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Fontana School District’s “No Registrants” Policy Challenged in Court

Today a lawsuit was filed in state court challenging a decision by the Fontana Unified School District to prohibit all registrants, including parents, from entering all 45schools in that district. The five members of the school district board voted unanimously in favor of the “zero tolerance” policy on September 14 after several angry parents threatened to oust any board member who opposed it.

According to the lawsuit, the school board policy is preempted by state law and is inconsistent with other state laws which require schools to allow parents and guardians of school children to participate in the education of their children. The lawsuit requests that the court issue a writ of mandate requiring the school district to stop enforcement of the policy.

“The Fontana Unified School District is violating state law each and every day it enforces the unlawful policy of prohibiting all registrants from entering all schools in that district,” stated civil rights attorney Janice Bellucci.

The lawsuit also alleges that the school board is exceeding its authority by creating and then enforcing a policy that excludes registrants from school campuses.

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  1. DPH

    I would like to face them since I went to K-12 there. Show them something that their is a lifetime face with their actions.
    Thanks Janice and Team to initiate Law Suit.
    You will persevere!

  2. Anon 23d384e21

    This is some funny S*** I remember reading this about a month or so ago and now LAWSUIT, that is what it takes these people to STOP this BS Draconian stuff.

    I recall a few days / week ago the Halloween sign settlement.. at the end I noticed the best words….

    The one that was SUED that SETTLED will pay all ATTY Fee’s !(CDCR…HALLOWEEN)

    When people have to PAY up they change their STANCE !
    Same with all the cities doing residence restrictions, Once a LAWSUIT is threatened/filed they ALL CAVE in on their ILLEGAL LAWS/ORDINANCES/BS…. ALWAYS

    Just gotta wait on the DRACONIAN Registry to GO AWAY same with IML… Time…

  3. rick

    Wow, I had no idea sex had this kind of power, where people think they have the right to prevent parents or other loved ones from being in a school or any building with their children. So much for the right of association. But people who teach their children and others to live in fear are just fine. Honestly, what kind of people are they.

    I thought we went through the dark ages long ago? Its starting to become clear to me, we need a separate america. Where those with toleration live away from those who do not. You see what happens when people watch too many TV shows like the walking dead, channel zero, law and order where pure hatred and fear guide their actions.

    This nonsense has got to be stopped. Whoever wins this presidency better get rid of this garbage or shit is gonna start happening. We are not Jews, you will not get away with this crap much longer. Send these terrorized non humans back to wherever they come from. As far as I’m concerned they are leftovers from European religious sects who can’t cope with the real world where shit happens.

    • Timmr

      Fear is born out of an environment of misinformation. Misinformation is spread like wildfire over the social media, which doesn’t lend itself much to fact checking, because it appeals to the emotions more than the analytical part of the brain. It is like the criminal broadsheets of the middle ages, when people took anything written as truth.
      People are so enamoured with the present technology, they rarely analyse what it is telling them.

      • j

        That is why I maintain that the state is essentially legalizing cyber-bullying and setting the tone downrange for what chaos can and will ensue based on ignorance and predictable mob rule vigilantism. What is even more nefarious is they know the facts about recidivism but continue to ride the wave of the panic that is spread by their skillful use of “factoids”.

        One could easily use the argument that anyone on probation for drunk driving be banned from within 500 feet of a school, church, park or any place that children gather. The same would go for gang members who have been known to kill innocent victims, many of them children.

        This would present a difficult challenge for them if they were to apply this type of law to murderers (all of them), carjackers, perpetrators of gang violence etc. And they also most likely realize how out of control the whole mechanism would spin if they expanded the scope – albeit to actual threats. You can’t be half pregnant.

        It has and will apparently continue to be based on distortions and political advantage stemming from the politics of fear.

        As to Fontana, this is a teaching moment for them but it starts with knowledge and that is a rare commodity if information gleaned from a website that is based on rhetoric is their salvo and a hopeless situation for them if they act without affording themselves the information provided in the CDCR study or actual law for that matter… What would they do with facts if they have invested so much time basing policy on lies?
        The only truth revealed here is they are fearfully kowtowing to an angry mob and sweeping truth and family values under the rug along with the children of registrants.

        That is like throwing a two-ton lead weight on the constitution and the shoulders of Lady Liberty and expecting them to stay afloat. I suppose any teacher or staff member that voiced opposition to this would be flushed or otherwise sanctioned, lest they be swarmed by demands for ouster from parents who simply oppose the truth in favor of their thirst for harassment and intimidation of registrants and their children and families.

        Pardon the redundancy but the evident teaching opportunity for the administrators of Fontana is this:”

        Ignorance breed fear, and thus fear breeds hate.

        See if they can run with that one, but don’t hold out for reasoning with such a generous display of ignorance and arrogance on their behalf.

  4. rick

    The parents that forced their views on the board members and those board members who helped them are criminals, nothing more. They think only they have the right to decide how people live. Seems to me it is civil disobedience and treason in support of the enemies of this country to destroy our constitution and our country. They should be declared enemies of the state, because if you can’t live by our constitution and the flaws of its people, then you are our enemy. Like I said, take your money, your possessions, and go back to Europe. You will fit right in with the Nazis and maybe you can create another third Reich we can nuke this time.

  5. G4Change

    Good luck, Janice, and all. I hope this stupid policy is thrown out and that you are duly compensated by the tax payers of Fontana for your continued hard work.
    Then, I hope the hard-working tax payers of Fontana step up and throw out of office the morons who implemented this ridiculous policy.

  6. J

    They’ll learn……

  7. Roger

    Janice, you and the other ACSOL volunteers are the very few who fight for us RCs. Thank you.

    Thank you for challenging irrational laws.

  8. Mq

    I have the same issue here in slo county and it’s a burden on me and my family. I’m not allowed on school grounds unless I call and get permission from the principal I’m only allowed to pick up my kids but not to get out of my car . Maybe janice and staff should do the same here

  9. Cool CA RC

    Another WIN for RC!!

  10. CINDY

    Wow. Some of the comments I’ve been reading really have me baffled. Like the ones from Rick about civil disobedience and treason….how is not wanting a registered sex offender no where near my kids or students civil disobedience? More like my civil duty. Offenders are on the offender list for a reason. They are the ones who broke a law! If they can’t handle the punishments dished out here in America then maybe they should consider leaving. Why do I need to put my child at risk? Offenders lost their rights to chose wither or not to go to schools and the option to interact with minors when they committed whatever act that got them on the list. They are offenders! Too bad! Participate in your child’s education by being involved with your child off campus. Volunteering on campus is NOT a vital part of participating in your child’s education. BUT keeping registered sex offenders away from my child is absolutely a vital part of keeping them safe.

    • Justice for All

      I wondered how long it would take someone brave enough to try and come here to pander their views.

      I applaud you in that aspect Cindy.

      But your way of thinking is way off base, wrong, and completely misguided. The first thing I would like to point out is the fact that you actually used the word “punishment”.

      That is what this is really all about: punishment. It’s not about safety, order, or protection. If you actually take the time and put as much effort into exploring this site, you would actually become educated that the real threats to your children come in the form of family members, coaches, teachers, essentially anyone that already has the trust of your child (and yours!).

      Do you REALLY think any of us have any intention to harm your kids? If so, what would be the point in trying to fight blatant illegal laws FIRST?

      As I have always said, there is no law in the world that can be passed that would prevent crime or protect a child from s predator. Anyone that is dead set on committing such a dreadful deed, would laugh in the face of your “ordinance”. (If they bothered to read up on it at all)

      The only people that this law affects are the ones that are already, and completely, following the law.

      You really should educate yourself and stop with the hysteria myths. Heck, it even states it on the Megan’s law website that stranger danger is rare. Pretty much proof that you haven’t even read the site at all.

    • wonderin

      Wow CINDY!
      Are you confused. You have much to learn about the injustice on selected individuals and their innocent children at the whim of a prejudiced society.
      First of all, it’s interesting that you see being on the registry as “punishment” which the courts refuse to admit. Naturally, the punishment extends to the offenders family.
      Secondly, many registrants would welcome an opportunity to leave this country but they can’t.
      When was the last time you read about a registrant sexually molesting a student at school?
      When was the last time you read about a teacher or other school employee sexually involved or attempting to violate a student? Almost every couple of days, right?
      What you are advocating is reduced participation in their child’s education by restricting them to off campus and although that may serve your desires it does nothing to protect your child and only violates the rights of another child.
      I could go on and on but I won’t.

