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Survey – International Travel after IML

If you have traveled to a foreign country after President Obama signed HR 515 / International Megan’s Law into law on February 8, 2016, please complete this survey to help gather details about the effects of this legislation. We will also share this data with the RTAG group for incorporation into their travel matrix. Thank you.

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  1. NY Level 1

    I am about to apply to have my passport renewed. There is a box on the where you have to fill in for criminal details if any.

    Has anyone recently applied for a renewal? Any info please?

    Thanks

    • anonymouse

      Here is the official renewal form.

      http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/212241.pdf

      I see no question about listing any criminal convictions. What form are you looking at?

      ps. apply for a passport card as well and see what happens. Report back.

      • Anonymous Nobody

        Actually, that form online DOES ask about criminal convictions. It makes some statements and instructs that you line it out if it is false and add a full explanation. And here is one of the statements:

        “Furthermore, I have not been convicted of a federal or state drug offense or convicted for “sex tourism” crimes statute, and I am not the subject of an outstanding federal, state, or local warrant of arrest for a felony; a criminal court order forbidding my departure from the United States; a subpoena received from the United States in a matter involving federal prosecution for, or grand jury investigation of, a felony.”

        Yes, that is somewhat limited — although I don’t know just what the “sex tourism crimes statute” says, it might address all sex offenses for all I know. I alert, being as the disclosures with this application are so limited, yet we KNOW they are checking for all sex offenses under IML, I think this LACK of sufficient disclosure would certainly make the entirety of the IML challengable. They absolutely are going to check out entire rap sheet and pick any sex offenses off of it, as per IML — any sex offense, not only those that will get the special notice. The related disclosure:

        “ROUTINE USES:
        This information may be disclosed to another domestic government agency, a private contractor, a foreign government agency, or to a private person or private employer in accordance with
        certain approved routine uses. These routine uses include, but are not limited to, law enforcement activities, employment verification, fraud prevention, border security, counterterrorism, litigation activities, and activities that meet the Secretary of State’s responsibility to protect U.S. citizens
        and non-citizen nationals abroad. More information on the Routine Uses for the system can be found
        in System of Records Notices State-05, Overseas Citizen Services Records and State-26, Passport Records.”

        Notice it specifically saying it may disclose the information, including the criminal information, to a foreign government agency.

        I also find what it says about the passport book interesting, I noted that now carries an electronic chip in the back with all your info, as if it were the passport card. I suspect they will be putting info in that chip to identify all registrants, regardless of whether they use a visually obvious identifier or not. This is one of the things the judge in the IML case wanted to know.

        • Joe

          That was not the question. Original poster said “There is a box on the where you have to fill in for criminal details if any.”. Respondent reports seeing none such box.

          Actually, I remember this from earlier this year when I looked it up. Allow me to copy and post my comment (which I found thanks to the dandy search function on the right that apparently includes comments):

          =================

          Federal law permits the Secretary of State to deny or revoke the issuance of passports only in certain circumstances, including, but not limited to, when the individual
          – is subject to a criminal court order, condition of probation, or condition of parole, any of which forbids departure from the United States and the violation of which could result in the issuance of a federal warrant of arrest, including a warrant issued under the Federal Fugitive Felon Act;
          – is over $2,500 delinquent in child support;
          – is delinquent in certain State debts;
          – has an outstanding felony warrant;
          – has an outstanding foreign felony warrant;
          – is subject to an extradition request that has been presented to a foreign country;
          – has been declared legally incompetent;
          – used a passport or crossed an international border to commit an act based on which the individual was subsequently convicted of certain drug trafficking crimes, but only during the period the individual is imprisoned or on parole or supervised release;
          – used a passport or crossed an international border to commit an act based on which the individual was subsequently convicted under the federal “sex tourism” statute, but only during the period the individual is imprisoned or parole or supervised release.

          http://www.gao.gov/assets/310/305432.pdf p.4, with applicable sections in the footnotes

          I would not worry about it. No, I would love to see them try and revoke the passport of a US Citizen not charged with a crime, not on parole or probation or owing certain debts. Bring it!!

          (I recently read that an IRS debt of a certain amount is added to the criteria above, which is another discussion for another day).

          Copying and pasting this I notice that there IS in existence a provision to restrict the passport for a convicted sex tourist or international drug smuggler – while that person is under supervision. That almost makes sense.

          Why the need for IML???

          http://all4consolaws.org/2016/01/congress-reschedules-hr-515-vote-for-february-1/#comment-144134

          =================

          I was, however, wrong on how far this already has gone. I point out that this comment was written before the President signed this abomination, before Judge Hamilton (?) dismissed for all eternity a lawsuit that she claimed was pre-mature (wtf), and before the State Dept announced they would not issue passport cards.

          I really thought this really really could not happen in ‘Murica. Wrong I am.

          • Will A

            I remember being completely surprised when my state passed its first “residency restrictions” laws. But of course I have since come to learn that the governments and the people in them are nothing but a bunch of un-American, scumbag criminals.

            This will all continue until we stand up and smash their stupid faces in.

            This is war. Every day. Don’t miss one day.

            • Notgivingup

              Will, you said what many here think, Yes this is a war but most still believe faith and the Justice system will do the right thing, but they wont. They will continue this crap until we are dead or the 850,000 and growing plus their families take a real stand. The Facts are most RCs are NOT a danger and our corrupt system knows this but they do not care. Someone once said, which would you rather have, hundreds of thousands of people being productive, working, paying taxes, being law abiding or have them so beat down they just take what they want.

          • Eric Knight

            The point is not about the denial of passports. The point is about how IML will mark such passports, definitely alerting the visiting country about the registration status of the individual, and creating a situation where the country is not only justified but legally mandated to reject such visitors. Just as residency restrictions could NEVER have happened without an Internet database to fan the hysteria among the sheeple, such a mark on the passport will only work to inflame each country’s officials into this Gestopian nightmare.

            • Tired of this

              It will not only infringe on our ability to travel (you can tell a lot about a country based on how free its citizens are to come and go), but make it impossible to emigrate and start over in another country. It will become a matter of trying to escape, ala North Korea. Let that sink in.

              • Punished For Life

                Tired of this:
                A very fair comparison!
                Frank

              • Tired Of Hiding

                Indeed…I am might be trying to get out before Trump gets that wall finished!

                What a joke the government has become…well, always has been, but is finally out in the open as being a dysfunctional bunch of sociopaths.

    • robert m

      where are you renewing it from? online? or will you go to the post office. some one posted it online and i dont see anything for criminal record either. just wondering yes please post your results here, many people are very curious as well as myself, thanks and good luck

    • Quint

      This just popped up on the Tokyo Embassy’s website:

      “Effective October 1, 2016, a Social Security number (SSN) will be required for all passport applications. This requirement comes from the Fixing America’s Surface Transportation Act (FAST Act). The FAST Act requires passports to be denied and/or revoked for persons with seriously delinquent tax debt and/or those persons who submit a passport application without a correct and valid Social Security number.”

    • NY Level 1

      The online form that does not ask questions re convictions is only good for passports that were issued within the last 15 years. Mine was issued 1999. The option left is to use the form that DOES make you fill out answers re convictions and details.

    • Living Now

      I renewed my passport about a month ago and had no problems. In fact, I got the new passport within a week (no scarlet letter).

  2. David

    I applied a year ago. ‘Got both the passport and the card. Encountered no problems at all.
    (I don’t recall answering anything regarding criminal convictions.)
    [Convicted felony involving teenager, 20 yrs. ago. On “Cali-forever” Registry.]

    • David

      UPDATE: I just returned from a trip to Europe. I encountered no problems with Swedish & French customs/border control. My secondary screening at LAX upon return was just two questions: “Is this your current address? And how long have you lived in California?”
      That’s all. (It caused me to wonder if the officer was simply doing the secondary screening because he was required to. So he could now confirm that he had done so, as required of him.) BTW, I was not subjected to a search of my luggage or my cellphone.

      • Leo

        Im RSO for life.I just got my passport at the end of August 2016 and it’s expires in another 10 years. I don’t see the “unique idenfier” on there. My girlfriend is from Indonesia. She and I are planning to go on vacation in Indonesia for 2 months. What should I do? Should I give 21 prior notification? Is Indonesia going turn me away?

        • Rob

          You can give 21 day notice, it won’t hurt to be on the safe side. if your wondering if giving a 21 day notice lessens your chances of getting into a country because they have ample time to notify the country your traveling to, it does not. I have traveled internationally twice and never gave any notice to anyone. One time i was excepted and the other time denied, they notify through the itinerary from the flight. Here is the thing you should be aware of and to me traveling to Indonesia to me is not worth the rstress, unless you have money to spare. Being turned away from the Dominican Republic to begin our expensive vacation was devastating emotionally because there was not a damn thing I could do, I had to take it. Not only did I lose out on a vacation, i can live with that but my GF who works very hard and looked forward to this for a long time, that devastation was almost to much. The flight home is brutal. We only had a short flight home but I can tell you if I was on the very long flight to Indonesia and than had to travel back on the same long expensive flight, that is more than I would want to take and think about how upset your GF will be.
          I would tell her to go it alone. Indonesia would probably turn you away. Go to the RTAG website to see if people have traveled to the country.

  3. Will A

    It would be interesting if the survey asked if the IML is affecting future travel.

    I would very, very possibly not plan trips 3 weeks in advance and as I understand it, it is now a requirement to notify the federal criminal regime that far in advance of any trip.

    I also definitely will be considering destinations based on the effects of the federal criminal regime notifying foreign governments.

    • David

      @ Will A: I submitted my 21-day advance notice. The European countries I just visited didn’t seem to give a rat’s ass about the U.S.’s IML/Angel Watch green notices.

      • Will A

        Truly enlightened people and countries already recognize the U.S. and their “sex offender” idiocy for what it is. Only ignorant rubes or people who have something to gain for it support it.

        • Leo

          Yeah, fellows another thing peeves me is these political pricks and cops can do anything they wish and never even get charged. One investigator for the D.A. office got caught in Atlanta with 2 underage girls and meth.. Was on the news and papers. He remained the investigator for a month or so until he was appointed head of drug task force. In the same Gilmer County GA. While living in north Dakota I read into a lawbook here, it had a section ‘punishments for lawyers’. I seen how one had after the 4th complaint of sexual harassment been punished by his lawyer license suspended for 30 days. Another after his 3rd sexual thing and his not paying taxes for 10 years was punished by his license suspended for 60 days..nothing was said he had to pay the taxes.

  4. PK

    I think the Survey is a somewhat buried within the post, but after reading carefully, I did find the link to the Survey. It may be helpful to have that Survey Link as a Link on the Menu perhaps?

  5. Stephen

    Cuba is starting to look better to me, and Castro once said he would take any American that wanted to live there.

    • O.A.L.

      Does anyone else see the irony in what is happening here. People used to seek asylum here to avoid tyrranical laws. Now people are in exile around the world in order to avoid imprisonment for speaking out and exposing the corrupt U.S. Government. Cuba is looking better every day. More power to all our brothers and sisters around the globe that fight for human interests, not corporate ones.

    • Eric Knight

      Not to throw a wet blanket onto the mix, but the Cuban dissidants are still being held without cause, no Internet is allowed (though they may allow it for American expatriates, ironically), and any monies through pension, income, or bank reserves can (and most probably will) be confiscated or highly taxed. While the irony for RC’s and the freedom to travel may be apparent, Cuba’s “freedom” is only a power grab by the crony Castro/Obama/Trump elites to milk as much money out of the US government and citizens as possible.

  6. USA

    So, what countries has anyone recently travelled to? I plead to a battery over 20 years ago/not child related/expunged. I’ve had no issues visiting Canada/Costa Rica/Dominican Republic and the Philippines. This was 2-3 years ago. If I’m not mistaken, this law affects child related offenses? Please only respond if your truly knowledgeable. Thank you

    • David

      @ USA: I just returned from Sweden and France this week. I had no problems with customs/border control in either country. Secondary U.S.Customs screening upon arrival at LAX was fast, just two questions (no search of me, my cellphone, or luggage). [felony involving minor; 20 years ago]

      • James

        Dear David:
        If you don’t mind, could you let us know how you gave your advance 21 day notice? Earlier this year when I thought I might be going to Rome, though the trip had to be canceled, I called the Detective in charge and told him my plans verbally, he told me back that this wasn’t necessary.

        More recently, when I purchased a new car, I gave notice to the Detective through his email….this seemed an elegant solution; it is time stamped and dated and pretty well accepted, (I think), and I sensed that certified mail would have made him unhappy.

        All of us are just feeling our way forward on a lot of this stuff as best we can because LEA really doesn’t tell us much, and, to be honest, I am not sure how much I would rely on their advice even if they gave it.

        So I go to the only person in CA that I know actually gave 21 day notice, You….(grin), and ask how you did it…this is not binding or legal advice or anything from you….I am just curious how you resolved this issue, specifically how you gave 21 day notice…By phone, by writing, in person, email?

        Thanks in advance for any information you could provide.

        Regardless, I am glad it all went well for you.

        Best Wishes, James

        • David

          James, I contacted the person in charge at my registering agency (my local Police Department). She asked that I email her my travel itinerary, a copy of my CA driver’s license, and copy of my passport. She would prepare the “Notification of Intended International Travel” (I believe she got the actual form – probably as a fillable PDF – from CA Dept. of Justice).
          I emailed her my itinerary (flights, date of travel, addresses, dates of stays) and we set an appointment for me to come in to sign the completed document.
          That was it.
          Later, about 10 days before travel, I had to change my itinerary, so she just had me email the revised itinerary to her. No new signature required. NOTE: Be sure to get a copy of your signed Intention to Travel form and take it with you on your trip – you might need it upon your return at U.S. Airport Customs. It’s best to be prepared & have it with you to show that you did what is required if you. Hope this helps you. – David

          • James

            WOW! Thank you so much…this was very helpful.

            Big kudos to you.

            Best Wishes, James

          • DRob

            I thought CA did not require a 21-day notice yet. Has this changed?

