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International Travel – Mexico

There have been many comments / stories on recent travel to Mexico. This post is dedicated to Travel to Mexico. Some Mexico specific comments  have been moved here for further discussion.

Also see:

Living with 290 – Traveling to Cabo San Lucas

International Travel

Sharing More Information Will Enable Federal Agencies to Improve Notifications of Sex Offenders’ International Travel – United States Government Accountability Office, February 2013 (Highlights)

International Tracking of Sex Offenders Working Group – An interim report of the collaborative effort to develop a system for tracking registered sex offenders as they depart and enter the United States, as required by 42 U.S.C. 16928 (White Paper) – developed by representatives of the Department of Justice, Department of Homeland Security, Department of State, and Department of Defense offenders as they depart and enter the United States, as required by 42 U.S.C. §16928, December 2010

Current Situation Results in Thousands of Passports Issued to Registered Sex Offenders – United States Government Accountability Office, June 2010 (Highlights)

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  1. dnatale

    DENIED ENTRY TO MEXICO

    I tried to visit my girlfriend in Acapulco on 12/19/2014 But theirs alert a new law to just come into effect nationwide to any American citizen that had or has criminal record that arrives at any Mexican destination back it automatically and I was denied entry.
    And the document that I gave from the Court where says that I already served and is free only serves in the United States and doesn’t do for Mexico.

    My charges:

    Poss. promotion of child pornography(3 rd. degree felony)

    I was given a 10 year probation with deferred adjudication on 12/12/2003

    Than on all charges were dismissed.

    Order dismissing proceeding and granting discharge from community supervision following deferred adjudication 12/12/2013 in the 29st jdc Dallas, Texas

    Because of my original charge I’m not required for approval to travel international.
    But I am required to report to the local Police Department time I travel internationally where will I plan to go days
    When they do that It puts a red flag on my passport They also notify Interpol .

    As you know this type of crimes get a lot of attention and social rejection, nonetheless I was acquitted, and want to enter the country to see my girlfriend.

    I Need help getting Permission to visit Mexico

    • mikee

      i was not allowed into mexico on 11/9/14. I am a RSO in colorado and had travelled there the past two years with no problem. now the US is letting them know and they are not letting me in. just posting on here to let others know and save them the embarrassement of being called off the plane in front of your friends and being sent back. at least southwest had another flight going back to denver so did not need to spend the night at airport

      • FRegistryTerrorists

        F Mexico and the un-American scum that are enabling this useless harassment. They need to identified and harmed by any legal means available. They are harming your spouses and your children also, so don’t forget theirs.

        Did you ask Mexico if they are working hard to get all of their people who are in the U.S. illegally out? If they are so worried about predicting the future about a person who could break a law, they must be 10 times more worried about people who are breaking laws.

      • David Kennerly

        I’m sorry to hear it. Please expand on the “call-out” within the cabin. Upon landing and before others disembarked, they had you leave the plane? Also, which airport was it? Thanks!

      • Jonathan Merritt

        IF you go to El Paso and park at the Loves Truck stop and have a CB Radio, the Jackal takes truckers across the border for a little vacation. he has an arrangement with the federalies and they leave him and his guests alone.
        That is the only way I know you can get into Mexico my friend.

        • Timmmy

          At this point ANYONE can enter into Mexico from the Texas border without inspection, except for maybe the customs check if you get selected.

          And US truck drivers can only drive into Mexico for a limited distance.

          Going into the interior requires permits in which they scan your passport.

    • Mytweetybird1

      in the philippines if u want to enter and u are convicted felony which became blacklisted in philippines immigration u need to hire a lawyer to help u and one important paper u need is the psychological test or (SOTP) certificate coz thats the document will prove ur not a high risk to society

      • David H

        Mytweetiebird– have you done this process to get into Philippines? I have a big need to get there and would like to know more about this process. I’ve been looking at all sorts of expensive work-arounds to get in, such as getting inside of Mexico to fly from there to the Philippines, but I’d prefer a legit process.

      • Victor Tatro

        I have a indecent liberties w/a child <14. That was in 2006.I was sentenced to 122 months with DOC. I got out in April 2016. I am on parole till 2020. I have a girl interest in the Philippines and t want to give her false hope. We have only met through the internet but i am interested to marry. I am desperate for a plan to make that happen. Any insight would help.

  2. dnatale

    Regarding
    Post
    By Bob
    Dated January 19, 2004 at 9:30 am
    http://all4consolaws.org/2013/01/international-travel/#comment-55293

    Is there anyway you can contact the author and ask him what country he is talking about?

    I’m currently working with a Mexican immigration attorney about my denial entry to Mexico.

    • mikee

      It was Cancun airport. When plane was at gate they called my name. Had to leave plane and was escorted by six
      people to customs

      • Jackey

        My boyfriend and I made it all the way to Cancun and he was called off the plane and sent back to the US. I was left all alone in Mexico as there was no room on the plane for me. This new law sure would have been nice to know about before paying all this money for our vacation.

        • alyce

          JACKEY….what was the reason for denied entry and how do you find out about this law

      • Just married

        Married yesterday, we saved, flew to Cancun for our honeymoon. They called me off and sent me home. She can’t get back til end of week. Rso for public urination 15 yrs ago. Now we are in tears.

        • PK

          It’s a shame you didn’t read about these issues beforehand. You’re not supposed to fly to Mexico!

          At least you still have your passport intact I’m guessing.

    • PK

      @dnatale Would you care to share the name of your Attorney in Mexico?

  3. Mexico No Bueno

    I was just refused entry into Mexico despite having been there at least a dozen times in the last 10 years. I found this site while trying to research what was going on. In 1998 I plead Alford to “possession of a visual depiction of a minor under the age of 16”, which at that time in my state was the lowest level felony and for which I received a couple years of probation. As it turns out, the girl was over 16 – and a stripper at a local strip club, but I’d already taken the plea once we found this out. I completed probation and haven’t been in any trouble at all since then.

    I was very recently (2014) traveling with my family including my in-laws, my mom, my wife, and daughter. When the plane arrived and before anyone got off the plane, they announced over the speaker that I needed to get off the plane first. I was escorted off and taken to a room an interviewed by about 5 gentlemen – all taking notes. Three of them had camera phones. The lead guy (who was the only one that spoke) asked if I’d ever had trouble with the law. I told him that he must know that already or I wouldn’t be there. I told them of my conviction, that it was nearly two decades ago, and that there was no physical contact with the alleged victim. The lead guy wrote this all down and faxed it back to Mexico City. Within 10 minutes it was determined that I would not be allowed to stay in the country.

    This was highly embarrassing. Here I have my in-laws and my mom. We spent about $15,000 just on hotel. They were all allowed to stay in the country, but I was put on the next plane back to the US 40 minutes later (which was the same plane I flew in on). In retrospect from what I’ve read elsewhere, I was very lucky I didn’t sit in the airport for days.

    The one piece of information I can contribute to everyone is this… upon realizing I was there with my family, the lead immigration guy at my destination was very sympathetic. I feel that were it were up to him personally, I would have been able to stay. He told me that “the US State Department had contacted Mexico City and told them that I was coming” – Those are the exact words he used. He showed me the paper he received from his Mexico City office, but it was in spanish, so I couldn’t read it. There was one line that said something like “sexual” that he pointed at. I did not see a photo with it though these guys probably took 5 photos of me while I was there. These guys were very nice and professional and treated me well.

    When I returned to the US, I went through US Customs and went through the usual extended screening BS that we all get to enjoy. The US Customs agent said that “in the past few months”, that this was happening every single day multiple times and that “something must be going on.”

    I told my family to go ahead and enjoy the vacation since it was paid for but this sucks for me. If they came back with me, it would be even worse for me since I’d have the guilt of that on top of all the money lost. At first I thought this was politically motivated as punishment for being outspoken and donating to the wrong candidates, but reading this here, obviously there are other forces at work. I am going to look into other (legal) avenues to get permission to enter the country if possible. Again, I’ve been to Mexico a dozen times in the past decade – and I’d been to this particular city three times. I do feel that the US is trying to create a defacto prison from which we cannot escape.

    I read somewhere else online today that there was a law signed by the president of Mexico December 3 barring all RSOs from entering the country but wasn’t able to find any other verification of that.

    Sorry I don’t have more information to contribute.

    As for the other posters suggestion to enter through Baja, I would not recommend doing this then traveling within the country as someone advised above. If Mexican authorities were to view this as a circumvention, they could conceivably keep you forever – and if you think the US State Department would lift a finger to help you, you’d be dreaming.

    • Anonymous Nobody

      Do you have any idea about whom and what the US is telling other countries? That is, is it ALL sex offenses, or perhaps only those for which the Feds require registration, which is not all the charges for which California requires it? That is, there might be some Californians who have to register who would not be caught up in this. In fact, maybe the US doesn’t even do it for life, maybe only for the time frame that the US requires registration, which is a lot less than the lifetime California requires. Has anyone beyond the federal time frames been subjected to this?

      Answers to these questions could help a lot of people navigate this.

    • Anonymous Nobody

      I recall some law going through Congress a year or so ago regarding international travel by US citizen sex offenders. All this might be going on because of that law. I do not know the details of that law. It must have done something to send records internationally if we travel. And when foreign governments are confronted with records, they will react.

      The foundation of the problem is that the US is really violating our privacy by sending such unnecessary records, as we are now free citizens.

    • R

      This is a very helpful website. My situation was very similar. I’m an RSO, 10 year registrant, convicted of a class D misdemeanor in 07. I flew to Cabo San lucas on 4/01/14 with my girlfriend with no problems entering the country for our week vacation. We dealt with the “taken in the back room crap when arriving back in the unites states” routine.
      Fast forward to this year me and my GF attempted to fly to the Dominican Republic on 3/27/15. We arrived in the Dominican Republic to begin a very expensive vacation. We got to the customs agent and upon screening my passport through, he go very excited and motioned for a bunch of different agents to come over. We were led into a back room where the “acted” like they couldn’t figure out what is going on, wouldn’t tell me anything other then to say that the US government notified immigration ahead of time to not let me in the country.
      They printed off a bunch of different paper’s and would show us a “look of being perplexed” We eventually had about 10 agents following us, where we were led to different places with the intent we realized on bringing us back to the gate.
      We were told we would have to take the next flight back which was the one we got off. Supposedly we had the top immigration person at the airport with us and he would only tell us is they have been informed not to let me in and had no idea why. I obviously found this to be complete bullshit, they knew why they would not let me in. They conferred to each other in spanish and my girlfriend speaks fluent spanish and wasn’t able to get anything out those conversations of importance but she thought she heard them say “rapist” and asked them to repeat what they said and they wouldn’t, but she wasn’t sure they said it either.
      The emotional stress of getting back onto the plane was overwhelming, everyone in the airport had witnessed the arguing and crying while being escorted by a small armada of guards.
      We had just lost our whole trip we had planned a year for and the amount of work we had to do just to get to Dominican republic, it was just devastating as we had 2 more long plane trips to deal with to get home, with impossible to make connections. Lets not mention the embarrassment of explaining to everyone that you didn’t take your vacation. Adding insult to injury we didn’t get our bags back until 2 days later, we realized our bag had been completely ransacking and everything was stolen except for some socks etc.
      From doing some research it sees the united states has been helping or encouraging many countries lately to combat sex tourism and by doing so have been sending RSO’s information along to their arriving destinations.
      My gf loves to travel and we are not sure what to do now. We can’t plan a vacation and hope they let us in the country. It’s mind numbing that I can have a passport, TWIC card, TSA pre approved etc but yet can’t travel anywhere outside the us. It seems the us is hellbent on having RSO’s stay in the country and this is just the latest add on to restrict our freedom. It seems to be a great way to gain political points.
      Theire

    • j

      Document the discovery of the age factor as it related to your conviction and have it overturned. Nothing is too late if false information was used to establish your guilt. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

      The dream of the architects of these laws are to create a virtual prison both by removing liberties restored when the sentence is over and to hold people hostage in the real and cyber world in every aspect possible.

      This is being driven by industry and political aspirations – a evil and deadly combo for freedom and liberty.

    • jeff

      I can help you guys out by solving the issues you have with the Mexicans.. pls contact me via email. Thank you.. AM jeff

      • Mike

        Jeff what is your email. I would love to talk with you.

      • Rula

        Please Jeff how would you be able to help as travelling to Mexico soon? Thank you

      • Jorge U.

        I was also denied entry at Tijuana Mx airport on March 2016; Inquiring how to deal or solve with this problem . I have a 314 misdemeanor conviction in 2003, urinating in public, charged with indescent exposure.

      • randy

        Jeff, I saw your post above and would like some info. please contact me if possible.

  4. j

    You can thank Dan Lungren for that.

    • Anonymous Nobody

      Actually, look to Adam Schiff, former prosecutor who has spent his entire career at every level climbing up the ranks on the backs of former sex offenders, from prosecutor, to state legislature, to Congress. He has never stopped, year in and year out pushing for ever more crap to be imposed on sex offenders. And now he is in Congress.

      Its so ironic, as he likes to pretend to be a liberal.

  5. noname

    Once again the USSA (not a typo) is playing big brother and world cop. I have a few years of probation left and I am hoping to leave this S@#%hole of a country even if I have to buy a boat and sail away.

  6. Joe

    I think it would be helpful if those posting their stories here – thank you for that – would include their state of residence and the registration rules they fall under. More specifically, were they required to provide 21-day advance notification for International Travel under SORNA and this sort of thing happened.

    Since California has no advance travel notification requirement it would be interesting to see if there is difference in travel between AWA and non-AWA states.

  7. Tired of hiding

    Our own government is a war against us and has given us the designation as a threat to not only our country by forcing us to be on a list BUT is now telling foreign countries that we are a threat!

    Our government is betraying us. Since they are declaring a war on us, taking away our ability to travel effectively makes us PRISONERS OF WAR!

    It is our duty as American’s to fight this injustice. Our government no longer represents us but is a hostel entity who we must fight against for our very freedom that they continue to strip away bit by bit!

    • Bruce

      Yes & We were just the first to see if America would fall for “It’s for the Children” Hitler routine now it’s Every one Putin & Obama too every politician has used this LADDER to climb to Congress & senate. I just sent Jessy Ventura a e-mail asking since You are saying there is a gov. Conspiracy against the people & You May run for prez. in 2016 You Obviously see the ramifications behind ANY REGISTRY, Is Control, Corruption & Greed. Would He upon election remove all public registries in the name of the US Constitution & so Americas Families can recover from this Gross Corruption of Our Country. No Reply,,,Yet? Probably Won’t get one But hey He was saying about registering FArms & registering this & that & Agenda 21,,So I just was askin’? lol

  8. Anonymous

    My 1992 felony offense was expunged over a year ago. I am officially “not guilty” of the crime, however I am still required to register in California. I am planning a trip to Cancun this August and am starting to get very nervous. I have visited many times in the past, but am concerned I may be turned away this time. Has anyone is this situation (conviction expunged) successfully visited Mexico since Jan 1st, 2014?

    • Richard

      You won’t get in… sorry to tell you! I just (Dec 20, 2013) got turned around.. and I also have a dismissal/expunment… it does not matter! as long as you are “flagged” by the US government you are OUT OF LUCK! I have gotten my latest copy of my DOJ files showing my dismissal, trying to find a good Mexican American lawyer who may have access to the Mexican Consulate here in Sacramento and see if he will represent me to the Mexican Government… wish me luck and I’ll let everyone know how it goes… it will be a process and time consuming I think!

    • Anonymous Nobody

      The key is to know who the US is targeting for this. RE an expungement, the federal government does not recognize that, so who they target will not be affected by an expungement.

      Is the US targeting all registrants, or just those required under federal law to register. What about someone in one state who has to register for only 120 years, but in California for life — is the one targeted for only 10 years, but the one in California for life? Or are they both handled according to the minimum time frames the federal government has set up for registration, and only forth offenses the federal government requires registration?

      For instance, California requires registration for indecent exposure, but I believe the federal government does not.

      Re your Cancun trip, I recommend you contact the Mexican consulate and see about getting a visa before you go.

    • Tommy Jackson

      29may2014 just got denied entry of cancun

      • Eddie M.

        Sunday, June 22, 2014
        Was denied entry to Cancun while traveling with my sister and a friend. The officials were cordial and not in the least condescending. So were the custom officers in Houston. Still I feel so embarrassed and ashamed. Eddie M.

  9. Dr

    I have in the past traveled to Baja on cruise ships many time. I am from California and never had a problem. I hope this is not going to last.

  10. AS

    It seems disgraceful that so many registrants have no information of their international rights to travel.
    To read that registrants suffer needless shame and wasted finances due secret shenanigans by our own government is appalling.
    Have these US citizens been lowered to a different strata of citizenship where justice and protection is no longer a benefit of our American heritage?
    Even if this is so, what about humanity and empathy for the oppressed registrants and their families?
    Shouldn’t all registrants be given as many tools to improve their lives as possible?
    Clearly, one of the major tools freely available should be factual information.
    To read here that registrants are grasping at straws for information from a secretive and punitive government is one of the most vile and deplorable things I’ve ever encountered.
    Shame on our statesmen!

  11. Jason Wilson

    I badly wanted to see Mexico, since recently living in El Cajon/San Diego. I thought it’d be a nice way to get away for the day or so…

    But no bueno until in absolutely know i can safely get into that country and come back without an issue, which i’m starting to think will never happen. As i see it, i may never experience what it’s like to leave the United States, because i won’t be allowed.

    • Tired of hiding

      Hey Jason. I am in L.A. and have not yet done a road trip across the boarder. Perhaps we should plan one together and see what happens just for the fun of it? You in? I am always ready to have “fun” with the system.

      We can report back what happens to our little group here and who knows…if we are denied perhaps we can start a class action case of some sort and Janice could represent us.

      We could take this all the way to the supreme court and at least get the light of day shining on this clearly covert BS that they are putting in place behind our back at this very moment!

      You in?

    • j

      This essentially constitutes a form of house arrest whereas we have had fundamental freedoms removed from us – apart from other classes.

    • Anonymous Nobody

      Jason, as for a short trip from San Diego, you do not even need a passport if you drive across the border until you get far enough in, which technically is 60 miles, but the checkpoint is actually a bit farther in than that.

      From San Diego, you can go well south of Ensenada with just your driver’s license and birth certificate. Mexico isn’t even going to check you at the border. The US only after 9-11 started to require a passport to come back from Mexico, but only for those who are flying. You still do not need one if you are driving (or walking).

      But if you go too far, you will need to get a visa.

      I believe if you drive rather than fly, you still don’t need a passport for Mexico unless going for more than 30 days. You should be able to drive in with just a driver’s license and birth certificate, and go as far in as you want to drive, getting the visa at the 60-mile checkpoint.

      But that is simply one isolated circumstance. This does not address all the other countries out there and reasons you might want to travel to them sometime in your life.

      • t

        miss informed back in 2007 i came across the border with just my driver lic it was just after the law was passed you had to have a pass port to come back in there were sings every saying that drivers lic was no longer valid for reentry the agents let me in only after a check on me that was digging deep they warned me that next time i needed a passport

    • Paul

      In February, I walked into TJ from the San Diego side, without any issues whatsoever. Walking over is literally just that…you walk through a turnstile, and enjoy the rest of the your day in TJ.

      Getting back is a different story. After waiting in line for three and a half hours, my wife and I finally made it to passport inspection. The moment the CBP officer scanned my passport, I was sent off to secondary. Luckily, I only waited for 5 minutes after which, an officer asked what my purpose in Mexico was. I told him that my wife and I had spent the day in TJ, and that was it! I was free to go.

      Now, as for flying…yes, you do need a passport. Last May (2013), my wife and I landed in Cabo to celebrate our 5th anniversary. The Mexican passport inspection official scanned my passport and advised me that my “passport has been flagged by CBP”. I was taken to a little office and asked about the details of my visit. After spending about 10 minutes answering their questions, I was allowed in. Guess I was one of the lucky ones to make it through, as it seems they’ve clamped down entirely.

      Hope that helps!

  12. j

    This group is being unconstitutionally discriminated against by all of these agencies. There is no equal protection of the law. It violates ex post facto punishment. It essentially forbids us from traveling without fear of unjust prosecution. When these actions are taken against this group of people years after their sentences are complete, it constitutes punishment.

    If there is something we can do, let us coalesce on this issue since it is not only travel to Mexico, it is a complete undermining of our human rights. I have not researched this yet, but unless there is a method for each individual to be afforded a risk assessment, it is totally unconstitutional unless it applies to anyone who has ever been convicted of any felony. People such as drunk drivers – for example – can get drunk in another country and kill someone, thereby presenting “grave danger” and thus countries should be warned accordingly as per the intentions of the law.

    I will contact JB this week to see if we can concentrate on this issue, and focus contributions to address this issue. This is so fundamentally wrong in so many aspects, it is critical that we address it in order to start tipping the balance in our favor or at least to begin to neutralize the effects of fear mongering that is not based on actual danger, only the inertia and rhetoric of these laws.

    Sorry for the disconnected post but this is one of the most fundamental and profound crimes being committed against us under the color of law and if we
    don’t address this, we may be subject to continued expansion and escalation of
    these human rights abuses.

    • Anonymous Nobody

      I agree with you. But it is a very tricky topic. Once you cross that border, you left your Constitution behind.

      Still, the problem here is the US has changed what it does regarding what info it sends to other countries. What those other countries do with that info is up to them, but if it is thrown in their face, they are a lot more likely to react to it. Also, there has been an international crackdown on sex offenders, with many countries piling on. I’m not sure what international agreements and treaties might be signed relating to this.

      The harassment upon return is out of line. They pretend it is just a search allowed of anyone at Customs, but in fact you are being flagged and singled out and targeted for an automatic search designed to do nothing other than harass you — and that is VERY different from the justification for Customs having the power to search. In fact, plain and simple harassment is illegal. But try to prove what it is.

    • Harold Titen

      Have you made any progress with your investigation. After many trips to Puerto Vallarta we were turned away yesterday and forced to fly back home immediately.

  13. dnatale

    I’m currently working with a Mexican immigration attorney to help me gain entry to Mexico and here’s what you said about some of the post :

    Well now we know. The goal is to get you off the Mexican exclusion list.
    You have done a lot of valuable research which will make my job easier. Let me review my previous quotation and I will revise it downward to reflect the fact that it will take me less time to prepare for the legal actions necessary.

    Regards,

    John

    • Richard

      That is what I am attempting to do! good for you.. I’ve not yet found an attorney maybe if you are successful you’ll give me your attorneys name??!! please keep us all informed and good luck!!

    • jeff leclere

      I was turned back just one week after all this went into affect. june 1st 2013. I was so upset that they just called me out on the plane, took me and with 5 people did the same to most. Once I got back to Golden, CO, I got 3 attorneys. One in CA; Jacob J Sapochnic He took about 1000, worked on it with Mexican Consulate for 6 months They came back with its an order from OUR US Gov. and until things change hear you are stuck.
      one in CO attorney said Homeland DHS did this and Cancun. This is what cancun said
      Dear Mr. Leclere:

      About your immigration matter, in order to resolve this legal matter all the official documents related to the feloney need to be translated to spanish, i you have it, we also need the Court Sentence in which you where acquitted of the crime or if you serves the sentence.

      All the documents need to be translated, certified by a Notary and apostille, so that we can promote your case to Immigration Offices and Criminal Intelligence Center of México (call Platform).

      If by any case you can not translate the documents, we can do it here, but the certification by the Notary and apostille must be done in United States.

      Saludos cordiales,

      Jimena Bracamonte Domínguez

      Bracamonte Casares S.C.

      Tel. (998) 887 72 46 Y 892 13 68

      jimena.bracamontecasares@gmail.com

      After all this and 10-15K later I will just wait until we are all one big happy family. I this the US is BS.
      Jeff

    • PK

      @John Could you possibly clue me in as to who your Mexican Immigration Lawyer is?
      xxmiamisk8terxx@yahoo.com

  14. mch

    @ Jason and Tired;

    I travel into Mexico at the San Ysidro crossing about 4-6 times a year. Driving into Mexico has never been a problem…yet. The Mexican side of the border there has been remodeled to look a lot like the American side, just on a much smaller scale, but with more automatic weapons. I’ve found everything in Rosarito to be fabulous, the people are gracious and they love American dollars! I’m there for only 2-3 days, then I come home, leaving at 4 a.m. to cross the border back into Amerika. I always go to secondary inspection/holding. When I’m with others, I’ll hop out and walk the border so they’re not waiting for me, then meet them on the other side. So far the border cops have been ok, routine search, no hassles. I carry the required paperwork with me, my current registration, release from probation and proper ID, including a Veteran’s ID card, for what it’s worth. I was also issued a Redress Control Number, but hasn’t made traveling home or crossing the border any easier. Walking into Mexico shouldn’t be a problem, catch a cab into Rosarito, better hotels, better streets than TJ and appears much safer. I’ve been going now for the past 4 years and little to no problems. Good luck if you choose to go.

    • Joe

      According to what law does “required paperwork” include ” current registration, release from probation”?

    • Anonymous Nobody

      mch, are you using your passport at the border? Because you don’t need it for that trip. This might give us a clue about the flagging.

      You can make that trip with only your driver’s license and birth certificate – -you only need a passport from returning form Mexico if you are flying. The US will not even know about it, so is not sending any info. But if you are getting nailed at the border, then perhaps your passport is flagged on a chip on the passport? If so, at least for that trip, don’t use it.

      And that gives us a first clue about how we are being flagged. Maybe the US isn’t even sending info, has it flagged on a chip on the passport — worth knowing. Please give us feedback. And if it is on the passport, we need to find out what it says — because they are questioning people at the other countries. Hey, maybe it says nothing other than “sex offender.” They might not even know what the charge was! We need to figure this out.

      • Tim

        The purpose of the GAO report is to close those loop holes and get every registrant who crosses a border, by whatever means, tagged, by sharing information between various agencies.

        • Tim

          Sounds like the next step is to put tracking chips in our bodies.

          • td777

            Yeah, that’s when I quit registering and disappear.

            • Timmr

              The government already has the capability to track you by cell phone, so I guess they really don’t need to implant a chip because we willingly carry one. And the NSA does have everyone’s phone records and they do share it with the FBI, according to the Snowden leaks. Whether they think you or I are worth tracking is anyone’s guess, or, if they ever have tracked registered citizens using bulk data, I haven’t heard. Why wouldn’t they? As Snowden says, all they need is something like a phone number, which we provide them every time we register, and everything else is already there to be linked together. And as I mentioned before, I obtained a new phone number, and within a couple days, I got a visit from the interrogators. It may have been a coincidence, but I have a hard time believing in coincidences anymore. By the way, I think GPS are used not because they are the best way to track people, but because they are another way to humiliate, kind of like shackles or the pillory of old.

    • Kyle Mason

      I just read your blog. I am on parole as an RSO and off in 20 months. I have been going to Rosarito prior to my charge and love it.. So much that i want to live there when parole is done.

      I have the steady income and savings to live well there. It appears still that I can just drive right in even though I will have my passport and all legal docs. I plan to use a tourist visa for 180 days at first and just keep renewing it. Do you see any problems I may encounter?

      • TiredOfHiding

        Yes, there is a clear problem. By renewing your tourist visa for multiple times you are in fact breaking the law and/or abusing the intended use of the extension. Do the research and you will find that although it might be typically “over looked” by immigration authorities it is in fact not legal and you could be prevented re entry at anytime (even if you buy and legally own an apartment or home there.)

        If you try to go the legal route and get residency you will need to have an FBI background check submitted to immigration which will show you criminal history and sex offender status. You will not be given residency as a result.

        Combine that fact with the operation “angel watch” program AND NOW the just passed International Megan’s Law (which is sure to be signed by Obama) and you have little chance of your intended plan working.

        • Timmmy

          Not true on “breaking the law.” While there is laws about renewing, the immigration officer can use discretion and allow you to renew.

          I found this out when some time ago I cancelled a permit, and immediately asked for another being ignorant of law.

          The immigration officer explained me by law there, was a two day waiting period before getting another. However he went ahead and gave me another permit on the spot.

        • PK

          @TiredOfHiding “If you try to go the legal route and get residency you will need to have an FBI background check submitted to immigration which will show you criminal history and sex offender status. You will not be given residency as a result.”

          I think that would depend on his conviction and how good of a immigration lawyer he could obtain. I think any one of us attempting to gain residency in another country would definitely need to have an immigration attorney from that country.

          • TiredOfHiding

            Yes, it all can depend on just how “third world” the country is as to how much the look the otherway. Yes, most certainly an attorney would be needed to at least tell you how much the bribes would be.

            At any rate your results will depend on how well connect your lawyer is and if you can afford the entire thing. Either way you will need luck and a truck load of pesos!!

            But good luck and I hope you do get out!

            • PK

              That’s pretty much what I gathered from the Lawyer there. Staying out is the challenge.

      • PK

        It could work if you get married in Mexico. Because that country considers marriage and family above all else. FYI i got this info from a Mexican Lawyer.

        • PK

          You would obviously need to marry a Mexican Citizen. And by no means would be smooth-sailing. I would definitely recommend seeking Mexican Counsel.

        • Jason

          Also regarding marriage: If your conviction falls under Adam Walsh, then you cannot sponsor your spouse for a green card. (This is being challenged in the courts)

          This just means you have to have someone fall in love with you who is willing to never live in the US.

          • PK

            Someone else shared that previously, that’s definitely important to know for a lot of us.

            He should explain to his future wife that’s it’s just not worth it to live in the US, especially with life on the Registry. And there’s really no culture here anyway, and the quality of life isn’t what it used to be.

            I think the challenging part about his story is that he remains on parole for the next 20 months. I’m not clear if life on the Registry will improve by then.

            • Jason

              @PK “I think the challenging part about his story is that he remains on parole for the next 20 months”

              Absolutely. There will be court decisions, a new President, and a new Congress by the time 20 months is up. Any advice given today will have to be confirmed or updated.

        • Timmmy

          The problem is you have to show evidence you are in the country legally before you can get married in Mexico. The you have to get permission from the government to do so.

          • PK

            Hi Timmmy,

            I was wondering if you could elaborate on this a bit?

            Was it you who mentioned that you DID get married to a Mexican Citizen in Mexico?

            Regarding the Visa Residencia Temporal after Marriage:

            I believe someone posted previously that Mexico requires Foreigners to actually leave Mexico, and go to the Mexican Consulate within their country, in order to receive the Visa Residencia Temporal. They then could return to Mexico and I think pick-up the Visa in Mexico.

