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International Travel – Mexico

There have been many comments / stories on recent travel to Mexico. This post is dedicated to Travel to Mexico. Some Mexico specific comments  have been moved here for further discussion.

Also see:

Living with 290 – Traveling to Cabo San Lucas

International Travel

Sharing More Information Will Enable Federal Agencies to Improve Notifications of Sex Offenders’ International Travel – United States Government Accountability Office, February 2013 (Highlights)

International Tracking of Sex Offenders Working Group – An interim report of the collaborative effort to develop a system for tracking registered sex offenders as they depart and enter the United States, as required by 42 U.S.C. 16928 (White Paper) – developed by representatives of the Department of Justice, Department of Homeland Security, Department of State, and Department of Defense offenders as they depart and enter the United States, as required by 42 U.S.C. §16928, December 2010

Current Situation Results in Thousands of Passports Issued to Registered Sex Offenders – United States Government Accountability Office, June 2010 (Highlights)

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  1. concerned registrant

    Regarding the Angel Watch program and the purpose behind what is happening for international travel and RSOs. We tend to look at everything as though it centers around us. I am of the opinion that we are just a step in a larger plan. Rather than looking at government trying to restrict our travel, consider that the U.S. government is trying to restrict (control) all travel by U.S. citizens. In countries like China, a person cannot travel from one province to another without getting written permission from the government. Consequences are very high for not complying. The message is “resistance is futile.” But the U.S. cannot start restricting the travel rights of the average American citizen. So what does the government do? Start with restricting a class or group of citizens that most people would agree should be restricted. That’s us, folks. Who is going to make a big stink about preventing registered citizens from international travel. See anyone out there fighting for our rights? A good salesman knows that you initiate any sale by getting the prospective buyer to agree with you. You ask questions where the obvious answer is “yes”. The more times you can get the buyer to say “yes”, the more likely they will say yes when you try to close the deal.
    Okay, America, we should restrict the travel of all those sex offenders. Right? —- Yes
    We should restrict the travel of any felons. Right? — Yes
    We should restrict the travel of anyone who owns a gun, because they must be violent. And we should warn other countries about them. Right? — Yes
    We should restrict anyone who disagrees with what we say, because they might infect other countries with their crazy ideas of personal freedom. Right?

    • David Kennerly

      We are, in fact the ‘low-hanging fruit’ of a much broader agenda to control the movement of all people. We’re the experimental ‘starter’ group, perhaps, although international travel restrictions have also been extended to those who are said to be in arrears in child support and, of course, there is the ‘no-fly’ list which must be seen, in its total immunity of the government and its imperviousness from outside scrutiny, as every bit as egregious as banning sex offenders from travel.

      Nevertheless, we are amongst the very few whose rights to travel ARE being abridged in what is almost certainly an emerging overall trend in such restrictions. As such, we have every right to be outraged as well as every responsibility to challenge this ominous shift in public policy. We should be as concerned with the internationalization of U.S. jurisdiction over its citizens and the implicit claims of ownership our government makes upon us as well as the international mechanisms to facilitate those claims, such as Interpol, as we are with any other act of injustice committed against us.

      I have often thought of the parallels with overtly non-free countries, such as China, with its “internal borders” and its visa requirements to travel within the country, as well as the historical restrictions on travel imposed within the former Soviet Union. We are not that far away from such restrictions, even if ours are, for the time being, more narrowly-tailored. However, we now see this movement as truly international, in which governments collude with each other against their own citizens. This is unique and uniquely disturbing.

      I had a very brief exchange with Mick Moran of Interpol on Twitter recently. He is the chief honcho in charge of tracking registered sex offenders as they cross borders and alerting member nations (which is, essentially, all nations) when they do so. He said: “No problem with RSO travel when everyone, including destination country is aware.”

      This is, obviously, a lie (and he certainly KNOWS it’s a lie) as is his statement “I know many more RSO who have travelled and have harmed children [David: than those who were denied travel, apparently]. Lot mores I’m afraid.”

      So, he’s essentially pandering to the hysterics here by promulgating, as the sex hysterics have always done, outright lies and is himself a campaigning hysteric, albeit one in a position of great power. It is worth noting that he is not an American, but an Irish citizen, but through ‘international cooperation’ has become one of our chief tormentors.

      This should scare everyone, not just registered ‘sex offenders’.

      But since it won’t, and doesn’t, we have our work cut out for us.

  2. concerned registrant

    My point exactly. Thanks for chiming in, David.

  3. PK

    in my view, illegal aliens have more rights than I do. Seriously, any illegal alien with a green card, can travel internationally back to their home country and come back to the US as much as they want.

