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CA Action Alert: Support SB 421 – Call Assy Approp. Committee

The CA Assembly Appropriations Committee will be hearing the Tiered Registry billSenate Bill 421–on August 23.

For many reasons, ACSOL is not planning on attending this hearing and we do not recommend you attend either.

However, all registrants and supporters should call ALL the Assembly Appropriations Committee members at their Sacramento office. Here is a link to the members and their phone numbers:

http://apro.assembly.ca.gov/membersstaff

The deadline for calling is August 22, the day before the hearing.

Tell the staff person that you know the Assembly Member will hear the bill in the Appropriations Committee so you want to comment on Senate Bill 421. Say that you support it, and that you would like the Assembly Member to support it. Even if he or she is not your Assembly  Member, mentioning the committee hearing lets them know that this is a situation where your comments have value to them as a committee member.

Please join us and invest a few minutes in working toward our freedom!

 

 

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  1. LS

    Thank you Janice…. For EVERYTHING. I will call.

    • EddieV.

      Today SB 241 WAS PLACED IN SUSPENCE FILE. Bummer I wonder what happened it had so much momentum, I. Hoping senetor wiener was not enfluanced to hault the bill.

      • Anna

        Hey, Eddie… I saw that suspended thing too. Now what? Please don’t tell me it’s back on the shelf like before???

        • kind of living

          the old bill would have really have helped many more of us , what it morphed in to belongs on the shelf for some of us , that’s just what I “think” I am sorry for those that the new one would have helped , but glade for those it would or could have harmed , fact is it will likely have little impact on me because by the time they get done dragging their feet on doing whats right I will have all ready past and my family free of this , in the mean time we will just keep plugging along looking for at the very least a community of RC’s in CA and try to be part of this movement as well as donate what we can afford , well those that know me know what I think on this matter , if its true that its going to be years before we can bring down this registry it would make a help many people to become further involved in a hands on manner of your choice it would help in many ways , like helping many of us building self worth back , as well as helping each other on understand all sides I issues , many of us would much rather say pay rent to an RC who we are paying now , and skills that could be of help to some , but willing to learn as well , we are no BS kind of people , just as many RC’s , there are ghost towns all over CA ,as well large RV/ trailer parks with loads of land to expand , I seen one listed with a laundry/ nice trees / small office / nice place / even had about a half dozen trailers , so I called and ask why they were selling , iwas talking to the son that was in collage , and he said that its was hard for his parents to maintain and keep renters that were “long term” witch he said was the bread and butter , that was back in May Sold for 75k , asking price was 140k , RC’s would have packed that place it was out by the air force base on 58HY , a lot of things are open out that way , also down by Niland CA , towns empty all over CA talking high prices , but you know how it works with cash in hand and some dickering , down by the trailer park I was talking about was a store with stupid high prices and a post office in Edwards right across from the base , that trailer park had a building that looked kind like an old store , all a person would need is an old box truck and the right license and one could go into Bakersfield and shop at the discount where house and under cut the way over priced store , and you would pull all of the dirt bike biz as well as campers , and do like that cannabis company that bought that town in CA and sell lotto tickets lol , I know its a hard sell but just ideas , one place out there had trailer spots , a row of rooms a few trailers and a house or maybe 2 , it was up for sale , I know because we go out that way to camp when ever we get a chance , its a nice place to center your self , as well as ride dirt bikes if tou can afford one , or road bike for that matter being right on 58Hy , just ideas ! anything that pulls us together able to help each other become a much larger part of the picture , from being the bench , to the batters box , much better than paying to a slum lord and no friends being victims to our surroundings day in and day out , it seems that our opposition takes advantage of our discomfort , and stand unchecked as they protest knowing we will not show because of our inability to gather for we are all spread out , I all ready said to much because I am no sales person , or banker , but I see what part of the problem is but that is for me to “think” about , because its not my place to speak for anyone , do to the fact that I am but 1 person with out the aid of others that feel as I , so I will just read and try to stay currant and see how things flow ,,, later

          • Timmr

            Those are some good ideas. Was thinking at one time of buying a rental. Prices here in San Diego are just too high. Rent is high, too, but not many RC’s have that kind of money. I have a lot of handyman skills I could use to maintain a place. Maybe if we had some kind of funding, we could open these across the state. Don’t know. Better to imagine than to dwell on gloomy registry thoughts.
            Maybe we need an economic support group. Many of us end up being self employed, so why not share ideas. I am not interested in these LinkedIn groups that discuss business and such, but if there was one for RC’s I would be interested.

