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Living with 290

Living with 290: Annual update question

I did my annual update today in San Bernardino County. I have owned the same home for 3 years. Unfortunately the utility bills are all in my wife’s name. I have been following these posts and receive email updates but this is my first post.

The last 2 years the Victorville Police Dept has required a utility bill and a letter from my wife stating I live with her. I have read the PC 290.015 code and presented them today with one of my bank statements. After asking them to pull up the code or if they would allow me to read it to them, they said they would not accept it. I told them I am not on probation or parole and therefore their piece of paper stating what “THEY” need means nothing to me. I asked them to show me a municipal or County code which overrides or amends the state’s penal code. They said that the state lets the registering agency decide what documentation they wish to accept. I asked “so the law means nothing then?” Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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  1. Harry

    The one thing for sure, cops do think they are above the law. The second thing, if you wish pursue the subject matter consult a qualified PC 290 lawyer. If, he/she has information that support you understanding of PC290 a letter by the lawyer on your behalf to the police chief or equivalent brass would be the best procedure, IMO. I would not mess around with the bullies on the ground.

    • Steve G

      I agree, it is always best to keep yourself off of the Police Radar. You are making yourself into a target and that is a shame. Just do your best to comply or move to another jurisdiction with better terms. While that is most unlikely then, just do as they say and provide what they ask for.

  2. Nondescript

    California PC290.015-

    [Copies of adequate proof of residence, which shall be limited to a California driver’s license, California identification card, recent rent or utility receipt, printed personalized checks or other recent banking documents showing that person’s name and address, OR any other information that the registering official believes is reliable.]

    Yes, they are 1/2 correct- that the State allows each registering agency to decide which documentation to accept if NOT listed above. Meaning, if they feel that some other document ( real estate, certain mailings etc) that shows your name and address on it is reliable, they can accept that in lieu of the ones listed. They must, however, accept the ones described in the actual code.

    If you don’t have a Calif drivers license you should get a Calif ID- just to avoid this kind of stress.

    • FRegistryTerrorists

      I would say that a bank statement clearly qualifies and that this LE agency was not following the law.

      I expect that this person had to go get different documents and return to the government building, etc. It would be fun to send this criminal LE agency and their attorneys a letter demanding that they cover all of those costs, including for time. I expect they would decline so they should then be sued. Seems like an easy win. And it would hopefully make the LE agency be more careful with their harassment.

  3. my say

    I would have to agree to “not rock the boat”. its generally very easy to give them what they ask for. It’s usually best to do so. That can be taken as being subjected to laws that they “make up” but its easier than getting yourself arrested/charged and returned to prison.

    That said, If you are sure you are in the right and they cant bring any charges vs you then do as you please. But don’t let them get anything on you, if you piss them off, as they will not hesitate to arrest.

    many would say I’m being to submissive, but 25 years of registration, I’ve learned it’s easiest to “go along to get along”. I don’t have full knowledge of the laws nor a high power attorney behind me.

    Quick side bar… the U.S. has over 10,000 federal laws. do you know them all? Don’t talk to LEA and don’t piss them off. It’s just a general thing that when i deal with them, i pay very close attention to. It’s not a perfect fit for your exact situation but just a general thought.

    • Steve

      Completely agree! As I said in another post, for now, as long as it’s not egregious, comply. You don’t need cops writing a bad report about you when you petition for removal.

  4. C

    Can you put a utility bill in your name? No vehicle registration to satisfy them?
    I concur with the crowd above: just give them what they want and don’t ruffle any feathers. Ticking them off will only draw more heat your way and make it harder on the next guy in line when he/she registers.
    On the outside all Yes sir/No sir on Price Club Day, but on the inside well, that’s another story.
    If you’re itchin’ for a fight, don’t pick it with the line level grunts who have a ton of responsibility and no authority. Pick it with those who can actually make an adjustment.
    Otherwise, get in and get out so you can live your life.
    My .02.

