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  1. Frank

    I have been a “forced” Registrant since 1998. In that time, the Los Angeles Police Dept. has NEVER visited me at my apartment. I have ALWAYS registered on time. However, this year, 2 months after my 2013 registration, I was visited at my apartment by THREE uniformed LAPD officers. They told me they were doing a regular “Compliance Check.”
    Why are they suddenly doing a “Compliance Check” at my apartment?! Is it lawful? What exactly IS a “Compliance Check?!” Does anyone have any thoughts on this. Thank You.

  2. Justice for ALL

    @Frank

    Compliance checks are the new “trend” that ‘Law’ Enforcements are using to show that they are doing something about this sex offender “Problem/Epidemic” that the media and politicians seem to convince/remind the public…..every ten seconds or so. If you are on paper (Probation or Parole) then you have to cooperate as it is most likely part of your terms. However, if you are DONE with all that so-called rehabilitation, then you absolutely DO NOT and SHOULD NOT cooperate at all!!!! I’m certain that you don’t have to be reminded, but DOCUMENT every encounter, with a camera (or iPhone camera if you have it) while they talk to you.

    NEVER give them permission to ENTER your residence….NEVER! Once you agree to let them in (I.E. May we come in ti confirm compliance?) you have given them free reign to search your place.

    NEVER exit your residence to answer their questions or LEAVE your home when they are present. Your most valuable protections are when you REMAIN INSIDE your residence. Once you leave, you are at their mercy.

    You are under NO OBLIGATION to answer any of their questions. PERIOD. Politely tell them to leave as they are on private property. If they continue to persist, simply tell them that this conversation is over and gently close your door. There are instances where some officers use aggressive tactics to get their way, such as hostility or lying (“If you don’t cooperate, it would be considered obstruction of justice”, etc). Make no mistake, there is NO LAW that forces you to consent to “Compliance Checks”

    If you get threats? All the more reason to have that video recorder on hand and recording before you even answer the door.

    These Compliance Checks are just a lame excuse to request more funding for law enforcement. Nothing more.

    • Joe

      What Justice said! This is not legal advice but nowhere does it say in PC 290 that there is any requirement for any interaction beyond the annual (quarterly / monthly) visit at the Police or Sheriff station. How much you are daring to “anger the beast” is a personal decision what possible repercussions you are willing to live with. Carpe diem!

      @Frank – I sense you are upset. Another way of looking at this, these visits started what – 5, 6, 7 years ago? Feel lucky you have escaped them until now. Again – what Justice said. This has also been discussed previously on this site in detail.

      Here is a question – anyone remember when exactly they started? And what is everyone’s experience? Plain Clothes Detectives / Uniforms / SWAT Team? Once a year? Twice? More?

      Sound off!

      • Bluewall

        I get plain clothing detectives with police backup.. About 4 times a year around 10pm to midnight…

    • Rob

      I guess I have been VERY lucky. I have been off parole for a year and a half, and I have NEVER had a “compliance check” by anyone. When I was ON parole, ONLY my PO would come by, twice a month, usually Saturday morning without warning. He looked around, opened nothing, and left. Since then I have not had any visits by anyone, THANKFULLY!! I would do what Janice and others say, either not even open the door, or step outside and close the door behind you. DON’T let them “see something” that may give them ANY reason to search.

    • nena

      so on this last statement my son went into the police station to register, he went 7 days prior, 1 day after because they said no one was available, they gave him a date after his date of compliance. He asked the clerk i know that is past the time frame. she said it was okay because it was documented. He recorded on his phone the information, not trusting anyone because of the trauma he endured in jail. He wasnt doing it privatly, he did this out in the loby. So on that day he went in, a man took him in the back and aksed him so, you are out of compliance, to make a long story short, he told him he was waiting for him a piece of ….. that he is working with the state as a caretaker for his grandmother who took ill. He was a pice of …. that needs to go out a get a reall f… job like a real man, he said he was under arrest for wiretaping, and was sent to jail.
      the code they placed was for fail to register and eavsdroping. How can he record on his phone without getting into trouble and I dont see this a legal. They are just belittling him, he does have some rights dont he? As well as they do not even understand why he took a plea deal, can you help explain.

      • For nena

        The recording was two person? The lobby clerk approved the recording? What state? Should be no problem then. If he can prove they gave him the date, then that should supersede the calendar since it is their process to execute and he was honorable about trying to comply by the law.

        • abolishtheregistry.com

          I’m not sure the party bit applies to phone. I have a recording device that looks like a USB pendrive. I’m in a1 party state so it’s allowed but not sure about phone conversations. It may also be that IF one believes that there may be a reason warranted, as in a crime, they may be able to record. Definitely need to know the state the son is in.

          There should be cameras somewhere in the vicinity of the station or IN the station that can place him there. If he had to sign in, that’s proof too. He’s gonna need a lawyer though.

      • The Truth 101

        Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe he was well within his right to record. He was doing so in a public building with a public official, and SCOTUS has ruled that public officials have no expectation of privacy while they are on duty and it is a 1st Amendment protected activity. There are countless videos on Youtube of the police and other public officials being recorded, including in California. Just search 1st amendment audits to see them. Whatever the statute is that they charged him under have a lawyer go over it with a fine tooth comb. Then, I would suggest discussing about suing them for false arrest.

        Lastly, and this goes for everyone, ALWAYS, film any encounter you have with the police. They most likely will not like it, but it is a protected activity. Also, live stream the recording to somewhere like Bambuser so the police can’t simly take your phone and delete the recording.

  3. Justice for ALL

    @Joe

    Not entirely certain when these started, but they appear to be random, once a year for me. Been on this cursed list since 2010 for possession charge due to a single file that was downloaded to my computer. I received a very low sentence due to the circumstances of it, but that didn’t stop the DA from slapping me with the ever life shattering label of SO.

    As for my experience, I’ve gotten visits from local(lol) police in uniforms. Since I’m still on paper (soon to be off thank god) I have to participate. Fortunately for me, the last couple have been simple’, “Any new tattoos, markings, etc” and then they are on their way.

    My FIRST check, however, was when i was barely 1 month OUT of jail! They barged in and literally ransacked the house as if I had committed a new crime, and they tried to convince my PO at the time to violate me for literally art drawings! Luckily for me, my PO actually read my file and decided I wasn’t an actual threat.

    By my calculations, my next “compliance check” should happen about 9 months from now……and I’ll be off paper by then.

  4. Painted Bird

    I get these intrusions about once or twice a year. Mainly they ask about phones and cars I own. One asked if my family knew about my offense. Didn’t they read the file? It was an in home offense. Family went through hell, first because of the offense and now from this never ending scrutiny, new restrictions and people driving by shouting at my house. Someone put up fliers in the neighborhood. A neighbor came up to my wife and accused her of harboring a “Westerfield.” Her children came up to me at Kmart one day and asked to be hugged. Unreal. I would never have done such a strange thing, even before the offense. I got out of there as quickly as I could. One time my daughter was there and the dogs were barking at the “officers”. She was afraid they might shoot one of our dogs. It did happen once in our community. A dog with a ball in its mouth came up to an officer serving a warrant an bang it was dead. I received favorable pre-trial psychological evaluations and positive scores on my group treatment program which lasted five years. My family has given me something to live for. To keep things in perspective, hurting them was the worst punishment. For that reason alone, I wish to never hurt anyone innocent again. The victim is grown up now and we run a business together. Let me live my life.

  5. Janice Bellucci

    Please know that if you are not on parole or probation, law enforcement can NOT enter your home without a search warrant. This protection comes from the 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and can only be waived by YOU. My legal advice is to close the front door of your home and speak to law enforcement outside your home even if you lock yourself out. Why? Because if you let them enter or even let them look inside, anything they see (almost) can be used to establish probable cause which in turn can lead to a full search of your home — without a search warrant. You have rights! Use them!!

    • Anonymous Nobody

      I appreciate your legal advice. However, I disagree about advising to go outside and talk with them. You do not have to talk with them for a compliance check — and doing so will only encourage more. You do not even have to acknowledge who you are, or even answer the door. If you choose to talk with them for whatever reason, you may, but you do not have to, and anything you say can and WILL be used against you.

    • td777

      Janice, because of the registry and the possible consequences on my wife and daughter(vigilantes, harassment, etc), I still live in my van rather than with them. Do you know what they are doing in terms of these so called “compliance checks” for those of us who are transient? I am in Anaheim and they insist on not only having transient on the form, but they want to know exactly where I park my van at night. I have not been bothered at all, but there have been suspicious vehicles that come around and stop near my van sometimes at night and sometimes early mornings.

      • father of a S O

        hello td777
        My son is going thru hell right now, he’s living a somewhat normal life he’s working and has someone in his life while on parole following his conditions, the problem is with his agent, she is one of the meanest agents he has to deal with, she’s on his back every little move he makes, can you tell me is there any way he can request another agent? Or anything he can do for his rights, thank you

        A father who loves his son

        • Harry

          You may want to talk with his lawyer about this. They may have tricks and contacts that might help. They go back to court with this issue. PO’s boss is really the court.

    • al

      Janice,
      Halloween night I was paid a visit….Downey police with the Probation dept.
      I was asked my name and to step outside….after asking me who was at home.
      The probation officer asked if I had my registration with me.
      I told her it was in my wallet….which was in my room.
      The cop and p.o. followed me into my room, I showed her my registration, saw pictures of my kids, asked if they were my kids. I told her they were.
      She informed me that I was in compliance.
      As they were leaving the probation officer told me that usually they pull everyone out and search the home.
      I just answered,”ok”.
      lacking knowledge in that matter.
      I had my monthly visit a couple of days later with my probation officer, and I told him what the lead probation officer had said.
      He said that they could carry on with what they wanted to do, which was a search and seizure…..did they even have a right to be in the house?
      Did I do wrong in letting them in?
      All in all, they were professional….and when is a search and seizure needed?
      Depends on the case? on the probation officer? I’ve been on probation for a year and a half.
      When I first met him, he hinted about going back to court and asking for a search and seizure warrant.
      But he never did….and never mentioned it again.

      • Paul

        Good evening,

        Obviously, I’m not Janice, nor am I an attorney. That said, the first question is, are you on “parole”, or on “probation”? All parolees are subject to search at any time, by any law enforcement officer. This includes the parolee, their home, their car, etc.

        Probationers differ slightly in that the judge can strike the search condition. If the judge did strike it, then a warrant is required. You should have received a list of your conditions. Review those, and see if the judge was kind enough to strike it. Otherwise, unfortunately, you’re stuck until your term is up.

        http://www.sog.unc.edu/sites/www.sog.unc.edu/files/Markham_FourthAmendmentProbationIssues.pdf

      • Questions

        Can someone please tell me is it mandatory that’s a parole officer call the parolee if they show up and the parolee is not where he supposed to be due to the fact he got called into work which really has nothing to do with the question but I’m extremely curious they do have a protocol and I need somebody to tell me is it protocol for the parole officer to call the parolee if they are not in the home at their curfew time no matter what the reason

    • Rick

      Hmm, 4th amendment rights, lol. In NYS the 2d circuit declared we had no 4th amendment rights as a basis for the registry. I’m sure if u challenge it there you will probably lose.

  6. USA

    Wow! I got an expungement back in 2002? I agree. I also received summary probation. In regards to the compliance check, they come to your home after 10pm? I simply wouldn’t answer the door! The more you say to them, the more they can say to you! This year, I’m not answering the door! There is no law requiring you to even answer the door! Furthermore, I would never let anyone into my home! Furthermore, unless on probation or ect, you don’t have to say a word? Can I help you? Nothing more! Have a good day!

    • Bluewall

      Its a big circus when they check up on me… Its like I’m a drug czar (is how one of my old neighbor’s described it) I remember one time when I was on probation there was a parole enforcement van and SWAT bread truck, two sheriff vehicles.. Needless to say the place I stayed in thought I was interconnected with the Mexican Mafia after that one.. Now that I’m off its been plain clothing cops and a few uniforms… it always been 10pm or after… I wonder what is up with that… except just recently I think they come by in the morning too.. I haven’t witness that cause I’m usually out and about pounding pavement for job interviews or cash jobs..

  7. FRegistryTerrorists

    The Registries are not legitimate and I don’t think anyone should ever give any indication that they are. Every second the Registries exist is unacceptable.

