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VA: Child porn producers should be “shot,” federal judge suggests in a Norfolk courtroom

From the bench this week, a federal judge unafraid of offering blunt opinions suggested anyone who produces child pornography should be shot.

An exact quote of what Senior U.S. District Judge Robert Doumar said Tuesday during a case involving the collection of child porn was not available, but in an interview Thursday, the octogenarian reiterated the comment multiple times.

“I said it. I said that they should be shot,” said Doumar, whom President Ronald Reagan nominated to the bench more than 35 years ago. Full Article

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  1. Harry

    Than some DOJ and FBI agents need to be pin up on that shooting gallery.

  2. AlexO

    A judge who cannot remain impartial should not be on the stand.

    • jo

      I don’t see a problem with his comment. He didn’t say anyone accused or any not found guilty, he said anyone who does produce it. How is that not being unbiased? If found guilty of producing images of children in sexual situations for the gratification of others is disgusting and very heinous. I am sorry if that offends you but it is a very bad crime and he is entitled to his opinion of what should happen to someone found guilty of that crime. It SHOULD be treated harshly. Let us not forget that if you are on the registry and you actually did commit the crime that got you there, it was pretty bad. No need to sugarcoat it, we screwed up and it’s not a crime that sits well with the world.

      • Registry Rage

        Your last 2 sentences doesn’t sit well with me. You’re doing this site a disservice by justifying the existence of the registry.

        Perhaps you can find a way to shoulder your own personal guilt and own it without bad-mouthing the collective.

        I’m not guilty by association of what YOU did.

      • AlexO

        Well the sentence can already be life which is what he gave this person plus forty years. He’s advocating for the death penalty. And this isn’t the only thing the judge has stated that’s questionable to him being impartial.

        From the article:

        “In 2015, American Civil Liberties Union attorneys representing a transgender boy who sued the Gloucester County School Board over his right to use his school’s male restroom asked the appellate court to reassign their case to another judge. The attorneys complained that Doumar repeatedly said in court that their client had a “mental disorder” and that they were more interested in gaining media attention than representing the boy’s best interests.

        “I’m having a huge problem with everybody knowing that he desires to be a male and, in fact, his attorney advertising that to the world,” said Doumar, who eventually ruled against the boy.”

        The article talks about other instances where his actions and comments have come under scrutiny of other judges.

        • J

          I agree with your last 2 sentences and all the sentences before it.

      • Joe

        As a private citizen this judge can say whatever he wants. As a (federal) officer of the court he is to uphold the US Constitution, first and foremost. The death penalty for offenses without loss of life was held to be unconstitutional in Kennedy vs. Louisiana. As such his statement is completely unacceptable, flies in the very face of the laws he is sworn to uphold and must be met with (severe) consequence.

        Regarding the rest of your statement… any criminal screwed up. All 65 million Americans. Why single out any of them? And no, many crimes that got people on the registry were NOT “pretty bad”. Like this guy.
        http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/news/a6294/teen-sex-offender/

        Or this producer (!) of child pornography.
        https://ethicsalarms.com/2011/03/01/outrageous-prosecution-the-eric-rinehart-story/

        Lastly, let us not forget that murder is “pretty bad” and it does not sit well with the world, yet they are on no registry.

        If you did something that you feel deserves cruel and unusual, or life-long punishment, that is your prerogative. Fortunately this organization feels differently.

        • Timmr

          I agree. Maybe this offender deserves to be shot. There are several convicts who are given lethal injections that are innocent. Can this judge bring them back? Judges power is limited, by tge Constitution, by reality, by his duty to serve. When acting as representative to the government, he has no right to free speech. The court is not a platform to express policy, although it often happens a judge will inteject his personal feeings. That is understandable but has to be within limits, because the judge represent tge government. The government doesn’t have a right to free speech, just a duty to express the will of the people. That is sometimes a tricky thing to do, expecially when they have to enforce ridiculous mandatory minimums.

        • Timmr

          Sorry about the spelling mistakes. Guess I ran out of edit time.

      • NPS

        I agree that it should be punished harshly. If heinous acts such as this had a more stringent penalty enforced, then there would be no need for a registry.

        Where I disagree with your comment is where you state “Let us not forget that if you are on the registry and you actually did commit the crime that got you there, it was pretty bad.” If anyone is on the registry and is now a free person having already paid their debts to society, then the crime was NOT pretty bad especially when there are many, MANY mundane offenses that can get anyone on the registry.

        • J

          You took the sentence out of text. If you break the law you break the law.