  5. Tired Of Hiding

    You need to remember that these are not normal people but people who were probably bullies in high school and now that they are in the real work the only way for them to continue to bully others is to become pigs.

    Remember that just like the impotent bullies they were in high school the only way these pathetic individuals can feel like they are anything is to bully those least able to fight back…YOU!

    Do not feed into their petty torment. Do not give them what they crave. The only thing these people have in their empty lives is the ability to scare you. Do not argue with them and watch all their power fade away when they see you are unaffected by them.

    If all they are asking for is a utility bill then get one! Have your wife transfer the water bill into your name!

  6. Son of Liberty Child of Freedom

    @ the writer of the post.

    Nondescript speaks Truth at the Micro level with a correct understanding of yours and many others present Position at this moment in time.

    Tired Of Hiding speaks Truth at the Marco level with a correct understand for all practical purposes in that you now have a clear path to follow.

    I suggest making a business decision by focusing on ROI* that is to say where are your energies best allocate for a better future for you & yours.

    * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_on_investment

    I speak a True Song

    As Yehovah Lives, so should we

    • Joe

      If Ms. Rosa Parks had focused on ROI she would have sat a few rows back on the bus and been home in time to cook supper.

      More importantly, if Ms. Janice Bellucci had done a rudimentary cost / benefit analysis, she would still be a corporate attorney today, billing at $1,000 / hour instead of being known nationally as the pedophile lawyer. Talk about a career killer. And maybe worse.

      Sometimes you just gotta do what you think is right, damn the consequences. How does it go… show up, stand up, speak up?

      If not you – who? If not now – when?

      • newby

        the best comment to this discussion yet….totally agree..

  7. my say

    I’m sure that everyone has different experiences with law enforcement but I’ve never viewed them as bullies or anything of the sort. for all my time (roughly 25 yrs) they have always been at the very least professional, if not down right friendly and helpful. I simply bring them what they ask for on my annual registration – I’m in and out with no hassles. That goes so far as this last year (I live in Sacramento) that they don’t even begin registration until 7 am but started taking people at 6:30 am, just so us early birds could get on with our day. I was the 3rd person in line and was out by 7:15. Ive had police contact at my home 1 time since off parole and that was just them seeing if i lived where i said I do – that was 8 years ago. I did not let them inside and kept my answers short and without any attitude. side thought – i work full time and am not home during the day.

    perhaps i have simply been very fortunate. Seems to me, from my experience, they (registering officers) are just doing their jobs. If i have my ducks in a row (so to speak) they have so many people to deal with every day that i pass them by without incident, they just don’t have the time to bother with me. Hmm maybe score plus one for a bloated registry? I dunno. but it works for me.

    I would love to drive the point home with people entering the registry that if you are just easy to get along with, then they are also, and they wont bother you much as they have so many “problem children” to deal with, it will make your own life easier.

    i would create a topic on this alone but i can’t seem to find how to do that.

    Best of luck to us all. (sb 421)

    • AlexO

      Peoples experience vary greatly from city-to-city, even if they’re next door. I live in a large city and never really had any issues with my annual registration nor does it take more than 15 minutes to complete everything. But I know people for whom it’s a nightmare nearly every year and they live in a city next to me. Last year it took a friend over 3 weeks and multiple visits to get his registration done as every time the station wasn’t ready, or the person was out, or they didn’t have the paperwork. He was sweating bullets as it lapsed his registration window. This year it was quicker. Only took a couple of visits and a few hours (eye-roll).

      Another person I know is able to get all done in a single appointment, but it’s a several hour long process every year as for whatever reason they do a full interview with him and have him fill out a ton of paperwork every single time.

      It seems like the smaller the city is the more difficult it is to get registration complete. They seem to be understaffed and just generally not well organized as well as often overly intrusive in handling the whole process.

    • Tired Of Hiding

      Indeed you have just been fortunate. The vast majority will not share your feelings and for good reason.

      First having experienced new restrictions aka punishments added each year you are still indirectly being tormented whether you like to see it that way or not. Just because they don’t knock on your door every few months do not think that they are your friends. They would giggle like school girls to bust you for any reason they could!