            I’m somewhat confused about that process when it comes to marriage.

            I could have sworn that I read that for the case of Marriage Only, the foreigner is NOT required to return to their Home Country to visit the Mexican Consulate for the Visa Residencia Temporal. For all other instances, they ARE required to return to their Home Country to visit the Mexican Consulate.

            I really don’t think it would be a good idea to return to the US, given everything that has transpired. I would absolutely prefer to do everything in Mexico, with a Mexican Attorney.

            I would really appreciate anyone with accurate and up-to-date information about this.

            • Timmmy

              Some years ago I had inquired about getting married in Mexico. We went to the office that deals with that. Even before they would speak to me, I had to show them I was in the country legally, meaning a Visa, or a tourist permit was fine.

              It turns out before a foreigner can marry a Mexican citizen you have to get permission first from the federal government.

              However many laws have changed since then. I have not looked into the Marriage thing since then.

              However I do know if you are married to a Mexican citizen you do not have to leave the country anymore to get a visa. Spouses of Mexican citizens automatically qualify for a two year residency visa.

              http://www.inm.gob.mx/static/Tramites_LM/Autorizacion_Visas_LM/Visa_unidad_familiar.pdf

              I have been reading about those going to Mexican Consulates for visas, and it seems they require a background check, fingerprints, etc.

              I did hear about one office that does not require it..maybe it was in San Diego, but I am not sure.

              If you are already in the country and getting the visa, there is no background check. However, when filling out the request for the visa it does have the question if you have a criminal history. From what I have been reading, there is no evidence they are even checking if this is true , or not.
              You could blame it on limited Spanish if you made a mistake on answering some questions.

              The visa process is done online now, and you keep checking the same web site for checking an appointment with immigration, or a denial notice.

              http://www.inm.gob.mx/index.php/page/Solicitud_de_Estancia

              The problem for many , I am sure if getting permits to allow you into the country.

              I am married to a Mexican citizen, but we got married in the US., but will probably divorce in Mexico soon since she can’t go to the US (entry without inspection and back in Mexico now). Maybe I should hit her up for residency.

              • PK

                Thanks Timmmy,

                From what I’ve read, you should be eligible for automatic permanante residnecia after 2 years of having a temporalmente residencia.

                Without going into too many details, I’ve got some things covered. But I will definitely have a Mexican Lawyer with me at every stage in getting the temporalmente visa.

                My thing is that I would not feel inclined to return back there, being the US.

              • Timmmy

                I was reading elsewhere where they state you should tell immigration in Mexico you are getting the IMM for the purpose joining your spouse in Mexico to get residency.

                For those who are having issues getting into Mexico due to those notices, you may be able to still get in showing you are married to a Mexican citizen. But I am just taking a guess, and no means to know if they would still allow you into the country.

  15. Joe

    This is an outrage and smacks of East Bloc tactics of yesteryear. Let alone a colossal waste of resources in a country that packs 40 kids into one classroom.

    But! What possible law suit is there? American Citizens are NOT denied the right to travel. You get to leave the country just like anyone else. All the Government is doing is notifying Mexico. Of a public record. With an efficiency not seen by any government agency in the land – if only the DMV worked like that! It is then the Mexican Government that denies the traveler entrance to the country.

    Who are you gonna sue? The US Government? For pointing out the obvious – out of concern for our southern neighbor? If it saves one child. The Mexican Government? As a US Citizen? They can let into their country whoever they d*mn well please. Or not.

    Like so many things in the 290 world, this is brilliant. Its not really criminal, but sort of. Its not really us, but sort of.

    Playing devil’s advocate here.

    • Q

      Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws. Plato

    • wonderin

      To all of you who did a thumbs down on Joe’s ironical satire….?????????

      • Joe

        Satire? Hardly. Merely pointing out that this scheme is diabolical. The US Government is preventing you from international travel without prohibiting you from international travel. For a US Citizen there is really no target to attack – as the US is NOT preventing you from leaving the country. And you have no standing to sue a foreign, sovereign nation about denying entry.

        It is second only to the devil…. “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. – Keyser Soze”

        What is kind of ironic, though, is that – while everyone who comes to and posts on this site knows that the ultimate goal is to create a sub-class of citizens through punishment and shaming – even the government cannot be under the impression that they are succeeding to the point where over 800,000 people and their families stop traveling. They will just have to do so domestically and expose all these precious American children in vacation spots across the US of A to the very danger that they are so thoughtfully protecting foreign children from. And THAT is the black fly in their Chardonnay….

        Just calling it how it is…. kinda hurt by all the thumbs down… seriously.

        • wonderin

          I think I know satire when I see it:
          Satire: the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people’s stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
          “Who are you gonna sue? The US Government? For pointing out the obvious – out of concern for our southern neighbor? If it saves one child. The Mexican Government?”

          Now that sure quacks like a duck to me.

  16. Tim

    There appears to be collusion between the US government and these others, and yes, it is criminal. It violates international treaties on human rights. It’s in the category with extraordinary rendition. You get the other country to violate the target and you keep your hands clean.

    • Anonymous Nobody

      How could treaties on human rights apply to sex offenders? I was of the impression that sex offenders are not human, are some kind of subhuman, so they can’t possibly have human rights. They must be subhuman, as that is how they are treated.

    • David Kennerly

      Not only is it collusion but it is collusion by multiple governments, one of which is sworn to uphold the rights of its own citizens.

      • Timmr

        I just don’t see what Mexico is getting out of this besides loosing a few tourist dollars? Maybe it is like fighting the American drug war on our behalf, they get a lot of nice, shiny military equipment out of it? Be nice if some reporter would go there and interview some of the officials anonymously and find out about this.

        • PK

          They’re working together now. This was highlighted by the fact that now they allow armed US Custom Officers into Mexico, where there is a new facility to scan cargo heading for the US. Also there is now enhanced cooperation with law enforcement and the Attorney Generals from both countries. Plus the fact that the US paid for a brand new immigration facility at the Tijuana Border, where they now check all pedestrians going into Mexico.

        • mch

          Timmr;
          What Mexico has gotten so far by bending over for the USA is a brand new state of the art US tax payer funded $500 million border crossing and countless officials paid off with our money. US border agents and Mexican border agents now work hand in hand at the border as I have observed while crossing back into California at San Ysidro. When American dollars are involved, citizen’s rights don’t exist.

        • David H

          The US controls through money–we buy their weapons to fight our drug wars and now we are upgrading their borders for them with our tax dollars

          What else would a undeveloped country do with a two ton gorilla on its border!

  17. Craig

    This is just not a Mexico issue but many countries now will not allowed you entry, does not matter what the crime was, as long as you are on the registry you are forbidden to go any where it seems.

    Until the 100s of thousand rise up there will be no change, it will continue to get worse if that even seems possible.

    I for one have been off probation for a couple of years but am still a prisoner in my so-called country.

    Where the heck are the 800,000 thousand or so register citzens, why will they not fight?

    • j

      I’ve been off probation for 22 years and it still seems to apply, even though I was never barred from any minors outside of the case, allowed to raise my four children as a single parent, etc. I heard rumors long ago that Federal laws cannot be applied retroactively. Where is the teeth in that clause now?

    • Q

      Hi Craig;
      I’ve been wondering that my self. It seems anyone that does anything related to their RSO status does it for their self. The closest thing I have seen that resembles unity is the CA-RSOL meetings. I feel unity there, but after I leave I feel like I am flying solo again. Really, It;s more like networking.

      I think most expect Janice and a few others to do all the work, and it should not be that way. Personally, I would love nothing more than a few opportunities to rock the boat and see politicians/lawmakers/police chief’s, etc called upon to justify their actions.

      I would love to ask some questions; and if nothing happens, other than getting people to actually think for themselves, I would feel like I accomplished something.

      About the only thing I can and actually do is join discussions in the LAME STREAM MEDIA. I’ll go on to a site where hate is the order of the day and cite experience and empirical evidence that contradicts the established conception.

      I think it would be great if several thousand of us organized (possibly through CA-RSOL or RSOL National) letter writing campaigns to lawmakers and other elected representatives, as well as responding to articles in the media. I think this would make our voice heard beyond the courts and backrooms of Amerika. We need to step up to the table as a organized group. There is strengths in numbers. United we stand, divided we fall, etc! Our anonymity would remain secure too!

    • Anonymous Nobody

      Craig, how do you know that that it does not matter what the offense was? I wonder if the receiving countries are even told what the offense was.

      We need to figure out what they know. Then, we need to determine if the particular offense you were nailed on makes a difference.

      We also need to know if this is everyone registering everywhere, or only those within the federal time limits for mandatory registration, and only on the offenses for which the Feds require registration. If it is everyone on a registry, not dealt with according to the federal mandates, then it is VERY challengeable as a violation of equal protection, as someone in Colorado is not hounded by this as long as someone in California (actually, I just arbitrarily said Colorado, but the point is some places like California are lifetime registration, and some are very limited in how long, and the feds require only 10 years for some offenses, but those are life in California — very unequal application of a federal law).

      If other countries are only being told you are on the registry, but not for what offense — well, we need to know that. Are they even being told when the offense occurred? If not, then they have to deal with even very old ones, maybe 30-40 years ago, and just a misdemeanor, as if they happened yesterday. We have to at least know that.

      What we cannot do is to walk into this blind.

  18. steve

    This new notification should be specific to those who have been busted for sex trafficking or have traveled abroad for sex with minors. They even write something to that affect in that “RSOITS” thing. Once again wide net cast for small number of offenders.

    • Tired of hiding

      No, there should be NOT notification. If an American citizen has a valid passport and is not on probation then he/she should be allowed to exercise their right for free passage where ever and whenever they wish.

      They should NOT have their own government (whom is supposed to be working for them as tax paying citizens) report their movements to foreign governments and claim that they are threats and should be turned away and denied entry.

      If the US government feels this way towards a particular individual then they should do a couple of things. First, do not give them a freaking passport. Second, lock them up.

      If you are not locked up…if you are not on probation…if you have a passport and can afford a ticket then you should be allowed to travel freely as any other citizen has the ability to do. Period

      • Tim

        You’re right, Tired of Hiding. What sort of message is that giving to other countries? Hey we have this dangerous person we are giving a passport to travel. Heck, we don’t know if he is really dangerous or not. You decide when he gets there. Kind of explains why, as has been posted here a few times, the agents in the other countries appear confused or sympathetic, but err on the side of caution. Flagged as dangerous? Yet they are sending them here? Aaay yai yai! Crazy American government.

    • j

      That would simply be too easy. It is about funding and building more and more infrastructure under the guide of fear created by lies. Plainly and simply.

    • Joe

      @steve – so you have no problem imposing blanket restrictions, basic rights infringements – possibly after the fact – on people that have committed crimes that you view in a certain way. How is that different from infringing on the rights – possibly after the fact – of 750,000 Citizens whose crimes are viewed by society a certain way? Maybe including yourself?

      Unless a restriction on International Travel is explicitly part of the sentence handed down to the individual by a judge, this is wrong for anyone not on Parole or Probation.

      Whether or not it is legal is a different question. In reality, even the Nazis never committed a single crime. Everything they did was according to the law. Food for thought.

  19. steve

    We can agree to disagree but those acts seem predatory to me.

    • j

      What acts are you referring to? The term predatory only appears once in this thread so far and that is your post. Robbery is predatory, stalking is predatory, carjacking is predatory, gang activity is predatory. The list goes on as author’s liberty allows.

    • Anonymous Nobody

      But the prison and parole system and EARNING release is supposed to mean they are reformed, and so their rights are restored. Why would you deny rights to someone who has reformed? And yet, you are unhappy that you are being denied rights because you feel you are reformed.

      Someone who has earned the restoration of their rights by showing through their sentence and parole (or probation) should have them.

  20. Alienated

    Does anyone know if it is all sex offenders or just child pornography related cases ?

    I read somewhere that child pornography RSO’s were flagged for outbound international travel but I am not sure.

    Who can we consult about this ?

    If anyone knows, let me know please.

    • out of luck

      If you’re RSO NO MATTER WHAT THE CHARGE ,Your FLAG in the system for international travel .

      The Flag send out reads “traveling sex offender “.

    • PK

      In Mexico they considered my Misdemeanor “Attempted Sexual Act” construed in Mexico as “Sexual Assault”. Isn’t that great?

  21. out of luck

    Read this document carefully.

    “NTC uses passenger data collected from the Passenger Name Record (PNR) and the Advance Passenger Information System (APIS). PNR data are collected when an individual books a flight, for example, from a travel agency or airline. Pursuant to regulations, APIS data are collected and sent by airlines as individuals check in for the flight and no later than the moment the aircraft’s doors are closed and secured for the flight (or no later than 30 minutes prior to that moment, if transmitted in batches), and by cruise lines 60 minutes prior to the ship’s departure from the United States and, for incoming vessels, at least 24 hours (at least 96 hours for voyages of 96 hours or more) prior to arrival at the U.S. port of entry.”

    “to determine whether a registered sex offender is on a particular flight, NTC determines whether any of the passenger data, such as name and date of birth, match any of the data in the FBI’s NCIC. However, NCIC may not always have complete information to enable NTC to determine if there is a match, in part because jurisdictions may enter information incorrectly or not at all because certain fields are not mandatory. In this case, NTC checks electronic public sex offender registries—which are not always up to date—to collect missing information, or calls relevant registry officials—which could take additional time.”

    “Specifically, FBI officials stated that, in collaboration with other IWG member agencies, they are developing a process that will send an automated notification to the U.S. Marshals’ NSOTC and registry and law enforcement officials in the jurisdictions where the sex offender is registered: (1) when a registered sex offender has purchased an airline or cruise ticket for international travel, (2) 1 week before the registered sex offender is scheduled to travel by commercial air or sea transport, and (3) when a CBP officer queries that person’s biographic information at a U.S. port of entry, such as any U.S. airport.”

    Source: http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/652194.pdf

    So mostly if you are an RSO, you are trapped in the United States it seems.

    • Tim

      I read this report. Depressing. They cite only two instances of abuse by traveling registrants. Is this another case of creating a massive bureaucracy to “regulate” registrants, when the majority of the offenses are committed by non registrants, so they look like they are doing something? Anyone have the figures on who commits the offenses outside the US? Again, I’m informed I have a trait I did not know I had. I’m now assumed to be a sex tourist by my government. If this is an accounting office, why don’t they account for any violations of the Constitution? Or the DOJ send these countries their statistics on the re-offense rates?

    • Anonymous Nobody

      That seems to suggest they find you on a registry, and so then go get some other info. So, if you no longer have to register, do you end up in the system anyway? Or are they simply looking at people on a registry list, and if you are not on it, end of review, they then don’t even check an FBI record? Do they put you in the federal system even if you have passed the time that the federal government requires registration for your offense (and it does not require registration for some offenses for which California requires registration) simply because your state continues to require you to register?

      Gee, if so, then Californian’s are in deeper sh– than most other states, as California has life registration, whereas most other states let you off. (I know in New Jersey, the home of Megan’s law, at least when it first started the registry, even the worst of the worst could simply stop registering after 15 years, did not even have to apply for that. And I believe that was 15 years after the conviction, not even 15 years of registration necessarily. Of course, now New Jersey has started lifetime parole for some more serious offenses.)

      I gather if you are Joe Shmoe in state 1, which does not require registration for indecent exposure, you will have no issues with this, you are free as a bird. But if you are John Doe of California, also convicted of indecent exposure, you are in big trouble because California does require registration for indecent exposure and for life. Doesn’t this sound like a blatant and screaming violation of the Equal Protection clause — this seems very ripe for a challenge, unless they are doing it according to the federal registration requirements rather than more severe requirements imposed by states, which would exclude all registration after the federal times for the offense and would exclude all offenses for which the federal government does not require registration?

    • Anonymous Nobody

      Quite irritating is that that entire system was sold to the public as a terrorist watch system. No one has ever mentioned registrants for that system. It looks like enow their budget will be mostly to harass registrants.

      It says that they are setting up an additional system to automatically notify the National Sex Offender Targeting Center (NSOTC) when you buy a ticket to leave the country.

      They will also alert the local law enforcement officials where the registrant lives! Why?! They aren’t involved in international travel!? And the traveler is already a registrant there, so they know he exists.

      And it looks like it is saying it will contact these places three different times: when you buy the ticket, a week before the flight, and when you return and Customs grabs you. At least the national people are nations. But why are the local people being notified at each and every step you take, it doe snot concern them — and so that is a serious violation of privacy. Gee, I never even let my next door neighbors know when I might be taking a trip — for privacy reasons! I sure don’t want people who are out to get time (the local jurisdiction) know anything, and that is my right.

    • David Kennerly

      Thank you for this. Page 39 provides a chart showing U.S. notifications to individual countries as well as if the foreign country subsequently refused the Registrant entry.

      • Geoff

        David, what document are you referring to in your post? Would you post the URL, please?

      • David

        The p. 39 graph covers a one-year period from 2011 to 2012. It would be very nice if we were able to get an updated graph to see what the current numbers are. Also, please note that this government report is from 2013 so it has been in place for three years. We are still traveling internationally. I just returned from Europe and had no problems at all. (My offense 20 years ago it was minor-related.)

  22. Bruce

    Well,,Now that’s settled Um,, What is their next move??? Is what scares Me! Now WE Are No longer free to leave the country,, ut people can jump our border with out impunity? What Gives?

  23. Bruce

    What if You Own a Sail Boat?& just set sail For international waters?lol

    • Bluewall

      I can answer this question because it happens… If you left for international waters in an American Registered boat (for fishing) and return back to American waters the US Coast Guard can and will stop the ship.. Fortunately they are pretty cool because of the technology at their disposal to track your vessel.. If your ship never left their radar or visual sight they can still do a basic routine stop before entering. Simple questions like “Did you catch anything? any information you wish to share (ie witnessing unusual activity, strange weather patterns, strange currents, wreckage) and generally they always asked “have you taken on a castaway or passenger from another vessel?” You show them your driver license, operator license, and vessel registration… I’m sure they can ask more questions if they see on their radar that you left their scope or if your vessel was very close or merged with another vessel…

      • Eric Knight

        For most people, this would probably be the end of it, but for registrants, I’m sure they would most probably escort you into port, seize your boat, then put you through the rigamarole to “prove” your innocence, then make you pay a hefty fee for the return of your boat.

        • Anonymous Nobody

          But the point of the OP is that the feds will never have collected and sent your info, so these people would not have that. So any stop and what they would do during that would be only what they would do to anyone else, not because you are a registrant.

  24. Bruce

    The minute Your warrant goes out they send a destroyer after you? ROTFL

  25. Observer

    I think a class-action lawsuit may be the only way to stop the government from this unconstitutional and irrational practice which looks to me to be a violation of human rights. I think statistics would prove that very few RSOs go on to become sex tourists.

  26. j

    Let all who are able send money to Janice earmarked for this effort.

    • Anonymous Nobody

      I think Janice and California RSOL are already overloaded at the state level. I think the national RSOL would be the more likely one for a national issue. Until we can conform (reduce) California’s registration and other related laws to the federal requirements, California RSOL must focus on California.

  27. Fight the fight

    There is also significant risk in doing nothing at all. As long as lawmakers and law enforcement think nobody cares what they do, they WILL continue to make things worse. But once we start to fight back we will begin to see change.

    Until former offenders take a stand against these encroachments on their liberties, however, things will continue to get worse.

    Nobody – absolutely NOBODY – deserves the humiliation of public registration. It is simply a government-sponsored form of harassment, and there is no clear evidence that public registration has been effective in preventing sexual abuse of minors or adults. Those of us who are in this fight must ALL pull together to fight public registration. If someone needs to be supervised in the interest of public safety, that supervision should be a part of his/her actual sentence, and does not need to be publicized to be effective.

  28. noname

    From all the reaserch that I could do online I have not found any indication that the International Megans law is in effect. ICE, DHS, CBP are doing it on their own and not under any law.

    • Anonymous Nobody

      They’re doing it under US law. And the other countries can do whatever they want with it under their laws.

  29. Fight the fight

    The courts do not have the authority to save us from bad policy choices made by our elected officials. They can only strike down laws that clearly violate the constitution. In that situation, it is OUR burden as the challenging party to demonstrate by the “clearest of proof” that a law is unconstitutional.
    When a particular state crosses that line and registration requirements become punitive, that the law should be challenged. Please understand that constitutional challenges are very expensive, because every state will vigorously defend its duly enacted laws. To undertake challenges all over the United States it takes the financial resources to do so. Everybody needs join and support .
    Do you know what the famous lawyer Jonney Cocheran told OJ. Simson in the US. ” You are innocent till your money runs out”

  30. IT WILL NOT STOP

    It will not stop. “Sex Offenders” are the new lepers of modern society. Many people believe that they are no longer humans. Look at the Jews in the Holocaust. Look at the early Christians in Rome. We must stand up and stand proud, and let everyone know that once our punishment is complete, we deserve the same respect that any other human being deserves, and should receive the same treatment from our government as any other US citizen.

  31. Tim

    Anyone gone to the ACLU or another rights advocacy group to see if a suit can be filed against this? Any ideas on what we can do?

    • Anonymous Nobody

      I haven’t seen the ACLU do much to stand up against registration ever since it really got going under the Clinton Administration. In fact, I blame such a group supposedly geared to civil rights to have been so wrong in ignoring and allowing what is arguably the biggest civil rights violation of our time. I do not hold out much hope for much help from them on this issue.

  32. THEY KEEP ADDING PUNISHMENT

    It ought to be, but public registration is not considered punishment, legally speaking. The United States Supreme Court and most state courts have deemed registration to be a “civil regulatory scheme” like the permit required to own a firearm, or earning a driver’s license. As a civil regulation, it can be changed at any time by your elected representatives.

    Most people, if you ask them, probably would say it IS punishment. Even some lawmakers agree. But the last time public registration was challenged all the way to the US Supreme Court, that court decided registration was NOT punitive. And at that time, it probably wasn’t. You mailed in an update once a year, and your picture was on the Internet. That’s it. But much has changed since then, and a new case must be taken to the Supreme Court to change that decision.

    • Tim

      “…nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb…”
      I see nothing about the difference between punishment and civil remedy in the fifth amendment. These laws are putting our lives and limbs in jeopardy, and for some, the loss of property without just compensation. Even sending a letter to let them know where you live is a form of pre-self incrimination that you do get formally punished for if you fail to offer up the information.

  33. Fight the fight STAND UP NOW

    AFTER supervision is complete, however, does the public have the right to:

    Track a person’s every move?
    Receive constant updates of personal information?
    Receive notifications when a former offender moves into the neighborhood?
    Know what vehicles a person owns or drives?
    Know where that person attends school?
    Know where that person is employed?
    The constitutionally-correct answer is a resounding “NO.” Until former offenders take a stand against these encroachments on their liberties, however, things will continue to get worse.

    • KathieG

      I agree. I just want to know how you imagine we might take this stand? Most people seem to be afraid to even come to meetings. We have over 100,000 registrants in California, and there are many more family members of same. Where are they when CARSOL has a meeting???

      • GET INVOLED

        As an individual, the biggest thing you can do is let your legislator know how these laws have impacted your life. Tell them what you have done to improve yourself as a person, how hard you have worked to move on, how certain you are that you are NOT a danger to ANYONE. Explain how doors are shut in your face when you apply for work, try to rent a room or apartment, or attempt to take classes at the local community college. If you are a member of your state’s advocacy group, they may be able to help you develop a public testimony for use at a hearing when a new law is introduced. Or perhaps there will be specific letters to write. The important thing is to GET INVOLVED. You can learn as you go along!

      • Tim

        KathieG, good point. I’ll write letters to our Senators. Not ready to talk before a committee, unless I get some coaching. One step at a time. The letter wouldn’t take much longer than posting a comment here, but be far more effective. A sample letter from CARSOL would be appreciated, but not necessary. It would be good to know how many registrants are convicted of crimes abroad, if it is like the offense rate in the States, it would be a good point to make, like Janice did in her sample letter against International Megan’s Law. I haven’t yet received any harassment for writing a letter against the International Megan’s Law. I don’t expect any. But I do have DOCUMENTATION for exercising free speech.

      • Bruce

        Scared of the stigma & afraid of what People will think of them & Possible Social retaliation & or being ostracized …So Social Punishment does trickle down to the families. When this Nation falls,,, it will be for the same reason “No One will stand up”! In fact We are already steam rolled By Corruption & politicians with some deep pockets & Big Friends in High Places.
        Basically “Their Scared” Difference is We are Beyond the scared part. Now it’s a legal fight. & We are Terrified,,Wait a minute,, This IS Social & State sponsored terrorism on U.S. Citizens that have paid the price Where’s The Law Now?????????

    • j

      These laws have unconstitutionally sanctioned transgressions against its own citizens. What else can be said. All of the above you mentioned are explicit and implicit attacks of us and our inherent rights as citizens. The law was set up as a volatile powder keg inviting vigilantism and the congress and legislators just step back and let it all manifest itself downstream so they can wash their hands of any harm that happens. Providing information is not a crime – as they put it – but they well know the implications of those actions and the subsequent harassment that we will be subject to. It is essentially conspiracy under the color of law. If they spent one fourth of the time protecting the rights of registrants as they do frenetically dismantling the constitution, we would have a fighting chance. Since we know that is not the case, we must strive for knowledge, freedom and justice.

      The sixty four thousand dollar question is how, but thanks to Janice, this organization and others like it, we have a forum and a chance at something real as we shed light on a very unpopular subject for elected officials when it comes to our rights, but a slam dunk when it comes to election year rhetoric and chest beating by law enforcement.

    • Eric Knight

      I just noticed your post, and it’s excellent. The fact that the only ruling California has to follow for registration emanates from Smith v. Doe with regard to registration. Every other aspect you list would be considered punitive in non-registrant-related issues, so a good attorney can argue those points in Federal court.

      It would be more involved than arguing against individual violations, such as the municipal violations against registrants in parks, but it would focus the legality of the registry vs. the constitution more objectively from a judicial standpoint.

  34. I’M AFRAID OF SPEAKING

    to my representatives. Couldn’t I get arrested/seen on TV/harassed?

    It’s very unlikely that you will be arrested for communicating with an elected official, because that is your right. You are their constituent, and represent a potential vote for them in the next election. They will listen to you – even if they don’t much care for “sex offenders” as a whole. You simply can make an appointment with your representative, and talk with him/her in an office. Be on your best professional behavior, and share your message as concisely and clearly as possible. Will it change his/her mind? Maybe not – but no harm will come from it.

    Public testimony does carry some risk but you will not be arrested just for testifying at a hearing. Even people under supervision have that right. However, you might be recognized or your face could be shown on television. If you aren’t “out” with your employer or neighbors, or if law enforcement in your jurisdiction tend to be unfriendly to registrants, that could mean trouble. If this is a show-stopper for you, consider sending WRITTEN testimony instead.

  35. Update from Mexican Immigration Law Attorney

    I think we are all in agreement. Immigration needs to be formally petitioned. If they do not respond favorably, we need to file an amparo.

    In many countries, an amparo action is intended to protect all rights that are not protected specifically by the constitution or by a special law with constitutional rank, such as the right to physical liberty, which may be protected instead by habeas corpus remedies. Thus, in the same way that habeas corpus guarantees physical freedom, and the “habeas data” protects the right of maintaining the integrity of one’s personal information, the amparo protects other basic rights. It may therefore be invoked by any person who believes that any of his rights, implicitly or explicitly protected by the constitution, another law (or by applicable international treaties), is being violated.

    • Anonymous Nobody

      Its good that you might be able to do something — for what I’m afraid will be a lot of lawyer fees — to get into Mexico. But what is not good is that there is an entire world out there, and what is needed is to do something in the US. Otherwise, we would have to go through the process you are doing with every country we might ever want to go to — and that other country will have its own standards and values and might not grant us the relief. What a HUGE burden to have to do that who knows how many times, maybe 10, 20 times with various countries and a huge cost and long in advance of any trip, maybe years in advance.

      I see no reason or justification why any records other than arrest warrants or parole or probation notices (those are supposed to be the standard to show rehabilitation, so if you have not completed that yet, OK, they then would simply be notifying that you might not be rehabilitated) are being delivered to other countries.

  36. Regarding denied entry to Mexico

    Update from my Mexican Immigration Law Attorney.

    Action Plan

    Immigration needs to be formally petitioned. If they do not respond favorably, we need to file an amparo.

    In many countries, an amparo action is intended to protect all rights that are not protected specifically by the constitution or by a special law with constitutional rank, such as the right to physical liberty, which may be protected instead by habeas corpus remedies. Thus, in the same way that habeas corpus guarantees physical freedom, and the “habeas data” protects the right of maintaining the integrity of one’s personal information, the amparo protects other basic rights. It may therefore be invoked by any person who believes that any of his rights, implicitly or explicitly protected by the constitution, another law (or by applicable international treaties), is being violated.

    • Tim

      Who can file the petition and how? Is it for US immigration or the country in which one is denied entry? Both? Thank you.

  37. Denied entry to Mexico

    My Attorney still needs 2 to 3 weeks to do the initial phase – the legal study as to the existing body of law and the application of that body to my situation in particular. This work product would be presented to me as a written report. Assuming that his study indicates that we have a decent chance of prevailing in the Courts. Than Immigration in Mexico needs to be formally petitioned. If they do not respond favorably, we need to file an amparo in Mexico.

  38. Bruce

    These LAWS Are Gov. & State Sponsored Terrorism on a Group “Class Of People” HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS EVERYWHERE!

  39. Foreigners may be barred from the country ( Mexico) if their

    their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)

  40. Alienated

    Hot off the Press This is 51 pages. I have not read it all yet but will start to understand it a little better with more time.

    http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/652194.pdf

  41. noname

    My question is what if you were subject of a entrapment internet sting and there was no victim? And it is the only trouble you have been in your entire life? How and what information about how they assess you?

  42. mch

    Just an FYI regarding the GAO report; Last paragraph, pg 31: DHS is, I repeat, IS trying to come up with a notification plan for people (similarly situated as me, a registered citizen) leaving the US and going south via land. I fully expect that there will be some sort of electronic system of notification or recognition, and/or a US ICE border stop going into Mexico very soon. It’s going to be quite interesting, quite expensive and quite sad. Damn, I’m going to have to sneak into Mexico? Sumthin just ain’t rite!

    • Anonymous Nobody

      Gee, I don’t see how that could even work. No one stops you going south by land. You are stopped only trying to enter the US from the south.