    • Irma

      @ Cindy… Well said… I guess if push comes to shove… Only children of sex offenders will be attending public schools… These people are friggen crazy thinking law abiding citizens want Sex Offenders in and around their children… And if the school wants to spend thousands of dollars notify each parent, then lose more thousands of dollars, when we keep our children at home because a Registered “Sex offender” will be on school grounds… Then so be it… Fine, lets make Fontana California the Charter School Capital of California… Are these people so ignorant to think parents actually care about a Criminal/ Sex Offenders rights…! We could give a friggen rats a*s about a SEX OFFENDERS and their rights… The Law States Sex offenders are not permited near School or Parks… Yet, because they have kids, its forgiven… Tell that to their victims… SEX OFFENDERS ARE FORCED TO REGISTER FOR A REASON… BY THE WAY NOTICE HOW THEY REFER TO THE SEX OFFENDER, AS THE REGISTRANTS, AND NOT REGISTERED SEXOFFENDERS… I understand that some of these sex offenders had to register for other lewed and disturbing offense that are not exactly peddophilles or child molester (Rapist…) However that is not our problem… IF THEY WANT THE LAW CHANGED… Then they should fight to change that part of the law that basically catergorizes and puts them with the most henious crime any person can commit and thats crime against children… Child Molesters… Pedophilles…

      • Athena

        Yet you seem to have no problem having murderers around your children… or meth cooks, or drug dealers, or wife beaters, or drunk drivers, or or or. Maybe you or your child’s father have a criminal record that I do not want my child to be exposed to?

        What is the problem here, Irma? How many children have been abused by those REGISTRANTS (there, I said it again) attending to pertinent business involving their own child at the school? I bet you cannot come up with one anecdote.

        Are you really supporting depriving an innocent child’s parental involvement because of your unfounded and hysterical views? Are you going to be the one telling little Susie that her daddy not only will not see her perform in her Kindergarden’s Christmas show, but that he will have to miss every single event (competitions, performances, parent/teacher events) up to and including High School graduation?

        You, Irma, clearly care about children! Or is it only you and yours?

      • David Kennerly

        Note to Moderator: Why are we seeing these comments now? It’s enough that we have to wade through these ignorant, hateful diatribes everywhere else.

        I don’t see that this site needs to become another outpost for obsessives and vigilantes. Their comments are not in aid of balance, if that is the reason.

        If they are educable, then great, they’re free to READ the posts and later write something if it rises to the standards of the board.

        • J

          I agree….Loose these morons

        • C

          I agree wholeheartedly. We don’t need Cindy, Irma and other brainwashed, myopic, self-righteous, sanctiminious trolls bashing us here. This site needs to maintain its integrity as a place to discuss legal issues facing registered citizens and lend each other support.

          Valligator is dead. Let’s not serve as an incubator for her sleazy, self-centered, successors.

          If I have to sift through hurtful, counterproductive drivel to find meaningful comments the site loses its value and any reason for me to return.

          Please delete these and block future such posts.

      • wonderin

        Irma – Please include in your diatribe any examples of “registered sex offenders” coming onto school grounds under the pretense of participating in the education of their children and instead attempting to molest someone else’s child.
        In other words either put up or shutup!

      • steve

        Irma let me guess..you were one of those screaming psychos at the Fontana school board meeting that forced this ordinance. Well say hello to the constitution. You probably know nothing about it based on your excellent writing ability. Usually the most uneducated about a subject are the loudest screamers. Why don’t you google teachers and sex with students. You will find four in the last month around the country. And guess what ZERO registered offenders committing any offenses on any campus. I would be more worried about a teacher than anyone else. Look it up

      • nomore

        Is it the most heinous? I mean seriously, I’ve seen cases where people did horrible things to both adults and children that ended in death. It’s bad but it’s not the most heinous. As for the rest of that mess, you nor your kid are guaranteed safety in life and everyone’s rights are equal. Sure we lose some of them but once we complete our time, we’re good right?

      • FRegistryTerrorists

        Go F yourself, Irma. We don’t need un-Americans like you in our country. So get out.

        Since when did this moral website start allowing scumbags like Irma here? They should not be allowed.

      • rick

        To Irma

        Don’t forget all the other child abusers, drug addicts, alcoholics, child beaters, teachers of hate and discrimination, divorcees, bullies, domestic violence perpetrators, selfish greedy parents, etc, that all have just as serious emotional and physical impacts on children. Have you ever seen what some of these people do to their kids and how they’re kids grow up to be. Your the perfect example of ignorance and hatred, and you perpetuate your discrimination. More kids die every year from regular so called normal types of child abuse and neglect then will ever happen from sex abuse. Your a criminal, the most heinous crime someone can commit, are you serious. Let’s ask some people who have encountered other forms of abuse if that is the worst crime. You got a lot of nerve, or your just ignorant. You enjoy selecting people you want to hate, and then use it to satiate your lust for attention and acceptance. Not only that, you want preferential treatment for one type of abuse as though there really is one thing worse than others when they are nearly identical acts. Rape and abuse are not just sexual, but ignorant people like you continue to promote your self delusional ideas to as if you are noble. Give us a break, when you develop some knowledge that is supported, come back, we will listen, till then your just another sheep to be led by the hoof.

      • New Person

        1. Public School are funded by California Tax Payers. Registrants pay taxes. Seems to be quite tyrannical to take one’s money and exclude them altogether.

        2. A plethora of people who register have earned a 1203.4. That means their case has been dismissed. Which means their crime of record does not exist. They can’t be sex offenders if their case doesn’t exist any longer, but are still forced to register. 1203.4 states that a person is rehabilitated and deserves to restore their rights.

        3. California has only lifetime registration. It’s all or nothing. There is no in between. There are some romeo and juliet cases. Some marry. Care to tell me who the actual victim is? Some are teenagers being teenagers. In fact, a fourth of the registry are made up of children or were children at the time of the crime. If your child was just being curious, then you would condemn them for life?

        4. Banishment is unconstitutional b/c it is a form of cruel and unusual punishment.

        Cindy and Irma, you have a blanket idea to believe “sex offenders are on the list for a reason.” A lot depends on the prosecutor and defending lawyer. Do you know in NJ, the age of consent is 16. In California, it’s 18. There are a registrants who would not have to register at all between the two year difference and yet it’s that two year difference that increases the term “child”. But what you fail to ask is, “why can’t they get off the registry?” See Point 4.

        But since you have ventured into this site, feel free to look up the CASOMB (California Sex Offender Management Board) reports for the past four years. Each year it has declined for the past four years in recidivism (re-offending). In the last two years, it has dropped below 1% (0.8 and 0.6, if i recall correctly).

        So using pure logic, all this hysteria you are drumming up is about less than 1%? Did you know that 38% of drunk drivers in accidents result in fatalities?

        BTW, Welcome to the site. I hope we can help enlighten you both. = )

      • 72FLH

        Irma ,,,, are you still a law abiding citizen if your not cot? I can see that your one of the sales persons to people like Cindy and many others selling you fear and hate ,, sitting there talking about money and YOUR kids , like ours don’t matter ! you sound like you fancy your self as some kind of an elite , stupid to think that these unjust laws cant come back and slap you in the face , when its your kids that have to grow up with these laws , and god forbid that its your kids that get some kind of sex charge , or your grand kids , or your man , or dad , sister , brother , or “UNCLE” oh yes has herd a out cast uncle storys on “LIFEtime”, yet you cant tell me one case of a ex offender going to a school function and doing any thing to some poor kid , you respect only your own , I bet you use bath tissue with the US Constitution on it , I don’t like you , and I don’t like your fake town , full of fake intent , you make me sick with your cheap bitter hate , I am sorry but you choose to be the enemy of my grand kids with your fake self important’s , your money stinks of greed , your words hang in air and drift away with the fowl stink of lies , and drawing lines that only you can paint with no room for open thought in those lines , but I wish no harm on you and your , and its not in me to hate , but I don’t want anyone I love close to you I can see that you have a very dark spirt , and knowing of this of this dark spirt and seeing how much you put into coming to this site and loving to say all of these hurtful thing, make me wonder if maybe their are some other reasons you like saying those word so much , you bring no light here , just your hate , try to open your mind and view the ugly things you carry inside your self and the foolish things you harbor in your heart that causes nothing but pain to people that have done nothing to you , we are all just enemy’s because you fear truth , kindness , understanding , your answer to everything is a true living hypocrisy ,

      • Renny

        Irma, it sounds as though you consider the children of sex offenders to be less entitled than your own children.

        That makes you my enemy.

        Irma, it sounds like you do not have the tools to protect your own children from anyone, sex offender or not.

        That makes you the enemy of your child.

        Irma, would YOU pass the same polygraph exam given to sex offenders? If you believe so, I challenge you to take it, at your own cost, and have the results made public.

        If you refuse, then we all know you have something to hide.

    • Double A

      Cindy,

      I made a mistake. I did my time and paid my debt to society. That’s it. I shouldn’t be subjected to any further punishments.

      This registry is a joke. Parents need to be more accountable for their children. If parents were also held responsible for not taking care of their child, there would be less people on the registry.

      Registrants should have the same rights as everyone else. These laws that are put in place to “protect” children are infringing on registrants rights. Fortunately we have Janice to protect us from these unjust laws.

      The other day when I was at the park for my nephew’s birthday party, or at Chuck E. Cheese for my godson’s birthday party, or at the beach taking in a few rays and enjoying the day with my girlfriend… I thought about how grateful I am that we have someone like Janice fighting for us. I also thought about people like you and the politicians who wrote these laws.

      We aren’t bad people. We just made a mistake. Next time you’re at the park, beach, or what have you… the nice gentleman who politely said “good afternoon” and gave you a smile and nod may have been me or another registrant. If you don’t like the fact that I’m there, like you said, too bad.