      You seem to have given up. You see to passively accept this as if being watched and on a list is “normal”! It most certainly is NOT normal.

      I will never share your view of law enforcement as being “professional” as that is a front and behind it are hiding very vindictive sociopaths with savior complexes waiting for the opportunity to show just how superior they are.
      BEWARE

    • newby

      I too reside in Sacramento…last time i did my annual it was all civilians and no cops doing the deed..all i did was fill out the p/w and they did not ask any questions or demand to see anything….

  8. Eric Knight

    I’m a bit disheartened, frankly, at the level of constitutional capitulation going on in this thread.

    First, I absolutely understand the dilemma registered citizens face when approached with extra-constitutional law enforcement bullies: Appease to their demands, or risk arrest or, at the very least, future negative scrutiny for any little infraction that can trigger a felony arrest.

    But understand that with every act of appeasement, justification is given for law enforcement to be emboldened to become more and more oppressive. This year, it’s asking about your extra vehicle. Next year, it’s about coming inside “to do the paperwork verification.” The year after that, “let’s check your computer or your phone.”

    This is how rights are lost to the point where they will be impossible to return.

    This is not a criticism of those undergoing compliance checks, and perhaps, this is where ACSOL may direct more direction to overall compliance policies our registered citizens should take, and how to deal with the inevitable fallout. It’s not an easy issue, but it must be noted that no matter our feelings, the state WILL get worse in its activities until they are effectively rebuffed.

    • AlexO

      Unless you’re on supervision or the city/county added it’s own laws on compliance checks, they cannot enter your home without your permission or warrant. They can ask you to do so, but you’re fully within your rights to say no and there’s nothing they can do about it. People need to understand their rights and not be afraid to exercise them.

    • HOOKSCAR

      As it has been talked about, and I am not alone in the feeling, now is the time to climb another rung on this ladder of war against what is called the registry . Residency restrictions are petty much addressed . Now? Now is the time we need to hit on another front. COMPLIANCE CHECKS.
      Anyone in San Diego County has a yearly compliance check. This is not dictated in any law and is plain harassment as no other offender from another class of crime is subject to this unless they are on probation or parole.
      This should be easy to for a class action suit.
      My question is why hasn’t this been addressed yet?

      • michael

        im in SD County (el cajon sheriff area) unincorporated el cajon… they SDSO came out once a WEEK after i got out on parole, havent been here since… not tah I know of, im off parole now and Ive got a LOCKED GATE (6′) and CCTV Camera’s littered all over the place recording 24/7… NOT COMING here on property or ever gunna see me unless they SIT FOR DAYS and WAIT, and hey im regged to the right address and have been since the day I got out… so good luck sdcounty. !

      • Timmr

        They’re waiting to see if someone snaps from the constant poking.

      • Lake County

        “My question is why hasn’t this been addressed yet?” This has been answered many times here. Hookscar you are not new here so I won’t repeat the full answer. But the quick answer for the new people here is that they are not arresting anyone for not responding to compliance checks.

        • Timmr

          No, that is incorrect: Maurice Allen vs. Long Beach.
          article/zz/20110502/NEWS/110509106

          • Nondescript

            Ahh, so in a knee jerk response to this civil right violation law suit brought by this registrant in Long Beach ( who won and was rewarded a lot of money) , they tried to pass legislation to codify home compliance checks into law.

            Bill 756 did eventually pass but this part was struck from it prior to its passage:

            (d) The person shall present proof of residence upon request by a law enforcement agency investigating compliance with the requirements of this Act.

            I guess they realized that it would be a gross violation of ones 5th Amendment right against self incrimination. Everyone has the right to refuse to disclose information that could be used against them in a criminal prosecution.( It is interesting to note that they admitted that a compliance check is in fact an investigation.)

