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Philippine Bureau of Immigration bans alien sex offenders in the country

MANILA, June 5 (PNA) — Foreign nationals who are registered sex offenders in other countries are barred from entering the country, the Bureau of Immigration (BI) said on Thursday.

In an order, Commissioner Siegfred Mison said aliens whose names are found in the registry of sex offenders as may be provided by a foreign embassy will be issued an order to leave since they pose a threat to public safety. Full Article

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  1. Q

    This is so sad. The US is spreading it’s sickness internationally. I hope the rest of the world doesn’t join in this denial of the basic human right to travel. I wonder how many families this is going to break up.

    • Anonymous Nobody

      Unfortunately, as reports on the website note, many other countries already have adopted that stance, apparently since this past December when the US started sending the info. And travelers can’t even know it until they arrive at the other country and are turned away.

    • maria

      so many site i go and read forum but still confuse. If only all people who affected the law against convicted sex offender share experience in all aspect that can help other it may b a big help. Like on my situation I dont know what the different of removing name from registry and not. Is it can give a ex regisrty to live normal again and restore some civil rights. i really cant find straight answer even i read a lot of article. Me many times i seek information bout immigration law if theres different situation if somene off name from registry is he can petition a family or same not

      • us citizen

        Today is the end of Jan. 2017 was in the philipines for 30 days with no problems. I did not give the 21 day notice no problems going in or leaving. No problems back in the us. When returning to the us don’t go to customs agent go to the auto passport machine it will print a pass for you and be on your way.don’t do anything dumb. do not give customs any reason to stop you and ask questions. talk with some people on your flight and stay with that group. have been RSO since 1998 just play the game and you will be ok.

        • Son of Liberty Child of Freedom

          us citizen

          Bravo, Bravo!!!

          Breaking Forth with Courage, Front & Center!!!

          The Father in Heaven Be with you Alway.

        • Troy

          WOW! So you were there in the philippines as a RSO and had no issues getting in or no issues on your return to the U.S??? Email me at troy.moore74@yahoo.com i would love to hear your story!

          • us citizen

            i would be more than happy to tell you my story. just ask your questions on here so we may help others.

            • James

              Ok, I’ll ask since I have forgone PI travel due to the IML.

              1. What was your original conviction of?

              2. Are you currently on the Megan’s Law CA website?

              3. Since other people have been unsuccessful in entering the Philippines, why do you think you had no problems?

              4. Because you didn’t give the 21 day notice? Or what?

              If there is some magic to be had in this, it would be appreciated if you would share it…especially for those that have spouses or far greater reasons than myself to go to the PI (though I did/do have legitimate business reasons).

              Best Wishes, James

              • us citizen

                1) sexual assault of female under 16
                2) no i am not on that website that i know of.
                3) i paid for my airfare 3 days before leaving,the airlines gives info to us govt. 1 hour before the flight takes off. i went on the week end also.
                4) i did not give the 21 day notice this is what will get you.
                5) i have gone to the PI 2 times now this way and have not been stopped or refused entry. i do not know why but the only thing i can come up with is not giving the 21 day tell all.

                • James

                  Dear us citizen:

                  How interesting…thanks for the reply.

                  I think your good fortune with the PI is in the fact that you are not on the Website….which itself is a nice trick to have.

                  Last question, are you a Registrant? Do you register every year, in CA, with your local law enforcement?

                  I suppose it is good then that you are not giving the 21 day notice….though this makes me nervous for you since it is a federal statue…I certainly could never get away with this, nor would I try.

                  But again…I am on the website, I register every year, I am in CA with lifetime registration, all of which may be distinctly different than your situation.

                  Still, I am happy for you.

                  Best Wishes, James

            • American

              Was refused entry to Philippians March 13, 2017, RSO, had vaild us Passport, did not know of this problem till refused. Wondering why I was granted a passport to begin with, working to gain admission thought proper Philippine Government Channel,

              • James

                Dear American:

                I am so sorry to hear that you had to go through this…I think we all wish you well finding some solution with the Philippine Authorities…but I don’t know.

                Good Luck & Best Wishes,

                James

              • grr

                did you give a 21 day travel notice before you left?

                sorry to hear you were denied entry..

              • Harry

                I am wondering how many drug dealers, known by the US Gov’t. that went through with no issues?

                • PK

                  All of them. They don’t care about the Murderers and Drug Dealers.

                  It’s the Public Urinators, Streakers, People with Misdemeanors, who have been classified as RSO’s- that’s who they want to deny entry.

              • Aussie

                Hi
                I was refused entry this week. I have a wife and family there and go there every month. this is the first time i have been refused entry. Can you please tell what philippine legal channels you are going through to try and gain entry.

            • Charles

              I would like to hear from you about how you had no issues because I have gone and was turned away any insight you can give me would be appreciated

          • ron

            I am in the UK want to travel to the Philippines on the 17 march will they let me in i am a wheelchair dependant person and want to go and see a girl I have known for over 4 years but never met,I just thought it would be a good time to meet up please reply

            • ron

              just want to add to my last comment…. I am on the UK S.F.R and have been on it for over 10years plus I am classed as low risk with that help

              • PK

                Hello, read the comments in this Thread and make a wise decision. I certainly wouldn’t fly to the Philippines.

                • PK

                  Please inform the group if you made it into the Philippines.

                  Now I’m wondering if notices are being sent from the UK.

                  Where’s Paul R?

              • Ron

                Have just been sent back from the Philippines Manila immigration will not let me in as I said in my disabled person and I’ve been treating really bad I ended up in hospital I just would like to see my family in the Philippines can I really help is there a way

            • Lake County

              This is probably not a good place to be sure you get the correct answer. We really only deal with U.S. laws and how it effects our travel to other countries. We could make an educated guess, but you’d be better off contacting an immigration attorney in your country or the Philippines. If you’re interested in marriage to this person, you also need to check your countries rules to see if you are even allowed to sponsor her entry into your country. We registrants in the U.S. cannot sponsor anyone to come into our country.

            • davidh

              Ron,

              this isn’t a question of the US whether a UK citizen gets let in–I’m assuming like the US the UK doesnt need a visa; therefore the only question is whether the UK performs a notification like the US

        • ANON

          i dont agree with that i been on th SOR 17 years now, i met my fiance online, im a pround gay male, i had no clue that they wouldnt allow me nto the country. i got off the plane and a gentlemen walked up to me and said sorry, it is is the computer that you are not allowed in the country(phillipines), my fiance was watiing for my at the gate, i begged and pleaded to at lest them make me meet him, they allowed it and we hugged and cried for 5 min, then i hads to go on a plane back home, Then when i got back to the US, i felt even worse, i had to explain to them and i was interogated why i was gone such a short time, it was awful. i DONT know who i need to talk to about geting removed out of this “computer system” my level on offense is level 1 whiich means im a’low risk”, if anyone has anything to help me out with this please do so, thankyou , i would really appreciate it…..

          • PK

            Meet him in Malaysia, but don’t fly there.

            • David Kennerly, Thought Crime Wave

              Is Malaysia allowing Registrants in? I had thought that both Indonesia and Malaysia were not. I could be wrong.

              • robert m

                Yes does anyone know if Malaysia is allowing us in there or not?? anyone one with any info it would be helpful

        • Anthony

          That’s good to hear you were there. But others are not that lucky. I left to go to the Philippines and it was a long flight to get there. But unfortunately once I arrived to Manila going through the immigration check point ,I was denied entry and I had to fly back home the same day.

  2. G4Change

    Disgusting!

  3. td777

    All the more reason the argument that registration is punishment is a valid one!

    The hard part is while we’re seeing small victories, we are also seeing major setbacks like this. My wife is from the Philippines, but now I could never go with her to visit there as it is now.

  4. USA

    This is nuts! I’ve visited PI twice and I was planning a trip in a month or what not. Now, I have elderly parents there who are too old to travel? Now , how can I go see them ? Seriously ? PI is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. You enter the country and hand them a passport and a $20 and your ushered through . You go through customs and hand them. $ as well and they don’t blink an eye. So, why is the US preventing people with past criminal offenses ( mine over. 18 years ago and charges dismissed/expunged )? This is nuts! What if you had become a US citizen , broke the law and wanted to go back to your homeland to visit relatives who where I’ll or dying ?

    • Anonymous Nobody

      The US is doing a very underhanded and dirty and sneaky thing, and unAmerican thing. The US is technically not the one denying your travel. The US is merely providing information. It is the other country, where you have no US Constitutional rights, that is denying you entry.

      This is the kind of run around that people who oppose the US Constitution devise — you know, our lawmakers. They can’t do it from this side, because our Constitution woudlnot allow it, so they arrange that the other side will do it when we arrive completely undermining the intent of the US Constitution.

      And I still don’t know just what the other side is being told. I think maybe NOT ENOUGH. I think they are simply being told you are a register sex offender. Thus, while they might not care about, say, some misdemeanant who wagged his weenie 10-20-30 years ago, all they know is that a mad killer child rapist and torturer who eats all his victims as a cannibal are wanting to enter.

      • Q

        Anonymous Nobody

        Well said; it is indeed those that oppose the constitution. They use our own laws against us here, and when that’s not possible they use the laws of other nations against us. They are master manipulators for their own ends.

        I do not consider these people that do these things my countrymen; I do not consider them Americans, for that matter.

      • hambone

        The USA SOR is just the beginning to have ALL people register. Communism didn’t die it just moved to the USA and is slowly taking over the country. The SOR is government sponsored hate. People believe all the crap that TV drama shows portray, and it is the women who insist on the SOR progressing forward. If the USA can not be taken over by force, then it can easily be taken over using the female citizens.

    • Pete

      hello sir, i was just wondering if u were able to visit philippines without a problem? im also a registered sex offender and became a US citizen when i was convicted..im planning to visit my home country this year but im afraid now because they might not let me get in

      • Harry

        Pete, as I can tell, save your money and do not go. Please, follow the post on this thread and I think you will understand. Things can and may change, however, for now, I am sorry.

        • Pete

          Sorry if I didn’t make my post clear but does it apply to Filipinos who became US citizen as well? If it does, by reacquaring my Filipino citizenship will I be excempted from the ban? From what I believe once u become a US citizen u will lost ur Filipino citizenship by naturalization and that makes me a foreign national to native country?

          • Harry

            Pete, my wife is a Filipino who is now a American Citizen. I help with her immigration and US Citizenship. For a while she had a Filipino passport along with her US passport and was able to enter the PI with either passport. She did not renew her Filipino passport, however, to my understanding, she still can enter the PI with her US passport and if she wants to stay beyond her visiting status, as long she had her old Filipino passport, she can stay as a “Returning Filipino”. However, I do not know about you, because of the offense. With my understanding, you can have dual citizenship, however, you may need to pay income taxes to the Filipino government on top of what you have paid here. It maybe helpful for you contact the Filipino Consulate Office in San Francisco for assistance.

            • David Kennerly

              As a Philippine citizen, she can get a new passport, most likely at the Philippine Consulate.

        • Robert

          I just visited the philippines in january this year and returned in feb. i didnt get pulled over till i was back in the USA in immigration, dont know if i was just lucky or not. My wife is in the philippines and looks like i cant go there until i can get taken off the list. i dont make enough money to get her here in the usa on even a wife visa, my life is a living hell right now

          • PK

            Meet her someplace else- not in the Philippines and not in the United States.

            Secondly, it would probably cost more money to try to be taken off of whatever list, then it would be to get her a visa, if you’re married.

          • Barbie

            My fiancee have a e felony charge. Can he enter the phils. Thank you

          • dave

            my wife is also a filipina , i was married in the philippines in 2005 , and was there in 2007 /2011/ and 2015, without a problem ,, i lost my comerical license due to medical reasons , but still planed to retire in philippines whit my wife and my 2 boys , on oct 25 2016 was denied entry at manila , been over 22 yrs without any problems and registered every yr , why do they continue to change the rules .. my life is over , i supported my wife for 12 yrs now , and now im not allowed to see her , the usa can not bann us from traveling , this is just there backdoor way of screwing us again , when does the punishment end ?

      • Paul

        Your response is a little contrary to what is typical. For example, you became a citizen after conviction. That’s not likely, under normal circumstances.

        If you have not given up your citizenship to the Phillipines, then they cannot deny you entry. You are, after all, a citizen of that country. Getting in might be a hassle but, ultimately, they will have to let you in.

        • Harry

          To my understanding, if a legal resident is convicted of any crime, here, is cause for deportation. I wonder why this did not happen?

          • New Person

            Possibly a number of factors.

            Usually, a felony makes one eligible for deportation, but even then there are technicalities that can prevent deportation. I don’t believe misdemeanors can do much.

            Another factor could be California does not necessarily enforce such rules.

            Now with that said, Pete, are you a dual citizen? If so, then I don’t know how the PI can deny its own citizen from entry. This is a good question to continue to inquire about.

            • David Kennerly

              They cannot. States cannot prevent citizens from re-entering their country. They may well have a provision, however, for stripping naturalized citizens of their citizenship IF that citizen still has U.S. citizenship OR if the U.S. agrees to reinstate their U.S. citizenship.

              Regardless, that process is not instantaneous and must follow due process during which the subject can be (must be?) in the country.

              The one thing governments cannot do is leave anyone ‘stateless’ i.e. without citizenship in any country. This is the subject of long-standing international treaties.

      • Chief

        Unfortunately, you will not be able to enter the Philippines even though you are a former Filipino citizen. Right now, since you are a US citizen, you are barred from entering the Philippines. Maybe if you renounce your US citizenship, you might or get a lawyer to look upon your case for a possible in removing your name on registry list. We both on the same boat. I will have an appointment with my lawyer on June 29, 2016. I will share to everybody soon I get the result.

        • Pete

          i just got back from philippines,i have dual citizenship and had no problem entering philippines only when i arrived in the US i went thru secondary screening and they let me go

  5. j

    What appears to be the case is that retro active punishment is taking place on the presumption of guilt when this information allows foreign governments to take action against US citizens – AFTER their cases are closed.

    Somewhere in this area is where the law seems clearly to be breaking the constitution.

  6. j

    A TRO should be put in place until foreign countries are made aware of all murderers, carjackers, arsonists, bank robbers, drug dealers etc. – all of whom pose an equal or greater risk than the blanket cross section of registrants, especially those who have completed their sentences and completed parole or probation. Period. Anything short of a full scale broad spectrum and common sense approach would be a violation of equal protection under the law.

  7. It is what it is

    It’s pretty clear that the U.S. government is quickly working to cut-off all international travel for RSOs.

    This includes people who are not on any parole/probation and who should have all our rights to travel restored.

    Someone that I knew from SO therapy many years ago whom I hadn’t heard from in years emailed me out of the blue last month to warn me about travel because they knew I travel internationally for work sometimes.

    He told me he had tried going on vacation in Mexico. After getting off the plane, he was detained at the airport by armed guards, questioned, his luggage searched, his computer and camera taken somewhere presumably to be scanned, and then he was told he could not enter the country and had to return to the U.S. Nothing illegal was found in the searches, and the reason he was given for being denied entry was vague but something that alluded to his past and a “warning” from the U.S.

    So he was forced on a plane home, flew to LAX and then was detained, searched and questioned again!! He said that when he told the customs neanderthals at LAX that he didn’t even leave the airport in Mexico their response was “were you alone with any children while you were at the airport”.