    I think every family that is listed on a Sex Offender Registry should have a wall or fence around their properties. If that is not possible, people should simply never answer their doors. Or answer the door just to tell them to get off of their property.

    I think the absolute worst thing that a Registered person can do is speak with law enforcement or any other employee of the criminal regimes. There is simply no need to do so. The norm that law enforcement across the U.S. should expect is that they are not welcome on anyone’s property and no one will speak with them. The Registries deserve complete disrespect.

    I used to love the U.S., respect our governments, and respect and support our law enforcement. The Registries completely destroyed that. I tried to not allow myself to hate them but I’m not going to play their Registries game.

    Remember, tell them that you have given all information you are forced to and beyond that you have no interest in EVER interacting with them for any reason. It’s not a big deal, they just need to take their stupidity elsewhere.

  8. fresno guy

    the Barry guy come over once a year. Usually it a hello and good bye no questions asked.

    One time a probation officer came along I told him im not on probation and he can leave.

  9. Ron

    To Janice Bellucci or any CA Attorney on here, Q: I have a 6″ fence around my yard. Police cannot get to my door. I have a camera on my gate and have sometimes responded when there is a large number of officers at my front gate. Sometimes from a federal task force. Always in full uniform and marked vehicles. I am a low level SO with over 10 years off probation. If I leave my front house door, do I have the same protections as long as I stay behind my locked front gate? (It’s about 10 feet from my front door to fence gate). Or should I just never open my house door?

    • FRegistryTerrorists

      Ron:

      Good job being smart enough to protect yourself and your family (if you live with any or even if they just visit).

      As I said above, I think the norm is the U.S. should become that no government employees are ever able to successfully harass any Registered family at their home.

      If these big governments and their terrorist supporters were not so stupid, they could probably create Registries that could do some good. I’m not convinced that they actually care if their Registries work or not though. I think the main point for most of them is that it simply makes them feel good to harass and control people.

      Whatever. The Registries could possibly be useful if the big governments:

      1. Created a Registry for all people who have been convicted of any crime.

      2. Gathered whatever information was needed for that Registry completely on their own.

      3. Required absolutely nothing of any family that was listed on the Registry (i.e. they could not be arrested for any BS).

      Until that happens, I will follow all laws but I am going to ensure that the Registries are worthless and that I retaliate for them constantly. I will be around children all the time simply because the Registries exist.

    • Janice Bellucci

      As long as you’re not on parole or probation, law enforcement can not enter your property unless they have a search warrant (or it’s a hot pursuit). You are not obligated to answer the door or to open your fence/gate. And if you do, you are allowing law enforcement to look around. If they see anything “interesting” they could say they have probable cause for a full search of your property and/or home. It’s not worth it! You are protected by the 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution from unreasonable searches. Know your rights and practice them!

      • Anonymous Nobody

        Because his gate is locked, no one is allowed to enter without permission — or a warrant or hot pursuit, of course. However, just to clarify, for others without a locked gate or other bar to entry (such as a sign clearly posted and barring entry as trespassing), anyone, including the police, may enter to go up to your door and knock or ring the bell. By law that is considered to be implied public access unless otherwise posted or blocked. But the implied public access is solely to the door, not, say, to walk around the house and look things over.

  10. Steve

    I’m curious to know which law enforcement agencies are doing this? In my close to twenty years on this bs nobody has ever come to my house.

    • Rob

      Steve –
      Where do you live? I’d be interested to know which city/area? Thanks!

      • Steve

        Rob, let’s just say LAPD seems like they have a lot more to deal with then this garbage. Maybe I have been going to the same place for so long and they recognize I’m not a threat to anyone they leave me alone. Where I go in the Valley they are actually very nice and have I never been treated poorly.

        • Rob

          Thanks Steve, I too live in the valley, and I hope never to see them at my door! Pretty much the same experiences as you…..

        • Steve_

          I live in San Joaquin County and the compliance checks here have been once per year, usually within 30 days of annual registration. What was different this year was they sent 4 Sherriff’s officers in 3 patrol cars. When I answered the door the officers were all standing in what appeared to be assault formation to cover the door. For me this is pretty scary since any number of things could cause them to draw a weapon on me. Like carry a cell phone to the door. The officer I spoke with required me to sign off on a compliance check document. After I closed the door the sheriff’s all stayed for another 45 minutes just hanging out. I have been off probation now for 13 years, and have been fortunate to find a great job, have my family back etc.

          • The Truth 101

            If you are not on parole or probation I wouldn’t even answer the door, and if you choose to interact with the police always record them.

          • Paul

            Remember, there is no law governing compliance checks and, thus, no law requiring you sign anything. You’re off probation, so don’t even bother answering the door. If you do, absolutely do NOT sign squat! Kindly tell them to pound sand, and close the door.

            The more we comply with their artificial garbage, the more they’re going to push for more and more.

          • Lake County

            First, I would not have signed anything. Since you are not on probation/parole, you are not required to. Did you get a copy of what you signed? Second, I would have filmed them the entire time they were there. Cops don’t like being filmed, so I doubt they would have stayed there as long. Better yet, just don’t answer your door. You are not required to comply with compliance checks!

      • C

        I live in the Valley as well and have been doing the registry thing since 1994. I have had two home visits that I know of. Once in 1998 when I was at work and my girlfriend told me they came by. The second time was last year and I happened to come home from an errand as they were leaving. They just asked my name and said “See ya next year.” I’m not sure they even actually stopped walking as we passed each other in the driveway.
        Hopefully their visits will remain short, sweet and infrequent. Indeed, I think LAPD has bigger fish to fry and the people doing registry compliance checks appear to be on light duty assignments.

  11. Painted Bird

    San Diego Sheriffs come to my door. My wife or daughter usually answers the door and then says it’s for me. Dogs usually bark so ferociosly that if I did let the cops in the dogs would tear them apart. Animals know a threat and therefore I have neverlet these intruders in. There has probably been several times the dogs were outside, and they did not dare come to the door. We can learn a lot from animals. They forgive you and protect you and only judge you by your immediate actions not by some societal bigotry. Who is more superior? Who is more Christian?

  12. USA

    Ron, I would never come to the gate! Never! Simply ignore them. How do they even know your home!

    • Ron

      I suppose I’ll stop responding to my locked gate. It’s just tempting to go outside just to get rid of them. I’ve had 8 or 9 Law Enforcement from multiple agency’s show up in uniform all at once for these compliance checks. Telling me it’s part of a federal mandated check. I’m lucky to have a secure home. I am also in an area that has a lot of other RSO’s, so there is comfort in numbers. Although my life completely sucks since they added me to the public list in 2010. (After 9 years of no one knowing about my past mistake).

  13. Larry

    I simply do not answer the door. I would never talk to “them” because they aggressively try to get you to give up your rights; all this while wearing an American flag on their sleeve. It has not felt like they are defenders of freedom for a lot of years now. I’m sure one day they will come up on me as I am coming or going, and when that happens I will ask if they have been sent to my residence to investigate a crime, or if they were sent to my residence to arrest me, and I know they will answer “no” to both questions because I do not break any laws. I will then inform them that I do not wish to have a dialog. When they ask why (and you know they will ask why) I will tell them that I do not wish to speak with them because I don’t have to; simple. I’m sure they will be frothing at the bit and tearing their sack cloth, lying and trying to intimidate me. I have resolved to stand my ground. If they arrest me it will be for total BS, so then I will just hire Janice or someone she recommends to give them hell and set them straight. I have not answered for the last three times they have come over. I saw one of the terrorists driving down the road in his cop car one day; he looked so frustrated when he saw me that I thought he would burst out in tears! I just laughed as I rode my Harley down the road. That was a good day, indeed!

    • FRegistryTerrorists

      Your message is very inspiring, Larry. Good for you. I am happy that you are so strong and solid.

      The Registries are nothing but tools for harassment. Every family listed on the Registries needs to show that they will not tolerate them.

  14. One Day at a Time

    In the 5+ years I have been a registrant, LE only came to my house once, about a month ago. The guy (just one in uniform) was in and out in less than 20 seconds and was very polite and shook my hand. Luckily the LE in my town realize that I am a very low risk.

  15. DavidLM

    I have only had two compliance checks two times and was outside both times in the yard since 2002 and the state police were very polite but the local sherrif was very rude and aggressive. I would never let them in to search me based on the aggressive manor I was treated by the sherrif. Both times they asked for ID but the unprofessional visit that was aggressive made me think I wouldn’t trust or be safe out of eye sight of neighbors eyes. Home compliance checks really esculate neighbors fears and I started experiencing lots of harrasment from a few neighbors that almost escalated to violence. A few neighbors decided they needed to try to punish me and I absolutley told them I’m not hurting anyone and just trying to live my life in peace! One neighbor told me he was armed and would protect his family and tried throwing me out of my own home by filing in court. He lost! I’ve learned saying I have a legal right to live hear and you can’t do anything about it except live in daily fear or leave me alone and be happy as I have no desire to have any issues with law enforcement or neighbors but I will not be a bullies victim! Home compliance checks only esculate unstable neighbors that are near becoming a far worse criminal than my high misdomeanor offense when so many neighbors were finally tolerating me in the community and even becoming friendly. All you need is one neighbor to start yelling fire and other sheeple will follow.

    I have since put a camera up near the door with a sign stating you are being recorded so I have proof of any unprofessional activity or threats made to me or my family and am forced to defend myself or family from mentally unstable violent neighbors.

  16. http404

    Back around 1999 in Orange County, I had two plainclothes sheriff’s detectives from S.O.N.A.R. show up at my office for a “compliance check.” At my place of business. I had been off parole several years by then. Fortunately we had a conference room with a door and I quickly ushered them in and shut the door behind us. Coworkers didn’t know about my past… irrelevant to my line of work and never asked / never told. At the conclusion, I told them my coworkers didn’t know and they suggested If asked I should just tell them it was a follow-up to a police report I filed or something. I had a friend who had recently become an LAPD officer around that time and I told the coworkers they were just conducting a background check for him because he applied at OCSD.

    Never had a knock at my front door of the house until around 2010 when they did a city-wide “sex offender sweep.” They knocked on my door at 7:00 a.m. on a Saturday. There was a new Offender Registrations Officer for the city and she came out with a clipboard, accompanied by a uniformed officer who looked around like he was rather bored and couldn’t be bothered with this waste of his time. I stepped out front and shut the door to talk with them. They asked questions about who else lived in the home, information which I volunteered. They were there for about five minutes and were on their way.

    The next time I was visited was last year, shortly before Halloween. There was a uniformed city PD officer accompanied by two sheriff’s deputies who were wearing their armor vests. Clearly they were going with the intimidation look. The city PD officer advised me it was a compliance check, but also handed me a copy of the city’s new ordinance that made a number of things all other citizens do, unlawful for a sex offender to do, on October 31st.

  17. B

    Let’s not forget about the real purpose of compliance checks: overtime.

    • FRegistryTerrorists

      Absolutely. The Registries are one giant jobs program. You will never, ever catch anyone in law enforcement saying that perhaps they shouldn’t be spending so much money. They will never say that they don’t need more people. They all think big government should always be bigger.

      One way that we can control these criminal regimes is to take away their money. I don’t fight against the Registries all that much – there is far too much stupidity supporting it to overcome. But I do a lot of work to keep government broke. When law enforcement has to worry about just being able to answer 911 calls, they tend to stop wasting so much on Registry stupidity.

    • Anonymous Nobody

      This is one of the reasons I gave previously in other threads to warn about going to this tier system and ratings for each and every individual registrant. That will only grossly multiply the number of people whose employment is dependent on SOR, and form a permanent and big lobby for ever more SOR. Tiers are just more details, and the more details you add, the more people whose will be dependent on SOR. At least nix the ratings, just make it time from date of conviction or date of offense, a preset time for each offense, such as 3 years for indecent exposure, and 10 years for aggravated rape. But better yet, revert to the tier system we used to have — probation! That set a time frame for probation, after which you could get 1203.4 relief that would absolve you of any further duty to register. We already had a tiered system — use it!