    Let me get this straight: For a simple 2001 misdemeanor sex offense by statute, for an “ATTEMPT criminal sexual act” because someone was 4 months shy of their 17th birthday, and F******* lied about their age, I am restricted from working in the US and leading a normal life like everybody else.

    And now, I am restricted from traveling to another country to work and lead a normal life, because?

    Am I supposed to love my country after all of this? I’m really beginning to understand now why so many people dislike the United States. Anyway, sad to say that I really don’t feel that this is “my country” anymore.

    • c

      Welcome to the club. Now, feeling as you do now, imagine if the American government was launching Hell Fire missiles from the wings of Predator drones – the pilots thousands of miles away – into your neighborhood and killing your friends and family. Your disillusionment would turn into seething hatred. That is how many people around the world feel about our country and why so many Americans sew Canadian flag patches to their backpacks when traveling abroad.

    • NPS

      Illegal aliens don’t have green cards. If they did, they’d be legal permanent residents. In fact, illegal aliens don’t have any documents. But regardless, you’re right, they do have more benefits than American citizens and legal residents.

  4. anonymously7

    “Copy and paste this and send it to all of us”
    God bless you!
    —————–
    Alert act now!
    The U.S. Senate passed International Megan’s Law with amendments and sent it back to the U.S. House of Representatives for approval.
    The Senate passed HR 515 formerly known as “International Megan’s Law” with another NEW title “InternationalMegan’s Law to Prevent Child Exploitation and Other Sexual Crimes Through Advanced Notification of Traveling Sex Offenders” and added a section about passports.

    Essentially, all current passports for folks CONVICTED of a sex offense/s MUST be reissued, with the words “SEX OFFENDER” prominently displayed on the passport. And all new passports for folks convicted of sex offenses will be issued with same wording.

    The Senate also added a section for appropriating funding ($6,000,000) for each of these years (2017-2019) to implement International Megan’s Law.

    Advocates and their families and others need to immediately contact their U.S. House Representatives and object to the entire IML bill (and concept), and any other similar bills that may arise.
    ————————

    • Paul

      There’s an entire topic thread related to this. We’re all well aware of this law.

  5. Mike

    With reference to Mexico, does anyone have a success story using an attorney in Mexico? Any specifics on the process? I was looking for specifics that have actually occurred and not guessing. I want to be legal.
    I do know that in many cases, a registrant can walk or drive across the border, but to move past the free zone, a visa is needed. I have been turned back twice, first by air and then a second time as I attempted to get a tourist visa at the border. Any help would be very much appreciated.

  6. Paul

    Actually, you are not allowed within the “free zone”. Per Mexico law, you have been deported.

    “Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)”

    If you enter the country, even in the so-called “free zone”, you can be arrested and charged.

    Also, you may be surprised to learn that the border is tightening up a bit. In fact, CBP is now scanning people as they cross into Mexico.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-checks-foreign-border-crossers-with-eye-scans/ar-BBpGTPv

    I’m not a lawyer, but there’s my two cents. Flat out, I wouldn’t even consider crossing over; especially having already been rejected from the country before. Just not worth spending 10 years in a Mexican prison over.

    • PK

      Paul,

      There’s a difference between being “deported” and being “denied entry” into Mexico.

      The CBP are scanning people as they enter into Mexico at 1 crossing, not all crossings.

  7. PK

    Yes this thread is still about Mexico.

    Things are looking up!

    • David H

      PK

      why are things looking up? as you stated with regards to travel to mexico

      • PK

        Sorry I was feeling a moment of joy regarding my personal situation with Mexico. In as much as I don’t like to reveal too much information on this Blog, I am hopeful that things will work out. But I’m still not out of the woods yet, and I’ve got a long way to go.

  8. PW

    i live in mexico inside the free zone. rosarito is where i live. i bought my passport worried that they would never give it to me before i crossed into mexico. a week later they gave me my passport. i was panicking as i walked across the pedastrian crossing saw some military dark skinned guys. heart throbbing worried i would be stopped and questioned. nobody paid any attention to me. and i was across the border and into mexico. been living in mexico for a year now. no problems. police don’t care if you have a visa or not. though the city is one of the most hostile cities i have ever been in my life. 30 to 60 minutes south of tijuana is where i live. not nice people at all here in mexico though. rude, disrespectful, you name it. moved recently into a big 275 per month apartment. living room, kitchen, shower and bedroom. i am here because i don’t want to go back to U.S.S.A because of no freedom. here in mexico there is freedom. now there is a new facility where there is more security walking into mexico and have to have passport and all. i dont know about driving in. one commentor here said it’s no problem no worries. i came in when they where so laxed that they did not care to check up on background or anything. saving money planning to fly out to singapore or japan. my charge is sexual battery; groping a woman’s butt. misdemeanor. don’t know if this offense is under international megan’s law or not.