      • dallas

        Well said! Cindy apparently does not know much about the registry or the very low recetivision rate of only about 5 percent. The odds are someone in her family or herself would harm her kids before any registered offender would. Her own attitude is her worst enemy and risk for her and her own children!

    • Vicki Henry

      According to the NCMEC map there are over 851,870 men, women and children (as young as 8 and 10 in some states) required to register and the “crimes” range from urinating in public (indecent exposure), sexting, incest, mooning, exposure, false accusations by a soon-to-be ex-wife, angry girlfriend, or spiteful student, viewing abusive OR suggestive images of anyone 18 years old or younger, playing doctor, prostitution, solicitation, Romeo and Juliet consensual sexual dating relationships, rape, endangering the welfare of a child, the old bate-n-switch internet stings and many others.

      If you multiply the number on the registry by 2 or 3 family members you can clearly see there are well over 4 million wives, children, moms, aunts, girlfriends, grandmothers and other family members who experience the collateral damage of being murdered, harassed, threatened, children beaten, have signs placed in their yards, homes set on fire, vehicles damaged, asked to leave their churches and other organizations, children passed over for educational opportunities, have flyers distributed around their neighborhood, wives lose their jobs when someone learns they are married to a registrant….all these things occur when these people try to hold their family together and provide the three things that professionals state are needed for successful re-integration; a job, a place to live and a good support system.

      The Supreme Court’s Crucial Mistake About Sex Crime Statistics It is very important that you read the abstract below and then the full 12 page essay by Ira Mark and Tara Ellman.

      ABSTRACT This brief essay reveals that the sources relied upon by the Supreme Court in Smith v. Doe, a heavily cited constitutional decision on sex offender registries, in fact provide no support at all for the facts about sex offender re-offense rates that the Court treats as central to its constitutional conclusions. This misreading of the social science was abetted in part by the Solicitor General’s misrepresentations in the amicus brief it filed in this case. The false “facts” stated in the opinion have since been relied upon repeatedly by other courts in their own constitutional decisions, thus infecting an entire field of law as well as policy making by legislative bodies. Recent decisions by the Pennsylvania and California supreme courts establish principles that would support major judicial reforms of sex offender registries, if they were applied to the actual facts. This paper appeared in Constitutional Commentary Fall, 2015.
      http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Papers.cfm?abstract_id=2616429

      A study reviewing sex crimes as reported to police revealed that:
      a) 93% of child sexual abuse victims knew their abuser;
      b) 34.2% were family members;
      c) 58.7% were acquaintances;
      d) Only 7% of the perpetrators of child victims were strangers;
      e) 40% of sexual assaults take place in the victims own home;
      f) 20% take place in the home of a friend, neighbor or relative (Jill Levenson, PhD, Lynn University)

      The public needs to decide if they want to continue to focus on those who, for the most part, are one time offenders or if they see a greater need to fund programs like “Stop It Now” that teaches about grooming behaviors and other things in their Circles of Safety. It is documented that 95% of the sexual abuse occurs within the victim’s family and those known to the family?

      Vicki Henry, Women Against Registry

      • nomore

        Thank you Vicki and W.A.R. for acknowledging the core lie that started this current mess we have. I appreciate what your group is trying to do.

    • Curiouser

      Of course, Cindy adheres to the belief that everyone on the registry is a child predator who is lurking just outside her kid’s classroom door clad only in raincoat. I can’t blame her for that. It’s the mentality that the Chris Smith’s and John Walsh’s of this country desperately need to keep their trains rolling along, playing to the fears of the uneducated.
      But guess what, Cindy? There are a great many on the registry who never touched a kid, and never would. We have streakers, road side pissers, Romeos who later married their Juliets. Yet, somehow, no matter what the offense, thanks to the California one-size-fits-all registry, we’re all treated as if we were Phil Garrido. And darn if the masses (like yourself) don’t buy into that like it was swampland for sale in New Jersey.
      How is the person who took a leak behind a bush on a roadside a threat to school kids all over the state? I’m sure someone who slurps up the KoolAid Smith and Walsh are serving will be able to conjure up a nexus for that.
      But hey, I’m sure you tuned me out a long while ago, choosing instead to recite that tired old anthem you so dearly cling to in your missive above. Thank you for helping us win this war. We’re not going anywhere.

    • D

      Cindy – like many Internet sites, this one has its good and bad comments. I also applaud you for posting here, but I would like to ask that you take a few minutes and read up on the Registry. First you should know that NO one here is advocating that sex crimes should not be punished, we just want the punishment to be constitutional. You call the registry punishment and so do we, but the Supreme Court has said that it is not and should not be, because it is unconstitutional to add punishment after someone has already been sentenced (ex post facto). Many people committed offenses decades ago before the registry and have had all the new punishments added on year after year.

      I would also like you to research what kind of things can get someone required to register. Many do not involve children, forceable rape, or the like. Things like streaking at a football game, peeing in the alley behind a bar, consensual sex among teens (a 19 yo with a 16 yo), taking voyeuristic photos, peeping Tom, etc. Most of these people (and the others) never want to do something like what got them in trouble again. You just need to look to the recidivism rates of RSOs compared to other crimes (see study by CA Sex offender management board) which is less than 5% and more like less than 1%. Over 95% of sex crimes are by people not on the registry and most likely people that are close to you or your children, like teachers, coaches, clergy, parents or even the police.

      Registrants really do not want to go volunteer at the schools, nobody wants that, they just want to be able to drop off and pick up their kids, be able to go to a parent teacher conference, and support their children in their activities like plays and sports.

      There are registrants all around you, working in your grocery store, cooking your diner, working in your office, worshipping at your church, and talking with you as you walk around the block. We are not all the predators you see in movies and on TV, we are normal people that have paid our debt to society and just want to support our families.

    • Punished For Life

      Cindy,
      We really do want your children to be safe, too. We don’t hide behind bushes just hoping your children will come walking by so we can jump on them. This is typical of the hysteria that the general public has been brainwashed to believe for decades now.
      It is against the Constitution of the United States to convict a person for their mistakes and then after that person has served his/her time…including probation or parole and then arbitrarily begin adding new punishment after that time has been served.
      It has been determined by the Supreme Court of the United States, that “Registration” is not punishment.
      Yet you and and millions of uninformed public are very aware that “Registration”, along with all of the additional restrictions that have been added on over the years and are now indeed PUNISHMENT over and above the original purpose of Registration.
      This is much of our fight. We need the general public to understand how truly “unconstitutional” these laws have become.

    • Harry

      It seem that if a registered citizens have children of their own and living in their homes and are safe and not abused. This puts to mute the reasons of keeping them of school grounds to be involved with their kid’s education. All is hysteria weed that went to seed

    • steve

      Cindy here is where you are wrong. The punishment that you speak of happens at SENTENCING not 10, 15 or 20 years later. It is unconstititutional to punish after the fact. How many convicted drug dealers are on your campus? How many people convicted of multiple DUI”d on your campus? Boy I wouldn’t want any parent who is a drunk diving my kid around!.

      I have 3 kids 2 currently in large college institutions and one still in high school. I supported them all the way and attended EVERYTHING they are involved in. Surprise. Never read about me, a registered citizen being arrested for harming anyone on campus.

    • PK

      @Cindy Why would you think that all Sex Offenses involve children?

      “Offenders are on the offender list for a reason.”
      Political reasons.

      Do you think it’s fair that an 18 year old be put on “the list” because he hooked up with a 17 year old who lied about her age?

      “If they can’t handle the punishments dished out here in America then maybe they should consider leaving.”
      Yes I’m all for that! Please get me the f*** out of here- NOW!

    • rick

      Well, I have an answer for Cindy, I don’t know if you are an actual so called normal person or someone acting as one, but here goes and I just want to try and demonstrate what I mean. Sorry, I’ve responded so late, didn’t notice your comment.

      Civic duty has nothing to do with your parenting and the protection of children. That is a separate responsibility that transcends civic activities. Civic activities are related to the actions required by the government to provide generally accepted norms of food, clothing, health, etc. For instance, if your child or someone else’s child is being harmed right in front of you, you have no legal responsibility to act. You may be too afraid to do so, or unable to for numerous reasons. In fact for doing so, you may be criminally liable.

      Your civic duty is to uphold the law, and the U.S. Constitution. It is a legal contract that requires all persons to set aside their personal feelings and allow the law to maintain order. If you break the law you get punished, but only once and only in one way. There is one exception to this rule, acts of treason against this nation allow for the loss of civil rights. All other acts result in a fine, imprisonment, or death, depending on the severity of the crime. But, each act is to be judged on the facts of each case, so you see there may be equality of charges, but not equality in convictions or sentencing.

      You ask why you have to put your child at risk? Well your child is at risk in your home by numerous dangers, and the moment they leave it. Anything can happen to them, from accidental falls, to being ran over, to being in a bus accident, to being bullied and beaten, to being ignored or abused by anyone, to infectious diseases, etc. And yes, to a person who intends to do them harm. Not only are children subject to this gauntlet, but also adults.