  18. Anonymous Nobody

    I note, while the currently enjoined Prop. 35 requirement for registrants to provide all e-mail monikers would be actual monitoring, until now 290 has never suggested that registrants are to be monitored or surveilled. That surveillance term came up in a court ruling years ago, and has been quoted and regurgitated without any thought or consideration — or challenge — ever since. In fact, 290 does NOT provide for surveillance. It merely provides for identifying registrants and knowing where to find them IF they are suspected in a crime.

    As such, 290 does not provide for or even condone compliance checks. It doesn’t say anything about them at all.

    It is just as unconstitutional for the police to surveil a registrant without any probable cause or any crime as it is to surveil anyone else. 290 has never spoken of surveillance.

    This is a point that should be pushed and pushed hard. This idea that registrants are open to surveillance is completely false — until this Prop 35 statute now calls for it. This idea in Prop 35 that a registrant can be subjected to this surveillance is just as unconstitutional as applied to a registrant as it is for anyone else. It also is a grave danger to everyone, as this is how such widespread surveillance (and spying) of an entire citizenry gets started. People who support this surveillance have no understanding how it will be used against THEM.

    • Anonymous Nobody

      BTW, I correct myself, I forgot that 290 now does require actual surveillance of some people, those on certain felony charges who are required to wear an ankle electronic monitoring bracelet. The addition of that actually was the first time 290 ever mentioned surveillance, but for those minority of registrants only. It says nothing of surveillance of any other registrant, and as I said, does not even say anything about condoning surveillance of them.

  19. watching

    http://blog.al.com/east-alabama/2013/09/aclu_files_suit_against_etowah.html

    I think it time california start doing this GADSDEN, Alabama — The American Civil Liberties Union has filed a lawsuit against Etowah County Sheriff Todd Entrekin and two officers in the department over what they say are “unannounced, random, and suspicionless” searches of the home of a registered sex offender.

  20. David Kennerly

    Some additional points regarding Interpol: We should consider that our own government is sharing information about us to foreign governments, some of which have even fewer protections for individual rights than our own, although it is questionable how many of these still exist in the U.S.

    In effect, we are being ‘set-up’ by our own government to be treated by a foreign government as they choose. In other words, even if they do decide to let us in we will now know that our host country has a complete dossier on our “crimes”. Consider also that there countries which are known to set up tourists for extortion, such as Cambodia and you begin to get an idea how all of this might (will) play out. Screwed by our own government.

    • td777

      Exactly! My church is started an education and outreach non-profit whose primary purpose is to help people in Cambodia. I’ve been asked to be more involved in this, but am not about to consider ever going there. Every adult and the older kids at my church all know my case and none of them give it a second thought.

      Unfortunately, this isn’t the only thing I’ve been limited by because of having to register. Because of all the hassles involving interstate travel as well, I have repeatedly had to turn down efforts from my pastor to get me to go to different conferences. Yet another example of how registration is punishment.

      • David Kennerly

        Until we, as a community, are willing to act in concert and take actions which include acts of civil disobedience, I don’t see that we have a future. We cannot assume that we will attain justice without personal sacrifice or by simply attracting sympathetic support, alone. No community has ever done so.

        • Joe

          Agree. Posting on this site is fun and, to some degree, therapeutic. But preaching to the choir is only so effective.

          Keeping in mind that this organization already is blessed with an amazing leader and organizer, what do you have in mind? Specifics, please.

          • David Kennerly

            Failure to register, en masse, would be our wet dream. Sorry to sound glib, but that is the level of commitment that would produce results. Achieving the critical mass necessary is, of course, the hurdle. The fewer the number participating, the greater will be the suffering of those few who do. I recognize this, of course.

            And by en masse, it needs to be communicated to the media and the public loudly beforehand, not just: “I’m just not going to go in and re-register this year”. One way to do this might be to congregate in D.C. for a number of days, the number of which would constitute a “failure to register” or notify, depending on the participants’ home jurisdictions and then clearly communicate that fact. In other words, signs and shouting to that effect “arrest me! I am violating the terms of sex offender registration”!

            A (massive as possible) sit-in at high visibility governmental U.S. Congress, Supreme Court would be progress. Unauthorized gathering and failure to disperse would be necessary. Blocking traffic resulting in arrests will help.

            Assemblage outside of courtrooms during proceedings against Registrants and handing out jury nullification instructions to those entering will garner media coverage. Use bullhorns. This is all very verboten outside of courtrooms and will get us arrested. Handcuff ourselves to railings, that sort of thing. Demand a police response. Enter the courtrooms themselves during such a criminal proceeding and disrupt.

            Taking that further, target court proceedings in which defendants are children, themselves.

            In places which have been declared to be off-limits to registered sex offenders, whether libraries, parks or even schools, hold demonstrations and identify yourselves clearly as registered sex offenders.

            Of course, we need the media there before, during and afterwards. Even if they don’t, we’ve got YouTube.

            Be willing to get arrested. Just accept it and trust that it will be worth it. Come to see getting arrested as a desired outcome, not an impediment. That’s the only way that the civil rights movement made progress. You have to clearly communicate that there will be a cost to ‘business as usual’. And then just imagine ways in which you can cost the polticians, the government and the American people as much as possible.

            Because without that level of commitment, nothing will get significantly better. That’s guaranteed.

          • David Kennerly

            Another idea: Using a photograph of some ancient Greek urn depicting pederasty, an urn which may well be sitting in The British Museum, The Louvre or The Metropolitan Museum of Art, transfer them on to t-shirts so that all of your demonstrators are wearing them. Underneath the image write: “Child Pornography”. Because, under contemporary statutes and interpretation, that’s what it is, regardless of the fact that it had previously been legal for hundreds or even thousands of years. Demand to be arrested for child pornography!

            Extreme? Yes, of course. But that’s what it’s going to take. That level of audacity and bravery and commitment.

          • David Kennerly

            Join a demonstration already in progress! Say a demonstration to raise penalties for sex crimes or to make the Registry more draconian. I don’t recommend interacting with them; that’s pointless. Simply be there with your own signs and flyers and bullhorns. You’re there for the media and the passersby, not the brain-dead.

            • FRegistryTerrorists

              I really appreciate the level of commitment and disrespect against the Registries that is shown by many people here. I think I am right up there at the top with most people however – I am not going to allow myself to be arrested.

              I think the scumbags who support the Registries would be just very happy that a Registrant was arrested for anything, ESPECIALLY the BS Failure to Register. I think they would be quite happy to put a Registrant in jail for a decade and forget about him/her. I can certainly see it happening. Arresting us is their main weapon so I’m personally not going to allow it to be effective.

              Additionally, I’ve committed to myself that every bit of cost/inconvenience/whatever that the Registries, etc. inflict upon me or my family, I am going to return the same twelve fold. So for example, if they cost me $1,000, I have to figure out how to cost them $12,000. It was not easy at all in the beginning but after years of work, I am in a position to do it fairly well today. Again however, I’m not accepting getting arrested. If I get arrested, really bad things are going to happen. I’ve promised myself and I keep promises. It will occur.

              I think one of the key things that Registered people should do is never, ever give the impression that the Registries are acceptable. For example, do not allow “compliance checks”. Tell the people that they are working for criminal regimes and to stay away from you.

              I also think that Registered people should continually ensure that the Registries are ineffective. Registered people should NOT commit sex crimes but they should always be in situations where the Registries would never prevent it. I’ve found that to be easy. Registered people should continually state that they are doing that and explain how.

              I personally spend a lot of time around children. I do it because that is what normal people do but I also go out of my way to do it more and make it a special goal, simply because the Registries exist. I have many relationships with people and families that have no idea that I am Registered. My crime didn’t even involve children or touching anyone, but I always ensure that I am in situations where I could groom children all day and all night. Much of it is just due to living a normal life. But I also do it because I want to continually remind myself that the Registries are in fact useless and to see how easy it is to nullify them.

              Another key thing that I think Registered people should do is run a constant propaganda campaign. The criminal regimes do it, Registered people should do it in opposition. Never use the phrase “sex offender” to describe a Registered person. Always be consistent in the terms used against the criminal regimes. Always be consistent in the message.

              I have a fairly decent number of people following the actions I’ve mentioned.

              But the interesting thing about all that is I really do feel that the majority of people who support the Registries are idiots and fairly bad people. I don’t think they really care that the Registries don’t work or even that they are counterproductive. The people are stupid. I think they are just happy harassing people and with the joy it brings to their little lives. There are few, if any, smart, informed people who support the Registries.

              • David Kennerly

                I agree completely with everything you said. But we do need a critical mass of activists – Registrants or their supporters – that do not fear arrest. That you are unwilling to play that role I have no problem with. Clearly, you have a sense of how you can most effectively counter this oppression. Please keep it up!

              • David Kennerly

                Follow-on to last comment:

                It is going to take many types of people with a wide range of abilities and inclinations to effectively counter this evil juggernaut.

          • FRegistryTerrorists

            We need to be posting comments on all media articles. Every one of them that accepts comments should be overwhelmed by Registered citizens and good Americans.

            • Tired of hiding

              I totally agree with this tactic. It is our RIGHT to have freedom of speech and to have the ability to exercise that right so we should take advantage of it.

              They expect us to hide in the shadows and be ashamed of this label they have forced us to wear. They are not helping anyone be safer by lumping us into the same category as personals who actually do present a danger to others (those people should either be in prison OR actually monitored – not simply registered – which does nothing).

              The problem is that the powers that be do NOT want the registry to be effective! They want the “boogy man” effect to remain in place – why you ask…because it creates FEAR in the people and with that primal fear for their children, they can be manipulated on an emotional rather than logical and intellectual bases.

              So until we all come out of the closet (so to speak) and remove the “boogy man” effect they will continue to pass more laws which make them look like they are actually doing something – AT OUR EXPENSE!

              Stand Up And Say “I am made as hell and I am not going to take it anymore”!

              Are you with me?

            • David Kennerly

              I absolutely agree just please know that it is not enough. We need to expand our presence in both the virtual and physical worlds. That will mean physically showing up at events and getting in faces.

              • Joe

                Quite a few brave souls have been stepping up recently and speaking out in person, in public, and on video at assorted City Council hearings, lobbying completely open in the State Capitol for assorted bills, etc. And they live to tell about it.

                Assuming you were one of them – thank you for your effort and courage. Otherwise – ???

              • David Kennerly

                Not sure why I can’t find “reply” button next to Joe’s last comment.

                I guess you’re looking at me with rather jaded eyes assuming that I’m just a big mouth who does nothing. Fair enough. But I have been active (with time out for prison) for over thirty five years. I organized the demonstration at Coalinga State Hospital some ears back and I have put literally thousands of hours of effort into this struggle. I collaborated with Alex Marbury some years ago with RSOL (before he died) but have not been active with its activities or demonstrations since. I have some significant disagreements with the organization while wishing it all the best and recognizing its very important contributions. I believe that Janice and others in RSOL do not welcome my participation because of my leadership with in another organization. Others, such as Marshall Burns, are similarly supportive of RSOL but now contributing in his own way.

                But if you want to stage an act of civil disobedience, I’ll be there, whether in California or Washington D.C. And we need to form a core of such people who are willing to assume some risk.

  21. Bluewall

    I got ambushed this morning… I got up (around 3am) went to my car to get going for a a quick cash job.. and there was a cop car parked along my car.. (parking along the street, parallel) The cop saw me and turned on his side light.. He asked if this is my vehicle? I said yes and hit the car remote to start it to prove a point its mine.. I asked him what’s this about.. Then he asked me another question “Where you going at this time of the morning?” Told him just going.. Then he asked for my licenses and told me to lean on my car and went back in his car to fiddle with his computer.. then got out walked to my car license plate and said “Ok, looks like your vehicle’s plate is on record and your current on your sex registration”.. gave me my licenses and just took off… WTF happened???

    • steve

      I think it would be good information to know what agencies are being overly aggressive in checking up on people.

    • td777

      You are free to do whatever you want at 3am, he had no reasonable cause to stop you and run your license. This is harassment.

      What city was this?

  22. greg scott

    if you are not on parole or probation,, the law or gov has no right to enter your home or car. only if you let them , pass them a lawyers card say excuse me but my lawyer said to call the firm for any questions. NO warrent no entre, especially if you have nothing to hide. be strong be smart…. thank you. my name is scott and I was a rapest once when I was 22 now I am 52, and on illeagal parole and no one to help me except, me…tell your family members to vote in real laws.