    • PK

      Don’t chance it man, stay where you are.

      I was in Rosarito for a while as well. we were in a house close to some casino, and you could see the fence from our house.

      • PW

        yeah that is nice to hear you lived in rosarito too. how about ensenada is it cool. my friend told me you can fly anywhere in mexico with just your american ID. that is so cool.

    • Erwin

      Sounds like the pedestrian crossing hasn’t changed much from when I was on holiday in San Diego a few years ago. Me & a friend crossed the pedestrian bridge at San Ysidro and got waived across by a man in fatigues sitting on a rusty old card table chair. He didn’t even check for ID

      When I was living in Cali in the early 90s, I had a friend who owned a 2 bedroom condo in a gated development about 40 miles north of Ensenada. I forgot the name of the development but it was on the cliffs overlooking the Pacific. Very beautiful! And my friend paid 50 grand for the condo. He shouldn’t have sold it shortly afterwards because I’m sure it’s worth more now.

      I’m surprised rental prices are in the 200s in Baja because that’s what my step brother paid in the early 80s when he lived in an American community near Rosarito Beach. He worked in San Diego but he wanted to save money by renting in Baja

      Don’t burn bridges with the US. What if you get sick or need medical care? It sounds like your offense is not that serious and some states won’t publicize your name on their registry. Just something to think about.

      Singapore & Japan are mega expensive. You’re better off going back to the states where it’s a lot cheaper. If you like Asian culture, Portland is a great place to live plus Oregon only lists level 3 offenders on their website. You’ll pay an arm and a leg for rent in Singapore. Plus I believe Japan turns away RCs now. You can double check the matrix that RTAG puts out. I remember seeing Japan as a no go.

      But good luck in whatever you decide to do! Just be careful and watch your funds

      • PW

        yeah they don’t post my name on their registry in california at all. i have to register but its not on the megans law website. i have looked online for cheap places in japan for rent. and have found a few for $500 per month plus utilities for a small apartment. south korea got the biggest expense for a room beyond $1k per month. what is RTAG ?

        • Erwin

          RTAG is the Registrant Travel Action Group. They have a very limited website http://www.registranttag.org that reports on the travel experience of registrants. You can also submit your travel experience by filling out an online form

  9. Robert

    PW. If you go to Japan when you go through Immigration you will have your thumb print scanned. In about 5 seconds the Immigration officer will have your whole record in front of him. Japan is hooked up with the FBI’S NCIC criminal data base. Then it is up to him if he let’s you in or not. As for Singapore, they are setting up thumb print scanning in Immigration. They now scan at the ferry terminals and are setting up the scanners at the airport. And here’s a new one. Also when you get off the plane in Singapore, they now have facial scanners set up to scan the passengers. And I know this because I come to Singapore about 3 times a year and I am here now. And there have already been US RSO’S denied entry here because of the green notices. I am here to find my wife and children. They left me back in February because of IML. Our wonderful government will not let my family in the states because of the AWA so they are here somewhere in Singapore or a resort Island in Indonesia which I am going to tomorrow. My crime was 28 years ago. And I found out the jerk off court system we have in the US is supposedly that you are innocent until proven guilty but actually if it’s a sex crime you are innocent until.you run out of money

    • PW

      How did you make it into Singapore if your a SO ? what is your charge if that is okay to ask ? yeah i hear lots of different things about japan. one friend of mine told me there is no international database where your info pops up on scanning your passport. he works in the airline industry. the government tyranny sends off info about you heading to the country and then they wait for you and your name and airline arrival. but yeah thank you very much for your input on this. do you know of any sex offenses listed for international megans law ? thanks.

      • Robert

        I have been coming here in Singapore for more than 10 years. I have never been bothered entering. As of now I am in Indonesia on a resort Island. Three years again I was denied entry in the Philippines because I applied for a extended stay visa which triggered a background check. I was convicted of 3rd degree rape in 1987 by a girl I met in a bar who I did sleep with and then she tried to extort me for money which I wouldn’t pay. She turned out to be 15 and looked like one of the Kardashians. I am a Level 1 in New York with no designation. ( sexual predator, deviant, etc). I have 3 days left and my name is removed from registry. But i still wonder if I travel if i will be free to do it or still be slammed with IML

        • PW

          wow man. even back in the 80s women could falsely accuse you of rape. well let us know including me what happens when you get off the registry and fly over to a “high-risk” country for s.o.’s

  10. F0rsak3n

    I keep reading there is a Mexico-side law prohibiting RCs from being in Mexico, but I can’t find it. Is there a link to it, or anything? My brother-in-law just managed to travel without issue to Taiwan for a week with his wife, and barely suffered the inconvenience of a 1-minute “interview” for special processing.
    Bolstered by that, he and my prettier-half swear I should just go to Mexico; what’s the harm, right? A slight delay, no worries. Right?