      So we all have to tolerate the flaws of our species, otherwise there could be no America. As a former parent I did all I could to protect my children. I met their friends, I watched for changes in their behavior, but the fact is anyone could have taken them at any time. But, I had full conviction that I taught them how to minimize that possibility. Don’t be alone, don’t go near someone’s car, don’t accept things from people they didn’t know, and tell us if anyone touched you or your privates without our permission. But they were still kids, and I knew they could make a mistake. But we lived in a relatively small town where kids were safe, at least from strangers. My kids made it, without being bullied and abused. So I understand your concern, every parent feels it, some just feel it more than others?

      This is my point, no matter how we try to protect someone, the possibility that something can go wrong is all around them. I suppose that’s why we need to treasure life, because it can end in an instant. If you read about some of the things that happened to me in the article about Australian child sex crimes in this site you will see that a person can endure a lot of pain and still have a productive life, raise kids, teach them to be tolerant and never just take someone’s word for something, but research it, then make a decision.

      And i taught them not to live in fear, its the worst way to live, believe me it is. Since you’ve been reading these posts I gather you have seen most of the arguments against these Sora’s or registration systems and the damage they are causing. I don’t have a fix all solution, except stop making humans. As far as your children go, I hope they grow up to be law abiding adults. But as you can see, there are no guarantees, and so we just have to hope they are. Take a look at our presidential nominees, they are drowning in sexual conflicts as is this country. It appears we have returned to the MacArthur era, where the motives of all people are under suspicion. You claim you want safety, I claim you are committing civil disobedience by invalidating the entire u.s. constitution.

      And you still have not demonstrated how preventing someone from being on school property keeps your children safe, or how knowing where they live or work does. Because if they are going to commit a crime, no law or information is going to stop it, unless you get extremely lucky or they scream out I’m gonna commit a crime now. Good luck to you and your family, I hope they make it to adulthood. Some of my family never did.

    • j

      People with your limited knowledge (and practice) of the constitution and the criminal justice system typify the saying: People with big hammers tend to view problems as small nails. It is not up to the public to manifest a punishment vehicle that can be used randomly, arbitrarily and indiscriminately especially against the children of registrants. You comments clearly imply that children of registrants must also be punished along with their parent. That narrow minded thinking simply cannot go unchallenged. It is caustic and patently anti “Family Values” and accomplishes nothing more than the current law which is attempting to be usurped by a government body that is established and funded to teach – not misinform.

      We all have opinions but fear and ignorance – with a good helping of NIMBY seem to be the baseline for your reasoning. The law states that services are not to be denied to registrants and also includes “any” harassment or intimidation of registrants and their families. In your world, they should essentially be banished so you don’t have to deal it. If ignorance were a crime, many people including yourself, could be sentenced harshly. Lucky for you it isn’t.

      I have no sympathy for your position as I have witnessed first hand the harmful and needless harm to my children due to the ex post facto implementation of these draconian laws. What is next the Stocks? Would the children of registrants also have to sit along side their parents? Think outside of your own parochial mentality – for a change.

    • Renny

      Cindy I urge, no I BEG you to call, write and meet with your legislators to pass laws that allow sex offenders to escape the United States.

      In fact, you should recommend incentives be given to nations that accept sex offenders who wish to escape the United States. Do you really want to protect American children? If so, then you should do everything you can to ensure laws are passed that allow sex offenders and their families to escape the US and become citizens of other nations.

      I suspect that the registry would be reduced by at least 10% in the first year and by the end of the tenth year the registry would be reduced around 50% as offenders and their extended families are able to escape, without tax penalties.

      If that saves just one child, it is worth it right? So Cindy, instead of being a nobody doing nothing, get out there and push hard to allow us to escape.

      • 72FLH

        Renny >>> Your thinking out side the box , and I love it !

      • ONE DAY AT A TIME

        Renny, “without tax penalties” Why would there be tax penalties? Most registered citizens no longer have many assets or income so what tax penalties would there be?

  11. Lynne Presley

    I would like to take this opportunity to respond to individuals who continually try to make others think that all people on the registry are lurking in the bushes to steal a child. The media has caused the hysteria along with uneducated citizens who know nothing about the registry. The registry is PUNISHMENT-it is a death sentence without being put to death. You can never get off of the registry, regardless of what you have accomplished since being convicted. Our society looks at registrants as throw-aways who can never be rehabilitated and that is an incorrect assumption. Many of the people listed are not ever, ever going to re-offend and all the top psychologists say that. It is not the people on the registry-they are educators who have studied the information and have come up with the conclusions. Not all sex offenders are predators, not all sex offenders will re-offend. You have more possibility of being murdered by someone then sexually assaulted. The laws are written to make people fear ones who have been put on the registry. In many states, everyone convicted of a sex crime is defined as a “sexual predator” and the majority of them are not. It is time for the public to educate themselves and not listen to the media hysteria regarding a missing child, as these are very rare cases. Yet, the media cannot wait to put out an alert to drive the continuing hysteria. I do not believe and refuse to accept that all people convicted are bad. Many can be rehabilitated and return to a normal life but many are not allowed that luxury. It is a constant battle to try to return to normalcy, when every day there is another law added that stops that. I will never stop fighting this injustice and if it takes lawsuit, after lawsuit so be it. It is time for all registrants to stand up and say, enough of this, enough. While I agree there are bad people in our society, those are the ones who should be put on the list-not your son, who had relations with his 16 year old girlfriend! Think about that, as the next one, could be you or anyone in your family. This has got to stop and I will fight this until my last breath. Unless you walk in our shoes, you have no idea what the day in the life of someone on the registry is really like. Kudos-Janice.

  12. mike r

    cindy lets see how brave and intelligent your are…your brave enough to come on here spouting about who cares about our rights (which is completely un-American, ylu should care about all the people’s rights if you’re a true American) and that any and all of us pose some kind of danger to your precious little suzy or joey….try educating yourself with the following facts and the facts that have already been provided and come back and give one sound reasonable argument about why we shouldn’t be allowed on school property besides just spouting at the mouth that we’re sex offenders and we don’t deserve rights and Lil Joeys rights are more important than our rights…thats the same all song and dance and it is becoming a weaker and weaker argument everyday…..come back with some kind of proof or real empirical evidence that there is an actual danger if a sex offender is allowed to watch his kid’s school play or sit in the bleachers and watch his game or pick him up from school…..just one incident or real reason why this shouldnt be allowed….

    I really wish you,the media, and any other organization would stop publishing, producing or relying on reports and opinions from law makers or any organizations about how great sex offender registration and notification laws work or how residency restrictions and presence restrictions are needed. They are using false statistics and pure myths to further their personal agendas under the guise of protecting children. None of these failed policies have achieved any positive results in the US and are in fact destroying the lives of thousands of innocent children and their families because one of their parents or family members are on such a registry. Individuals and organizations should have enough integrity to investigate their claims before they publish it or rely on it and be sure that there is some credibility to it and not just a platform to exploit children for a law makers personal gains or their own. Here are some facts from the leading authorities on this subject which indicate what a failure these registration and public notification laws are in the US. These laws are a waste of tax dollars and are a misplaced use of valuable law enforcement and government agency resources.

    California Sex Offender Management Board (CASOMB)

    Sex offender recidivism rate for a new sex offense is 0.8% (page 30)

    The full report is available online at

    http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Adult_Research_Branch/Research_Documents/2014_Outcome_Evaluation_Report_7-6-2015.pdf

    California Sex Offender Management Board (CASOMB) End of Year Report 2014. (page 13)

    Under the current system many local registering agencies are challenged just keeping up with registration paperwork. It takes an hour or more to process each registrant, the majority of whom are low risk offenders. As a result law enforcement cannot monitor higher risk offenders more intensively in the community due to the sheer numbers on the registry. Some of the consequences of lengthy and unnecessary registration requirements actually destabilize the life’s of registrants and those -such as families- whose lives are often substantially impacted. Such consequences are thought to raise levels of known risk factors while providing no discernible benefit in terms of community safety.

    The full report is available online at. http://www.casomb.org/index.cfm?pid=231

    National Institute of Justice (NIJ) US Department of Justice Office of Justice Programs United States of America.

    The overall conclusion is that Megan’s law has had no demonstrated effect on sexual offenses in New Jersey, calling into question the justification for start-up and operational costs. Megan’s Law has had no effect on time to first rearrest for known sex offenders and has not reduced sexual reoffending. Neither has it had an impact on the type of sexual reoffense or first-time sexual offense. The study also found that the law had not reduced the number of victims of sexual offenses.

    The full report is available online at. https://www.ncjrs.gov/app/publications/abstract.aspx? ID=247350

    The University of Chicago Press for The Booth School of Business of the University of Chicago and The University of Chicago Law School Article DOI: 10.1086/658483

    Conclusion. The data in these three data sets do not strongly support the effectiveness of sex offender registries. The national panel data do not show a significant decrease in the rate of rape or the arrest rate for sexual abuse after implementation of a registry via the Internet. The BJS data that tracked individual sex offenders after their release in 1994 did not show that registration had a significantly negative effect on recidivism. And the D.C. crime data do not show that knowing the location of sex offenders by census block can help protect the locations of sexual abuse. This pattern of noneffectiveness across the data sets does not support the conclusion that sex offender registries are successful in meeting their objectives of increasing public safety and lowering recidivism rates.