    • PK

      You need to research this Blog to find out which countries people have traveled to.

  7. O.A.L.

    I understand that Butan has no political or diplomatic ties to the U.S.. Could this be a possibility. Once there, I assume travel would be easier to other destinations. Please let me know.

    • Robert M

      O A L what country is that u mentioned and where is it located?

      • Bhutan

        Bhutan – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhutan – landlocked next to China and India

        • civil rights first

          If you can get to any country and past the notification that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security sends to the other country do it now before your passport is branded. The purpose of the identifier is to stop this. The special identifier on the passport is being placed on passports to notify Immigration officers of every country regardless if the U.S. sends notice or not. The Defense attorney in the challenge to the IML passport identifier even said this was the reason for it. To close that loophole.

          • Timmr

            I noticed that every registration law is justified as needing to close some sort of loophole in a previous law. Just recently in California they tried to close the loophole that allowed family offenders to be excluded from Megan’s site, then they were successful in closing the loophole that law enforcement didn’t know where registrants went on the internet. Some time soon, some legislator will claim a loophole in the public not knowing were registrants are on the internet and come up with a law that puts your identifiers public. It is most predictable behavior. What would surprise me is if some politician stands up and says these laws are not working not because everyone doesn’t know what every registrant is doing and where at every moment, no, they are not working because law enforcement is already looking too much at where registrants live and what they are doing, and it is not working because it is not where the crimes are happening. Even a twelve year old ought to have concluded that by now.

            • David Kennerly

              Alleging “loopholes” conveys the idea that there are conspiratorial forces of evil subverting the legal system.

              Those employing the term do so as a means of shaming their fellows as hopelessly naïve while presenting them with but one choice for rectifying their foolish oversights. Anyone who does not immediately respond to those accusations by reflexively “closing” them is to be regarded as deeply suspect.

              What they call “loopholes” are actually what used to be thought of as liberties in a free society.

              Their message always is that we can no longer afford such freedoms and that to imagine otherwise is an act of social treason.

              • civil rights first

                @ David, I am not sure where this is directed… are you directing this towards the Legislatures that keep making laws to further restrict freedoms or are you directing this at RSO’s…..

                “The IML also attempts to address circumstances where individuals evade such notifications by traveling to an intermediate country before proceeding to their actual final destination; it does this by requiring the State Department to include an identifier in the passports of registered sex offenders whose offenses involved sexual crimes against minors.”

                That was taken directly from the Motion To Dismiss filled by defense in the challenge to IML.
                http://all4consolaws.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Motion-to-Dismiss-April-2016.pdf

                I’m sorry that is a LOOPHOLE they are closing via the special identifier on the passport.

                • David Kennerly

                  My comments are directed at the legislators. I’m saying that the “loophole” meme is being used to systematically strip us of our rights.

                  • Timmr

                    Yes the word is used condescendingly to show the supposed flaws of present sx laws to get them more restrictive. Why don’t they just throw us all in prison and close all the “loopholes”? Well then no politician would be able to make points for improving the law. Then the Supreme Court would have no other choice than to throw the whole shebang out as unconstitutional punishment. We are being incrementally lynched.

      • O.A.L.

        Bhutan. Located east of India.

  8. David

    FYI, Fellow RCs: It is my intention to travel to numerous European countries – as many as possible, as soon as possible – AFTER receiving my “uniquely identified” passport probably in Spring 2017. I want to see for myself the response of European countries to the presentation of a “uniquely identified” American passport.*
    And you can be certain I will provide a full report on this website upon my return to the U.S.

    *It’s history in the making as America steps forward to join the likes of Nazi-era Germany and the totalitarian former USSR. 😬

    • O.A.L.

      I have never met you, but know that I appreciate your efforts.

      Thank you.

    • NY Level 1

      David, it may be your intention to visit many countries but what contingency plans do you have when you are refused entry?

      • Mr. D

        I’m fairly certain that if David avoids the UK he will not have any issues entering any of the other European countries, regardless of whether he has a unique identifier or not.

        • PK

          At least for now right? Who knows what could change in the future.

          He should really consider making plans to get set-up someplace else.

    • Joseph Ajlouny

      Keep us posted David. You sound like a man with a mission. Best of luck to you!

  9. O.A.L.

    My final destination is my home in Uban , Thailand, where my family is and wife’s remains are.
    If I move to Spain and apply/ receive citizenship, can I then use that passport to obtain Thai visa?
    I have friends there and in Germany that will welcome me with open arms( they think the U.S. is a pompous joke of a nation!) so I could go either place.

    • Quint

      If you renounce your American citizenship, then the US has no legal hold on you, unless you commit a crime on American soil. Thailand would look at you as a Spanish citizen. You’d have a new passport with only Spanish identifiers.

      • Joseph Ajlouny

        It will be very difficult o get citizenship in Spain or any other EU country because your felony will be used as a basis to deny it. Even if you married a citizen, you would likely not be permitted citizenship and permanent residency could be difficult as well. As bad as it sounds, remaining in the US and enjoying domestic travel, restrictive as it is, is safer and less stressful than going abroad and risking denied entry. And for those who have successfully entered other countries without problems, I presume you just got lucky and that it would have been a different story had you encountered a different immigration official. I know this is a pessimistic view but I believe it is a sober one.

  10. Steveo

    I have a question, let’s say I want to relocate to a country that let’s me in, and gives me a visa, and eventually residency. Let’s say I need to come back to the US, and visit for a death in the family. Do I need to register with the state that I come back to? Do I need to notify someone 21 days before I go back to my new home country?

    Also, let’s say I fly to a country that I want to live in, and I’m denied that the border, and they fly me back to the good ol’ USA. Can I fly right back out to some other country, or do I need to give another 21 days notice?

    Also, does anyone know if they are going to expire our passports and make us get new ones, or are they going to just give us new ones when we renew?

    Also, is there some sort of government agency who will answer some of these questions (like the stupid new law said there would be), or are they just leaving us as in the dark as possible?

    • Quint

      @Steveo:

      If you go back to the US, you have to register with that state. Just like if you finish your registry term in say, Kansas after 15 years and then move to California–which has lifetime registry–you’d have to register in California.

      You’d have to give another 21 day notice if your first trip was unsuccessful.

      The passport stuff…it’s anybody’s guess at this point. My guess (Just my guess with no facts) is the current passport will be rendered ‘invalid’ and a notice sent to you, saying come in and get a new one whenever you want. No way they’d demand (successfully) us to relinquish our passports.

      There isn’t necessarily (as far as I found) a ‘point-person’ to field all questions. I’ve gotten answers by talking to the mid-level reps at consuls and state departments.

  11. David

    @ Steveo and Quint: When the State Department posted the new Passport notice, I was able to speak directly with a high-level State Department official who stated, “If they were to revoke or invalidate a person’s passport, that individual would received WRITTEN notification, by U. S. Mail, from the State Department.”

    • PK

      I’m guessing one could only receive that Written Notification if they were still living in the United States. Receiving said Notification overseas could be somewhat challenging.

  12. Steveo

    Thanks guys. So, just to be clear. Even if I only want to come back to the US for a few days for a family funeral or something, i’ll have to be in the US for at least 21 days?

    Thanks,

    Steveo

  13. Florida Girl

    From what I understand your connections/Route dont count but the destination you will reside for the reported change in Permanent Transient or Temporary Residence does…. so if I went to Panama for example left Miami but was turned around and flew back to Miami I would not be in Florida long enough to have to report I am back to my Permanent Residence but would simply book another flight to a connecting country I could enter only passing via air or land with Panama still as my destination. Land entry is by far easier than air. I could be wrong but what I read it would still be compliant. If I drove to Nicaragua from NY as a friend I know did you would register at least here that you are going to Nicaragua by land and the amount of days. I would not report all the passing countries I would be driving in and out as I would not even be in them long enough and sometimes you dont even get border checked depending. Now if I walked over to Mexico and stayed yes of course that would need to be what I reported as my vacation but if I continued to my reported destination?. I know Florida has a amount of time I believe its 24 or 48 hours if you dont go to the reported place you would have to go back and report you are still in Florida back at home. I believe as long as you are honest and simply attempting TRANSIT to get to your reported destination you would not have to re-notice and do another 21 days etc. Denial from 1 entry to a country is often at the discretion of the agent so a Denial at Mexico City Airport might not have the same results as Tijuana crossing or others via land or air Cancun via a cruise etc.

    Thoughts?

    • Joseph Ajlouny

      Nice try FG but I found your description very confusing. I suggest you clarify. And what 21 day rule are you two discussing? For Steveo, he writes that he would only come back to the US for a few days. I do not understand why he would “have to be in the US for 21 days.” Can somebody unconfuse me? What am I missing? Is he saying he cannot return home because he would be required to give 21 days advance notice that he is going home to a different country? That doesn’t make sense to me. And if one is coming back to the US for just a few days for a funeral or wedding, etc. it is likely not a long-enough stay to have to register in that state. (Tho Nevada I understand requires registration for visits longer than 48 hrs.)

      • Brian

        I travel to Vegas all the time. Stay for week each time. No issues!

      • civil rights first

        @Joseph in the IML it states that you have to give a 21 day advance notice of any planned international travel with full itinerary. Washington state didn’t have any such law until after the IML was implemented and shortly after the implementation of IML I received notice of a new law in Washington that if I plan on any international travel I must notify my county sheriff where, when, why, who, what etc… at least 21 days in advance. Then the sheriff is to send that info to the US Marshall who then sends notice to Interpol and then on to the country you plan on visiting. so that is what they are talking about the 21 day advance notice before travel.

        • Need to Know

          Everyone needs to be careful with what advice you see on the board. Gather as much info as you can and make the best decision. For example, no where in the actual IML does it state 21-day notice. Please read the legislation before stating what is actually in it.

          It does say one would have to abide by the Attorney General’s guidelines, which have not been specifically issued. The 21-day notice is derived from earlier guidelines by the Attorney General, prior to IML. There is still uncertainty whether IML advance notice applies to non-SORNA states. Listen to the conference call on this issue in the conference call recording. Nothing is set and no one knows exactly how to interpret the law, let along how it will be implemented. I’m assuming this all will become more clear in the next year.

          And for the person asking about the London layover…that is a no go, you are very unlikely to get in, but depends on your conviction. Shouldn’t have any problem getting into France. See the RTAG travel matrix for additional info. http://registranttag.org/resources/travel-matrix/

          Good luck all. Keep up the fight.

  14. Cool CA RC

    Here is an article I found. I thought this might be a good tool for our cause.
    For many, it also drove home the reality that in the Soviet Union, which required them to carry internal passports stamped “Jewish,” they would never be more than second-class citizens. Some began to claim the right to leave.
    Sources :http://www.aish.com/jw/s/Saving_Soviet_Jewry_A_Retrospective.html

    • David Kennerly

      Yes, I actually played a quite small role in getting several Jews out of the Soviet Union in the 1970s while in university through Student Struggle for Soviet Jewry.

      It has struck me as remarkable and ironic that I, and others like me, now find ourselves in distinctly similar circumstances relative to our own governments.

      At the same time as this was going on, many Jewish students there were harshly critical of including gays in our memorialization of the Holocaust. This shows how important culture is to perceiving injustice.

  15. Dirk

    @David, are you still here? You said you were able to get into Europe with 21 days notice, but then you changed itinerary last minute. Did you have connection in Europe and was your itinerary changed with the countries and flight number too or something else?

  16. Dirk

    Anyone knows a travel insurance that covers people like us who need to be put back on the plane and back to the US and pay extra $$$?

    • Joseph Ajlouny

      That’s a great question! The fact that nobody has offered an answer suggests it’s unlikely.

  17. Bill Arthur

    iTravelInsured has a policy which features “Cancel for Any Reason and Interruption for Any Reason coverage is included at no additional cost.” Most insurance, as you may know, requires a medical excuse, note from doctor, etc., hardly applicable when you have to turn around in the foreign airport and head home the day you arrive.

    You can check out here: https://www.itravelinsured.com/travel-insurance/travel-lx-insurance

  18. DPH

    As of November 16, 2016 @ approx. on San Francisco’s news channel KTVU.com on live TV announced that
    the EU would start charging approx. $6.oo (USD?) for checking U.S. Traverlers for Criminal Activity and will prob. STOP allowing RC’s into EU or most of Schengen including Finland according to the released news.
    Searching online for more info on this terrible new ruling for travelers to their Countries. If so, we can FORGET about all or most of International travel let alone the Identifier chosen by our Government to ID us and stand out let alone EU running background checks with others without enough info to show our arrest dates and rule us out of entering their respective domiciles.

  19. BAM

    Has any body sued a Crusie line yet for the discrimination of stopping us from cruising due to our past back ground history with no restrictions what so ever in our past or present. Can some one please answer this question please.

    • Ron

      Since a sex offender does not belong to a protected class, I don’t think you would have standing. –

    • Cruise lines are private and can ban

      Since cruise lines are also private companies, you may not get very far either. It is like hotels who can ban you from staying there based upon your registry status, e.g. Best Value Inn does it. Both are private entities and are liable for their guests if someone wanted to make a case out of it in court. Not saying it is right, but it is what it is.

  20. Ron

    I am the resident of a foreign country, but I am also a US citizen. I will be traveling through the US soon, via Florida, And then returning to my home, via Florida, about a week later. I am very worried I will not be allowed entry into the country I live in, because of IML.

    • James

      Dear Ron:

      As well you should be, (imo).

      Is this a trip you Must make? Why take the risk? And why Florida?

      I wish you well, but do be careful about this.

      Best Wishes, James

    • 4sensiblepolicies

      Unless you have dual citizenship – U.S. and the country you are residing in, or can use a foreign passport, I would say you should be very worried. I would say it would have to be a pretty compelling reason for travel to risk turning your life upside down. And Florida of all places. Why anyone would want to go there for any reason is beyond me.

      It seems it’s going to be a while before the majority of registered citizens figure out the extent of the oppressiveness of IML.