    This poor guy wasted a lot of money on plane tickets to fly somewhere, be violated and harassed for a couple hours, forced to return before being allowed to set foot out of the airport just to be harassed and violated all over again here.

    I don’t recall the details of his original offense, but I know it is well over a decade old and he got probation and not prison.

    It is so out of control, I am afraid to travel even though I received a COR and no longer have to register, I’m sure once your in the “system” you are never truly removed completely from it.

    We NEED to challenge these things in court before every country is doing what the Philippines and Mexico are doing.

    My thought: Anyone who is denied entry to a country should fill out an intake form with the ACLU to challenge these “alerts” the U.S. is sending out. If the ACLU gets enough complaints from ex-offenders, perhaps they will take action.

    Another angle of this – I sometimes have to travel internationally for work, and so do others. This has the potential to get people fired and ruin their careers, perhaps there could be some legal recourse there?

    • Anonymous Nobody

      I wish the ACLU gave a damn. They don’t They have had their chance to weigh in on registration and all the collateral disabilities associated with it for 20 years or more now — and haven’t given a damn, haven’t bothered to. In fact, I personally pled with them about 15 years ago, and was insulted by them saying they had no interest in registration issues, was made to feel humiliated for thinking this was a legitimate issue. Now, not everyone at every chapter of the ACLU might take that attitude, but the ACLU has not done very much in all these years to stand up against this — and this is one of the most egregious violations of civil liberties of this age.

      This is not the ACLU of old that we came to believe would always be there to stand up for what’s right. If they were, you would not have to have mentioned them, as they already would have been on the matter a long time ago.

      • vahall

        I think you nailed it in your previous post on this topic. The ACLU is not going to jump in on a matter of Philippine sovereignty – nor should they! If any other sovereign nation wants to make a law, that is their business in their country. The American Civil Rights Union can only affect law and policy in the US. They make make a larger “human rights” argument as they have with Sharia law, etc.; they work to ensure that the U.S. government complies with universal human rights principles in addition to the U.S. Constitution. Care to inquire if the ACLU will argue the “universal human rights” of a convicted sex offender? Our Constitution is only the law of the land, in THIS land. Sorry to be a downer but I think the combination of bureaucracy proliferation in the wake of 9/11(under the mandate of the War on Terror) will thwart any efforts to curb US information sharing. Matters of national security and all that, you know…

        If you think this through, what court would you seek redress (TRO, OSC, etc.) from? A US court would be your only choice, as Americans don’t have standing to sue in other countries and when was the last time the US was accountable before the ICJ/World Court? Can you see the US Supreme Court curbing the behavior of the National Security Mechanism we have set up?

        It is indeed nasty and underhanded. Legislators such as Chris Smith, who want to pass laws which urge foreign countries to engage in “information sharing” as well as further penalizing the RSO who wants to exercise his/her right to travel, should be slapped down, forcibly. We can only control what our country does, not what Brazil or Bujumbura or Bolivia do, and damn little of that, unfortunately.

        • It is what it is

          In my post I suggested sending ACLU intake forms for the alerts the U.S. government is sending to other countries that infringe on any right of free travel.

          Neither my comment nor any of the others I have read suggest the ACLU involving itself in a foreign government’s legal matters.

          Of course the ACLU could always do more, but I did a google search and found that they have actually raised challenges to many sex offender laws around the country. I think CA RSOL is even located in the ACLU building in Los Angeles.

          Would they act on getting a bunch of requests for help from people being denied travel due to U.S. alerts being sent? Probably not, but it’s still worth a try in my opinion. At least it’s something tangible and documenting it and not just complaining about the unfair treatment going on.

    • dave

      a little more info on what form to fill out and what web site please , im ready to fill out a form .i was just denied to seeing my wife in philippines of 11 yrs , been clean and sober and not in any trouble for over 22 yrs now

  8. td777

    I still think we could use this as more evidence that registration IS punishment.

  9. USA

    It is! I feel bad for your friend. This is absurd ! I plead to a wobbler (nothing to do with children) 18 years ago and received summary probation ! Charges dismissed/expunged! Now, I was about to visit Mexico for a free cruise (work related), but I declined because of what I’ve read in the past on this site. I’ve visited Canada several times , but I’m always detained when arriving back to the US. This is terrible. I’ve paid my debt to society, the charges have all been dismissed and I’m continuing to have to pay ? I was about to visit PI in a month to visit family , but do I really want to pay all that money to possibly be turned back? Mexico and PI are some of the most corrupt countries in the world. So, it’s almost funny to see they are being so stringent. This really has to stop. This is a serious reason on why California needs to change their laws and not continue to hold misdemeanor convictions with summary probation to remain on the registry for life ! It’s absurd !

    • JBSanFran

      USA – Exactly right. The rest of the world have no idea how hyper-sensitive and extreme
      California can be on a broad spectrum of offenses, and for so many years. Nearly 200 convictions can receive a registry requirement –for life. They see the singular label ‘RSO’ from Homeland Security and react.

      I have an offense from 20 years ago, probation and a dismissal and need to travel internationally for work.

      Countries so far that have RSO travel restrictions are (total/some extent): UK, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, Mexico, Panama, Costa Rica, Philippines, and now Brazil. Mexico appears to send nearly all registrants back, even misdemeanors. This includes layovers/connections.

      I am interested on how you travel to Canada? They do have a rehabilitative process where older minor/mid level offenses can be overcome and entry granted, but it seemed Canada would not allow any registrant to enter? Can you provide more details here on your experience/efforts going to Canada? I have provided Mexico Immigration with the Canadian procedure for the possibility of reviewing / allowing ‘rehabilitated’ registrants not at risk to enter by providing supporting documentation.

      It would also be helpful to know if any registrant has been refused entry into Europe recently? And the details or better airports/countries to enter for those of us needing to do work related travels in the EU.

      • SOTraveler

        JB, do you have any experience with travel to Thailand?

        Also, I travel a lot domestically and have been wanting to apply for TSPrev to avoid intense TSA checks, but I don’t know if my SO status will preclude me from getting approved.

        Do you or others have any experience with this?

        • JBSanFran

          SOTraveler – I have not been to any Asian countries only Europe, the Americas and the Caribbean. I am not sure of the status of Thailand with respect to the new Sorna / SMART notification system, but even if they have not formally announced rejection, they may do it selectively already.

          I do not believe registrants or felons are eligible for any of the expedited TSA or SENTRI programs. Perhaps a California COR may allow an exception. Doubtful.

          You can apply for a ‘Redress’ number from DHS, but this may provide little help.

  10. Q

    This is born of that new world order BS.

  11. USA

    JB, I’ve never had any issues visiting Canada. I visited Vancouver about. 6 months ago via car. I was lead or given the impression only Felons are prohibited? I also visited PI last year, Costa Rica, Cayman Islands and a variety of other destinations. When coming into the US via Florida, the supervisor came up (when I was detained ) and stated , this is ancient history , have a good day. Coming back to the US via car , I was detained , stopped and they where very professional and simply checked a computer and sent on my wAy. Now, coming back in LAX, most of the individuals don’t know the laws, they are unprofessional and let me go . I just complied and ignored their ignorance

    • JB

      USA-

      I haven’t been able to find any exception to the RSO ban for travel to Canada. It appears misdemeanors are allowed after 5 years has lapse (without a special request) and non- severe felons after 10 years, but everything I’ve come across implies registrants would not be admitted. I will do some more research and have my attorney check.

      Any one else have experience traveling to Canada?

      • C

        I experienced being denied a visa to move and work in Canada to, of course, start over there and be free of the Megan’s Law website-induced social death.

        I hired a Canada-based immigration law firm and spent several thousand dollars to file all the paper work and the additional $1000 for the criminal background waiver. It took about 2 years with a lot of back and forth where the Canadian government asked for more information and referral letters. It was encouraging since it was not a flat out “No.”

        Finally they sent the denial which was generated by some random lady at the LA consulate who’s reason was that she was not convinced I was rehabilitated. Despite 27 years since the 1 and only offense, 17 years after release with no re-offense or police contact, 2 college degrees, successful technology career, home owner, business owner, husband, father, yada yada. None of that mattered.

        I do not think anything short of living a successful life and dying w/out re-offense will convince some people that one has been rehabilitated.

        If you are considering moving to another country with the help of an immigration attorney I highly recommend negotiating the price as low as possible with the promise to pay the discounted amount upon their successfully processing your case.

        • JB

          C:
          Thanks for the posting and information. Unfortunately, you’re probably right on never being allowed redemption or a rehabilitation label. (They only see one label.)

          Have you been able to visit Canada recently as a visitor / tourist? With the recent crackdown on any international travel, even for work, many are curious of how various countries are now reacting. Others have posted that they have recently visited Canada even as a registrant, while Mexico now seems completely off limits.

        • j

          They ought to ban foreign bureaucrats – like the one that summarily denied your application – from the US as they represent a grave threat to our inherent US citizens’ rights.

  12. Anonymous Nobody

    One potential legal way to challenge this: the Equal Protection Clause. I believe what the US is doing is to notify of any registrant. But that means someone convicted in California of a misdemeanor, say indecent exposure, will be subject to this notification, but someone convicted in New Jersey of the exact same offense will not be subject to this notification simply because NJ does not make people convicted of indecent exposure register. The result is unequal federal treatment of people similarly situated.

    Again, this is similar to what I have advocated to, rather than go for tiers that continue to make all the offenses California requires to register to continue to register, instead take a simpler approach and simply conform to federal. In that case, only the offenses thee federal government requires to register would remain on the registrable list. This would also serve to take all those now unregistered people out of this travel notification.

    I do not think we should stop there — absolutely not. Even those people who found relief from that should continue the fight — you are the people with the experience, the only ones to really understand. Once we conformed to federal, all of us should then take the fight to challenge the federal laws on this. But while we are bogged down at the state level, we can’t do that in any meaningful way. We simply must confirm California to federal, so we can then fight federal.

    • steve

      That would be HORRIBLE to to adhere to the federal laws regarding registration. It would be lifetime for most everyone here.

    • JB

      That everyone understands how horrible the AWA / Sorna reg laws are and yet they are less restrictive then the 100,000 strong California ‘for life’ 290 laws by allowing tiering, show just how draconian California has been since 1947.

      • steve

        Ah.. you want your work address posted? register every 90 days? I’m not sure they are less restrictive or more intrusive.

  13. USA

    I’ve been to Canada 3 times ? I’ve never had any issues . My ordeal took place. 18 years ago / wobbler and reduced to a misdemeanor in 2000 and expunged in. 2002? Battery and summary probation/ not child related ? I still get stopped coming back into the US?

    • Paul

      In Canada, you are automatically deemed “rehabilitated” if 10 or more years have passed since your conviction and, thus, you are considered admissible into their country.

      If 10 years or more have NOT passed, you can apply directly to their consulate so long as at least 5 years have passed. There’s some paperwork, and a fee, however, if the consulate deems you rehabilitated, you are good to go!

      Per their website: “The border officer will still check to ensure you are not inadmissible for other reasons”.

      It’s actually not that hard to visit Canada at all!

      http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/inadmissibility/conviction.asp#a2

      Here’s a YouTube link to a Canadian attorney, who explains the situation:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqQIqKbV8H4

  14. USA

    I have to concur with JB. Since 1947 is silly. You can kill someone and get more freedoms then sex offenders. So, the idea of someone having to register, be banned from parks/libraries/beaches, being fired from their job (one man worked near the ocean), being humiliated and harassed anytime you come back into the US from International Travel, being banned from traveling to other countries is just plain crazy. I plead to my incident 18 years ago, all charges expunged and had summary probation. Yet, I’m still treated like America’s Most wanted. Its nuts.

    • td777

      A friend of mine lost his son when the son was shot and killed by a known gang member(the son was in a gang as well). The killer got 12 years for manslaughter, after which he will have ALL of his rights restored to him and be allowed to go where he wants, do what he wants, etc. Yet, someone arrested for urinating in public is unable to go certain place, travel, etc. Another example of a broken system that doesn’t just need an overhaul on sex offender laws, but all laws!

  15. USA

    Guys, I’m not sure why, but I’ve had no issues visiting Canada? I’m not sure why. My charge wasn’t child related and it has been expunged years back? I had summary probation as well? In summary, when I flew out of Canada, US Customs are right there and I believe they ran me and just let us go/very professional. WHen I drove (we drove into Canada as well/twice), the US Customs stopped us, where very polite, ran me and we where on our way. So, I really have no idea why I’m allowed into Canada? Offense/ Summary Probation? I’m really not sure

    • JB

      USA-

      Thanks for the info. That does seem at odds with what we’ve heard. I also have an expungement with probation 20 years ago of a statutory age of consent in Cal, which isn’t a crime in Canada so maybe that would be OK too. Never tried.

  16. Marie

    My husband won a trip to Costa Rica.

    I am a SO off the registry. I don’t need to report travel to anyone.

    Will the Costa Rican government know about my SO (child related) even if I’m off the registry?

    The only reference I can find says ‘No sex offenders until 50 years have passed’. ( effectively a lifetime ban)

    But is that REGISTERED offender?

    I don’t want to go if it may cause me to be turned back and embarrassment to those traveling with me.

    Countries so far that have RSO travel restrictions are (total/some extent): UK, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, Mexico, Panama, Costa Rica, Philippines, and now Brazil. Mexico appears to send nearly all registrants back, even misdemeanors. This includes layovers/connections.

    • JB

      Marie-

      International travel restrictions seem to be changing almost daily, so it’s hard to be certain regardless. And of course the policy seems made to keep registrants in the dark and let them lose hard earned travel funds.

      It seems, if you have ever moved from a state or ever registered in a different state, you will likely have a notice sent even if you successfully “de-registered.”

      Are you currently sent to secondary screening at customs? If so you are still “in the system.” You can also assess your Sorna/AWA tiered requirement (15 yr, 25 yr, life. See 42 US Code 16915 et seq) as this seems to override state relief.

      Further, English speaking countries (and Japan) seem to have ties into criminal databases so they will be a problem even after relief.

      So, unfortunately there is no clear answer. And I fully suspect that’s exactly how they want it…

      • David H

        Hi JB I’m from California and I find this section under article 42 as you referenced above as being confusing. Does what I’m reading indicate that a tier III offender which would otherwise be life-time can be reduced to 25 years with a clean record:

        Sec. 16915. Duration of registration requirement

        (a) Full registration period

        A sex offender shall keep the registration current for the full registration period (excluding any time the sex offender is in custody or civilly committed) unless the offender is allowed a reduction under subsection (b). The full registration period is –

        (1) 15 years, if the offender is a tier I sex offender;

        (2) 25 years, if the offender is a tier II sex offender; and

        (3) the life of the offender, if the offender is a tier III sex offender.

        (b) Reduced period for clean record

        (1) Clean record

        The full registration period shall be reduced as described in paragraph (3) for a sex offender who maintains a clean record for the period described in paragraph (2) by –

        (A) not being convicted of any offense for which imprisonment for more than 1 year may be imposed;

        (B) not being convicted of any sex offense;

        (C) successfully completing any periods of supervised release, probation, and parole; and

        (D) successfully completing of an appropriate sex offender treatment program certified by a jurisdiction or by the Attorney General.

        (2) Period

        In the case of –

        (A) a tier I sex offender, the period during which the clean record shall be maintained is 10 years; and

        (B) a tier III sex offender adjudicated delinquent for the offense which required registration in a sex registry under this subchapter, the period during which the clean record shall be maintained is 25 years.