        • NPS

          I took it exactly within context. It doesn’t take a “pretty bad” crime to be listed.

          My “crime”? It isn’t a crime in 40 other states and all of the civilized (heck even uncivilized) world. So no. It isn’t “pretty bad”. It’s complete and total nonsense.

      • mike

        Because he has no right to say who lives or who dies

  3. Jack

    Ronald, Wilson, Reagan. Every one of those names has six letters. Let that sink in.

    • American Detained in America

      If you’re saying he was the anti-christ, then he failed miserably as such…just saying

  4. Michael

    The populous should force the south to secede.

    ….

    • AJ

      “The populous should force the south (sic) to secede.”
      I suppose that would at least protect the South from people like President Reagan, of IL and CA, who appointed said judge.

      To paraphrase a recent post: “Why do carpetbaggers deride the South? I know you’ll attempt to come up with some lame excuse for it, but the fact of the matter is, it is a slight used to disparage fellow Americans. . . .I find people that use it repugnant.”

      Good thing there’s no homogenization of our country: “Apart from its climate, the living experience in the South increasingly resembles the rest of the nation. The arrival of millions of Northerners (especially in major metropolitan areas and coastal areas) and millions of Hispanics has meant the introduction of cultural values and social norms not rooted in Southern traditions. Observers conclude that collective identity and Southern distinctiveness are thus declining, particularly when defined against ‘an earlier South that was somehow more authentic, real, more unified and distinct’. The process has worked both ways, however, with aspects of Southern culture spreading throughout a greater portion of the rest of the United States in a process termed ‘Southernization.'” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States)

      It’s also a good thing nobody is moving to the South.
      (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population_growth_rate) (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2017/05/25/census-bureau-shows-fastest-growing-cities-u-s/344945001/)

      Boy, one would maybe think someone so anti-Southern to be a bigot, given the high percentage of blacks in that part of the nation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population). Personally, I wouldn’t assume that, but I can easily see how it may be viewed as vulgar and that type of person viewed as repugnant.

      –AJ, who may or may not be a Southerner, a Northerner, black, Hispanic, and/or a carpetbagger.

  5. ab

    1. The number of actual child pornography producers caught is significantly lower than those caught for possession, receipt, or distribution. Additionally children (defined as anyone under eighteen according to federal law) can be producers of cp as well. So I want to congratulate this judge on lumping all producers together and thus making it seem okay to shoot children in cases where they are the producer.

    2. Shooting someone does not often prevent another person in the future from doing the same thing that got the first person shot. Rather than shoot cp producers how about getting them to open up regarding all the what, where, when, how, and whys of the material they created so next time a would be producer can be diverted prior to doing anything of concern.

  6. mike r

    I talked to the law librarians and actually went to the federal court clerk with a copy of the cover sheet and form to proceed forma pauperis and was told all is in acceptable form to file my motion. I am considering going to San Jose legal help center since we don’t have one here for review of my motion and to get any kind of feedback to it. I want to include the Bill of Attainder so I am calling on help from anyone who can make a solid argument with case law and anything else to strengthen their argument. Pull together and help me help us..

  7. AJ

    It’s not this judge’s first time voicing such an idea: http://articles.dailypress.com/1991-08-17/news/9108170040_1_aids-virus-aids-victims-saliva

    –AJ

  8. mike r

    I know this might offend some people on here and they’ll call me hypocrite or something but I agree with the judge that if you rape little kids or adults for that matter you (something I did not do and would fight to the death to prevent such an act if I witnessed such an act in progress)should be shot or prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I am not talking about how the law or people define rape I am talking about someone who actually uses any force upon another person especially pre pubescent kids. I don’t agree that he expressed his opinion from the bench though. The bench is supposed to be for law and facts not opinions.

    • AlexO

      The current law allows a life sentence. The article states the person the judge sentences got life plus 40 years. It’s not like the law is light in this matter.

    • Les Mis Life

      I agree with you. Like when an Islamic terrorist kills civilians and Muslims don’t condemn it: we do a disservice to our own cause for coming out after those who boil over in their disgust–this is where we should find common ground, and frankly, I think the judge is right. I condemn the actions of this hideous man, not the words of the judge. I resent this guy double because that is the face of ‘sex offender’ that creates laws that we all suffer under. These are where we should be drawing distinctions between who we generally are verses what we are generally perceived as

  9. MS

    Whenever the average citizen hears the words “child porn” the majority will assume that the pic or video depicts a young child being abused or exploited by an adult. If that’s what this guy was doing…I’m glad he got caught.