    So… Any proof there’s a real risk, not only for myself (who is overly-cautious), but for him? As a side note, I feel he has an easier chance of travel since his was an “attempted assault”, whereas mine involved a minor (I was one, as well, but still…)

    • Mike

      http://www.banderasnews.com/1405/nb-mexico-guardian-angel-program.htm

      http://www.animalpolitico.com/2015/08/mil-130-pederastas-extranjeros-intentaron-ingresar-a-mexico-en-los-ultimos-dos-anos-sin-exito/
      you will need to use a translator but this has more information. It did have an English page but not now.
      Unless you enter by land you will not be allowed in. Also if you do not notify the US government, you will be in violation of the New IML.

      • PK

        “Also if you do not notify the US government, you will be in violation of the New IML”

        If you live and are registered in a SORNA State.

      • ONE DAY AT A TIME

        All you need to do to comply to IML is to notify the Law Enforcement agency you register with of your travel plans. I would suggest sending a registered letter. Since IML has not yet set up procedures for enforcing the new law, most police departments likely have no idea what they’re supposed to do with this information, especially in non AWA states like California. I doubt local police will have any idea who to send this information to. But as long as you have a registered mail receipt, I don’t think there will be anyway to say you aren’t in compliance. Bur regardless of IML, Angel Watch will still send their notifications as always.

    • Erwin

      Someone else posed that very question in the International Travel thread. There’s not a law per say that makes it illegal to be a sex offender in Mexico. However, there is a law on the books containing guidelines on individuals deemed not acceptable for entry into the country.

      It’s in the Mexican Federal Code on Criminal Proceedings. The statue gives immigration officials the right to refuse entry of individuals convicted of a serious offense. Most sex offenses involving minors are covered in the federal code. Examples include corruption of minors; child pornography; exploitation of minors.

      So you would definitely have a problem with entry but even if your brother in laws offense didn’t involve a minor, the fact that he’s on the registry will probably get him denied entry

      I don’t know about you, but if my offense is considered a “serious offense” under Mexican law, that would give me reason for pause when considering traveling to Mexico

      • PK

        “It’s in the Mexican Federal Code on Criminal Proceedings. The statue gives immigration officials the right to refuse entry of individuals convicted of a serious offense. Most sex offenses involving minors are covered in the federal code.”

        Depending upon the individual circumstance, this Federal Code can be challenged through the Mexican Courts.

    • PK

      You definitely don’t want to fly-in, because once you are on their list ….

  11. PK

    Does anyone have anything new to share about their travel to Mexico?

    I know that someone had posted about being denied entry into Cancun for their honeymoon, but his post was misplaced.

    Paul Rigney has also developed the “Mexican Travel Committee”

    Is this Thread where we should expect updates regarding that?

  12. Dia

    My husband on October 12 got sent home from Cozumel, although we have traveled there before and to Jamaica last febuary and Cabo the year before that and had no problems except in Cozumel both times but the first time 4 years ago he got in, anyways my question is he is off the registry in 3 1/2 years will he be able to travel to these places when he no longer has to register???

    • John

      Since he is already in the mexican database, that will be up to mexico at that point. If he gets off the registry in 3 1/2 years in theory the united states will no longer notify countries that he is traveling.

      You would need to make sure though he is off the state list were he is registered and off the federal registration list.

      With the new issue regarding passports being coded to show an offense that may come into play if the passport does show an offense. Not sure how that all plays out.

      • PK

        Once is he in the Mexican Migracion Database, it will be next to impossible to have himself removed

  13. ml

    I invite all who have had problems entering Mexico to contact us at latintravel@registranttag.org.
    We are a part of the Registrant Travel Action Group. Check the website as we are attempting to devise strategies and procedures to facilitate travel.
    PK give us a shout.

  14. Austin

    Hi, so from what I gather here is that RSO can still go into mexico by crossing the border, then from there fly to Cancun, etc. correct? I understand I still have to do the 21 days notification, will that cause any issues? Meaning what do I tell them? I’m going to cross the border to Mexico and fly to Cancun, then fly from Cancun back to the US?

  15. James

    I see no one has replied to your question, so I will try….

    If you walk across and present your passport, you will probably be denied entry to Mexico…it is possible you will drive across without being thoroughly checked…and then fly down to Cancun successfully.

    I would however not fly Cancun to the US, rather reverse the process at the border.

    To put a finer point on this, I would not attempt such travel at this time….in a year or so things might be considerably clearer…and between now and then, I am purposefully keeping myself off as many possible lists as possible.