  23. GRANDFATHERED IN

    Hi: Long time reader first time poster here.
    I accepted a plea bargain from a judge in 1989. Had I known they were going to put me on lifetime parole I might have taken longer than 2 weeks to decide my fate. That being said,let me make something clear. In this society if you are not wealthy enough to purchase justice you are presumed GUILTY at your arrest. My rights were obliterated from the gate go. I sat in Orange County IRC, a max security facility, for 8 months and my lawyer still couldn’t even get discovery. The prosecutor had it out for me as this was during the McMartin preschool trial. Needless to say after chilling in there for 8 mos. and seeing poor McMartin still there after 3 yrs. fighting his beef getting nowhere, his family went broke defending him,and there was no light at the end of his tunnel. At the schedualing of my trial my nickel lawyer asked the judge what he would give me, a first time offender, clean record etc., if I pleaded guilty. I recieved the minimum sentence possible for what the DA was accusing me of. The prosecutor wouldn’t even sign the paper she was so angry.
    How much justice can you afford? If you exercise your right to remain silent it is considered an admission of guilt.
    I have lived in the same place for 20 years. I have never lied to the authorities during my yearly update. And yet three years ago they started their little compliance game with a vengence. It used to be a deputy would drive out once in a while see that I’m here and drive off. No problem.
    Three years ago the man in charge of my registration had some questions for me which he had a form to write my answers on. Such as my marital status, sexual preferences, religeous beliefs so forth and so on. Then the next year the CORPORAL came out twice to check on me. Asking me who else was here and if he could come in and look.
    I had told the registrar that I was single and lived alone. But they decided that I must be lying because I have been out of jail for such a long time and have not even gotten a ticket. I must be breaking the law somehow right? After all I’m just a dirty filthy sex offender who must be punished for the rest of his disgusting life.
    Sadly these sentiments are prevalent in this society thanks to the media glorifying every account of a teacher molesting children or a good one is the San Pedro Groper. Police, teachers, coaches, and people from all walks of life are becoming entrapped in these horrible, horrible laws. When I accepted a plea bargain, did my time, went to the psych, completed my parole and and did everything I agreed to, There was no such thing as Megan’s Law. When Megan’s Law was passed by the people of this state I was resentenced without due process. So I know that registrants don’t have any rights. As soon as I tell the deputy I want to see a search warrant before you come in my house he is going to write on my jacket that I was uncooperative. Then every deputy I come in contact with from then on is going to have it out for me. This year the deputy came out at 11:00pm at night. First thing he asked is who was inside. Heloooooo I told you people I live alone!! But I didn’t say that; I politely allowed him to walk through my cave which I leave pretty messy so they won’t have the urge to trash my place. (Ha, Ha screw you I already trashed it.) He left and his polite parting words were you should really clean the place up so you can have visitors. When I realized what they were doing with these compliance checks the first thing I did was make sure there was nothing in my house which could be considered a felony. I decided to beat them at their own game. Show them I have nothing to hide be polite and overly accomodating. Why poke the bear? Or why go all in with a pair of deuces when you can see they have the nuts.
    The mindset of law enforcement is that you can’t be trusted and you must be breaking the law. If I don’t cooperate with them they will automatically think I must be hiding something and from then on there will be hell to pay. I have nothing to hide, I told the regitrar he could send the captain over for all I care.
    My last thought is this: Because of the Lamestream Media the public has been beaten into a frenzy which brings about all these new laws and regulations and people are so ignorant that they don’t realize these laws are being written to entrap and ruin their own children and grandchildren whom they are trying to protect. For this is true and guaranteed that not one registered sex offender, no not one, has a mother who thought her child would grow up to be a registered sex offender.
    Thank you for your time.

  24. Wary

    Dear Grandfathered in:

    I agree with all you said but with one caveat: If you are alone and there are two law enforcement officers and you allow them in to “search”, who is going to watch the other officer in the back room while you are talking to the one in the front room. Please don’t assume they are above “planting evidence”. If they think it is okay to lie to a registrant do you think they would have a problem planting something on this societal nuisance? The other thing I haven’t seen in the other posts is that everyone should inform whoever is staying with them not to answer the door to anyone no matter who it is (at least without looking out the window or peephole to see who it is. Case in point: I have a forgetful roommate who is prone to answering the door even when I ask him not to. I have had to tape a 3×5 card to the door asking not to answer it. I would think it a good idea for everyone else in our situation to do the same. I also have a video camera posted on top of my front door and that has saved me from a lot of nonsense. You can purchase dummy cameras at harbor freight for under twenty dollars (they don’t know if it’s working or not). Also, if you do decide to have your camera live, have a outside feed to an offsite website such as Justin TV or such. They wouldn’t like it if they are being broadcast live. They can take your camera phone away from you for videoing them, but would probably hesitate to do it before an audience. Also, if the video is off-site, it is preserved in the event that they manage to get in and confiscate your security video player. Also, if you elect to use outside cameras on your domicile, make damn sure they are pointed downward and covering your property only. In CA it is illegal to film over your fence into your neighbors property (and certainly not smart to do so in our situation). I chose to learn from the negative way society is treating me and be proactive about it and protect myself.

    • GRANDFATHERED IN

      Dear Wary:
      Thank you for replying to my post.
      I only wish I could afford even WiFi much less surveillence equipment. Unfortunately I’m quite poor just managing to keep my rent paid and lights on thanks to supportive parents. I do what I can for them in exchange but I’m always thankful to God for them. The only defense I have is to not give the police any reason to do me. If they plant something that’s the way it goes. Besides, what can they do? plant a molested child in my house?, or drop some child porno on the premises? They have more than 20 years of yearly paperwork on me without one incident against me. When the corporal came over last year I walked out to greet him and noticed he had my info up on his computer. After every entry on the right side of the screen, in big bold letters it said…”DO NOT SEARCH BASED ON THIS INFORMATION”. So I know all too well that the Devil has to be invited in. When he came in, my house was so messy he couldn’t even see the things I had that he could have arrested me for. Things I have since gotten rid of such as nunchuks etc. Sure, I know he was looking for something to arrest me for, that’s his job. That’s how he gets his jollys. I walked him out back and all the way around the immediate yard (I live on 5 acres in the desert with a small cabin as my habitat). When we got back to his 4×4 I was out of breath because he’s a big guy with a long stride. He looked at me and said “You look nervous!! What are you trying to hide??” I told him “I’m not trying to hide anything I’m just out of breath”. “We don’t have to go back in the house again do we?” To which he smiled and said “Aww, Why not?” To which I replied, “Because the place is a mess and I really don’t like having company.” Then he said “Aww come on.” He accepted that, got my signature on his paperwork and left. That was his second surprise visit last year. I had already removed anything questionable such as meds my mom gave me for my back etc. after his first surprise visit. I know the Devil has to be invited in but if he comes in and can’t find a sin to accuse me of then I have beaten him. I also know too well from experience that if someone in law enforcement gets an erection for you there’s nothing you can do. They’re going to screw you somehow, someway. The State has already destroyed any chance for me to get a regular job or have any kind of social life. Incidentally, At the time of his second visit I had a plugged toilet line and I had just fixed it. I had left a “Thunder Bucket” in the bathroom which I had not emptied yet. When I opened the BR door I told him I was having plumbing problems. The smell overwhelmed him and he said “WHHHEW” I laughed inside myself. But they write down everything they can on their notes. The deputy that came out in March said he thought I didn’t have any water service. I told him I had water, that’s when he said I should clean the place up. Ha Ha. I’m not in jail he can’t tell me to clean my cell. So I exercise what few rights I can find in a passive aggressive manner. Such as not shaving, not cutting my hair, going barefoot and basicaly living on the edge of civilization. Even though I invited the devil into my house, I was in control not him. Because if I am kind, polite and respectful towards him he can’t defend himself against it. That’s not what he’s trained for and it throws him for a loop. Perhaps that’s why they call me “one of the good ones” because I treat them with respect whether they deserve it or not. And if they don’t deserve it who goes away feeling guilty? Not me. As soon as a law enforcement officer sees I am going to treat him with respect no matter how he is towards me something clicks inside of him and he feels like a heel and returns my politeness and respect. I spent 8 mos in IRC HARD TIME, and 1 yr in state prison system. Without any adverse situations with deputys or CDC. It works to show them kindness, respect and consideration. That’s what they don’t understand and have no defense against. And I learned a long time ago not to say anything more than you have to because anything you say will be used against you. So be kind polite and respectful without volunteering anything. Yes sir, No sir, and Thank you sir. It really works. Decency towards them is what they don’t expect. Remember, that even though a person has a uniform on and is enforcing deplorable unjust laws he is still a human being.
      Yeshua the Christ said concerning sex offenses this..”Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone.” So by my reckoning this state must be overflowing with Saints. There sure are a lot of people casting stones.
      Thank You for your time.

  25. Bruce F.

    Hello Folks, I have some breaking news for California resident RSO’s…Me Included; A friend & witness that Knows My Case went deer hunting Bow & Rifle both seasons & he just got back yesterday He called Me & told me If I have any Ideas about “Being Mobile” or staying at campgrounds think again! I said why? & He said that the sheriffs & rangers have enlisted the help of free range Homeless to stay in these “Camp Grounds & to call in ANYBODY & Everybody’s lic# and that they get confirmation almost instantly over the phone if You are a RSO! Then My Friend said that these guy’s go around to all the non “Confirmed” “Campers/ hunters” & Promptly Notify All the others of Who is there which causes a very tense Problem! “Hunting Accidents Anyone”? not yet; but it is heavily over heard loud anonymous talk by a campfire by “Said “Identified Camping RSO’s Site / Camp”! IDK what to do How can This Be addressed in a legal fashion it is coming through undercover Informant from the above stated agencies was what My Friend said. He had His 6 Yr old daughter with him and said Every camp ground is being watched for homeless RSO’s & He was immediately approached by Someone warning him about this issue!This is divide & conquer tactic their homeless so you can stay here if You watch the camp grounds for us! So The Campo’s Begin to tell the Brown Shirts to save themselves by creating another Issue where there was not one! Just like Germany did! This is a serious issue I was approached by a sheriff/ ranger IDK about 8 months or more back when I went with My dog for a drive up by the lake & stopped @ a camp ground restroom I came out & got in My truck & he pulled up behind me & about 2 minutes later got out & said in a disgusted tone “We all Know”,,,” ARE YOU CAMPIN’DOWN HERE TOO NOW”? I said “No” I was just out walking My Dog & asked a guy how the fishing has been! and He stayed Until I left! No BS Story this is a “NEW UP COMING THING” ! Who need’s allot of cops when they have allot of homeless to do their jobs if this is not vigilante backed terrorism IDK what is. Just like the range wars over cattle “Marshals Deputized Outlaws to wreak havoc back then seems not much has changed in some ways. Good luck people We All are going to need it. Another friend that knows Me & My case as well warned me that the cops had been for a week parked on his street asking people to see their ID’s if they were out dated or did not live @ the address on it they were arrested for? “Being Homeless”! Yet We give illegal aliens a free pass with that it’s Discriminational Hypocrisy.IMO

  26. It is what it is

    First time posting.

    I want to thank Janice for the advice she gave here. I had a compliance check this week and the person doing it wanted to enter my residence.

    This is something that has never happened in the 12+ years since being off probation.

    Had I not read this thread, I likely would have not known my rights and let them enter.

    Since I had read this, I was prepared.

    When the person asked to come in, I politely said I was not on probation and in the 12+ years since being off probation nobody has ever entered my home for a compliance check.

    Some people here are saying that just agitates them and puts you on their “troublesome” list.

    That may be true, in some cases.

    But it also may be true that they see you are someone who knows your rights and someone who is not afraid to exercise them and that intimidates THEM.

    Maybe they think, “I’m not going to mess with this one, they seem to be smart and know the law”.

    But really, what THEY think is irrelevant.

    What I think is what matters, and I feel empowered.

    I feel empowered that I actually still have some rights in my own home and that I stood up for my rights and I won.

    The person didn’t enter.

    They couldn’t enter.

    I feel like my home is still a place I can have some dignity and some rights as a citizen of this country despite a political agenda trying to take it all away.

    We must stand up for ourselves.

    It may be small, but I feel so much better for actually being able to say NO to something THEY want to do, and THEY had to obey ME.

    It’s a very small start, not a finish.