            So, if they don’t think you live where you say you live, I say let them go before a judge ( under oath) ,recite sufficient factual information to establish probable cause that you don’t live where you say you do, then let them serve that warrant on you at the very residence they don’t think you live at.

            The cop would be reprimanded, the judge would look like a fool, and a lawsuit would ensue.

            • Timmr

              Our system is not very good at preventing abuses by law enforcement. It sadly takes someone getting arrested and challenging that in court, before anything is done.
              By the way the San Diego office (SAFE), that does the compliance checks in the county, on its web site calls them investigations.

            • Son of Liberty Child of Freedom

              @ Timmr and Nondescript thank you both for once again Illuminating this forum with the full spectrum of True Knowledge & Correct Analysis.

              If I may interject into Nondescript’s narrative account of the local KeyStone Cop going before the Bench of a Superior Court Judge in the Quest for the issuance of a Warrant for the criminal act of Perjury committed by a Registered Citizen in the act of falsely stating during their Annual Registration the facts to all of their correct Domiciles where they may Abide.

              I would venture to say that:

              At some point during the court proceeding The Seat of the Court would inevitably ask the KeyStone Cop & Fumbling Detective:

              “¿Where does the RSO truly abide and live?”

              At that point, Truth would Reign Supreme in that the True Intent of Compliance Checks only Serve the Kingdom of Extra-Judicial Punishment.

              Revealing once again in history what a Hebrew fellow spoke of during the 2nd. Temple Period in the land of Judea who the Roman Empire renamed that land Phalistena that is Palestine to this day in “Order” to Blur & Obscure Truth spoken by this Hebrew Fellow Yeshua aka Jesus and this is what he stated in regard to his Father in Heaven Most High:

              Matthew chapter 6 verse 24
              ¶ No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_6:24

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Unjust_Steward

              The parable shares the theme of other passages where “Jesus counsels the disposition of possessions (and hospitality) on behalf of the poor with the understanding that, while mammon will vanish, eternal treasure will have thus been secured.” When death comes, “the power we have to do good with our money ceases, so we should do good with it now” so that the friends we have made on earth will be waiting for us in heaven. This interpretation was also espoused by early church writers, such as Asterius of Amasia:

              “When, therefore, any one anticipating his end and his removal to the next world, lightens the burden of his sins by good deeds, either by canceling the obligations of debtors, or by supplying the poor with abundance, by giving what belongs to the Lord, he gains many friends, who will attest his goodness before the Judge, and secure him by their testimony a place of happiness.”

              —–~~~~<<<>>>~~~~—–

              What should be understood for our time in history today is the Truth that the persons in position of Power & Authority have Made & Formed of their fellow Countryman & Citizens a Daily Bread in the Evil (want invoking ways) Act of Converting Free men, women, & children into Perpetual Bondman & Slaves which these persons in Evil Power directly benefit and receive actual Money that is Mammon into their hands as Virtual Bread that they Feed Upon like Cannibals who eat Man Flesh this Truth needs be revealed to those who Profess to Be True Followers of Christ who Instructed his True Disciples to Forgive from a Clean Heart the Debts or Sin of their fellow countrymen if they are Faithful to The Father in Heaven and desire to have their Wicked Sins & Debts Forgiven.

              This Knowledge & Understanding the Hebrew Fellow Yeshua aka Jesus acquired directly from the Torah aka The Old Testament which if Truth be told is the founding document used to Establish by the founding fathers of The United States Constitution without which The Nation we live in today would seize to exist and Chaos would Reign Supreme.

              —-~~~~<<<>>>~~~~—-
              I suggest when communicating in person, in letters, & phone calls to all Politicians Holding office & Persons in Positions of Authority these Truths lest all their dreams & desires Fade Away & Calamity be their Perpetual Companion.