    • Quint

      @Ron:

      Me too, I’m a resident of Japan but have to register in the states. I went back to the states a few months ago for a week and came back no problem. But of course YMMV.

      • Guest

        Another thing to consider…. when you come into the US you may need to register. If your stay in the US is less than 21 days you do not have enough time to give the required 21- day notice. Which means that a stay less than 21 days automatically results in a felony. There is no exception.

        They may claim that IML does not prevent travel, but it criminalizes the US stay of US citizens.

        • Doubt the 21 day rule stated here by Guest

          First, don’t be feeding @Ron info without a source.

          Second, since Ron is going through FLA, he has 48 hrs to register with the sheriff’s office if he is staying longer than 47 hrs 59 min of the temporary residence he will be at. Transiting an airport for less than the time mentioned will most likely not be a problem. (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/FAQ.jsp#Question6)

          Where did you get the felony charge if your stay is less than 21 days for a US citizen if you are a resident of another country because you cannot report international travel a minimum of 21 days in advance? Please state your source of that info, e.g. provide the actual website down to the paragraph, don’t just say the website name.

          There is an exception to the 21 day rule by the FLA website (Question #7) where the sheriff’s office must be notified as soon as possible of the international travel.

          I think the big thing for Ron is if you have a foreign passport, use it in addition to any foreign ID cards, etc, to hopefully ease your travel.

      • Joseph Ajlouny

        What is YMMV?

    • Ron

      I promised to give an update after I returned home. This is it.

      I took a cruise from Miami to Cozumel and then the Bahamas. Afterwards, I returned to my home here in another country.
      When I flew into Miami I had absolutely no problems. I was not even stopped by customs for a search. My previous 2 trips I was.

      Cozumel, also, was problem free. I was able to enter and exit Mexico without issue.

      The same with the Bahamas. No problems at all.

      When we returned to the USA, I was waived right through. No search or questions.

      When I flew home, I just showed my residency card along with my passport as usual. Again no problems.

      I am not sure what will happen when we get the “scarlet letter”. I am not even sure if I will get one as adjudication was withheld (non-adjudicated) in my case.

      In all, not a single issue. I felt half human again. No harassment, no embarrassment, no headaches.

      • James

        Dear Ron:

        I am seriously glad that this went well for you….but out of an abundance of caution and some curiosity, I would like to ask:

        Did you give and file your 21 day advance notice of International Travel as required by the Federal IML?

        Also, I don’t see you doing any outbound international flights…which could make a considerable difference. Was there an outbound flight?

        In any case, congratulations on a good vacation.

        And thanks for reporting back on your experience.

        Best Wishes, James

        • Ron

          While I would like to share as much information as possible with the members of this site, I am also a bit paranoid. The laws, rules and regulations surrounding a sex offender are so complicated that I do no understand them all. I am not a lawyer.

          These laws have set us up to fail.

          So, I think I will plead the 5th amendment as not to reveal the details of my trip. I honestly do not know if I did everything according to the letter of the law. But, it was my intent to be in full compliance with the law.

          • James

            No, I respect your circumspection in these matters.

            Being smart is always a good thing.

            I thought about this possible concern when I posed my question…let me finish this way, I am really pleased when any of us have a good life, doing things they should be able to in all events…

            So, Kudos to you.

            Be Good and be Happy

            Best Wishes, James

  21. Pissed Traveler

    Travel is getting out of hand hurting people it was not meant to hurt and causing damage to Families.

    Back over 5 years ago I was accused of touching a girls breast on the outside of the shirt. Long story was my Attorney and a bad Judge who has since been removed forced me to take a deal. The charges had been filed incorrectly and was actually a Level of PBL punishable by life! because of a allegation of Weapon or serious injury both not true. To streamline I fought back won a 3850 Hearing and was re sentenced to a 3rd Degree Felony for Attempted Sexual Battery. Time served no sex probation etc. Because of the original charge in Florida you Automatically get PREDATOR status although I had 1 charge and not underage but a 33 year old woman. (This all started from a girl asking for $250,000 to settle and her friends have done this to other men) The civil was dropped her Attorney walked off the case I was re-sentenced by a new Judge and Predator status vacated (I also won my own Motion to the Appeals court.

    I traveled with no problems multiple times especially to Costa Rica even last year and November under the worst charges no issue. (Life Sentence Charge Predator Status) This was vacated and re sentenced nunc pro tunc back to original date.

    I registered like I always do and gave my 21 days notice etc. When I arrived in Costa Rica they let my wife in and then something caught her eye on my passport scan so she said she needed to ask somebody something. 20 minutes later she tell us I cannot enter because the USA has sent a request via Interpol that I should be denied entry and they want me back. My wife and I showed my registration that reflected I was allowed to be in Costa and had been under a year ago and almost every year for 18 years. Never had a ticket or trouble in 18 years and spending holidays as always with our Family (I have no history of any sex Tourism less anything underage) A supervisor showed me a computer letter that said it was clear I must be turned away the USA wants me back. I need to fix it and I can come back but not on that day. My wife cried we tried to show more info but they talked yet to another person who said they must follow the Interpol Request and I told them it was just a notification I was coming. He said NO it was a return order from my Country. I was taken to a area in the Airport with security and made to sit like 12 hours for the next flight back. I was told I needed to sign papers but I did not. They told me the reason for the return was not listed by Interpol. I was eventually showed a green Costa Rican form that the guy simply checked a box AFTER talking to me about why and what it could be so I was honest. They wouldnt give me a copy of the Interpol Alert as they said it was confidential!. I did take a photo of the paper they kept and did not sign it but a very nice security officer told me it was not related to the Interpol letter but simply a form to give me a quick reason Costa Rica was deporting me. They did not want to pay for my connection and I was going to be stock far away from home but a nice Security guy went to Bat for me and I did get the trip all the way back. I was told I was not banned but that for today I couldn’t enter try another time date or place. I was actually shocked what I was told but I am not going to put that out here. Once returned to Florida with no bags as I lef them with my wife who is still in Costa Waiting for me or will come back soon. I got the usual 2nd check and again a very nice Customs and Emigration agent greeted me I told her my story and she said she doesn’t see anything in the computer that would have prevented my entry to Costa and she did not show USA or Florida wanted me back. In fact she said I would not have been allowed to even get on the plane if what Describe was valid. I checked and my online registration is showing I am in Costa Rica and all looks good. I was told even by my security I should go to Nicaragua or Panama and simply come back by land or fly again the next day. I would have been in my window to do this. My wife and I decided to wait to hear from a lawyer here as she contacts one in Costa before we decide if to go back. I would need to register travel again now next week as a emergency etc. This has destroyed my Family they are all upset. I own property and employ people and I cant even get back. I have been married 18 years and we have all the documents for me to become a Resident and Citizen but you must be in the country to put in the required docs and in person. Please anybody offer some advice. I am also willing to hire a lawyer both her and In Costa Rica but they are insistent the issue is with USA/Interpol and if I get that fixed to come back. I will also scan and post the redacted letter to share. I believe this is a good example for Janice or others to show how unjust this system is hurting good working people of all ages and economical status. I own mulitple companies and my wife is a Realtor!. Who is this protecting and who is it punishing? Costa Rica is losing my Car Rental Hotel and Resort stay and instead I leave a depressed wife at her Moms alone for Christmas. Something has to be done and I want to know why I was even listed with a green . notice based on my lack of threat to anybody and how we can legally see the documents sent. Does a green notice go out 1 time for 1 Country? or each time? I know people have ways around the system but I am looking to simply follow the law but not be unjustly penalized by it. I could be a Murdered and I would have entered no problem. I am willing to take legal action with others or alone on this issue. I also spoke to a nice lady at FDLE and she said although they did report me to Interpol (not sure why but she said they always do as before) it was just a notice to Travel and they had no such instructions to Deny Entry! everybody pointing to Interpol who has no number to call

    Thanks

    • FRegistryTerrorists

      I’m sure I’m not qualified to give you legal advice. It appears as if you are quite on that game.

      But I will say that this is obviously not acceptable to any actual American. We need to identify any people who support this and really, really harm them. War must be waged. All the time and by any and all means.

      It is fine to be nice to people who are helping you deal with this harassment but I would never let them sense or give any indication that any of it was acceptable. And if you find out that a person actually thinks any of it is okay, you can treat them however you like. They deserve no respect or consideration.

      And you said that you wanted to do everything legally. That is a good idea. But that doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t neutralize or work around the system in any way that you can. Every single day I ensure that the Registries do not do anything useful. I am around children all of the time because the Registries exist. And also because that is how a normal person typically lives.

      F people who support Registries. War is the answer.

    • Tired Of Hiding

      Same exact thing happened to me when I tried to enter Argentina a few years back…even though I had gone in and out many times…even though I have lived there for years…I made the mistake of returning to the USA in 2012 thinking it would be easy to just tell the authorities I was going.

      I was stopped while my partner had no problems…told the same exact thing almost verbatim…”we would be happy to let you in and your paperwork is fine except that the USA has requested your return. I was not given a copy of the paper but you can be assured it was a “green notice” sent via interpol.

      The embassy will not help you or give you any info. The FDLE police will not help you or give you any information. US immigration will not help you or give you any information. Interpol will give you no information.

      You my friend like all of us are f^ked!

      Happy Holidays and let’s all band together to kick this in the ass. Our lives are too short for this sh^t to continue. If you will contact me (admin is authorized to give you my email) I would like to discuss some options and exchange some info that might be mutually beneficial. Lee

      • David Kennerly, still radioactive after all these years

        Lee, the email address I have for you seems to be bouncing. Could you shoot me an email from your new address, please? Thanks! davidkennerly@gmail.com

      • FRegistryTerrorists

        I will add that this is a reason that people should not support a tiered Registry. Accepting a tiered Registry means accepting that some people are worse than others and definitely accepting that the harassment of some people is acceptable. Personally, I think the goal should be to get as many people listed on the Registry as possible.

        I fear that when/if people are not listed on a Registry then they really stop caring so much about what is happening to “those” people. So many people seem to be okay with harassing 100,000 of “those” people. It is harder to harass those “those” people if they number 5,000,000.

        I am a person who can likely get off of the Registry. I don’t think much of people who will get off of the Registry and then just go off with their lives without continuing to help everyone else.

      • Joseph Ajlouny

        It seems to me all of these disappointments and denied entries can be avoided if you first apply for an entry visa. Isn’t that a solution? If they deny you due to your status, then at least you know in advance.

    • ML

      This is very interesting. This is the same information that I have received from two sources in Mexico. The point that the US is asking that RC’s be returned. That is not what our government has said, that the US merely notifies another country of the crime. This is huge over stepping. I do not know how to get any documentation of a notice where the USA asks or tells the foreign country to return RC’s.
      This is beyond draconian.

    • Pissed Traveler

      I dont believe that the IML is even legal however its not even getting enforced based on its own directive. Why on earth would multiple people show us a letter with no explanation that simply says USA is requesting denied entry AND I wmust be returned? . Why was I even put in the Portal when I dont qualify under IML as the alleged victim was 33 years old!. How on earth is this child related or related to a History of future crimes? almost 20 years in Costa Married 18 and not even a ticket. I understand the need to protect children but how on earth does a any of this relate to the IML mission to stop adults with a history of sex issues going to other countries to hurt children? My charges are false but in almost any other State this would at best be considered a “Grope”. Sadly Latin society does not arrest for much more. I am not Rich but have resources. I have had my share of litigation representing my company and I am all for participation in any legal action. I have done my own briefs and had the Appeals court in my state reverse. I had a Attorney who ripped me off 60k and got me a deal for nothng out on a Innefective assitance had a Predator Designation vacated and charges vacated and lowered. I am a fighter and Tenacious when pushed. I have friends in the Government and they are mostly stuck in the middle as we are all. I dont hold this against any one person its bad law and it has to be fixed. Even these second inspections off the record are viewed as a waste of time from the good peole trying to do a Job. I hope my situation can help. Can anybody tell me if a new Green notice goes out each time? to each country? I saw something online its a 5 year global thing!

      Thanks

      One Very Pissed Traveler waiting to see his familly for christmas

      • ML

        Contact latintravel@registranttag.org They are just getting started, but focus on Latin travel.

      • Eric Knight

        What would be INCREDIBLE help is if you can get a notarized copy of the letter you saw on screen from the Costa Rican government that the US sent to them warning about you. I would go so far as to hire a local CR attorney to acquire the notarized copy for you.

  22. David Kennerly

    This is where Janice should consider filing subpoenas essential to the IML lawsuit.

    • Tuna

      IML and/or Angel Watch itself, since it seems these notices were going out even prior to IML being passed.

    • James

      I sense that Mr. PT is simply being lied to, as is probably the case with Tired.

      Costa Rician officials are either mis-intepreting the Green Notices or they don’t want to admit that they are the actual acting authorities on these matters.

      By this I mean the US Government is being entirely honest…they are merely informing on our pending arrival…the Costa Rician authorities can let Mr. PT in if THEIR regulations allowed for entry…there simply is no request from the US that he be returned, (as would be the case with a fugitive).

      The same is true, I think, for Tired and his Argentina refusal of entry….these receiving agents have the power to allow entry, they just refuse to exercise this responsibility in favor of the SO.

      And in their defense, Why should such a border agent risk his job and the livelihood for his family by taking what is now a know risk?

      I am also curious why no one seems to have filed a Freedom of Information Act request to see whatever ICE or the US Marshal’s have sent out?

      I don’t believe Janice has authority under the current status of the IML case to issue a subpoena for anyone on anything. But….each of us, and certainly anyone rejected should have an absolute right to file a FOIA request.

      I think.

      I am curious why this hasn’t been done, (by anyone).

      Best Wishes, James

      • Robert

        James,
        Filing a FOIA is not “easy” as implied here. DHS and DOJ rarely ever respond to an individual seeking information on themselves. You will likely get a canned response like some of us have saying they “cannot provide any information based on security and legal concerns.” Journalists are the only ones likely to get a FOIA response from these agencies. Our best hope is for our lawsuit against IML to proceed and such information can be obtained through discovery at a trial.