    Thanks to Janice and everyone.

  27. tattooarms

    Cops came to my house Friday morning looking for me for a compliance check. Been off parole for 3 years always register on time even updated when I bought my wife a new car. I was at work when they came. They said for me to call the police station when I got home. When I called they asked if I got a letter. I said no then I was put on hold. Then he comes back and tells me if I want to find out what it’s about to call a detective Monday through Thursday. WTF? Been paranoid all weekend. So has my wife since I am the sole provider in the house. If I go to prison it’s over for her and everything we own is gone. But I haven’t done anything wrong. Just freaked. The neighbor next door told me the police blocked the street and surrounded my house. How humiliating! And it took so long to finally find a place to live where I don’t get embarrassed by the neighbors… was homeless for over a year because either parole forced me to move or the police did. Here we go again.

    • Rob

      May I ask where you live? I have never had a compliance check, thankfully, and would not do anything to cooperate since I am not on parole or probation.

    • C

      Man, that sucks – what a nightmare. Best of luck and I hope you and your wife are able to enjoy the holidays!

  28. tattooarms

    Azusa

  29. Ron

    I have a secure fence around my property and I love it. But the Sheriff does not like it as he cannot get to my front door. So today I was at my post office and as I was re-entering my car, a unmarked and plain clothes Sheriff pulled behind my car and blocked my exit. He complained he could not contact me at home and wanted to verify my address every 6 months. I told him that if he called me I would step out and wave to him in the future. It all made me very nervous.

    • Joe

      You should ask him to show you the section of the legal code that entitles him to verify your residence, at your residence, every x months. And, lacking that, kindly request him to (self censored) off.

      Mother used to say “Good fences make good neighbors”. True dat, and then some.

    • FRegistryTerrorists

      Good for you, Ron.

      I think every Registered family should put fencing or walls around their entire property and never allow anyone inside except friends. If that were done, perhaps these criminal regimes and their criminal police forces would get the message that their harassment is never going to be accepted.

      I found it funny that you offered to take calls from your criminal police force but I would not have done that. I told mine that because of the Registries, I would never be cooperating with them or helping them at any time for any reason. I also told them that I would do anything I legally could to make their jobs and lives more difficult. I have worked very hard to keep money and other resources out of the hands of my local big governments and especially their criminal police forces. Other voters and I have kept a lot of money from them. We have defeated many taxes. I want them to not even have enough resources to handle actual, real crime, let alone enough to harass families in their spare time.

  30. tattooarms

    I am waiting for something like this to happen to me since they still have not come back or tried to contact me. Did that sheriff agree to call you for you to just step out? This stuff really freaks me out since in the years I have been back in society this has never happened. Is this a new thing they do to try to run rso’s out of the city? What can be done to stop this harassment? What is the purpose of bringing the whole police force to my front yard for a “compliance” check? I just did my annual update 33days ago. I have lived in this city for almost 6 years and never had this happen before

    • Ron Lake County, CA

      The Sheriff said as long as he can see me at the door, he is happy. I don’t think I should cooperate with them anymore.

  31. mch

    Tattooarms,
    Home compliance checks are a “legal” form of police harassment in my opinion. In my 11 years as a member of the elite registered citizenry, I’ve only had two. One involved 7 officers and FBI wearing swat gear and their giant letters on their backs, right at 5:30 pm when everyone is getting home from work. Nothing more than a farce of force, but I wasn’t home! My good neighbor told me about it and I called the cop in charge the next day and chewed her butt good. I had another one late one night, just two officers wanting to verify, I stuck my head out the door to show my face and that was it.
    Government grants to law enforcement usually spike the compliance checks as do sexual re-offenses by others that make the news. The police have to appear like they’re on top of things, but we know it’s an appearance only to cover for their ineptitude and laziness.

    • FRegistryTerrorists

      These criminal police forces have no excuses to send 7 people to someone’s home to verify that the person lives there. That is nothing but a theft of public resources. It’s great that you called the “cop in charge”. You should have demanded that she tell you how much money they spent for those 7 people to be goofing off at your home.

      It is good that you have had only 2 attempted “verifications” that you are aware of during your Registration period. But I would still put a wall around my home. I won’t allow police or anyone else who supports the Registries (e.g. vigilantes) to be around my home. It is protection for my family.

  32. tattooarms

    Wow. The worst part is that it affects my wife and family as well. Sometimes I feel like I don’t deserve anything good to happen for me but since I am fortunate enough to have a loving wife and family, these things are just not right as it is upsetting good people who had nothing to do with. My offense

  33. James

    I am curious about the responses here: was the commenter on probation or parole? Were they on the public registry or not? (Many registrants are not on the public registry in California). I am also curious (though I doubt any of us know) whether these were special sweeps or routine. It seems some agencies do them, while others do not, or only do them intermittently.

  34. The Traveler

    I have run the whole gamut of these Compliance checks here in Santa Ana. Misdemeanor 290 in 1995 expunged in 2006. I am not on the Public Registry. They started about 2007 and stopped in 2011. I have not had any since. But, I can tell you I had all the worst of the SAPD. The horror stories about annual registration at the jail, for me, are all true. They came twice a year for the Compliance thing and it was about 50/50 (good cop/bad cop) what I was going to get. Now I will post a no trespassing/no soliciting sign and install a fake camera with a “you are being recorded” sign as well. I am very happy to gain a little knowledge.

  35. Sebastian

    This is not living.
    I’m not sure if I am writing this in the right place, but I have to say something. I cannot do this. Live like this. This is not living. I’m forced to speak about the most intimate details of my life and every sexual experience I have ever had, things intimately private to me and my loved ones or I will be thrown back in prison, I honestly feel emotionally and physiologically raped by this, not to mention the polygraph and the emotional abuse that comes with trying to intimidate me. I’m a full time student going to college and I live in fear everyday that today will be the day that flyers will be all over campus when I get to school, something that has happened to a guy in my group, only the flyers were posted all around the town he worked in. I recently found out about compliance checks. I live in a quiet nice neighborhood and there is peace here, but once a compliance check happens I’ll have to leave because my entire neighborhood will be in an uproar. They don’t understand, all they see is police and assume the worst. Or if this compliance checks occurs at my college? I’ll have to quit school. I’ll not be able to return. No one will treat me right after an event like that. My family has no experience with the police and I now live with retired and disabled parents who I’m afraid will have a heart attack if the aggressive things I’m hearing occur. Another guy in my group had his wife handcuffed when he arrived at his hotel room. She had no record and did not even live there and was treated like that. I cannot allow my family to go through this. I honestly think about suicide daily not because of depression, I love life and have dreams, but because it seems like the only logical solution for my family. They will never abandon me, but I cannot watch them suffer anymore. I have an appointment to talk with Janice tomorrow, and if I don’t see some hope in legal actions I can take to protect them and myself I don’t see what other options I will have. I cannot let my parents, my kids, my family suffer like this, I won’t let it go that far, and I won’t dishonor them by running either. I have no choices that protect them or me, but dying. I love life I love people, but this is not life, this is not living. This is cruel and unusual punishment. I’m so tired of living in fear terrorized by the state of California. Can’t I sue for emotional and psychological abuse or something? Any advice is welcome. I don’t know what else to do. I’d lay my life on the line right now if it would make changes for registrants.

    • Tired of hiding

      Holy Sh*t…this brought a tear to my eye. I thought I had it bad but never like you are getting it. WOW I feel for you and all I can tell you is not let the bastards win! You are not a second class citizen as they try to make you feel. You are NOT a bad person and you are probably more alive than those robots will ever be and you deserve to live your life to its fullest!

      You can NOT give up mentally on this. You have to know that this system is unjust and fair but it is man made and not real! You are being abused by people who think they have control over you (which is why they treat you/us) so bad! We are the strong ones and no matter what they do or try to make you feel do not let them!

      Your family understands…they know you. They know the real you. They also must know that being strong with you is part of the test of a real family. It should not be a reason for you to think of killing yourself. Now THAT WOULD cause your family an agony that would never go away!

      Be strong and gain strength to keep fighting – don’t let the bastards win! Lee

    • erich seitz

      I understand you completely. I feel like starving dog that is being kicked. There is honor in life, and death. Living homeless? Being checked on? Making loved ones suffer? Why? Just to say they can’t get me down, well they have! I lost the ability to see my loved one in Thailand. I admit to my mistake, I accept blame and punishment. But public abuse goes too far. They say I can’t work around seniors because of my offense (CP), but they allow a convicted molester live there! I am more stressed every day and my plea hasn’t even been entered. My life is just going to be a series of,” damn ,they found out”. Money is the only thing that can keep this even bearable. Let’s all buy lottery tickets.

    • steve

      Sebastian,

      Not sure if you’ve gone over this in therapy but it is something I use every time I start feeling like you. What you are having are irrational thoughts and worrying about things that haven’t even happened yet. I used to do it ALL THE TIME. Constantly worrying about neighbors finding out, the workplace finding out, my kids friends finding out. I can tell you ALL those things happened and I’m still here. My neighbors have never said a word to me about it and treat me fine. Some people at my work found out but have kept it quiet. My daughters friends found out and their parents told them to let it go the guys has been thru enough. Those girls treat me like a dad. As far as you go, the cops haven’t come yet. Your still in school and your parents are still alive. Don’t worry about things that haven’t happened. Focus on what you need to do to make your life better. It will get better and when and if these things you worry about happen you’ll be surprised how quickly you can move on from it.

  36. Tim

    Everytime I hear an RSO tell his or her story, I have a nagging desire to compile it in a book. Don’t know why exactly, maybe in the hopes that someone will wake up and see those deemed least of their brethren are people, too.

    • David

      Tim, I think such a book would be a great idea. Seriously, each person would get 1 – 3 pages to tell his/her story. Each story could be as detailed as the RC wishes, or as simple as “Highway Patrol caught me peeing off the side of the road. Now I’m a registered offender for the rest of my life.”

      • Timmr

        Cold statistics and facts don’t give a true story of the people involved or in the end motivate people to do anything to change the laws, at least that’s my opinion. It would be hard to imagine CARSOL coming into existence if one registrant didn’t tell his story in a book, and it was read by someone who could do something about it. I’m talking about Frank’s book and Janice.
        Truly, the narrative which justifies registration laws has been defined by a select few victims of high profile, horrendous crimes and it drowns out the stories of everyone else.

  37. Robert saige jr

    I live with a family member on probation. this week them came and did a compliance search. does this give them the right to search my person or my belongs. I am not on probation and I was searched and arrested was this lawful of them to do?

  38. sixcrowes

    Our house is lucky enough to get Compliance Checks in addition to Probation searches. 4 Cops for compliance checks and 9 Probation Officers all dressed in Swat Gear walking two blocks up to our upscale Town home, we myself my husband and our 4 kids live. As a result we have been asked to leave our place. Our landlord refused to renew our lease. 30 days before Christmas with two of the kids having Birthdays that fall on and two days after Christmas. I lost my job last April when my boss read an email to a friend of mine that talked about my husbands case. So far my husband has been a model probationer; no dirty UA’s never missed an appointment with PO graduated SO treatment and Alcohol Treatment. Last week they arrested him here at our home. He was asleep upstairs; had been for 2 hours. My friend walked in and was standing in our doorway her kids were outside. Probation walked up and flash incarcerated him because they said he was around kids. They literally had to drag him out of bed. There were 3 adults and my three teens standing with her kids while he was on a completely different floor and they arrested him. You see when they come here they are super pissed that this guy with this record; has a nice home; nice cars; nice family and is allowed to be around them and all of them are happy. They see that and boom they will find something to ruin that for us. He almost lost his job due to being arrested and then two days later our landlord terminated our lease.

    • steve

      Wow. That’s pure evil. They think it’s better to put away someone who is doing everything he can to be a good citizen AND taking responsibility for his family. They don’t even care about collateral damage to a family. Pisses me off.

    • TenantAdvocate

      Sixcrowes-

      Sorry to hear about these problems. However, if your lease is terminated for being a registrant it appears to be an illegal action. 290.46 [Subsection L (2)(G)] prohibits using 290 info relating to “Housing or Accommodations.”

      Further, you are entitled up to three times the actual damages PLUS attorney fees and a penalty up to $25,000. Usually a lawyer letter, emphasizing the fees will get good, immediate results. (This can apply to employment as well.)