      And I note, the line of cars to get back in can be a parking lot for many hours. If they were to start checking people going in, it would be the same going south — and I can assure you, Mexico would be a big loser as people would simply stop going there by car, no local trips to northern Mexico, and big loss for them. I’d love to see the US try it — the public would go into an uproar.

  43. National Sex Offender Targeting Center (NSOTC)

    Resources
    International Travel Form

    The Supplemental Guidelines for Sex Offender Registration and Notification require sex offenders to report their international travel 21 days prior to departing the United States. The U.S. Marshals Service’s National Sex Offender Targeting Center (NSOTC), with the assistance of the SMART Office and INTERPOL, created the Notification of International Travel of Sex Offender form. This fillable PDF enables a seamless transfer of information from a jurisdiction’s registry to the respective destination country.

    The most recent version of this form is on the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act (SORNA) Exchange Portal. The Institute for Intergovernmental Research, which developed and maintains the portal, is now working on a process for international travel notification that is similar to the Offender Relocation Tasks feature used for interjurisdictional travel. In addition, the form has been distributed to State, territory, and tribal sex offender registry officials and has been posted on INTERPOL’s RissLEADS server (a secure, electronic bulletin board) and on the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Law Enforcement Online (LEO) Special Interest Group (SIG) portal under INTERPOLUS.

    Enhanced Tribal Card
    Some tribal nations have developed an enhanced tribal card (ETC) to be used for non-air travel between the United States, Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, and Bermuda. This secure photo ID has been approved by U.S. Customs and Border Protection for use during entry into the United States. If relevant, please be certain to include the ETC number on the international travel form, either under “passport number” or “other information.”
    An “email” button on the form makes it easy for users to submit the form directly to NSOTC. The email subject line should read “Sex Offender Travel Notification” to speed up processing. NSOTC will process the information and submit it to INTERPOL.

    Upon receipt of the form, INTERPOL will notify the destination country. Unlike other notices, this is for informational purposes only and does not require action on behalf of the receiving country.

    This streamlined form will make it easier for registration agencies to forward the required information in a timely manner, in accordance with the terms of the supplemental guidelines. If you have any questions, please contact NSOTC at 202–616–1600 or IOD.NSOTC@usdoj.gov.

  44. I can not find any new law from last year.

    Someone mentioned at one point that a new law was passed last December in Mexico which prompted Mexican Immigration to start checking the passenger lists. I can not find any new law from last year. From what I can tell, this system has been in place now for a number of years.

    Please let me know what it is that happened last December. Perhpas it was not a law but rather some kind of presidential decree to order Immigration to step up enforcement of provisions that already existed previously.

    • Richard

      It wasn’t a new law, it was the (newly elected Pres./congress members etc.) new government that came into power and decided to enforce the law and it went into effect in Dec 2013 .. at least that is what I was lead to believe?!?!

  45. Anonymous

    I am not in California but on the registry in the Midwest. I have found this site helpful. My guilty plea from 2011 has been expunged. My victim was an adult from sending inappropriate text messages. I can confirm the above stories about being pulled off the plane in Cancun. I was questioned by Federal police officers, and of course denied entry in February 2014. The immigration guy who met my plane was very friendly as was the airline rep. I demanded they hold the plane I came on for me which they did. I did not want to spend the night in the holding room. The police told me their President/Congress initiated an act in December to deny all registrants and some felons. They said Homeland Security informs their office in Mexico City we are coming and they confirm via the flight manifest. They said they have 4-5 per day and all are denied. Don’t know why they even asked the questions they did.

    I did check with Mexican consulates in US before I left and they said no problem. US consulate in Cancun said they had heard of it happening. Even for people with multiple DUI’s. I did do a SORNA report 21 days before I left which probably triggered alerts as well but it is the law here.

    They told me in a Mexico I would be allowed in when off the registry, but don’t try again before that. Lost a lot of money even though wife stayed with our friends. My advice to those planning Mexico trip is to change plans. I need to go to Finland in the fall and am now nervous about that. Good luck to all and keep fighting the fight.

    • Anonymous Nobody

      I am gathering that you still have to register in your state despite your expungement? So, as previously stated by some people in this thread, being on the registry is what sparks it, not some review of criminal records generally. (Maybe.)

      However, I am surprised to hear it also applies to non-sex offense felonies — so maybe they do review criminal records generally, not just the registry. Do they send all felonies to these countries too (not that I have one, just trying to find out what is being sent)? So then this going beyond sex offenses? This is worth knowing — for one thing, it might make for more people than simply sex offenders to join to fight it.

  46. Anonymous

    I researched going to Mexico as thoroughly as I could from December to January 2014 and found no reason to believe there would be any type of problem entering mexico. Even found an official fed gov report written by homeland security that showed mexico denied entry to less than 5 people in 2012 when notified by the homeland security of criminal histories.

    I downloaded 12 images by accident back in 2003 and are registered in florida, just the truth. Were found in a unrelated legal matter. Should have erased them, but knew you really can’t erase anything. Should have just thrown away the computer, but I didn’t.

    I signed a two lease for a condo in Cancun starting in April of 2014. Shortly after signing the lease I started seeing reports that things seemed to be changing, that mexico was denying entry to people being registered after being notified by homeland security. They scan all passenger lists for planes and ships and notify countries of US citizens traveling.

    Getting concerned, before waiting till April with everything packed to go to Cancun, I thought I better take a test flight to see if what would happen.

    So in late January I arranged a 3 day trip to Cancun, made reservations in hotels and everything. By the time I left, I was almost certain from what I had been reading I would be denied entry.

    And that’s what happened. Just as I had recently read what happened to others happened to me. As soon as the plane landed, mexican immigration boarded the plane and asked that I come to front of the plane.

    They took me inside, spoke to me and asked questions for about 15 minutes and I was told I was being put back on the plane I came in on. The plane I came in on was from Ft. Lauderdale, but it when in left cancun it was going to Detroit. So ended up in -10 detroit, but that was the least of my concerns.

    From everything I’m reading now, mexico has gone from denying entry to a handful of people a year to 20 – 30 a day, most likely for more than just being registered, but couldn’t say that for sure.

    One recommendation, if anyone wants to go to a sunny Caribbean climate without having to be concerned if you can get in or not, Puerto Rico is the place to go, part of the US, and you need no passport.

  47. Anonymous

    This is just enraging. The US Government has just denyed the right to travel outside of the country to 750,000 of it’s citizens. How many people out there can still say that the registry is NOT punishment?

    • Joe

      That is incorrect. The US Government is not denying anyone the right to travel. All they are doing is notifying another country of a traveler with a conviction which is public record. Purely out of neighborly concern.

      It is then the Mexican government that denies entry into their own country for certain persons, which is the right of any government to do.

      Quite clever. Being enraged about it is not going to change a thing.

      • Tim

        And what sort of “incentives” is the US giving Mexico to keep us out. Geez, they have enough of their own people beheaded in drug turf wars to worry about a lone former sex deviant visiting Texcoco. Dig deeper in the mud.

  48. anonymous

    Joe,
    thanks for the correction. I an assuming that the U.S. is also notifying Mexico of traveling convicted murderers, arsonists, and bank robbers, etc? We are surely not being singled out. My main point would be that the registry is punishment, and it gets scarier every day, especially when you live in a state that has condemmed you to life on the list with no way to ever get off of it. It’s a life sentence of continuing and worsening punishment

    • Joe

      Of course it is punishment. Anyone who has ever spent a single day on this list knows it. As well as their families.

      Except that it isn’t. According to Doe v. Smith.

      According to Doe v. Smith it is NOT punishment to broadcast to your neighbors and the world your past crime in addition to a current photo, current address, weight, license plate, employer, medical history(scars), everything short of your Social Security Number. To invent ‘crimes’ for paperwork oversights that may net you more time in prison than your original sentence. To keep you from picking up your children from school or setting foot in the park that your taxes pay for. None of it is punishment.

      Given the above, merely informing, Interpol (see comment below) about foreign travel seems like, not punishment.

      The bottom line is, until Doe v. Smith is overturned and the registry rightfully exposed as punitive to the extreme nothing is going to change. All efforts, difficult and brave they may be, are just fixing a hole in a deluge.

      Accomplishing, even attempting this, is a huge undertaking requiring organization, support and resources. If ‘you’ are waiting for ‘someone’ to do it – good luck.

      If not you, who? If not now, when?

      • Eric Knight

        Actually, Smith v. Doe does NOT include most of those other actions. The only actions Smith v. Doe has stated was allowed constitutionally was for inclusion on an Internet registry for your address, and that your registration renewal would be no less inconvenient than filling a price club application. Every other aspect of registration, such as residency restrictions, travel restrictions, etc., are by definition NOT constitutional because Smith v. Doe does NOT specify those restrictions.

        While an opinion can be considered the final word, the point is that the final word ONLY applies to the specifics of the scheme, NOT to the actions that legislators and politicians enact to enforce the scheme. Indeed, the dissents and even the concurrences all acknowledge that the registration scheme was legal (regulatory) BECAUSE none of the actions that would be construed as illegal (punitive) were present in the 2002 arguments. Indeed, the SPECIFICITY of the arguments HIGHLIGHTED this fact.

        Travel restrictions can be considered within the punitive realm in this regard. The bottom line is that if ONLY registrants are being denied, then it should be challenged. If other ex-felons are not being denied, but most (if not all) registrants are denied, then it’s a violation of the intended result of Smith v. Doe, and opens up the registry to a new challenge to the US Supreme Court.

        • Joe

          It is my understanding that Smith v. Doe established the fact that all consequences borne out of the registration requirement are regulatory, and as such, non-punitive. Be that the internet listing, residency restrictions or else.

          How come, then, if Smith v. Doe were truly this narrow, requirements other than the internet listing and filling out the Price Club application have not successfully been challenged?

          To stay within the topic of this article it is important to note that there is no travel restriction or denial of travel for registrants not under supervision. None. Many states have a travel notification requirement (domestic and international) and in this case the government merely issues a notification. Quite different from, say, a residency or presence restriction which makes it a criminal offense to violate.

          • Eric Knight

            Your point is taken, Joe, which actually emphasizes MY own point. The justices took great pains to define the reasons that the registry was NOT..at that time. Just sticking to the arguments of the concurrences: They argued that the registry was legal BECAUSE there were no travel restrictions; inference, had there been travel restrictions, they would have ruled the registry schema unconstitutional. They argued that the registry was legal BECAUSE there were no employment restrictions; inference, had there been employment restrictions, they would have ruled the registry schema unconstitutional.

            They didn’t even consider residency restrictions, Internet restrictions, or the Interstate compact clause, probably because they thought that such restrictions would have been too outlandish to even consider at that time.

            So, yes…technically, because the decision allows the constitutionality of the registry as a regulatory scheme, then legislators and jurisdictions make pragmatically punitive laws, but justify them as regulatory based on the decision of Smith v. Doe.

        • j

          Violation of Equal Protection Under The Law ?

  49. United States, only the rich and the lucky can fight

    constitutional issues in federal courts).

    As I understand it, the process of deportation is something like this:

    1) In the United States, the Marshall’s Office reviews the lists of passengers on international flights.
    2) If a passenger is on the list of “Offenders”, an alert is sent to the Interpol database.
    3) The office of SEGOB / Interpol at airport receives the alert and notifies the INM.
    4) INM staff conducts passenger deportation without exception.

    • PK

      I don’t think Mexico it’s considered “deportation”. Correct me if I’m wrong, I think it’s simply “not allowed entry”.

  50. Odemadrid

    I flew out of DFW to Chile through Mexico City. No issues getting through immigration in Mexico on the way to Chile, but on the flight back, there was a Mexican federal agent waiting for me at the gate. He took a picture of me, my passport and said the US government sent them an alert because a past criminal issue. The agent didn’t seem to have any idea what the issue was.

    I had a connecting flight back to Texas in a couple of hours, so he let me go through immigration. I was stopped again and walked into a room. I was told I wouldn’t be let go into Mexico due to an alert set by the US government. I would be forced to stay in that room and not go to wait at the gate or a restaurant.

    Interestingly, I am not in the sex offender list. A judge ordered my removal from the list and I am not required to register anymore (I was 17 when the offense happened and the .’victim’ was 14). However, there is some lingering record of me visiting a sunny State over 10 years ago (I was still on the list) that requires visiting offenders to register for the length of their stay.

    I was not told who which agency of the US government is sending the alerts. However, the agent clearly told me Mexico has absolutely no issues with me entering the country (I served no jail time and the incident was in 1991). Mexico is simply following the alerts set off by the US government and will not let anyone that is flagged.

    I am unsure how to proceed; I am not in probation or served jail time. I was a minor and I am not required to register as a sex offender.

    • TiredOfHiding

      Well, as long as this is done in secret we have no way to fight it. Is this a fair fight?

      No it is not.

      We are being targeted by our own government and classified as dangerous individuals even though we have jumped through every hoop they have placed before us…cooperated fully with every requirement and request and demand made of us…even though what happened might have been the result of a plea bargain made out of misinformation…and even though some of us actually are totally innocent.

      Yet…here we are…treated by our own government…the United States of America no differently than terrorists. In fact…often much worse.

      • Tim

        In effect, the evolving restrictions amounts to psychological torture. We are all once again innocent until proven guilty after we do our time, according to the fifth amendment. But no, the government has found a way to keep us under the suspicion of guilt indefinitely. They tell us to go out and not re-offend, then they punish us whether we reoffend or not. They tell us to go out and have normal relationships and then they tell everyone to be afraid of us. That is a technique of the torturer.

        • j

          We are being pre-sentenced for crimes we might commit is what I see.

        • Tired Of Hiding

          I agree that this would be an angle of attack for this. It most certainly is torture and I am sure that I am not the only RSO who is taking medication for PTSD caused entirely from this continued psychological torture and 24/7 pressure that we are under.

          This truly is the bottom line. Either we are a danger and should be locked up OR we have done our time…paid our debt…and should be free to continue the pursuit of happiness that all Americans are guaranteed.

          I would like to know what Janice can do attacking this from this viewpoint.

          Sure, it’s nice to be “allowed” into a park to walk the dog but there are bigger fish to fry and we should attack those and then the little fish would not even exist.

          Please…what can be done? Janice?

          • Joe

            Support Janice in frying the biggest fish of them all. Smith v. Doe. There is a Donation button on the right.

          • Tim

            Anti depressants, cognatve therapy, no meditation…just when I have a handle on life, a new law comes out — back in therapy. No it’s not for thoughts of doing something illegal; it is to handle what the government is doing illegally.

            • Tired Of Hiding

              “it is to handle what the government is doing illegally.”

              Exactly, let’s get a class action suit going against the government and get them to pay!

              Lawyers sue drug companies all the time with few clients…we have nearly a million of them!

              Might not get any actual $$$$ out of it BUT we can probably get at least some of these illegal “law” removed so that we can actually sleep at night without nightmares and live as normal human beings (and American citizens in America) should be allowed to live…in other words like everyone else!

    • Anonymous Nobody

      Odemadrid, if you are not on the registry, you might very well have a lawsuit. Of course, we have to know more definitively what laws are doing this to us. But presuming it is as being suggested here, that they send these alerts if you are on the registry, and you are not on it, then your alert was not allowed. As such, the problems you faced because of their actions are actionable.

      That said, I suspect when you refer to a sunny state, you are saying California. And you were visiting long enough that you had to register here. Perhaps the problem is that when you left, you did not go in, deregister and tell them were you were going out of state. That also is required under California law, and they will jail you for not doing so (I’ve seen at least one appellate case where they extradited a guy back from Texas over that very issue. He moved there and was registering fine in Texas and doing everything he should, but had failed to tell California where he was going, They hauled him back and put him in prison for a registration violation of not deregistering and telling his new address out of state).

      I suspect that if you did not deregister and tell your new address, that could actually serve to leave you on the California registry list — as one of those listed as missing. And that might be why the Feds picked up on you. I’ll bet you didn’t know you have to go in and deregister and tell them where you were going out of state, the actual address. And if you’re not careful, California might arrest you and throw you in prison. You might want to get a lawyer and make a point of deregistering — your defense might be able to be that you did not have knowledge of that requirement, that they did not notify you about it (if that is so); reasonable lack of knowledge is a defense. But if there was some fine print somewhere that mentioned that, then you were notified. Not reading it would not be a defense.

      • odemadrid

        Sunny State as in FL, where sex offenders must registers even for short trips. I was there a total of 3 nights in 2006 and registered as a visitor. I’ve only lived in Texas and the case took place in place. After the probation ended, the presiding judge and prosecutor decided my case fell under Romeo and Juliet laws, and I shouldn’t register anymore. Documents were signed and sent out to government agencies and I no longer come up as a registered sex offender with the exception of Florida, which I found out about after my incident in Mexico. I have called and forwarded the forms to the Florida SO registry, but their response was somewhat dismissive. They said Florida laws are different from Texas, and I must still have to be in their registry for life. They will take a look at the documents and get back to me. That makes no sense since I’ve never lived in Florida, and the offense didn’t take place or was tried in Florida.

        • Anonymous Nobody

          Well, considering that in California you would have to go in and deregister, look into whether that is possible in Florida too.

          Besides, if you aren’t in Florida, I don’t see how Florida can have you live on a registry.

          BTW, you raise a good point. In California, even after completing probation and having your conviction “expunged,” you still have to register, for life. Out of staters also have to register here when they come here, although I think the details of that are if they are here a minimum of 14 days or so. But once registered here, you have to deregister when you move out of state (which would also be merely moving back to your home state).

          Because Californians must register after an expungement, I suspect any out of stater whose conviction has been expunged in that state would still have to register in California. If not, it would seem like unconstitutional unequal treatment, to me.

          • Joe

            Florida is known for keeping non-registrants, non-residents and even dead people on their registry forever.

            A few years ago the former football player L. Taylor (NY Giants linebacker) was convicted of an offense in NY and ordered to register for 10 years at a level that was not on the NY web site. Apparently he has a home in FL and is now on the FL web site and probably will be for life, regardless of his registration period or state of residence.

            I have always wondered if he knew this in advance and if sunshine was really that important.

            • Tired Of Hiding

              I am on that lovely Florida registry. I was innocent but they scared the shit out of me about going to jail so I took plea bargain because my lawyer said that I would have to register once a year and that after 5 years it would be over.

              He totally misinformed me about it AND things were actually different then…sex offenders were not the political scapegoat they have become back then…

              At the time in Florida 1999 they mailed a letter to your home that you filled out and mailed back to them. DONE That was the yearly registering. Period

              If you moved you didn’t even tell the police…you simply renewed your drivers license / id card within 48 hours.

              You can see how times have changed. Now you register in person…have home checks…give them all your internet information including usernames/handles…have registry restrictions…certain parks and other area that you can’t go.

              Each year it’s more and more…with no data to show it’s needed…and actual data to show it’s not effective!

              This is madness people!

    • Odemadrid

      Do you guys have any suggestions on how to handle Florida? Come on! The judge who oversaw the case in TX got me off the registry, and I never lived in Florida…

      • Joe

        If “we” only knew how to “handle” California…. your case sounds tragic. Aside from the fact that you do not live in Florida, don’t they have a Romeo and Juliet provision there? Would that not apply to you in any event? Even if you did live there? You may want to try contacting The Florida Action Committee (http://www.floridaactioncommittee.org/). Good luck.

  51. Tim

    Correct me if I am mistaken, but the Government Accountability Office recommended using background checks to list those for flagging not on a registry but have been convicted of a sex crime. Again correct me anyone, but sounds like some government agency or combination is creating its own travel registry, like the no fly list, and is doing it administratively, not through legislation, but under the auspices of laws like SORNA, and international anti trafficking efforts. I think they will just keep doing the notifications until someone tells them to stop, like a judge or the American People, but the American people haven’t even stopped their own government from spying on everyone.

  52. READ THIS DOCUMENT CAREFULLY AGAIN

    Source: http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/652194.pdf

    So mostly if you are an RSO, you are trapped in the United States it seems.

  53. brunello

    It is perhaps not surprising that Mexico and, I believe, Canada are willing to do the bidding of their powerful neighbor in this regard. What about other countries? Can anybody say that they have been turned back at a European airport? Or any country other than Mexico or Canada?

    • Tim

      The report from the GAO lists the countries that turn away the flagged travelers. Mexico and the Philippines are at the top of the list if I remember correctly. Go to Finland.

      • Tired Of Hiding

        That is NOT a complete list nor does it give definitive information but keeps the question ongoing as to who they will allow in and who are immediately turned back with no potential of entry at all.

        We need to know details. They want to keep us in the dark!

        • Tim

          No, it shows the percentage of flagged travelers who are turned away by country. Yes, it doesn’t say why, just as it doesn’t say the specific criteria for determining why people are flagged in the first place. I think the only way you are going to get this is through a freedom of information request. Then it will be denied as being classified. I agree with you on your last post. If I could scrape up money to travel, the last thing I would I want to here about, let alone do is sexual offending. The biggest problem I would be is when I find some uninhabited island somewhere with some good fishing, and I would use a sharp stick against anyone who tries to deport me off it.

          • NSOTC

            The U.S. Marshals Service’s National Sex Offender Targeting Center (NSOTC).

            202–616–1600

            http://www.smart.gov/smartwatch/12_spring/resources-2.htm

            I called (NSOTC) office today and spoke to Rick Kelly .

            I advised him I was denied entry to Mexico Based solely on the Flagged notice that Interpol send to Mexico.

            He was unaware that this was happening but he said he would look into than get back to me in few days.

      • steve

        LOL… or the South Pole.

  54. What INTERPOL is doing

    Sex offenders

    INTERPOL’s main tool for dealing with travelling sex offenders is the Green Notice.
    A  Green Notice is issued to provide warnings and criminal intelligence about persons who have committed criminal offences and are likely to repeat these crimes in other countries. It is an effective way to share key police intelligence on a global scale and to prevent offenders from crossing borders.

    Types of Notice

    Red Notice
    To seek the location and arrest of wanted persons with a view to extradition or similar lawful action.

    Yellow Notice
    To help locate missing persons, often minors, or to help identify persons who are unable to identify themselves.

    Blue Notice
    To collect additional information about a person’s identity, location or activities in relation to a crime.

    Black Notice
    To seek information on unidentified bodies.

    Green Notice
    To provide warnings and intelligence about persons who have committed criminal offences and are likely to repeat these crimes in other countries.

    Orange Notice
    To warn of an event, a person, an object or a process representing a serious and imminent threat to public safety.

     INTERPOL–United Nations Security Council Special Notice
    Issued for groups and individuals who are the targets of UN Security Council Sanctions Committees.

    Purple Notice
    To seek or provide information on modi operandi, objects, devices and concealment methods used by criminals.

    • Joe

      What is the source of this, pray tell?

      “Green Notice
      To provide warnings and intelligence about persons who have committed criminal offences and are likely to repeat these crimes in other countries.”

      This is an outrage. This is just like so many states and counties / cities incorporating into their code “the blah blah blah holds that RSOs are likely to re-offend”.

      Once it is in the code, IT IS! Contrary to study after study. Besides – in what other area of life are you being held responsible not only for what YOU MIGHT do, but for what SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT do???

      What to do?

  55. Dr

    I just hope someone can help us with this travel problem. Most of us have very little money. And the government knows this. We are easy targets.

  56. MYTH #1: “SEX OFFENDERS WILL ALWAYS KEEP OFFENDING.”

    As the tracking of tens of thousands clearly attest, most people learn from their mistakes,and sex offenders are no exception. Just getting caught changes the behavior of most individuals.

  57. We are under attack.

    Don’t paint all sex offenders with the same brush.

    Being listed on the sex offender registry shouldn’t mean a death sentence, but that is tragically what it is.

    The research and facts are on our side. What has been missing is our place at the table. So we plan to show up at CAL RSOL meetings and have our voices heard.

  58. VA Hall

    Interpol & sex offenders: http://www.interpol.int/Crime-areas/Crimes-against-children/Sex-offenders. 

    Travelling sex offenders: also known as “sex tourism”, this type of crime involves the abuse of children in developing countries by people who travel there. The relative wealth of the offender coupled with lack of understanding or effective legislation means that the abuse of children is easier in these countries. This type of crime is linked to child trafficking, organized crime and murder.

    These types of crimes represent a huge challenge for police worldwide and require specialized skills and increased resources. At INTERPOL, we encourage investigators around the world to make maximum use of our tools and services.

    • Tired Of Hiding

      FROM THE INTERPOL SITE: “Sex offenders – In recent years we have seen an increase in the numbers of travelling sex offenders, that is, individuals who travel to foreign countries in order to abuse the children there.”

      RIGHT – They have seen an increase of us traveling…when we can’t find decent paying jobs or even apartments who will rent to us…but sure…we have so much extra income that we have increased our travel to foreign countries!

      How much BS can they continue to sling to keep and expand their jobs at our expense!

      Just makes me hate and have no respect for law enforcement even more.

  59. Dr

    Sex tourism, that crap. I would say 99percent of people traveling to Mexico is for vacation with there family, Not sex with minors. Just my thoughts .

    • It's close to the USA.

      So now we only travel country that the U.S. list has a sex tourism destination .

      GIVE ME A BREAK!

      Mexico is a large and diverse country that offers something of interest to nearly every visitor.

      Beaches Food Affordability Culture History

  60. Donate to the cause

    We hear from many of those affected by these laws. Most of them complain about how it has devastated them and their families, but very few of these actually take action or donate to the cause.

  61. Aaron

    This is a real bummer to read all of this. I was planning on trying to get back in next week.

    I have been a RSO for 17 years with no problems again in that time, no legal issues at all.

    I entered Mexico 3 times last year to visit my husband, a Mexican citizen, while we wait for his green card to be approved. In October I was stopped for the first time in Vallarta and interviewed by INM but they eventually let me in after realizing my relationship to a Mexican citizen. In January I had a connecting flight through Mexico D.F. and they did not let me in, put me in a holding area overnight and sent me back to the U.S. They did not let me make phone calls or translate any documents they made me sign AND when I asked to contact the US Embassy they told me NO!!

    So, my husband went to the Immigration office in Vallarta and explained the situation and they said, “tell him to come down and try again.” “Try”?? What does that mean?

    My question is this…does anyone know if the rules are different if you have familial ties to a Mexican citizen that can’t visit the U.S.

    Thanks for any help…and to all that have posted useful information here.

  62. dnatale

    Update from my Mexican immigration law attorney:

    I have collected enough legal information to draft at least the first part of the legal enviornment here. However, there is a key part that is still missing. That is the part regarding the relationship between Mexico and other countries, mainly the US.

    What I plan to do now is submit a series of Freedom of Information requests to see if I can’t pry more data out of the government.

  63. Faithful

    I do not have a sex case, was actually convicted of aggravated Robbery in 1996, upon release was told there was a new law that required me to register as a predatory offender which to the outside eye still sounds like a sex offense. I’ve traveled to Mexico and other countries many times but was recently turned away like a few previous people have stated. I plan to fight this registry system to the end because i feel it sets you up to fell.

  64. Tired

    I think one thing to keep in mind here that these new results with people trying to travel to Mexico seem to have little to do with your registration on the list. Rather this is the result of the US sharing criminal records of all kinds with other countries. And what has most likely changed is how those countries are responding. Canada has blocked anybody with a felony or DUI from entering their country for many years. Also Australia and many others are very particular about who can enter etc. Dog the Bounty Hunter was denied a visa by the United Kingdom a few years ago. This was based on his 1976 conviction. Which admittedly was for murder so it was a pretty serious charge. And if I remember correctly it was for a work visa. Had he just been visiting they might not have cared or even noticed. For those of you convicted of violations that would allow you to petition to be off the registry in other states after the timeframe has been passed, I would say you would have to seriously consider moving. It might require leaving family etc. and have it’s own difficulties but being removed from that burden might well be worth it. And once off the list, A) you shouldn’t have to inform anyone if you wish to travel out of the country B) from what I have read many countries such as the UK probably won’t care if you want to either travel there or possibly live there…..again once you are off the list.

  65. Eric J

    Unfortunately, I had already bought a vacation package to a resort there (flying into Cancun) for my wife and I to celebrate our 15 year anniversary. I lived in CA for awhile, got involved with a 17-year-old female when I was 26, and am now a lifetime registrant. I have since moved to the midwest and am following all the registration laws. Of course, my wife was crushed now that I shared this with her, and that I would most likely be turned away. An attorney told me to contact the Mexican Consulate and ICE and gather as much paperwork as I could before traveling, but after all the stories here, it all sounds like a lost cause and I’m out $2k. (Sorry, I have nothing of value to add to this forum, but I’m just incredibly depressed – more so for my wife than myself.)

    • Eric J

      UPDATE:
      This is no news to anyone here probably, but talked to ICE (on the ‘Law Enforcement Agent Only Line’ – oops) and she said it’s completely up to the person that reviews my paperwork on Mexican side of the border. I’ll try the Mexican Consulate as well, but according to this lady, she says that no one has any pull one way or the other except the individual that’s reviewing my paperwork at the border.

      • Joe

        @Eric J – 17! Was this an offense strictly due to age? Is that even a crime in your current state? Certainly not in Mexico!

        Have you looked into whether or not your are eligible for a Certificate of Rehabilitation? There are certain CA residency and time and other requirements, but maybe you can make it to Cancun for your 25th wedding anniversary!

        Given that in the recent past not one person has reported being allowed into Mexico I wonder how much leeway the customs agent in Mexico truly has. …in any event, thanks for the info and good luck.

        • Eric J

          It was due to age and, probably my job position at the time, as well as the length of time the “relationship” went on – off & on over a year. (I know not to call it a relationship, but I don’t know another term – involvement?) I had only lived there a short while, and I was incredibly naive & had a lot of growing up to do. I had no idea the legal age of consent was 18. I have no problem admitting I was 100% at fault, though. I totally accept that. According to my attorney, there was a significant amount of cases similar to mine in the area (just north of Sacramento) and the judge and DA were looking to make a statement. I was charged with 7 counts (3 different ‘kinds’ of counts, all for different time frames), and I pleaded to 1. But the DA made sure that whatever charge I pleaded to carried a lifetime registration. So, that was “penetration with a foreign object”. Which sounds absolutely HORRENDOUS, but it’s actually the same as “digital (finger) penetration” here in the Midwest where I live. There were many reasons I didn’t want to fight it, so I spent a Johnson in jail, 5 years probation, and lifetime registration. As soon as I was out, I miraculously transferred my probation back to my Midwest home. And to answer your question, the legal age is 16 here, and I’ve had several officers/legal officials tell me that a case like this wouldn’t have even gotten into the court system around here. I’m not saying it was right by any means, but I was just answering your question.