              I speak a True Song

              As Yehovah Lives, so should we

      • someone who cares

        Hookscar ~ Those are my thoughts exactly, too. No other group is treated this way after they are off parole/ probation. It sounds like pure harassment and mostly discrimination. I have a number for a civil rights attorney in LA, and I have been meaning to contact him to get his opinion on a possible class action suit. I understand that most lawyers will still say that LE can do this, but you are not required to let them in. Well, that is not really the issue here. It is the fact that they single out someone’s home and not only knock and leave, but bang and yell LE when there is no reasonable suspicion. That HAS to be against the law unless they act this way in the entire neighborhood. Otherwise, it is discrimination and a case for equal rights protection. I am tired of people saying that you don’t have to open the door, let them in or answer questions. We all know that, BUT, we don’t want to be embarrassed and bothered in the first place. Let’s get the ball rolling again. I know Timmer is in, too.

        • Timmr

          I am hopeful something will happen with this. Isn’t that the case with all that registrants have to go through. There is a general indifference or disbelief in the harm a certain action or a conglomeration of official actions has upon us. To most, it is just a bad day at Price Club, that’s all? What’s all the fuss about? Then someone comes up from seemingly nowhere, who sees things through the eyes of the registrant and who is in a position to fight for the registrant, because they are able to see the whole story unbiased through another’s eyes. The harm done by these compliance checks are not easy to validate, but I say they are as real as memories of the handcuffs clicked on the wrists. The registrant wasn’t crazy or just whining. He/she had a point. It is threat it poses and the disruption of peace it brings.
          It takes some finding, going to many lawyers, maybe writing a book, doing an interview, finding someone to listen. I don’t know if I have that drive I used to have once, the registry has burned up my passions and there are ashes to sweep away. But I am in nonetheless, for moral support, to throw my chips into a lawsuit, something.

        • Timmr

          The problem is if they are bull headed enough to arrest you for failing to provide some information, even if they are not in the right, that will be on your record for review when you come to petition to be removed from the registry. It might even be in the record and considered if you are not arrested, but the compliance report says you obstructed an officer’s investigation. They got you coming and going, that is why this practice needs to stop, they need a warrant not unsubstantiated suspicion (implied warrant).

      • wonderin

        Here is how I remember modern day compliance checks coming about:
        About the turn of the last century, (2000) certain citizen groups made a terrible fuss about law enforcement not doing their job keeping track of sex offenders.
        They cited huge numbers of out of compliance and dangerous sexual deviates roaming the state totally unencumbered by responsible law enforcement.
        In my area, at least, their concerns were somewhat legitimate as apparently enforcing 290 laws were a low priority and too expensive to locate and track low-risk absconders.
        I remember the local police did notify the community when a dangerous sex offender moved into a neighborhood but mostly things were very low key for the average person required to register.
        Apparently, these groups of concerned citizens found the money and the power to force the police to do things their way and it appears the rest is history.
        It seems to me that enforcing 290 requirements is justified but secondary verification has overstepped the intent of the state law and should bring about a lawsuit on behalf of all registrants in California.
        Personally, I don’t find fault with law enforcement because I don’t know who, what, or how they are pressured to comply with the demands brought forward by the these empowered citizen’s groups. However, perhaps it’s time to render them powerless with the help of the court?

    • steve

      Let’s see being banned from your kid’s school and residency restrictions. Fight both… check. Cops asking for an extra piece of paper. “How many copies do you want sir”. It’s called pick your battles.

      • Joe

        Exactly what battles would this author be picking by getting an attorney and challenging a fairly obvious violation of the law and his rights? Is he involved in any other legal challenges? I may have missed it, but standing up for his rights and holding law enforcement to adhere to the very law he is 100% required to follow may have some negative consequences on a personal level, but I do not see how that would be detrimental to any other activities.

        Bottom line… this is a personal choice and depending on all kinds of factors, but if you are not willing to stand up for your own rights, don’t expect anyone else to.

        • C

          I think you mis-read his point, which is that he is better off not fighting the battle with the police officers themselves who have no control over what paperwork is acceptable on Price Club Day.
          Better to give them, the cops, what they want when they ask for it and take the battle to those who can actually bring the desired change.