    The full report is available online at. http://www.jstor.org/stable/full/10.1086/658483

    These are not isolated conclusions but are the same outcomes in the majority of conclusions and reports on this subject from multiple government agencies and throughout the academic community.

    People, including the media and other organizations should not rely on and reiterate the statements and opinions of the legislators or other people as to the need for these laws because of the high recidivism rates and the high risk offenders pose to the public which simply is not true and is pure hyperbole and fiction. They should rely on facts and data collected and submitted in reports from the leading authorities and credible experts in the fields such as the following.

    California Sex Offender Management Board (CASOMB) (page 38)

    Sex offender recidivism rate for a new sex offense is 1.8%

    The full report is available online at. http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&source=web&cd=1&ved= 0CCEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.cdcr.ca.gov%2FAdult_ Research_Branch%2FResearch_ documents%2FOutcome_ evaluation_Report_2013.pdf&ei= C9dSVePNF8HfoATX-IBo&usg=AFQjCNE9I6ueHz-o2mZUnuxLPTyiRdjDsQ

    Bureau of Justice Statistics 5 PERCENT OF SEX OFFENDERS REARRESTED FOR ANOTHER SEX CRIME WITHIN 3 YEARS OF PRISON RELEASE WASHINGTON, D.C.

    Within 3 years following their 1994 state prison release, 5.3 percent of sex offenders (men who had committed rape or sexual assault) were rearrested for another sex crime, the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) announced today.

    The full report is available online at. http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/rsorp94pr.cfm

    Document title; A Model of Static and Dynamic Sex Offender Risk Assessment Author: Robert J. McGrath, Michael P. Lasher, Georgia F. Cumming Document No.: 236217 Date Received: October 2011 Award Number: 2008-DD-BX-0013

    Findings: Study of 759 adult male offenders under community supervision Re-arrest rate: 4.6% after 3-year follow-up The sexual re-offense rates for the 746 released in 2005 are much lower than what many in the public have been led to expect or believe. These low re-offense rates appear to contradict a conventional wisdom that sex offenders have very high sexual re-offense rates.

    The full report is available online at. https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/236217.pdf

    Document Title: SEX OFFENDER SENTENCING IN WASHINGTON STATE: RECIDIVISM RATES BY: Washington State Institute For Public Policy.

    A study of 4,091 sex offenders either released from prison or community supervision form 1994 to 1998 and examined for 5 years Findings: Sex Crime Recidivism Rate: 2.7%

    Link to Report: http://www.oncefallen.com/files/Washington_SO_Recid_2005.pdf

    Document Title: Indiana’s Recidivism Rates Decline for Third Consecutive Year BY: Indiana Department of Correction 2009.

    The recidivism rate for sex offenders returning on a new sex offense was 1.05%, one of the lowest in the nation. In a time when sex offenders continue to face additional post-release requirements that often result in their return to prison for violating technical rules such as registration and residency restrictions, the instances of sex offenders returning to prison due to the commitment of a new sex crime is extremely low. Findings: sex offenders returning on a new sex offense was 1.05%

    Link to Report: http://www.in.gov/idoc/files/RecidivismRelease.pdf

    Once again, These are not isolated conclusions but are the same outcomes in the majority of reports on this subject from multiple government agencies and throughout the academic community. No one can doubt that child sexual abuse is traumatic and devastating. The question is not whether the state has an interest in preventing such harm, but whether current laws are effective in doing so. Megan’s law is a failure and is destroying families and their children’s lives and is costing tax payers millions upon millions of dollars. The following is just one example of the estimated cost just to implement SORNA which many states refused to do.

    From Justice Policy Institute. Estimated cost to implement SORNA Here are some of the estimates made in 2009 expressed in 2014 current dollars: California, $66M; Florida, $34M; Illinois, $24M; New York, $35M; Pennsylvania, $22M; Texas, $44M. In 2014 dollars, Virginia’s estimate for implementation was $14M, and the annual operating cost after that would be $10M.

    For the US, the total is $547M. That’s over half a billion dollars – every year – for something that doesn’t work.

    http://www.justicepolicy.org/images/upload/08-08_FAC_SORNACosts_JJ.pdf

    The Supreme Court has fed the fear of frightening high sex offender recidivism rates that has proven to be universally untrue. It’s become the “go to” source that courts and politicians rely upon for “facts” about sex offender recidivism rates that aren’t true. Its endorsement has transformed random opinions by self-interested non-experts into definitive studies offered to justify law and policy, while real studies by real scientists go unnoticed. The Court’s casual approach to the facts of sex offender re-offense rates is far more frightening than the rates themselves, and it’s high time for correction.

    The sources relied upon by the Supreme Court in Smith v. Doe, a heavily cited constitutional decision on sex offender registries, in fact provide no support at all for the facts about sex offender re-offense rates that the Court treats as central to its constitutional conclusions. This misreading of the social science was abetted in part by the Solicitor General’s misrepresentations in the amicus brief it filed in this case. The false “facts” stated in the opinion have since been relied upon repeatedly by other courts in their own constitutional decisions, thus infecting an entire field of law as well as policy making by legislative bodies. Recent decisions by the Pennsylvania and California supreme courts establish principles that would support major judicial reforms of sex offender registries, if they were applied to the actual facts.

    I think the media or other organizations need to do a in depth investigation into the false assumptions and false data that has been used to further these laws and to research all the collateral damages being caused by these laws and the unconstitutional injustices that are occurring across the country. They should include these injustices in their report so the public can be better informed on what is truly happening in this country on this subject.

    Thank you for your time.

    • Janice Bellucci

      Great post, Mike R!

    • Timmr

      Great summary of the data, Mike r. One small correction: the re-offense rates for the CASOMB data are lower than what you say. The last report (2011 to 2014 parolees gave a 0.35% re-offense rate compared to all released registrants. You are quoting the percentage derived from those returned to prison who committed a new sex offense, not out of all parolees.

    • Timmr

      Hi mike r, I was just thinking about your post today. It would be a great resource to have these studies and their summaries posted on this site for easy reference, like the state laws info. Otherwise it gets buried in the list (I thought I would make this comment before I couldn’t find your post again). Hint, hint, webmaster. For that reference purpose you can pare it down to just links and summaries. You don’t have to do it yourself. Maybe a few can get together and fact check, edit and update this list. I save articles, but they are not organized like yours, so when I am making a comment it is a little difficult to poke through files in different folders to find the right data to back up what I want to say. I don’t have that great of a memory, either.

  13. Chris F

    Cindy and Irma,

    I am glad you came here to post, and I hope that you will continue to post after learning more about the Sex Offender Registry, the people on it, and what society can do to make kids safer.

    First, the Sex Offender Registry, and all of the laws written against registrants, actually does the opposite of making kids safer.

    The government tried to make the harsh registry laws and punishments sound like a good thing, because they noted that reported sexual crimes dropped 13% across the board immediately after implementation of a public Sex Offender Registry. What they don’t mention, is that for fear of a family losing the income of a primary bread winner due to the lifetime registry, they are less likely to report the abuse until there are more victims. Once you also take into account the laws that push offenders too far from treatment, far from supportive family and friends, and the inability to get a job (since all other criminals can usually find work after 7 years but Sex Offenders can’t as long as they are on the registry), you’ll see how this system makes reform less likely and re-offence more probable.

    Basically, any other criminal can reform because they have support, and can re-integrate into society with the incentive of a normal life in the future. Sex Offenders don’t have an end to the punishments, and that removes the incentive for some to re-rehabilitate.

    I, for one, would feel my kids (2 and 4) would be much safer in a world where sex offenders have support systems, are protected by the US Constitution like other criminals, and can be rewarded with re-integration and privacy after successful therapy and supervision instead of being treated as lifetime lepers.

    • C l a r k

      Exactly.. Exactly..welcome the fine folks of Fontana and any & all cities..
      You’re saying what we’ve always said..its “punishment”.
      These fine folks know it ..
      The US 6th Circuit District Court knows it..
      Legal scholars know it. .
      We’ve always known it from day one…its ” punishment “.
      State legislators now tell the truth what everyone else KNOWS….. registered is punishment.

  14. mike r

    also explain how one of us sexually depraved cretins are going to do anything to your little precious with all you helicopter parents and hundreds of other people around….just senseless and hysteria over the boogeyman

  15. Anon 23d384e21

    @cindy,
    Maybe you should have THOUGHT 1st before you decided to have kids since SO’s have been around WAY before you decided (or didnt) to conceive. !!