    The average citizen has no idea that CP doesn’t always involve a victim. Not all CP is of someone being abused, molested, violated, etc. A selfie of a teen in his/her underwear (doing anything that might be deemed provocative) is also considered CP. I read at least one article where a female was arrested for distributing CP and the pics were of her (self taken) in her underwear.

    It has become a witch hunt when it comes to CP. You know LE and DA’s are out of control when they are trying to ruin the lives of teenagers for sharing naked pics of each other. No matter the details there is always a victim in the eyes of LE and the DA’s office and somebody has to pay for their horrible crimes. Guess it’s good for business.

  10. Tired Of Hiding

    U.S. District Judge Robert Doumar should be removed from his position as unfit to serve. ANYONE in his position who encourages gun violence with deadly force, especially these days should not be in a position of authority.

    This is one of the main reasons that our justice “system” is seen as a joke worldwide. When you have an individual like this pathetic example who are holding the fate of others in their hands and express such hateful and violent statements how can anyone be foolish enough to think that these individuals will be fair and unbiased. They are not and can not!

    SexOffenderTruth.com

  11. David

    Will the enactment of his suggested punishment begin with the many teens who are “sexting” their way into child porn arrests? They’re often charged with child pornography, right?

  12. RP

    I understand the Judges visceral feelings on the subject but as a judge, he has a civic duty to dispense justice in accordance with the law, not advocate for even more punishment. He cannot be counted on to dispense justice fairly and in alignment with guidelines if he is punishing someone to get them closer to his personal idea of what he wants them to suffer.

  13. mike r

    come on tired who was it that was talking about the involuntary servitude issue I am filing this week and I want that argument in there.

  14. Chris F (For Mike R!)

    @Mike R

    I’ll quickly paste in some of what I’ve saved to get you started. You may want to continue this discussion in the June General Comments. I’ll see if I can find more on Monday but I’m pretty tied up till then.

    Bill of Attainder:

    I posted this link here on 9/26/16 and it has since been deleted from the web!

    https://sexoffenderissues.blogspot.com/2008/10/bill-of-attainder-argument.html

    Luckily, the WAYBACKMACHINE has it (thank God!). You may want to copy everything out of it in case it goes away forever:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140709215214/https://sexoffenderissues.blogspot.com/2008/10/bill-of-attainder-argument.html

    Here is another really good one (maybe better!):

    http://pepperdinelawreview.com/are-bills-of-attainder-the-new-currency-challenging-the-constitutionality-of-sex-offender-regulations-that-inflict-punishment-without-the-safeguard-of-a-judicial-trial/

    Involuntary Servitude:

    Please scroll down for New Person’s comments on here:

    https://all4consolaws.org/2016/10/la-too-poor-for-freedom-sex-offender-registry-and-the-fourteenth-amendment/

    and here:

    https://all4consolaws.org/2016/09/federal-judge-dismissed-challenge-to-iml/

    I would also recommend using the arguments that are used against Mandated Minimum Sentences, since Sex Offender Registration takes power away from judges in EXACTLY the same way, and worse.

    See this article here, and replace the words Mandatory Minimum with Sex Offender Registration and you’ll be amazed how perfectly the arguments work for us:

    https://www.bu.edu/pilj/files/2015/09/19-2RileyNote.pdf

    It is called “TRIAL BY LEGISLATURE: WHY STATUTORY
    MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES VIOLATE THE
    SEPARATION OF POWERS DOCTRINE” by KIERAN RILEY.

    Also this about Mandatory Minimums:

    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32040.pdf

    • Son of Liberty Child of Liberty

      @ Chris F & Mike R

      I would hope you would further the “Disparate Impact Argument” that can buttrice the “Bill of Attainder Argument” which does Not require Proof of Malicious Intent by those who created and formed the evil legislation, It only requires Proof of the final Impact of burden upon The Citizen who has been Unjustly separated from their Rights & Titles.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_impact

      An important thing to note is that Disparate Impact is in and of itself a violation, a abomination to the Spirit of the US Constitution. This is because Disparate Impact becomes illegal once it is shown that the Wicked Self Serving Servants cannot justify the practice causing the Adverse Impact.

      http://adverseimpact.org/AboutAdverseImpact.htm

      I speak a True song

      As Yehovah Lives, so should we

  15. mike r

    excellent Chris. you are one of the only true warriors ive heard from. I will definitely keep you posted on what’s happening.

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