          Also, here’s an update from my travel agent regarding travel:

          I just have received a phone call from a client that have been deported right after arrival from Cancun.
          He is working for the department of education as a psychologist. Charges were brought against him several years ago, and he has been in the rubber room since… He has been to Mexico last year…and several times prior to that.
          He was told that new law came in 1 month ago. So, your clients concern is valid. He should not go to Mexico.
          My client have been detained and his wife were staying . I helped to send their daughter next day to use the room. Luckily she was also on vacation because working for the Board of Ed.

          • Joe

            You sound like you are a strong candidate for a Certificate of Rehabilitation. Also look into Hofsheier in case your conviction was before that decision. You may be one of the lucky ones who finds relief. Maybe not today, not tomorrow, you may have to move back to California, but maybe some day. Read the FAQ on this site, as well as the section on the COR (Resources -> COR).

            I do not know you from Adam but I am in disbelief that a person’s, a family’s, life can be ruined over a non-forcible voluntary relationship with a mentally competent 17-year old person. Yes, I say relationship – while it may have been inappropriate due to your job (one guesses you were a teacher or coach in which case it was wrong / inappropriate, no doubt), a relationship nevertheless. At some point it takes two to tango.

            All the best to you.

            • Eric J

              Thanks so much for your encouragement! As a matter of fact, since this whole situation has come up with my trip to Mexico (which is now cancelled), your comment encouraged me to finally do some digging. I found out I actually am a candidate either for a HOFSHEIER WRIT or Governor’s Pardon since my charge was under PC 289(h)! My family is STOKED! I’ve been in contact with the Law offices of Wallin & Klarich and they gave me a run-down. I know this is the wrong forum to post this in, so I’m going to find another thread where I can ask some advice for you all on pursuing this (as well as other legal council that may come better recommended). Thanks again, Joe!

          • FRegistryTerrorists

            I don’t know if the relationship you had was right or wrong. I have known 16 year olds (or 15 or 17 or whatever) who are more capable and mature than 25 year olds I know. I have also known some who are as mature as 12 year olds.

            But what I do know is that any person who is not considered legally able to consent to sexual activity has no business at all driving a car. If a person can legally drive at car at 16, then that person should legally be able to consent to sexual activity.

            There is no way that someone’s “child” should be driving a car that can kill me or MY children and that person is somehow not able to figure out if he/she should have sex or not. If you aren’t mature enough to consent to sexual activity, you are certainly not mature enough to do anything dangerous around me or my family.

            We accept over 35,000 people getting KILLED in vehicle accidents in this country every year and so many of them are teenagers. Yet we think if those same teenagers touch someone sexually, the teenager is damaged for life (unlike being KILLED) and we need to put someone in prison and harass that person and their family for the rest of their lives.

            • Joe

              Differently put… when a person is deemed old enough to be charged, prosecuted and sentenced as an adult (14, 13, 12?) it is absurd to tell that same person they do not have the capacity to willingly engage in sexual conduct.

              • FRegistryTerrorists

                Exactly. What kind of terrible, evil person dreamed up the “charged as an adult” idiocy? I really think the people who did that are awful “people”. Unless I’m really missing some salient facts about it, which is very possible.

                If someone commits a crime against, for example, a 14 year old, that person is a child that has been damaged for life. But if that exact same child commits a crime, then all of us good people just might say “that person is not really a child, he or she is an adult”.

                I don’t really see how we can have it both ways.

                All that said, I’m fine with saying “adult” starts at 18 (or whenever) but that has to apply to everything (and “charged as an adult” has to disappear).

              • td777

                This is an argument I had many years ago. While I was going through the trial process myself, I was told “a teenager that young cannot be held responsible for their actions.” Elsewhere in the same building, they were prosecuting a 12 year old girl for murdering her grandmother and she was being charged as an adult!

              • JBCal

                Joe:

                How about Leon Brown, the 15 year old CHILD sentenced to the DEATH PENALTY in 1983 for a sex crime he did NOT commit with a coerced confession. Just released this month after spending 30 years in prison when DNA evidence exonerated him.

                The USA until recently was one of only 4 countries in the world that executed children AS ADULTS.

                Government sanctioned CHILD ABUSE.

            • Tim

              These sex laws are not based on public safety. They are there to reinforce societal norms of behavior, which sadly put driving impaired or recklessly and the resulting death, mutilation or psychological scars to the victims of traffic accidents as less heinous than an illegal touch or viewing an illegal image of a child.
              Legislators and judges are smart to cloak these laws in the mantle of public safety, because they know the public will not challenge the established myths. Yet. Nonetheless, I can see a day when these same judges and legislators will look as much the ignorant fools as those Puritan magistrates who drowned those who society labeled witches.

  66. Eric J

    I was wondering if anyone has tried traveling recently to anyplace tropical such as Jamaica or the Dominican Republic? If this isn’t the correct site/thread topmost this on, please let me know where I can find the answer. I’d like to find someplace tropical I would be able I take my wife without a bunch of hassle. (Obviously, there’s Hawaii here in the states, or Florida, or even St. Thomas.)

    • Joe

      No recommendation per your question but if you are planning a vacation in the good old USA you may want to find out about the state laws in your destination. Should you be inclined to follow them.

      Hawaii
      http://sexoffenders.ehawaii.gov/sexoffender/faq.html#q15

      Florida
      http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/FAQ.jsp#Question6

      You do NOT want to ever set foot in the Sunshine State. They will put you on their web site and never take you off. Not after you go back home and likely not even after you die.

      I would take my chances with a foreign country.

      • Tired of hiding

        I can tell you that Panama is off the list. You will get met at the gate getting off the plane. Panama is basically owned by the US anyway so no big surprise there.

        Reading those links it seems that you can be in Florida 4 days before needing to register with the police…and 9 days in Hawaii.

        Lovely how even though we have paid the famous “debt to society” that we are still being punished and limited to movement in the very country that we citizens in…pay taxes to support the government that is actively hostel against us.

        This sounds unconstitutional to me but what do I know…I am just a pervert (or so my government is telling the world)!

        We have got to fight our own government. They have become the enemy.

      • MM

        A few months back we made arrangements to vacation in Maui (we leave in two weeks) for a total of 7 days. We’ve printed out the requirements and highlighted the important information we must follow, just in case it’s been figured out we are there (we’ve got the paperwork!). We won’t be going back again this year so there is no need to notify anyone – besides, it’s after a total of 30 days (in 12 months) you must notify the PD in Hawaii. Hopefully all will be smooth sailing. CAN’T WAIT!!

        • Margaret Moon

          Bon Voyage! Please update after your vacation.

        • Tired of hiding

          Yes, 30 days total for a year OR 10 consecutive days…so for the 7 days trip you are fine. If someone wanted to go island hoping for say 2 weeks (14 days) legally they would need to register with the police. Very relaxing to take a break from the beach to turn yourself in for fingerprinting. Aloha

          • Tim

            And while we do this registry dance, costing the governments thousands of dollars on clerical work, and making taking a vacation more like planning a trip up Everest, how many children were saved? Is that the point anymore, or is government addicted to the track a sex offender game?

      • david

        The information on the Hawaii link is a bit confusing to me. It says that I must register within 3 days, then in the next sentence it says “if I remain in Hawaii for up to 10 days.” Does this mean I can vacation there for 7 days and not register at all? I’d like to know for sure, as a dream of mine is to go to Hawaii, but finding the police station for each island I visit and waiting and registering would be a downer to me and my family.

    • Tired

      If you want tropical with a minimum of grief I would try Puerto Rico. Not foreign so it won’t require getting through customs or any chance of being denied entry. Probably the same for the US Virgin Islands, Guam or any other US Territory etc. Otherwise I think it may be a crap shoot for getting turned back.

        • Tired of hiding

          I don’t think that anyone was suggesting moving to Puerto Rico but that it is simply a great alternative for a nice sunny vacation spot with great beaches WITHOUT having to deal with crossing an international boarder and dealing with the a-holes when you return back “home”.

          You have NOT left the USA by going to Puerto Rico.

          Better spend your tourist dollars there than Hawaii or certainly Florida!

          • Eric J

            Why do you say, “Better spend your tourist dollars there than Hawaii or certainly Florida!”???

            • Tired Of Hiding

              Did you read this thread? There are time restrictions on your visits to BOTH Hawaii and Florida before you are legally required to register with the POLICE!

              If your little vacation to Disney World exceeds 4 days then on the 5th day you are required by STATE LAW as an out of state SEX OFFENDER to register.

              Think about it…you really think that I am going to book my vacation for a week in a state that is going to force to be register with the police department OR risk being arrested for failure to register???????????

              Don’t you get it?? Yes, I am going to Puerto Rico before spending a cent in Florida.

              Have a nice day!

              • VA Hall

                According to Puerto Rico law, which is comparatively relaxed in dealing with registered citizens, you have to register there if you are intending to make PR your permanent or temporary residence of more than 10 days. See: PR Code 4, § 536c. Thus, temporary visitors of under 10 days do not have to register. Furthermore, because PR has such comparatively weak laws in re registration, failure to register after 10 days is a misdemeanor if they even catch you and they do not have most of the restrictions found in the states such as distance from parks or schools.

              • david

                If it’s like I’m understanding it, the Hawaii rules aren’t too bad, as you wouldn’t have to register unless the trip was over 9 days. Most folks wouldn’t travel longer than that anyway. Not that it’s right, but I’m hoping to travel some in the future and I’m still trying to figure this stuff out.

    • Rob3

      Hey eric,
      I know this is a year after you asked this specific question.
      I personally was not let into the Dominican Republic In march,2015. I’m from Maine and my crime was a Class D mIsdeameanor. So I would suggest not to book anywhere in the Caribbean, thats not a territory of the U.S The only place you should consider is Puerto Rico, which in itself has all the attributes thats others tropical destinations offer.

  67. none

    It is pretty obvious, this is an all around lawsuit both USA and petitions in treaties and international law in other countries. HUMAN RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED. One trick is to gather all your paper work about harassment, vigilantly violence keep that paper trail. IF NO OTHER OFFENCES especially has NOTHING WITH HUMAN TRAFFICKING WHAT SO EVER. Make a petition that USA governments punish and don’t care if people are abused. In a lot ways we have the burden to make the case that USA is another Nazi uprising and has no validity to HUMAN RIGHTS and is constantly against international HUMAN RIGHTS. Dancing around the money hole we go but yes we have to file a very very large class action lawsuit of unprecedented magnitude. This obviously concerns people also not on the registry lets see if we can get a million man, women and child class action lawsuit going. I am in for one in. I think media is a great way. Need more and more videos of people being forced to be homeless make these videos available to other countries. Need translators. For one thing most countries dont’t believe in a public registry anyways. Lets see if that can be a starting platform for INTERNATIONAL reform. We have to stand together with this one. NO ONE MAN BATTLES. Well maybe just for research but we need more than just one man battles.

  68. odemadrid

    If I read this correctly, any country will be alerted moving forward; therefore, RSO will not be limited to Mexico only

    ———-

    The Supplemental Guidelines for Sex Offender Registration and Notification require sex offenders to report their international travel 21 days prior to departing the United States. The U.S. Marshals Service’s National Sex Offender Targeting Center (NSOTC), with the assistance of the SMART Office and INTERPOL, created the Notification of International Travel of Sex Offender form. This fillable PDF enables a seamless transfer of information from a jurisdiction’s registry to the respective destination country.

    An “email” button on the form makes it easy for users to submit the form directly to NSOTC. The email subject line should read “Sex Offender Travel Notification” to speed up processing. NSOTC will process the information and submit it to INTERPOL.

    Upon receipt of the form, INTERPOL will notify the destination country. Unlike other notices, this is for informational purposes only and does not require action on behalf of the receiving country.

  69. odemadrid

    It appears, it is not a single agency doing the dirty work:

    http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/652195.pdf

    “Three federal agencies—U.S. Marshals, International Criminal Police
    Organization (INTERPOL) Washington – U.S. National Central Bureau (USNCB),
    and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)—use information from
    state, local, territorial, and tribal jurisdictions, as well as passenger data from the
    U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), to identify registered sex offenders
    traveling outside of the United States”

    This really sucks… My partner and I want to travel to Southeast Asia to experience some of the Asian carriers such as Cathay or Malaysia airlines, but given the recent issues we encountered in Mexico, I am hesitant to spend thousands of dollars on airfare to travel across the globe to find out I won’t be let in.

  70. Odemadrid

    It seems people have lost interest in this topic. It’s very sad because it will impact many of us.

    For those who followed my case, I am officially OFF the Florida SRO list with the TX court order!

    I have contacted the Mexican Consulate, and they are trying to help me. They will contact the Mexican authorities & immigration to find out if the alert the US sent for me is still valid. If it’s still out there, I have some challenges I need to address in the US.

    • Tired of hiding

      I have certainly NOT lost interest as international travel is one of my most treasured activities. I would also be very interested get details on how you got off the Florida registry because it is for life in Florida. I am on it there.

      Thank you

    • JBSanFran

      Odemadrid- Glad to hear you’re off the Florida SRO list — shouldn’t have been there in the first place. My attorney is researching similar situations and it seems to be uncertain if you are fully out of the Sorna/SMART alert system. Of course I and others here hope you are. The Act implies that once you have ever “traveled in interstate commerce” you are part of this Federal system. Although it seems the Tier I, 15 year max limit would apply in your case if it does show up. Again, hope you are relieved of these notices, but a test flight may be helpful. Also, you may have this “tag” linked on your passport within the Mexico INM database. A new passport would most likely solve that issue.

      Let us know in the future if this does work for you and again, good luck.

  71. Anonymous

    To let you know I did post earlier on February 26th.

    I did in fact move to Puerto Rico.

    I can tell it is a world of difference in how you are treated and the whole issue is not a national obsession here as it is in many places in the states, which is fed by the local media, newspapers, television and radio that appear to have a vested interest promoting and sensationalizing stories about rso’s.

  72. BILL

    I am scheduled to fly into Mexico shortly. I am working for an American company and will be there less than two weeks. I was taken off the registration list about 5 yrs. ago and no longer have any restrictions. May I ask readers to share their thoughts on whether I should go or cancel trip. I will loose thousands of dollars of income, but if I know I going to cause an incredible financial loss to the company, I rather not risk it. They have coordinated others from around the U.S. to meet there as well. Thanks everyone for your previous comments.

    • Joe

      @Bill, when you say you were “taken off the registration list”, do you mean you are no longer required to register? Either because you finished your registration period (if from a State with 10/15/25 year registrations), or you were able to get a court order relieving you of the requirement?

      I would be interested in someone like that getting into Mexico or not. I know someone who got to stop registering with a Certificate of Rehabilitation in California and he told me that he is no longer treated as a RSO when coming back into the country, meaning he is not sent to secondary screening.

      That would lead me to believe that the US government does not put out the travel alert for someone who is not currently required to register.

      Please keep us posted on what you find out.

      • BILL

        Thanks Joe, that is encouraging.

        My offense was committed 20 yrs. ago. One day I received a letter stating I would no longer be required to register. “The listed offender has spent 10 years in the community without being convicted of any new offenses pursuant to State Laws.” “Sex/Kidnapping Offender Relieved of Duty to Register” I was removed from the sex offender website. It came as a complete surprise and I thank God for a second chance.

        However, traveling to Mexico is still in question. I must make a decision in the next few days. It would be great to hear from someone who has traveled into Mexico who is no longer required to register and has successfully flown into Mexico.

  73. Tim

    John P Humphrey, a Canadian, was one of the drafters of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Article 13:(2) “Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.” This article was approved unanimously by the United Nations members at the time, just after WWII. They were intent on preventing the kinds of travel bans the Nazi’s had imposed on marginalized groups and wished to prevent it from happening again. Apparently Canada, the US and the other countries who turn away registrants and those once convicted of crimes have made an exception for those who have already been punished but now have to wear a vitual “sex offender” tag where ever they go.

  74. mch

    @ Bill;

    Not sure of your location now, but if you’re apprehensive, you might check into going to Tijuana and flying into Mexico from there. Fly to San Diego, taxi to TJ and fly out of that airport. Anybody have other suggestions that could help?

    • BILL

      Thanks MCH. Sadly not enough time to explore your suggestion. Hoping to learn if felony information is supplied by our government on folks that are currently registered.

    • vahall

      UH…MCH…Tijuana is IN Mexico, in the state of Baja California. San Diego, California, USA, is 17 miles north.

  75. BILL

    To be clear, I am no longer required to register does anyone know if I could still be denied entry into Mexico?

    • vahall

      If you drive over one of the 46 legal border crossings into Mexico, how will anyone know? If you walk into Mexico through any one of those ports of entry, how will anyone know? Assuming you are not on GPS, drawing a great deal of attention to yourself or just have the incredibly, stupendously bad luck to be pulled out of a massive horde at a border crossing which serves hundreds of thousands of vehicles a day? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_border_crossings

      • Paul

        I literally walked into Mexico without so much as a nod or a wink.

        Walking back into the U.S.was a different experience. The moment my passport was scanned by CBP, I was sent off to secondary.

  76. david

    Does anyone know the registration requirements for visiting Missouri? I’d like to visit and watch my favorite team (Rams) play for once, and I was hoping I could keep the trip to 3-4 days and not have to register. If it’s like Hawaii with the 10 days, I might see more of the state while I’m there.

    It’s distressing to hear about the foreign travel restrictions, but if so, I at least want to travel and see some sites in the US, as I’m getting close to retirement.

    • Tired of Hiding

      I went to Missouri last year and rented a place in an extended stay hotel for a full week. Not for 1 moment did even consider telling them I was there. I was not moving and that was a hotel. I will NEVER EVER register with ANY STATE except the state that I am a resident of – California. Period

      I don’t care what their law says. I do not respect it and I will not honor it.

      • steve

        I also refuse to learn every other states laws. Ridiculous and impossible.

  77. JM

    David,
    Missouri requirements are as follows: # of days to register, 3 days.
    May not reside w/in 1000 ft. of a school, child care facility. May not loiter w/in 500 ft. of properties. May not be present w/in 500 ft. of public park, pool.

    • Tired of Hiding

      Good to know but I don’t care. I stayed last time for 7 full days and while I have no reason in the world to visit Missouri again I would still NOT inform anyone of my presence there nor would I feel the slightest reason to just because so unjust law is trying to control my freedom of movement.

  78. No due process

    If you no longer have to register or report any travel international to any authorities you should be okay to travel to Mexico. But if INTERPOL send a traveling sex offender Green Notice you’re going to be out of luck.

    • BILL

      That’s what I’m thinking. It’s too risky I guess. Thanks NO DUE PROCESS

    • vahall

      One could certainly drive, or walk, into TJ. However, you wrote “going to Tijuana and flying into Mexico from there.” I corrected you, because if you’re already in Tijuana, Baja California, you’re already IN Mexico. As we both know, but some other people may not. 😉

    • vahall

      No Due Process – see my comment to Bill. If you are not prohibited from leaving the US, you drive or walk into Mexico at one of the many legal border crossings and walk back the same day, where does an “Interpol Green Notice” come into play? Of course, you will have to confront our Security Bureaucracy on the way back IN to the US, but I can’t imagine that would trigger a “Green Notice”. If I am wrong, please enlighten me. Not advocating any illegal behavior here…

  79. david

    Thanks, Jim. It’s enough time to have a relaxing weekend and see my Rams play.

    This may seem like a dumb question, but I don’t want to accidentally do anything wrong. If a place gives you a certain amount of days to register (like the 3 with Missouri), if I’m coming in on Friday night and flying back on Monday morning (technically 3 days, but substantially less than 72 hours), am I required to register or contact anyone in St. Louis, or can I just travel and make sure I fly out on time?

  80. david

    I hate these restrictions, as the furthest thing from my mind is hurting or bothering anyone. A few years ago, I stupidly met a teen online. That was very wrong and foolish and indeed criminal, but I took this long polygraph detailing every sexual experience I ever had. They know I never messed with anyone underage before. My longtime girlfriend dumped me and instead of handling it maturely, I got online to cure my loneliness and made a poor, poor decision. I know there are people on here who did a lot less than I did, so I guess my point is, they could really do preventative maintenance if they would not paint everyone with the same brush, particularly the poor folks who committed a crime as a minor. Talk about destroying lives. I’m an old 52 year old guy, but I can’t imagine folks in their 20’s knowing they always have to live under this “big brother” shadow.

  81. mch

    UH…vahall;
    I drive into Baja about 6 times a year, so yes, I know my geography and have a smidgen of experience. One could DRIVE to TJ and fly out of the TJ airport, thus avoiding (hopefully) the forwarding of information by the Amerikans to other countries. There are currently NO unusual border checks going into Mexico at the San Ysidro border crossing.
    Thanks vahall for setting me straight though.

    • JB

      If you have not flown into Mexico recently where the notice sent, then yes you can probably do the TJ route. Once a notice is sent to any airport in Mexico it is within the Mexican INM database for a blacklist and my Mexican Immigration contact said 3 weeks ago a Registrant at TJ airport was escorted back to the broader (previous fly-in attempt).

    • vahall

      One could certainly drive, or walk, into TJ. However, you wrote “going to Tijuana and flying into Mexico from there.” I corrected you, because if you’re already in Tijuana, Baja California, you’re already IN Mexico. As you know. 😉

  82. JM

    David,
    Janice has posted the regulations for each of the states. The information I gave to you was from the compiled list. Personally, to me, three days would mean 72 hours.
    Jill

    • david

      Thank you, Jim. I’m just learning the ropes and trying not to get too annoyed with the many restrictions (not so easy). I guess flying will probably be preferable to driving. I’ve wondered how much a cop would hassle a S.O. they pulled over from another state if they were just driving through a state and hadn’t had to register. Perhaps I’ll eventually find out, as I have family members all over the US.

  83. the “legal foundation”

    Update from my Mexican immigration law attorney:

    Finally, I believe I have discovered the “legal foundation” for all deportations of Americans whose names appear in the registry. It is an INM document called: INM/DGCVM/3372/2013 describing the “Programa Angel Guardian” dated the 6 of December of 2013. I will request this document through a Mexican Freedom of Information request.

  84. John

    I am registered in oregon for life because i was forced into a plea bargain in California. I entered Mexico on sept. 2013 and found a crowd of Mexican customs agents waiting for me at the bottom of the ramp (thank you Alaska air). After hours of discussion an immigration officer determined that since I was there with wife and step son, had a return ticket 10 days later, motel reservations etc, she would issue me a permission slip to be in the country. I proceeded to the village destination and made arrangements to lease a “vacation” home on a yearly basis. Upon returning to the states I hired a Spanish speaking attorney to write a letter explaining that my crime was a misdemeanor, that I had never been found guilty by a jury, and that I was a hard working family man. I also got letters from my Mexican landlord saying I was always welcome in their village and a character reference from my employer in Spanish as well. I returned feb 20, 2014 and after a 6 hour delay was issued papers saying they had consulted wit “CNA” and it was determined I was not a threat to their country and they allowed me entry on a 6 month visa. I am now returning to the states as I broke my ankle and only pray they allow me back to my sweet little village in the jungle this coming September. I never want to live in America again for the things they have done to me

  85. NPS

    Perhaps I am in the wrong forum, but I hope someone can answer my question. I am a registrant but not subject to Megan’s Law which means I am not on any public registry.

    1. Is it possible that I can be on this list that would deny my entry to other countries?
    2. What about Canada? Is there much red tape if I drove across the border and back?

    I ask because I am a college professor and belong to an organization that has yearly 3-day conferences in different parts of the U.S. However, in 2015, the conference will be held in Toronto, Canada. My plan was to fly to Buffalo, NY (my aunt lives out there and I was planning to stay with her anyway) and just drive across the border to Toronto. Will I be stopped and/or denied entry? Would I need a passport? (I don’t have one right now.)

    • Paul

      I’m not subject to Megan’s Law here in California, and I get stopped every time. The issue is that your passport is now flagged, and the U.S.shares its information with other countries.

      As for Canada, you WILL be turned around. They have complete access to your criminal background, and won’t even allow DUI offenders to cross in.

      Sorry for the bad news.

  86. Scott

    Here’s another article on the subject:
    http://pueblaonline.com.mx/portal/movil/index.php/2013-11-28-18-34-18/item/1564-se-aplica-en-puebla-el-programa-angel-guardian-contra-extranjeros-pederastas-inm#&panel1-1

    Here’s Google’s translation:

    Notimex reports that from 2013 to date, the government of Mexico has refused entry to national territory of 51 foreign pedophiles as part of the Guardian Angel program in several states, said the National Migration Institute (INM).

    The ministry said that the program, which is applied in coordination with U.S. authorities, “shielding” the borders to prevent the placement of Mexican territory purged of people who have convictions or have been convicted of sexual assault or rape to children and adolescents in their home country.

    The INM explained in a statement that Baja California, Jalisco and Mexico City are the entities which have strengthened the surveillance against suspected pedophiles, and that also apply in Guanajuato, Guerrero, Nuevo León, Puebla and Queretaro.

    Revealed that in January the income of an American who had migratory alert in the U.S. on charges of sexually assaulting minors in 1994 and which was 30 days in jail and 10 years probation in Dallas was avoided, Texas

    So is Mexico only refusing entry to those convicted of sexual assault or rape of minors? And is Mexico only refusing entry at the specified locations?

    • Paul

      I got stopped in Cabo, so add that to the list. Also, my conviction was a misdemeanor ( only arrest and conviction of my life), isn’t one of those listed.

  87. mch

    It appears that Mexico is only stopping American registered tourists from entering their country at the various tourist locations that have airports; Cabo, Cancun, Mexico City. As of yet, I’ve never been stopped at the border driving into Mexico. No doubt, at some point I will be…

  88. BILL

    Just a follow up my need to travel to Mexico on business. I did an expensive two day trip as a test. And I had no problem, so after a great deal of consideration and prayers I made it into Mexico with no problems. My personal suggestion is not to go there if at all possible. I understand when it’s really necessary, but for vacations and leisure travel, DON’T. The embarrassment and expense is not worth it, at least not until our government stops scaring the crap out of other countries needlessly.

    • JB

      Bill – Glad that worked out for you. It appears that if you have been relieved of the duty to register and removed from your state’s DOJ database, a notice will not be sent out on you. However, if you have ever moved from a different state, this notice will be generated even if you are no longer required to register. Keep in mind, that Canada and Japan share the USA criminal databases and will have access to this information and most likely will refuse entry.

      It is uncertain how you or others may be affected in the future on international travel if US H.R. 4573 passes the Senate / enacted.

  89. BILL

    I did not know of the legislation being proposed. Thanks for the information JB, jarring and depressing. Double jeopardy with lifetime U.S. imprisonment as a sentence. I’ll send in a donation later this week. I appreciate those working in CA RSOL for their efforts in fighting for justice.

    • JB

      Yes, it’s jarring and somewhat depressing, but knowing is much better then not knowing and being caught off guard. In fact the one primary defense we have is knowing what’s lurking out there pushing against our constitutional constraints. Being compliant, informed and able to stand up for your rights when they are in the wrong seems to be what irritate customs and law enforcement most.

      Bill you must not be from California, which is fortunate, because here registration is ‘for life.’ Be careful traveling within the USA, as states may or may not recognize 10 year relief, depending on the offense. Again, the proverbial, knowledge is power…

  90. steve

    All this talk on the subject but has ANYONE contacted the ACLU?

    • Speedy

      This is a little off topic but related. Does anyone know if Mexico and other countries in Central America are turning away RSOs who are on cruise ships? I have also seen reports on the internet that Royal Carribbean is not allowing RSOs to cruise but are the other cruise lines following suit?

  91. Paul

    My wife and I are thinking of taking a 3 day cruise from L.A., to Mexico. Has anyone dared this since Mexican agents started meeting us at airport gates? I don’t know how much different the immigration process is with regards to cruises v. flying in.

    Also, having never taken a cruise before, is the immigration process the same when returning to a U.S. port? I know that this is a “closed-loop” cruise, so I don’t know what all the differences are.

    Any help that anyone can offer is greatly appreciated!

    Thanks so much.

    Paul

    • Morty75

      This past April, after being denied entry into Mexico, I was able to take a Carnival Cruise to the Bahamas on short notice. My experience in Mexico is similar to everyone else on this forum.

      As far as a “Closed loop” cruise goes it doesn’t matter. I have been on 3 cruises since 2006 and my experience has been the same every time. When you get off of the ship you will be pulled aside for a “random” screening. Customs will go through all of your luggage, question you, inspect all of your electronic devices, and generally harass you. My wife always goes with me for this process which I believe makes the customs officers uncomfortable (we enjoy this part). Don’t book any after cruise excursions because you wont make them.

      This is the same treatment that I have received upon returning to the US by plane.

      I am currently booked on a Southern Caribbean Cruise out of Puerto Rico on Royal Caribbean. I’ve heard nothing from the regarding my background.

      Hope this helps

    • Love to Travel

      Try cruising out of NYC sometime. I did that last year and there was no secondary.

  92. mch

    Anonymous;

    Sorry for my very late response to your question. Yes, I use my passport and I’m 100% sure it’s chipped and includes my arrest information. I believe it is scanned and read before I even get to the agent at the “toll booth”. All they do is run the passports through a scanner and flag us over to secondary. I usually hop out of the car and walk across the border just to avoid the embarrassment that comes with the unnecessary delay and vehicle inspection. Maybe I’ll run it through a demagnetized or something. Also, the row of numbers on the passport carries significant meaning and basic personal data. Someday I’ll figure it all out.

  93. steve

    I wonder what International Court of Law would say on this issue??

  94. oncefallendotcom

    Wonder where I can find info on this “Guardian Angel” program.

    http://www.banderasnews.com/1405/nb-mexico-guardian-angel-program.htm

    ‘Guardian Angel’ Keeps Sex Offenders Out of Vallarta
    BanderasNews.com
    May 9, 2014

    Puerto Vallarta, Jalisco, Mexico – During the recent two-week Easter vacation period, Immigration officials at the Puerto Vallarta Airport denied entry to four foreign citizens with criminal records in their home country for sex-related offenses, according to Jalisco Government Secretary Arturo Zamora.

    Zamora reported that the men were between the ages of 33 and 55, but he did not reveal their nationalities or identities. All were flown back to their home countries by the airlines on which they arrived.