    But who knows? Just be aware than many, many people have been arrested or turned back by the Mexican authorities.

    Regardless, good luck to you on however you decide, (though you now have a corresponding duty to let us know).

    Best Wishes, James

    PS The 21 day notice seems to make all of this even more problematic…but it is your decision.

  16. Marie

    If your in a state that tiers the registry and you’re no longer on it….

    If you haven’t used your passport since 2008….

    You think flying to Mexico is ok?

  17. Clay

    yes,
    lots of helpful threads here for us RSo’s n this incredible travel ban, im writting to ask if anyone has any information on the border crossings in arizona. im a us citizen convicted of a sex assault misdameanor, (internet chat conversation with a minor). . charge was 10 years ago, however in 2015 i was denied entrance to mexico through the airports.. problem is my fiance is a mexican born nacional, and is unable to obtain a visa to get int the usa, i am planning on crossing the border on foot, and i am aware passport laws are constantly changing, im under the impression that anyone entering mexcio by land or by air will be denied>? by presenting your passport at border crossings along the AZ border will be I automatically be denied access? my reason for going to mexico is to marry the love of my life, but my registration is even preventing me from doing that. . . is there any recourse>? any land borders that are sure to give me a better chance on entering mexico? i would do just about anything to marry her. . .any help from people who have crossed recently?

    • PK

      Enter by foot. I’m not sure about Arizona, as I enter through Texas.

      Marry your fiance in Mexico if you are able.

      In most delegations you will need your Mexican Travel Document in order to get married.
      However, the Mexican Law has changed, and this document is no longer a requirement. The problem is that most of the delegations who marry you, don’t know about this change in the law.

      If you want a Mexican Visa, you have to be married. You will need a Mexican Immigration Lawyer, and it will take years. Don’t plan on marrying in the United States.

      I’m in the process, have retained a Mexican Immigration Attorney, and I’m here to help.

      • PK

        In furtherance of that advice:

        There was a Mexican Federal Case involving the Institute of Mexican Migration that was recently ruled and decided in favor of my Attorney and his Client, an RSO from the United States.

        To make a long story short- It has been ruled that The Mexican Migration must provide due process for RSO’s or anyone who has been denied a Temporary Resident Visa. They can’t just simply deny anyone and everyone entry into Mexico, or a Mexican Visa, without providing them with an Immigration Administrative Hearing. This can of course be appealed all the way to the Federal Level.

        So- my conviction was a misdemeanor involving a 16 year old who lied about their age. No sex involved. As it turns out, my conviction isn’t even a crime in Mexico. Their Federal Statute indicates a crime if less than 15 years old.

      • ML

        PK I would love to get your advice. Can you contact me latintravel@registranttag.org? We have been searching for a competent immigration attorney in Mexico.

  18. ML

    I will also post this in general comments tomorrow but I have some information for those that want to travel or better live in Mexico. I have been on the phone with a lawyer in Mexico that speaks great English. He said what many know in that the travel restrictions are new and Mexico lawyers are looking for ways to permit their clients to enter. The lawyer that I talked to was a specialist in constitutional law and immigration. He said that it would be best at first to fine up to three primary cases where the RC has a very sympathetic case. Like public exposure or public urination or statutory rape. It would be better yet if the “victim” was an illegal or undocumented Mexican. Also a person who is married to a Mexican citizen would be another good case.
    If you are interested, please contact me at latintravel@registranttag.org.

  19. randy

    I need help and some info….

    I was given a week long vacation in Cancun as an award for 20 years of service with the company. Without knowing any better, I accepted it and plane tickets, hotel and other things were bought and paid for by the boss. Problem is, I have applied for a passport but even if I get it I know that I will not be allowed into Mexico since I am RSO, and the boss doesn’t know this. Yes, he’s an asshole too, and trying to change anything would result in stiff consequences. So I have a couple of options here. Take the week off anyway and let them “think” that I went to Cancun, or try this…. What if I were to fly or drive to Mcallen, TX and cross the border on foot. Then grab a local taxi and head to the Reynosa airport and hop on a plane to Cancun. Then I would return to Reynosa and then walk BACK across the Bridge to Mcallen and head home…. I would still have ID’s and birth certificate and anything else, just no passport. Any thoughts????? What can I expect flying between two Mexican cities being a white American citizen? Does anyone see any problems getting on or off of the planes in these cities since they are both within the country or any probs in Customs???????

    • DavidH

      What makes you believe they wont check you at the Reynosa/ McAllen border, walking across?