      • Pissed Traveler

        Hello,

        I sat and saw the screen had some comments and my wife read them. Another guy came with a letter. I serious dount all people read the same exact thing wrong pointed at it showed me and said they want you back. They said it was a USA problem not a Costa Rica Problem that they wanted me DENIED entry and that I must retun to resolve whatever they wanted. It was strange they said no explanation listed but as a Interpol member and a USA request they didnt see how to get around it. These people wasted lots of time. Telling me to simply fix it and come back another day but today I needed to go back and resolve it. Only after they talked to me about what I thought it could be and some time they gave me a form that in spanish just showed the ability for them to turn me away, I was also told them pretty much hit a box that didnt even match something else on the form. It was simply what they had to turn me around. I am still even getting messages from some helpful people asking and telling me to try to get back for christmas. I will now have to visit the sheriff in the morning to let them know I am back. I will also state under the Emergency rule I will be travelling again within 21 days again to my destination. I am actually listed online as in Costa!. I have allrerady had some great calls from people on this and and florida Forum. I am told this violates the IML as I dont have a underage charge and no threat. USA Imigration and Homeland themselves told me no issue and I should try to go back. FDLE simply says they enter the info dont understand what INTERPOL did. OK so who us the guilty party?

        • James

          Here’s the problem, only you and your wife have seen this screen and this letter…I am not saying that what you are saying is false…but only you know, you, the United States Government and the Costa Rician Authorities that is…

          There is a world of difference between….this Traveler is a SO and probably is traveling to commit new offenses….and, Please Immediately Return this person to the United States.

          These are different and I am naturally wondering if you version is true…then why are so many people being allowed into Europe and, apparently Hong Kong also.

          I don’t know, you are the only person on this board that has a say…

          Just sayin`

          James

          Edit: I might also add that you are in special circumstances, unlike many of us in that your offense did not involve someone under 18 years old.

          Which is good for you, but changes the calculus considerably.

          Regardless, I wish you good luck and I hope your next post is from within Costa Rica…saying I am full of poo-poo…;>}}}

          • Pissed Traveler

            I am awaiting a call back from a agent at FDLE who is working with the Marshalls Dept to see what happened. Its multiple people telling me this and even asking when I will fix it and retrun! The Notification law like it or not says ” The International Megan’s Law to Prevent Demand for Child Sex Trafficking (H.R. 4573) was a bill that would require the notification of foreign governments when a citizen of United States registered as a sex offender for sexual offense involving a minor is going to be traveling to their country.” I dont not apply nor should any notification have been done. I believe a mistake was made. So far it appears the men and women who are trying to assist seem to be sincere. I will know shortly as even Florida is asking if I will go back? its just a waste of time for everybody who needs to be protecting society from real threats to all of us.

        • ML

          Traveler the words, this is a USA problem and needs to be resolved in the USA is also what I have been told.

          • Tired Of Hiding

            YES it is a problem in the USA and from the USA and needs to be resolved in the USA – and that “problem” is the USA forcing citizens to be placed on a list for life and being denied the constitutional rights – Illegally

            In 2017 I am ready for this sh^t to change…I don’t have years to waste on this nonsense!

            Lee

            • Timmr

              Way things are going the United States is going to bully its way into the ash pit of history. All of us stuck here are going down too. Unless people get serious and organize against it.

        • Son of Liberty Child of Freedom

          Pissed Traveler

          I believe from what you have stated, we can correctly infer that it is INTERPOL who is playing the part of “The Bad Cop” thereby leaving the other government agencies to their convenience play “The Good Cop” and not be accountable for all the harm they have caused you and your family.

          If upon another attempt on your part to return to Costa Rica, it would be very important to video or photograph the computer screen with a body cam or similar camera device to gather further evidence to assist you in your case.

          Father in Heaven be with you and shine on you.

          • Pissed Traveler

            I did talk to a high person within FDLE and local SPOT people. I will say I truly believe they acted professional with me and are trying to get clarification. Florida is saying it was not them telling anybody to refuse me or send me back. They stated they simply notify the Marshals office via the Portal as they always have done. I insisted I do not even fall undrer the IML but he says he believes they still must report under Adam Walsh act but that appears to be a possible error also. What caught me was the statement that it appeared they allready had known I was going and was reported by the Marshals office even before FDLE told them! That’s what I heard. I do have previous issues with a ex business partner but it seems odd to assume he could put me on some alert. I still can’t confirm if this notice was simply for this trip or that I now have a system wide travel notice for 5 years. I have been contacted by some organizations on this issue and do intend to file any and all appropriate legal and information requests to get to the bottom of this. I believe we have some bad law and worse it’s not getting implemented correctly. I can only hope this was a honest mistake or lack of education on these new laws and not done with malice. These people have far more dangerous people to be going after then keeping me from making Tamales with my sick mother in law and spending Christmas with my Familly. It was also confirmed in Florida and with Homeland nobody is needing to talk to me about any active case. I am not on probation etc. They pointing back at Costa and my contact at Costa Airport say absolutely not USA wanted me back for questioning and to Deny Entry per Interpol. I still have entry stamps under a year even in my passport it’s crazy

            • Son of Liberty Child of Freedom

              Pissed Sojourner

              You stated – “my contact at Costa Airport say absolutely not USA wanted me back for questioning and to Deny Entry per Interpol.”

              Prove it, have the Costa Rican officials show you the Documents they received from IINTERPOL that say the USA wanted you back in the USA and Deny Entry. If they do show you the Doc’s take a photo of them.

              Until then I suspect the agent from The USA, Costa Rica, and INTERPOL are all complicit and conspiring with malice of forethought to mislead you off your path and make your life miserable. What you need is proof to confirm the Truth of the matter. Keep focused on acquiring the Doc’s.

              The Eternal Father in Heaven shine on you and keep you and your innocent Family together.

              • Pissed Traveler

                We did see the notes and then another person brought a letter. They seemed as confused as us. My wife managed to look at it and it said I was to be denied entry and returned per USA via Interpol. They didn’t even know why and the entire sex issue only came up later after supervisors and even private security and airport police came all looking very perplexed. Reason listed was none that’s what caused another long conversation. Eventually I was given a paper after it was decided they had to send me back and I did take a photo of it. The box checked was related to them having the right to deny me for a crime or because they or the USA embassy declined my attendance. We looked it up online and 2 people told me it was a simple form to just get me back on the plane but was not the initial reason regarding the alert but simply the way they needed to remove me, We intend to make official requests here and in San Jose with legal and government officials. They told me to resolve the questioning with the USA and I would be welcomed back. Nobody wanted to really deal with it because they said they needed to comply with a Interpol request especially from my own country. Arrriving back a USA supervisor could not understand why I was sent back said I was not wanted would ever have been allowed on the plane and nothing stood out. Even asked me if I would turn around and go right back. I was so exhausted and upset I continued on to my home Airport. I want this notice and I want to know why if I don’t fall under these laws have no history of child or sexual tourism why is this effecting me. Almost 20 years never 1 single issue and multiple trips many times in the last couple of years! And yes notice was done also. It’s just crazy. My offense I am told if it was a issue is not even considered a sexual offense in Costa Rica! A alleged breast grope on the outside of the shirt. I don’t even believe mists states including Florida can legally meet the governments definition of a sexual act that requires the union or touching of sexual organs between people. How the heck can you attempt? Without this? It’s a lie anyway and at best a grope might be a Misidmenor Battery. Florida has it as a level 3 Felony the lowest charge before a misdamenor. I was told from a trooper in NYC at best I would have gotten a fine in NY and that it’s sad this happened to me in Florida.

                • Son of Liberty Child of Freedom

                  Pissed Travler, Pissed Stranger!

                  You stated “We did see the notes and then another person brought a letter. ”

                  So you need to get a photo or print out on paper of the “Notes” that you and your wife saw on the Costa Rican officials computer screen, since you were not able to get that evidence I believe you need to travel back to Cost Rica and get that evidence to prove your case to attorney and file a case. I have no doubt that it is a cost to you that you must risk loosing. Go back and make them have to deal with you and your situation, impose your will on them.

                  As the saying goes “The squeaky wheel get the attention and lubed”

                  You must be persistent an do not quit!

                  You must be persistent to Him in Heaven and those on earth.

                  Luke 18:2-5 KJVS
                  [2] Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:
                  [3] And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
                  [4] And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;
                  [5] Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. …

                  Deuteronomy 27:19 KJVS
                  [19] Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger, fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, Amen.

                  I persist to call Heaven and Earth to be witness to The Most Hight Father in Heaven to give you and your innocent family justice.

                  As Yehovah Lives, so should we.

                • James

                  Dear P Traveler:

                  Here is your key phrase, I think:

                  “The box checked was related to them having the right to deny me for a crime…”

                  Costa Rica has exercised that right….against you.

                  No one, least of all me, likes this, but I think we have to deal with what is true and what is not.

                  1. The US should not be sending out these notices concerning your status or your pending arrival (but they are, and, usually they are just telling the truth…at some point we have committed a sex crime)

                  2. You would not be denied entry into Hong Kong or anywhere in the European Union despite they having received an identical INTERPOL Notice

                  3. Cosa Rica could let you in if they wanted to…or their regulations allowed. The problem is actually Costa Rica

                  4. These lists are becoming more widespread and extensive, for example, Canada won’t even allow people in that have a DUI.

                  All of the above sucks, but it is just true…

                  How about Nicaragua and a land crossing into Costa Rica? This could work if Nicaragua let you in…I don’t know if they would; this is just a thought.

                  Good Luck,

                  Best Wishes, James

                  BTW and as an Edit: Panama will not let you enter either…so no land crossing into Costa Rica from this direction

    • PK

      I wish we had some kind of insight as to what’s going on with the IML Appeal.

      Also, after nearly 1 year, I’m still not clear as to what the differences are between the Green Notices and the Angel Watch Notices. Are both Notices sent simultaneously? Are Green Notices sent to some countries and not others?

      I know that the Angel Watch Notices are sent by Homeland Security, and the Green Notices are sent by Interpool, but has anyone determined how and when they are being sent?

      Like I said, I’ve been on this site for 1 year, and there’s been a lot of discussion about the challenge to IML and the Angel Watch Notices, but I’ve read very little about these Green Notices.

      • David Kennerly

        I’m also curious as to how the appeal is coming along. Perhaps Janice can weigh in.

        As for Green Notices vs. Angel Watch, here’s my take (with some limited deductive evidence): INTERPOL has been sending out these notices as a separate matter and for several years. They say that control of information about “offenders” is entirely within the discretion of, in our case, the U.S. or with whatever nation the traveling “offender” has citizenship. They say that member states determine entirely what information can be passed on to other member states and seem to say also that they can determine WHICH states receive particular notices. Clearly, they’ve been given the green light to send out green notices by the U.S. and have been doing so. This notice does not appear to be prompted by an alert of travel from the U.S. Government but is automatic as a traveler’s border-crossings “ping” the system and interrogate a database which contains sex offender conviction records. It also appears that countries have to specifically subscribe to INTERPOL’s system for receiving automatic alerts and there was a news item a month or so back that The Netherlands and The EU, as a whole, were looking for funding to implement these alerts. I’m surprised if they don’t already have them but, ominously, this may be why a number of Registrant travelers haven’t been turned around at EU airports in which case we may see that apparent laxity end at some point. This is just speculation on my part.

        The INTERPOL system is apart from the U.S. specifically notifying other countries (again, based upon bits of deduction) which is based upon a) notifications sent to them by the Registrant traveler and, more reliably, by b) alerts generated by travel industry bookings.

        I wrote a much lengthier and more detailed description here a while back and will try to find it.

        • PK

          So basically even if an RSO is somehow able to enter into a Country without a specific travel notice being sent, they could still be disallowed entry based upon the existence of their name coming up when the “traveler’s border-crossings “ping” the system and interrogate a database”. I guess nobody can be sure.

          • David Kennerly

            Yes. We’re screwed simultaneously by two separate systems.

            I think that we are sure that INTERPOL is independently notifying countries of “sex offenders.”

            As I had written a while back, they had announced before they started that program that they would be doing so. Later, that press release disappeared. Nevertheless, and right on schedule, people started being refused entry.

            It seems to be a case of redundancy of efforts. INTERPOL notifies countries as an automatic alert as a result of the passport being scanned in whatever country and matching against a database and DHS/et al receive notifications from Registrants or the airline booking system and matches that user information provided, which includes a passport number, against their database and then disseminates alerts to countries.

            This was my suspicion early on, and which nobody believed, and has now been proven to be true.

            This would explain how Registrants are being refused entry when traveling over land to cross borders without having booked a ticket or notified the U.S.

            • PK

              I haven’t read too many instances of RSO’s being denied entry over land, except for Mexico of course. Perhaps if you could share the link for that, I would really appreciate it.

              • David Kennerly

                I’m afraid that I don’t remember the cases of a non-Mexican crossing although there was one or two reported here. However, Mexico is probably a quite valid example of this.

                Also, there is Canada but it was part of a much earlier effort by the Five Eyes and probably doesn’t rely upon INTERPOL as an intermediary but simply the Five Eyes’ network.

            • abolishtheregistry.com

              Sorta off topic but who knows what the future holds. I and some of my conspiracy friends want to know what you think is behind the real ID passport thing. Setting up future control points for easy revocations? Will they revoke travel for the dregs like us first? Imagine that, first international travel then state to state!

              • David Kennerly

                Well, it’s a conspiracy in plain-view. It’s no secret that our governments want to eliminate all privacy for their citizens in such a way as it makes their jobs easier and makes them more powerful.

                It will all be predicated upon the exigencies of fighting crime and terrorism and sold to the American people as a necessary tool to ensure their safety.

                If a majority of Americans are clamoring for it, is it a conspiracy? Strictly speaking, yes but it is one that is not hidden from view; it’s there for all the world to see.

                Real ID, specifically, is a fantastic tool-set for them in that it greatly minimizes the gaps in their vision and unifies government at all levels through perfect data integration and consolidation. It’s a means for overcoming some of the limitations of decentralized authorities by centralizing the acquisition and dissemination of data.