    Zamora went on to say that the visitors were identified before they entered Mexico, thanks to an international interchange of information.

    At the end of March Zamora announced that during the previous nine months 38 foreigners convicted in their home countries of sexual crimes against minors had been refused entry into Mexico by immigration staff working at the Guadalajara and Puerto Vallarta airports.

    All of this, thanks to a program known as “Guardian Angel,” which allows Mexican Immigration officials to identify and prevent people with previous criminal convictions from entering the country.

  95. Michael

    I was denied entry in Manila though my purpose was to marry my fiancee and file a K-3 Visa Application for her through the US consulate. Not only has Homeland Security (who sent an alert) prevented me from entering another country through harassment and malfeasance, they are now interfering in my right to marry whom I choose. If I cannot get this to work through legal channels (I am currently working with Senator Tammy Baldwin’s office to hopefully be able to file a K-1 visa app with a waiver for the physical meeting requirement), then I will have to either renounce my US citizenship in protest and become a stateless person (it would take me off the registry for sure–the Feds can’t compel a non-citizen to register as they have no legal jurisdiction), or turn to illegal methods to get her here. I am very pessimistic as to being able to marry my fiancee, whom I love more than life itself, but I see now that there is very little hope or help for me, and I blame no one. I am the one who put myself in this situation. Even though my conviction is 16 years old from when I was 17-18, and I served all my time rather than do parole (I was released last year), Wisconsin, and the government, still continues to marginalize and punish under the color of law. I gave up fighting for other people’s rights in the joint because they don’t care enough to defend themselves. I have no education, was denied by the Art Institute from joining to gain a college education, have no trade skill, no job prospects, and nothing to give me any kind of future, or even hope for one. If all my efforts fail, then I will have no choice but to simply quit the game of life. For me, it is black and white. There is no gray area in dealing with this form of tyranny, and if you can’t play the game and have even a remote chance of winning, then why play? Not worth it to me. Better to die than live a half-life as a slave and pariah in a country I cannot escape from, apart forever from the woman I love and who loves me in spite of my past.

    • wonderin

      I’m sorry to hear of your situation, Michael, but even if you get a waiver you will still need thousands of dollars for immigration paperwork and procedures plus a decent verifiable income to qualify financially to show an ability to support your wife.
      Many things can be done with enough knowledge and determination but it’s getting harder and more expensive day by day. Best of luck.

    • David Kennerly

      You cannot renounce your citizenship to become a stateless person. The U.S. government will not allow it. You can call yourself “stateless” but it will not be recognized by the U.S. or any other government. You will continue to be subject to U.S. laws and taxes.

      It’s extremely difficult (and close to impossible) for a RSO to get citizenship anywhere else.

      Sorry!

  96. Odemadrid

    I will share my success story. After lots of time and money, my lawyer was able to get me off the sex offender list (I was 17 when I had sex with my 14 yo neighbor). Texas got me off the list earlier this year!

    However, I was stopped in Mexico coming on my way back to the US from South America! This was because of a temporary Florida registration that I filed during a visit years ago and somehow still showed in the national registry. I was able to get Florida to get me off their books!

    I then called the INTERPOL, which were useless. However, the US Marshall’s were very cooperative. Records were modified to stop any future notifications being sent in the future to any countries.

    I tested it this weekend and successfully went to Puerto Vallarta! I was very nervous when they scanned my passport, but things went smoothly!

    • steve

      Good for you! So basically you need to get off the list to travel. I was worried they’d still report to interpol even if you only had a record.

    • JBCal

      Odemadrid:

      Great to hear you were able to return to Mexico. Interesting you were able to actually get removed from Florida. Heard they even keep deceased registrants listed…

      When you contacted the US Marshall’s office, was it a special division or ?

      It might also be helpful to people here to know what country in So. America you flew to/out of because, if Mexico had the “list” on you, it was probably sent to the boarding S.A. country as well and it seems you did not have a problem there (?)

      Again, congratulations. Well deserved relief for your future travels.

    • Paul

      That’s fantastic! Can I ask how you managed to get Florida to remove you from their list?

      Thanks!

    • mike

      I am looking for a good attrny. sounds as if yours was pro-active in getting this finality. Congrats. After dealing with a couple of vampire want to be”s I THINK I may have one that is somewhat familiar with this area of law. any successful case history as yours would be very helpful. I WOULD APPRECIATE his or her contact info. I too am in Texas and this is a 20+ year old success story in the eyes of all. I would love to have the opportunity to interview with success in the case that my attrny. as of now does not work out. Thanks Mike.

  97. John

    Well girlfriend and I just tried to go to Mexico and I was denied entry as I am an RSO from Texas. Right now it looks like every time an RSO books an International flight the destination country will be notified no matter the location. Looks like we are locked in the good all USA.

  98. Daniel

    Hello All,

    I am going on a cruise in a few months, that leaves out of Miami. It is a 7 day cruise, from sunday to sunday (actually less than 7 days) that visits 5 different countries, Mexico is one of them. I know people have had problems getting into Mexico. However, I am not “flying” in. There is no plane to send me back on, and I will not even be in these countries for a full 8 hours.

    I will be visiting Grand Cayman, Caymand Islands; Cozumel, Mexico, and Belize. I do not need a passport, so I will only have my drivers license and birth certificate. Can anyone tell me what types of problems to expect, mainly those who have been on cruises.

    Thanks for any help you could give. Please answer only if you have been on Cruises recently since this mexico issue

  99. Re: Guardian Angel Program Prevents Sex Offenders from Entering Mexico

    Here’s the message I received from my Mexican immigration attorney who’s working with me trying to get permission to enter Mexico.

    Honestly, I have not been thinking about your situation since I sent the report. I said I was going to do a series of Information Requests and the truth is that I got paranoid. Doing these requests would raise some serious eye-brows.

    Another issue I had in the back of your mind is the question of whether or not you are still seriously involved with the Mexican woman and wish to continue the battle.

    If you want to move forward, let me know.

  100. Re: Guardian Angel Program Prevents Sex Offenders from Entering Mexico

    As you know this type of crimes get a lot of attention and social rejection, nonethelss I was acquitted,and want
    to enter the country .

    • Tired of hiding

      I know right! If only we had murdered someone and done our time. Travel would be no problem at all but get labelled anything to do with sex and you are all the sudden worse than Satan himself!

      It’s a real shame that the USA has to export its stupidity about this useless RSO listing BS along with the its other “gifts” to the rest of the world like fast food and obesity!

  101. Off Registry

    I am now off the registry. I was on it for 15 years but recently removed. It looks like there have been a couple people who have taken cruises and not been banned from their cruises even with Mexico stops (as mine includes). Any further developments and how do I contact the U.S.Marshalls office to check my status before flying to Mexico again. Last time I flew into Mexico-Cabo (Jan 2014) I was not allowed to enter and forced to return to the U.S. on the plan that brought me.

    • Daniel

      Glad to hear,

      I kind’ve figured that a cruise would be fine. You are in other countries, but ONLY for a short time, usually 8 hours or less. The majority of the time, you are cruising at Sea. I would hate for law enforcement to send notification to the actual Cruise line. That would definitely be a denial. As this cruise approaches in 3 months, I’m getting a little nervous.

      • Off Registry

        My cruise is not a closed loop cruise. Mine will be departing in one city and returning to another city, two weeks, with stops in Mexico and through the Panama Canal. My departure date is not until late April next year so I would be interested in hearing from you on your experience. Enjoy your cruise!

  102. Alienated

    Question for Off Registry,

    I was invited for a cruise to Mexico but decided to not go. this news might change my mind. Is it okay for cruises to say Baja Mexico, Ensenada ? Let me know.

  103. re: you mexican attourney, bounce this off him

    The U.S. government is no doubt pulling a snake move here. They can not restrict travel so they notify the destination country of a potentially questionable person resulting in denied entry…….Pretty slick, They violate the law without violating the law.

    So, I read this thread a week ago and did some digging around. I would say fly in with an FM2 visa.(fm2 gives you all the rights of a Mexican citizen except voting and holding a Mexican passport)

    How do you get one of those? Not as hard as you might think (bit of cost and effort involved). Drive across the border and hire an attorney to file articles of incorporation.There is little restriction on filing for a foreign owned business in Mexico, in fact it doesn’t even have to conduct business. You include in the filing the requirement that any employee or officer hired by company be granted an fm2 visa for work purposes.

    You can not request your own original filing of an FM2,This must be done by an existing business. To get around this, hire an accountant to do your monthly tax filing ($75.00) and a one time fm2 application (1000.00+) on behalf of your newly filed corporation, requesting the required FM2 for the company officer as required by your articles of incorporation.

    Go home to the U.S. return in 30 days and pick up your indefinitely renewable (by you now) fm2.

    Now you can certainly drive across the border and fly anywhere in the country on that visa without the need for your U.S. passport. I would suspect that you could also fly in from the U.S., present your FM2 upon entry, and exercise your right to be in Mexico.

    This would be for a person that wanted to make several or yearly trips. Probably to costly for a single casual vacation.

    For those who are registrants that want to relocate to Mexico permanently, it appears this can be done as well.

    First exercise existing Mexican law by establishing a foreign owned corporation complete with FM2, Then follow the framework laid out in (UNITED STATES v. MURPHY)

    This exposes a S.O.R.N.A. wrinkle, that makes this both possible and legal.

    (it sucks reading case law,but this one is golden)

    http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-10th-circuit/1589851.html

    It appears that if you first get an FM2, you can relocate to (non S.O.R.N.A. jurisdiction) Mexico. The United States court of appeals points out that your S.O.R.N.A. requirements are fulfilled when exiting a S.O.R.N.A. jurisdiction (the U.S.) and going to a non S.O.R.N.A. jurisdiction, so long as you change your address to Mexico within 3 days. Once in Mexico you are no longer required to report anything, you may move around as you see fit on the visa that you already had before you got there.

    I am no lawyer, this is just my perspective on both Mexican and U.S. law that i have come across and is currently in place. I can not find anything that would stop this from working. This is simply meant to be a foundation for further investigation. If anyone knows of a law that would prevent this please post it. If anyone has access to a lawyer who is knowledgeable in this area please forward this info to them for comment.
    Thanks

    • Anonymous Nobody

      Interesting idea, even if costly. But I note one thing to look into: Since 9/11, the US has required all people traveling on a plane or ship to present a passport at the border, although those driving across the border can still reenter with simple proof of citizenship. So, don’t forget to bring your US passport so you can reenter.

    • Timmmy

      But. does getting an FM-2 require background check? Even an FM3?

      • Jason

        FM2 and FM3 don’t exist any more in Mexico. (since 2012)

        Here’s a good overview of the system: http://www.mexperience.com/lifestyle/living-in-mexico/visas-and-immigration/

        Basically, you have to apply for your temporary or permanent visa at a Mexican Consulate in the US. (application includes criminal background question) Then once you get the visa you have to cross into Mexico at an official point of entry. Then you have to go to an immigration office in Mexico to “activate” the visa.

        • Timmmy

          Thanks for that updated info. I was researching into that business idea very seriously.

          Fortunately I have two things going for me many do not. #1 I have a Mexican spouse, and not a RSO (yet).

          One state was trying hard for years to get me on it. I finally left, and have been hanging out in other places. I got a new Mexican tourist permit this past December.

          Looks like I could get a residency visa via the wife.

          I do wish the site was a bit more in detail on how to get them

          • Jason

            @Timmmy You said “and not a RSO (yet).”

            If you are on probation, parole, supervised release, have any outstanding warrants, or charges pending, I’d imagine you’re going to have issues.

            If you are clear from the above, I’d strongly recommend that you get out while you can in what ever legal manner is available to you. A spouse (or child) of another nationality gives you a huge advantage, as many countries try to protect their families rather than destroy them. (real family values)

            • Timmmy

              I am not any of the above, but as I mentioned, one state was trying very hard for years to get me on. Though I think I have found the solution via some other states. Three states so far have found against some provisions of these new laws because their state’s Constitutions have “no retroactive laws” clause in each of them. This those states highest courts have deemed forcing people on registration lists when their conviction was prior to the enactment of the law violated those clauses. I am hoping to get another state on the list soon.

              I do have a Mexican national as a wife, and a child with her with dual citizenship.

              On the advice of my attorney he told me to just get out now. So I did.

              But now I see some advances in courts on retroactive decisions which I need to bring up with him.

              In case you are wondering, those states are. Oklahoma, Ohio, and I think #3 is Virgina, but I oould be wrong/

              • PK

                @Timmmy I’m actually in a very similar situation. Are you able to fly in to Mexico?
                I wish we could connect somehow.

              • Timmmy

                I am have not flown since 2004. Had no interest with the Gestapo “protecting” us.

                Last time I probably flew to Mexico was 2000.

                Didn’t you list an email address on here before?

              • PK

                I did I think there was a thread advising people not to post their email address.

                Perhaps the Moderator could assist.

              • Timmmy

                If you look back at April 14, 2015, one did post an email address,

                Perhaps post a throw away one. Plenty of free services for that.

        • PK

          “Then once you get the visa you have to cross into Mexico at an official point of entry” that is of course if Mexico gives you the visa, which they are not obligated to do. It’s my understanding they are not allowing “any sex offenders” into the country. From what I heard, marriage can override that. Again this would require money and a Mexican Attorney.

          I’m not too keen on the part about coming back to the US just to go the Consulate, then leave again. IDK.

          • Timmmy

            According to that link, if you are married to a Mexican national, you do not have to leave the country to visit the consulate.

            But since they gave me another visit authorization this past December, I am assuming I am okay,

  104. Dual Citizen

    What if an offender has dual citizenship with two passports? Speaking for myself of course, (misdemeanor 290 registrant of California) could I travel NOT using my US passport but my other one? Does anyone have any insight into this?

    • JBCal

      Dual Citizen:

      It is the general understanding of my attorney that “when entering or leaving the United States” by citizens holding dual passports, US Immigration requires that you must use your US issued Passport.

      You should verify this with your own attorney.

    • Joe

      Good idea. I had this sort of discussion (in an unrelated setting) with someone a while back and this is what I remember.

      First of all, I think JBCal is correct. Furthermore, when you check in at the airline counter with a foreign passport and a round trip ticket the airline will ask you for your return documentation. Either a passport, a green card or a visa or the like before letting you board the flight. I understand the airlines get penalized for every passenger that enters the US without proper documentation, taking up customs time, and therefore the airlines will nip this in the bud on the way out.

      Not sure what happens when you leave with a foreign passport on a one way flight. It would seem that as a foreigner, technically speaking, absent a visa or any entry related documents / tourist status (which would be somewhere in the pages of the foreign passport) you would be considered an illegal alien. Also no bueno.

      Let us know if the above is incorrect.

      • Dual Citizen

        Thank you for the input JBCal and Joe. It looks like I’m going to need advice from an attorney. For my specific case, I would be purchasing a one way ticket, NOT round-trip. And you are correct, there are no stamps on the non-US passport as I never had to use it. I’ll keep you guys posted once I get in contact with an attorney if there is still interest in this.

        • JBCal

          Dual:

          Why don’t you just cross on foot to Tijuana as several have said here and then use your second passport to fly from the TJ airport? You could probably return the same way as well. Just a thought. (Beware any AWA requirements.)

    • Michael

      If you are a citizen of any particular country, they can’t keep you out. (If that’s the question)
      I knew two RSOs who were American/British and American/Canadian. Each said they had no trouble going back and forth between those two countries and the US.

      • Tired of hiding

        If you are a resident or citizen of both countries then you would just get searched as per usual reentry treatment at customs. You state that you know 2 individuals then you state “who were American/British and American/Canadian” so I am assuming that is what you are referring too. Correct?

  105. Dman

    Hi everyone,

    I’m set to go to Mexico for my honeymoon, but now I’m having serious concerns after reading this thread. I was convicted of a sex crime in 1998 when I was 13 years of age. I was relieved of the duty to register around 2007 and had my record sealed and firearm rights restored in August of last year. I intend to call the US Marshall’s office and see if they can help me out or at least let me know if my passport is flagged per Odemadrid’s success story, but was hoping some of you denied entry could explain your situation more. Mostly I’m wondering if everyone denied entry is still required to register as a SO or if people are being denied even after being relieved of the duty to register. Any insight is greatly appreciated.

    Thanks

    • Tired of hiding

      If I were you I would make other plans. Why let the government ruin an event that should be the new beginning of a wonderful life event as they did years ago. Why even take the chance when you have read the experiences here (and these are just a fraction of the people in California’s experiences…not from the entire USA)!

      I would not think it is worth the risk. Go to Hawaii instead! No problems…amazing beaches, romantic sunsets, just what you need…OH and NO possibility of them f**king up your memories!

      Oh and congratulations BTW!
      Lee

    • JBCal

      Dman:

      Congratulations. If you have not moved to another state and have not registered in another state, you should be OK based on your current relief to register. I believe AWA/Sorna does not apply to juvenile offenders under 14. But no one can be sure –and that’s how they like it.

      The disgusting part is the U.S. does not warn travelers before hand. They easily could. This is intentionally punitive. Look at what they did to ‘Tired of hiding,’ and the money he lost. Pointless.

      It seems U.S. Law Enforcement will do as much as possible to keep punishing every reformed person with a past offense. No matter how small or how old.

      Good luck, wish we were being informed and knew for sure.

      • Dman

        Thanks Tired of hiding, and JBCal.

        I have never relocated so I’m pretty sure I’m safe in terms of other states. I actually called the Marshall’s office and inquired about NSOTC and SORNA. They transferred me to an extremely nice guy named Bill who knew exactly what I was talking about. I explained the situation to him and he said that they only flag currently registering offenders. He said that the only way I could possibly run into trouble is if they (Mexico) ran a random background check on me during the passport scanning which he found extremely unlikely, but couldn’t give a definitive answer on. Even then he said he’s not 100% sure what the background would show and of course how they would handle it.

        Per Odemadrid’s success story, and my speaking to the Marhsall I really suspect only registered people have to deal with this. I obviously still disagree wholeheartedly with the policy, but for those of you out there reading in the future registration seems to be the difference between being flagged or not. I will definitely update everyone here as to my success or failure come the day of my honeymoon as well.

        I will admit I still have some fear in my heart over the trip, but I’ve learned over the years that I can’t give into it. If I continued to live in fear as I did until I was near 22 years old I would still be sitting in my room having my parents support me. If we get turned around it will be embarrassing, and it will suck, but I won’t know those people, and we will just book a flight to Hawaii ASAP.

        To any browsers out there struggling keep your head up! Stuff like this sucks, but life can be good! I know this isn’t the place for some sort of testimonial, but I feel compelled to say that I thought my life would suck and it’s already been a hell of a lot better than I expected!

        • steve

          This statement (copied from above) is truly disturbing:

          “Green Notice
          To provide warnings and intelligence about persons who have committed criminal offences and ARE LIKELY TO REPEAT THESE CRIMES IN OTHER COUNTRIES.”

          So you are telling me a man who wants to travel with FAMILY is likely to repeat and that’s the purpose of the notice? How can they get away with this? Don’t they need to prove that about an individual? This list that we are on his given the government carte blanche to take away our liberty and freedom. Yeah Supreme Court Justice Roberts it’s just like “applying for membership at Costco”.

          • Tired of hiding

            EXACTLY THE PROBLEM!

            Our own government is telling another government that WE are DANGEROUS…so DANGEROUS that we need to be tracked FOR LIFE!

            Now…who on earth would any other government even consider letting someone like that cross into their country?

            Our government is being actively hostile towards registered citizens! Citizens who long since paid any dept to society and should be allowed to continue with their one and only live on this planet.

            What give the government of the USA the right to call us damaged or dangerous individuals? It is time to SUE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER/SLANDER.

            Lee

            • JBCal

              Tired of hiding:

              Not sure if you meet the low risk designation of the CASOMB report, but if you do, you probably have a strong case to challenge the US sending statements of: “LIKELY TO REPEAT THESE CRIMES IN OTHER COUNTRIES.”

              You could even engage a state certified Psych to administer a Static 99r, etc test and use that as a legal challenge.

              As far as sending a criminal record, that’s a matter of fact and unfortunately for everyone, not likely to be suppressed.

              Another option is to present directly to Argentina or ? a report of “not being a threat.” Canada allows this for most offenses after 10 years’ clean record.

              The US government sending out an outrageous statement like this is straight out of “Minority Report” or ‘1984.’ Seems that action could even be challenged as ‘punitive.’

              Good luck.

              • Tired of hiding

                Don’t think that will matter as long as the US government is sending out these slanderous announcements. Why would a country NOT deny entry when our own government is stating with absolutely no facts to back it up that we are:

                “LIKELY TO REPEAT THESE CRIMES IN OTHER COUNTRIES.”

                This is totally unfair and essentially the USA is trapping us within the boarders of the USA and yet…even within those boarders we are monitored and not allowed free access even here!

                If there is any lawyer or legal entity out there reading this…I am fully prepared to sue the Federal government for slander of my good name when travelling.

                Please leave contact information OR contact me via the admins of this website who have access to my email address!

                Thank you!

  106. mch

    Dman,

    Regarding your honeymoon plans; first, congratulations! Next, I wouldn’t expect much help from the US Marshall’s office, so you might consider making an appointment with your nearest Mexican Consulate. Inquire about an FMM, which is a tourist card. That cannot be issued by the consulate, only by the Mexican immigration office or by the airline you’re flying on. Once you land in Mexico, you pay the $75 fee and they stamp it. On departure from Mexico, you turn the card back in. I hope your plans work out, and there should be no record of your past available. Experience tells us that we can’t trust our own government so do your homework and get your passage in writing somehow.
    Good luck and God Bless.

  107. Dman

    Mch,

    Thanks for the advice. From what I read our airline should provide the FMM form before we arrive in Mexico. Is there an advantage to getting it sooner? My big concern is that they scan my passport and then send me right back to the plane as others have had happen. Does the FMM circumvent passport scanning in some way?

    Thanks again

  108. Anonymous

    Dman,

    The easiest way to find out for sure what’s going to happen on your honeymoon trip, is to arrange a short one or two day trip to same location using the same travel plans and see if you have any problem.

    No matter what anyone tells you what they think will happen, you won’t know for sure till you actually make the trip.

    Good Luck

  109. Anonymous

    Odemadrid.

    If are able to give people your lawyer’s name, that would be great.

    He, or she really seems to know what they’re doing. Getting off the florida list is really surprising to hear and great news..

    Thanks

  110. Dman

    I just wanted to update everyone. We landed in Puerta Vallarta a few hours ago and I was extremely nervous! Needless to say I made it through immigration and customs without a hitch! We’re enjoying our lovely hotel now, and I am so relieved to have made it through.

    • JBCal

      Dman:

      Congratulations! I’m sure it’s an enjoyable relief that it worked out for you and your honeymoon plans. You should never have been on it anyway at 13(!), but the good news is you are off the Registry and able to travel as relatively normal citizen.

      Thanks for letting us all know and enjoy your well earned freedom!

      Cheers,

    • RR

      Dman, congratulations on your honeymoon. Could you let me know the U.S.Marshalls phone number you used? I would like to talk to them before my cruise in April 2015.
      Thanks, Off Registry

  111. Dman

    I called my local branch found here http://www.usmarshals.gov/contacts/districts.html

    I then inquired about the National sex offedser targeting center and SORNA to the general operator and got transferred to the correct department.

    • Tired of hiding

      Thanks for the link. What specifically did you ask them? Did you ask if you were included in a government list of some sort? Did you give them your name or just ask general questions? Did you ask specifically about your destination country – Mexico or international travel in general?

      Any information would be useful (your questions and their replies). Thank you

      • Dman

        I told the initial operator I had some questions about NSOTC and SORNA. I had to say what NSOTC stands for to get transferred to the correct department. After a few rings a nice guy named Bill answered. I gave him my first name, and explained my situation (age of offense, off registry, sealed record, why and where I’m traveling too) I also explained to him that I’ve read quite a few stories about RSOs getting denied entry to Mexico based on some sort of flagging of their passport.

        He told me that if I was truly 100% off the registry and had a court order saying so that I should be fine. He said the flagging of passports is “because other countries want to know when a dangerous offender is entering their country.” He also said that it may be possible I could get denied if they ran an international background check, but he wasn’t 100% sure what such a check would show, and said that it was extremely unlikely that they would run one without probable cause.

        That’s really all I spoke to him about. I did keep questions specific to my scenario, but from the few answers I got from him it sounded very much like all registered people will generate a notification.

        • Tired of hiding

          OK, thanks for the additional info.

          It would seem to confirm my experience of being denied entry to Argentina last month despite having gone there many many times. Seems that we are now truly being held captive within the boarders of the USA!

          Time to fight this although I am sure nothing will be done successfully. I guess I should be happy that I have traveled so much prior to this becoming stand operating procedure in 2013. I have visited 25 countries and lived long term out of the USA over 7 full years prior to my returning in 2012.

          I curse the day I returned and would never had done so had I know it would mean I was going to be trapped here like a prisoner. The punishments just keep growing year after year after year.

          2nd chance…not a 2nd chance of that happening. Do not pass GO collect nothing. Game over.

  112. vahall

    Tired of Hiding – I’ve followed your posts with admiration and interest. Don’t give up yet. To paraphrase someone — it’s not over until I’ve gotten my way. If I haven’t gotten my way…it’s not over.

    • Tired of hiding

      Thank you for your comments on my posts. I certainly do NOT plan on ever giving up until I have won the right to explore this planet like every other human being alive today. I do not beleive in these artificial lines drawn on paper that are supposed to define who people are…that is simply an illusion and not reality.

      Likewise, I am not going to let a few narrow minded politicians dictate what I can do with my life, where I can go, and what experiences I can have.

      I am not giving up – ever!

      • Bob

        So what you all are saying,That if i go to Mexico and take my daughter and her husband that was charged with a sex offence 2007 served 4 years and did his probation time which is over with,Me an my daughter can cross the border ,But he can not,Either to Visit or Move there in a home i own in Mexico.
        My concern is if he goes with us there,what would be the out come on him getting into Mexico

    • FRegistryTerrorists

      That is a great saying and everyone listed on a nanny big government Registry should adopt it. There will continue to be problems until I get my way.

  113. Bob

    Strange world we all live in i feel,Funny how you read all about RSO’s on here and how states have so much against them like not allowing them into Mexico,which in someways understandable,But yet they allow people that been charged with big drug charges,that has killed kids cause all dealers cared about was selling and making money,ALSO they allow people that has killed a child for no reason,Kidnappers that harm and killed children.etc etc
    Lets get this straight >>
    1 – Reg.Sex offender >>>>>>>>>>> Get red Flagged ,Not allowed to enter Mexico
    2 – Murders that kill kids >>>>> Are allowed to enter Mexico and reside there
    3 – Kidnappers that harm Kids>>> Also allowed to Enter an live in Mexico
    4 – Drunk driver(Kills a Child)> Allowed to enter and live there in Mexico
    Just a few exsamples here and from i have read and learned,MEXICO is saying in a way you can
    Kill a Child with Drugs A Car (Drunk driver) Kidnapping Shooting and killing or beating them to death AND THEY ARE ALLOWED TO ENTER MEXICO to visit or Live , But a RSO can not even tho he,she has served their time in prison an finished out probation – no longer under supervision. What again i will ask WHATS THIS WORLD COMING TOO ? (How many people in this world truely has been charged with a crime they never committed,But still labeled as a Murder,Kidnappers,RSO,Drug Dealer etc etc,And still have to live with that label just cause the Justice system failed to do their jobs How many people (Male or Female) Spent years in lockup for a crime they never committed,But when they get out Justice System looks at them and Sorry we made a mistake,Were the Justice in that?
    SO IN MY EYES ANYONE THAT HAS HURT,KILLED A CHILD IN ONE OR THE OTHER SHOULD BE TREATED ALL THE SAME,EITHER ALL CAN VACATION OR LIVE IN MEXICO OR NONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO,THEY ALL PAID FOR THERE CRIMES,LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE IS A LOT PREJUSTICE GOING ON ABOUT WHO CAN OR CAN NOT ENTER MEXICO

  114. mch

    Bob,

    Regarding traveling to Mexico;
    Here’s my experiences so far. I travel to Rosarito about 4-6 times a year. Rosarito, TJ and Ensenada are in the designated “tourist zone”, but south of Ensenada or the interior (mainland) of Mexico, one needs a FMM travel permit of sorts, issued by Mexican Immigration. My next trip to Rosarito I’ll spend the $20 it takes to get this permit, that is, if I can. This will be a good test for me since I hope to travel to Cancun in June 2015. My travel to Cancun will be through TJ Airport and I’ll get a new FMM since they’re only good for 180 days or until you leave the country.
    So, to answer your question, if you have a place in the designated tourist zone, there’s no problem crossing the border at TJ into Mexico. However, returning home, plan to be sent to secondary inspection for a game of 20 questions. Hope this helps. Do Not Try to pull any shenanigans while in Mexico, like traveling beyond the tourist zones without a permit. The outcome will not be pretty.

    • Daniel

      Mch,

      What about a cruise that makes 1 day stops in different countries, Mexico being one of them. As long as you stay in the tourist zone will they send you back home? Please advise as I would not be on a plane, but a cruise ship stopping there for less than 8 hours

      • no comment

        Daniel, which cruise line will you be on? I have seen a couple reports on the internet about RSOs being denied boarding on RCI ships and have also heard the same for Disney.

        • Daniel

          I will be on Carnival. Has anyone heard anything about them? I know about Disney and RCI. Hopefully they would have told me BEFORE flying down there, and not AT BOARDING

          • Mike Darling

            I have, no problems. Have fun! Just know you’ll be pulled over as you de board and have to do the Customs questioning game.

  115. Bob

    I have read many stories on here,comments etc.,
    Lets get this straight >>
    1 – Reg.Sex offender >>>>>>>>>>> Get red Flagged ,Not allowed to enter Mexico
    2 – Murders that kill kids >>>>> Are allowed to enter Mexico and reside there
    3 – Kidnappers that harm Kids>>> Also allowed to Enter an live in Mexico
    4 – Drunk driver(Kills a Child)> Allowed to enter and live there in Mexico

    And the List goes on an on,But when comes to buying a passport,ANYONE can get one and travel anywhere WHOOPS! up until they get to the border and then not allowed to enter Mexico Etc.
    But the justice system SELLS Everyone and anyone a passport.
    What Screw System of Justice we have in our world.