      • randy

        David H, anyone can WALK across to visit, shop or whatever, as long as you don’t go a certain distance into the country. I’ve read this many times here and on other forums. All you need is a Birth Certificate and DL to get back in, and you may get pulled in to secondary inspection for a few more questions. This is from CBP on the US side as I called them directly and asked a few questions

        • PK

          Not correct. Not anyone can simply walk into Mexico. You will be checked and your passport scanned by the Mexican Migracion at the Otay Messa Crossing into Mexico. And yes you will ALWAYS receive the secondary inspection treatment upon return to the US.

    • C

      While I don’t have anything to offer on how to cross, it seems you’ve got nothing to lose monetarily since someone else paid for the trip. I say go for it. If you get turned away, tell the boss you’re Aunt Gertrude took I’ll and you had to rush to her side.

      Good luck!

      • Tired Of Hiding

        Nothing to lose? Nothing except his dignity and possibly his job. If he is met at the plane by the Federal Police and taken away then hes been outted…no way to just blame it on a sick Aunt! They are not subtle about this…trust me!

        • PK

          Once the US sends out the Notice on you, Migracion will receive it, then notify the Federal and State Police. The Notice that I have indicates that you “could” have contraband and should be searched. The Federal Police wait for you to exit the Gate. They might perform a cursory search of your carry-on, then take your photograph. They are very cordial about it, and will try to explain to you that you were just a “random pick”. They will probably ask you if you have been previously arrested for something. Then they’ll let you pass onto the Migracion Line, telling you “no pasa nada” like don’t worry, everything is ok in Mexican lingo. Then at the Migracion line you will be met again by the Migracion Boss who will yank you aside to their office, and give you the third degree.

    • GRR

      You’re crazy if you think you can pull this off. It’s not worth it. your job, jail in Mexico! Maybe in a few years things will change but I’m not holding my breath. We are in lock down except for a few states. Go to Hawaii for ten days, Europe, New York for 10 days. Stay out of Nevada and Florida and a few other states that have a 24 or 48 hour notice.

      If I was you I would fake an illness in the family or? and postpone your trip to Mexico and keep your job.

    • PK

      You need the passport. No further comment.

    • Avoid Mexico Randy

      Randy –

      Ask the boss if he is stuck on you going to Cancun or if he is open to you going somewhere else out of preference. If he asks why, just say you are not a fan of Mexico but would prefer wherever else you would like to go or after much thinking, you would prefer another destination, but appreciate the gesture of Cancun.

      OR

      If the tickets, hotel, etc are in your name, pay a change of flight fee and go somewhere else on the tickets where if the hotel (or resort) is a one that has other destinations where you can go, change to one of them. Might cost you a few $$, but the avoidance of the hassle is priceless where you can enjoy time on the boss’ dime!

      • pgm111

        That is good thinking. identify the hotel in Cancun and find a sister hotel in the states or over in France or Spain. Re-book your hotel and fly to another, more hospitable location. Tell your asshole boss that Mexico is out of the question but that you absolutely appreciate the gesture. Man-up, take charge and have fun!!

        • randy

          Looks like I can change the flight plans but the hotel/vacation package cannot be changed. Will have to see what else I can come up with. THANK YOU to EVERYONE for the comments and advice. WE are truly brothers in a fucked up situation that only WE are subjected to. I have sucked it up and am dealing with it.

  20. T

    On April 14th, 2016, I flew to Guadalajara for a weekend vacation with my coworker who was from Mexico. When I landed and was just getting in line at Immigrations I was a approached by an agent and I was escorted into his office and he told me that the reason I was brought here was because my name came up in the system (the alert notice)and that they were directed by the US government not to allow me into Mexico. He asked if I had a criminal record and gave him an affirmative answer and explained to him briefly. Even though the agent was just doing his job, he was courteous to me and said that he doesn’t see me as a bad person or criminal, but said that our government is doing this and later on I waited and was returned back into the states. When I got back, I contacted the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, even the FBI and nothing that they got on me except my past conviction that they know. I contacted my registration office and told them what happen and they said I was suppose to do a 21 day notification which they said was probably why I was refused entry, which I never ever knew about and no notifications were sent to let me know.

    Later I did the notification for going to Lima, Peru, and on June 8, 2016, I flew on my way to my destination with my fingers crossed, and when I arrived in Lima, the same thing happened again and that I was refused entry into the country and sent back, when I got back I contacted my registration office and told them what happened and they said sorry about the experience I had, I hadn’t travel anywhere else since then after what had happened again. I learned about the RSOL and also about the IML, my wish is that someday that the IML will be repealed and the “Angel watch” would cease their operation, and hold individuals like Chris Smith accountable for getting the IML passed illegally.