      Good luck.

    • Timmr

      He should know his conditions of probation backwards and forwards and follow them to the letter. If probation doesn’t like that he is living with his family, and the judge had ordered that he could, sorry. The conditions are imposed by the court, not up to the whims of the probation department. They have to abide by the law, so does the landlord, just as he does. Get a lawyer. Be thankful he has money to hire one.

    • sixcrowes

      Yes – I am well aware of the civil penalties behind the termination of tenancy. The only problem is he doesn’t have to state a “reason for termination”. Residency is “at will” here. He just says “ummm I am selling or doing something different”. I do have an email from him asking about the police coming to our house. We have a nosy ugly HOA lady. Also the neighbors have commented to me asking if we “deal drugs since the swat team is here every month. I think there may be an issue with Probation putting the children as risk of being labeled and bullied due to being extremely present (purposefully so) at the visits. If you can be excluded from the registry for committing and offense here in California which involves your own children (I am assuming the intent of this was to protect their privacy), why wouldn’t you be able to argue home visits which would also invade their privacy?

      • Timmr

        Yes, I agree, the actions of the police are a form of child abuse if they negatively impact the children’s well being. The public registry itself is a form of child abuse, enabling the shaming and bullying of the children of registrants, it is so wether it lasts one day, 10 years, 20 years or life. The shorter the better, but still criminal. I know, we had to go through it, the children are stronger than we think, but the scars are there. It’s all to save one child, what a ludicrous statement! If they would use reconciliation rather than retribution they would save more children (and adults) in the long run.

  39. coolrRSO

    Today I got a TEXT message from one of the officer.
    He just said he was contacting me to see if I am around.
    I reply
    this is (my name)
    and that was all he cared about and didn’t come over

  40. Mjk

    Just had 7:18AM Saturday-morning compliance check, which ended up making my wife late for work.

    I live in San Bernardino county and have completed 2-1/2 of 5-years of probation with no violations for a 2012 plea agreement to PC288A(b)(2) from 2009. The SMASH unit deputy confirmed my identity at the front door. I informed him that I was on probation, which is when the probation officer appeared and finally greeted me (this seemed like they were testing to see if I would volunteer that to a police office, one of my conditions).

    All four officers came into the house and asked that my wife and I sit down. My mother-in-law (on oxygen with metastatic breast cancer) was already seated. I made sure to inform them of the oxygen since they all had fire arms.

    While one of the PO’s went through our bedroom and my cell-phone (first time for that), one of the SMASH deputies went over the information they had on me from what seemed to be the Megan’s Law website, which was mostly incomplete, outdated or wrong. Last I heard, I’m not appearing on the public site in California. I answered questions to update/complete the information and was asked to sign off on it’s accuracy afterward. The SMASH deputy was polite enough, stated that I was in complete compliance, had me sign a paper to acknowledge the accuracy of the information and departed.

    The PO who was running the home visit then took over. He went through my cell phone, my wife’s computers, the fridge, the garage, and our bedroom. The PO was not my regular, and therefor didn’t even have my file. He had to ask for my backstory, which was ridiculous. They stayed for about 20 additional minutes after the SMASH unit was finished. He asked me about my victim and where they live (another condition check) – I replied honestly that I had no idea where they live and that last I overheard from the DA two years ago that she was in college somewhere. He saw beer in the fridge and bourbon on the shelf and asked if I had alcohol conditions (another check), which I do not. Also asked about some corncob pipes in the garage – wanted to know what I smoke. I said tobacco, he asked if there was anything else I smoked (another check) to which I said no. He continued looking through my phone. Asked who my responsible parties are (my wife and mother-in-law).

    I mentioned my probation experiences in NYC and how unobtrusive they were by comparison, to which they seemed surprised. In SB County, probation officers always wear full uniforms and are always armed and drive unmarked Dodge Chargers, Ford Explorers and occasionally a Crown Victoria (in NYC, my assigned PO was in street clothes and drove a Prius). The PO with my phone asked where my charges originated (again, completely unfamiliar with my case since he had no file), so I explained that I moved on an interstate transfer to NY and back to CA but that my charges originated in CA. I informed them that we moved back to CA to live with and help take care of my mother-in-law (cancer) and grandmother-in-law (dementia). He didn’t seem too familiar with the interstate transfer process nor with SO cases. This was by far the most thorough probation check I’ve experienced since the first one.

    I hope it has been worth their time as they continue to waste state and federal funds to unnecessarily enforce ineffective laws. Maybe even some double-time pay?

    I feel horrible for putting my family through all of this. I guess I’m at least thankful we don’t have kids – we’ve decided it’s best to not bring anyone else into this situation for the time being.

    At least they didn’t toss our place up.

    Is it beer:30 yet?

    • Joe

      http://www.pe.com/articles/offenders-766326-sex-probation.html

      Here ya go… saving lives. Protecting children. Be proud to be a part of “Operation Broken Heart”.

      I suppose when you are on parole or probation that is the way it goes.

      But… I am curious about how you describe their interaction with your wife.

      WHY was she told to sit down? WHY was she late for work? Was she detained? WHY did they search her computer? It is my understanding that, on parole or probation, the subject’s private quarters and common living areas are subject to search. But not your other people’s areas like your Mother-in-Law’s room (I assume she lives with you, being there at 7 in the morning) or your wife’s private property, i.e. computer. WHAT is up with that?

      On the other hand you may be getting a giant break somehow for not being on the public web site as I am fairly certain that a PC288A(b)(2) is in the ZIP Code category (not full address) on the public web site.

      Good luck with the rest of your probation. Sounds like you got it handled. And yes, I do not see how anyone could raise children in this environment. No wonder that there is a whole generation being bred with contempt and hatred for law enforcement.

      • Mjk

        Thanks for the response Joe and the words of encouragement.

        Operation Broken Heart (who comes up with these names anyhow?) is clearly just another probation home visit, albeit more thorough than usual (phones, computers, garage and fridge).They target the RC’s and they probably feel real good about themselves afterward when the newspaper article runs. I’m sure that this is linked to SB County’s sponsoring of SB267. The PE article suggests that the sweep didn’t result in too many arrests, and none of those arrests were for anything related to being an RC. For the most part, they were just run of the mill probation violations and some unpaid traffic tickets. I bet this would’ve been more effective if Operation Broken Heart focused on repeat probation violators of all types, specifically drug offenders. There’s a drug dealer right across the street from us. And a woman who verbally abuses her children for the whole neighborhood to hear. But I’m the guy on the magical list so I get the attention.

        They did indeed instructed my wife (and mother-in-law) to sit down while inspecting our bedroom (not my mother-in-laws) and common areas until the PO moved into the garage. 20 minutes after their arrival my wife finally received permission to continue getting ready, take a prescription medication and turn off her phone alarm. My mother-in-law (she lives with us as well) was seated when they arrived. As for searching my wife’s computer, they’ve done this in the past as well. She doesn’t have it password locked, so they assume that I use it as well (which I don’t). I guess we could put a screen lock on it to solve that problem.

        My wife was in a robe when they arrived. She asked if she could put on something more appropriate for visitors but the request was denied. She was shaken by having 4 armed strangers, all men, in the house while she was in a bathrobe. During previous visits, PO’s didn’t have a problem with the same request.

        You are correct about my ZIP Code only registration status. However, when I moved to NY and back, NY has decided to keep my on their registry showing my CA address. So, my home address appears on the NY site as well as the Nation site. I’m attempting to correct this issue, but NY claims they will send updates annually until I’m off their registry. I expect to receive the letter sometime in September.

        By the way, the NY registration is a whole different ball game. They use their own risk assessment instrument, which has never been validated and ends up placing a whole bunch of folks on tier 2 (20 years, public disclosure). Fought the in NY courts for 6 months and it was upheld, with the court ignoring the fact that I was described as a very low risk on every validated instrument available (had three done by three different social workers, including STATIC-99r). we left NY 3 days following the court ruling. I would’ve had to move anyhow, since residency restrictions are alive and well in NY (even in The Bronx).

    • Harry

      I would visit a lawyer about detaining your wife and checking her computer. Read your PO papers, they are specific in what PO can do. And for 7 am check, that is also questionable.

  41. Quint

    Had my first compliance check today.
    I was released from custody in late December. I am on summary probation for a misdemeanor 647.6. Two officers rang the bell, and had my Megan’s List profile in hand. They asked my name and kindly announced they were here for a compliance check. That was it. They said thank you and left. Am I the only one with a positive experience?

    • Joe

      Good that this was not much of an ordeal for you. I fail, however, to see the positive in any of this…

      For you

      – Why should you be inconvenienced in your own home? What if you work nights and they wake you up?
      – What if your child or wife had answered the door?
      – What makes you think they did not speak to your neighbors, waving their printout?

      For the tax payer

      – If you are on probation your PO has every right to check up on you and verify every aspect of your life any time of the day. What is the point of these guys doing a ‘compliance check’ on top of probation?
      – Why does it take two people to perform such a check?
      – Compliance checks of any sort are not codified in PC 290. How is this expense justified?

      In general

      – How does verifying where someone lives promote public safety?
      – And if it did, why is this not done for every criminal?

      You are probably aware, but I would like to mention for anyone possibly reading this that a misdemeanor 647.6 conviction (the most absurd ‘sex’ crime on the planet) is eligible for exclusion from the Megans Law web site (by merely submitting this form – http://meganslaw.ca.gov/pdf/Application.pdf – no further documentation required) and Termination of Registration with a Certificate of Rehabilitation after 10+ years.

      • Timmr

        Police use compliance checks like highway patrol used to stop people simply to see if their license is current. It’s the same principle and excuse given of their power to enforce the law, not anything in the law itself. There is a code now to prevent police from randomly stopping someone and checking their license. There needs to be a law (first a lawsuit) against this unwarranted intrusion in the registrant’s life. As with most things we see the police do that violate a person’s liberties, it won’t stop until a higher authority forbids it, i.e., court order or put into law: for example, reading Miranda rights and the recent court ruling against planting GPS on people’s cars are actions created to put some boundaries on policing.

    • cool CA RC

      that not a positive experience.

    • Miranda Veracruz de la Jolla Cardenal

      I have had a wide range of experiences during my home verification raids. I used to get them twice a year, but it’s been well over two years since the last raid.

      The best one was a uniformed officer driving an old brown Chevy SUV with an exhaust leak. He came up the drive, my dogs were already onto his presence, so I met him outside. He had a clipboard and and asked me one question: “Are you XXX?” “Yes” He said thank you and left.

      The worst was the time before last, FOUR people came to my home, armed to the teeth and hands on their guns in threatening posture. This time my dog failed to notify me until the raiders slammed on the side of my home yelling my name.

      The makeup of the raiders was two Feds, a local deputy and a state parole officer. (I have been off supervision for years). The male Marshall took the lead in interrogating me. Then they asked to speak to my wife. She has a major attitude problem with the home verification raids, so I was hoping they would not ask to harass her.

      They started drilling her if I lived there full time, if she lived there full time and asked for her phone number, her reply “You do not need my phone number, I have not done anything wrong.” Then they moved on to asking if a child lived in the home, to which she replied “So what if there is, there’s no law that says a child cannot live here” The Parole female copped an attitude back and said yes there is and my wife replied: “Prove it”

      The local deputy got on his phone and called the 290OIC for our city and was informed, over speaker phone for EVERYONE to hear that if I was off supervision, there was no law preventing a child from living with us.

      At this point the other fed started roaming my property, driving my dogs insane and the Marshall asked to come in the house, and I told him no, that I do not know him and police commit crimes every day and that his positional authority does not make him my friend and only my friends and family are allowed in the home, but that if he invited me over for dinner sometime, I would be more than happy to invite him over in return. He did not try to convince or scare me to get in the home. I caught him grinning a bit.

      While that was going on, the wife and the female parole officer were continuing their useless discussion about kids, since no child lived with us and had not in years and she had already been educated about the law, she just wanted to lecture my wife about the dangers of having a child living with us, even AFTER my wife told her that no one under 18 had even been INSIDE our home in over four years.

      I had enough, I had answered their compliance-related questions, so then he asked me if I was working and I said yes. He asked what I did and I told him I was a headhunter. I told him I could send him to Kabul for 5 times his current pay and he would not have to deal with people like me anymore, although the added risk might scare him away. He was too clever to bite and that and just laughed it off and rounded up the rest and left.