    Question : So if they take there money for a passport and never told them they can not enter
    Mexico , I think that would be a crime LISTED AS Arm Robbery

  116. mch

    Daniel,

    It’s my understanding that a passport is not needed on some cruises, specifically those out of Long Beach, CA that go for 3-5 days with one stop in Ensenada. Ensenada is within the tourist zone and I’ve not heard of anyone being checked exiting a cruise ship for a day in Ensenada. Keep in mind that everything is dynamic regarding RSO’s and policies can change overnight. Just because I have not heard of nor seen background checks on a cruise ship don’t mean it ain’t gonna happen.
    Good luck and keep doing right.

    • Daniel

      Thanks Mch,

      I will be making one day stops in belize, mexico, and cayman islands. All of these are within the “tourist” zone. I leave this weekend, and nervous.

      • Off Registry

        Daniel, What was your cruise experience. I plan on going through the Panama Canal in a few months. Anxiously awaiting your report.

  117. Stubbley

    I was just denied entry at Cabo Sunday (Nov 30th), flying in from Seattle. I’m a level 1 RSO. As my party walked into the immigration zone, a policeman casually asked to see my passport. I showed it to him, and he waved another guy over. I realize now he was looking for me specifically. He took over to the little office and said I was flagged as an RSO, and asked what for. Told me that Mexico doesn’t allow SO’s into the country and asked if I wanted to call the American Consulate. I asked if that would do me any good, and he said no, so why bother? I bid my family goodbye and they walked me straight back to the plane I’d just left. As other people have mentioned, it pisses me off that nobody told me that this would happen before I left. It would have been a bummer, but at least I could have salvaged the miles or price of the ticket. Now I’m realizing that I’m effectively trapped in the US at least for another couple years when perhaps I can petition a judge to remove me from the list. But now that Mexico has this information about me, I may never be able to go there again, if they’ve flagged my passport in their own systems. I guess I can understand why another country might need to know about the level 2’s or 3’s (violent), but does someone that has been classified as unlikely to reoffend, not a danger to others, really need to be denied entry?

    • Tired of hiding

      I am a level one with the incident over 15 years ago. I have travelled to over 25 countries until last year when this BS started. I was denied entry to Argentina where I have been many times and even lived in for 6 years!

      I lost 2 tickets (for my partner and I) at $3500 and with other associated fees around $6000 lost and had to sit 8 hours in the airport unlike you because they only have flights every 8 hours back to L.A.

      This is unfair, unjust, and nothing is going to change.

  118. Cali4

    @tiredofhiding can you elaborate on when you got turned awa from Argentina
    – when
    – are you registered
    – child offense

    We’re trying to get to the bottom of what circumstances lead to some getting in and some not

  119. scott

    I am a RSO in Oregon – misdemeanor charge, not even a felony. I too was caught off guard and was denied entry into Mexico on 11/27/14. I’ve traveled to Mexico many times, so was extremely frustrated and disappointed when this happened. Does anyone know if Europe (specifically France) has this same issue? Planning a trip for Summer 2015 and would like to figure this out soon! thanks!

    • no comment

      Sorry to hear. I too am planning a trip to Europe in summer 2015. Any news from recent travelers there would be greatly appreciated!

    • B

      I traveled to Paris last year without any problem. I think they look at American laws with distain. Today I would probably start in Amsterdam to be extra safe.

  120. scott

    B – when did you travel to Paris? before or after the increased sharing of information?

    thanks for the update

    Scott

  121. MWinter

    I too was sent back to the US while trying to enter Cancun. My wife and I booked a trip in March of 2014 for travel on Nov. 5th. Of course I was denied entry and taken off the plane first. The Mexican Offical did state that it was the Untied States fault and that they were sending them the information. But how do they know where im going? this would mean that even the airline are giving the information to the Feds. I truned myself in to the lakewood police department in 1987. I plead guilty the Sexaul Assult on a child. I was placed on 6 years probation. I violated my probation by poss of cocaine and sent to prison in 1991. I was released in 1998. Never been in trouble since. Im now 51 years old living in Colorado still. I travel alot, more that twice a month. the last time my wife and I flew they told her she could used TSA Pre pass but I could now. I fly around this country 25 times a year and she might fly 5 times. I have filed for discontinued registration. I am mark for life.

    • Tired of hiding

      Yes, you are another victim of this ongoing attack on us by our own government who we must now see as a hostile enemy I afraid. They have proven that they have no interest in justice and only in an ongoing and ever increasing punishment of us even though most of have given total cooperation in the hopes it will help our situations…

      It has not…

      It continues to only get worse with each passing year. Now our own government is telling foreign governments that we are a threat and should not be allowed in and yet our government doesn’t have the balls to admit they are doing this. Well, enough of us have had it happen that we can all band together to tell exactly what immigration officials have said that that is…

      That they are denying us entry into their countries on the direct request of the government of the United States of America not to do so – Period.

  122. International Travel to Philippines

    Will Philippines allow RSO entry to vist for vacation?

  123. Tired of hiding

    Not a chance!

  124. Lue Flo

    This all sounds so unfair as to what is going on. I am really sorry guys. I am on the SOR in my state as well. When I was 20 I got my 15 year old girlfriend at the time and now future wife pregnant. I am currently 27 and we are currently still together and now have three beautiful daughters. And later this coming month will be getting married(she says “You will finally stop milking the cow for free”) I am now contemplating accepting a position for a company that would require travel to Mexico once a month??? Any advice??? I have been considering honestly stating a non profit organization to raise awareness to our rights and the unfairness and discriminations we face. If this sounds like something that would interest you or you would support email me at LFLO1167@yahoo

    God Bless

  125. Lue Flo

    and to add to my post above, looking back on the month of January if Martin Luther King had a dream, I DO AS WELL!

  126. brandon

    i just wanted to let everyone know that i am a registered sex offender in ga for something that happened when i was 18. i also am still on probation. last year april 2014 i went on a cruise with my wife of ten years. it was royal carribean. this past jan. we went to puerto rico for a week. very nice place. had no problem with cruise and went to haiti jamacia and cozmel. puerto rico only requores reg. if you stay morw than ten days. i know this because i went to local police station and asked. next eek we are going to cancun for a week. have had passport for yearnever flagged or been stopped for anything. will update you on my cancun trip as it developes.

  127. Tired of hiding

    Puerto Rico is part of the USA so there are no immigration entry points. You just walk off the plane/boat. I go all the time.

    The Cancun trip I will wager you will have your passport flagged.

  128. Matt

    I’m suppose to leave for Mexico 3-7-15 I am a RSO attempted 4th misdemeanor. I am going with my girlfriend, now I am nervous after reading these horrible stories. Should I not go, or chance it? Who can I check with to see if I’m flagged?

    • steve

      Based on everything posted here I would say there is huge possibility that you will be sent back and lose your money.

    • JBCal

      Matt- It is very likely you will be stopped at the gate and returned back to the USA. It appears all current registrants are being flagged on international flights and held/returned. Most unfairly, you do not have forewarning and there is not a person to contact, although the US Marshall’s office may be able to provide some information. Some threads on this site also provide some assorted contacts for “after the fact.”

      Sorry, but it’s better to know before you go or try to go.

  129. Matt

    I contacted US marshal and the Mexican counsel, they said I should not have a problem, then I contacted the Mexican authorities in Cancun I talked with them plus I have a name, and they said I should have no problem either, I’m going to hope for the best.

    • JBCal

      Matt: Tell them you will be in “Guardian Angel” from Homeland Security when you land. That will change their tune. (We are not aware of any exceptions if you currently register for any reason any where in the USA.)

      Of course if you try we all hope you have success and please report back what happens. Either way, best of luck.

  130. steve

    I would not trust what ANYONE says about this situation. You have nothing on paper and you are risking losing a lot of money. But it’s your dime.

  131. Matt

    I will definitely keep you updated, after talking with the US marshals, Mexican counsel , the Mexican immigration in Cancun, I have their names and phone numbers, I’m hoping I’ve covered all my bases.

  132. Matt

    Well guys I was embarrassed, called off the plane and within 45 minutes and back to the good old US, I don’t even know who to talk to to find out what agency is doing this, any clue?

    • Joe

      I thought you were leaving on March 7th. Did you try to travel to Mexico or through time?

      The Angel Watch Center (part of ICE (Immigrations / Customs Enforcement), part of Homeland Security) sends a notice to Interpol when you check in. The notice makes reference to your criminal past and mentions something to the effect that you are very likely to repeat such criminal activity in the host country. By the time you get to your destination Interpol has forwarded said notice (called a Green Notice) to the authorities in the destination country. The authorities at your destination proceed as they see fit, or how they think would be most pleasing to the the hand that feeds them (which, as everyone knows, you don’t bite). You know the rest of the drill.

      Pretty much everything anyone knows can be found here somewhere

      http://all4consolaws.org/tag/international-travel/
      http://all4consolaws.org/2014/06/international-megans-law-rso-travel-issues/

      Which is odd, because now you may – time and finances permitting – spend your vacation in a domestic vacation spot. Which now exposes precious American children to the danger you apparently represent. Go figure….

    • Tired of hiding

      Well at least you didn’t have a 13 hour flight to Buenos Aires and then an additional 8 hour wait (while being watched by police all that time) and then a 13 hour trip back to the USA! All in 48 hours without sleep (with 2 Chihuahuas I might add)!

      Consider yourself lucky!

  133. Matt

    Talked to US customs when I got back, they said we have no problem with traveling, they seem to think its TSA. Guys I hate that we get treated like a bad diaseas. We do what we can to play by the rules, try to have a “normal” life, is happiness out of our reach till we get off this damn thing?

    • JBCal

      Matt- Joe’s comment above told you exactly what the issue is and who is doing it. It was repeated by myself and in other threads here as well. Sadly, we knew this would happened and told you as much.

      You have to decide if you want to listen to “Law Enforcement” who encourage you to travel and spend your money, saying “no problem,” or people here who have been through the same actions and researched the topic many months ago.

      It may be “inconceivable” that Law Enforcement would lie or deceive, but I believe now you have some semblance of proof. At your expense I might add.

      Again, sorry it happened. There does not appear to be any solution and likely to get worse with HR 515.

      • vahall

        Never say never, JBCal. Never say “there doesn’t appear to be ANY solution”. Just because the answer is not on a public internet bulletin board, does not mean it does not exist.

  134. Matt

    JBCal I am greatful for the advice, is HR 515 the international Megan law? There should be a way around this? Like a form we can have signed, or something? I was told to go in person to the Mexican consultant here, not sure that would do any good.

  135. Henry

    hey guys, I wanted to inform you that i traveled to cabo feb 28th thru march 7th and was let in. After coming back to the states the tsa informed asked me how was i let thru? I told him why are you even asking me and he told me about this mess were all in. I didnt even know before i left and i was lucky to get in. A little info. Im a level RSO with the crime 14 years ago. Been off probation for years now. It was a child crime. I traveled to italy for my hunnymoon back in sept 2014 for 18 days. I was let in with no problem. Say for like i mentioned Cabo.

    Im not scared shitless as my sister is getting married in Cancun aug 1st. It seems like that all or a lot of the comments are for cancun. Has anyone traveled to cabo and got sent back?

    also guys my fathers client works for the TSA and is up there in rankings. I will have him check about cancun and see if the TSA puts the flag on there or the feds. I will get back to you on that as soon as i find out.

    last note, when my passport was scanned by the customs agent in cabo she had a weird look in her face but let me go anyway. Not sure if it was because i was with my wife or because there was 6 planes that got out the same time and they were slammed. First week of march is very busy season for them as its spring break and the Canadians fly in for the winter break. But regardless i was very very lucky to get in.

    • JBCal

      Henry- You lucked out on the Cabo trip. Most likely a very rare lasp on ICE/US Marshall’s side. Cabo is as strict as Cancun. If you currently register for any offense in the USA regardless of the time or charge, you will almost certainly be denied entry everywhere in Mexico, even on stopovers.

      Europe in some cases, does appear to have discretion. TSA was correct in being surprised. We are on this site as well.

      Glad to hear it worked out for you and you did not lose your travel funds. You should track the current HR 515.

      • Harry

        We want to send copies the CASOMB Reports to these governments. Get some truth growing before the lies take to much root.

  136. Henry

    Tanks JB. I should have proof read my post. I am a level 1 offender and my crime was not a child crime. My last post didnt have the word NOT in the child crime sentence. So heres what im thinking thru. Is it RSO’s who are flagged with child crimes or is it for anyone. Ive read quite a few posts and most dont mention their crimes even thou this is a confidential site. Im wondering if it was not a chile crime they let you slip in and just deny anyone who had a child crime. Would love some feed back on this.

  137. mch

    I will be travelling to Rosarito next week, driving through the border, which has never been a problem going into Mexico (yet). As previously mentioned, the new Mexican border crossing looks a whole lot like ours, and it cost us only 500 million! Once in Rosarito, I’ll go to the new immigration office and apply for a FMM, or temporary tourist pass, which is good for 180 days. This costs around $20, but may cost me more, if you get my drift. Then, in June I will go to the Tijuana Airport, with my FMM in hand and book a flight to Cancun. ($400). I have done nothing illegal, nor have I broken any Mexican laws. I believe that when travelling to Cancun from the US, the airline automatically issues that temporary tourist visa or FMM, and the $20 is added onto the plane ticket. If that’s not the case, please correct me. I’ll keep everybody informed about the outcome of my little adventure.

  138. Henry

    mch please do tell me what happens. After hearing all this, it maybe my only option as well. Please advise if they let you in at the border. After seeing online they check passports as you enter into the border. But i have no idea how they deal with it like cancun etc. My sisters wedding is there and theres no way i can miss this. Funny thing is people try to get out of mexico and into the US. Im trying to get In!

    • JBCal

      Henry and MCH: If you have not been previously flagged in the Mexico INM system this should work. The information appears to not be ‘attached” to your passport, ie, not embedded on the magnetic strip. So, if you have not tried to fly into Mexico and been refused (flagged by INM), you should be able to do this way. Just get an FMM that is 180 days (typical).

      And yes, mch, please let us know how it goes.

    • JBCal

      Henry: That seems to be less clear, however it does appear that every registrant currently required to register in the US and traveling by Intl air will have a “warning statement” sent to their destination. Whether that statement varies by nature of offense I’m not sure.

      Although, as you said, customs upon your return was surprised and they would/should have first hand knowledge of “adult” exceptions. I seem to recall a misdemeanor adult offender who posted here about a year ago also being rejected from Mexico.

      All of this seems purposely vague.

  139. commenter1

    I’m planning a trip with family to Spain later this year and was wondering if anyone has experience flying into Madrid or with a return trip back to the U.S. that could have me changing planes in London?

  140. t

    i was wondering if anybody knows if you recieved a deferred sentence and your case was dissmissed and u no longer have to register. will u still be flagged for international travel. i have lost many nites of sleep over this as i want to take my wife of 29 yrs on an intermational vacation. from the posts i have read it doesnt seem likey i will be able go .i know the feds view a deferred as a conviction as it has already cost me my job.

    • Chris

      Hi t,

      If your case was dismissed, do you mean it was expunged, or you were actually found innocent after a period of time?

      • t

        hi chris it was a four year deffered sentence and after the four years i completed my requirements and case was dismissed and then my attorny pettioned the court to have me removed from the registary and it was granted u cant seal or expunge a sex offence in colorado

    • JBCal

      t- It appears the deferred sentencing doesn’t matter, but if you do not have to register any longer, AND you did not move across a state line since your conviction, you “should” be OK. If the NCIC and National SOR / DOJ databases do not have a current record of registration for you, it “appears” they do not send out a notice.

      This “may” change if HR 515 passes, but that would be for 2016.

      Good luck on your travels and some people here have suggested travel to Puerto Rico or even the US Virgin Islands if you want to be completely sure of no travel notice (but you need to check their local laws).

      • Joe

        I agree with JBCal’s assessment. I am no attorney and I could not find the pertinent postings right now, but my overall strong impression is that the outbound notice as well as the secondary inspection upon returning get generated for those currently required to register only.

        I disagree with vacationing domestically, though. Some states require registration (even temporary / for visitors) based not on current registration but on past conviction. Some states do not offer the possibility of expungement / dismissal, so I would not want to be the guinea pig that clarifies these verbal nuances (as if this country did not have more urgent problems). Pretty much any foreign country is safer.

        • JBCal

          Joe- Thanks for clarifying. So it’s 48 hrs in FL and 48 hrs in NV (Las Vegas) and only 24 hours in Rhode Island. And my guess is these can change anytime without notice…

          No one should ever go to FLA for any reason at any time.

          Remember, it’s possible to not be required to currently register but still have an Intl notice sent IF you have done an interstate move that triggers Sorna/AWA and you are technically within those tier limits. And Joe, you might know, but the interstate move has to be after 2006 to subject you to SORNA, right? Ex post facto applies here.

          • Joe

            “Remember, it’s possible to not be required to currently register but still have an Intl notice sent IF you have done an interstate move that triggers Sorna/AWA and you are technically within those tier limits.”

            What does that mean?

            If you move AFTER getting your registration requirement terminated, does that apply? Say you get off the registry in 2008 and move to a different state in 2009. Are you getting sucked back into SORNA?

            And yes, global warming cannot be here soon enough for the Sunshine State….

            • JBCal

              Joe- There is a thread here from about a year ago with a former registrant from Texas who was granted relief from registering and flew to Mexico and was sent back. Turns out he visited Florida for a “Spring break” and did the temp registry. Since he “Traveled in Interstate Commerce,” the Federal government can and did apply SORNA tiering to him and sent the notice.

              I believe he was or is filing to have the information removed from FL registry. A nightmare I am sure.

              Sorna/AWA applies to any of the 17(?) states that are substantially compliant AND anyone who has moved interstate per the commerce clause 18 USC 2250(a) [post 2006 enactment, see Carr vs United States Supreme Court 2010]

      • t

        so jb cal what do u mean a deferred dosnt matter in my plea agreement it said after succuessful completion of my deferred sentence my case would be dismised for ever

        • JBCal

          Joe & T- “Deferred Sentencing” doesn’t matter for registration and/or sent notices for intl travel. Similar to Expungements.

          On local travel, I said you must check “local laws” on registration first. Some places, ie Florida and Rhode Island (?) only allow 24 hr for travel within their state and many others are 3 days or 5 days, some 10 days, even if you have been relieved. Very important.

          If you can not enter a country via ICE Notices, it doesn’t much matter that internally their countries laws are better / non existent.

          • Joe

            Oh, I understood it that t. is NOT currently required to register (any longer). As such there will not be a Green Notice generated, and travel to foreign lands should proceed unencumbered. I do not think there is any country in the world that would care one wit about him at this point.

            He DOES, however, have an unexpunged conviction. As such he is subject to registration in states where out-of-state visitors have to register in some sort of time frame based on conviction. This could easily bubble to the surface during a traffic stop.

            i.e. Florida

            1. Who must register as a sexual offender?
            …anyone convicted of a sex offense in FL or another jurisdiction
            http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/FAQ.jsp#Question1

            6. Do out-of-state sex offenders have to register in Florida, even if they are ONLY visiting, attending school, or working in Florida?
            Yes, if offenders or predators are visiting from another state he/she must report in person to the sheriff’s office within 48 hours of establishing a temporary residence in Florida (temporary residence defined as “A place where the person (offender/predator) abides, lodges, or resides, including, but not limited to, vacation, business, or personal travel destinations in or out of this state, for a period of 5 or more days in the aggregate during any calendar year”)
            http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/FAQ.jsp#Question6

            AND – in FL everyone goes on the website and is never taken off. Not if they leave the state, probably not if they die.

            My point was – if you are not currently registering you will most likely encounter no problem entering another country. There is a good chance you may still be required to register in another state – even as a visitor, regardless of terminating registrant status in your home state.

        • Chris

          t:

          Real answer is…we don’t know. This stuff is so new. BUT, your record of conviction is with the FBI and in the national criminal database. Yes, it’s dismissed, but you were guilty of the crime. So, although you might not be a registered sex offender anymore, (thank God) you were once convicted of a sex crime. The charge/conviction won’t disappear from your record until you hit the ripe old age of 100. So, if an immigration officer pulls up your record via the FBI database they will see the charge, regardless of if it was expunged/dismissed, it is up to that officer to make a judgment call.

  141. t

    so hypothectally if i visited florida for 4 days do i still have to register

    • Paul

      Not hypothetically. YES! Absolutely! To not do so is a felony.

    • Chris

      Don’t risk it. Chances are you wouldn’t get caught if you went for a week and didn’t register, but you’d regret it if you did get caught. Just avoid Florida like the plague.

    • commenter1

      From my reading of Florida’s law it requires registration within 48 hours of entering the state if you will be spending a period of 5 or more days in aggregate during a calendar year in the state. Has this changed recently?

      • Eric Knight

        I interpret the law to be a “2/5” consecutive/cumulative (aggregate) registration requirement. That is, if you are in the state more than 2 consecutive days you must register, or if you take separate trips, if cumulatively you have spent five days or more, you have to register. Typically, many states have a 14/30 rule, though some states are down to 3 days cumulative, and in Florida’s case, 2 days consecutive.

        In a nutshell:

        Visit once, two days or less: No registration necessary
        Visit two different times, each time two days or less: no registration necessary.
        Visit three different times, you would have to register the third time you are there.

        Visit once for three consecutive days: You have to register. No need to keep the tally on cumulative at this point.

        Once you are registered in Florida, you are registered for life except under highly extenuating circumstances. They will contain your last temporary address in Florida, as well as your current permanent address in another state, even if you expire off your current state registry. In addition, you will remain on the Florida registry until you have been deceased for one year or more.

        Ironically, if you expire off your registry and move without telling Florida, even if you are all the way in Hawaii or California, you may be subject to SORNA FTR. I haven’t heard of this happening yet, but I would imagine the FIRST time someone remains on the Florida registy with their last registered out of state residence, and a new occupant moves into that house, and the new occupant gets attacked or otherwise for their address being on the current Florida registry, I’m sure there will be criminal charges filed at that point.

        This is sooooo ripe for a legal challenge, especially with Commerce clause implications. Specifically YOUR right as a registered citizen is being affected by the inclusion of another state’s scheme. But then again, it is typical for state agencies to push the enevelope on issues like these.

        • commenter1

          I don’t agree with your interpretation of the law since Florida statute defines “temporary residence” as a place where a person abides, lodges, or resides for a period of 5 or more days in the aggregate during any calendar year and which his not the person’s permanent address. The law only requires reporting in person to the local Sheriff’s Office within 48 hours of establishing or maintaining a residence so if you travel to Orlando for 4 days then travel to Miami for 3 days I hardly see how that would constitute a temporary residence in either place since the 5 or more day rule would not be met. Any argument there?

  142. rick

    Sooo I’ve asked this before but never got a response.. I’m assuming no one knew the answer at that time.. 6 months ago, so let me try again

    I was sent home from Mexico Dec.2013 I was in an office at the airport for about 3 hours and at the end of that time I was “TOLD” … not asked to sign some papers, they were in Spanish, I could not read them and was not given time to read them even given the chance. I’m not sure what I signed. I’ve sense received a Cert Of Rehab. and want to return. I’ve been told there will no longer be flags put on my airline ticket so I can go and they will not be informed I am coming … but… what did I sign? do they have information that I now have to worry about, get a lawyer there and get it off some record they now have? Does anyone know.. please help if you know anything, I would appreciate it… Thanks to all and to all I wish the best

    • Chris

      Hey Rick,

      Nobody can know what you signed, and this isn’t the time for the ‘never sign something that you didn’t read blah blah blah.’

      If you want a GUESS, it was probably something along the lines of ‘I understand I’m getting kicked out of Mexico because I’m an RSO and agree not to come back.’ But like I said, that’s a GUESS.

      It’s not a flag on the ticket, it’s a flag on your passport, that ‘green notice.’ Once your passport is flagged, immigration is notified as soon as you scan. The cert of rehab doesn’t matter at all in Mexico. They just look at your record. Best bet, if I was you, would be to contact ICE and the Marshall’s department to find out if they send any more ‘warnings’ of you coming in. But ultimately, it’s up to Mexican immigration who make the call.

    • JBCal

      Rick- Just get a new passport. Records in Mexico appear to be tied to the passport number and name. If you no longer have to register then you should “eventually” be fine.

      There’s a thread here of a person who was flagged but had been relieved to register. Took some time but once he was removed at the Fed database level he resumed travel.

  143. Matt

    Hey guys, after coming back, I was told how to get not only to Mexico, but Cacun, it worked!! I did get 4 days with my GF, and got back yesterday.

    • anonymous

      Congratulations! Please, whatever you do, don’t recount the specifics on a public forum. Thanks.

      • Joe

        @Matt – are you the same Matt who posted on March 6 that he was denied entry? Did you go right back a few days later? I am confused.

        What’s the point of this forum if not the sharing of information? Any chance you can put together a description of what happened – and if you got turned around the first time what did you do different the second time? Sure, if it involves some super secret activity or connection that you have or know of, then have others contact you via email. But for the benefit of all of us it would be helpful to get the whole story.

        just mho….

        • IntlTravel

          Joe, Matt, Others-

          This doesn’t really pass the smell test.

          I urge everyone to be cautious.

          Sorna/AWA is a very strong law that the federal government feels applies to the registrant. Yes, we all know there are jurisdictional questions but are you willing to take chances?

          Passing information that is “sensitive” or secretive back and forth to people you don’t really know is not the best practice.

          I suggest that Matt give the vaguest of details -or nothing at all, to avoid possible scrutiny or legal issues.

          Just my opinion and I wish everyone best wishes with all these issues.

        • Gerald

          I agree with Joe,
          Forget this attitude of “let this be our little secret” hehehe.

      • GRR

        Matt, anonymous is right. Please do not place anymore information on this site. Everyone, please understand why Matt should not divulge this information to the world. Matt, I’m sure you will be getting a few emails make sure you know whom you’re communicating with.

    • JBCal

      Matt- Congratulations! That is good news, glad it worked out. We were all disappointed when you got refused entry — especially after being told it would not happen.

      Anyway, when you get time, you should update us on how it worked out and some of the details.

      Again, happy it worked out for you !

  144. Matt

    Would love to help someone who is trying to reach with their family, or loved one. You are right, not here. By the way guys, check change.org, and sign petition, abolish the sex offender registry. I have always been quite, and compliant. Now I will be a voice, Contact your congressman, and senators, ask them not to promote International Megan’s Law.

    • need help

      matt please email me how you got in also. I need to get to cancun for my sisters wedding. Theres no way I can miss my baby sisters wedding. Please email me at *** Thank you.

    • newyorker

      Matt-

      Hoping you can pass along some info here. I’m currently registered and got turned away a couple of days ago from Cancun but my family is still there for another week. I’m visiting the Mexican consulate tomorrow but I’m doubtful that they will be helpful. I was contemplating walking across at Brownsville but nervous about all of that. Any help you can provide would be so very appreciated.

      Address is:
      moviefan14 at outlook dot com

  145. rick

    Thanks to those who responded… Matt if you could give me some info on my email.. hope it’s ok to put here… *** … I’d appreciate it.. again thanks to all and good luck to all!

  146. Chris

    Matt,

    I’d appreciate some pointers. Thanks. ***

  147. alienated

    Matt,

    I am so Happy for you and your GF for getting to have some fun in the sun in Mexico.
    I used to travel very frequently but have not lately.
    I noticed the post that had the instructions was removed.
    I guess I am confused as to legally entering through the border via walking or driving verses air travel. The other thing is that I live in California which is not SORNA so I wonder if it is legal for me to travel to Mexico? I realize that passports are flagged during air travel and because Mexico and USA are buddies they kick us back. I was watching Vice HBO series and I think it is part of this ICE immigration thing that the cooperation is there.
    In any event does anyone know if it is illegal for RSO’s to travel to Mexico or is it that they just are denied entry from air?
    I really want to go again but I am not willing to go to jail for it (Mexican or USA jail).
    If anyone can help, I would appreciate it.

    Good Luck everyone and Thanks in advance for any tips.

    • Paul

      There is no law that prohibits our travel (assuming you are not on probation, or parole). Some states have enacted all or part of AWA, which mandates a 21 day travel notice to state or local authorities (depending on the state, this could be your local PD or Sheriff, or it could be State police…usually, it’s whoever you register with). California is not one of those states, so no such notice is required. It’s also important to note that federal authorities do NOT tend to registration matters, and leave it up to local authorities to handle this. Therefore, even though AWA mandates a 21 day notice, here in California, there is no one on the federal side that you have to notify.

      When checking in for an international flight, you have to provide the airline with your passport number. This is usually required a minimum of 24 hours prior to departure. Federal authorities compile that information, and compare it to a number of things: federal “no fly” list, warrant searches, and the registry. When they get a registry hit, the U.S. Marshal’s “Angel Watch” center notifies INTERPOL which, in turn, forwards a green notice to your destination country. Some countries ignore this warning while others, such as Mexico, treat it as a huge deal.

      However, to answer your question, if you are not on probation or parole, you are free to travel. Just be familiar with the laws of your state to ensure that you do, or do not, have to provide advanced notice of your travel.

      • JBCal

        Paul- Thanks. Good comments. The right to travel does appear to be a constitutionally protected act. The work around is “notices” and informing local jurisdictions. We all know this applies interstate.

        There were about 3,000 FED cases prosecuted in 2012 and ~4,000 cases in 2013 under 18 USC 2250(a), which is the legal enforcement section of Sorna. So yes, the Federal gov doesn’t deal with “registrations matters,” except for army, navy bases, etc, but they do actively prosecute.

        If I wanted to travel to Mexico, I would walk across the border to TJ as there are only notifications for Intl air travel. But beforehand, even though I don’t need to, I would write up a quick notification 21 days in advance and deliver it to the local jurisdiction in CA saying only of intended travel to Mexico on this particular date and not saying how or anymore. Then you’re covered, while they sit back, chuckle and think you’re going to be “denied.”

        And yes, notice in CA, unless you moved from another state, is not required.

      • Harry

        Paul you said,”When they get a registry hit, the U.S. Marshal’s “Angel Watch” center notifies INTERPOL which, in turn, forwards a green notice to your destination country.” What authority by law that the US Marshal Service has to issues these green notice on RC’s when AB515 is pending that authorized such? To me, if there is no law there is no authority.

        • Chris

          @Harry:
          There is no law requiring the Marshal’s office to send notice to Interpol. They do it anyway…there is no law preventing this sharing of information. (See the GAO report)

          If AB515 becomes law, then it will be law.