    • Nondescript

      Is it capitulation or prudent strategy? Could be a bit of both. This post highlights a dilemma that registrants face but what makes it different I guess is that it requires instant action or non action on the enemies turf where recording devices are prohibited. It’s kind of like arguing with a jail guard while incarcerated about a civil rights violation. It would be interesting if every registrant took 5 or 6 supporters/ witnesses with them every time they had to do their annual and see if that would change the dynamic of how they treat you and what they try to get away with. There is strength in numbers. If that’s not possible, I’d say get in and get out of their 📐 temple as quickly as possible not because you don’t wish to anger the beast, but to reduce your own energy drain and get on with your life.

      Compliance checks. That is a whole other matter. Now they are on YOUR turf .

    • David Kennerly, Thought Criminal

      There is a common need for many who have been through the criminal justice ringer to bend over backward to prove how conciliatory and non-threatening they have become, although many were never anything but conciliatory and non-threatening to begin with. I understand and can appreciate this impulse.

      But we’re at a point now where we need to assert our rights as citizens or to lose them utterly. This is the ONLY way that we can claw ourselves back up from the civil liberties tar pit we now inhabit.

      By giving government agents more than what they can lawfully demand we are digging our holes deeper.

      As they say, “grow a pair.”

  9. USA

    This is a rather disturbing article! Tell them you and your wife are separated and you live in the backyard? It’s disturbing to see that someone comes in to register and they deny this? The officer clearly has an issue. I would never show these thugs my bank statements etc. I would imagine most people have ID’s. Very thoughtless on their part. Thugs!

    • newby

      remember…cops are nothing but tools of the politicians..thats why this site and its authors need all of our support in order to make a difference..

  10. AJ

    I’d ask to speak with a supervisor, desk sergeant, or someone with some sort of authority. Another idea would be to have someone else go in and say they are trying to help out someone who is supposed to register, and would appreciate it if the LEOs could give him/her any sort of paper or photocopy of what’s needed to accomplish registration. I would also try contacting whatever State agency manages the registry and documents and see what they say. If no luck, I would use the good old thirty-minute consult with a decent attorney (or two or three) to see what your options are. If willing and able, it may even behoove you to have an attorney tag along. Their presence tends to make LEOs sit up straight and do their jobs. Lastly, if it’s legal in your state, I would “accidentally” have my voice recorder running on my phone while I talk to them. (In some states only one party needs to be aware of recording.) If nothing else, it would give you a wonderful way to recall things for notes. 😉 I can attest that phones record pretty well, even when not directly pointed at the speaker. And nobody thinks twice as you hang onto your phone and fidget with it, as long as the screen is dark.

    –AJ

  11. The Unforgiven

    For someone who also lives within the same county and vicinity, I think it’s a gawd damn joke how much they stress what they must have on file even though they will visit the house twice a year anyways. You’re branded a liar from the get-go. I had the same issue and had my name added to a utility bill, which was a big mess as bills are paid online and the billing address was a PO Box. I concur about following along as far as the annual goes but I have to honestly say, it’s difficult to bite my tongue when they get snippy, then follow it up with the ‘compliance checks’. I’m aware I don’t have to comply there but when they show up, sarcastic me says, “Why do I have to an annual when they will be out here anyways?”
    Good luck!

    • Lake County

      I use a P.O. Box for everything including my drivers license, especially since my town has no mail delivery. However, all water and PG&E bills have your service address on it somewhere, so I use one of those as proof. Since you live in a large county, I would stop by the Public Defenders office and explain your situation and see if they will help you. I expect someone there would help as the law on what is required of you is very clear. However, I don’t understand why it would be so hard for you to place a utility bill in your name. Even if you have bad credit with PG&E, you can still get the bill in your name as long as your wife is listed as the guarantor of payment since she currently has credit with them. And if you own the home, most water companies require the homeowner to have the water bill in the homeowners name. If this is the worst issue you have with registration, you are very lucky.

      • Harry

        When my mother was still alive and she lived a place by herself. I had to help her with her bills, the power company put both her and my name on the bill, which, showed the service address of where she lived, however, it was mailed to my PO box.