        (3) Reduction

        In the case of –

        (A) a tier I sex offender, the reduction is 5 years;

        (B) a tier III sex offender adjudicated delinquent, the reduction is from life to that period for which the clean record under paragraph (2) is maintained.

  17. Marie

    Thank you, JB.

    I have a paper from my state ending my registration. But I haven’t traveled internationally since being off the list.

    I really don’t want to fly to Costa Rica only to be turned back – but I don’t want to miss the trip if I wouldn’t be.

    All I can find is a generic statement that it is ‘sex offenders’ but many use that term to mean registered.

    I am reluctant to call the consulate because I’m not sure they will do anything more than take my name and flag me making it 100% I can’t enter.

    I am half tempted to take a quick trip down to Mexico and see what happens – but no one knows what Mexico is using to determine who they turn back either?

    • JB

      Marie – One simple option as others have mentioned, may be to go to San Diego and then do a simple day trip border crossing to TJ. Upon re-entry if you are on the list or subject to alert notices, you’ll have to go to “secondary” screening. Keep in mind that relieved registrants can be subject to another state’s registration for even short trips. And the wording of pending H.R. 4573 International Megan’s Law refers to “sex offender” per SORNA duration terms, not “registered.”

      Either way, good luck with your travel plans and let us know how you trip / experience goes. I think everyone here agrees that a non-offending, rehabilitated citizen should be allowed the right to travel. It is a fundamental human right.

    • A Wife

      @Marie – my husband got off “the list” a few years ago in California with a COR. Believe me, I realize how precious this second chance is. We traveled internationally before and after that day (which to me is of greater significance than a birthday or anniversary). Here is my comment about the impacts of that ‘stupid’ administrative event with respect to RE-ENTRY to the US.

      http://all4consolaws.org/2013/01/international-travel/#comment-98100.

      Not one secondary inspection out of I want to say 4 or 5 comings back. That is not to say a lack of anxiety. But if they do not hassle you coming back into the US (with all those precious American (white and blond?) children), I would be inclined to make the inference that they will not bother notifying other countries about your intent to go there. But I do not know. Only countries we have visited SINCE getting off the list are european, and clearly they do not have the same stick up their you know whats about most of these activities. There has never been a problem, whatsoever. Almost all of them do not even swipe your passport. They will look at your passport, you and wish a pleasant stay. They almost smile. The atmosphere at a european immigration station is… not sure what the word is – cordial, pleasant? Geee…. I sometimes wonder how life is possible without the menacing police presence like in the Land of the Free. But that is beside the point.

      We did go to Costa Rica while still registered, no problems, but that was in 2010 or 11 – in other words, a life time ago as far as these things are concerned.

      Costa Rica was a really cool place in every which way – we are planning on going again some time sooner or later, so sharing your experience would be much appreciated. If you end up going. I hope you do.

      Pura Vida!

  18. Marie

    Thanks, everyone!

    I am in country-locked Midwest but follow CA rulings closely since your group seems to wield the most power.

    I mentioned traveling out of country to test but that would be costly and lengthy for me.

    The decision will have to be made soon on whether I attempt it or not and I will report back on the results.

    I am past SORNAs limits for my tier so I hope the travel restrictions wouldn’t apply once tiered out?!

    In my state restrictions are written for all sex offenders – residency, parks, forest preserves, bike paths, etc, are off limits even when registering stops.

    Part of me wishes all states would wipe clean all these separate laws about SOs and adopt one standard law (or none at all but that’s a pipe dream).

    I’d like to see the ability to at least travel from state to state for 7-14 days without worry.

    It is frustrating to waste everyone’s time for a 36 hour business trip.

    Vent over.

    • Joe

      “I am past SORNAs limits for my tier” – maybe I am dense but why is any of this of any concern to you – in a practical sense, I mean? Not getting it…

      • JB

        Joe- ‘H.R. 4573 International Megan’s Law” Pending.

        • Joe

          H.R. 4573 pertains to those who are required to registered. Are – as in present tense. It sounds like @Marie no longer is having to do so.

          And what does this mean:

          “In my state restrictions are written for all sex offenders – residency, parks, forest preserves, bike paths, etc, are off limits even when registering stops.”

          Which state is that? How is that possible? If your registration stops, how can they still hold you to the restrictions that come with actively registering? What is the point of finishing your registration period? Is it not lifetime, regardless of what they tell you?

          @Marie, please explain what you mean by that. I am confused.

          • mike

            @Joe

            I bumped into this bizarre conundrum a few years ago on another thread with poster in the article from Illinois that responded to me that in his state “Sex offender laws apply to all sex offenders, regardless of whether you are required to register or not.” (i.e. residency restrictions and presence restrictions)

            This is very perplexing. If you don’t register, how are they aware that you are a sex offender? What is the point of registering if big brother is keeping track of you?

            Now we get a grasp of Marie’s concern. As we are finding out, there are many levels of government keeping busy tracking S.O.’s for different reasons like job security, we’re easy targets, or simply justifying their existence. Actual statistics point out that we’re hardly worth this much focus.

            It would not surprise me if California took this approach with a tiered system. Even if you drop off the registry, you would still be under some sort of control dictated by the whims of our great leaders; Just like our bogus plea agreement in Ca. that isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. Due process out the window.

            So, this adds another level to domestic travel restrictions regarding which state (or maybe even national) parks sex offenders OR registrants may be allowed to visit and without some research we could end up in trouble should we be required to show ID.

            • Tim

              I’m sure the technology is there to track us without the obligation to register. Snowden probably knows. But that would mean giving away another “tool” to send us to prison. With our low reoffense rate, we’re not giving them a justification to lock us up repeatedly for the same original offense. But if they make up laws tailored just for us and make them vague oppressive, then that problem’s solved.

    • JB

      Marie-

      If you are haven’t moved out of state and have been released from the registry in your state and are past the Sorna/AWA tier limits, then you should be OK as my attorney interprets the current international travel laws, at least in my case. (Only an opinion, not advise.) I agree, don’t alert the C.R. consulate.

      It would be nice if being past Sorna term limits would apply universally across state lines too after relief, but don’t see that happening.

  19. Marie

    Does anyone know what crimes end up in the Interpol database?

    Or how I can tell if I’m there?

  20. Mark

    The Philippines as many other countries have always had laws regarding Moral Turpitude and denying entry into any country for such crimes. Most never checked records as the system did not work that way regarding visa’s, but with pressure from the United states and there witch hunt against RSO’s the united states is now pressuring other countries or providing the “info” and now these countries are enforcing there laws already in the books. However I was denied entry in the Philippines on Feb 6th 2013 and sent back home. I hired a lawyer from the Philippines and proved with a letter from a certified SOTP that I was ‘No Threat to society” Commissioner Siegfred Mison approved my re-entry to visit my wife, on June 5th 2014 I entered the philippines and stayed for 3 months. There laws protect the Family and over ruled the United states demands for the witch hunt…Good Luck to you All, hold your head up and keep fighting these Hateful, self rigtheous hypocrites.

    • td777

      This is very good news to many on here. My wife is also from the Philippines(here as a green card holder before we even met), so it’s good to hear there might be a chance of us visiting her homeland at some point in the future.

    • Harry

      I believe a well written letter by RSOL to Commissioner Siegfred Mison demonstrating to him the truth about registered citizens and requesting easing up on the entry of RC with familiar ties to PI.

      • wonderin

        Correct Harry and it wouldn’t hurt to mention how many Registered Citizens donate considerable amounts of monies to help offset the poor economic conditions of their PI families abroad and it only comes from love and concern.

    • MARIA

      mark may i know what the name of the lwyer you hired from philippines. coz i have same problem. i need a good lawyer

    • Loren Pierson

      Hello, i was denied entry in april of 2014 to the philipines. i am married to for over 5 years. i havent seen my wife and stepson since april 2013. can you share what i need to do and what attorney you used. we have a home in cebu. i was denied my spousal visa’s this year 2015 after waiting 5 yrs. i dont have to register and i have documents supporting my rehabilitation. i was reunified with my kids and previous wife and raised them to graduation. thanks for any help. Loren

      • Robert

        Loren, My wife and I can try to help. My wife is in Cebu. Your wife may be able to get some results but she will need to go to Manila in person. We were able to get the blacklist order lifted against my name.
        I will request that ca rsol forward you my email adress.

        • mae

          Hi robert please tell me how did you get your name lifted from the blacklist i am from Cebu as well and i am married to my american husband for 2 years and longing to spend our life together fulltime. As we have just seeing each other 2 weeks a year in hongkong which is never enough But grateful that we can be together through that.please reply.thank you.

    • a wife

      mark may i know what the name of the lwyer you hired from philippines. coz i have same problem. i need a good lawyer

      PLease please…

      • Regina

        Sir/Ma’am, I am a Filipina from La Union, married to an American looking a lawyer to help my husband uplift his name so he can enter Philippines again. Please if you know someone please email it to me. Thanks…..

    • John

      Hi. What is the lawyer you hired and how can I reach them? I need to get blacklisted. Please help.

    • Iowa man

      How long were u off the rso and how did u hire a Phillipines lawyer? Did u have your wife do it for you?

  21. erich

    I think once the door has been cracked, people will find a way. There is a reason so many of us have relationships with Filipinas, its because they don’t judge! They forgive and just want a better life. I hope all of you can find a partner who will forgive, understand, and love you for the person you are now. That is my wish to everyone in 2015!

  22. Eric Knight

    Ironically, Carson has the highest concentration of filipino-American lawyers in the United States. That said, there are probably a lot of lawyers whom would have more insights into travelling to the Philippines with a record and/or registration. At least they can provide more information for hiring a Philippines-based lawyer such as Mark did.

  23. Bryan jones

    Having just heard from a friend of mine in the Philippines about the new law,I am deeply saddened by the thought of never being able to go see my son.has anyone direct Lee contacted the immigration department in the Philippines on their particular concern of travel. Is it possible that they review on a case-by-case basis in giving supported documents recommendations etc.

    • Gerald

      Bryan, I sincerely hope that this travesty you are facing can be resolved.
      Tearing apart a loving family is totally unacceptable and the act of a cruel and immoral government, especially when it is the result of a whimsical list.

  24. Dean

    If a person would look at facts, they would realize that most countries that do not allow sex offenders, will not allow ANY felons. When traveling, your background is checked. To prevent being turned back at the destination, check with the embassy of you destination prior to travel.

  25. Bryan

    I just went to the Philippines on 3/17/2015 and was turned away at immigration and forced to return to the USA. After traveling over 25 hours to get to the Philippines only to be forced to turn around and travel another 25 hours is a bit much. Not to mention the lost hotel reservations and additional costs incurred. Oddly enough, I had entered the Philippines, on 7/1/2014 with no problem. I even applied for and received my NBI which is police clearance in order to get work in Manila if I would have found a job. Good thing I didn’t because I am sure at some point I would have traveled abroad and had all my belongings in Manila and not been able to retrieve them. I renewed my tourist visa and had the ACR card, staying just over 7 months, before returned to the States. Side note if you stay for over 6 months in the Philippines you must then get special clearance to leave. Since I was not informed of this, I was actually stopped from leaving the Philippines at the airport and had to spend another week in order for this requirement to be met. They take fingerprints and do I am guessing research to make sure nothing is pending either financially or legally before you leave. Unfortunately, I had not researched any such restrictions into the Philippines as I had never heard of such. My travels have taken me to Shanghai China where I worked for 2 1/2 years in the past 5 years. Two trips to Bangkok for China, Venezuela, Peru, and Saudi Arabia for 10 months of work. This is a big wake up call for me because I was planning to visit New Zealand and Australia having no idea of these restrictions, but did not schedule those trips. I agree that tomorrow any country can change their decision to use or not use a SOR to deny entry so any international travel is a risk. My case that requires I register was in 1988 in a state other than California, from deferred adjudication. Getting expunged is pointless with the registration requirements now in place. I also worked in Canada so long ago that it is irrelevant, but at that time was flown back to the states every single weekend. A couple of times I was stopped for secondary inspection but just waved through once the person saw the data.

  26. Bill

    I was hoping I would get some help hear. Surely they can’t refuse you through your name because other people may have the same name and even date of birth. This must be done through your passport number. What happens if you have dual nationality. And the authorities don’t know that passport number. Surely you could gain entry that way

  27. Mark II

    Mark and Maria. I am desperate to get permission to get back to the Philippines. My wife and child are there. I came back to the states because of a death in the family. i was told by Immigration, at Cebu airport, that I cannot return.

    If you have the name and contact info of a competent attorney, please pass it on to me.

    I hope you get this plea for help. I miss my family so much.

    • Edward Jury

      Have your wife call the Guzman Tanedo & Acain Law Firm. Talk to Atty. Acain. He handled the immigration issues. You have to request to file an appeal by them to the Department of Foreign Affairs or to the Court, anyway, they know what to do and what procedures. The Phone number is 632-8941441 or email them at gtalaw@gtalawphil.com, hope this will help. I’m also doing all the avenue for my return to the Philippines.

  28. Robert Harris

    Below is the entire posting from June 6, 2014.. and it clearly is a violation of human rights to include the information on the derogatory records, especially for those of us that committed an offense that is not even on any US States list of offenses that you have to register for. My new gf lives in the Philippines and I am either going to have to travel us both to Hong Kong to meet in person before I can apply for her visa to come to America.

    BI BANS ALIEN SEX OFFENDERS IN THE PHILIPPINES

    Foreign nationals who are registered sex offenders in other countries are not welcome to visit the Philippines.

    Bureau of Immigration (BI) Commissioner Siegfred B. Mison yesterday said any alien whose name is found in the registry of sex offenders as may be provided by a foreign embassy will be issued an order to leave.

    In an operations order to the Bureau personnel, Mison stated that foreign nationals who are registered sex offenders clearly pose a threat to public safety.

    Just recently, the Bureau deported American national Robert Snyder, 67, who was arrested in Dumaguete City, last May 17 by a joint team of BI agents and US law enforcers. Snyder had been a fugitive for ten years in connection with a sex assault case.

    Back in February, five (5) fugitives who were accused of rape and child molestation in their homeland were deported simultaneously by BI after their passports were revoked by authorities.

    The BI chief listed the guidelines to ensure speedy proceedings against foreign sex offender.

    Within 24 hours from receipt of the letter or records from authorized personnel of a foreign embassy stating that a certain foreign national is a registered sex offender, the office of the commissioner or other BI offices shall endorse the sex offender file to the BI’s Legal Division.

    Within 48 hours from receipt of the sex offender file, the legal division shall draft the order directing the inclusion of the foreign national’s name in the BI blacklist in case the registered sex offender has not arrived in the Philippines.

    Mison further added that in case the registered sex offender has already reached the country, the foreign national shall be ordered to leave within 15 days and his name shall be included in the BI blacklist.

    If the foreign registered sex offender holds a visa other than a temporary visitor visa (TVV), the legal division shall commence the forfeiture proceedings against the subject foreign national, he said.

    The visa forfeiture order shall include the order to leave with blacklisting.

    In case the alien registered sex offender failed to comply with the order to leave, the Legal Division shall commence deportation proceedings against him, according to Mison.

    The BI shall ensure that the relevant immigration information of the registered sex offender shall be attached to the travel records, alien registration records and derogatory records, and the same will be part of the sex offender file.