      We promptly crawled all over our cars to make sure that they did not plant trackers while they were there since our cars were on the other side of the house and that fed was out of our sight for a time. We did not find anything, but if we missed it, no big deal, both those cars have been sold. I was hoping to find a tracker and take it to Ontario and put it in a OTR truck.

      The last check over two years ago was two local guys I knew from my annuals. Three questions lasting less than 5 minutes.

      My question about the home verification raids is: While I know that the feds and locals are AUTHORIZED to conduct home verification raids, I have never been informed of my duty to comply with the raids. Does the law authorizing home verification raids also mandate we participate in the raids?

      I typically never answer my door, unless the person on the other side has an appointment, that includes friends and family, they have to call or text first, or I do not answer the door.

      A gun and a badge does not make a stranger your friend.

      • Paul

        There is no law authorizing these events, nor is there a law requiring our compliance with them. That said, I believe that the courts have held that nothing actually prohibits a police officer from knocking on your door.

        There are people here who have had walls and fences installed on their property. If such barriers exist, a police officer cannot pass them without a warrant.

        Remember that you are not required to go along with their game. The next time they knock, turn up the volume on the TV and drown them out until they leave. Don’t even bother answering the door.

        • cool CA RC

          “turn up the volume on the TV and drown them out ”
          Loved that one! will do as will

  42. ab

    What exactly are the rights of someone on supervised release in terms of compliance checks?

    Does someone on supervision have to let law enforcement in if they wish to do a compliance check? I ask because people have provided different information about requirements. Some say a compliance check is all about verifying registration details such as proof of residence, but others say a check goes beyond to include verification that someone on supervision is in compliance with their terms and conditions.

    Can someone locate in the California penal code and federal statutes where compliance checks are authorized?

    • ab

      Update:

      The only search and seizure conditions written in the case are plain view confiscation by a probation officer of contraband and if approved to use a computer unannounced seizure for the purpose of searching.

      Nothing says anyone is allowed to search anything else.

  43. Muddy

    My bad, I didn’t read every post above.

    It seems to me that compliance checks are unreasonable searches because the compliance check fails to show probable cause that you are not in compliance. Under this presumption it seems an injunction or restraining order could be requested that the DOJ cease and desist from unreasonable invasions of privacy under the guise of conducting compliance checks.

  44. Michael

    I have a question. I was visited this morning at 5:30 AM by 3 police officers who advised me that they were conducting a compliance check. I asked them why in the hell were they conducting compliance checks at a time when they couldn’t even serve a search warrant unless there was a night endorsement signed by a judge? I was told they can conduct compliance checks at any time, day or night.
    They then advised me that they wanted to come in and look around my place, and they advised me that I had to let them because I was on probation. I told them to get the f–k off my property, I am on probation but the judge failed to impose a search condition when I was sentenced, and I am on Federal probation. Local Officers cannot even enforce my terms and conditions of probation.
    I really want to file a complaint about this. It seems totally unreasonable.

    • Timmr

      Unreasonable, yes. Many of us have been off probation or parole for many years and still get these visits. I have had federal marshals and parole agents come to my house with bullet proof vests, though my probation for a State crime ending 10 years ago. The result has been to give the impression to neighbors, family, or anyone visiting at the time, that they are conducting a criminal investigation of some sort. In some ways I would rather have my old probation officer conduct the visits. She always announced beforehand that she was coming, and came in an unmarked car and knew me and my case. The last visit a parole agent got me confused with someone else he was visiting that morning. If these visits are truly to see if you are living where you say you are living, it would be very easy for them to just park along the street in an unmarked car and watch me come and go from the house I have lived in for the past 10 years. Sure seems like theater to show the masses they are doing something, a waste of public funds.

    • Paul

      I think the issue here is, there are no laws governing compliance checks. None. Zero. Nada. They are completely at the discretion of whatever officer feels like conducting a compliance check.

      Some states send a certified letter to your address, and you are required to sign and return the document in a defined time frame (usually, a few days). Others, such as California, have no laws governing the process, so the officer is free to do whatever he/she pleases. For this reason, I refuse to live in a small city, where the entire process is handled by a bored station detective. As is reported here frequently, large cities such as Los Angeles rarely do compliance checks, as they are simply too overwhelmed and understaffed to worry about it. So long as you maintain your registration, and keep that current, you’re pretty much left alone.

      But I imagine that if you choose some podunk town with a tiny department, you’d have a huge spotlight on you at all times.

      • Harry

        I live a city less than 10,000, in extreme N. Cal, and no one has ever none a compliance check on me.

        • steve

          Same with me. San Fernando Valley. Zero checks. 18 years.

        • Timmr

          And I live in a largely populated county, San Diego, and they have averaged between one and two compliance checks per year. Crime has been going down here for many years. Same as in much of the US. I guess they need a cause to keep the departments growing and the funds coming in. San Diego’s is monitoring registrants. LA’s is maybe broken windows type enforcement and arresting the homeless in skid row. It is all a shift from traditional arresting of hard criminals to the philosophy of “preventive policing.”

      • B

        I don’t think the checks are done based on boredom (certainly not public necessity). There are some eager little grant writers in various cities and counties. They look for opportunities to apply for state or federal grants for compliance checks so that all the police officers can pick up a little overtime pay. Your tax dollars at work.

  45. Ryu

    Well I always being a bit “hositle” towards the officers when they checking up on my brother.Every since I heard about vigilante had killed a low-tiered registrant.I am afraid someone pretending to be officer and going in and trying to kill my brother just because he’s a registrant .

  46. ValueGirl

    I started dating a guy 17 months ago. He recently told me he had a Federal PC290 conviction. Long story but he was in possession of 3 short videos on his PC (compliments of an adult step-child). He did 28 months. We both live in Orange County but different cities. Since he sometimes spends the night at my home his P.O. said he was required to go to the city I live in and register my address as a second address. He was told it was just a “paperwork” formality. When he got to the Police Dept. in my city they treated him like he was first time registering. They were so clueless as to how it worked and what they needed to do for a “secondary” address that they had to call the DOJ to find out what to do. They did another DNA swab, etc. I figured my address would end up on the “list” and it did (which is fine). Only the police show my address as a primary address now and his as a secondary. My question is “where are MY rights”? Shouldn’t there be something that tells me someone registered my address? What if my boyfriend hadn’t told me about his situation but had just registered my address? Doesn’t seem right. This is all new to me (and frankly, some of the craziest stuff I’ve ever heard of). So, now the question is…if they can’t find him at his home are they going to show up on my door step? I have an adult child living with me and was hoping not to tell her until I had absorbed the whole thing but now I will have to tell her just in case an army of police show up asking for him. I’m looking to educate myself. I’ve read the horror stories; but, I’m wondering if anyone has gone through a similar thing and can tell me what the outcome was?

  47. Toni

    Once an expungment happens, are compliance checks legal? My boyfriend had a previous conviction that was expunged and hasn’t been required to register anymore. The police showed up and opened the screen door (which was closed, but the front door was open) and saw legal medical cannabis. They told our roommate they were issuing a search warrant and that we all were detained while they executed the warrant. Now my boyfriend sits in jail because of this. My question is, isn’t what they did illegal therefore everything found fall under illegal search and seizure? I am 8 months pregnant with high risks and they are threatening to file charges against me. I only stayed there to be closer to my OB due to my complications. My boyfriends mother won’t allow me to speak to his attorney to push this. I feel that his attorney isn’t representing him the best way. I have zero control and don’t want any of this to affect my child. My boyfriend has been in jail for over 20 days with a bail amount of 500 grand just because of the issue from before that was expunged. I don’t know what to do. Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thank you.

    • kelnothiding

      you need to speak to an attorney , cops get away with this in many ways , could be law suite , opening the door no warrant in hand? talk to lawer ,good luck

      • Lake County

        I’m sure they will just say they had seen your marijuana through the screen door. You definitely will need a lawyer. Cops get away without search warrants all the time. When the cops were investigating me, they came into my house without a warrant (judge agreed this was true), detained me for two hours, did a basic search, found evidence and then got the search warrant 2-3 hrs later. The judge said this was legal as they were just “protecting” the crime scene. So much for the Constitution.

  48. G12

    Are you sure he’s still not required to register? Expungement does not eliminate the requirement to register. He would need a certificate of rehabilitation for that…if he qualifies based on his particular crime, that is. The mere fact that a compliance check was being carried out on him, leads me to believe he’s still required to register.

  49. Brett

    Well i’m on probation and i haven’t done a thing wrong, yet the police showed up at my house when i wasn’t home? i’m worried to say the least. can they do that?

  50. bluewall

    Brett.. If your on parole or probation the cops can be banging on your door and you have to let them in, based on the terms of your release.. Also you can get cops banging on your door after parole of probation, but you don’t have to let them ib

  51. jd

    I posted this on the June 2016 message board, having forgotten that there was a board designated for compliance checks. My apologies.

    Anyway, as my husband nears the end of his probation (just seven weeks to go), a new fear has arisen: the possibility of compliance checks. After surviving the humiliation of two searches during probation and monthly home visits from P.O.s who wear badges around their necks, carry giant walkie-talkies in their hands, and sometimes sport t-shirts that say “L.A. County Probation: Relax,” I cannot fathom the horror of finally settling into a semi-normal life, only to have that life disrupted by police officers coming to our apartment door just to verify that my husband does, in fact, live here. Does anyone have any experience with post-probation/parole compliance checks in Long Beach? Currently, after my husband has registered and/or updated his address, he gets a call from LBPD to verify his info. This is not a problem for us. He answers the officer’s questions, and we quickly move on. If I knew that that would the extent of the checks, I could maybe, just maybe, relax. Any information that anyone from Long Beach has would be much appreciated.

    • Joe

      Please read PC 290.015. Read it carefully.

      …The registration shall consist of all of the following:
      (1) A statement in writing signed by the person, giving
      information as shall be required by the Department of Justice and
      giving the name and address of the person’s employer, and the address
      of the person’s place of employment if that is different from the
      employer’s main address.
      (2) The fingerprints and a current photograph of the person taken
      by the registering official.
      (3) The license plate number of any vehicle owned by, regularly
      driven by, or registered in the name of the person.
      (4) Notice to the person that, in addition to the requirements of
      the Act, he or she may have a duty to register in any other state
      where he or she may relocate.
      (5) Copies of adequate proof of residence, which shall be limited
      to a California driver’s license, California identification card,
      recent rent or utility receipt, printed personalized checks or other
      recent banking documents showing that person’s name and address, or
      any other information that the registering official believes is
      reliable. …

      That. Is. It.

      For starters, a 290 registrant (not on parole or probation) is NOT required to provide a phone number for subsequent check up or any other reasons. Write it down if you feel like it, but it is not required by law. It just isn’t. He is not required to answer his phone to talk to them. Not about the weather, not about the Lakers, and not about his registration information.

      Someone (@AnonymousNobody, I believe), has ad nauseum, pontificated about how these compliance checks are not only not spelled out in the legal code, they are ILLEGAL!

      I believe he has a point. This reminds me of the parks ban issue from a few years ago. The law is very specific about who is not allowed to enter a public park. As such the legislature OCCUPIES THE FIELD, and any further laws are unconstitutional, because State law trumps local law. The same thing, in my opinion, holds true with the compliance checks. It is spelled out to a tee what a 290 registrant must provide. Because verification on the premises is not enumerated in that list, the legislature must specifically intend for that NOT to happen.

      Accordingly, no registrant is required to participate in or cooperate with such a compliance check. Of course, they can knock on your door whenever they feel like it. Just like they can pull you over in your car whenever they feel like it or demand identification just walking down the street…. wait, wait!

      This is NOT a Long Beach issue. PC 290 is a state law. And just like in the parks ban issue, it is ILLEGAL for the city / county to go beyond State law. Because State law OCCUPIES THE FIELD.

      Of course it is easiest just to play along. I get that. But until someone has the b@lls to say ‘no more’, this will continue to go on, and be a slippery slope.

      I am not a lawyer.