    • The Unforgiven

      To clear up some confusion I may have caused: Upon moving here, the rental agreement was sufficient for the annual and I even used it once or twice after the agreement expired. My CDL has a PO Box on it and all mail went to the PO Box as there has been some shady activity (my mailbox is across the street). All bills are paid online, meaning no paper bill showing up. So, anything with my name on it was attached to the PO Box. Finally, I could no longer rely on the rental agreement, as they caught on that it was not current (been in a month to month since). I was told they needed something from the renter and rentee or a utility bill, or something attached to the house. I certainly didn’t want to involve the renter if I didn’t have to. When I say it was a ‘big mess’, I meant the headache of it all. It gets old, that’s all.

  12. mike t

    Strange to me they require a utility bill instead of a required state ID or DL. A friend of mine had a “squatter” move in next door and the new tenants turned the utilities on to the home and they lived there rent free for quite a while. As I recall it was a bitch to get them evicted too. ‘Squatters Rights’ and all. But my point is, you don’t even have to be living in a home to have utilities turned on in it, so the bill doesn’t necessarily mean you live there.
    I guess a “most rscent” utility bill is what they’d be looking for. I know that you don’t need to have your present address on your DL or state ID either, BUT you are at least required by law to have one.

    Funny story—-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8C-ro0klnI

    • Lake County

      In CA. a state ID or CDL address is not verified, they believe whatever address you tell them. You could use anyone’s address on these official ID’s. Utility bill’s also don’t require proof of residency, however if you don’t pay that bill, that utility will get shut off and current bill’s likely won’t be arriving. Most people aren’t willing to put a utility bill in their name if they do not live there.

      • bluewall

        Long Beach PD asks for a vehicle renewal letter which has been 15 years now… and so far no problems

  13. FRegistryTerrorists

    People should NEVER do something just because LE wants it to be done. It is not like they are going to be more fair to a person who caters to them or give that person a break. A person is always in danger from LE, regardless of how submissive you are to them. You are likely in more danger once they know that they can take advantage of you.

    These criminal regimes made these laws so make them follow them. There is nothing worse than LE that does not follow or even know the law. Nothing worse. It is kind of the main point of their job and a bare minimum to not be incompetent. Especially for one who works at a desk and does the same work day after day.

    If there is some dispute with LE, write them and their attorneys a courteous, brief letter containing nothing but facts and explain your position. Ask them what their position is. LE will lie to your face all day long but it is completely different to have it in writing. And the attorneys will make them stay accountable because they know they could easily wind up in court defending it. If they do not respond or you do not like their response, hire an attorney to perhaps send them a counter letter. If they still won’t do the right thing, sue them. That is how these criminal regimes and their LE criminals must be treated every single time.

    As long as the Registries exist, it is a duty of all good Americans to make the job of LE as difficult as possible. Do only what is forced and not one single step further. Don’t help them.

  14. Ivan Diaz

    wait wait wait. hold on a minute you just want to bend over and let them… you know where i’m going with that. You still have the most rights as any American about not being singled out due to prejudice. But here’s my alternative solution meets everyone halfway for the people who want to stand up and the people that just want to bend over. Scan the utility bill under the name of your wife. go to https://www.pdfescape.com/windows/ and upload the pdf file you just scanned, white out the name of your wife and enter your name. save and download the document then print it out and bam you got a utility bill under your name. I don’t know how many people are registered in your state.. wait i do because i live in it more than 100,000 people, so you think they are going to verify that its legit. Nope just like many other things they ask for they just want to see something and they are happy they don’t got the time or resources to answer every call they get or verify every piece of document, but they are good making you believe they have and use every trick in the book. Now for everyone thats going to cry thats illegal providing fake documents ugh i’m not going to say what i want but thanks for posting useless comments and celebrating victories when your safe at home. Utility bills are government issued so don’t believe the government is going to check private business records to see if its legit.

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