    • mari

      how was your trip to hongkong? did they allowed you to enter?

      • wonderin

        Please realize mari that even though you meet your bf your chances of him immigrating you to the USA are highly doubtful since they passed a law forbidding it in 2006.
        My best to you.

        • mari

          thank you.

          • Harry

            Mari, since you are a Filipino, the best way to help your bf is to write and/or personally contact you governmental official to educate and to change their policies.

            • mari

              well i cant blame them they are just doing their job to protect the children who can easily get away by dollars’ foreign national have. probably what you could do is talk to your government and state that not all sex offender are predators and high risk to society.

    • mari

      sorry i just want to know if rso are banned to enter in hk, my bf and i are planning to meet personally but im having hard time to look for a country that allowed rso. i am a filipina and unfortunately he could not enter in philippines .

      • mae

        Yes you can my husband is an RSO and hongkong has been our meeting place and actually got married there last 2013.But the real problem comes after and that is battling the immigration for the visa petition nonetheless hopefully it will work to you guys as well.God bless.

  29. j

    They were most likely paid to drink the kool aid and now they are spouting the lies anew.

  30. USA

    I have a question pls anyone..what if you are a RSO but you have a Philippine passport and you are also permanent resident are you allow to go home to the p.i or would they make you go back to the U.S. ..would they deny you entry of your own country?

    • Edward Jury

      You are a Philippine Passport holder. As a Phil. pp holder, you have the rights to enter the Philippines without restriction. Period.

  31. Tim

    I have been subjected to this on two occasions now. I first learned of what was really going on when I was denied entry and immidetly deported on a layover in Bangkok. Prior to this I suspected something was up when I was deregistering with my local police department in my hometown. Tgey said I was the first one that they had to file paperwork with the U.S. Marshals office. I was moving to Mexico. As I entered immigrations in Mexico oodles of oozie toting gustds escorted me to the ” El Capitans” office. I was interrogated for hours, but allowed in country. I had applied for my residency card and was denied siting the U.S Marshals direction.
    I then flew to Bangkok to meet my fiancée.
    Immigration met me as i got to the exit door if the plane. They took me to the bowels of the airport and was immediately deporting me( the carrier is required to take you back free of charge). Fortunately I had a visa for my fiancée country and they allowed me to fly there. I married, applied for her US immigration. I went back to the US esrly to set up house for us. Only to find out an SO can not sponsor the immigration of anyone. Now we are forever separated. I can’t get back into her country, she can’t get into mine.
    Some background on this law. Back during Janet Reno’s days as AG they tried to forbid an SO from ever getting a passport. She told congress that was against the constitution as a passport simply says you a citizen of that country. You would be denying their US citizenship. So in a workaround congress enacted this U.S. Marshal’s procedure. They send a twix to the receiving country telling them you are an SO and telling them to forbid entry. They have the clout because we give financial aid to ever country. Disobey them and they will pull the financial aid.
    The rules against SO will never stop. Soon we will have no place to be buried.
    And no, they get around expis fCto by saying these laws are not intended to punish the SO further but merely to protect other citizens. Sex sells and no legislature wants to mot climb on board. And the media can sell sex as the lead story every night.

    • Eric Knight

      “the carrier is required to take you back free of charge”

      From what I understand this is not the case for most airlines. In fact, they will charge you full fare and disallow any discount for any previously-purchased return trip airfare.

      • David

        Carriers should not have to pay for the return trip given that they are not the government denying entry. Naturally, the government is not going to do it either (neither the foreign gov’t or the U.S.).

        In practice, however, I have found many airlines to be fairly generous when exigent circumstances requires re-booking due to missed flights (my fault). Perhaps that would be so in case of being refused entry, I don’t know. Fortunately, I have never been refused entry except for China and, in that case, I was entering on the train from Hong Kong.

        • Eric Knight

          Tim was fortunate (relatively, of course) that he did not have to pay any fare, as most RC’s must pay full fare to return. In any case, any deposits made for hotels and other activities are usually forfeited.

          Frankly, I’m not sure what happens when the RC doesn’t have the funds to pay for it. In most cases family paid for it, I assume, but the return flight must be accounted for financially by some entity, and in most cases, the RC.

  32. Bill O'Brien

    Yes, it is sad. this is why hysterical housewives, should not make laws and politicians need rocky mountain oysters which work. We need a FAIR and REAL red, yellow green, blue, system, where people who qualify, by time and behavior are allowed to not register, such as green and blue, especially after 10 years, go to the lowest blue and after 5 years, of good behavior, green…It is costly to the taxpayers and a drain on the law enforcement system, but as long as SO are lumped into the same pot, as sex perverts, we have to live with it. Start petitions and get them signed

    • Margaret Moon

      I would add that we ALL need to show up, stand up, and speak up! Petitions don’t seem to accomplish a great deal at this juncture but I think a true show of power indicated by large numbers of registrants, families, and friends would make a difference.

      Hiding out at home gives all the power to those who do take action. The ones who get these horrendous laws passed…

      • Robert

        Sign a petition? I’m not sure what stand up in numbers looks like. Sooner than later, we need to sue in federal court, get court intervention, have some judges look at what is going on here. A small representative group of registered citizens and their families victimized by this very unconstitutional policy needs to get a federal court lawsuit going (however the means), specifically against DOJ DHS and DOJ Interpol.

        Although not tracked on this site, the lawsuits against DHS and FBI on the no fly list have made significant progress against the government in federal court in the past year. Just goggle “no fly list lawsuit” and read the recent news. The feds are now forced to make significant changes: http://www.inquisitr.com/2011408/lawsuit-forces-u-s-to-provide-info-to-americans-on-no-fly-list-aclu-not-satisfied/

        These alerts sent by US Homeland to foreign governments on US citizens violate due process, equal protection, ruin an individual’s reputation, sends false criminal information to foreign governments on registered citizens (i.e. that they are traveling with the intent to harm a child when they are actually traveling for an obvious purpose to visit family members, with family members, business) , mis-applies the jurisdiction of US child safety laws such as SORNA, mis-use of child safety laws to generate funding rather than purposes of actual child safety, etc, etc, etc.

        As an individual, you can fill out a civil rights complaint against DHS:
        http://www.dhs.gov/how-do-i/file-civil-rights-complaint

        The other option is to just wait until the programs fail on its own. With the US bureaucrats pumping the money into them at the current levels, it may take awhile.

        • Harry

          Can this civil rights complaint against DHS form be filed before we go to the Philippines? Our daughter is graduating from Doctor of Medicine in 2018, in the Philippines. My wife wants me to go with her, however, I will not be allowed in because this Green Notice thing. I would like to complaint about this.

          • Robert

            Harry, not sure that filing a complaint would secure your ability to travel in advance. As suggested by someone on the International Travel discussion board here, you might contact the US Marshall Service in advance to try to prevent the alert from being sent in the first place. I can’t think of any other preventive action to take.

            • Harry

              Robert, I went to USMS website and I did not see any form or any other contact vehicle for providing any communication to them. Unless, I write a snail mail letter to the Director’s Office. I guess, it is worth a try. I better start now, it may take while for them to respond.

  33. mari

    is registered sex offender allowed to go to hongkong? are there any issues when entering hongkong from us?

    • David

      That’s a good question and one that concerns me, as well. I haven’t tried to travel internationally since this regime was implemented several years ago. I have a need to go to Hong Kong but haven’t tried to return until this is clear to me.

      China has said it would bar sex offenders but Hong Kong, being an unusual and special case of being part of China but nominally substantially independent (but increasingly having its autonomy challenged by mainland China) is unknown to me.

  34. Greg

    I traveled to Cebu Philippines with my filipina wife and filipina sister in law august 2 , 2015 and was denied access since im an RSO. We had a layover in Narita Japan that turned into an overnight stay due to mechanical issues w our plane. I had no problem entering into japan. I wonder why, is the information only forwarded to the final destination?
    Im looking for anyway possible to fight this gestapo act of ex pacto pubishment. Ive had all my rights restored and completed all classes etc… Does anyone have anyyyy idea on how we should priceed as induvuduals or as a group??? We must fight!!!!!!
    Fyi:: an Rso that i met while in prison who has family in Costa Rica and has made numerous trips to CR wo incudent was denied entry August 23, 2015
    Pleaee leave some feedback and lets grow this group, stand up and fight!!! Personally, im sick and tired of being punised for life on a crime that happend 12 years ago

    • Harry

      Greg, here is a place to leave feedback and start the fight. This is the National RSOL and it looks like they are trying to do something about this situation. http://nationalrsol.org/blog/2015/08/24/international-travel/

    • The Anon

      The best way to fight this is to go here http://nationalrsol.org/blog/2015/08/24/international-travel/ and send an e-mail to Paul Rigney and detail what happened. Then, get involved in any legal action. I have a feeling that the lawsuits will come sooner rather than later.

    • jo

      The fact they let you into Japan shows that if the US does not know where you are going, then you can get into a country. Fly to a country that disregards the notices, then book your flight to the Philippines from that country.

    • David Kennerly

      That they let you into Japan probably meant that someone in Japanese immigration was asleep at the switch. There have been others whose final destination was also not Japan but who were refused entry as overnight guests.

      Both JAL & ANA have had business class deals where they put you up overnight (I’ve availed myself of them several times) at either the Narita Nikko or ANA Hotels, respectively before next day continuation flights. From memory, one American registrant was allowed in to Japan but only allowed to go to the Nikko (or ANA) Hotel, could not leave his room until his next day departure AND had to pay for armed custody staff to stand watch outside his hotel room to prevent his leaving!

      Japan has gone on record as saying that it won’t allow convicted criminals into Japan.

      So its position on this issue of sex offender travel is not in doubt.

      The first clue I had what was coming was when, three or four years ago, they suddenly started asking about criminal convictions on their Customs embarkation cards, the cards given to passengers on flights prior to landing in a country. At that time, I simply said “No” to the question and I managed to get in. Now, with the Interpol regime, they would know that I was lying.

      Syonara Japan! Another place I miss.

      • Timmr

        Well, another place in the world I will not likely see. I will tell my wife she will have to travel on her own if she wants to see the world, because we can’t afford to do a crap shoot, hoping some country will let us in or lose our money. Already, I am discouraged from traveling between states, seeing the notification and exclusion laws between the states. Freedom of speech is not the biggest thing being chilled for registrants. Freedom to have an identity other than a lifelong designated criminal is what is being chilled. We must find a way to fight this, if we are ever going to experience a somewhat normal existence before we die.

  35. Craig

    The inaction of the many did this, if the RSOs would just get up off their azz instead of waiting until something affects them personally we would not have all these issues. The few that fight for the many will not work anymore. get use to staying in America.

  36. michael

    I am a RSO. On 6/15 I traveled to Barcelona, Spain and was admitted without a problem. A day or two later two police officers came to my hotel and asked me a few questions. Such as what other countries I was visiting (France and Italy) and when I would be going back to the US.(there were no problems) I had a great trip and love Barcelona. On 8/15 i traveled to Ecuador and had no problems.
    On 9/18/15 I have planned a trip to Costa Rica. After reading the above, I am very concerned that I will not be allowed to enter their country………Has anyone traveled there recently and what was their experience ??? I’m getting mentally prepared that I might not be allowed to enter………..

    • George

      Hi Michael,

      Can you answer the following;

      Are you currently on the register?
      Did you inform the police of your travel plans?
      How did the Spanish police know where you were staying? Did you give this information up to law enforcement prior to travel?
      Did anything flag up when they processed your passport?

      Thank you.

      George.

  37. leisly

    just by curiosity, I did research my online’s Bf name in the internet and to my surprised I found out something about his past. I found out he is convicted as sex offender. Been dating for almost 2 years now and planning for our future. I ask him if he can visit me in philippines to meet me and my parents but he always says no, hes busy in the company etc..So I’m asking you guys is this the real reason why he cant come in my country coz of his sex offender case?He’s banned to enter my country?

    • Gerald

      Look for someone else. You have no future with this one.

      • leisly

        do u really think so? I mean if he’s RSO means he’s a bad guy?God I love him so much.truth

        • Joe

          Bad response by @Gerald just like that…. here is my take on it.

          Based on everything I have read he will be denied entry into the Philippines, and put on the next plane back to the States. Conversely, should this turn into a ‘real’ thing, he is excluded from sponsoring you for permanent residency status in the U.S., per the Adam Walsh Act (I remain befuddled as to why). Of course you can probably enter the US as a visitor to find out more.

          This pretty much rules out a ‘regular’ future in both your country and his. A third country option depends entirely on the country’s attitude toward US RSOs and its relationship with Interpol, as well, of course, your desire and ability to live there.

          Does being listed on the US RSO list equal being a bad guy? Absolutely not. There are great RSO guys as well as horrible RSO guys. Just like in regular life – there are princes and there are frogs. Being on this list may mean a guy is a sociopath or a great guy who made a poor decision one single time in his life, within the confines of a legal code that to the enlightened person is straight out of the middle ages. That is for you to find out. Not for some government list to tell you.

          Keep in mind that there is a lot of conduct that lands a person in the United States on this list (for life), that may be perfectly legal in your country (or many others).

          Best wishes to you and your bf.

          • leisly

            @Joe thank you for enlightening me and for clarifying things bout this kind of topic.I almost breakdown last night and about to give up on him but I know I have to give a chance for us, for him coz I love him enough to be with him and accept his past. Everybody deserves a second CHANCE coz we are not perfect.I’m not also in the position to confront him or judge him bout his past.
            Anyway he’s planning to get me to US next year and he’s planning to do the best he can for me to be with him soon. God bless Joe.Thanks again

        • Gerald

          To answer you leisly. I met my Asawa over the internet and visited her a month later. She was much more in person than I expected. I started her fiance visa as soon as I returned home.
          Before my second trip, I told her of my past and how bad our country had become and offered to support her while she found a man who could offer her a better life without the shame of public exposure. (she declined)
          I returned about 8 months later for our interview at the embassy and her medical in Manila and brought her home with me.

          Soon after she came to Calif they passed a law making my status even easier to find online but as far as I know none of her friends, neighbors or family have found out yet.
          Although it would be embarrassing for her if they discovered my past, I believe they would accept her decision to marry me and not hold it against her. Our main concern is our child who would suffer for the sins of the father.
          Regarding your online romance, your bf not being open and honest with you (for two years) along with the impossibility of immigrating you on any kind of visa is why I advise you to look elsewhere.
          If you refuse to believe me than ask him to detail his plans to marry you and bring you here. Join a group like I did of people trying to immigrate their spouse to America and ask questions.

          • @Khaye

            Hi all, my boyfriend had the same case like you. He traveled here in the Philippines last June 2013 but unfortunately, he was denied and sent back to US the next day. We were both depressed because we were just few meters but we didn’t see each other. WE haven’t seen each other yet, and we are now 3 years. He wanted to get me but we don’t know how. He told me about his case when the first time we met and i know that everybody deserves to have SECOND chance. But this INTERPOL, is trying to ruin every dreams of having a family. I understand that they’re trying to protect the people, but I hope they give chance to other who is truly changed. We wanted to try again for another trip within Asia, but we are afraid that it would happen again. If you can give suggestions on how to be with each other, please let me know. Thank you so much!!!

    • Harry

      Yes, Since 2012 registered sex offenders are not allowed to enter the Philippines.