    • Photographic evidence needed

      Someone who attempts to go to out of the USA on travel and is denied needs to get a printout of the denial, a photo(s) of the printout denial and email the photo(s) of the denial to the states before coming back (so as to make sure it is back here before the printout is possibly confiscated by DHS on reentry) OR get a photo(s) of the denial screen if the authorities will let you, email the photo(s) back to the states and then delete the photo in case they decide to search your phone on reentry (which needs a search warrant by 4th Amendment).

      • David Kennerly, the Entrenched Client

        Has anyone filed a FOIA on this yet?

        • PK

          I’m not sure if this would fall under Mike’s purview from the LatinAmericanTravelGroup?

          • David Kennerly, the Entrenched Client

            I should mention that a request under the “The Privacy Act,” in lieu of FOIA, had earlier been recommended by Janice as being easier and maybe cheaper, too.

            If Mike could weigh in on this, that would be great.

            Thanks!

      • Even text messages would work

        Even a text message(s) with photos would work. Just get enough photos of all the data you can within the time allowed to have access.

        Airports globally have wifi or an international phone plan would work too. If you are close enough to the US border with Mexico, you may still get US cell service.

        • David Kennerly, the Entrenched Client

          That reminds me: I was threatened with arrest by CBP at SFO Immigration for using my cellphone while being “secondaried.” Depending upon the country, that is something to keep in mind.

          • Maybe someone nice and helpful?

            Good point. Hopefully, someone who is more sympathetic to the RC with where they are coming from (USA) and would be willing to give a peak at the screen or printout of what is being said. Each experience varies obviously but I believe someone is bound to break through what is being sent ahead of time.

            • PK

              I believe the Actual Notices get sent to Migracion Headquarters in Mexico City, then decisions are emailed to the individual ports like the airport.
              In my case, I have a copy of the email that was sent by the Headquarters to the Migracion Supervisor at the Airport. I have a copy of that email, but not the “actual notice itself”.

          • Timmmy

            Let them threaten all they want. They can’t stop you. I have even left the inspection to go pee.

        • Timmmy

          Cell phones do work close to the border, but VERY close. That would be within a mile of the border. T-Mobile, and its now owned MetroPCS now have roaming included in its plans now. AT&T should have it now since their purchase of two major cell phone carriers in Mexico.

      • AJ

        Hate to bear bad news, but 4th Amendment rights are severely curtailed at the borders. They may or may not need a warrant…SCOTUS hasn’t firmly said.

        http://www.businessinsider.com/can-us-border-agents-search-your-phone-at-the-airport-2017-2

    • Contact your elected officials

      Did you contact your elected officials? If not, you should so they can query the DHS, etc to get a copy of the denial on your behalf and forward it to you. It should still be in their database of denials. At the same time, you can do a FOIA request on this info.

      It is your right to know what is being said about you in their notifications to other countries. The senior state elected official (Sen or Rep) should be willing to inquire.

      • randy

        I have never tried to contact an elected official before but feel that it’s time to. I am in Dallas, how do I get started?

        • ml

          In a couple of weeks I plan on contacting the office of my US Rep and hope to make an appt with a staffer. I plan to talk to him about the IML, especially about the notifications.

          • PK

            It’s not going to change anything, the law is already established.

            Perhaps one day we will hear about the possibility of a new challenge to IML.

  21. Has Anyone Filed an Amparo, or appeal to enter Mexico

    I am looking for feedback on any successful legal maneuvers to enter Mexico. I am part of RTAG and the Latin Travel Group. We are trying to pool our resources and strategies to see if anyone has had some success.
    Please respond if you have had any actual motions filed.
    Thanks

  22. ML

    I just talked to an Immigration attorney in Mexico. I was told that Mexico’s Guardian Angel program is an extension of the US’s Angel Watch program. According to the attorney, it is an agreement between the countries that requires Mexico to deny entry to Mexico when the USA sends an alert. This goes way beyond notification. The process here and in Mexico has lacked transparency. With the practice, the IML is only window dressing in a practical sense.

  23. Stewart

    Hi All,

    I just wanted to share my experience as my situation is slightly different to most on here. I am a RSO in the UK, a UK citizen and i live in the UK.

    I was denied entry at Cancun almost 4 years ago when I flew in from London. Whilst lining up at Immigration, I was pulled out and taken into the office. I was asked a series of questions about my conviction by an immigration officer and 2 police officers. I was open and honest about my conviction. The officer had a report with my photograph on it – pretty much the same as everyone else’s experience on here. I was returned back to London on the same plane I arrived on.

    Now, the UK does not share information with other countries about convictions unless they pose a threat. My contact in the UK confirmed to me that they did not share this information outside of our borders. The only way Mexico could have known, in my opinion, is that the US shared it. The US are aware of my conviction as i declared it whilst trying to obtain a US visa.