            • kind of living

              @Timmr <<<< ,, first I want to say thanks for not poo pooing everything I say on this matter , it seems to me that our "thinking" is at least on the same page , we all have some kind of skill that would be very helpful , my self I have a green thumb and have grown many gardens in life , also have lived on communes and have been part of many facets of labor , I was raised on a farm and know a lot about raising live stock , the secret I "think" to making what seems on the outside as a simple commune or what you wish to call it , and turn it into profit is "Good Management" and a willingness of the people to do there job / there needs to be people in charge of transportation so we are able to get to rally's in numbers / people to make fuel like Biomass fuels as well as biodiesel and bioplastic / and bio waste management / these things not just save money but help save our planet as well as generate "Cash" cash you grow / raise / save , , but the big thing to me is that by our being happy and creating outlets for "fun" we use to do plays and do big cook outs , we did dances etc , we strongly encouraged art , art can also be looked at as MONEY , one place I stayed used fishing boats as a way to create employment and generate fat cash needed to expand , all places I stayed years ago started a company or business , nothing stopping anyone from creating ! but when our opposition sees us being happy despite there hate and punishment they create and roll in the stink of their owe creation , we have already won ! making them look as compete dolts , we have Janice to look over us to insure our rights are observed only adds to the flame of burning this registry to the ground , what a poke in the eye of our oppressive opposition , , yup I might be a dreamer , but it was dreams that made all people fight for freedom to simply be happy or the right to at least strive for it

              • Timmr

                I am a gardener also. I guess I am viewing registry problem as I would view a wasteland that was once fertile but had all the life scraped off. Restoration is an involved process, there is a time do everything, and a time to wait. You have to start by enriching the soil. From there things start to flourish. We kind of need to start at the beginning, and make sure we can have income, shelter, food, leisure time, sense of purpose, having fun and keeping up the spirit. Then we are ready for the tougher stuff, protests, education and that also can be uplifting and fun. We create an environment in which we can flourish as humans and it is in defiance of the people that want to keep us down.

        • EddieV.

          Fource their hand with a law suit snice 2006 there has been, a tierd law ( Adam Walsh child protection act has been in place since 2006 yet California refuses to adhere to it and although it would have saved a lot of taxpayers money and got a lot of registers off the computer website also I’m still kind of baffled that those legislators don’t realize that you only register once a year and then there’s 364 days out of the year that we could do whatever we choose wherever we want to go however way we want to go how is that protecting the public so if they minimized how many people are on the registered by the tear law then they’d be able to better control and see what he’s people going with GPS monitoring as well as having them report frequently than they are right now

      • Janice Bellucci

        The Appropriations Committee placed SB 421 in its Suspense File. The bill must be released from that file before it can be considered on the floor of the Assembly. The deadline for floor consideration is Sept. 15. If the bill does not get released from the Suspense File in time for consideration on the Assembly floor, it is dead.

  2. Q

    I’ll be calling.

  3. Matt

    How do we know what we are supporting? There are multiple rumors of very specific amendments that could change the outcome of this bill for thousands of people. How are we supposed to support something blindly? I think the rug is going to get yanked out from under us here folks.

    • Stephen

      Matt do you now what the specific adaments might be?

      • Matt

        Stephen, No I do not. That’s the problem. I do know that there is a rumor that many, many, many people who think they’ll fall into Tier 1 may be in for a real nasty surprise if the bill gets passed. The only specific rumor I have seen/heard about is that any conviction for CP may wind up Tier 2, and on the website. Again, that’s a rumor. I don’t know if it’s true or not. That’s the danger of letting lawmakers twist and tweak these bills, behind closed doors, without any input from our side. We are told to support a bill that we don’t have full knowledge of. That is absolutely crazy.

        • Anonymous Nobody

          Excellent Matt. I wish I could get all big on that, but my point of view is that it is a loss regardless with how the bills has been written already. That is NOT what h=it has been represented as.

          And I have to ask why is no one going as leading this group, and why are we all advised not to go? You simply can’t just say that — you must explain. Why would we be advised NOT to go in person? Has a threat been made? If so, we need to know that and details. Is this some political scam on guys? How re we to know with that kind of a post?

          And for god’s sake, with what I’ve been saying all along about this bill NOT being what it is represented to be, but faced with a big cheerleading campaign, how are we to have confidence when we are denied such obviously necessary information, and at the most critical time,not any old time?