  38. Tim E

    @leisly

    I feel your pain. I am an SO too. Although I prefer the term registered citizen. I have a friend in PH who I have loved. We had our problems, and that damaged our relationship. I have lost her as a girlfriend/fiance, we are still friends and we write. But she won’t be romantic anymore although I think she still loves me. She wants me to come there and meet her. But I can’t do that. So I don’t know if we have a future and it breaks my heart. And I told her my past at the beginning, she accepted me anyway.
    Look its going to be TOUGH for the two of you. For you to be relocated. For you to live here and experience a degree of what your love goes though as his wife. But that does not mean you have no future or it is impossible. But it will be Hard and Long Time. And maybe almost impossible for you to be together. It may take a miracle. Understand?
    I advise you confront him on his past, be gentle and tell him you will still love him. But you need this to be Out in the Open in your relationship, you need to cover this and move on otherwise you won’t have a future.
    He will be to afraid to commit for fear of judgment and rejection by you. You need to cross that to become closer or he will keep you at a distance, both litterly and in the relationship.
    I will say this my cousin who is NOT an SO has had problems sponcering his PH Wife for two years, so yeah it’s going to be a hard road for you. But if your love is true then GoodLuck.

  39. leisly

    @ Tim E

    Thank you for your honest opinion.
    I know it’s a tough battle between us and the law but I’m willing to give it a shot.How would I know where this relationship leads to if I will not have courage to fight hand in hand with him his battle, our battle.A battle to have a chance and right to move on and live a normal life, and be with the one he love and build a happy family together.
    I know I’m at risk here of facing consequences but I do want to apply this sayings from him “Face your fears and live your dreams”
    Now I’m readying myself to face that fear,fear of losing a chance of being with him forever if i will not do something about it and cooperate with his plans.

    Anyway I’m starting to do research online bout RSO’s thing for me to further understand my bf’s situation and for me to somehow help in anyway I can easiest way for us to meet in person somewhere.

    To all RSO’s out there be BRAVE and go on with your life no matter what. You deserve a CHANCE to LIVE HAPPILY.
    God bless!

  40. leisly

    @ Gerald

    I know he’s not open bout his past for some reasons known to you right? So i will wait for him to be ready to share it to me one of this days.
    Anyway, he has already plans to get me visa there and currently consulting a lawyer bout it.
    So I guess this is it, first step first!!!

    • td777

      I hope he’s able to go there to see you, but from everything I’ve read, they will not allow him to enter the country because you are not already married and you are not traveling with him. The best chance for the two of you is for you to be able to come here independently of him, meaning have another way to get here other than him trying to petition for you. From what I’ve read, registered citizens are not being allowed to petition for a fiancé to travel here from the Philippines.

      • Harry

        td777, you said “but from everything I’ve read, they will not allow him to enter the country because you are not already married and you are not traveling with him.” I have not read that the Philippines authorizes are allowing RC married to and traveling with Filipino spouses to enter the Philippines. Do you have any facts for this?

  41. Michael

    Just a quick follow up from my 9/15/15 post. I was denied entrance to Costa Rica last week. I
    also was denied into the Dominican Republic two years ago. Earlier this summer I was allow to enter Barcelona and Ecuador. It’s getting more and more difficult, beware as a RSO can lose lots of money on plane tickets and hotel reservations……….IT SUCKS

  42. michael

    As a follow up to my post from 9/15/15. I was denied entry to Costa Rica on 9/16/15. To answer George I am a RSO, the state of FL requires me to let them know when I am traveling. I have to list any countries I am visiting and where I am staying. About two years ago I was denied entry to the Dominican Republic and lost the plane fare for me and my girlfriend along with the money that I spent for one week at an all inclusive resort, total of about $3,000.00.
    This summer I was able to enter Barcelona and was only questioned by the police at my hotel room. Later this summer I visited Ecuador with no problems and now (last week) I was denied entry to Costa Rica. That plane ticket was about $350.00 and I was to stay at a friends house, so didn’t lose any hotel money…………It really sucks but this is the dire situation. And things are getting more and more difficult to travel internationally. There needs to be a tier system in place that only limits dangerous/ violent or repeat offenders….A person can commit murder, serve his sentence and then travel where ever he wants, and we can’t travel aboard……….It’s ridiculous

    • TiredOfHiding

      Indeed, well with all the traveling you do it seems (I am only assuming) that you have the resources and motivation to fight this. Not everyone has the money to gamble each time they attempt to visit foreign country where they may or in most cases may NOT be allowed in.

  43. C

    The noose is surely tightening folks, in a way not unlike the Nazi’s persecution of Jews wherein travel, among other things, was restricted.
    How ironic it would be if Germany is open to RSOs and provide a safe haven. Although the Syrian “migrants” might be poisoning that well.

  44. Mark Schroeder

    I have lived in Cebu Province for five years. 9 months ago, I left Cebu for the U.S. for health reasons and because my brother died. In the Cebu airport, Immigration told me that I cannot return to the Philippines. I have been married to a Filipina for 6 years and we have been raising her sister’s grandchild for the past 5 years. I am the only father she knows. I love my wife and my daughter and I want to go home. But I can’t.

    I hired a Philippine attorney but he is not familiar with Immigration issues. Immigration insists that I go through a Philippine attorney. So, I am looking for another attorney who is honest and not just trying to rip me off – preferably an immigration attorney in the Philippines.

    Does anyone have the name of a competent, honest, Philippine attorney, familiar with immigration issues and especially those issues relating to being removed from the Philippine Immigration blacklist because of being a sex offender?

    Please only respond if you have pertinent information of a question. Thank you.

    Mark

  45. Mikey Thompson

    I am not forced statutory rape in 1995 and married to Ph wife 2008 and we have a daughter age 3 now. Speak of database. I got turn around for Ph immigration last 2012. Look around Ph life. There are plenty to arrest for breaking Ph rule on their own people in Ph. They do not have database of whole Ph criminal people. No idea how many sex offender visiting USA with lousy Ph database while USA overboard share USA crimal people to the whole world. Who such being coward? Both USA and Ph. Ph need to work on their problem of their own people before welcome USA database. Also where is the warning label to warn all felony should not marry foreign! Who are to be blame leaving us out of it?

  46. Tim B

    Hello, I have a girlfriend from the Philippines and since i can’t petition for her to come here, and since i can’t go to Philippines as an RSO.How hard will it be for her to arrange to come to the USA so we can get married? Thank you

    • wonderin

      Visas to the USA from poor countries are extremely difficult unless you GF can show substantial financial security.

    • dechapmanan

      Allmost impossible the adam walsh act will prevent you from having a forging girl come to the US. I am married to a Woman in China spent till im broke flew there 9 times. It is a chicken ^*^* Law

      • Craig

        Sorry to hear that dechapmanan, were you ever refused entry? I hope it can work out ok for you so you can get back to your wife. Try to be brave, I know it hurts.

  47. Theresa Painter

    My husband is an Australian and has been blacklisted as a registered sex offender but he is not a registered sex offender nor has he ever been convicted of any crime except a traffic violation.We have been living in PI for 3 years already and he has been given permanent residency. We were shocked when we arrived on November 16, 2015 when we were told at the airport that he’s been blacklisted for that reason. I wasn’t given a copy of the document stating that he is blacklisted but in five minutes they were able to print out the order but when I wen to the immigration dept. in Intramuros, I cannot get any documents or supporting documents about his blacklisting and told I have to follow-up and wait 2 to 8 working days. That seem so unfair, how can I defend my husband’s innocence and being wrongfully accused if I can’t see the charges and the basis of the blacklisting? My husband doesn’t even have any pending case in PI or Australia. I am in a wheelchair and it’s not easy to get someone to drive me and chase papers and now we are apart and suffering from this. Documents should be readily available on request, they were able to get it in 5 minutes at the airport and a picture should be in the document in case it’s a mistaken identity or a stolen identity. I don’t have a lawyer yet and I don’t know what to do. Just crying all the time.

  48. Theresa Painter

    I’m sorry I’m making additional comments but I’m just so emotionally affected by the situation. I searched my husband’s name online and found no results of any conviction on record that he is a registered sex offender in Australia. when we left February of 2015, we old our house there and sent all our stuff to the PI, we’ve decided to settle down in the country and when he was deported, the shirt that he wore was the only shirt he has and he now has to live in a motel because we don’t have a house there anymore. My husband is 72 years old already and always tearful when we chat online because of what’s been done to him, he is traumatized. I wish that before foreigners get deported, it is made sure it’s the right person that’s being accused and deported and that the database where the info came from is correct and true. The issuance of the blacklisting only came out April of 2015, we have been living in PI for 3 years already before that, I have document that says he is not on a blacklist, watch list or has any derogatory remark on record from the NBI in 2012. So what put him on the blacklist suddenly? when was his supposed crime committed and where?I wish someone could just help me. I am a PWD and mu husband is my carer and he looks after me so well. I miss him so much and we want to be together.

    • Robert

      Theresa, Sorry to hear what has happened to you, your husband and your families. Currently, the BI Commissioner does not have the authority to lift a blacklist order for these sex offender blacklisting cases. You must go to DOJ in Manila and file a letter and motion to lift your husband’s blacklist order against his name. Only the DOJ Secretary has the authority to lift this order. Your letter and motion to lift his name should include these hardships that you and him are having and the past as you described here. You do not need a lawyer for this, in fact, it is more than likely that retaining a lawyer for this will not give you any results, only more grief. As you may know, the Secretary of DOJ is brand new and his policy of these cases is not known yet. The derogatory section of the Manila BI office will provide you with the actual blacklist order and the details of your husband’s alleged charge or conviction. This is likely the result of your husband’s government sending an alert on him via Interpol. There will be an Interpol reference case number on the blacklist order or the source of the alert. Best to you in trying to get this resolved.

      • Harry

        Robert, the one thing I would like to add, that the Filipino spouses and family member that live there, need organized efforts to influence their Government leaders. As rule, Filipino’s are compassionate and understanding people and if the facts about RC presented to that level may result in, at least, spousal/family waivers. Those of us out the Country can not do nothing. CA RSOL can provide factual information and know how, to the Filipino effected citizens, that could go long way.

  49. mae

    hi to everyone on this site,i am totally very emotional reading the hardships and longings of everyone who are facing immigration problems with RSO as i can relate very much and i can feel your pain guys.My husband is an american and was a registered sex offender and today his name should be cleared from the registry as he had done the 15 years and as he was told as well by the authorities.we are 2 years and 3 months married already in God’s grace,and yes things are never easy for us but it is all worth it for we love each other more than life.My husband is a very honest person he never denied anything from his past he told me about his sex offence from 18 years ago.I was saddened of that truth and was giving up on him but i didn’t even many people around have told me to look for someone else for im still very young and i could still find someone better but for me there is no one better than a man who had had been living a decent life no matter how the society have treated him like a trash because of committing once a sex offense.

    He shown me how remorseful he is of what he had done in his past and i’ve seen how his doing a decent life after being freed from prison.My husband is simply the best man i ever met so even he told me at first that if i will accept him things will not be easy for us but we just love each other very much that we are willing to do everything to be together no matter how long it would take.After his being denied entry here in the Philippines and after i was denied a tourist visa to america we still didnt give up and still hold on our faith that we are going to be together one way or another. And yes i believe that God made a way for us to see each other back in September 2013 we finally met in Hongkong and actually got married there.We are very thankful for that moment it felt such a sweet victory to be seeing him for the first time after almost 2 years of fighting the odds to see each other.

    And right now it is still a one tough journey for us.The long waiting is very difficult.I lost our supposedly first child because of these things in the immigration that are just plain stressful.And its so hard to see my husband just for 2 weeks in a year.And how much we have to spend in hongkong just to be together i feel so pity for my husband.His not a rich man but a very hardworking man.But financially it is a burden for us to travel to hk every year for it is expensive in there But being in each others arms makes it all worth it he would say.We are cirrently preparing for our documents to be filed for him to win a waiver in God’s grace to he can file me a spousal visa.

    And we are praying that hopefully having him off from the registry from this very day would be helpful as we petition him again to be lift from the blacklist amd in God’s grace can come back here again.I just want to tell everybody that we are facing a very hard battle indeed but you know when you find that kind of love that is worth giving your life for, you cannot just quit and give up.For the more you have to be strong and pray harder.

    This people that they called RSO indeed committed a sin but as the day they regretted it and ask forgiveness from the one who owns our life just who are we not to give second chance to these people.My husband being called RSO is the safest person and the most kind hearted person i ever met he is simply wonderful and i am very proud that he is my husband.We always pray together everyday that In God’s grace hopefully soon we will be together already. And everyone lets keep each other in our prayers.Lets keep the good fight of faith Guys! It will be all worth it! And by the way please help us if you ever know a good lawyer here in Cebu as we will try to petition him again as he is off from the registry already and so he can come here already In God’s grace.

    God bless us all!

    • Tim E

      @mae
      Thanks for sharing such an heartful story. I wish you the best of luck with your husband.

      But a thought.
      Have you discussed with your husband about just moving to Hong Kong? I mean if you can plan a way to make it happen, then you can be together, aways.
      I say this because I am writing Philippines women and looking for a wife too, and am worried about the hardships we would face.

      • mae

        @Tim E

        We actually have discussed about migrating in hongkong already as it is at the moment the most possible and quick solution to our problem.And we went through things that we should know about living in there and with the informations we gathered from my relative and her husband who is a british lawyer and university professor in there and are permanent resident in there already,it seemed to us that financially it is not easy for the cost of living there is very high.And it hurts me badly to think that my husband have to leave and give up everything that he worked hard all his life just for me,and will have to start all over again which would sound very selfish for me,i love him very much and i dont want him to struggle in life for my sake.He have been very hardworking all his life and is living comfortable enough in america and he deserved it very much.So at the moment migrating to hongkong will be our last option and we will still push on our visa petition first and our petition to get his name lifted from the blacklist.We are married couple and as God have said Let no one separate what the Lord has joined together. Nothing is impossible to God and i have faith that he will make miracles for each of us here.And hopefully you will find your one true love as well that would have an open mind and will be strong enough to face this battle with you.

  50. Gene

    I am also heart broken about the travel difficulties for SO.. My crime was a touching crime and was over 20 years ago.. Enough is enough.
    I spoke to a TV news reporter here in Columbus, Ohio about doing a story on the 98% of SO that do not repeat their crimes… I was told ” its taboo for a news agency to do a positive story on SO.. That the only stories that they are willing to do are the ones that point out negative and shocking sexual offence”. Go figure…

    • Harry

      I know this as a fact. Several years ago, a elderly woman had her purse snatched by a teenager. I caught the punk, before got into a car and he drop the purse. I was able to ID him and the vehicle. The CHP apprehended him and girl friend, about 1/2 hour later and the PD took me to the apprehension site and I ID him. However, the local newspaper gave the credit of all this to a school teacher, whom I knew, who was some 300 feet away and the only he did is called 911. The school teacher, told me that he complain to the newspaper and the editor said “We could not name ‘Harry” because he is a sex offender”.

  51. Billy

    Hello, my name is Billy and i ive in the state of Oregon. I have made a trip to the philippines back in 2013, With no problems, had a fun time with friends there. I have booked a trip to go back in may of 2016. I allways check to see what i need to do as a RSO, to be law abiding, now i see i might not be allowed in the country. Im not on probation or parole of any kind, I have a pass port issued from 2012. Is it true they will not allow me in the country when i get there, do i now need to save extra money to pay for another ticket to get back if they dont let me in..Its been about 15 years ago since i was in trouble. I work and i obey the laws. What shoud i do?, how do i find out what to do?