                Also, it’s the perfect end-run around previous failures to introduce national i.d. cards. With Real I.D., who needs national i.d. cards? State driver’s licenses and i.d. cards become, in effect, national i.d. cards but with the necessary appearance of state-level sovereignty.

                I can see how it could easily be applied to us, early on. Right now, there is probably not a very good, or at least, a very consistent way for one state to alert another state that we’ve just flown in for a visit. Registering with the authorities at the place where we visit is not currently very enforceable, from what I can tell. Real I.D. could potentially change that completely as our travel records will have Real I.D. numbers in them and that information will be passed on to federal authorities, as it currently now is for the purposes of no-fly lists and watch lists. There’s really no reason why they wouldn’t now also generate automatic alerts to places that are our destination. They can easily include hotels where we might be staying, especially if they were obtained through the same booking sites (something to keep in mind).

                And then, if we don’t register within the allotted time, the registering authorities, having been alerted to our arrival immediately upon entry, might very well arrest us at the hotel where we’ve told them we are staying.

                Yes, I think state-to-state enforcement is definitely on its way. After all, the states have drawn up fairly elaborate criminal codes for determining registration-triggering events, including duration of stays. One good thing is that I think many states will ignore much of this traffic out of an inability to run down these leads.

                In that case, we will see even more capricious and arbitrary enforcement of laws.

          • Tired Of Hiding

            No, you would not be allowed to enter the country. Just because the plane you are on lands doesn’t mean you are “in” the country. You are in the airport and nothing more until you are cleared by immigration of that country.

            You are stopped at immigration who will not allow you in. Since you are not formally allowed into the country (you are simply held until you can be placed on the next flight returning you to the USA).

            I have been met by immigration immediately after getting off the plane in Panama and this was just a layover from Argentina to the USA. I was also not allowed in Argentina when I attempted to return there from the USA in 2013 even though I have lived there for 6 years and left and reentered a number of times prior to 2013 when the whole mess seems to have been implemented.

            This latest (thanks Obama for signing that last year into law of the land) International Megan’s Law just sort of makes it “official” and brings it out of the shadows what has been going on since 2013.

        • Son of Liberty Child of Freedom

          David Kennerly

          I and those affected RC can clearly see that these attacks upon the Rights & Titles of the people of The United States are Politicly Motivated in order to further Empower Government at the National and International level with the Pretexts of protecting the innocent.

          The incursions upon Freedmen serve as their tools to perform experiments to destroy The Foundations of Freedom and impose Implicit Tradition of a Global Social Contract that the Sovereign Citizens of The United States of America have never Consented to be Aliened from the Gifts of The Most High Creator Possessor of Heaven and Earth.

          Once ones eyes are open to this realty of Political War as the true intent and motivation by those Entrenched in Position of Political Power, it can Reasonably be argued that RC are in Fact and Function become De Facto Political Prisoners.

          David, I repost a link you provided earlier and thank you for it. It contains insight for the readers here to consider and were to take the Sounding of a Trumped Blow.

          https://www.bellanaija.com/2017/01/documentary-reveals-how-states-use-interpols-red-alerts-to-persecute-political-opponents-watch/

          Interpol – the world’s largest police organization – has told Al Jazeera that they have identified cases where member countries have not complied with their rules on international wanted alerts.

          The disclosure comes in ‘Interpol: Red Alert! – a People & Power’ documentary on Al Jazeera, which follows allegations that member states have used Interpol’s wanted notice system to target political opponents. In testimony gathered by People & Power, individuals describe how some countries have been able to pursue them across borders on apparently politically motivated charges.

          Each of Interpol’s 190 member states can request that Interpol circulate a ‘Red Notice’ informing countries across the world that an individual is wanted for serious offences. In 2015 Interpol issued over 11,000 Red Notices. Countries can also use Interpol systems to circulate ‘Diffusions Notices,’ which are described as ‘less formal’ than Red Notices and are also used to request the arrest or location of an individual.

          Member states are expected to abide by Interpol’s constitution, which states that it’s strictly forbidden for the organization to undertake any intervention or activities of a political, military, religious or racial character.

          Speaking to People & Power during Interpol’s 2016 General Assembly in Bali Indonesia, Interpol Secretary General, Jürgen Stock stated that while such “non compliance” with Interpol’s rules was “the exception rather than the rule,” Interpol took every case “very seriously.”

          Questioned on which member states might be serial offenders when it comes to non-compliance with Interpol rules, Stock did not identify the countries concerned, saying that if Interpol identified “non compliance” the organization provided feedback to the member country.

          Stock also stated that he has introduced a task force to review every request for a notice “even more intensively.”

          Stock’s comments on Red Notices – a crucial crime fighting tool – follow pressure from critics and activists for Interpol to filter out politically motivated wanted alerts before Interpol issues the notices through their secure data bases.

          The UK-based NGO, Fair Trials International, has been among the voices calling for Interpol to do a tougher job at reviewing wanted alerts before they are circulated.

          “Interpol has been allowing itself to be used by oppressive regimes across the world to export the persecution of human rights defenders, journalists and political opponents by circulating these global wanted alerts from them,” claims Jago Russell, chief executive of the NGO Fair Trials International. “It has to get used to saying no to member countries. I think it can be done and I think Interpol has to do it to maintain its reputation.”

          In addition to filtering out abuse of wanted notices before they’re circulated, critics have also called on Interpol to make it easier to challenge information held by the global policing organization.

          If individuals believe they are the subject of a politically motivated wanted alert, they can contact an organization called the Commission for the Control of Interpol’s files (CCF). However, this body has come under fire over the length of time it takes to settle cases, and claims of a lack of transparency.

          At their General Assembly in November last year, member countries agreed changes to the CCF which they say will “strengthen the integrity of Interpol’s information processing mechanisms.”

          Nina Vajić, the CCF Chairperson, said that while this could mean a more streamlined process in gaining information held by Interpol, the policing organization still has to rely on member countries to co-operate and provide data.

          Each Interpol member country has a National Central Bureau (NCB) who provide information for an Interpol wanted alert. “The Commission will always have to rely on the willingness of the NCB’s to co-operate, because according to the principle of national sovereignty, the national bureau’s remain owners of that data,” she told Al Jazeera.

          As Yehovah Lives, so should we

        • Timmr

          Green notices are generic Interpol method to flag persons of concern. I don’t think it is just for sex offenses. Angel Watch is a US program specifically for people with sex crime convictions. Right? Angel Watch uses the green notice system. That is obvious, because internation criminal matters are handled through Interpol. But you are saying the Interpol has its own program to send notices about traveling people with past sex criminality?

          • David Kennerly

            INTERPOL has its own program insofar as it has the support from its member nations to practice it. The U.S. fully supports it as do many others. Indeed, the U.S. controls the dissemination of its own citizen’s criminal records and provides them to INTERPOL for just such a purpose. Just like with the much-in-the-news Red Notices being sent out at the request of Russia, for instance, in order to intercept its criminal or dissident citizens at borders, the U.S. is doing the same to us using INTERPOL. The additional capabilities being deployed by the U.S. of direct messaging to foreign destination countries on receipt of Registrant travel plans are being sent on to those specific countries that the Registrant intends to visit on a ‘per-trip’ basis so that could be seen as the “advance travel alert.” In contrast, the INTERPOL alert happens right at the destination port of entry as a result of the Immigration Officer sliding your passport through the reader and getting a match off of the INTERPOL database; a ‘continuously available record’ given to any (qualifying) country. Its beauty is that they don’t even have to have had any advance notice at all in order to realize, as soon as you arrive, that you are a sex offender; they just have to scan your passport.

            So this is very much a fully-redundant system that more greatly ensures a successful “intercept.”

            To recap, there is: An explicit one-time alert system which requires Washington to specifically alert a foreign destination of your intended travel as well as a ‘continuously available’ database system using INTERPOL’s computer network. I’m less clear if that takes the form of a “Green Notice” (it would seem to be the appropriate type of notice based upon INTERPOL’s explanations of the different Notices) or if it may be a ‘diffusion’, instead.

            Still, that system is probably best seen as the U.S. doing it to us rather than INTERPOL, itself. INTERPOL is just passing on the information that the U.S. wants them to pass on, although INTERPOL is hardly a disinterested party in these matters. As an organization they have gone in big on anything having to do with sex and kids and they are eager to ramp this program up and drum up some enthusiasm.

            Just a bit more background on INTERPOL: Of the 190 member nations, each has its own INTERPOL branch staffed entirely by nationals of that country. In the U.S., those INTERPOL agents are run out of the U.S. D.O.J. but co-managed by it and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security which includes lots of agencies including Customs, Border Patrol, Immigration and ICE. So all Interpol agents are law enforcement in their own right as agents of those other agencies.

            Beyond providing the common database linking all of the agencies together with their foreign counterparts, INTERPOL allows them to collaborate with foreign law enforcement and to collect intelligence, conduct joint investigations, stage simultaneous raids and choreograph arrests and prosecutions, etc. When you see big multi-nation raids on child porn happening simultaneously on two or three continents, such as with the AZOV Video takeover and resultant stings that resulted in the arrests of hundreds of people in many countries, it was, most likely, INTERPOL coordinating it.

          • Son of Liberty Child of Freedom

            A little less know Notice by INTERPOL is the: Diffusions Notices.

            “Countries can also use Interpol systems to circulate ‘Diffusions Notices,’ which are described as ‘less formal’ than Red Notices and are also used to request the arrest or location of an individual.”

            Another US Government Dept. which must be better understood is the :

            “National Central Bureau”

            “Each Interpol member country has a National Central Bureau (NCB) who provide information for an Interpol wanted alert. “The Commission will always have to rely on the willingness of the NCB’s to co-operate, because according to the principle of national sovereignty, the national bureau’s remain owners of that data,” she told Al Jazeera.”

            The Eternal Father in Heaven be with us.

  23. abolishtheregistry.com

    If everything is accurate in the stories above it sounds like they aren’t just giving notifications as they say they are and instead are restricting travel. It’s being done under “confidential” statues to hide it no doubt.

    Copies of the “confidential” interpol paper would be great.

    • Renny

      I wonder if the people who dig for Wikileaks might take on this challenge?

      I am sure these notices are sent via email and that means on a server or desktop somewhere, there is an opening where a good hacker can get in and find a copy of these and other notices.

      Where would this stand on the rules of Classified material? Are these notices Classified and unavailable via FOIA?

      I do not recall anyone mentioning trying FOIA to get a copy.

      If these notices are not Classified then a good OSINT guy/gal should be able to find a copy. I am a fair, but not great OSINT guy.

    • Renny

      In a memo to ICE Field Office Directors from ICE Acting Director Wesley Lee dated May 20, 2005:

      Subject: Addition of Chapterl9, Section 18, International Police Organization (INTERPOL) of the Detention and Deportation Officer’s Field Manual (DDFM)

      The DDFM is updated to reflect the addition of Section 18, Chapter 19. Accordingly, the DDFM is updated as follows:

      II. POLICY

      DRO (Office of Detention and Removal Operations) personnel shall complete ‘Green Notice’ applications (Appendix 19-16) as the situation dictates.
      Green Notice applications will be completed on those cases where the subject being removed is a registered sex offender and/or a known gang member whose “gang” conducts operations outside of the United States.

      In fairness, this change seems to be targeting sex offenders who are entering the US, however it shows that the Green Notices existed for sex offenders worldwide via INTERPOL prior to May 20, 2005.

      I am looking for the DDFM Appendix 19-16. If I find it, I will try to find a way to post it.

      As a side note: the Appendices referenced in the memo were partially redacted, in other words they were converted to images as opposed to text like the rest of the document.

      Source: https://www.ice.gov/doclib/foia/dro_policy_memos

    • Renny

      Here it is…..

      I wrote a long post to go with this, but my post was not accepted and I lost it.

      I could only find one country that did not block the Green Notice Form: Nepal
      https://cid.nepalpolice.gov.np/images/interpol/interpol-2073-03-13.pdf

      One thing I would like to see discussed is the section labeled “Caution”
      Caution
      Amnesic
      Armed
      Dangerous
      Depressive
      Addicted to drugs
      Escape Risk
      Mentally Ill
      Infectious
      This person is liable to commit sexual offences involving minors
      This person is liable to use pictures of minors for pornographic purposes for his own gain
      Suicidal
      Under medical treatment
      Violent
      Other

      What exactly do they mean by mentally ill? Does PTSD qualify? What is other? Are even real Americans who are infectious having their medical records given to INTERPOL? People with depression have Green Notices filed on them?!?!

      Again… WTF is “other?”

      How many real Americans have had Green Notices on them and did not know it? How many Americans have been injured, harassed, blackmailed or killed because of information leaked by a corrupt police officer in a far away land? I bet that number is greater than 0. No wonder they refuse to release these completed forms. Every single American that thinks they might have been subject to a Green Notice should file a FOIA to see the notice. The media should be contacted. The OIG audit in 2008 revealed that 75% of all Green Notices were originated in the US. Good Lord people, our government is out of control.

      If just ONE real American that has PTSD, a disease, or is one of the “others” was hurt because of information leaked from a Green Notice, those people who filed the form need to be held legally and personally responsible as criminals.

      ~~~
      Green Notice Form

      IDENTITY PARTICULARS
      Family name:
      Family name in the original script or Chinese Telegraphic Code:
      Family name at birth:
      Forename:
      Forename in the original script or Chinese Telegraphic Code:
      Sex:

      Date and place of birth
      Date:
      Town/Region:
      Country:

      Nationality Confirmed
      1.
      2.
      3.

      Caution
      Amnesic
      Armed
      Dangerous
      Depressive
      Addicted to drugs
      Escape Risk
      Mentally Ill
      Infectious
      This person is liable to commit sexual offences involving minors
      This person is liable to use pictures of minors for pornographic purposes for his own gain
      Suicidal
      Under medical treatment
      Violent
      Other

      ALIAS
      Also known as

      Family name
      Forename Date of Birth Town/Region Country
      1.
      2.
      3.