  16. mike r

    I have a feeling that cindy and Irma will not be back we’ll see if either of them have the courage to get into any real debate simply because there is no winning arguments for these laws except for the same old we dont deserve rights or little Joey’s rights are more important than ours….by the way how much money has lil joey paid in taxes? what about what kind of contributions has he contributed? how many times has he voted or gave to charities or spent money in our economy? I think most of us have actually paid for our rights in numerous ways just because we made a mistake twenty years ago doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have rights and the protection of the constitution and bill of rights that we’ve all earned…

  17. USA

    Your filing this lawsuit should be commended. I really have no idea where we would be without Jsnice. I’m personally appalled at such a law would be passed. We have people with expunged/non child related and summary probation that are affected by this. Yet, we have drug dealers, wife beaters, DUI convictions, murderers and gang bangers who can still visit these schools. This law was passed due to anger/stupidity and the way law enforcement and government officials have portrayed those convicted of crimes related in sexual nature!

  18. nomore

    Stay and learn Cindy. I truly hope that nobody you love has to ever go through either side of this though.

    • FRegistryTerrorists

      Why would you want them to stay? Today, there are no informed, intelligent people who support the registries unless they are gaining something from it. Let the uneducated hate mongers cry among themselves elsewhere. F those people. All day, every day.

      • nomore

        It’s called tolerance. Most are afraid because they’re uninformed and they react to that lack of info irrationally. She may learn something. Time would tell if she can or if she’s just here to cause problems…giving that person the second chance to decide is called tolerance. Grabbing a pitchfork at the first sign of “trouble” is what THEY do. Besides, it’s words… we have the power to control how we feel about them. Try not to let them control you.

        • FRegistryTerrorists

          I understand exactly what you are saying. But it would be nice to have one or two forums where Registry Terrorists have no voice at all. They can go onto other forums and vomit their stupidity. Truly it would be best for them if they could access this site in “read only” mode only. Let them learn some facts for a change and shut their stupid, uninformed, yapping mouths.

          As far as tolerance for people who support the Registries, I am done with them. They don’t deserve it. I am beating them and I don’t have to worry about tolerating them. They are not my fellow citizens and I do not have to have any concern about driving them into the ground. That is how they have treated me, my spouse, and my children.

          Registry Terrorists exist to improve my life. That’s all. They will work for me (if I let them) and they will live where I own. Even if they don’t know it.

      • Chris F

        That attitude won’t help us. Letting all of the sheep blindly follow what the news and politicians tell them isn’t going to make lives any better for registered Sex Offenders or any safer for any children in this country.

        If an uneducated hate monger takes the first step of coming here to be educated, why would we not encourage that? Those people posted here knowing this place is filled with those against their uneducated beliefs and yet they still came here. That shows they made more effort than 99% of the misinformed public and should be encouraged, not banished from our playground like they banish us from theirs.

        • David Kennerly

          Well, I think the question is not whether or not they can read the posts here and, possibly, learn something new. After all, it is a website freely available to read. The issue is if they should be allowed to spread their poison here, perhaps the only place not yet poisoned by their ascendant ignorance. I would recommend, given that this site is moderated and for what we must assume are meritorious reasons, that they not be allowed to envenomate this one outpost.

          We need this unique place whose parameters for discussion are not defined by obsessives and bigots, overwhelming in their abundance though they are.

          I think that you would find their influence on this site to be malign, and not illuminating or expansive. It would not be in aid of the consciousness raising which we must see as crucial to our cause. They are the reason why there has been so little free speech to this day. They are themselves contemptuous of speech; let’s not let them rant here.

          • Chris F

            If they truly kept coming here to rant the same hate over and over without responding to our rebuttal and questions, then I would agree to banish their input.

            However, I would prefer to give them a chance to start a dialog before judging them to be unable to communicate intelligently and actually see if they can debate real issues.

            If we ban their type of posts from the get-go, then we can’t complain when child advocacy sites ban us from their sites.

            • David Kennerly

              Are we unable to arrive at that conclusion, i.e. that they are “ranting the same hate” over-and-over based upon their original messages? That’s precisely why I would exclude their speech because they have already confirmed their membership as ideological messengers of hate, if you will.

              Being able to discern that hatred is an ability which we should develop rather more, not less.

              It’s not as though their speech is simply unavailable in the world; indeed, it is the only speech which is broadly construed as acceptable today. Let’s not lose sight, in our commendable impulses of inclusivity and free speech, of the need to construct a community and an organization capable of fighting intolerance and injustice.

              Time is a finite resource and we would do well to direct that limited resource to those things crucial to this community’s development rather than to assuming that everyone has something worth responding to or congratulating them that their vitriol demands thoughtful responses from us. They do not.

              Timmr makes the argument that engaging with them helps us to develop effective strategies in countering their arguments. That’s the best argument which could be made in defense of their inclusion but I would say they should be gained outside of this forum, as some are already doing.

              Recently, I wrote a post, which the moderator here chose not to publish, which may well have been unnecessarily peevish. It was certainly too irritable in its reaction to endless rants which some feel obliged to burden us with on a daily basis.

              The moderator was right in not publishing my post. This is an official website of an organization which gets to define itself and the range of acceptable discourse which it is willing to sponsor.

              • Chris F

                I guess we’ll just have to disagree on this, and leave it to the moderators.

                If Cindy and Irma had the guts to post here where they are obviously the minority then one could hope they at least feel they have some rational basis backing up what they want to say. Those are the types that are against us that I would like to start a dialog with in order to see what supposed facts they are hanging their beliefs on, and either learn from it or correct them and let them learn from us.

                But no, I don’t want a wave of negative hate mongers flooding the comments either.

        • Timmr

          Truly, and when we go “out in public”, we are going to hear similar or worse, and this is as good and safe a place as any to practice responses.
          I have seen this happen before in civil rights movements. If the opposition would just remain quiet, the job of the activists is harder. Instead we get emotional responses that actual prove our point (say, like like these advocates for registration confirmating that registration is punishment). It is a war of words and a war of images.

          • Punished For Life

            Timmr,
            You stated (say, like these advocates for registration confirmating that registration is punishment).
            That will be what gets us out of this mess for sure. Some of the hate they spew may be tough to tolerate, but every time someone says we deserve the “Punishment”, that’s one more step in the direction that will fix the punitive nature of the registry. (Hopefully it will then be gone.) If society solidifies the fact that the registry is punishment, then the SCOTUS will have not no other option than to agree.

            • Timmr

              It is like it with blacks, they said they were biologically different and the Jim Crow laws kept the harmony between competing races, it had nothing to do with hate; it is like the gays, the laws are just upholding traditional moral values and have nothing to do with hatred. And the courts held onto the laws because of their stated good intent. But the hate mongers could not keep silent, they went beyond the laws and acted the laws out violently. Although this didn’t enter into the cloistered civility of the courtroom it could not be denied being spoken and acted out in the streets. And the last to see, the judges, could not help but recognize there was no calm and order, it was a construct, an illusion of pragmatism, but there was indeed shouting and blood in the streets because of the laws.

        • FRegistryTerrorists

          It would be fine if they all came here to be educated. There is just no reason to let them speak. Let them listen for a change.

          Also, there is no need to talk with them here. The talking can be done at the original article. Which is where everyone should be posting comments anyway, for everyone to see. Few people are going to venture here. Why are people not posting at the original article (and it could be copied here)?

          I think if every time a sheep read a “sex offender” news article and then sees 500 comments against it, THAT would make those sheep start to think twice. People need to see that the families that are listed on these Registries are absolutely not going to take their attacks without making them impotent and retaliating against them. That is what they need to see – politicians and their law enforcement criminals need to see that the several million people (literally) that they are harassing are telling them to shove it and that they will take action against them. In real life, and make it matter.

          • Chris F

            I see people from here comment on many of the original articles.

            I believe this news article is generated here, and we are at the original site that it is posted on by commenting here.

            • FRegistryTerrorists

              Yes, you are right about this specific article.

              I didn’t make it very clear what I saying but I think that people like Cindy and Irma end up on this website from reading an article in a newspaper or other media source. I was referring to those articles. We should be able to easily get 100 different people commenting on each article. It would be overwhelming. There is an article about this in the Fontana Herald and 4 people commented. From looking at that it seems like there is little interest in the topic at all.

  19. mike r

    ya they’re not coming back they just wanted to spout their hate they have in their hearts that was either distilled in them in their childhood or they have had such a miserable life that all they know is hate…i pity em but I will never feel sorry for them because of what they are doing to good people that just made a mistake in life…

    • Chuck Schultz

      Actually, I think that Cindy and Irma are here silently. I don’t think they expected us to respond with such attention and facts; and with such agression. I believe they’re unable to respond because they don’t have a rebuttal. I’m sure they are aware at this stage that just posting angry rants and spewing hostility doesn’t go without justification here. And they know they just can’t be justified.