          It’s still unclear in which cases Interpol sends out that green notice or in which cases the Marshal’s notify Interpol. Some literature says Tier 3, some say Tier 2-3, some say only predators or violent offenders. Because California doesn’t have the Tier system…

          What’s even fuzzier is under what circumstances do countries who receive the Green Notice still let an RSO into their country.

          • Tired of hiding

            It’s a giant clusterfu^k which is exactly how the government wants it to be. We are being profiled by our own government and they in turn are telling other governments that we are travelling to commit crimes.

            The only way out is a tunnel to Mexico but then who wants to go to Mexico anyway? Pretty bad when even Mexico doesn’t want an American.

            Thank you Uncle Sam!

  148. mch

    Matt;

    Congratulations on your victory. I’d like the details if you’re willing, please feel free to send through the moderator here if you would.
    Thanks

  149. Alienated

    Paul,

    Thank you so much for the information, I greatly appreciate it.

  150. chelsea peterson

    HONEYMOON NIGHTMARE. Can anyone help us!!! My husband got in trouble 14 years ago for a stat rape charge. he was 18 then, his girlfriend was 15. Stupid kid crap, they ran off together. Two days ago, after saving for a year, and using ALL our wedding money we took our dream trip to cancun. Supposed to stay 4 days at a resort. Soon as plane landed we got called off the plane, Mexican immigration took my hub away, 5 minutes later they came back and said YOU MUST LEAVE OUR COUNTRY. I was devastated. We spent $5000. It was our HONEYMOON. The united states just issued him a passport, the Mexican embassy said it was OK, we got the go ahead and then our nightmare happened. It was devastating. Horrible! Ive never cried so much ever. We got treated like crap, like we were criminals, and my husband was a rapist. The immigration people did not let us explain, didn’t let us call anyone, nothing, just through us out. Can I get a lawyer!!!?? I want to be compensated for the damage they have caused. I bought ALL flight and travel insurance but funny they wont cover crap!!!!! I just don’t know what to do , or where to turn. Im probably just screwed. Thank u USA government for scamming us..when my husband doesn’t even have to register anymore!!!! Romeo and Juliet law don’t mean crap. If anyone can help me please email me. ***

    • Gerald

      What a horrible event for you both, especially visiting a country where the age of consent is so low.
      Perhaps you could contact “Good Morning America” and see if they might be interested in featuring your story of such an injustice.
      It would be interesting to know how many marriage licenses have been issued to 18 year old grooms to 15 year old brides over the years.

    • Jo

      Chelsea,

      First, stay connected here and keep up to date on the laws and changes to the law. Had you read through the thread here prior to going you would have seen no one is having success getting through.

      Next, take that rage and anger and do something positive: write and call your elected officials.

  151. mch

    Chelsea,

    Our hearts go out to you about the ruined honeymoon and the loss of a huge amount of money. Many registered citizens and ex-registrants are subject to this crap and more on a daily basis.
    This is the country we live in now; ultra corrupt, anti-sex, personally invasive. This government wants control of each and every life, from the cradle to the grave and registries are one way of controlling people. We think all is good until stuff like this happens.
    Love your country, fear your government.

  152. steve

    Wasn’t there someone here pursuing legal action? What is going on with that? How has this not been challenged in a court of law yet? Talk about overly broad.

  153. Chelsea Petetson

    thank you all so much it was quite in devastating ordeal. And I’m not even the one who couldn’t get in. My poor husband feels horrible and so embarrassed. I will be watching this post. I’ll join any fight against this crap. Teir 3..u shouldn’t be treated like this. Anyone that has been through this please email me. ***

    • Hoping for the Best

      I am curious about the details. What state are you from and is your husband on the registry anywhere? Any additional information about these things might be helpful to others here in trying to figure out what can and can’t be done and who is affected etc. In general, I was under the impression that if someone is no longer on the registry then no alert should be sent and it shouldn’t be a problem. Therefore it would be nice to know what might have been different in your case.

  154. Bella

    My husband was convicted of a drug offence 13 years ago.
    He’s still currently on parole first time offender he gets 15 years sentence and serves 4.
    He’s still currently on parol has 2 years left .
    We’ve bern to Hawaii twice and flew the Vegas and Orlando.
    He has even got an okay from his parole officer to take a cruise.
    And to travel to out of the country. But now I’m wondering if this new thing Mexico is doing is it just for SO? Or anyone with a feleony?
    We would love to take our girls to Cancun this year for a grad gift so any help would be appreciate.

  155. Craig

    I have been on the SO registration list for about 13 years, and have had no trouble traveling the world as I enjoy SCUBA diving and trying new places. I even did a group trip to Cozumel, MX late last year with no issues. I put together a group trip to the Dominican Republic and we left last Monday (March 23rd). I was met at the DR airport and told that I must return on the next flight back to the US. Needless to say, it was embarrassing to have to explain this to my dive buddies, and hand over the money and information they would need for the rest of their trip. Both the DR agents and the US agents were very apologetic, but the DR agents said I was on a US “list” and had to return. After doing alot of research here online, I now understand the Green Notice, and Guardian Angel program. I feel sick and saddened to think that I can no longer enjoy my favorite hobby (other than US destinations). Just wondering if anyone has tried using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) to determine which countries are subscribing to this program? I’m pretty sure that all of them are being “pressured”, but it would be helpful to know. Has anyone found that contacting the destination country’s consulate provides any useful information?

    • Brian

      I completely feel your pain … I have enjoyed traveling with SCUBA buddies … they are headed to the soft coral of Fiji next month .. and sadly I’m not going to be able to attend. So disappointing!

    • j

      Ex post facto PUNISHMENT defined! So sorry to hear of your heartbreaking experience.

      This is worth a letter to your congressmen demanding an explanation of how and why they are unaware of the constitution as it applies in this case.

      The same is true for all registrants. I know I hesitate to avoid further shaming my family by any publicity such a communique would garnish.

      • Tired of hiding

        Please do NOT think of this a shame. You did the crime and you paid the price. No one is perfect. It is the stigma that allows the government to continue this illegal punishment of citizens who have paid their debt to society and should be allowed that famous “second chance” that use to be a part of being an American.

        I for one am ashamed of what the USA has become. The phrase “land of the free” is now just a meaningless marketing soundbite slogan much like Disneyland is “The happiest place on earth.”

        No, we are being used and abused by evil politicians to manipulate the public with the boogyman and the tough on crime BS!

  156. B

    I’ve watched this page and the comments for over a year now.. this is my 1st time commenting. Any input is appreciated to help.

    In 2/2014 I was traveling to Cancun with my wife. When we landed I was called off the plane as soon as the door opened.. They were waiting for me. They would not tell me anything.. they had a few pieces of paper stapled together with a blown up photo from my passport and Spanish writing. I was escorted to the INM office and seated until interviewed. The interview started with basic questions about who I am, what I do, and then lead to questions about my criminal history… specifically sexual assault. At this point I realized they had the wrong guy. My criminal history may show a citation for no front license plate on my truck in 2005.. outside of that I have nothing on my record. The paperwork the INM had on me included a long list of offenses.. after reviewing the list I realized it was very similar to my brothers list of convictions. My brother is also a RSO (he says the lowest level). I explained to them that this is not me, it is my brother, and this is a mistake. They stated “your country provided us with this information”. At that point regardless of how much I argued, there was no way I could convince them that this warning they received was false or a mistake. Based on the circumstances I understand.. they were doing their job. I was on the next flight back to MN at that point. I left my wife as she was meeting up with other friends.

    The next morning I went to the MN BCA for a certified copy of my criminal background history. This had a raised seal and notary stamp. From there I went to my local Mexican consulate to explain what happened and see if they could provide a letter to explain/fix my situation. They were not willing to help. After leaving the consulate I hopped on the next flight back to Cancun. When we got there I was relieved to get off the plane without an escort waiting for me. I got to the INM line.. my passport was scanned, and then was escorted to the INM office. Most of the INM people recognized me from the day before.. and were surprised to see me again. I explained my situation and provided my background check. They scanned it in and emailed it to a supervisor. The whole process took 3-4 hours of waiting and phone calls.. but finally I was approved to go in.

    1yr later- I booked a trip back to Cancun with my wife and friends at the end of Feb. To prepare for my trip I applied and was approved for a TSA/Global Entry card. I also obtained a REDRESS number to prevent any other confusion. I had a file of documents with my background check (an updated copy) along with documents from my global entry approval, and misc info about my brothers criminal background. We landed in Cancun.. waiting in the INM line.. passport scanned.. and then was escorted back to the INM office. I sent my wife and friends on their way as I dealt with the INM office. I was fairly confident I would be in/out as this would be my 3rd trip to the INM office. After 2-3hrs of waiting and explaining my situation again, and showing all of my paperwork I was refused entry and on my way back to MN. The INM agent specifically stated that my documents were only for MN, so I could of committed my crimes in other states.. and they should not of let me back in last year due to my charges.

    At this point a simple solution (as others also suggested) to my problem is to avoid going back to Mexico. This is not the type of person I am. I prefer to deal with my issues, especially since I am not guilty of anything wrong in this situation. I also do not want to have a similar issue in the future when travelling to another country.

    Based on everything I’ve read it appears my passport is blacklisted with INM. This started with some sort of warning that was sent in 2/2014 when I traveled to Cancun. How did they mix me up with my brother? We are “half” brothers with different last names. However… we work together, we’ve owned property/lived at the same address, and we’ve co-signed on loans for each other. Somehow, some computer system must have identified me as an alias for him. My last name is very unique (Czech) and I can guarantee no one has the same full name as me. To fix my problem.. I need to determine who/what department of our government sent the warning to Mexico in 2/2014. Once this is done.. I would hope I could work with them to send a notice or give me something stating this was incorrect. Once I have this document, I could work with INM to remove my name/passport from whatever list/blacklist I am flagged on. I requested all of my records (FOIA) from Interpol and Customs/Border patrol. Interpol came back with no records on me.. and I’m still waiting for CBP. Any suggestions or information is appreciated.

    Thank you

    • Timmmy

      I have come to a realization that due to the vast amount of people in Mexico with the same/similar names, and birth dates, they mainly identify you by the number on your ID.

      I found this out when registering a vehicle for temporary importation, and another vehicle was in an accident. I could not cancel the importation permit on the vehicle because it was scrapped. They refused to issue a new one. When My passport expired, I obtained a new one.

      All of a sudden they had no problem issuing a permit for another vehicle I had gotten.

      My suggestion is to “lose” that passport, get a replacement, then try.

  157. Brian

    Sad to read all the stories and challenges people have faced. I’d enjoyed travel for both work and vacation for the past ten years since my release. However, my last trip was a disaster … and I believed somehow having a visa to enter a country would bring a different result. It didn’t. Now I find myself in the same situation as all others in this thread … stuck without ability to travel outside the US. My thoughts now, marry a foreigner and travel under dual citizenship passport (perhaps even give up my US citizenship). It’s not what I want, and yet I love to travel and experience the world.

    My indiscretions occurred over 25 years ago .. and I have moved on – founded a nonprofit organization to help with the effects of crime on society, and helps ex-felons transition back into society in a safe and healthy way. While this pursuit is rewarding, I’m quite discouraged with the challenge of my past being treated as though it all happened “today” … rather than 25 years ago.

    I understand reservations people have given my past – and yet, if the law says this is the price I pay, and that’s my punishment … why then are consequences lifetime – and punishment continues with denial of personal right of freedom?

    My capacity for gainful employment is diminished with travel restrictions … and this was not the case when I traveled in March of 2014 to Grand Cayman. Since then, it’s been a very expensive disaster. I truly feel for all who struggle with this issue, and hope there is a resolution at some future point. If any who read this have a recommendation – I’m appreciative to hear your thoughts. I’d organized a trip to Europe this fall with my aging parents – and have no idea how long I have to take them on this “once in a lifetime” trip through Europe while their health permits … but I’m not sending them alone, and had always intended to travel with them as they are not capable of traveling by themselves. So disappointing … it’s not going to happen now unless something changes.

    If there was a list posted of countries that will and won’t allow me to enter – that would be a great place to start. Otherwise … I’m seriously considering plan B …

    I’m grateful to have found this forum to share thoughts and ideas on this quality of life issue.

    • Tired of hiding

      Welcome the the new reality. You are now a prisoner held captive within the borders of the USA with your freedom of movement (a basic human right) being denied at the request of the US government.

      Your passport has become useless and it’s only the beginning. The illegal strange and unusual punishment is going getting worse with each passing month.

      NOTHING will happen until this is challenged in Federal court and until then things just get worse. Sorry I can’t be more cheerful or give you hope because I am a realist and I see exactly what is going on in this country.

      • Brian

        You are just a “ray of sunshine”! Ha .. yes, I do understand your “realist” position. It’s very frustrating to be limited as we are … and I agree someone would need to see this as a violation of rights .. which I believe it clearly is – yet we’d need a federal ruling to change this for the better. Agreed!

        • Tired of hiding

          Yes, Brian, I am always a “ray of sunshine” in regards to this toxic topic as there is so much positive, and life affirming energy. I am not going to sugar coat any of it because all anyone has to do is look at what our government has become.

          I have offered to be represented by any lawyer who is willing to take this task on.

          That offer still stands should anyone know of a lawyer willing to take on the government on our behalf.

          However, until they stop seeing all RSO as equal it will not change.

    • PK

      @Brian Yes I think a list of those countries that deny entry would be helpful. Secondly, how do you go about marrying a foreigner if you can’t “be in” the country to marry? I know that in Mexico you do need at least a Tourist Visa in order to marry.

      Here’s what I understand so far in terms of those countries DENYING ENTRY:

      Brazil
      Colombia
      Mexico
      Panama

      Does anyone have any experience with other Latin American Countries?

      • TiredOfHiding

        I was denied entry in Argentina in 2013 even though I had visited there half a dozen times before. So you can most certainly add Argentina to the list of taboo countries now.

  158. Quint

    @brian:
    What country did you have a visa for? What happened in Grand Cayman?

    • Brian

      I have a US Passport. And I applied for a Visa with the Los Angeles Brazilian Consulate. I paid when submitting my application – and after a month, I received from the Consulate a 10 year Visa to visit Brazil … which was denied the moment the plane touched down. The Visa is still in my passport … but they will not let me into the country – wasn’t even allowed to walk throughout the airport.

      I visited Grand Cayman last year – March of 2014 … and did not have a problem. Yet, I understand it WOULD not be allowed now, because of the change in process with Homeland Security notifications.

      • Tired of hiding

        Yes, they give out those Visa’s out to pretty much anyone who “applies” aka pays the reciprocity fee that the US charges Brazilian tourists. However, as you found out…once you get on that plane they (the enemy aka the US government) issues a WARNING and REQUEST that you be denied entry into the country.

        This is honored and we are not allowed entry and denied entry (not deported since you have to be IN a country to be deported OUT of that country).

        OUR BASIC HUMAN RIGHT TO TRAVEL FREELY IS BEING VIOLATED AND THERE SHOULD BE OUTRAGE ABOUT THIS BY HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS.

  159. Matt

    Remember folks I know how to get to Cacun, if your on the list.

    • Chris

      I’d love some help getting in to Cancun, Matt. ***

    • Tired of hiding

      I am in! We should all coordinate and have a sex offender holiday weekend and rent a bungalow on the beach where we could share stories of abuse and rights violations.

    • Jb

      Matt, please share..
      ***

    • mike eff

      Hey, I am going cancun 30 of this month, what did u do for in please help me i have everything bought

    • catch 22

      Matt please let me in on the secret too ***

    • anonymous

      Matt – you should probably keep this secret to yourself or the loophole will soon be closed by those who are watching

    • newyorker

      Matt-

      Please help me out here. My wife is currently in Cancun after I was turned away a couple of days ago. I’d love nothing more than to get down to see her and my kids and salvage something of a vacation with them.

      • mch

        Newyorker,
        There is a way, but you may want to contact the site administrator first. Be careful.

    • Rula

      Hi Matt please provide some information as travelling soon with SO very worried and stressed. Thank you

  160. mch

    Matt,

    I’d really like to know what you know about traveling to Cancun. ***

  161. Jo

    I would like to know to, please post your email

  162. Ejl

    Matt,

    Please email me with the information about your Cancun experience as well. *** . Thanks!

  163. Matt

    Tired of hiding, I love your idea.

  164. BrianCO

    Matt – please send me your info on Cancun to *** Thanks folks.

  165. Want to see my grandparents

    Has anyone with a duel-citizenship have gone out of the U.S. To Mexico or to any other foregien country? I have a duel-citizenship with Mexico. I was born in WA state. And I’ve been a RSO for around 3 years. I got convicted in the Juvenile Court cause I’m still underage(I’m not even 18 yet) and I’m planning to go to Mexico this year but I’m scared that I’ll be denied entry.

  166. Hestia

    Matt, will you please email me at *** regarding your travel experience. I’m turning 50 and would very much like my 23 year old son with me and my other friends & fam. He is f6 rso in Co.

  167. Quint

    Guys, Matt is a troll. Stop publishing your email addresses and asking him to help. He has no solutions, he’s not helping anyone. Want to know how to do it? Land travel into Mexico, then travel domestically once you’re in Mexico. This will only work if you haven’t been refused entry before. This way, no green notice is sent.

  168. BrianCO

    I can vouch for Matt’s comments being a troll to get email addresses. My gmail account used to average around 100 latent spam emails. After posting here it’s gone up to over 400. Fortunately the spam filter catches it all.

  169. Eric Knight

    **WARNING!**

    I would recommend that NOBODY post ANY personal information, including emails, in this forum. YOU DON’T KNOW WHO IS COLLECTING THOSE EMAILS.

    Case in point: Someone is offering to tell someone how to go to another country as a registrant. This may be true…but it may not be true! They may be collecting email addresses for more nefarious purposes. Keep in mind that with cross-checking email accounts in google, vigilantes can put together a mosaic of your online activities, perhaps to family sites, business requests, etc.

    This has been done to several people on SOSEN forums, as well as other forums in the past. It is insidious, but it can happen.

    My recommendation for anyone who has LEGITIMATE travel information: Instead of offenering to give it to anyone in a public thread, send it to the CONTACT tab, then Contact the State Organizer on the Purpose selection box. This will allow for better vetting of the information itself.

    The bottom line: NEVER epose or send email addresses to anyone whom are not trustworthy, especially with RSO issues, which are GOLD for vigilante terrorists.

    I would recommend a policy of not allowing email addresses to be displayed of registrants, and if anyone wants to conact each other privately, do so through outside sources.

    • Spiff

      How do you remove a post once you have already posted it? Can people un-post their personal info?

  170. George Fredricks

    I’m an RSO (possession of CP, federal, 3 years probation which finished a few years ago). My wife and 2 children are Mexican citizens. We would like to move to Mexico. I already went to the consulate and received my Permanent Resident visa which I need to activate in Mexico within 6 months.

    I know a visa doesn’t guarantee entry. Does anyone here have experience crossing the border with this type of visa? I know the US will notify Mexico that I am coming. I know I will get “interviewed” once I arrive. But will THIS type of visa make a difference?

    Thanks all.

    • Harry

      I understand, drive do not fly in to Mexico.

    • quint

      IMO, I’d contact a Mexican immigration attorney with this one. At _some_ point, your RSO status will pop up. But be warned: once you GET into Mexico, crossing back and forth would be pretty tough. Keep us updated!

  171. Spiff

    Question: has anyone tried going to Mexico recently (by flight) who has successfully de-registered? I am no longer on the registry and charges were dismissed (deferred) but am afraid I could still be in some “system” that could prevent me from getting into the country. I can’t deal with being rejected at customs again (happened while I was still registered).

    Anyone who has tried going back since de-registering who can share their experience would be greatly appreciated!!

  172. jo

    Do we have any success stories? Are there any countries not blocking us, ignoring the notification from the USA?

  173. Anonymous

    Supposedly France and Italy will not stop people from entering the country who are registered. This is what I have read from different sites about others experiences.

    May be other countries, these two are the ones I’ve read about.

  174. Doug

    France & Italy ?? My wife would like to go to both..
    I might go if I knew there would not be a problem.

    How can we find out for sure , before going there ?

    • commenter1

      I just returned from Spain and there were no issues there. After you enter one of the “Schengen” countries you do not need to present a passport to enter another country.

    • Scott

      I went to France in June 2015 – had a wonderful trip! no issues. I am currently a RSO in Oregon (lifetime registry state). low lever offender, but have been denied entry into Mexico previously (Nov 2014). As always, was nervous entering, but had no issue at all! Was traveling with my wife and child

  175. commenter1

    Doug,

    I just returned from a 2-week trip with family to Spain, Italy and France. You should not have any problems going there. I had no issues — only the usual upon returning to the US where they made me wait in secondary for a few minutes while they checked to make sure there were no outstanding warrants for my arrest.

    • JBCal

      Commenter1:

      Thanks for the information. Which City did you fly into in Spain? And what city did you return to in the USA?

      Did you inform your jurisdiction beforehand of your intentions to travel international? Are you required in your state (If not Calif)?

      Thanks, and congratulations on a successful trip (rare these days)

      • Commenter1

        Flight was to Madrid. My state only requires notice within 3 days of commencing travel so I delivered my travel itinerary 2 days in advance of departure. Flight home went through Heathrow with no issues changing planes to travel back to the U.S. I doubt European countries outside of UK will even care when the U.S. decides to stamp “child sex offender” on our passports as the latest senate bill seems to suggest.

  176. Paul

    commenter1: what airport in the US did you arrive back in to, and what was your experience with US CBP?

    Thanks.

    • commenter1

      Airport – Chicago O’Hare

      When you enter the passport control area they now have you scan your own passport using these new kiosks that also take your photo. The kiosk kicks out a receipt that you hand to the passport control officer along with your passport. Of course my receipt came out with a BIG “X” over the entire card. I knew this meant I was going to be sent to secondary since my wife’s receipt didn’t have that BIG “X”. The passport control officer didn’t say anything except to say that he had to take me to secondary inspection. He wrote the code “HS-B” over my picture with a red permanent marker but I have no idea what that means. I sat for about 5 minutes before someone came out and asked me for the last 4 digits of my social security number. That person left the room and came back less than a minute later with my passport and told me that I was free to go. He handed me my passport and I left the room. After leaving the room another officer had to check my passport and then I was free to go. None of the officers said anything to me about being a registered sex offender. I figure that they just had to check to make sure that there were no warrants for my arrest. Does anyone know if this only happens to registered sex offenders or is it common practice for anyone convicted of a felony upon re-entry to the US?

      • Timmmy

        It’s common for anyone who has a flag in the NCIB

      • Scott

        Every time I come back into the US – I get flagged in US Passport control. ALWAYS ready for secondary screening and lots of questions. Typically I am traveling with my family – and all agents are incredibly understanding and willing to not discuss specifics in front of my child. Just be ready for a lengthy re-entry. This has happened to me at LAX, Boston, Seattle, etc

  177. Anthony

    Hi Everyone

    I am from Australia, Aged 46 and have been on register now for 1 year here , i have 7 more years to go on SOR . Mine was non contact offence and classed as low risk scale of offending , was convicted for 8 photos on my laptop something i stupidly done in a bad time of depression and stress in my life , i seriously don’t even know what got in my head to do it , I’m very angry at myself for doing so, let alone the grief i caused my poor wife 🙁 but she knows me well and knows i wouldn’t harm anyone and what i did was a stupid mistake . Anyway i received 18 month community order and $1,000 fine (which is like a probation in the states i guess).

    I travelled to Fiji without a problem with my wife for 7 days this year in Feb but now Australia as of june 30 is starting to copy the USA now as we always seem to do . New laws state i cannot go to another state for more than 2 days without notifying the police and if i go to another state for more than 7 days i need to register in that state.

    New legislation now says that if I’m to go overseas i must tell police 7 days before i go, i must show documentation of hotel I’m staying, all flight details etc and when i get back from overseas trip i must go back to police to prove I’m back after being home one day. They also state the AUS FED POLICE in most cases will now advise the destination country a sex offender is travelling (so pretty much copying USA) but
    it is at the discretion of AUD FED POLICE if they send the warning or not.

    I haven’t tried travelling anywhere else yet as I’m now quite worried myself i will end up on a blacklist and will affect my travelling after I’m off this stupid register , I’m not really sure what will happen. I am not a dangerous person/offender and have no interest in hurting anyone at all, i like everyone else like a holiday and love travelling.

    I spoke to my police register today about going overseas and she said check with the relevant embassies as to whether i would have problems. I just want to go to Dubai with my wife for 10 days in November. Im not sure if it will be problem travelling to Europe again etc and def won’t be able for the states or Canada but just lucky I’ve been there before . Maybe in 10 years time i might re try the States .

    Only other way round it is i can get duel citizenship , if i leave Australia on my Australia passport and arrive into Ireland/Or Europe on my Irish (if/when i get one) then they can’t stop me entering as i would then be classed as Iirish/EU Citizen.

    Anyways sorry to crap on so much, i sincerely hate being on this register i try hard to move on with life but always get weighed thinking of this thing , me personally think it should work on a teired system with how long sentence and how bad the crime was etc , i know in QLD in another state here they have changed he register down from 8 years to 5 for my offence which i think NSW should also do where i live but won’t happen.

  178. Frustrated

    Half the stories I have read on this are full of errors. One story you see on multiple boards is a guy that was registered in Oregon and flew to Mexico last year to be denied. He claims he was convicted of a non felony sex offense 24 years ago. He says still has to register. No chance, in oregon he would of been off by now. This girl c
    Chelsea above that talks about how her boyfriend doesn’t have to register anymore but was still flagged says her boyfriend was 18 and the girl 15. Under AWA that would make him a tier 1 offender. She says he was tier 3 but got off with the Romeo and Juliet clause. No chance, if he was a tier 3 offender the age difference was more than 3 years, a lot more. So he would still be registered when he flew down there. Then there was a guy that said the immigration officer told him they were sending back 3-5 people a day. So in 12 months 1800 people would be denied under guardian angel , yet by mexicos count the number is 1130 from September 2013 to July 2015. Which would be 1.7 people per day FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. This guy was talking about 1 airport. Again no chance. Mexico would have nothing to gain by lowering the number, if anything they would want to inflate it. The same article from a few days ago also says that some people were allowed to stay despite their record if they provided a legitamats reason for being there. Again unlikely someone would say that if it wasn’t true, so I really question the stories where people couldn’t even talk to someone about their situation.

    With all that said my biggest complaint are all the people posting around the net that they are going to Mexico and are worried about getting in but then very few post their results.

    One guy on trip advisor said that he called 4 American consulates in Mexico and they told him that the people they were primarily not allowing were gun and drug offenders and registered sex offenders. He claims it may be possible to be off the list but yet still in the database. Speaking of the database it is not all knowing or even a single database. It’s estimated 50-55 percent of all records are in it. So I would say if you are not on the list you have at worst a 50/50 shot of getting in.

    Once I go to Mexico in a couple months I will let you know how that goes.
    I am off the list for 2 years now. My crime was when I was 18, she was 13. Probation no jail.

    • Robert

      Frustrated, the US government has set this program up without public notice or hearings, much like its No Fly List program. There is no due process where the traveler is notified in advance or given a chance to address their situation. How could anyone know what is really going on when the government does not have to explain their actions?

      In the ongoing no fly-list lawsuit it was discovered in filings that “the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Justice Department admitted that the list is based more on “predictive assessments about potential threats” than on actual behavior in the past.”

      ACLU attorney Hina Shamsi, told the Guardian “I believe this is the first case in which a court is being asked to review the basis for the government’s predictive model for blacklisting people who have never even been charged, let alone convicted, of a violent crime.” The admission appears to be the first that the U.S. no-fly list is based upon predictive measures that may not meet constitutional requirements for due process under the eyes of the law.

      The no fly list lawsuit will have implications for this foreign sex offender notification program once it goes to federal court. Until a federal lawsuit is filed, we will never know what the government is truly doing to its citizens.

      news link: http://www.ibtimes.com/controversial-us-no-fly-list-revelations-show-program-predictive-not-based-past-2047131

  179. Eric Knight

    Looks like travel to Mexico will become a lot harder for pedestrian or vehicular border crossers. They are now requiring a passport and a $20 fee for entry into the country. While the article did not mention anything about sex offenders, one could easily presume that the same mechanism is in place that also confirms public transport passengers, which will result in registered citizens being turned back at the border.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MEXICO_CHECKS_FOREIGNERS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-20-09-23-54

  180. Claude

    I landed in Cancun yesterday and was called off the plane before anyone else disembarked. My wife was allowed to accompany me. I was taken to the immigration office and asked to fill out a form which asked if I was ever convicted of a crime in the US or Mexico. I answered yes because I was convicted of sexual assault in 2000 and served prison time.

    I was told that I would not be allowed entry into Mexico because of my conviction. The immigration officer’s English was not good and I managed to hear something about Guardian Angel or Angels. I copied this from http://www.banderasnews.com/1405/nb-mexico-guardian-angel-program.htm : an article that revealed the program and some other information

    All of this, thanks to a program known as “Guardian Angel,” which allows Mexican Immigration officials to identify and prevent people with previous criminal convictions from entering the country.

    There is also a warning on the US State Department site http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/mexico.html That states the following:

    Prior Criminal Convictions: U.S. citizens should be aware that Mexican law permits immigration authorities to deny foreigners entry into Mexico if they have been charged or convicted of a serious crime in Mexico or elsewhere.

    I am not required to register as a sex offender. I am not on the Federal or State registry, so I would like to find out how/where Mexican authorities gets their information.

    What I find particularly interesting is that prostitution is legal in many States in Mexico, and in Cancun, there are numerous Brothels that advertise online. Seems like hypocrisy to me. And I am nogt sure that a law denying entry to Mexico for a felony conviction exists. I think it is a decision left to the immigration officer that interviews you.

    Since the State Department seems to have all this information available, airlines should be required to inform prospective passengers to possible denial of access for whatever reason, instead of selling you a ticket that puts you on an 8 hour to and from trip. They make money and you get nothing but a long round trip flight.

    • Katharine

      Claude, sorry to hear about your ordeal. You might consider sending the information on your denial of entry to Mexico to the email address noted in this post at the national RSOL site. It looks like they are going to try to do something about this situation.

      http://nationalrsol.org/blog/2015/08/24/international-travel/

    • JBCal

      Claude-

      This sounds unusual. You are not required to register now, but have you ever moved state to state post-conviction? Or have you ever registered in a different state from the state of conviction? Even short term (vacation)?