      Nicknames
      1.
      2.

      DETAILS
      Marital status:

      Father’s family name and forenames
      Family name:
      Forename:

      Mother’s maiden name and forenames
      Family name:
      Forename:

      Occupation:

      Languages spoken:
      1.
      2.

      Regions/Countries likely to be visited
      Country Town/Region
      1.
      2.
      3.
      Additional information:

      Identity documents
      Nationality
      Type
      Number
      Date of issue
      Expiry date
      Country of
      issue
      Town of
      issue

      IDENTIFICATION MATERIAL
      Photographs
      Fingerprints
      DNA
      Dental information
      Blood group:
      Clothing:
      Jewellery:
      Other personal effects:

      PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION
      Height (cm):
      Weight (kg):
      Hair:
      Eyes:
      Build:
      Distinguishing marks and characteristics:

      CASE
      Facts of the case
      Date:
      Town:
      Country:
      Offence Code(s):
      Summary:
      Additional facts of the case:

      ACTION TO BE TAKEN:
      JUDICIAL INFORMATION
      CONVICTION/SENTENCE1/1
      Charge(s) on which convicted
      Law covering the offence(s):
      Sentence imposed (imprisonment):
      Years:
      Months:

      Time limit for enforcement:

      Conviction/sentence
      Number:
      Date of issuance:
      Issuing or competent judicial authorities and place of issuance:

      Was the subject present in court when the judgment was rendered?
      Yes/No

      Name of signatory:

      • ML

        Are you saying that the Green notices contain language with statements like, “This person is liable to commit sexual offences involving minors
        This person is liable to use pictures of minors for pornographic purposes for his own gain”?
        This is actually what the Green notices contain?

      • Timmr

        My question, too. The link is to a red notice form. Do you have one to a green notice?

      • Timmr

        I found it. Yes that is what is on the green notices.
        “Depressive”? They give a notice for that. I’m sometimes feeling quite down. They going to detain me and give me Zoloft?

  24. James

    Thanks, Robert, I thought the process was fairly standard and easy, not involving the stonewalling that you and apparently others have encountered.

    I suppose we could individually sue and conduct discovery, but this would presuppose a high degree of free time and sophistication that most of us do not possess.

    Also, most of us just prefer to hunker down and keep out heads low.

    And why shouldn’t we? All of us to a one degree or another have been battered by the legal system.

    I’m not saying this is good or bad, I’m just saying it is true for most of us.

    Thanks again for the information,

    Good Luck & Best Wishes to Everyone

    James

  25. John

    Sorry if this is in the wrong post… Once again asking about domestic travel. Maybe we have a new person in the group that could give me there opinion. I’ve emailed Janice but I received no response. I had a 10 year registration that’s expired. However uncertain as to what federal/state laws I need to follow. I need someone’s opinion on my travel plans. I’m going to South Carolina for 7 days 6 nights my layovers are in Detroit and Atlanta. Michigan and South Carolina are sorna states. Not sure how to stay legit or if I even need to register/ tell someone ect.

    • James

      Dear John:

      Please see here as a resource on this website….one of many great things about this place:

      http://all4consolaws.org/us-sex-offender-registration-laws/

      S. Carolina is apparent 10 days for visitors…but check on this and verify personally….

      I went back East for a death in the family earlier this year…but made sure to only stay a week, that state’s limit.

      Some places are extraordinarily dangerous for us….FL and NV come to mind.

      So check the list and be careful anyway.

      Best Wishes, James

      • Redeemed1

        Am I reading the Virginia summary right? Is it really saying that one can visit up to 29 days without registering? I must be reading that wrong.

    • Paul

      Hi John,

      Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but being relieved of the requirement to register in one state does NOT relieve you of the requirement to register in the other 50. Most (if not all) states base the requirement to register on the underlying conviction, and not your requirement to register. Therefore, if you are relieved of the duty in one state, the duty carries over as you still have that conviction. Now, there are a few exceptions, but I don’t think the states you listed have any that apply.

      You’ll have to check with the laws of the states you plan on visiting to understand what the timeframe is that triggers registration. Go beyond that timeline, and there’s a very real possibility that you’ll be facing a charge for failure to register if the authorities discover your status.

      Hope that helps.

      • John

        I can’t find anything on whether or not I would have to register for say 2 hour layover . Has anyone else figured out if you register during a layover in which case there would be no time to do it.

        • Paul

          I’ve done plenty of layovers all over the country and with the exception of Alabama, I don’t know of a single one that would require registration for a 2 hour layover. Most states provide a minimum of 24 hours; Alabama mandates registration “immediately”, whatever the heck that means.

      • Curiouser

        Hi Paul,

        I always wondered about that. I am aware that some states base their requirement to register on the underlying conviction and not about one’s current requirement to register. That being said, we all know there are just four states with lifetime (no tiered system) requirements, California being one of those. So let’s say a person earns a Certificate of Rehabilitation in California. At that point, he/she no longer registers here. When traveling to another state with a tiered system, wouldn’t the underlying conviction’s requirement to register be based upon the destination state’s tiers?

        Any info or opinion you have on this would be welcome.

        Happy holidays!

        • FRegistryTerrorists

          Curiouser:

          I’m curious why you say “states with lifetime (no tiered system) requirements”. I don’t think “lifetime” and tiers are tied together in any way (and you probably didn’t mean that). For example, Georgia has a tiered Registry but one of the tiers requires lifetime Registration. They could have no tiers and still require different lengths of Registration, including life.

          But for sure, any state can have a law that says you must Register if you have committed crime X and you go there. Doesn’t matter if the state that you come from says that you don’t have to Register.

        • John

          This is why I don’t understand why someone gets so excited about getting off the registry… Sure it’s good for your state only. But then your like me. You still have to comply with federal Adam Walsh which says you must register including your state whether or not it is adam Walsh compliant. So you would be in violation of federal law if you did not register in your state that just relieved you of your duty to register. And my state will not register me even though I have tried.

        • curiouser

          I’m almost to the point where, if/when i get off the California registry, and I have a desire to vacation to another state, AND if they demand I register there for a X-day stay, or face the consequences of whatever torture they choose to inflict on me, well, I’ll just register there. Maybe I’ll make it a mission to register in all 50. What the heck. It will be like collecting those decals for the back of the camper door. We can show up at ACSOL meetings in jackets with patches from each of the states where these insane laws require us to register, even though we’ll never be there again.

    • GRR

      John,
      If you are relieved of registering in the state that you were convicted in, you do not have to register in any state period. but please have your attorney confirm this with you.

      • Paul

        That’s incorrect information. There are literally boatloads of stories out there of guys who were relieved of their duty to register in one state; moved to another; and landed a felony for failure to register.

      • Redeemed1

        Unfornuately GRR, this advice is not correct. I’m afraid that Paul was correct. I am in the exact same boat as John, and I have called a couple of states and they told me that I would have to register if I exceeded the “day” limit.

      • Tired Of Hiding

        Would you happen to have any links to that information? I am sure that there are a significant number such as myself in the same situation. It is a question that might even vary from from state to state…you know that none of this makes any sense and certainly doesn’t follow any sort of logic!

        Thank you

          • Tired Of Hiding

            I could find nothing related to the question on those links. However, thank you for taking the time to post it.

            Only an attorney can answer this question and even then it is uncertain if that “legal advice” is correct there is so much contradictory laws that vary state to state.

            • Paul

              Look no further than California. Regardless of your status in another state, if you have that conviction and move here, then welcome to the lifer’s club. Same is true with Florida.

              • Tired Of Hiding

                How is this not double jeopardy?

                Can someone with a law degree please explain this to me (and others) who do not have the benefit of access to a lawyer. I do not care to hear what you think is true or might be true or a friend of your friend read something somewhere.

                Thank you for your kindness!

                • Chris F

                  I’m not a lawyer, but you probably won’t get any response from a lawyer on here. They normally only talk to you in person and don’t risk posting legal advise for free.

                  Unfortunately, with Smith V Doe (2003) SCOTUS agreed with the state that Sex Offender registration is regulatory and not punitive.

                  Therefore, any registration requirements won’t be able to challenge their constitutionality for things like Double Jeopardy, ex-post-facto, cruel and unusual punishment or many other protections that should be viable challenges.

                  There are some wins recently though, like in the 6th circuit, where all of the restrictions added since 2003 have pushed registration way into punitive land. Unfortunately, few elected judges would rule in our favor when that would cost them their next election and all they have to do is site the Smith V Doe ruling and be done with it.

  26. T

    Are there still any actions taken against the IML, and what happens if the IML is lifted, will registrants still be required to do the 21 day notification? will the angel watch cease their operation of sending out alert notices to the country about a registrant having a criminal record, and claiming the risk of recidivism? will a registrant be able to travel to the country he was denied entry from in the past, but be able to clear through immigrations upon arrival? What will happen, if the IML is lifted?

    • PK

      I don’t think that IML would actually be lifted initially.

      The Appeal would enable the original Case against IML, that was dismissed, to move forward.

      It still remains unclear if an Injunction would be possible through a successful Appeal. The original IML Injunction Request was denied last summer. I don’t know when an Injunction Request could be re-filed, or if that would even be possible.

      Very little information has been given about the Appeal and how long the Process would take, or what the successful outcome of the Appeal would entail.

  27. David Kennerly, still radioactive after all these years

    The challenge to IML is in the courts, now as an appeal to the decision to dismiss it by Judge Phyllis Hamilton. I have not seen the appeal, itself. Perhaps Janice could post it.

    Since the practice of notifying countries of the sex offender status of its citizens by the U.S. Government predated the passage of IML, and under an authority which remains mysterious and, to our minds, highly questionable from a legal or constitutional standpoint, then any overturning of IML may well NOT result in a cessation of these alerts to foreign countries and, hence, we may well continue to be refused entry at their borders. It will only be if the judge who decides this case rules against both IML as well as the practices which predated it that we may enjoy complete relief from foreign notifications.

    In the absence of such a comprehensive ruling, the obligation to provide 21 day advance notice will then depend upon the state in which you are domiciled and as a result of its conformance to the Adam Walsh Act although such notifications to ones state may still be required but not necessarily communicated to foreign countries. Yes, very complicated.

    Subsequent attempts to reenter countries you may have once been refused as a result of American notifications to that country will be subject to that country’s policies and, it must be noted, the discretion of the immigration agent considering your entry upon arrival. Officials on-duty at ports of entry often have a very wide latitude to deny entry to visitors. Many countries take into consideration the facts of someone having ever been refused entry into their country at one time. They are capable of keeping records of such refused earlier attempts (and embarkation cards we may be required to complete routinely ask about such earlier refusals) and, since they, alone, get to determine eligibility of travelers to enter their countries, and not the U.S. Government, then this will necessarily mean that your successful entry will not be entirely predictable.

    Essentially, once the U.S. has chosen to share facts about us with a country it can never fully ensure that that country will then “unknow” those facts and that any remedy which the U.S. might make to its erstwhile policy (i.e. if it does ever fully reverse the policy of advance notice) will not ensure that damage to your reputation as a traveler that has already been done can ever be undone.

    In short, any rights restored to us by the U.S. government confer no responsibilities upon foreign governments to let us in. This can be seen, from our government’s vantage point, as a particularly clever “feature” of IML which (they believe) fully insulates them from responsibility for the harms which might befall us, their citizens.

    This make the IML regime and the secret regime which it appears to have statutorially legitimated particularly insidious. This is also why I have made no attempts at foreign travel since I first read that foreign notifications were about to begin some years ago (in an INTERPOL press release which subsequently disappeared), not wanting to leave a permanent record of refused entry attempts that might hinder my travel in the future and after the possible overturning of these policies.

    For this reason, I have not been refused entry into any country but neither have I attempted to travel since taking that conscious decision.

    Fasten your seat belts; we’re in for a bumpy ride!

    • abolishtheregistry.com

      A core challenge argument has been brought up by a few of us for a bit and you’re absolutely correct. The same goes for the registry as well. If lawyers refuse to cut the root out, we’ll continue to suffer. They’ll just figure out new ways to continue the process. The idea that ‘IT can’t be abolished overnight’ is absolutely true IF NOBODY TRIES.

      • T

        There’s an old saying that “The only thing necessary for triumph of evil, is for good people to do nothing”.

    • James

      Mr. Kennerly:

      Geeze, what a fine analysis!

      Thanks for taking the time for such an incisive review of the state of our lives…

      Good stuff, as always, from you.

      Best Wishes, James

      • David Kennerly, still radioactive after all these years

        Thank you for your kind words, James. Happy holidays!

    • Timmr

      What about countries using notices to keep dissidents or disfavored individuals from leaving the country to find sanctuary? There is sometimes a difference in perception of danger. One country thinks a person is dangerous and the rest of the world may see him a as a political pawn. Interpol notices sent out purely for political reasons has been deemed by the UN as a violation of the Declaration of Human Rights. Could there be a argument crafted to show that RSOs in general and misdemeanors and those who offenses never involved any trafficking or sex tourism are unjustly thrown under the disfavored class blanket, basically to be political pawns to the US government? Then the notices are no more than means used simply to keep registrants from escaping the US, sole purpose being further persecution?

      • David Kennerly, still radioactive after all these years

        INTERPOL is currently coming in for heavy criticism for its willingness to carry member nation’s “most wanted” messages (Russia, especially) which are thinly disguised efforts to persecute political dissidents.

        This is not a new thing and is the focus of a great number of complaints from human rights organizations. Our challenge will be to convince those entities that we are being similarly abused. The problem is that we have been convicted in U.S. courts for what are now widely seen as serious crimes of moral turpitude, not for reasons of political dissent. If we were “vanilla gay” then that would also be widely considered as persecution of a “legitimate” minority by many nations.