      • Lake County

        Unfortunately unless you have a locked gated home, they will just keep showing up continuously in front of your neighbors to see until you answer your door. Including a multi agency task force in full riot gear that everyone in your neighborhood will notice. They know you don’t want the whole neighborhood to see them at your door, so you need to comply or they will just make their visits more noticeable. Without a secure fenced property, you’re kinda at their mercy. I can’t wait until compliance checks can be contested in court for those not on probation or parole. But as they are done without a law, it’s hard to fight a non-law. It really can’t be fought in court until someone is arrested for not responding to a compliance check.

      • Timmr

        I am reading it and the statements “giving information as shall be required by the Department of Justice” and “any other information that the registering official believes is reliable” sounds very open ended as to what is allowed. Note giving tbe DOJ authority to make up the rules andtbe word any. I don’t see any secret friends in these statutes. They read like a totalitarian manifesto.

        • Lake County

          I also have also been concerned with that statement “any other information that the registering official believes is reliable”. Leaves a lot open for interpretation. Although I think the intent was to allow other ways of proof if you do NOT have the other mentioned documents.

          • Timmr

            Sorry, it looks like I wasn’t able to completely edit my post.
            The way I read it, there are certain things like fingerprints and drivers license that are required at minimum, but the DOJ is allowed to add other things. How can they do that, by what authority and following what procedure? It doesn’t say. After all as long as it is considered “regulation” there is certain leeway given to bureaucracies to make up rules to implement laws — as long as we are considered commodities, not people with rights.
            I think you are right about the second part about proof of residence, they can use other means if you don’t possess the proofs mentioned, that is seen in the use of the word “or”.

  52. jd

    Janice, is there a lawsuit in this? Some of the stories on here are so horrifying. Right now, it seems no one in our building knows about my husband’s offense, but we’ve been lucky. If a team of people show up once he’s off probation, we may not be so lucky and may find ourselves on the streets.

    • Lake County

      There is no current lawsuit. Although compliance checks are not mandated by law, they certainly are not against any law. Perhaps if you asked them to not come on your property, you could make a case for trespassing or harassment. But that would be expensive to attempt to file a suit on that issue.

  53. t.kerk

    Guys i will be challenging these compliance checks. I live with my parents, i got lucky this time they weren’t home when they came 3 deep in full uniform. I am not on probation anymore. These checks will make me homeless. I explained this to the agency but they didn’t care. So its time for legal action. I have funds and a lawyer who believes we can win. I read all these posts and showed the lawyer about the part of PC 290.015 of whats required. He said theres no way this can be legal. I really cant believe this hasn’t been challenged before. Only been off probation for few months. Well im not sure what hes planning exactly if its harassment, restraining order, etc. We are just starting. If you want to join the suit ill see if thats possible. I would like to make it not legal so no RC will have to deal with this. Not just have it stop only for me.

    Any info on reasons why this is illegal please tell me and i will relay it all to him. Any info at all. Also if anyone has tried to challenge these checks and why it failed will be important info. I will provide updates and what my lawyer finds out. This will take place in southern California. Thank you.

    • Hopeful4all

      T.kerk.. I’ve made an attempt to try and hire a lawyer to fight thi( Sfv Ca) and it’s like no one wants to touch this as if it’s radioactive. If it’s ok can u email me your attorney info. Moderator I give full permission to give t.kerk my email address if possible. We have many sleepness nights over these checks. We’re so desperate that if we have to go in debt to stop this than by all means 🙁

    • Hopeful4all

      t.kerk…… It’s not legal!! Their coming to our door step (if not on parole or probation) without probable cause! No illegal activity is going on, a crime has not been commited, no 911 call or complaint and most of all NO SEARCH WARRENT, they have no business knocking on your door. Our address has ALREADY been verified when we go n for our annual via drivers license or ca Id or a bill(or not a bill, not sure) as stated in pc290. It is than our address is verified. I’m new to this site and this is what many on here proclaim. I’m sure there is so much more to b said by the more wonderful experienced individuals on this site.

      • Lake County

        The problem is that it is not illegal for someone to knock on your door. No one off parole/probation has been arrested for not opening their door so what grounds are you going to sue them? You probably would first have to send them a certified letter stating not to come to your property without a warrant and then maybe you would have a reason to file a lawsuit. But you have to show how they violated your rights and what your damages were. I hope you attempt this, but I think it will be expensive, difficult to win and recover any damages. And it will be even harder to get this to be a published decision that would set precedence for anyone else.

        • Lake County

          Just to make it clear, no search warrant is ever needed for law enforcement to come to your door. A search warrant is only needed to enter your home and closed off areas of your property. And having said that, my home was searched prior to arrest without a warrant under the rule that police are allowed to secure the scene to “make sure the evidence would not be destroyed”. They came into my home without asking and searched my home while we waited about 3 hours for them to get a warrant. The judge ruled that they entered my home without permission, but since they had a fear I would find out about the investigation and destroy any evidence, entering my home without a warrant was allowed. So much for the constitution. And I had an expensive Harvard Attorney (although I now know that where someone gets their law degree really doesn’t matter).

        • Timmr

          They have definitely detained me when their patrol car is preventing me from leaving my driveway until I talk to them. They can see me where I live. What more do they need? It is like they have an order to make contact, to threaten, get what information they can, and in some cases to harass, not just to verify an address. It is not always as simple as not answering the door.
          I think, with stop and frisk as an example, you have to fight the operational policy of unconstitutional detainment.

          • Punished for Life

            Timmr,
            I sure hope Nevada doesn’t start with those compliance checks.
            I live around a bunch of old farts and I think they pass the time away, staring out their windows. I think that’s what old people do.

            I’ve been in NV. 14 years now and I’ve had one visit to the home by Law Enforcement. They wanted to tell me back in 06 or 07 that things were changing. Then, all of the court battles began over that AWA law and the changes were put on hold.

            Until now.

            Frank

            • Timmr

              That is nice they actually inform you of changes in the law. My county sent me a letter once about a loitering law specifically for registrants, but that was it. There has been no other notifications from them about changes in the laws.
              I hope they don’t start the address verification there. What a waste of tax payer funds. The main purpose is to support the myths promulgated by local media, echoed by county supervisors and police chiefs, that registrants can’t change, need to be constantly watched and reminded that law enforcement is keeping and eye on them — despite real evidence to the contrary. It is got to be a sure fire way for them to get extra funding in a time of government cutbacks.

    • jd

      t.kerk, would you mind providing the name of your lawyer?

  54. t.kerk

    Yes its not illegal for a police officer to come to your door for probable cause. Realize this is PRIVATE PROPERTY. But to systematically come and be harassed for no reason, its not right. We provided what is required by law. I like that certified letter saying there not allowed on my property and its trespassing. I think i will do that. Its my property, its not public. Cops just cant go into your backyard for no reason. And getting my info that i already provided and complied 100% with the law isn’t good enough. Its private property. They have to have some kind of cause. Im gonna sue on harassment, for them going to make me homeless, for the mental anguish. How every knock or door bell ring puts me into super anxiety. Its torture. How can i ever start a life in a nice neighborhood or anywhere. How can i have a wife and a family and have them suffer to. Im not listed publicly i deserve anonymity. Im still very young. They come full uniform and make a scene. Last time they knocked on my neighbors door banging on it for 10min till they realized i was the building over. Also for the fact people aren’t publicly listed, whats the point of anonymity if everyone sees the squad roll up all the time. My lawyer is looking into it and i will meet with him next week and provide info here. So please keep an eye on this thread. Really i have nothing to loose at this point. I already stated i have the funds. If i lose the case at least i can say i tried. And if i win i will share what grounds i win, etc.

    Again any info i can bring to my lawyer to help please say. I already have a few pages of points and laws and rights i feel are being violated. My lawyer is very smart, i was referred to him by one of the head public defenders. He was done many cases per 290 so he knows the ropes. Thanks guys. Is it safe to put my email up here?

    • Hopeful4all

      t.kerk. I’m in the exact same situation your in. I look forward to your next post.

    • Lake County

      Like I said, if you have not formally asked them to stop coming to your door, I don’t see how they have violated you. I do understand the harm this does to you. You can send them the letter or pay an attorney to send the letter, but if your City/County is afraid of lawsuits, it might just work. I’m considering sending the letter since my County looses lawsuits constantly and they will likely just leave me alone. Although they rarely bother me anyway. We’ll see.

      Don’t put your main email here. Just make a new one for this purpose, then post it.

  55. TG

    Three misdemeanor counts of possession in 2002. I have had two home visits in all that time. In the first, I wasn’t home and they asked a neighbor if I lived there. She said yes and that was good enough for them. The second was about six years later. The SO knocked on my door, I answered and the deputy said, “Hi, XXX. Sheriff’s Office. We’re making sure you’re living where you’re supposed to be.” I said yes and he left.

  56. Anonymous (for clear reason)

    Are these “compliance checks” constitutional?

    1. The cops conduct their ‘compliance checks’ much more than once a year. They’ve visited me three times this year already. And I am not even on probation anymore.

    2. The cops can visit at any hour of the day.

    3. ON THE THIRD MOST RECENT VISIT: The cops — in this case, the Los Angeles County Sheriff Department — have also unfairly frightened my neighbors on at least one occasion. The deputies let my neighbors know that I am a sex offender even though I am not listed on Megan’s Law website. (BTW, I was home at the time so it seemed unnecessary for them to knock on my neighbor’s door as well. But they did so regardless, before knocking on my door to verify that I was living there.)

    Are these legal and/or constitutional methods to enforce Megan’s Law?

    Will ACSOL ever challenge these “compliance checks?”

    • Timmr

      I am not on probation either, ended almost 12 years ago, a legal and compliant life since. These visits are less respectful of my privacy than any of the visits I had with my probation officer. Probation visits were always announced before hand and the exact time negotiated before hand, usually a month in advance. My officer knew me and was polite. She always came in an unmarked car in plain cloths. I get a different compliance team every time. They arrive unannounced, sometimes when visitors are there, and sometimes in patrol cars and wearing bullet proof vests. Some are plain rude and gruff, treating me like I am a trespasser on my own property. Others feign interest in my family, but with no sincerity on their faces. All they know is I’m that criminal mug shot on the print out they carry. Sometimes they confuse me with someone else. The only good thing is you don’t have to say anything to them, and you don’t have to let them in the house or beyond a gate. A probation officer can make life easier for you if you are honest and trustworthy. These guys are there just to harrass you. They can’t do a thing for you, except make life worse. It is nothing more than stop and attempted frisk. I don’t know why no one has challenged it. Maybe some of our advocates secretly believe in them. I don’t know. This isn’t a perfect movement. They are stumbling along to find a way like us all. Anyway, the compliance check is a worse experience than going in for my annual.

  57. Tony

    I am not a sex offender, I just saw this news segment of officers going around the north bay doing compliance checks and hand cuffing someone in their house while doing a search. I am not sure if they were on probation or not, but if they were on probation I could see and even support random checks. But if you are off probation how can they just come into your home. It seems very heavy handed and I am not sure how anyone in that spot can ever get get back on track. It just seems so unfair. I am not even sure there should be a lifetime sex offender registration. I think after 15 years of good behavior you should be able to just go and live your life. I hope all of you that have to register can overcome what ever made you engage in the activity that got you in trouble and that you can put the incident behind you and your best foot forward in living a peaceful and meaningful and productive life.

    • NotLikingCA

      Very common on Halloween but the need to submit to searches and hand-cuffing only applies to registrants on probation or parole. If you’re not on either of those, you don’t have to answer the door, let them in, etc., unless they have a warrant.

    • Punished For Life

      Tony,
      We can appreciate that there are people, like you, out there who have some compassion for the truly unconstitutional laws that the RC is forced to abide by, in most cases, for a lifetime…for a single mistake. Registered Citizens can spend their life attempting to prove they belong in society and some spend many thousands of dollars with attorney’s, decades after they have been offense free, yet still they may never be allowed to see the world around them due to a uneducated lawmakers and hysterical soccer moms who believe that once an offender, always an offender.

      Yet there are still “Judges” out there who still won’t admit that all of these laws directed at Registered Citizens are “punitive”. Judges and Legislators don’t like to admit they have been wrong for so many years. So they just continue the status quo.

      • Timmr

        Tony gets it. Even those who hate us gets it. Probably 99% of the country gets it. The registry and associated laws are punishment. The judges, though, live in some sort of alternate reality they have created with word manipulation, where what is obvious to most becomes unrecognizable to them.

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