    So it seems that not only is the US sharing information about convictions of US citizens, it’s also doing the same for other nationalities if they’re aware of it – completely unacceptable and outrageous.

    Is there anyone else who isn’t a US Citizen who has been denied entry to Mexico?

    Cheers.

    • concerned registrant

      Your speculation based upon your experience is probably true, and I would not be surprised. Keep in mind however, that the information on our travel is also being shared with Interpol, which is an international police force, and the information could be disseminated by them to any country of arrival. Just another possibility.

      • David Kennerly, Thank you for not confusing me with John Wayne Gacy

        Interpol makes clear in their stated policies that any authority to share criminal history data is controlled solely by their respective country; if the U.K. is unwilling to share that data through Interpol then it will not be shared, according to this rule.

      • David Kennerly, Thank you for not confusing me with John Wayne Gacy

        Interpol makes clear in their stated policies that any authority to share criminal history data is controlled solely by their respective country; if the U.K. is unwilling to share that data through Interpol then it will not be shared, according to this rule. Interpol has no independent authority to transmit such data through its network.

    • Robert

      Stewart,
      Sorry that this experience happened to you. It is a terrible experience to go through. I would encourage you to seek the truth of what actually occurred as much as possible. I have experienced this on three occasions visiting my family overseas. What likely happened to you is that a “traveling sex offender” alert was sent to Mexico in advance of your arrival. Based on factual information posted here and in the news since late 2012, it is likely that your government did share your information with a foreign country.

      Recently there was a post here, a press release by Philippine Immigration that reported the Philippine government received traveling sex offender alerts from three countries – UK, US and Australia. If the UK is sending alerts to Philippines on their citizens then certainly they are likely sending to Mexico as well.
      Link: http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/nation/620103/176-sex-offenders-mostly-americans-barred-from-entering-phl-in-first-half-of-2017-bi/story/

      Also a couple years ago, UK and US DHS ICE announced a joint effort to share information on their citizens:
      https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-uk-national-crime-agency-enhance-joint-efforts-combat-child-exploitation

      This is also evidence that UK shares data on its citizens.

      It is unlikely that you will be provided any information as the actual alerts (which is just an email) are treated as protected information by the government – they call it “intelligence” which is a joke because as most of us who this has happened know this false information being generated for political purposes than any actual threat to foreign citizens.

      If you have protected rights in the UK, maybe you have a lawsuit if you can uncover the truth. Many of us believe that the government is violating many civil rights and it will likely need resolved through the courts for this to end.

      Best of luck to you in discovering and uncovering the truth.

  24. E

    So I was under the impression that walking in to Mexico is the best way to go in as a registrant. They won’t let my wife into the country because of registration, and I am saving money to move back to the country she is in which won’t be a problem because I have citizenship there. In the meantime we decided to meet up in Mexico, she will fly I will walk or drive. But now I am reading contradicting accounts of walking/driving to Mexico. Some say no problem and others say that they will check. Which is it? Should I cancel the trip? Should I give it a shot? Is it better to drive or walk? I know nothing is guaranteed I just need some advice, thank you.

    • David Kennerly

      I think that you’re saying that your wife can’t get into the U.S. because she is the wife of a Registrant, is that correct? If so, has she tried entering the U.S. as a visitor, i.e. temporarily? Is she from a country that makes it difficult to enter the U.S. as a visitor? Has she been refused entry previously?

      I will leave it to the old Mexican hands to advise you on the current state of entry there. Obviously, flying in is completely out and you will be stopped and turned around at their airports. I have heard differing accounts of crossing the border by car or on foot and others here can report on that. I will say that, if it is still possible to cross a physical border at some crossing locations, it may not be for long.

      • E

        Yes that is correct, she can’t come because she is married to a registrant. I was lucky enough to get a job that has gone really well for me but I will have to leave that behind to be together with her. We have a long term plan to get her over here legally… emphasis on long. But for now I am just trying to figure out this Mexico thing. I already bought the plane ticket for her but now I’m afraid that I won’t be able to pick her up at the Tijuana airport as planned. And then she will be by herself for a week. What a disaster that would be 🙁 Every time I face obstacles like this I wonder… how exactly is making me and my wife miserable protecting anyone?

    • AJ

      @E:
      Would a circuitous route perhaps be a better answer? There are a few countries that aren’t part of INTERPOL…meaning there would be nowhere for USG to send a Green Notice, all while you’re (at least mostly) complying with IML.

      • E

        That would cost more than my budget will allow. I’m just going to hope for the best I guess

  25. Illinois Contact

    Any recent reports of travelers being turned away from Costa Rica?
    Is the Matrix going to be updated anytime soon?
    What about adding a cruise section.
    I’d gladly contribute if there were some attention to these issues.
    Thanks.

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