      Our understanding is for those not required to currently register, they are caught up in SORNA and are not aware their record persists per the overriding AWA tier duration.

  181. Mike

    I moved to the west coast of Mexico in October of 2013. I drove back and forth 4 times but in April of 2015 I flew back for some medical procedures and on my return I was detained and returned. It was a shock. Mexico is a wonderful place to live. The climate, the people and their lifestyle is just wonderful. I am very anxious to return.
    I know that there are people trying to find a way to return legally. Is there any site or any formation that can be shared on how this can be done? It seems to me that if a Mexican attorney that spoke English could get the procedure down to a systematic filing he/she would make good money and that it would help many Americans with this terrible burden.
    Any further information on a solution would be appreciated.

    • PK

      @Mike I encountered a similar situation after 7 years of traveling back and forth to Mexico. If you find a Mexican Immigration Lawyer, please pass that information along.

  182. jon

    years ago back in early 2000’s I have a federal felony in California which I served below the year and a day (was released early when my dad died) and went through the probation.. after completing everything I moved to mexico and was using tourist visa’s to enter through Baja (walking) recently I am trying to get a Mexican permanentresident card (my crime wasn’t any sex oriented it was just being a passenger with illegal aliens and do not have to register furthermore I have a clean record just the 1 felony from 15 yrs ago
    I hired someone to help me through INM got the passport page id… did the fingerprints paid the fee and was waiting 40 days or so into it for the pre-approved card to arrive.. then I get an email (not from INM but from my rep that I asked to check INM and get a “status” he posted “application denied” in an email to me but INM did not send me anything at all I check their site and no changes in my file on their site
    the other day I talked to a couple of attourneys to help (if it is true) and try to at least get a “hearing” I am scared if I have to go back because I might be on some “LIST” that I feel I should not be on at least before I pay for a visa and go in no trouble I have my house here and my life invested here
    how can something so twisted happen in todays society where you do good serve your time and get punished decades later!!!!!! I do have some money (not much) but I hate starting over (worst case if blacklisted without a crime that I have to register for) any ideas any1…. I might be looking for another country but don’t want to and don’t want to live in the USA (just visit)

  183. jon

    update: I have paid to check my criminal record online through several services and can not find any convictions on me except for someone with a similar name in northern California (I have receipts that prove I wa and have been in mexico at the time of that persons arrest) the mug shots would also show it is not me.. I am not sure how to get off a “LIST” for mexico go through the 9th circuit court and petition what?? (a denial letter from mexico INM (worst case if I am truly denied) and ask to have my freedom / rights restored in a 10+ year court battle? I am getting too old to start over after building a life down south.. there has to be a way to finmd out exactly what govt organization runs this “list of doom” people should get together and file a class action lawsuit for not allowing our rights to be violated after we are alledgy free from our conviction/s sorry I am just ranting but in a worst case scenario this feels “unreal” after all these years

  184. tired

    Jon, I am not sure why you ended up on this site nor why you state you have a clean record. I am not trying to be harsh at all but you said you had a federal felony conviction so you don’t, by any means, have a clean record. Sadly, in the US (unlike Great Britain and possibly many others) a conviction of any sort never goes away. It’s entirely possible that you denial is based on the old conviction. The US would probably deny permanent residence or citizenship to someone with an equivalent offense that was trying to stay here from a different country.

    You said you had some money. The sad truth is that Mexico (along with a lot, if not all the world) runs on money. You probably need a very well connected “friend” in Mexico who can get you in front of the right immigration officer there, who is willing to listen to your story. And he may need some gesture from you that shows how much you appreciate his understanding etc, etc. I am by no means saying you should try a bribe but face it, there are almost always deals to be made.

  185. zach

    I was off to climb Pico De Orizaba. I had my trip planned, tour guide, climbing guide, rental car, and hotel on the beach for the last half before heading home. As soon as the plane landed, and i had cleared customs i was motioned to secondary. I had the joy of being deported from the Mexico city airport last week. The humiliation of having the worst day of my life re lived, and of course a free escort to the front of the line at the airport ticket gate. I have worked hard, payed for my crimes, and have done everything that i was asked to do to comply with the system. My offense was a misdemeanor “communication with a minor for immoral purposes” I plead guilty, because I was scared, and threatened with a felony charge.
    So it does not have to be a felony to screw you over. Thats what im saying. I also had a close friend of mine who is a lawyer review my plans and tell me that i would be fine…..after a day in the airport detention facility, i was placed on a flight back to the states.
    The mexican police, ICS were far more professional than any US law enforcement i have ever encountered. It has been years since i have been a “free” man. I have not committed any crimes, including a speeding ticket. It is great that i can never repay my debt to the society that i live in. USA! USA!

    Hope you read this and it helps you. Im a person, and once i made a mistake. No one was hurt, and here we are. Lots of mountains to climb in the U.S. , but it would have been cool to climb internationally and Orizaba is a perfect starting point for high altitude climbing.

    • Spiff

      Zach, are you on the registry? Can you explain your legal status a little more? I need to know if people NOT on the registry are being sent back as well before I book any further travel to Mexico. I am wondering if a previous criminal record is enough now to get stopped in customs. Thanks!

  186. Nick

    I have been denied entry from Mexico twice while traveling by air. The 1st time was early 2014 when a notice was sent and they were waiting for me at the gate. The 2nd time was this spring. They were not waiting when I landed, but when my passport was scanned at the checkpoint I was brought in for questioning. At this point i’m assuming I’m on their list and if I travel again, I will be stopped when my passport is scanned since my passport is flagged. In the past few months my charges were dropped and i am clear from my previous issues. I recently obtained a new passport (with a new passport number). Assuming I fly to mexico again, another “notice” will not be sent to mexico with the charges cleared. With my new passport/passport number, do you think I will still get stopped at the checkpoint? I’m assuming their blacklist or list is based off of your passport number and not your name. Does anyone have any insight on this or thoughts?

    • Spiff

      Nick,

      I am sure the advice given by Tim E is the safest bet, but what a hassle. I am in the EXACT same boat as you having my charges dropped, de-registered, and have a new passport. So if you end up trying to fly, PLEASE share your results on here. I will do the same. Thanks!

    • TiredOfHiding

      You don’t think that all your passports are connected to your name and social security number and part of your complete file? Of course, they are…new passport numbers don’t mean dick. The government simply has yet another number used to track you and nothing more.

      • Nick

        I’m referring to my record in Mexico when they scan my passport. This is when I get stopped. I’m assuming they do not have my social and with many similar names they most likely would use a passport number to track me.

    • PS

      @Nick it’s based off your Name in Mexico. I watched as they were talking among the two of them referring to my name.

  187. Tim E

    @Nick
    Go by ground. DO NOT FlY PERIOD! If you must fly, fly to San Diego and cross by car/pedestrian walkway at San Isdrio. If you fly you allow these systems of control to tag you. Airports are the MOST monitored and secure borders. You set yourself up for government blockage by using them.I have crossed many times, Nobody gives a f*** at tourist crossings. Then your in. Bring your passport of course but getting a tourist card on the other side is easy as hell. Go ground. Got it?

    • Harry

      I do not have any interest going to Mexico, because of this kind of stuff: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mexico-to-check-bodies-dna-in-australian-surfers-case/ar-AAfTO8n?ocid=spartandhp Be careful.

    • PK

      @Tim Getting a Tourist Card is NOT EASY as hell as you put it. If you are a RSO of any type Felony or Misdemeanor, you will NOT get a Tourist Visa. Read my post.

      • Tim E

        @paul sal
        I meant getting in,by ground,is ‘easy as hell’. The tourist card is another matter. Honestly I haven’t had one for over a year. If you stay in the ‘border zone’ of 50 miles from border for 72 hrs or less you don’t need one.

        • PK

          @Tim who wants to stay in the border area? You’re right coming in via taxi is no problem at all.

          Now the question becomes for those of us who would like to travel even further south ie Colombia or Peru. Is land travel the only option?

          I’m thinking yes. The deal is once you try to fly into another country and that country receives the “green notice” then you are in their system. You would be denied even attempting by car in getting a tourist visa. However, traveling by car, through the multitude of countries to get where you need to go- should work theoretically.

    • PK

      @Tim just FYI the situation at San Yisidro pedestrian crossing has changed, since last September. Google it.

  188. PK

    After traveling to Mexico at least 5 times a year for the previous 7 years, I was denied entry into Mexico today 12/3/2015 at 8:00am. I did not drive, but walked across the International Bridge to Nuevo Laredo Mexico.

    I tried to do the right thing and obtain a Tourist Visa. After 1 1/2 hour within the Mexican Migracion Seconday Inspection, I was physically escorted across the international bridge right back to Laredo Texas, where 2 armed US Customs Agents were waiting for me. The Agents actually frisked me right there on the bridge, then escorted me back to the US Border Control Office in Laredo, where they performed a very thorough background investigation, and then proceeded to thoroughly inspect my luggage and belongings.

    I was told by the Mexican Immigration Official that I would not be allowed to enter Mexico this time, due to a misdemeanor conviction from 2001 regarding “Attempted Sexual Criminal Act”. I’m a smart person and in preparation of any potential problems, I have been carrying legal documents pertaining to that misdemeanor conviction with me whenever I travel internationally. Despite providing those documents to the Mexican Migration Official, he and the other people there refused to consider the legality of any of it. My documents indicate that I’m “Not Required” to register as a Sex Offender.

    The crime that they had me for in their system stated sexual assault- which obviously was not the case.

    The Mexican Immigration Person told me that they received this information from US Customs and Border Patrol. I was allowed to read the document which had the CBP information listed. The Mexican Migracion Official advised me to contact an Attorney in the United States- he obviously had no clue.

    • Tim E

      Crap this is the first time I have heard anyone being denied entry by pedestrian walkway. Very concerning, please keep me updated if you pursue this. I have used that same walkway twice. I feel for you but I hope this is a aberration, NOT A NEW TREND.

      • PK

        Dude, it’s a new trend. Since September the pedestrian walkway in San Yisdro (from San Diego to Tijuana) they check everyone’s passports. As you may know, before you could simply walk into TJ without anyone stopping you. Thats not the case now, and I’m sure they will be rolling this out for other ports into Mexico.

        • PK

          @Tim soon we will be the ones sneaking into/ swimming into mexico, which I wouldn’t put past PaulSal

        • Tim E

          @paul sal

          I was able to do so for Easter. Do you have links of other reports or ways to verify this?

          • PK

            @Tim Google San Yisidro Border Crossing you will see that starting this past September they are now checking all pedestrians crossing into TJ.

    • Timmmy

      This is very odd. I have a conviction from back in 1996, but not on any list.
      I got another permit (3rd in a row – I have been getting new ones after expiration) just three days after you posted this, in Reynosa.

      When you get a permit they scan your passport, and when you cancel it, it is scanned again. So since December 2014 my password has been scanned a total of six times. They did not so much as blink an eye.

      I even get vehicle permits each time.

      • PK

        @Timmy are you an RSO and did you fly in?

        • Timmmy

          No, not an RSO, and I have not flown since 2004.

          • PK

            @Timmmy it would appear that you are fortunate that you don’t have this problem. I got issues going into Mexico, and it’s a problem for me because my life is there, and has been there for the past 6 years. I wish that I DIDN’T have to come back to the US but I HAVE TO for medical reasons. I wish there was a way that we could private message each other.

            • Timmmy

              I am a bit confused. You are , or not on a list?

              Where you ever? I know some states, once you leave that state, or even die, for example, will still keep you on that list of theirs.

  189. HH

    Hello @paul Sal,

    At which point did they detain you ? Did you scan your passport and then they detained you while you were trying to get the tourist visa ?

    • PK

      I’m not sure if they actually detained me or not, although I was escorted back over the bridge by 1 gordito Mexican. I probably could have out-run him had I not had 2 pieces of luggage with me.

      This all went down when I tried to get the Visitor Visa. I no issue whatsoever in February getting the visa. I think just walking-in without stopping into the office for the visa, wouldn’t have caused a problem for me.

      I did make it through- although no visa and kind of worried about the return trip back…

  190. PK

    I would like to elaborate on a previous Reply “Do you have any idea about whom and what the US is telling other countries?”

    So far I’ve read on this Thread that Mexico, Colombia, and Panama are not countries to attempt to fly into.

    Does anyone know of, or have any experience about, any of the other Latin American Countries? ie Peru? Bolvia?

    • PK

      It seems to me that “driving to” Peru or Bolivia would take an awfully long time and back pain. Going by bus or car, I don’t see how some country would receive a green notice, unless perhaps a database of information is sent irregardless of intended travel.

      Then one would need to consider the risk involved in attempting to fly-into one of those countries, then subsequently being added into their database of travelers to deny.

  191. HH

    Paul Saul –

    When you entered Mexico on the 3rd by foot had you already flown internationally since 2013/14 and been flagged in they system already? I’m trying to figure out how they knew when previously you had no issues entering Mexico , walking in.
    We knew that travel was being flagged via Interpol upon booking an international flight but from what you are saying it seems now the actual passport is flagged even if there is no known international travel.

  192. PK

    @HH yes that was exactly the case, I had previously attempted air travel into Mexico in 2013 and was turned back. Again after flying in at least 20 times in the past 7 years. What is puzzling to me is that I was able to obtain a Tourist Visa walking-in at the same Nuevo Laredo port, earlier this year without issue.

    • Timmmy

      That explains why you go denied entry into Mexico via land. I just don’t fly anymore.

  193. mch

    Concerning entering Mexico at the border, particularly San Ysidro or San yaskidrow. The US has paid for the new Mexican border crossing there, complete with cameras, armed guards, dogs and the giant x-ray machine. This “joint effort” cost american taxpayers 500 million at least. So far I cross the border in a vehicle monthly. The vehicle has been stopped, searched, inspected but no one asks for my passport…yet. They are set up to do so very soon I believe. I rent a house and spend a couple of days at a time there, never exceeding the magic number of days away (whatever that is.) So, at this time entering Mexico by foot es no bueno, but by vehicle, whether bus, taxi or auto is safe. You will have to go to secondary inspection when you re-enter the US. I have had few problems in secondary, some inspections lasting all of 5-10 minutes, others lasting 30-45 minutes. I go to work on a home there, and always have my tools with me, with my golf clubs. I know that at some point I will be denied entry into Mexico, but for now I’ll enjoy the tranquility and being anonymous while I’m there. Just a side note, more from paranoia on my part; I have my passport and wallet tucked safely in a foil/mylar/copper mesh pouch which supposedly blocks electronic access in reading my information. Who really knows if it works, but thus far I think it has. I’ll be wearing a damn foil hat soon I think.

  194. Concerned Registrant

    I realize that there are always new registrants coming to this website, and we all need to gather information and participate in our freedom of speech. But I think it helpful that I share an observation: Whatever plans we make for travel and post here will be read by those who wish to restrict our travel. It should surprise no one that pedestrian crossing into Mexico is now being (or has been) shut down for registrants. The information that registrants could cross the border in this manner has been repeatedly posted. We keep informing the government through these posts about avenues for successful travel. Do you think that maybe these avenues are targeted as a result? FYI, I am always reading these posts on international travel so that I can come up with a travel plan that is original. Unfortunately, I am finding it more and more difficult to do so as every idea is posted.

  195. HH

    @concerned registrant
    Agree completely but how else do you recommend we get this information ? Maybe we can recommend a live chat via the website ?

  196. concerned registrant

    No easy answer to that question, except to say that direct information passed at the meetings person to person have proven valuable. and information about successful travel on the website have value, except that mentioning such likely creates a “We-gotta-shut-that-down” response from those who wish to further restrict our Constitutional freedoms. The only reason they have not succeeded is because certain other countries (few actually) are not cooperating (yet) with the U.S., but that could change at any time. As I mentioned before, there is no easy answer, but there is great value in discretion. Perhaps others could pipe-in with suggestions.

  197. Timmr

    Playing secret cat and mouse games with border officials is not going to be good for us in the long run. If they don’t hear it from us, then certainly they are smart enough to realize an RSO can walk across the border or get in a car. The last image we would want to present is a bunch of RSO’s secretly trying to sneak into other countries. As if we had something to hide. It wouldn’t help. If we are going to bring this before the attention of the public and hope to win, we have to be open and forthright. That is how peaceful war has been waged, from Gandhi to Rosa Parks.
    Maybe 50 to 100 (better 1000) of us could plan a crossing into Mexico as a protest, much as we did in Carson, when we marched from City Hall to the park. How would a hundred registered Americans trying to cross at one time affect border operations, I wonder? They seem to not know how to process even one registrant. In Carson, it was openly announced and the council members were invited to lunch with us. Although many of us surely felt quite the opposite, in Carson we presented a bold and confident front, and in glaring contrast to what people had expected from registered Americans. Who was shamed in the end? It was not the marchers but the city council.

    • Harry

      100, RCs can request lunch with Mexico President, at the border?

      • Tim E

        I wouldn’t say the president of Mexico but how about the mayor of TJ or governor of that region.

        I disagree with those who say we should not openly say how we can enter. I do not believe that officials are incapable of realizing how we can enter on their own.
        I knew the day would come that they would start cracking down on pedestrian or car methods. It was only a matter of time I just kept hoping that it would not happen until I could my shit together and flee the US when I had the means. I hope a few avenues will remain open like obscure crossings.
        It may get to the point that price club members will have to track down coyotes to reverse illegal immigrate.

        • Timmr

          I don’t know, I think it is important for all to see it is is registered Americans, not sex traffickers, who are being denied entry into the country. The distinction is important, and if they spend a day trying to sort it out, then they will have to think about the distinction and whether it is worth the money and manpower to deny paying tourists into Mexico on a whim of the American government. I am hoping we can change the situation before we need to find avenues to get around them — they may close all those avenues if nothing is done.

          • TiredOfHiding

            Here’s the thing. The government doesn’t operate in any dimension that actually exists but rather in a state of denial of anything resembling reality.

            The government basically has a blank check to spend as they please (that is why we are so far in the red that we never will see black again) and so manpower is only an illusion used for political manipulation of the people.

            Then you have the whole way that ALL sex offenders are linked with children thanks again to the way politicians manipulate. Sure, the VAST majority of those on this list had nothing to do with children and YET…all are subject to Jessica’s law as if they personally killed her! Madness right…

            Well, associate anything with harming children real or imaginary and people’s brains simply shut down…basic evolutionary reaction I am afraid that THEY know how to manipulate perfectly.

            In other words…we are screwed!

            • Timmr

              Speak for yourself. I can choose for myself whether or not I’m screwed. Lazy or frightened, yes, maybe, but having no power to use against it — BS.

    • mch

      I find it unusual that registrants are allowed to drive into Mexico with no questions asked, but are stopped as they walk in. If that is the case, then it is totally open and nothing hidden. If we’re banned from entering on foot, are we also banned from driving into Mexico? I do like the idea of a large group of registered citizens walking into Mexico and that act alone would wreak havoc on both sides of the border. Be prepared for an all day ordeal in secondary on the US side if that comes to pass. Perhaps an attorney could join the group, maybe even a reporter/journalist could enter the fray with us. I enjoy the peacefulness of the area I visit, I’ve made friends, I visit openly and without worry, which is more than I can say for traveling within the US. I also know that at some point, my access south will be denied, for all things do come to an end. For now, I’ll enjoy what I can, when I can. I do agree that when one travels it may be better just to not say a word…

  198. JQ

    I would agree with a previous poster, about the amount of information we post on here in terms of ways to solve these problems. “We keep informing the government through these posts about avenues for successful travel. Do you think that maybe these avenues are targeted as a result? FYI, I am always reading these posts on international travel so that I can come up with a travel plan that is original. Unfortunately, I am finding it more and more difficult to do so as every idea is posted.”

    I think everyone should limit their post to just the facts of what happened and their experiences.

    Does anyone know of any of the other issue with Latin American Countries? like

    Uraguay? Peru? El Salvador? Honduras? Bolvia?

    • James

      I have to disagree with several posters as to not posting or discussing travel means and methods. It seems paranoid, though God knows we have ample reason to be paranoid, but secrecy is our enemy; openness our goal.

      In some weird way, in my opinion, the more of us the better. I believe we are approaching 1 million registrants in the US…if we could organize…there might even be some political power here.

      But regardless, hiding in the shadows is what they want…for me, proud and free, living well, being happy, is the best revenge against an unfair system.

      I wish I could help more….but at the moment, and forgive me for this selfishness, but I have a pretty decent life to protect…so I smile and keep my head low.

      Which reminds me, for Janice’s victory over Carson, which is more important than we know at the moment, ripples and all…I must send a Christmas donation to The Cause.

      Good luck to Everyone,

      Best Wishes for a great Christmas Season….it’s dark outside, but be happy!

      James

      PS thanks to Paul Sal for all his up to date information

    • T

      Yes JQ, I flew to Lima back on June 8 2016, and was refused entry even when I did the 21 day notification of travel. This is my warning to you that the feds will send out alert notices to what ever country you’re heading to, and the alert notice is going to say something like ” this person has a criminal past history and will potentially commit a future crime in that country”.

  199. HH

    James – you are very right in my opinion. To your point-
    I visited DC recently for my personal business and spent a lot of time with our lobby firm that represents my interests in our company . The entire time I was there I kept thinking how powerful and how much could change if everyone could donate even $5 monthly, the power behind that would be huge. Janice and team could use the money to hire a lobbying firm , while it is expensive – it’s more than doable if we could get everyone organized. A full time lobby firm in states and in DC would be the most powerful thing we can do. There is where laws are made and changed. I experienced this first hand and that’s how things get done.

    I don’t know how we would organize all of these people but it can be done and that is when changes would be made.

    Thoughts anyone ?

    Maybe there is a need to post this in general comments as it doesn’t pertain to travel but I think it’s important.

    • Margaret Moon

      HH, I totally agree with you. I don’t know if you are talking about a national fundraising campaign or just in California but I have said many times, as have others, that if everyone just in California donated $5.00, with over 100,000 registrants and their families and friends, we could do incredible things!

  200. JQ

    I was wondering if someone could explain how this “Guardian Angel Program” works?

    Is it a fact that foreign countries are notified only for Level 2 and Level 3 Offenders?

    Does this information get passed only when a RSO attempts to fly into the foreign country?

    I know that Interpool has their owm process “Green Notification” for which I have the same questions.

    Thanks in Advance!

  201. concerned registrant

    Regarding the Angel Watch program and the purpose behind what is happening for international travel and RSOs. We tend to look at everything as though it centers around us. I am of the opinion that we are just a step in a larger plan. Rather than looking at government trying to restrict our travel, consider that the U.S. government is trying to restrict (control) all travel by U.S. citizens. In countries like China, a person cannot travel from one province to another without getting written permission from the government. Consequences are very high for not complying. The message is “resistance is futile.” But the U.S. cannot start restricting the travel rights of the average American citizen. So what does the government do? Start with restricting a class or group of citizens that most people would agree should be restricted. That’s us, folks. Who is going to make a big stink about preventing registered citizens from international travel. See anyone out there fighting for our rights? A good salesman knows that you initiate any sale by getting the prospective buyer to agree with you. You ask questions where the obvious answer is “yes”. The more times you can get the buyer to say “yes”, the more likely they will say yes when you try to close the deal.
    Okay, America, we should restrict the travel of all those sex offenders. Right? —- Yes
    We should restrict the travel of any felons. Right? — Yes
    We should restrict the travel of anyone who owns a gun, because they must be violent. And we should warn other countries about them. Right? — Yes
    We should restrict anyone who disagrees with what we say, because they might infect other countries with their crazy ideas of personal freedom. Right?

    • David Kennerly

      We are, in fact the ‘low-hanging fruit’ of a much broader agenda to control the movement of all people. We’re the experimental ‘starter’ group, perhaps, although international travel restrictions have also been extended to those who are said to be in arrears in child support and, of course, there is the ‘no-fly’ list which must be seen, in its total immunity of the government and its imperviousness from outside scrutiny, as every bit as egregious as banning sex offenders from travel.

      Nevertheless, we are amongst the very few whose rights to travel ARE being abridged in what is almost certainly an emerging overall trend in such restrictions. As such, we have every right to be outraged as well as every responsibility to challenge this ominous shift in public policy. We should be as concerned with the internationalization of U.S. jurisdiction over its citizens and the implicit claims of ownership our government makes upon us as well as the international mechanisms to facilitate those claims, such as Interpol, as we are with any other act of injustice committed against us.

      I have often thought of the parallels with overtly non-free countries, such as China, with its “internal borders” and its visa requirements to travel within the country, as well as the historical restrictions on travel imposed within the former Soviet Union. We are not that far away from such restrictions, even if ours are, for the time being, more narrowly-tailored. However, we now see this movement as truly international, in which governments collude with each other against their own citizens. This is unique and uniquely disturbing.

      I had a very brief exchange with Mick Moran of Interpol on Twitter recently. He is the chief honcho in charge of tracking registered sex offenders as they cross borders and alerting member nations (which is, essentially, all nations) when they do so. He said: “No problem with RSO travel when everyone, including destination country is aware.”

      This is, obviously, a lie (and he certainly KNOWS it’s a lie) as is his statement “I know many more RSO who have travelled and have harmed children [David: than those who were denied travel, apparently]. Lot mores I’m afraid.”

      So, he’s essentially pandering to the hysterics here by promulgating, as the sex hysterics have always done, outright lies and is himself a campaigning hysteric, albeit one in a position of great power. It is worth noting that he is not an American, but an Irish citizen, but through ‘international cooperation’ has become one of our chief tormentors.

      This should scare everyone, not just registered ‘sex offenders’.

      But since it won’t, and doesn’t, we have our work cut out for us.

  202. concerned registrant

    My point exactly. Thanks for chiming in, David.

  203. PK

    in my view, illegal aliens have more rights than I do. Seriously, any illegal alien with a green card, can travel internationally back to their home country and come back to the US as much as they want.

    Let me get this straight: For a simple 2001 misdemeanor sex offense by statute, for an “ATTEMPT criminal sexual act” because someone was 4 months shy of their 17th birthday, and F******* lied about their age, I am restricted from working in the US and leading a normal life like everybody else.

    And now, I am restricted from traveling to another country to work and lead a normal life, because?

    Am I supposed to love my country after all of this? I’m really beginning to understand now why so many people dislike the United States. Anyway, sad to say that I really don’t feel that this is “my country” anymore.

    • c

      Welcome to the club. Now, feeling as you do now, imagine if the American government was launching Hell Fire missiles from the wings of Predator drones – the pilots thousands of miles away – into your neighborhood and killing your friends and family. Your disillusionment would turn into seething hatred. That is how many people around the world feel about our country and why so many Americans sew Canadian flag patches to their backpacks when traveling abroad.

    • NPS

      Illegal aliens don’t have green cards. If they did, they’d be legal permanent residents. In fact, illegal aliens don’t have any documents. But regardless, you’re right, they do have more benefits than American citizens and legal residents.

  204. anonymously7

    “Copy and paste this and send it to all of us”
    God bless you!
    —————–
    Alert act now!
    The U.S. Senate passed International Megan’s Law with amendments and sent it back to the U.S. House of Representatives for approval.
    The Senate passed HR 515 formerly known as “International Megan’s Law” with another NEW title “InternationalMegan’s Law to Prevent Child Exploitation and Other Sexual Crimes Through Advanced Notification of Traveling Sex Offenders” and added a section about passports.

    Essentially, all current passports for folks CONVICTED of a sex offense/s MUST be reissued, with the words “SEX OFFENDER” prominently displayed on the passport. And all new passports for folks convicted of sex offenses will be issued with same wording.

    The Senate also added a section for appropriating funding ($6,000,000) for each of these years (2017-2019) to implement International Megan’s Law.

    Advocates and their families and others need to immediately contact their U.S. House Representatives and object to the entire IML bill (and concept), and any other similar bills that may arise.
    ————————

    • Paul

      There’s an entire topic thread related to this. We’re all well aware of this law.

  205. Mike

    With reference to Mexico, does anyone have a success story using an attorney in Mexico? Any specifics on the process? I was looking for specifics that have actually occurred and not guessing. I want to be legal.
    I do know that in many cases, a registrant can walk or drive across the border, but to move past the free zone, a visa is needed. I have been turned back twice, first by air and then a second time as I attempted to get a tourist visa at the border. Any help would be very much appreciated.

  206. Paul

    Actually, you are not allowed within the “free zone”. Per Mexico law, you have been deported.

    “Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)”

    If you enter the country, even in the so-called “free zone”, you can be arrested and charged.

    Also, you may be surprised to learn that the border is tightening up a bit. In fact, CBP is now scanning people as they cross into Mexico.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-checks-foreign-border-crossers-with-eye-scans/ar-BBpGTPv

    I’m not a lawyer, but there’s my two cents. Flat out, I wouldn’t even consider crossing over; especially having already been rejected from the country before. Just not worth spending 10 years in a Mexican prison over.

    • PK

      Paul,

      There’s a difference between being “deported” and being “denied entry” into Mexico.

      The CBP are scanning people as they enter into Mexico at 1 crossing, not all crossings.

  207. PK

    Yes this thread is still about Mexico.

    Things are looking up!

    • David H

      PK

      why are things looking up? as you stated with regards to travel to mexico

      • PK

        Sorry I was feeling a moment of joy regarding my personal situation with Mexico. In as much as I don’t like to reveal too much information on this Blog, I am hopeful that things will work out. But I’m still not out of the woods yet, and I’ve got a long way to go.

  208. PW

    i live in mexico inside the free zone. rosarito is where i live. i bought my passport worried that they would never give it to me before i crossed into mexico. a week later they gave me my passport. i was panicking as i walked across the pedastrian crossing saw some military dark skinned guys. heart throbbing worried i would be stopped and questioned. nobody paid any attention to me. and i was across the border and into mexico. been living in mexico for a year now. no problems. police don’t care if you have a visa or not. though the city is one of the most hostile cities i have ever been in my life. 30 to 60 minutes south of tijuana is where i live. not nice people at all here in mexico though. rude, disrespectful, you name it. moved recently into a big 275 per month apartment. living room, kitchen, shower and bedroom. i am here because i don’t want to go back to U.S.S.A because of no freedom. here in mexico there is freedom. now there is a new facility where there is more security walking into mexico and have to have passport and all. i dont know about driving in. one commentor here said it’s no problem no worries. i came in when they where so laxed that they did not care to check up on background or anything. saving money planning to fly out to singapore or japan. my charge is sexual battery; groping a woman’s butt. misdemeanor. don’t know if this offense is under international megan’s law or not.

    • PK