  20. 72FLH

    Cindy , I don’t even know what say you , I understand what your saying and all that , but you never said if you was a victim or ? and really I have made it appoint in my live not to listen or care what anyone say in this matter in less they are a victim , because the victim and my self have many things in common , we both understand what it feels like to feel and live in fear all the way to our spirt , and people that live in fear because of something bad that happed to them deal with the choice to grow and become strong and sound , and then move on in their with an old shadow , that they can stand in that shadow OR choose to step out of it and in to the sun ,, my crime was over 30 years ago , and seen myself as a monster , watched family walk away that I was raised with and turn their backs on me rather than stand by my side as I would have for them with out even a waver of thought , but it was me that burned that bridge I found my self alone and broken and not knowing how to fix my self , setting in a prison cell for over 5 years , in that time I had to fight for my very life many times , prison guards making life hell , and no matter what I could not walk away from my fears because I still had to be the monster in order to survie , not because I wanted to be a monster , no choice for me , when I got out I went to work hard at it like I could somehow sweat the stench of the prison out of my skin some how wash all this fear away , but I moved on and found the most wonderful person in the world , and she became my wife and her little ones became mine , and she would soon give birth to our new son , soon we moved on down the road , new job new life with that shadow hanging behind me , and I stepped in to the light and was living , next thing I know I find out about a web site for sex offenders , and my blood went cold , the very next day when I got up to go to work and could feel something bugging me , it was fear! fear for my family because I knew how cold Humans could be when they were witch hunting , when I went out side the first thing I seen was paint on my porch steps just a few feet away my dog “SUNNY” lay in the dirt beaten to death ! at first my heat sunk and I had to hurry because the kids would be out the door in just a few min so I had to carry our family dog once full of life and love for everyone , I am sure he just walked right up the people wanting to be pet . I ran with him so I could hide him so the kids did not have to deal with the what happed , and when I started to walk back to my house and that’s when I seen what the paint was for , in bright red paint on the front of the house was big letters all over it said rapeo rapeo rapeo pedo pedo , I had to load the kids up in my truck that was trashed at my back door and act as if nothing was wrong even though I was heart broken and full of fear , I drop the kids off at a friends house to hag out for the day with their kids for the day , me and my buddy went back to my house and we repainted the house , buried our dog “SUNNY” and it turned worse , my kids were being pushed around in school , we watched their grades go down , my wife had her nose broken by some internet witch hunter at the gas mart she worked at , and I snapped !! the cop were short and did nothing , the monster was back and my back was against the wall , so I found the piece of dung that hit my wife over something I did years before , I had to ask myself was it my fault that my wife was harmed because something I did in my passed ? “maybe so” I am still out on that , but at what point is it people need to look at being responsible about well meaning laws that harm other people? , because of the many that will miss use those laws in the name of just being a hater , but any way I found the guy and broke his face , one hit one KO , I went home and the cops were their 5 min before I even got home , and I drove strait from broken face to home too, no stops ! they took me to jail , 50k bond , and in court 3k fine , yet broken face was never charged for braking my very kind wifes nose , 7k to fix it , we moved in that year 4 times , everything we owned got trashed by fools , 58 pan head Harley that my father helped me build years before he died , and I had to sell to pay my bills with the money because I could not keep a job , they would always find out I was on the witch hunters list , and to this day me and my family live in fear the victim of not just what I did many years ago , but a victim of laws passed by corrupt leaders that make a killing off of fear they keep selling to victims and keep them fear full , keep them prisoner to that shadow, keep them consumed , taking their freedom away by not showing them that the things that happed to them is not glow in the dark stamped on their for head and they are free to step out in the light ! but not many “EX” sex offenders you all seem to be so fond of those words , but its time that we as ex offenders stop having to live in fear , its unjust that we be sent to prison do our time do crazy prole , and strive to pick up the life we broke and become citizens with our rights restored in full , this is why its important that I only listen to victims , not a bunch of unfeeling haters , this is the most I have ever said to non victims ,

    • rick

      That’s just awful and ugly, I feel for you, and it is our own so called government that allows this to continue. When I first got out, I moved into a boarding house on the first floor, some guy that knew of my case lived in the same house. One night he was drunk and talking crap about me just outside my window that was open. He was almost halfway in my window, threatening to come in and hurt me. While he was in the window I thought to myself, I could kill this guy and claim self defense. But then I thought, the jury would only have pity on that guy and probably convict me. Where I live you have to flee if possible to use self defense. So I let it go, and he finally left. Years later I discovered he was on the sex offender registry, talk about irony? Yea, he had a lot of anger problems, his father who was a cop really messed him up.

      Those were probably the kind of people you were dealing with, they’re not afraid of us, they use their built up anger at life and direct it towards us since the government allows them to. You can’t really justify this fear theory because these people know a sex offender or potential sex offender are all around them. And they can be anyone. Not to mention all of the other dangers life offers. Look, we all know why they have done this, because they can, clear abuse of power, nothing more. Now it’s up to us to change it. We have to become publicly loud. Get signs, picket, we can’t show the same kind of fear they do and hide. I’m getting ready to do some of this stuff, if I get hurt so be it. I just can’t accept this nonsense much longer, and if I’m going to suffer, I want the world to know. I hope it gets better for you, but as long as you can, you have to fight for your rights, just like everyone else.😋

      • 72FLH

        Rick . I can tell you I am sick of these internet stalkers hiding behind the law dogs when they just run their mouths , scare my wife , trash my cars , trucks , and yes to many motorcycles to count , killed 1 , dog , harmed every dog I have had if they are out of my sight , and try to stand up and protect me and mine , just to end up in jail paying fines out the ass , and when I am sitting in jail whos going to protect my wife and family ! the Cops? lol , and this is just my little family , man when I think of what others must be going through as well , it drives me nuts ! our kids don’t matter , our grand kids don’t matter , they got one word almost right , Justus , need to turn that word into 2 words for these witch hunters , “JUST US” ,

        • Rick

          Nearly one million potential soldiers and growing, if we’re no longer Americans then we have to consider creating our own country, right here. The Indians have there own land. If they don’t want to be around us, then we have a right to separate facilities of every kind, including a country. Since the entire country is so afraid of us. I feel for you, but I can tell you if that was happening to me, I would have set them up, and hopefully did serious harm to them. Like I said, I don’t handle fear well, and violence is the great American way, but unless you do something to me, your good to go.

          There are only a few types of so’s I really have any concerns about related to safety. Those who break into your home or abduct people, and naturally killers. That’s just reality, but if they are given a second chance by the legal system, then so be it. I just don’t want to know, if the cops do fine, but don’t put that concern on me, there are to many other things to worry about.

          It was that way nationally for a long, long time, and registries only generated unnecessary fear. I’ve never heard of a case where the registries prevented a crime, but I’ve heard a lot of cases where it has caused crimes. That’s why I’ve lost all respect for this nation, our own government sanctions the fear and crime. Another sad but true reality. I’m so sorry you and your family have to endure these kinds of civil disobedience and criminal behavior. But your right, they can hide behind the law and community inaction. But I give you and your family credit for sticking together, 😉

          • 72FLH

            Rick ,,, you live west coast or east or what man , you dang sure got the right idea , you remind me of this dude on here that just lays it down to the ground , I respect you and him both for that , your words hold much power for many to see I wish you well in our fight for freedom ,

  21. laura beth

    After a parent sucessfully completes parole or probation, they have the RIGHT to raise their own children and participate in providing their kids’ education. This just shows how unconstitutional the sex offender registry and Megan’s Law has become.

    • steven

      Well, with the parole terms now extending 10 years, 20 years and even “life” parole: even that may not be fair. Something needs to be done about these ridiculous durations of parole. Maximum of 5 years is more than enough. Then let the person move on with his or her life. After all, they’ve already paid their sentence in prison.

  22. kat

    If litigation is the only avenue that sex offenders have to maintain their rights and to get back those that they seem to be losing everyday, then, litigation it is.

    Janice is doing what needs to be done, taking it to court, and I couldn’t be more grateful.

    Keep hitting them in the wallet and sooner or later we will see change. Sex offenders are one of the last groups that society has turned a blind-eye to and that the government has ignored when it comes to discrimination.
    I say, NO More. We need to take all justifiable actions to the courts. Enough is enough. We will no longer be treated or allow our loved ones to be treated as “less than”! If it takes hitting them in the wallet to force change, then that’s what we need to do.

  23. Chuck

    Cindy and Irma;

    Sometimes things are expressed through other people in better ways than we can create ourselves. I’d like to share with you some quote’s I’ve read through the years I’ve found interesting and were things that I struggled to say with conviction, only to find these held the same sentiments I felt. I don’t remember who said them but they remain with me and remind me everyday!

    “Good parents don’t need sex offender registries.”

    “If you enjoy your Rights, don’t violate the Rights of others! If you do then get in line behind those being violated; because yours are next!”

    …And then one that reminds us that this IS punishment stated by one political lobbyist after the Three (3) Strikes Law was repealed:

    “We now can use this law how it was intended; to PUNISH sex offenders.”

    I hope you may both find peace from all of your anger and hatred. It would benefit you to study up on Constitutional Law. Until then, please stay away from me and my family and friends. I don’t trust you and your kind; your public views breed violence and you’re all too prepared to violate any person’s fundamental, God given Rights for your personal agenda; whether it be public safety or political gain.

    • FRegistryTerrorists

      Hell yes! Well said.

      No doubt that Registry Terrorists are dangerous people.

  24. Timmr

    You guys are great at arguing — no doubt about it, basically civil, well informed, rational, persuasive. Any who come on this site all teeth bared and snarling, expecting us to be vulnerable, tails between our legs, I notice they sheath their claws, turn their little cotton tails and run for threir lives. It’s great!