        Not only that but INTERPOL has revived, what had been just a few years ago, its flagging fortunes by insinuating itself directly into the middle of several hot-button emergent social trends which, in our case, is the war on “human trafficking” and “worldwide pedophile networks,” never mind that their facts are every bit as specious as these pressure groups’ data has always been. They have dedicated task forces for these specific campaigns and an ambitious and zealous “Pedo-Finder General” in the form of Irishman Mick Moran who goes to all the right international social re-engineering confabs which were the origin of policy recommendations which ultimately resulted in IML, itself. They have truly worldwide support for these efforts and have managed to monopolize all media coverage having to do with “sex offenders” and “travel.”

        So there’s that.

        • Timmr

          Yeah I think we have to quit letting them script the dialogue towards being about sex offenders and more towards being about former prisoners of the state, who have paid their dues, deserving full citizenship.

    • Lake County

      I agree with you David. It’s a big mistake for any registered citizen to attempt to travel while our government is sending any notice to other countries. Once you are flagged by any country as undesirable, any change in U.S. law is unlikely to reverse any country’s decision to not ever allow you future entry. Once we are flagged in their computer, we will likely forever be flagged in their computer. It’s not like our country is going to send out letters to other countries stating that our courts found IML to be unconstitutional and that previous notices sent should be disregarded.

  28. T

    Is it possible to recommend changes to be made in the IML? such as when the feds are handing out alert notices to that country, that instead of doing it to inform that a registrant has a criminal record and claiming recidivism, they should recommend to that country that the registrant go through special screening and verification, go through some establish agreement to follow the laws of that country, and let them go about their business along with the “enjoy your visit, stay out of trouble”.

    • David Kennerly, still radioactive after all these years

      Well, no the law can’t be changed in that way simply because there is no advantage for Congress to do so. The only real hope for change is with the courts that could invalidate all or part of the law. Beyond that, it would be highly unorthodox for the U.S. to recommend scrutiny of their citizens without stating a reason why. I can’t imagine that ever happening. As it is, the U.S. is claiming that they’re not making any recommendations to the foreign governments at all, simply communicating the fact of their criminal conviction which they allege is within their authority. Now that they possess that authority, there is no way that they will give up that power voluntarily.

      • PK

        “As it is, the U.S. is claiming that they’re not making any recommendations to the foreign governments at all, simply communicating the fact of their criminal conviction which they allege is within their authority.”

        In my case they “communicated” inaccurate conviction information.

        Instead of “communicating the fact” or the actual conviction of a misdemeanor, they indicated that I was convicted of f****** Sexual Assault.

  29. T

    When the IML was passed and signed, was this done legitimately? Was the IML secretly passed just to get the President to signed it and become law? Did the President know about the IML before he signed it?

    • David Kennerly, still radioactive after all these years

      I would say that it was entirely illegitimate in that it is unconstitutional. Obama may have not known of the preexisting system of alerts although that is doubtful. He certainly was fully briefed on the law and its expected implementation as well as a legal analysis before he signed it. He’s no friend of ours.

  30. ML

    Is there a link to the exact info in the IML? My question is if a person is not now required to register do will the notices be sent and are they required to give notice? What if the person has deferred adjudication so that it is not in the state database or the FBI database? Any opinion?

      • Chris F

        This is confusing.

        The International travel notifications appear to be required by ANYONE that should be registered based on SORNA guidelines and convicted. The term convicted does not appear to include deferred adjudication based on section 111 of the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006 (42 U.S.C. 16911). However, it doesn’t look like it matters that your state doesn’t require you to register, you still notify? So, if you meet the criteria to be registered under SORNA, even if you aren’t registered in your state, you still have to do this?

        Later, it shows that those getting the passport mark do have to currently be registered somewhere. I can’t find that requirement in the top section for those that have to notify of international travel though.

        Can someone re-read this as I must be missing something.

        Also, I know that most states I’ve looked into do require registration even if you are deferred adjudication so I am surprised IML doesn’t as well for notification.

        Confusing…

        • ML

          So if in TX and you have deferred Adjudication and successfully go through the deregistration process, IML does not apply?

          • Chris F

            As far as I can tell, and I am in Texas with deferred adjudication, it looks like if you have deferred and you get off the registry then you don’t get the passport mark and don’t have to notify anyone of travel since it says it only applies to those “convicted”.

            I am curious how you’ll get off the registry early though in Texas. They require you to be registered at least as long as the federal guidelines which are sometimes longer than Texas requirements and then you have to get a blessing from your treatment provider and sex offender board and then get a judge to approve it. I don’t think even 1/3 make it through that last step of those that apply with all blessings in hand.

            • ML

              Well I am at the last step. I have spent $7500 to date and if we have a hearing, it will cost a lot more. I am not optimistic but it is the only chance that I have.

            • lovewillprevail

              Reply to Chris F

              It does not matter if you are on deferred adjudication in Texas. If you read the federal SORNA law, a deferred adjudication is considered a conviction. I also read somewhere a federal judge ruled the same. And since you are considered convicted under federal law, then if your crime involved a minor, then your passport will have a mark. I have researched all this because I was on deferred adjudication in Texas and successfully completed the deferred adjudication.

              You must be registered at least as long as SORNA. As far as early release of Texas registration, read the last part of Texas Code of Criminal Procedures Chapter 62. This explains who is eligible. You can also go to the Council on Sex Offender Treatment (Texas) website and they also explain. To get off, you first must meet the criteria which is very narrow. Then you have to pay a $50 fee to this agency and send all the requested documents. They will then let you know if you are eligible. Then you have to pay @$2,500 for an evaluation. If after the evaluation you are still deemed eligible, then you have to hire an attorney and petition your original court. I have been told it usually costs $10-20k for the whole process. And to top it off, the judge can refuse to even accept to hear your petition, or hear your petition and deny. Since most judges in Texas are elected, how do you think they rule? And in reality, I have heard only about 50 people out of 80,000 have been successful at this process. And the R vs D does not matter because judges from both parties from what I have heard are denying to hear petitions. They want to appear tough on crime so they can get re-elected.

              Sorry to burst your bubble. But, Texas Voices of Reason and Justice is doing what they can now and in the future to lobby to make it easier for de-registration. Support this group. That is your best bet.

  31. Brian

    Good morning,

    My wife and I are planning a vacation to honeymoon to Jamaica in May. I am a RSO from Washington State (20yrs ago) and currently the lowest level 1. I havent been on Probabtion in 10+ years. We are just now getting ready to get our Passports. Is there anything I should know or be aware of? Should I list my anticipated travel? And will I have issue with Jamaican travel?

    Thank You,

    • jo

      I will be surprised if you get in

    • Tired Of Hiding

      I would second that opinion that you will not be allowed in and what a great way to start a marriage – NOT!

      My recommendation would be to change your plans for Puerto Rico. Just as amazing and you are still on US soil so no problems in or out. Romantic white sand beaches. The scuba diving is great, the food is fantastic, the rainforest is amazing.

      Why take the chance to letting the government mess up such a special occasion?

    • Joseph Ajlouny

      You have enough time to apply for a visa. That way there will be no surprises. No saying you’ll get one but maybe you will. Congrats!

    • Skip Jamaica brah to save the hassle

      Brian,

      Washingtonian to Washingtonian, forget Jamaica and go Hawaii from WA. Ten day grace period to visit and no need to register as a RC. Done it myself and loved it.

      Puerto Rico is good as you go through either Houston or Miami on the way and it is a US Territory, but check on the visit length before registering needs to be done since it is a long day to get there from WA.

      • Brian

        Thank you for your concerns. I have been in touch with the Security Attache for the Jamaican embassy and they have written me after correspondence, saying i will be fine to visit. As for Grace period and registering…what do you mean by this? So long as I give 21 days notice before leaving I should be fine.

        • ma.concerned.citizen

          As far as I have been able to surmise, travel to Jamaica is still ok. I have also written directly to Jamaican officials (albeit it was a couple of years ago) and was told I would have no problem entering. Additionally, the travel matrix on this website states that as far as it knows, travel to Jamaica is allowed.

          My wife and I are hoping to get to Jamaica sometime this year. I will of course do as much fact checking at that point as I can, but all signs point to being able to enter still.

          What the other poster meant by 10 grace period is that you can visit Hawaii for up to 10 days before having to register there.

          Good luck with your trip, and do report back!

          • BD

            Thank you. I am just so worried to get turned away is all. Everything points toward being fine and I assume I will never be 100% sure until trying. I will look into insurance as well to protect against losses. Any ideas?

  32. Robert

    International Megan’s Law: One Year Later
    Washington, Feb 8, 2017

    One year to the date of its enactment, Rep. Chris Smith (NJ-04) reports that the International Megan’s Law is already having the intended effect of reducing the threat of child sex tourism.

    Smith, who authored the bill, met today with a delegation from Thailand who expressed deep gratitude for the enactment of the law. During the meeting, Ambassador Pisan Manawapat, joined by representatives from the Royal Thai Police force, indicated that in Thailand alone, over 160 convicted sex offenders were caught trying to enter the country. Worldwide reports indicate that 1,780 notifications of pedophile travel have been sent by 64 countries, with a particular emphasis on countries known to be primary destinations for child sex tourism.

    “This important legislation allows governments, in the U.S. and around the globe, to know when convicted pedophiles on sex-offender registries are traveling to other countries,” said Smith. “Information is power and the interest of protecting children remains at the core of both federal and state Megan’s Laws.”

    the rest here: http://chrissmith.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=400124

    • Zero evidence provided by the Rep from NJ

      With what evidence does Rep Smith have on the individuals who were traveling to do what he ASSUMES is being prevented by this law? Zero evidence. Did not see one word giving the intent of these people traveling to Thailand (or any other country) let alone they were traveling to carryon with what he ASSUMES the law prevents.

      This is a show off move because the US Navy pulls in there where they need this port of call for the fleet and Thailand needs the money. As a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, this makes him look good.

    • 4sensiblepolicies

      What a crock of B.S. Unconstitutional, fascist, B.S.. No allowance made for honest, family people. If someone was actually traveling for sex tourism with children, throw the book at ’em. Put ’em away for life. I don’t care. But where is the proof that this is anything other than restriction of the freedom to travel? Just because someone was turned away doesn’t mean they were traveling somewhere to do anything evil. Most likely just traveling for business or family reasons. Where is the justice for US Citizens who are not allowed to travel for legitimate purposes?

      This Chris Smith is a special kind of sicko for publicizing how successful his bull crap law is. No – it’s not successful Mr. Smith. It is a disgrace. Anyone who benefits from this law financially, such as several of Mr. Smith’s constituents and the bureaucrats who perpetuate it, share the blame in this anti-American atrocity. The fact that Smith revels in his ‘accomplishment’ should give us more resolve to see this black eye against freedom overturned. No matter how long it takes. No matter how many judges pretend it’s perfectly okay to strip a citizen of their rights as long as the legislation is crafted ‘cleverly’ to avoid it being a blatant violation of Constitutional rights.

      • Timmr

        Except that they can’t even justify that as a group, registrants are likely to be repeat offenders. Far from it. It was one of those alternative facts that the re-offense rate is frightening and high and promoted long before Rump came on the scene (smith vs. Doe), and stated by the courts he now hates.
        What a circus.

  33. T

    I have a question about the notification system why would the US Government not inform a registrant about the alert notices being sent out when they submit their travel information for notification, when they are going to be refused entry into a country?

    • Lake County

      Because the U.S. doesn’t “know” that you will be refused entry. That is determined by your destination country upon arrival. The U.S. is only notifying the country of your conviction(s). Although we know that our country’s intent is to keep us from travel and to further punish us.

      • T

        Well Lake County, I heard that when the alert notices are being sent out by the feds they are just directing immigrations of the countries to not let registrants in and to send them back. Registrants are required by federal law under the crazy IML to do notification of travel, and once they submit their travel plans to the authorities for notification, they then send out alert notices, and when the alert notices are sent out, they are saying “this person who is heading to your country has a criminal background of sexual offense, and is a risk of committing future crime in your country”, which of course is fallacious, because most registrants don’t ever reoffend and never pose any kind of risk like the public would believe. This notification done by the “angel watch” under the IML is nothing more than a setup for denial of entry into a foreign country for registrants and to exploit them and make their lives miserable, while people like Chris smith is being delusional and boasting about how the IML is effectively working and reducing child sex trafficking, and sex tourism.

        • Lake County

          “I heard that when the alert notices are being sent out by the feds they are just directing immigration of the countries to not let registrants in and to send them back.”

          This is what what some have been told by customs, however since we do not have access to copies of these notices, we don’t actually know exactly what they say. And despite what these notices say, it seems that some people have managed to enter countries that receive the notices. That is one reason why the U.S. can’t tell a RC that they will be refused entry. Also if the government told a RC that they will be refused entry, that would exceed what the IML says, which would give us grounds for filing a lawsuit. So if you have an actual copy of a request by the U.S. government stating not to allow us entry into any country, then send it to Janice so this will help our fight against the IML.

          You asked the question, I’m just answering your question. I’m not arguing with you on the government’s intention of these notices, I’m just stating why they can’t tell a RC that they will be refused entry upon arrival.

          • David Kennerly

            It’s disturbing that, as far as I can tell, we have not been able to obtain a copy of one or more of these notices.

            One would think that there would be a legitimate subpoena power to obtain them as parties to the lawsuit against IML.

            • Tuna

              The last I recall, it was stated on here that there was going to be another lawsuit mounted either in California or in another jurisdiction. Has anyone heard anything further on that?

            • Lake County

              Any time the government wants to keep non-NSA type information secret, it’s usually to hide something that they are doing wrong.