  52. Filipina

    This is so depressing. My boyfriend is a registered SO. We are in a relationship for 2 years. He visited Ph last Decemver 2014. And would like to come back asap but now we are afraid for him to travel. Been doing research about this. I wanna see him soon. I dont know if this will help, got this website while im doing research. https://www.gofundme.com/q35eft3e. One group would like to help RSO from being denied to travel..

    • Harry

      Filipina: There are two routes than can be taken. 1) Challenge the Laws and action here in the US, however, at it best it will take a very long time. 2) Challenge the entry restriction of the Filipino Government, and it needs to be done by Filipino citizens, in the Philippines, which, could be quicker and it will fix the problem of RC entering the Philippines. Filipina spouses and gf/bf need to get organize and take appropriate actions.

  53. Filipina

    I will do more research about this then. Right now we are planning to meet in Hongkong asap. Then I will also try to apply for tourist visa in USA. Whatever it takes to be together, I will definitely give it a shot. It breaks my hurt when I hear him cry on the phone because of his situation.. I guess this is just a test for us. I love him with all my heart. RSO are not a lifetime SO. I wonder why US keeps on passing law about human rights but there is a group of people they punish their whole lives. They are unfair. So unfair.

    • patience

      I feel your pain. My family is in Thailand. I have job opportunities, locals that will vouch for my character even knowing my offense.Since Internet viewing is next to impossible there. I hope for the future. The world is real outside of the U.S., we just need to get to it.

  54. Richard

    I have a question is there a number to call to find out if your black listed,because I talked to phillipines consulate about my situation and was told that some rso are not even blacklisted,it was better to check there first.to see if your name is there.27 years since charge of second degree of my girlfriend Wichita was 29 at the time
    Have had issues with with alcohol back then ,but soon will be celebrating 18 years of sobriety.met filipino women and can’t believe how much love these beautiful women have in there hearts Godbless to all.

    • TiredOfHiding

      They told you correctly because a blacklist would need constant updating as person are added (or removed however unlikely). No, they will know you are coming as the USA will inform them via an Interpol “Green Notice” and they will be waiting for you at the plane gate as you exit the plan.

      You will be informed that you are being returned to the USA. You will be put on the same plan or the next one to return to the USA. The reason you found yourself in this situation doesn’t matter. Congratulations on your sobriety but it is irrelevant to the authorities. I am sorry.

  55. Richard

    I have another question to everyone.does Adam Walsh act law affect all cases or only child offenders
    I am not being judgemental only want facts thanks again

    • Rob

      Richard do you have to registerer as a sex offender? If your answer is yes then the Adam Walsh act applies to you. You will not get a straight answer from any authority if your blacklisted. Here is the thing, the U.S is sending out green notices to countries ahead of time for any sex offender traveling there. It doesn’t matter if they say it is for child related offenses. In there eyes every sex offender is the same and is lumped in with the same notice, they do not differentiate between crimes that have have forced people to register. I wouldn’t travel to the Philippines if i was you, unless you have money to spare. I would wait to see how the law plays out and the lawsuit. If you do have extra money i suggest you donate to the site or RSOL to help fund the defense of H.R 515.

  56. Kevin Lutz

    I have traveled to the Philippines twice. And have lots of close friends I consider family there. However I am a registered sex offender now in Texas (thought I was in a legal relationship, but girl lied about being of age with a fake ID is the reason for conviction). I had plans to emigrate there to begin building business’s and typhoon/earthquake resistant housing around 2017/2018. And to find a wife with “old fashioned values” (loved the fact divorce is outlawed in the PH, and women there understand marriage is for life) But until I can get there and not be persecuted for something I have already served my time for, I will not invest in the country. I planned to emigrate to get away from US style “witch hunts” and had hoped get a fresh start in a place I could actually help people. Now the US has corrupted most of the pacific with it’s laws that only fill up prisons with innocent people (I know, I was one of them).
    I’m very disappointed that the Philippines are followers of the US instead of being smart enough to keep their own culture and values to make decisions for themselves. Philippine customs and values drew me there, but their new “laws” make me aghast!

  57. Dale

    I too just returned from the Philippines so that I could petition my girlfriend and meet her parents. However upon arrival and showing them my passport, I was detained by security, never told anything or allowed to contact the U.S. embassy. They took my passport and all my boarding passes and an airlines agent took me to a room where i spent the night at the airport and the next day was escorted back on a plane to come back home. When I got to Japan they were notified and I got the same treatment there. Escorted back on a plane to return home. Passport and boarding passes were held by an airlines agent. Once I got home again I was detained by security they went thru all my luggage and checked my phone and ipad just looking at pictures. They held me long enough till they could check and see if I had any warrants. Had none, went on my way home. In all it was a very costly and heart breaking trip not being able to see the people i went to visit. Had I known before hand i could have saved thousands of dollars.

    • PK

      Sorry about your horrible experience, and finding out about the Philippines the hard way.

      I’ve been reading posts on here with similar experiences like this about the Philippines for a few months.

      I’m a little curious about how Japan was notified, and who sent them an alert.

      Had you known before you could have possibly found another way to get there.

      At least they didn’t take your passport when you got back.

      You may want to contact Paul of RTAG.

  58. James

    have any Canadians been denied access to PH?, i was able to travel there without any problems in Nov 2014 and am planning a trip back this year.

    • PK

      Why would Canadians be denied entry? It’s the US that’s sending out alerts, so if your a RSO in the US then you would have problems. I’m guessing you are lucky and don’t live in the US?

  59. Richard

    I am rso and committed second degree back in 1990, adult related.had no issues entering phillipines.there or on the way back,only at jfk in New yirk was I asked to sit in room a man looked at my passport and stamped it and said sir have a nice day.I am now engaged to my filipino love.also before I left I contacted rso agency to report my travel and he said he had talked to us martial service about me traveling and was told they font send alerts out.so I am glad I took the risk because I would have never seen my love if I listened to this b.s.

    • PK

      You said you “committed second degree” could you elaborate what you mean? Also you didn’t mention when you traveled, as you should be aware that the “Notice System” is evolving, and by no means should you feel safe to travel to the Philippines forever.

    • David H

      I’d be very interested in learning as much as I can about this subject too, as I have a Filipino fiance whom I’m envisioning never being able to see nor bring here; god I’ve invested so much too not just my heart but financially too–she and her family couldn’t subsist without my monthly financial support, and I did pay for her annulment plus here daughter’s final year in college.

      To just have to walk away from this now would be devastating

  60. Richard

    If you read h.r.515 it specifically states that this bill was intended for child offenders not adult ,all notifications are based off Adam Walsh act,Meagan law,etc.I have read bill from start to finish.All terms and definitions refer to convicted child offenders.my conviction was second degree of an adult.over 18 years.I just traveled to phillipines February 9th – 16th 2016.with no issues.I also contacted registry in my state and they Also I should have no issues.read H.r.515 for yourself.

    • David H

      congradulations!

    • PK

      Thanks for the clarification. You are lucky, go you! I’ve already read HR 515, thanks.

    • noname

      What if you had NO victim such as an internet sting???

    • JohnDoeUtah

      I think you should re-read it. It applies to all sex offenders, except for the Passport requirement.

      https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/515/text

      Sec.4(e) does not limit it to child sex offenders. Also, Sec.4(f) defines “covered sex offender” in Sec.4 as: “(f) Definition.—In this section, the term “sex offender” means—

      (1) a covered sex offender; or

      (2) an individual required to register under the sex offender registration program of any jurisdiction or included in the National Sex Offender Registry, on the basis of an offense against a minor.”

      So, under (2), it applies to every sex offender required to register, not just covered sex offenders.

    • JohnDoeUtah

      Sorry it was Sec.5, that’s the one that applies to all sex offender, whether against a child or adult.

  61. james.

    I don’t have to register in CA anymore. So, I’m not on any registry due to something being overturned and my crime was not hands-on and I’m deemed a low risk of recidivism. Recently went to Hong Kong with no issue and want to go to PI someday to visit my wife’s family. Does PI immigration have access to my legal history even if I’m not in a registry?
    How do I find out without raising any red flags and getting blackballed before even making an attempt?

    • David H

      James good to hear your story; While I’m not an expert by any means, my understanding is that even though now you may not be in the Calif. database I believe you still are in the feds via SORNA, and it is SORNA that is doing the International notification via the US Marshal’s.

      I’ve been curious about Hong Kong too as that is a China administration; i hate to say but I think Philippines would be pushing it, as they are kissing the earth the US walks on because they need our help over the So. China sea stuff. So they are doing anything we say!

      I am in a bind myself, as I must travel to meet my fiance to petition her here, another major mess and I’m wondering where we can meet; Hong Kong would be great! I’d like to hear of anything more you learn if you would!

    • Harry

      James, I believe I read some where in a PI, official communique, states “If, traveler can prove that they are not on the registry, they will be allowed in”.

      • Harry

        P.S. for above: Here is the communique that I read…
        “Meanwhile, Atty. Elaine Tan, BI spokesperson, explained that foreigners will be allowed in the country if they present necessary papers that will prove that they are not the ones in the list. (I assuming this mean’s the SOR).
        “I think they can present necessary papers…police clearance, denial from them, like for example they have the same name. They just present proof and documents,” she said.
        She added, “If they can prove that they have not been involved in such case, they can bring it up and addressed it to the commissioner. But there are divisions that handle such cases, usually in our legal division which handles deportations.”
        SUNDAY, MARCH 06, 2016 Philippines News Agency

      • David H

        how do you prove you’re not on something???

  62. anonymously

    “…(2) an individual required to register under the sex offender registration program of any jurisdiction or included in the National Sex Offender Registry, on the basis of an offense against a minor.””

    As we now know, Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor likes to only apply the condition ‘on the basis of an offense against a minor’ to only the last item in the list separated by commas making for a larger set of people to be included in this madness.

    • JohnDoeUtah

      See Sec.5 of IML, that Section talks about Notifications by the US Marshall, and it applies to all sex offenders. That section only requires that you be required to register and the Marshall will send notification, instead of the Angel Watch Center. It is not limited to those with offenses against children.

      • David H

        ensure that the destination country is consistently notified in advance about sex offenders under SORNA identified through their inclusion in sex offender registries of jurisdictions or the National Sex Offender Registry.

  63. Mason

    born in the Philippines and a full blooded Filipino , would I be denied to go back to my home if I got convicted of sexual battery but still had to register . Though I’m only registered for 5 years and I’m not on the website will I be able to go home ? I’m leaving this month , need answers please …
    I’m a Filipino citizen and an American citizen. My crime wasn’t child related either (no judgment , just stating my ordeal)

    • PK

      I don’t think anyone could tell you for sure. You wont know until you try.

    • David H

      If you’re a citizen of the Philippines you can return; just make sure you can prove that if you’re flying on a US passport

      • Mason

        How certain are you ? It does say foreign national right ? Meaning that if you’re a foreigner to the Philippines?

        • David H

          I dont understand you–do you have a Philippine passport?? if yes then use it no one can track you; if no then you must prove you’re a citizen upon landing in the Philippines or they’ll send you back via Angle Watch!

          • Mason

            Yes I do , but when I purchased the ticket I used my US passport … And I have to go register out with the police five days before I go … So all I have to show is proof ? Meaning my birth certificate and Philippine passport ? This is so confusing … Oh and my ticket is round trip

          • Harry

            An old Filipino passport will work.

            • Mason

              How do you know ? What’s your experience on this if I may ask ?

              • David H

                ??? maybe he doesn’t have experience with this; and he’s just applying as I did the knowledge we’re learning right here and using common sense–even though we’re up against anything, but!!

                If you want certainty then contact the Phil. embassy here

              • Harry

                Mason, I am assuming you are referring to my recent post. My wife is a Filippo and is a US Citizen. Filipino law allows any former citizen to return to PI, at anytime and even with a long time absents and the only thing they need is a birth certificate or expired PI Passport. You can confirm this information by going to PI immigration website.

  64. bob

    i am wanting to travel to the Phillipines to visit my fiance. My conviction was against a minor child in 1995. I have not been an RSO for about ten years. Does anyone know if I will be allowed to enter PI? If no one here knows do you think it would be possible to retain a lawyer in the PI to find out for me if I would be allowed to enter? If so what type of lawyer should I look for, immigration, criminal etc…? I contacted a few lawyers in the US but they would only answer that they don’t practice law in PI.

    • David H

      bob I have the same situation as you: I have a fiance in the Philippines. I’ve been providing most of her support, plus I have the final payment for her annulment coming due.

      Before I heard about this IML about two months ago–I was always planning on going there to get our two year meet current for immigration purposes; but now i can see that none of this will matter–the US wont even allow her to come here to marry you on a fiance visa!

      You will need to contact an attorney probably best a phil one–I believe there may be a waiver process. I have a list of a few an immigration atty here provided to me. Please dont let me forget, I will have to dig through email to find it.

      Let’s also please keep one another updated with anything we may learn; this whole affair has just ruined my end of life goals: I’m stable now living with 290; I’m retired and just wanted to spend the remainder of my days at peace with the one I love… they’re taking that away from me now!!!

  65. bob

    Thanks for the response David. What do you mean by living with 290? I’m not retired but have a very good job. Now that I’m divorced I don’t have anyone that takes my money and I’m willing to pay lawyers to help me get the one I truly love to the USA. I’m very concerned after seeing the IML that it might keep me from visiting her. As I understand it the Adam Walsh Act is what would prevent me or at the very least make it extremely difficult for me to sponsor her as a fiance via a K1 visa. After reading about this I think it may be somewhat easier for us to marry in the PI and then work on getting her green card. It seems as though there may be less hoops to jump through by going that route.

    I’d love to get lawyer contacts from you if you have any. Where did the list come from? I can find lawyers in PI on internet but of course I want them to be good and most important reputable. I’m a bit confused about the IML definition. I wonder if it only applies to RSO or all persons with a sex offender conviction? I do think there is a waiver that can be had from the PI government so a PI lawyer seems essential. If emails are allowed here mine is rbrandall@gmail.com, I would be glad to share with you anything I can learn. I have told my fiance about my crime and she wants to stay with me. She does have a 9 yo daughter so that will complicate matters I’m sure. Tomorrow I was going to try and contact some lawyers in PI via the internet by just doing searches, I have no way of really knowing at this point how to find reputable lawyers in PI that maybe have experience in helping persons like myself.

    • David H

      Hold on Bob I’ll send you the attorneys tomorrow morning. i got the emails via an immigration attorney here. I’ll also send you that info he specializes in AWA issues. If you dont know what 290 is then you’re not from California 290 is our penal code for registration. you may have some luck not having to register, but just a guess as AWA i think the high end is 27 years.

      I currently do have an attorney in the Phil and he’s quit good! However, I’m not going to involve him in this stuff–he’s handling her annulment. marry here or marry there you need to meet her during the past two years if you want to bring her here unless she qualifies for an H1-B visa to work here.

      What State you live in if you dont mind my asking?