  25. wonderin

    Bellingham parents withdraw kids from Catholic school over sex offender controversy.
    http://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/local/article108369317.html

    • Timmr

      Thank you, I read that and found facecrook plugin and could not comment directly, which we should all try to do. I sent a note to the author’s email saying the comment policy is de facto censorship of registrant speech. Would more of us do this, we might affect some change.

      • Will A

        Good idea to complain to all people who use Facebook for anything. Governments should never be allowed to use it. Those who do should be sued for restricting citizen access.

        That said, you should get a Facebook account and comment. Easy to do.

      • wonderin

        @Timmr
        I agree that it’s deplorable that so many of these types of websites are using the facebook comment plugin. As thoughtful as your email to the author was, I doubt it will have any effect.
        More and more of these sites use a Facebook theme complete with their ready made plugins to induce sharing and ratings.
        I opened a phony Facebook acct a while back to respond to to these type of articles so that might be something you might like to do.

        • Timmr

          I sent an email to the journalist. He responded that he would like to hear what I and other registrants thought, so I told him. He’s the one that writes the stories.
          I don’t want to support facebook by adding to their client list, even with a fake name. I don’t care for the rating of people’s comments, just how informative are the responses to them. Facebook and social media in general is turning dialogue into crowd bating. The next fascist leader is going to love these propaganda tools. It seems the local news outlets use facebook solely, the national ones seeking a less provincial and more cosmopolitan audience, have other options one can use. If enough people complain, then there is a better chance of getting more options and increasing the voice of registrants.

  26. mike r

    cindy and Irma…lmfao…..status qou cowards who never had a original thought in their lives…simpleton sheeple….knew they were to weak nd feeble minded to come back and try and support their stance with some kind of evidence……disgusting

    • Chuck Schultz

      mike r
      Cindy and Irma, I’m sure if they even tried, couldn’t find any evidence to justify their position. And it’s their weak standing that lead them away from here. But it’s raised a question to ask; does the American general public believe that registration is punishment? If we ask Cindy & Irma the answer is yes. They’ve used the term many times to describe the registry. Another question is; can we bring this inquiry to the public? & if the public says “Yes, the registry is punishment” then it should be found unconstitutional & unlawful & should therefor be discredited & dismantled. Does anybody have any feedback on this?

      • Chuck Schultz

        …and the public should be educated on the process. For instance, should a registrant fail his civil duty he’s arrested and jailed, brought into a criminal court of law by a district attorney and judge to face felony charges which, if convicted, carries a possible three year sentence in state prison. Described this way, can the average intelligent person come to the conclusion that this, in fact, is punishment?

        • New Person


          Described this way, can the average intelligent person come to the conclusion that this, in fact, is punishment?

          When a California Judge doesn’t see it this way b/c the SCOTUS said it’s not punitive, then the rest of the laymen will follow suit and say it’s not punishment b/c SCOTUS says so.

          • Chuck Schultz

            Here’s my point, it was an uneducated, unknowing public who voted for this law. They relied on the lobbyist & legislators for their information. It comes to no surprise by anyone here all infomation about SO’s is lied about and exaggerated in words to benefit the legislation being proposed. Now armed with the true facts and evidence maybe we are ready to start a
            campaign for Liberty. We shouldn’t rely on an uninformed public to shape our lives because those in office will make sure to propose the most punitive of measures against us. Why? Because it’s an easy sell. The public supports ever increasing tougher laws and the worse the crime the more public support it receives. Now it’s going to be difficult to get a politician to say they were wrong. They enter office only after they have sworn by oath to protect our rights. But it’s okay for me to admit that I was misled and coerced into thinking that based on the information I was provided that I could make a rational decision on the subject. When in fact the studies and numbers now aquired show just the opposite. Cindy and Irma have admitted that registration is punishment, which makes me think that much more of the population believes it. I’d like the country to vote on it. I didn’t say I want to take it to court so some f**kin’ a**hole who needs votes in the next election can ignore our rights, AGAIN! But if we can get a good % of the people to say it is punishment (and we should only ask the ?) then we might lay the foundation on which to challenge the registry on constitutional grounds. Am I just delusional? Does anyone else have any comments or feedback?

  27. JCLASER

    As someone who is not allowed to enter my 5 & 6 year old’s schools for any purpose even for a one on one parent teach conference I think the state law needs to be challenged.

    Garden Grove is also doing illegal unconstitutional policies.

    I inquired with the principal of my children’s school and she was open to me participating with my children’s education. UNTIL the school district and the police caught wind of it. She was told to tell me that if I step on school property I will be arrested. IF I want to come onto school property I must give months of notice and have the police do a full investigation to determine whether I have committed any more crimes. ALSO, The principal will need to come up with a plan for me to use the restroom walk through the halls and enter and exit the building walking me all the way to the sidewalk. So basically she told me and my wife it is a nuisance to do all of that and she doesn’t want to do it. WTF?

    The law states all I need is a letter from the principal. She was open to it until a bunch of “better safe than sorry” idiots got involved adding a bunch more requirements.

    THIS LAW NEEDS TO BE CHALLENGED AT ALL LEVELS!!

    • Will A

      I have had 100% success of correcting illegal behavior by sending written communications to any entities (including law enforcement) that are violating any laws. I have done it many times over the years. Of all the times, I had an attorney do it once.

      The way that I have done it is to completely stick to the facts and keep it as clear and brief as possible. I state that I am looking for a clarification, correction of their actions, or whatever. I also ensure that I send it to all parties that might have a stake in the issue. I think it is very important to include their attorneys.

      At worst, you should get a confirmation in writing that they are violating laws. But every time that I have done it, instead of that, they have corrected their actions.

    • wonderin

      JCLASER wrote: “UNTIL the school district and the police caught wind of it. ”
      May I enquire how they got wind of it?

      • JCLASER

        To wonderin:

        I believe the principal probably had a rule or obligation to speak with the police, city attorneys or school district prior to letting me participate and come onto campus. When she did so she was told by the city attorneys and police to tell me everything that she did.

        The one part that really blew me away is…. “The police would have to open a new sex crimes investigation into you.” What? With not one soul saying I’ve done anything to them? Where is the probable cause to start an investigation?? According to that logic they can knock on anyone’s door and say “Hi, I’m hear to start my investigation into you because this is the house I randomly stopped in front of.”

        They know I would never consent to or participate in such a thing. That’s how they ensure I will never even try to gain access to the school grounds. I’m not going to have ALL of my family especially my children subjected to all of that. Ridiculous.

        • wonderin

          Interesting!
          She couldn’t just give you a permission slip based on her own opinion. So much for leadership?

    • Joe

      While you may not be allowed to set foot on your children’s school for any reason, including teacher conferences, you may find comfort in the fact that any common, violent, repeat criminal not only may do so, some get celebrated for their attendance.

      I meant to post this last winter but it slipped my mind.

      http://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/la-sp-westchester-fairfax-basketball-20160123-column.html

      ps. My prediction – merely saying “this must get challenged” will see you miss your children’s entire school careers.

  28. JCLASER

    Joe, well no duh. You have the money to lend me to fight it? Is it worth it to poor everything I have into it SELL MY HOUSE, SELL OUR CARS, SELL MY GUITARS, SELL EVERY DAMN THING IN MY LIFE if in the end I live in a one bedroom apartment and have nothing left? How is that being a good father to my children? They’re first not me. It makes no sense to give them a poor quality of life fighting for something that I want to do.

    Unless you can give me the money to fight, it is much better to provide my children with a great life financially and leave the school thing alone. GOT AN ATTORNEY THAT WANTS TO GO PRO BONO ON IT? Otherwise keep the wise ass unmotivating comments to yourself. Gracias.

    • Rick

      To JCLASER

      If you have money it only takes a couple hundred bucks to write and submit your own city, or state lawsuit. If you don’t have money it’s nearly free. Reading your posts you appear to have enough legal skills and writing skills to put one together. Lots of samples online or at the library. Money is not the problem, it’s a choice not to get involved and to depend on others. Do you want to explain to your kids one day why you never filed a lawsuit and tried to change the law. You are doing exactly what they want, nothing.

      • Timmr

        Can you elaborate on this, Rick? I was under the impression filing a lawsuit was expensive and difficult, but I can see the value to exercising our right to petition our government for redress of grievances when we become aware of it and not wait on someone to come carry our cross. We all would be better knowing this. Can you give us some examples? Give a short blog? Teach us.

        • Rick

          Get online, type in sample lawsuits for your state. Stick to one or two issues, because it can get complex if you use more. It will tell you all about them and give examples. If you need help writing it, I can help.

          • Timmr

            I’d like to be walked through, can you give a specific example? What does it mean “type in sample lawsuits for your state.” Sometimes I have to see something before I get it.

    • Will A

      You can spend less than $1 and often get problems corrected. Send a certified letter to them, their legal counsel, and anyone who oversees them (e.g. Board of Education). Entities feel obligated to respond in writing (and they should) and *every* time that I have done it they have responded in writing. And no one wants to put in a written response that they are breaking any law or deny anything that can be proven that they are doing. If they do, or they don’t correct the action, then you can sue them. And use the letter in the lawsuit.

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