      • DavidH

        They’re going beyond merely notifying countries of one’s conviction(s)’ they are providing a cautiuonary and authoriative statement as well as to the likelihood/ or prospect of your committing a reoffense

  34. concerned registrant

    I’m surprised that no one has written about this yet. The European Parliament just voted to rescind the visa-free reciprocity agreement with the U.S. I have heard some pundits claiming that it is a response to Trump’s immigration travel bans, but that is not the case. Actually, back in 2014, the U.S. (along with Canada, Australia, and a couple other countries) started denying automatic visas for travel from Bulgaria, Poland, and a few other eastern European countries that are part of the Schengen region. This was due to security concerns. The European Parliament confronted the issue and set a deadline for compliance. All the other countries changed their policy, but not the U.S. We have now passed the deadline and the Parliament has decided to enforce U.S. travelers to get a visa before traveling to Europe. They say it will take two months to implement, and will last a minimum of one year. Longer if the U.S. doesn’t comply.
    The Economic Council of Europe does not want this to happen, nor does the European authorities for tourism, because they expect that it will reduce U.S. tourism and cause a great economic problem for Europe.
    Bottom line is this: Our ability to travel to Europe may soon be curtailed. All we can hope is that the EC can somehow stop this from happening. I doubt that the U.S. government is going to back down.

    • Tired Of Hiding

      The reason that I had not commented on this is that since the US gov is sending green notices to those countries anyway, and soon, we will have a mark on our passports that travelling to Europe or anywhere out of the USA is essentially already dead even without having to get a secondary Visa to visit Europe.

      There are much bigger fish to fry…

      • concerned registrant

        You are missing my point, Tired of Hiding. Europe has been open to registrants — one of the few places that are. I traveled twice to Europe last year and had no issues entering or leaving because their immigration officials at the airports don’t much care. Very tolerant. The green notices are sent, and it didn’t matter. As to the passport having an identifier: we don’t know yet what that will be, where it will be located in the passport, or whether the immigration officers will care. What we do know is that if we have to apply to an European embassy in order to get a visa before we can travel there, then getting approval to enter might be very difficult. Because the decision will at that point be up to bureaucrats located in the U.S.

  35. DRob

    Hi. I just sent in my application to renew my passport which expired last year. Wish me luck. I will report back to see if it comes with any “special” markings. I don’t want to book my flight to Spain and France until I get my passport.

    My questions if anyone knows. I live in CA, do we HAVE to give a 21-day notice to our local law enforcement? Fortunately the officer that handles the registrations in my city has been okay in working with. Also, anyone know of any restrictions in entering Spain or France and traveling within those countries? Lastly, looking at booking by tickets and some have layovers in London – will it be a problem if I have a layover in London?

    Just thinking about it stresses me out. I have an exchange student from France staying with me and have agreed to go visit him and his family in France this summer. Only going for about 15 days.

    Any info would be greatly appreciated. Also, can email me at reachconnectempower at gmail dot com

    • James

      Dear Rob:

      I’ll take a crack at this…though remember this is only my opinion.

      1. Yes, I believe you should give 21 day notice even though you live in CA and even if your agency doesn’t want it. There is a CA DOJ form for giving this notice…I recommend making it as general as possible, though they ask for specifics. (I got a copy of the notice from a ACSOL Meeting)

      2. I would avoid London, even for a layover. (just an opinion, but there are plenty of flights to Paris and Barcelona from LAX for example.)

      I was in France an Spain in 2014 twice…no entry problems, though I flew directly to Barcelona.

      Good Luck, let us know how it goes

      Best Wishes, James

      • GRR

        you will not get into LONDON. they will put you right back on the plane. Fly directly into Pairs.

        I’m in Ventura CA. and they gave me a 21 day notice to fill out if I planned on traveling out of the country. (Last November) I would, no matter what anyone says, fill out the notice and give it to your local registration officer.. It’s not a CA law but sooner or later the feds will make an example out of someone. I think it’s like a 10 year mandatory sentence.

        • j

          So UK is out then huh… sucks.

          I’m fortunate to still have my job here in California. We have an office in the UK. I’ve traveled there a few times in the past. If I won’t be allowed into the UK anymore that could affect my job.

          • James

            I would not go out of my way to test the following entry rules for the UK…but if one had no choice but to go to London…here are their entry rules…purported, I of course don’t really know.

            But here they are:

            You will also want to read the UK immigration rules here:
            https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/422941/20150406_Immigration_Rules_-_Part_9_final_v4.pdf

            Read this part:
            Grounds on which entry clearance or leave to enter the United Kingdom
            is to be refused
            (1) the fact that entry is being sought for a purpose not covered by these Rules;
            (2) the fact that the person seeking entry to the United Kingdom:
            (a) is currently the subject of a deportation order; or
            (b) has been convicted of an offence for which they have been sentenced to a period of
            imprisonment of at least 4 years; or
            (c) has been convicted of an offence for which they have been sentenced to a period of
            imprisonment of at least 12 months but less than 4 years, unless a period of 10 years
            has passed since the end of the sentence; or
            (d) has been convicted of an offence for which they have been sentenced to a period of
            imprisonment of less than 12 months, unless a period of 5 years has passed since the
            end of the sentence.

            So if you were sentenced to less than 12 months then after 5 years the UK won’t automatically deny you clearance to enter.

            ^^^^^^
            Good luck, print and carry a copy of the above with you.

            James

    • DRob

      Update: It only took 1 week for my passport renewal to be processed (I paid the extra fee for expedited service). I cannot see any markings on the passport that are unusual or identify me as registered. However, there is a warning on the inside back stating that “this document contains sensitive electronics.” That implies that there is a chip that has more information.

      I can now book my flights. Will book directly to Barcelona or Madrid for August or September. I will keep you all posted.

      • James

        Congratulations…that is a wise choice…BTW, our passports have long had chips in them….there are things we can’t do anything about, so we have to let them go.

        But a direct flight to Barcelona or Madrid is just smart.

        If you do got to Barcelona do try to make it 60 or so miles south to Tarragona, the Roman capital of Eastern Spain…a fine city today and…the ancient ruins are spectacular!

        Barcelona was nice, (take the tour that allows you to go to the roof of the Central Cathedral…oddly, a very special experience for me…largely a non religious person, but this cathedral touched me).

        I mean to write about how special the border area was, especially the Pyrenees…it was just fabulous!
        I’d link my video and images but…I can’t so do follow this link however.

        Enjoy yourself…not everyone will say this to you, but you deserve good things in your life.

        https://www.google.com/search?q=taragona&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=tarragona&*

        There is a wonderfully high Aqueduct outside of town also that you can walk across.

        In any case, enjoy for all of us….lol

        Best Wishes, James

        • DRob

          Thank you James. I’m looking forward to it. I have friends in Spain and France, so it will be amazing.

  36. T

    One day some countries are going to wake up and realize the devastation of the “angel watch” operation and does nothing good, and the IML will be stopped,

    • Tired Of Hiding

      Why would you assume that? With technology and databases being shared I think just the opposite. Devastation is a relative term and no government on earth has shown any compassion for sex offenders. Especially for foreign sex offenders.

      It anything travel is going to become totally impossible.

      • T

        Tired of hiding, I’m not assuming anything, I’m just saying that one day this is all going to change and people are going to someday wake up to the problem of the IML. The weakness of a man is not believing and doubting, and thinking negative, and you shouldn’t think negative like that. People can change no matter what they are thought of by the media and society in general, time moves on like clouds moving through the skies. You are right that no one will show any passion towards registrants, but only because they have been conditioned and manipulated to believe so through media, and then they become emotionally driven by fear, anger, and aggression which has made them what they are.

        • Nondescript

          It is called the Hegelian dialectic and divide and conquer strategy which has been used to oppress and control societies for aeons. They need to manufacture events to foster hatred and turn citizens against each in order to rule over everyone. Race, religion, and economic status has always been used, but they really made strides when their think tanks came up with idea of making everything a sexual perversion. The media is essentially their propaganda tool that makes it all possible in modern day society. The good thing is that people are waking up to this and the main stream media is losing credibility fast.

  37. Nondescript

    @DRob

    My husband ( a registrant) and I flew to Barcelona with a side trip flight to Paris with absolutely no problems. After embarking the plane and going through Customs, it was a relief to hear ” welcome to Spain”.

    Upon returning home the US customs told my husband he had to go over to a windowed office ( no reason given) . He sat in the office for about 7 min, where they ran his passport again, handed it back to him and said ” here you go, you are cleared”. No reason given, no questions asked, no inspection of luggage etc. I guess this is what is referred to as secondary inspection?

    At any rate, enjoy your vacation! Barcelona is amazing.

    P

    • Lee

      Did your husband have to give 21 days notice?

    • DRob

      Thank you. I am booking my flight this week. I’m exited and nervous at the same time, but good to hear it was a pleasant experience. I was told I still had to give a 21-day notice, so I will check into it. I’m in California. I will keep everyone posted.

  38. David

    *Question for travelers* I am trying to plan a cruise for my mom while she’s still able (80 yrs. old, & neither of us have been on a cruise). She lives in Texas and wants to go out of Galveston. Aside from US territories, I’m concerned about being turned back, embarrassed when we land for short forays ashore. Do you think I’d risk a problem if I get off at, say, Bahamas or another Caribbean country? Appreciate any advice.

  39. Mot

    You do not have to go ashore to get in trouble. I traveled on a cruise to Alaska with a stop on the return in British Columbia. We were not going to get off th ship since there was not a lot of time; anyway, I got a letter to come to the casino as soon as we docked. There were about 15 of us. I got taken to the Canadian Customs office and had to sit there for two hours and then was threatened with arrest for ‘illegally’ entering the country. Two officers went to our stateroom and search it and our luggage. I was then releaed and told NOT to return to Canada. So be careful and check before you leave.

    • David

      Oh, good grief. Thought I could do something nice for my aging mother while she can still handle it, and it would be really nice to think I could take a simple cruise without threat of problems. Frustrating, but I need to hear these things. Thank you.

      I’ve heard it’s best to steer clear of Mexico, but I wonder about Jamaica and Bahamas and Grand Caymons, those kinds of places. I’d be going ashore for a few hours with my 80 year old mom.

      • Lee

        David, if you have to give 21 days notice. Don’t go to those foreign places even on the cruise. You will be singled out and told you can’t get off the ship. We did this and got denied to go off shore in st Martin. Officers were nice but still… my suggestion if you must, try to plan a cruise that dock in Puerto Rico or us virgin island that way if you are denied in one foreign island, at least you get to go offshore with your mother on us territories one. Those you will have no problem.

  40. Lee

    We have a trip coming up from US-Paris-Budapest. Will we have any issues into our destination Budapest? I have to provide the 21 days notice due to Megan’s law. Thanks!

    • Paul

      Unfortunately, there is no definitive way to answer your question. It’s Europe, which bodes well for you. You’re entering through Paris, which is also in your favor as many others here have stated that they have had no issues entering via Paris. And you’ll be arriving in Budapest as a domestic passenger (assuming you’re departing from Paris). So everything is in your favor.

      The unfortunate reality, however, is that one never really knows until they arrive.

      Safe travels. And report back your success (or possible lack thereof).

  41. David

    My mom and I found something she likes and both stops are in the Bahamas. Does anyone have experience with Bahamas, as I’d rather look to Plan B. (not one yet) if there’s a good chance they’ll stop me. Thanks…

  42. Terry

    Posted this on other Int Travel after IML site but this is more active and my comments might be useful to more people:
    Been a long time, but thought I’d update. I wrote in June about no problem flying into Portugal.
    After six weeks, I flew into Amsterdam to pick up my car shipped from US.
    I’ve driven thru Schengen countries with no problem, obviously, as there are no border customs. Into Romania (non-Schengen), Bulgaria, Greece, Albania, Montenegro, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Hungary, and back to Romania. All fine, no problems.
    Prices are extremely low and there are millions of things to see. The Istrian peninsula (maybe 100 sq miles) has beaches, castles, caves, Roman ruins, 16th century Venetian-style city centers, vineyards, mountains, even dinosaur footprints!…you get the idea…all crammed together. And you can buy a nice 1 bedroom Condo in Pula for about $65k. 90 day rule though…90 day visa in country, 90 days out, then repeat.
    Albania has 12 months in and 90 days out. In Sarande, you can buy a beautiful Condo with a spectacular view for about $50k. And a monster seafood feast in a fine waterfront restaurant for $8!
    It’s so pleasant not to have to put up with all the crap in the US. I miss my family and friends, but I’ll just buy their airfare and bring them over for visits. Really don’t plan on coming back, at least until the US pulls its collective head out of its ass.
    Seen from afar, America’s hypocrisy is hard to comprehend. Europe is not perfect, but in our cases, light years ahead of the puritanical, unforgiving, “good Christian” nation that the US has become. A brief example…when you’re driving between towns (and many of the Balkan drivers here are unbelievably stupid! – side note) you will see a guy pulled over, peeing on the side of the road, with his junk fully exposed for all the world to see…no attempt to cover or shield from the passing cars and possible “children,” and neither he nor they could care less. Natural bodily function. In the US, he would be arrested on the spot and his conviction, no matter how minimal, would label him a sex offender! Bravo America! Another evil doer punished for life! In Europe, he was just a guy that couldn’t hold it until the next town!
    Donald Trump is not the cause, just a symptom. When will we ever learn!

    • Lee

      Terry, did you have to do the 21 days notice?

    • James

      Thank you, thank you, thank you Terry…what a fabulous post by you!

      I am probably lucky enough that if I were careful with money I could do something like this….but I lack the courage, and so I will continue to just bury my head in my work….not necessarily a bad thing.

      Still for all of us, the kind of dream you posted about is great just because it is so hopeful.

      I maybe should also state my complaint that it seems odd that Europe will accept almost any refugees, but in truth it should be RSO’s that should be able to flee the political insanity of the United States!

      Anyhow, thanks for your thoughts and information on this.

      Very Best Wishes, James

  43. David

    Has anyone been to Bahamas? I want to take my 80 yr. old mom on a cruise, and since the Puerto Rico stop-off cruises are 7 days (too much for her), I’m planning a 4 day cruise with 2 stop-overs, both in Bahamas. Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines say we don’t need passports for those stops as long as we have birth certificates and driver’s licenses.

    Has anyone been to Bahamas and think I’ll be okay on this? The stops are only for 3-4 hours, but I would hate to get turned back. Advice would be most appreciated.

  44. Lee

    How about Frankfurt, is that okay for just connection/transfer, while the destination is somewhere else in Europe?

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