      Ok I’ll be in touch: webstuff56@yahoo.com

    • rick

      Bob i would the lawyer info also i’m planing a trip there in june/july time frame hopefully to get married i have emailed philippines embassy in washington dc stating in an sor and asking what i need to do for a visa or if they are just going to deny it and i’m going through health issuses and my charges or internet base with minors what i have read i guess im screwed unless we meet somewhere else or she comes her to visit her family in the states and we get married at that time and apply for green cards.
      thank you for you time
      email is hairyjeep66@yahoo.com

      • abolishtheregistry.com

        Aren’t they blocking entry to spouses of rso’s?

        You might want to talk to her “incognito” and tell her to just come here for family, start her citizenship papers and then after she becomes a citizen, get married.

  66. Michael

    Hi..And thanks for hearing my plea for help..I’m in Nh and they run the tier system..I’m Registered tier 3… Plead out in 1998 had a child with her..plead out to a 1to 3 and wasn’t required to do a sex offender program after physce eval and many lie detectors..was told I would have to register 1 time a year for 10 years.didn’t rape anyone ..but bad choice.at 22years old..I’m now 44 having o register every12 weeks and told in 2002 it will be for life.. I did my time.. God fearing man and great father to my son from this.denying this would be denying My only son…My baby mamma or the one they call victim doesn’t even agree with me going through this still…long story short.. I met my everything and been with her going on 2 years she’s living in Japan but from the Philippines and she’s been denied coming to US and has no criminal history and money in the bank.. I’m so crushed a after reading the stories here that I now have no clue how to start my life that I was so in need of and looking fwd to.Please help. 🙁

    • David H

      Michael,

      contact me at the email right above you we’re not sitting still hoping and waiting on the courts.

  67. Erwin

    The Philippines is a joke. They never changed the legal age of consent which is 12 in that country. So they try and put the blame on International sex tourists when in reality, locals and family members are the ones molesting children….and it’s legal

    • kelnothiding

      I think that our AMC news so called investigative reporting started all that crap , it even showed all this stuff they were trying to do to help them poor kids , but it was mostly grand standing , all the other kids that were there, the powers that be like there own law inforcement knew were the all the kids were and they did Not go close the whole dang place down , none of them people cared , just a few that were trying to open doors for a few of those kids , sad but I seen that hog wash story a few times ,but most of that was just grand standing , big time press doing selfies ,

  68. vhaning

    just curios, would it be possible the person be hold on immigration if he has a case 10 years ago, without the closure since then from the court? and is their any empowerment that immigration can hold the person? and would it be possible that his case be forwarded to immigration from the court?

  69. greg

    THe following is and exerpt from the Philippines Bureau of Immigration… of paticular interest to me, is the A.B.C.D. listing. Does anyone beside my self think that this means if you fall into one of these catorgories; you, after filing for exclusion, stand a chance of going to the Philippines??????
    Ive been to the Philippines before with no problems… I have been an SOR since 2004… however, my last trip to the Phils in August of 2015 I was stopped at immigration and returned to Japan the following morning….

    PRESS RELEASE
    25 JUNE 2015

    BI ISSUES RULES ON PROCESSING OF RECALL OF EXCLUSION AND VISA WAIVER REQUESTS

    MANILA, Philippines – The Bureau of Immigration (BI) has issued its rules on processing of requests on recall of exclusion and visa waiver last June 10, Wednesday.

    This is a follow through on the correspondence by Foreign Affairs Assistant Secretary Wilfredo C. Santos informing that the Department of Foreign Affairs’ visa section will no longer accept visa waiver requests and thus, recommended that lodging of such requests be directed to BI.

    “This new operations order intends to expedite all visa waiver and recall of exclusion processes,” said BI spokesperson Elaine Tan.

    Under Operations Order No. SBM-2015-016, otherwise known as “Processing of Requests for Recall Exclusion of and/or Visa Waiver for Excluded Aliens”, all excluded foreign nationals desiring to be permitted to enter the Philippines shall submit the following documents to the Central Receiving Unit of the BI Main Office within 12 hours from receipt of the Exclusion Order:

    1. Letter request from the excluded alien and/or authorized representative, indicating name, birth date, passport details, flight/voyage number’ addressing the reason for exclusion and purpose of entry in the country;
    2. Photocopy of passport bio-page and Exclusion Order served. Photocopy of the Exclusion Order may be dispensed with for emergent reasons such a medical emergency, which must be indicated in the request; and
    3. Such other supporting documents as may be indicated in the request.

    Meanwhile, requests for visa waivers shall also be lodged before the BI together with the request for the recall of exclusion.

    Visa waivers may be issued to foreign nationals who have been excluded for failure to present an entry visa to the Philippines, based on the following considerations:

    a. Visa-required minors or infants accompanied by or returning to a Filipino parent;
    b. Visa-recruited foreign nationals related by blood or affinity to a Philippine citizen;
    c. Visa-required foreign nationals married to a Philippine citizen and qualified dependents below 18 years of age; and
    d. Other meritorious cases as may be considered.

    The following fees shall be paid upon approval of the request:

    a. For Recall of Exclusion:
    Application Fee – Php 2,000.00
    Waiver of Exclusion Ground Fee – Php 1,000.00
    Service Fee – Php 500.00
    Legal Research Fee – Php 30.00
    Express Lane Fee – Php 500.00

    b. For Visa Waiver:
    Visa Application Fee – Current USD 100.00 equivalent rate
    Legal Research Fee – Php 30.00
    Express Lane Fee – Php 500.00

    The Rules took effect last June 19, Friday.

  70. Concerned Registrant

    Sorry Greg, but I don’t think this helps us one bit. This seems to be for people who arrive in the Philippines without having a visa to enter. Let’s say a person comes from Cambodia and doesn’t have a visa or maybe even a return ticket. That person might receive an immediate “exclusion”, and be taken into custody until they are sent back. But now that person can jump through the hoops with the BI to apply for a visa waiver and the removal of the Exclusion. In any case, this has to be done within 12 hours of the Exclusion being issued. So you and I may both be out of luck, because our exclusions are more than 12 hours old and are now permanently in the system. I suppose a registrant could buy a ticket to the Philippines and try to test this, but you would have to have an attorney already waiting for your arrival to file the paperwork on your behalf at BI, and you would have to be willing to sit in custody until you get an answer. The order also does not say that you will be given an exclusion; it just assures that you will be heard (and rejected) sooner. This does not change the fact that persons guilty of a crime of “moral turpitude” shall not be allowed into the Republic of the Philippines.

    • Harry

      It could be scheme to get RC’s money and still say NO. like Canada.

      • David H

        i send monthly more than 5 times the amount they ask in support of my extended family there. This is not a profiteering function, it appears legit and recognizes that there are so many cases of this nature– unlike the US they are simply developing a process and clarifying it!

    • Doc Martin

      “This does not change the fact that persons guilty of a crime of “moral turpitude” shall not be allowed into the Republic of the Philippines”

      “Moral turpitude” as in a moral turpitude offense outside of the Philippines. Because many of these same offenses are perfectly legal in the Philippines including sex with family members as young as 12

  71. John

    I flew 19 family and friends to Acapulco Mexico on June 17th, to get married to my beautiful best friend of 5 years who is a Filipina, we have 2 babies. When i got to Mexico city they refused me entry and treated me like a criminal and put me in a holding room for 12 hours then flew me back to Orlando, they wouldn’t let me see or speak to my family.
    I was out $15,000 and my wonderful wife missed out on her incredible day. I plead out as a RSO in 2004. only did probation, no victim nor children involved.
    They need to reclassify RSO instead of making every think we are all monsters.
    She wants us to go to the Philippians next year for a big wedding, not sure if this is going to work. Our families are the ones suffering..

    • PK

      John you indicated that you are an American Citizen married to a Mexican National and they refused your entry into Mexico City?

      I am in a similar situation and I am also married to a Mexican National. I have already hired a Mexican Attorney and we will be filing a case this Fall in Mexico.

      Secondly, you said that your crime did not involve children.

      International Megan’s Law and Angel Watch, are required to send out Advance Notification of Intended Travel of Any Sex Offender for which their offense involved a child, being under the age of 18. They’re not supposed to send out Notifications if your case did not involve a child.

      I would definitely recommend that you reach out to Janice about your case.

      • Mike

        PK are you involved at all with the RTAG group? We are looking for a solid attorney in Mexico. Can you contact Paul at http://registranttag.org/
        Maybe we can all help each other.

        • PK

          Mike I think you mentioned some incident you had as well in Mexico?

          I had reached out to you to your previous post months ago. If there is a way for you to contact this Admin, perhaps we could exchange emails?

          I’m involved with RTAG, in so far as I have spoken with Paul and given some suggestions regarding his new website. However, this Attorney has already told me that he isn’t interested in receiving tons of solicitations from RSO’s. In other words, he doesn’t want his name published. If there is someone with a legitimate need in Mexico, I would have to convey this to him, and see what he says. I felt that the way that John’s issue was written was almost identical to my issue, so I brought it to John’s attention.

      • 4sensiblepolicies

        PK,
        The new status quo is unacceptable. I am engaged to a Mexican national (U.S. resident). We need to be able to travel together to Mexico for family occasions and to strengthen family unity. This isn’t about catching some rays on the beach, but about very basic human rights in regards to family.

        I now believe it is futile to attack it from the u.s. side since all branches of government have gone non compos mentis in regards to this matter and it is not expected the affected individuals will act logically or legally. We don’t have 40 years for this to finally be recognized as unconstitutional by some as yet unborn judge.

        Our dismay with the U.S. government cannot be overstated. We are not yet ready to place any culpability on Mexico as they cannot be blamed for wanting to keep out people who are falsely reported to be high risk. We are hopeful that enlightening Mexico of the details of this deception on part of the u.s. government will bring relief to those of us in this untenable situation.

        Please let us know what the plan is for litigation on the Mexican side. My fiancee may have standing to get involved. Not sure if more litigants would be helpful, or if your case would impact our situation. Thank you for your efforts and please advise if there is anything we can do to help.

        • Mike

          4sensiblepolicies
          Contact the Registrants Travel Action Group. That group is trying to come together to work in concert to change things to facilitate travel to Mexico. This may mean legal action in Mexico or legislative action in Mexico or a combination of both.
          http://registranttag.org/

        • PK

          “I am engaged to a Mexican national”

          You need to be married with her in Mexico.

          The good news is, you don’t even need a Tourist Visa Card to do it. What you do need is an address with verifiable utility bills for the past 2 months, for the both of you indicating you reside IN Mexico City. If you all live together in Mexico City then you only need the one address.

          • 4sensiblepolicies

            Hi PK,
            Thank you for the information. We planned to be married in u.s.. Do you have an idea if Mexico will recognize the marriage and then let me in? Getting married in Mexico is fine with us too, but they are not going to let me in to let that happen. Her family is in Mexico City and I don’t really have the wherewithal to attempt the land route. For sure, it sounds like flying is out of the question due to the gestapo agents.

    • Janice Bellucci

      We are very sorry that you were prevented from entering Mexico, John, especially on the important date of your wedding. I hope that those reading this story will learn that Mexico is off limits for registered citizens. Don’t waste your time or money trying to fly there from the U.S. as all international flight manifests are being checked by the federal government. The federal government then sends notices to the country where you intend to travel. It is up to that country to decide whether or not to allow you to enter. At this time, Mexico is denying entry to anyone convicted of an offense involving a minor (under 18) even if it is a non-contact, non-violent offense such as possession of child pornography. There are other countries, however, such as the 26 Schengen nations in Europe that allow registrants to travel there. Please plan accordingly.

  72. Tom

    Are RSOs permitted to go into Mexico via-land from the San Diego crossing? My friends and I are planning to take a car and drive to Mexico City from the Tijuana crossing. Should I even bother to come along?

    • Mike

      You will need to inform our government 21 days prior that you will enter Mexico. If you do not, when you return, you will be in violation of IML and you will be checked when you enter the US. If you do notify the US government, they will notify the MX government when and where you will cross, so I doubt that you will be allowed to enter.

    • Erwin

      Mexico is pretty much off limits if you are a registered sex offender. BUT it’s entirely possible to walk across the border without them checking. From personal experience, I walked across the bridge from San Ysidro and only encountered a Mexican border guard sitting in a beat up chair waive me across. That was back in 2010. Now, they may ask you to show your passport, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll scan it. If you did your due diligence and gave your 21 day notice of travel to Mexico, you’re basically off the hook as far as your legal duty in America. So it’s entirely possible to walk across the bridge into Mexico without a thorough check. But the concern is if you run into Mexican authorities inside Tijuana who decide to check you out. No telling what they’ll do if they find out you’re an American registered sex offender. Because official policy dictates that international sex offenders aren’t allowed in the country. So that’s a chance you have to decide to take

    • PK

      Hi it depends if you live within a SORNA State, as to whether you need to give advanced notification.

      Even though this isn’t the correct Thread to be posting information about Mexico, it has been my understanding that there are more Immigration Checkpoints leaving Tijuana, as compared to other ports of Entry, like those in Texas.

      You should really think about if you want to pass through Mexican Immigration to obtain your Tourist Visa Card. Once you are in the database with Mexico Immigration, it is not easy to remove yourself.

  73. Just My Opinion

    It’s interesting how the U.S. got away with banning Registered Citizens from international travel without actually unconstitutionally banning international travel. If it wasn’t for them passing IML, we probably would not have been able to fight this issue. They were able to get away with Angel Watch for years with no opportunity for us to fight it. Unfortunately, if the notifications continue, it will be very expensive and almost impossible to fight this exclusion of Registered Citizens from each of these countries.

    • Tuna

      Good point. I guess it is fair to say no one knew about Angel Watch (except the govt) until it came up in the context of them passing IML. Indeed, how the heck did they get away with it?

  74. O..A.R.

    Screw Mexico! We keep taking in their unwanted, criminals, and gang scum. I won’t buy anything made in that or any other country. Its all political anyway. Their decision garuantees u.s. support ( and the lower case is on purpose).

    • Roger

      O.A.R., I’m not happy about getting blocked from going to Mexico either, but there is nothing especially evil about Mexico. It is just another country that is following the hysteria that our government started against RCs. If the U.S. had not started RC registries and travel notifications to foreign governments, do you think Mexico would have had the time or money to comb through our court cases and pick us out?

      Canada is even worse. It won’t let anyone with any felony enter its borders.

      The bottom line is that badmouthing Mexico and making stereotypes won’t bring unity with the many Mexican-Americans who are with us on the registry and who want to fight it also.

      If you channel your energy into helping Janice, you will contribute toward the long-term goal of eliminating the registry, in which case you may see the entry restrictions on Mexico lifted someday.

      In the meantime, it would be very risky to look for loopholes to get into Mexico. We might get in, but we might never get out, and a Mexican prison is a hellhole no one should experience.

      • Erwin

        What makes countries like Mexico & the Philippines so abhorrent and hypocritical is those two countries have one of the lowest age of consent in the world. If they really were about protecting children, they would raise the age up from 12. Now I can understand them being concerned about international sex tourism but come on! That’s minuscule compared to what the locals get away with legally. At least Canadian laws are is consistent for locals and international travelers

    • TiredOfHiding

      I could not agree with you more. Build that wall and keep them all out and keep us in!

      Revoke all American’s passports (the small percentage that have them) and especially those pervs sex offenders who we all know just want to get out of the USA not to see the world but to molest people.

      Not unlike the government secret service agents who hired prostitutes while visiting Colombia recently.

  75. wonderin

    ahem! moderator or moderators allowing this thread to be totally hijacked over to mexico?

  76. robert

    do these restrictions apply to teir 1 offenders? i have traveled to the philippines 2 times and was recently there in jan 2016 and only got questioned upon returning in the usa in new york. i was there a month and this iml thing was signed while i was there. i never told anyone about my trip because i only register once a year plus i never knew about a 21 day notification of travel. i thought that was only while on probation not regular yearly registering. am i wrong in that assumption? i also live in new jersey and this is all news to me. i can apply to get off registering in 2020 after 15 years incident free. will that stop all this foolishness when i get removed from the yearly registration??? please help me with this quesrion. you people seem to be more up to date than me

    • Just My Opinion

      You didn’t say what state you live in. It makes a difference.

    • Rob

      Robert –
      Please let me know how your return was in New York (JFK I assume). I am traveling to Europe this August for 3 weeks and am flying in and out of JFK. I have no worries about leaving, as I have dual US/EU citizenship, but I am worried what happens upon my return. This is my first trip to Europe, and I don’t want to be there for hours. Do you have any suggestions? I appreciate your help!

      • robert

        i was only taken to a room and my passport checked, i was out and waiting by the baggage carosel before the luggage started coming out. just dont wanna go through it again. i wanna be able to go to the philippines to visit my wife. this is all very alarming and yes it was JFK

        • PK

          Robert, you’re lucky they didn’t steal your passport.

          I would say, you should get used to being harassed whenever you are returning to the United States.

          I’m not sure how successful you will be traveling back to the Philippines, as there is never any guarantee for an RSO to pass through Migracion without incident and enter into a foreign land. Much less, the Philippines.

          I would think traveling through JFK should be the least of your worries going forward.

          • robert

            why would they take my passport? they cant deny u entry into the usa if your a citizen and this is where you live. once i am off the registry i dont have to report anymore and tier 1 offenders only need to report to the local police where they live while they are still on the list. once off the list no one will come looking for you cause u have no more legal obligation to let them know where you are. so in essence your a free person like anyone else. if the court removes you its over because they said so.as long as you comply with the obligations u are done is what i was told

            • PK

              You may want to follow-up on the Statutes of International Megan’s Law. One of the Threads on this Blog has a lot of information concerning IML.

              I believe to be true- that if in fact you were ever convicted of a Sex Offense involving a Minor, Homeland Security Customs can either Notify your destination Country of your arrival, and or, take away or otherwise revoke your passport. If that is the case they would re-issue you a new Passport with the Sex Offender Stamp on it.

              • robert

                what part of the thread has that information, this is like twitter it goes on forever with out a clear starting point, and this is all hear say, no one seems to know the whole story i would like to know where to get the official list of what is and not required with IML but thanks for responding, i am not traveling there anytime soon or even before 2020 when i can petition to get off this list

        • Rob

          Thanks Robert –
          I chose JFK b/c I thought it would be the easiest, you have confirmed the choice. I look forward to my trip and will let everyone know how things go.

    • Erwin

      You’re free and clear after your off the registry but you pose another interesting question. New Jersey is one of the few states that doesn’t include tier 1 offenders. So your name shouldn’t shows up on any state or federal website. If that’s the case, does Interpol just send the green notices out only for offenders whose name show up? Say you’re in a state where the public website lists tier 1 offenders. Will they get the green notices? Either way, tier 1 offenders shouldn’t get their hopes up because the passport identifier is going to throw a monkey wrench in their plans

      • robert

        Erwin, your sure that i wont be denied entry to the philippines? what state do you live in if i can ask. im notplanning to go there again any time soon but would like to know, my passport is valid till 2023 and i will try and renew it early as soon as im taken off the list in 2020 with my petiotion, i thought my 15 years was up this year but its when you are released from prison not the offense date. i got out in 2005 and completed 5 years release supervision as well

        • Erwin

          Robert, regarding the passport identifier in the amended text of HR 515 (international Megan’s law) it specifically says a “covered sex offender” is one who is currently required to register in any jurisdiction. The 21 day notification law also applies only to “currently registered” offenders. Since you’ll no longer be required to register in 4 years, you should be free and clear to travel. I would hold onto your current passport until 2020

          If you’re done if incarceration & ES, generally you’re free to leave the country .

          I assume you’ve stayed in New Jersey because if you’ve lived in or visited another state for an extended period of time, your name could still be on that state’s registry. I know New York is across the border from Jersey but DO NOT stay long enough to register in New York because from what people say, New York will keep you on their list forever. Same with Florida. So be careful and find out the registry laws before visiting other states. You want to keep your obligation to register down to 15 years.

          Since you’ve never been blacklisted from the Philippines as a sex offender, your probability of getting into the country in 2020 after you’re off the registry is very good. What likely may prevent you is a felony record but evidently it didn’t stop you from getting into the country in January. But you never know. The Philippines could change the law on felons convicted internationally. I would check first with a local Filipino lawyer versed in Filipino law about any new law changes in the Philippines before traveling there in 4 years. It could save you airfare & headaches if you’re turned around at customs

          Although, I’m originally from California, I live in Wisconsin which has a tier system similar to New Jersey. My son’s doing 15 years for a tier 1 offense. The bad thing about Wisconsin is they start the 15 year clock after ES. So registration really is 21 years.

          When I went to college in Honolulu, I was sort of “adopted” into an Ilocono family of a classmate from the Philippines. I took a trip with his family to their homes in Manila and Ilocos Norte in the 90s. I’m the godfather of their kids to this day

          Good Luck

          • Robert

            thanks the 15 years also starts after your out of incarceration which was 2005 for me and 2020 is the 15 year mark. i thought the 15 year was from conviction but it starts after your released from jail which i did in ohio and i live in jersey so i was transfered here and completed parole supervision for 5 years and also saw a counselor while i was living with my ex wife and her daughter to let me live with them. i did this far, so 4 more years is a snap and the only people who know are the police in my town. i registration per year and they leave me alone so its pretty good and i dont travel much anyway cause i cant afford it

            • Erwin

              Good you immediately moved out of Ohio after incarceration to do your supervision in Jersey. Because if you would have stayed in Ohio a few more years, and then moved to Jersey, your new state most likely would’ve reset the clock and not count the years you were on the registry in Ohio. But like I said, Wisconsin is worst because they don’t count being registered while your on parole. The clock starts after you finished all incarceration & extended supervision (parole) I assume Ohio removed your name off their registry when you moved to Jersey but I would check & make sure. You don’t want them pulling a Florida on you

              • Robert

                everything was transfered to nj at the time and did my extended here in new jersey once it was satisfied all i had to do was register here, no more supervision of any kind except the yearly report.

          • PK

            “Robert, regarding the passport identifier in the amended text of HR 515 (international Megan’s law) it specifically says a “covered sex offender” is one who is currently required to register in any jurisdiction. The 21 day notification law also applies only to “currently registered” offenders.”

            I don’t think that’s correct information.

            In fact, at least 1 of the Plaintiff’s in the IML Lawsuit is no longer required to register in the state that he lives in, yet an Advanced Travel Notification was issued against him, and he was denied entry of his foreign destination.

            • Robert

              i will get a new passport after i am taken off the list in 2020 as the one i have now expires 2023 so if i am not attached to any regisrety it will show up as a clean passport. that seems to be the way to go because i dont need a new one now anyway since it is still valid

            • Erwin

              I was referring to the amended law where an offender has a duty to give notice of travel. It only applies to currently registered offenders It specifically makes that distinction in the text.

              Advance travel notifications are different. Parts of that system may well be in place for RCs who no longer have to register. But I seriously doubt Interpol is sending out notices on tier 1 offenders.That’s probably why Robert was able to travel twice to the Philippines without getting flagged.

              • Mike

                I am low risk and had notifications sent to Mexico when I fly to Mexico.

              • Erwin

                Risk classification is different than tier classification based on offense/or a combination of offense & risk. New Jersey uses tier levels. To what extent they “follow” AWA guidelines is up to the state but at least it is a standard and NJ follows that standard more than California where “low risk” offenders are always susceptible to being reclassified to a higher level especially when they move to another state. I believe NJ following federal guidelines put Robert in a “nice little box” as a tier 1 offender. So Interpol decided not to mess with him. That’s my belief. I can’t think of any other reason why he was allowed into the Philippines twice whereas most RSOs are shown the door at the airport

      • robert

        good question< how do they determine who gets notified and how? how many agencies regularly cross check each others data? that seems to be expensive

    • PK

      That’s quite a laundry list of questions. You should probably research the questions and answers that have been already posted on this Blog over the previous 6 months.

      I can assure you that your questions and answers regarding some, but not all, of the IML Regulations that are known up to this point, are already on this Blog- just not this Thread.

  77. John

    Robert I just learned about this 21 day thing too. In my situation I no longer have to register but I would have too if my state was awa compliant. So I’m not sure what I’m required to do traveling domestic or international. I know I reported and updated my registration when I just went out of state not long ago and the police called me and said there was no need to register or provide itinerary because I no longer am required too.I just feel as if though somewhere along the lines here I’m supposed too.

    • robert

      Erwin, your sure that i wont be denied entry to the philippines? what state do you live in if i can ask. im notplanning to go there again any time soon but would like to know, my passport is valid till 2023 and i will try and renew it early as soon as im taken off the list in 2020 with my petiotion, i thought my 15 years was up this year but its when you are released from prison not the offense date. i got out in 2005 and completed 5 years release supervision as well

    • robert

      John what state do you live in now?

    • David H

      That’s the whole problem with AWA it’s not designed to communicate to the RC it’s meant to be a standard for states to follow. How anyone can get arrested and charged under rules one’s State doesn’t inform you of is beyond me–I personally will not be giving notices unless and until me State instructs me to do so!

  78. John

    I wish there was a online thing where you could enter in your name and it would tell you what’s required of you. From one police station to the next you will get all kinds of answers… even lawyers give you several different answers. I feel as if noone really knows.

  79. John

    This is what I’m waiting for. I’m waiting for the Iml thing to go into place. I’m going to get a passport. And I will know if that passport has the sex offender thing in the chip if that’s what there going to do by looking at the expiration date. If it expires in 1 year it’s stamped if not I’m good to go I think.

    • robert

      i will do the same after i get removed from the registry list in 2020 wheni am allowed to according to their guidelines. so i guess its up in the air for me until then,

  80. Doug

    The problem the Philippines have as many third world country’s is many go there to have sex with people that are younger then the law says they need to be. They look at this list as one way to try to prevent that.

  81. Moving On

    Any person got denied recently from entering Philippines since the IML passed? I was naturally born in Philippines but later became a US citizen. I was arrested back in 2014 for filming female’s skirt which I concealed my phone in a bag and captured everything including a 14 and a 17 year old. I’ve never seen the videos that I captured and had no intentions of filming underage girls. I will say this the police illegally search my phone without my consent. Anyway, I pleaded no contest and was convicted on December 2014 with a misdeamenor of concealed camera and molest or annoy a child. I have taken full responsibility of my actions. I regret ever doing it but I am moving on. My condition was 3 years of summary probation, attend a sex class for 6 months, and to register as a sex offender. I was allowed to appeal to the appellate court before imposing the sentences. The appeal was to NOT impose the condition of registering as a sex offender.

    I went to Philippines on February 2016 for vacation. At that time, I didn’t know anything about IML or that the president had signed it into law. I entered the country, using my US passport, without any problem. I was in the Philippines for 3 weeks. When I came back from PI, I didn’t have any problem as well with the US customs. I received the results of my appeal. Basically, the Los Angeles Appellate Court denied my request and that the sentencing still stands. On May 2016, the sentencing was imposed and I registered as a sex offender. I was approved from internet exclusion. So my info is not on Megan’s website. I’m planning of going back to the Philippines next year to attend my cousin’s wedding. I was wondering if I will be denied entry this time since now I have registered as a sex offender. I have read all the comments but want an update from anyone that would care to share their experience. Will it make a difference if I am a dual citizen? Thanks.

    • Eric Knight

      I’m no lawyer, but your circumstances are much different in that you are already a citizen of Philippines. It sounds as if they have no basis to deny you into the country on that alone.

    • DavidH

      Moving on–yours is not an atypical story here. you have too many things going on! One of which is that you’re still probably a Phil citizen. This is not a confirmation of anything!

  82. Concerned Registrant

    MOVING ON,
    Yes, you will most likely be stopped as soon as you hand in your passport in Manila. You are fortunate that you were able to travel to the Philippines last time without problem, but that may be because you had the appeal going on. I was denied four years ago. When you get denied, they also put you on the Philippines national exclusion list. The notification through Interpol will now be sent. It will be up to the P.I. Immigration to decide whether to let you in or not. I will you luck. If you are denied, you should let Janice know about it.

    • mike

      If the guy is a citizen of the Philippines, then how can they deny?

      • Quint

        I don’t think they can. But if he is an American citizen, Can he still remain a citizen of the Philippines?

        • New Person

          From the following website, I found this information:

          http://www.chicagopcg.com/dual-faq.html#dual2


          Republic Act No. 9225 otherwise known as the “Citizenship Retention and Reacquisition Act of 2003” declares that natural-born citizens of the Philippines who become citizens of another country shall be deemed not to have lost their Philippine citizenship.

          Who are eligible for dual citizenship?

          Natural-born citizens of the Philippines who acquired foreign citizenship by naturalization.

          I hope that helps!

  83. Ron

    My friend entered the Phils 3 yrs ago and was denied entry since hes RSO. He was told by immig that if he has phil passport, then he can enter. Now he has re acquired his phil passport and has become dual citizen. He plans to go back to Phil. What could be the likely scenario? Thanks for your feedbacks.

    • Tom

      I would guess that they would let him in, since he is a citizen.

      Do report back though. I’m curious if he still gets hassled and interrogated.

  84. dave

    my wife is also a filipina , i was married in the philippines in 2005 , and was there in 2007 /2011/ and 2015, without a problem ,, i lost my comerical license due to medical reasons so now a can’t work anymore , but still planed to retire in philippines with my wife and my 2 boys , on oct 25 2016 was denied entry at manila , been over 22 yrs without any problems and registered every yr , why do they continue to change the rules .. my life is over , i supported my wife for 12 yrs now , and now im not allowed to see her , the usa can not bann us from traveling , this is just there backdoor way of screwing us again , when does the punishment end ?

    • PK

      Go to France then travel to a country close to the Philippines. then charter a fishing boat to the Philippines.

    • PK

      Wait a second- you have a wife in the Philippines. You should definitely get a lawyer from there, because you would probably prevail since you are married in the Philippines.

  85. dave

    my wife sent me the name of a imagration lawyer in th philippines , there suppose to be good at getting people off the black list , i will try that .

  86. robert m

    my wife is also filipina, i was just there in jan 2016 got in no problem but thats b4 IML who can give me a good attorney to help me bring her to the usa? we have been married since 2014 got mrrtied there and she just finished training to be a caregiver. can anyone give me advise? i can get off registry in 2020 thats when my 15 years is up. in tier 1 here in new jersey. any suggestions folks?? thanks

  87. Jean

    My american Bf would want to come Philippines next year and he is very much worried because of his past record, a sex offender. But that was 20 years ago.

    Guys, could you please share to me the name, email address of the lawyer and if how much my bf will be paying for the attorney?

    Please send me an email je_bb@yahoo.com . Thank you.

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