        • Lake County

          So you want me to loose my chance to get off the registry based on you hearing rumors? There will be another committee this will have to go through after it passes the Appropriations Committee. The Appropriations Committee is largely there to consider the fiscal impact of bills on the state budget. Since the state will be putting any additional costs of this bill onto the local counties, there shouldn’t be any reason for this committee to object to the Bill. It is quite normal for the Appropriations Committee to not take public comment since the public usually does not have enough knowledge about the budget to provide any useful input. In the long run, the state should be saving money since they will no longer need to update so many registrants annually. Any changes to the Tiered Registry Bill will likely be made if it passes the Appropriations Committee. It would be smarter to wait and see what changes are made (if any) during the next committee. Then we could object to what we disagree with. After that (if the bill hasn’t died) we will have a chance to state our opinions to our district representative through letters and phone calls when it goes in front of the full Assembly. Then we can still contact Governor Brown’s office and ask him to sign or don’t sign the final Tiered Registry Bill. There are things I don’t like about this bill, however I do believe it’s a good start. The CASOMB has wanted these changes for a long time. They know it’s for the best for everyone.

          I trust Janice on this one. She hasn’t failed us yet. And if they try to bump people to higher tiers than what is already proposed, I’m sure she will jump in and file an injunction and suit to halt this. The tide is turning for us all over this country. This will help a large number of us until we are finally able to get the public registry abolished. The public hates us and it will take years to change that. Fortunately most of the public does not get involved enough to take the effort to fight against a new tiered system.

          • Matthew

            Most of this is correct. The part that is incorrect is there is a next step by a committee. There is no other committee. It goes to the Assembly for the “final” vote and then is passed on to the governor.

            • New Person

              Because of ever changing laws, there’s a possibility that the tier passes and could be subjected to be amended due to cases like Snyder and Muniz – added penalty is considered punishment, thus violating ex post facto.

              Changing one’s tier to where it adds more penalty does just that.

              You want to retain your tier level in this proposed new tier process.

          • Matt

            Lake, I don’t want you to lose a chance at anything. I want this to make things better for everybody. Granted, that’s a pipe dream, but I think we are about to get the rug pulled out from under us. To be clear: I am not advocating going against this bill. But I think asking for support of something, that according to Janice and Chance, has a potential to undergo major, but undefined changes before passing, is too much for me to swallow. I don’t think the floor vote will produce a pass anyway. And even if it does pass, I suspect Brown may veto it. I understand the gravity of this. I want this to get better for everybody, and I hope that Janice is right. But the people who are voting on this bill are professional liars who have only one concern: Staying employed on the taxpayer dime. There is one thing for certain; if you’re running for election, and somebody says you’ve been “supportive” of SO’s, your career is over. That’s why I am suspect of the legislative process in general, the amendment process specifically. I usually place whatever trust I have left in the federal and supreme courts. They’re not much better, but they tend to be less dramatic because they’re not worried about reelections. I will not be calling, to support or go against, this bill until I have more information about just how badly they are going to try to hurt us.

        • David

          BTW, the Bill – as it reads right now – will not go into effect until 2021. (Thereby, allowing those who vote on it to term-out before it ever goes into effect! Love how those lawmakers cover their as*es!)

          • bill

            But Janice says it’ll be in effect 2018 if it gets approved and signed? What makes you think it’ll be 2021?

            • Matthew

              The bill was amended and it says 2021 now. That was just the first version of the bill.

        • Counting the days

          If I end up on a tier 2 for a misdomeanor CP charge, I have nothing left.

          • Matthew

            You will be in Tier 1 if that is your only charge. It says for felony 311 will be in Tier 2

        • Mark

          For those doomsday theorists, all I can say is if you participate in helping this cause make phone calls, write letters, do your homework and attend even a single event at the Capitol, you would feel encouraged and know that yes, there is always a possibility of a negative outcome, but you would also know what the advocates of this bill are saying to include the District Attorney’s Office and law enforcement. For those who live with hope and have faith that there is a better tomorrow for those on the registry, KEEP THE FAITH!

      • kind of living

        @Matt ,,, well said Bro , I know your speaking the truth , LEO’s never let go of power in less you use a crow bar to pry it out of their hands , its how they are trained , also many LEO’s really have no body’s interest at heart , just control and money , with very little over sight , so I don’t think there is anything wrong with your thinking on this matter ,

      • kind of living

        @ Stephen ,,, please feel free to point out how this tiered system is constitutional

    • Roger

      Matt, just as in the emergency room they focus on keeping the patient alive and ignore secondary issues, we need to keep focused on the most important problem: right now pretty much everyone is on the registry for life. We need to support changing that. We can’t be very picky on what our rescue boat looks like. And for the first time EVER we have law enforcement going in the same direction we want to go, even though it is for different reasons. We have little say in the details.

      Remember that no matter how many changes they make to the final bill, SOME people will be able to get off if we have a tiered registry like the other states. Once we have a tiered registry, we can try to get it improved.
      In one sense, the problem of too many amendments is self-correcting. If legislators make it too difficult for us to get off the registry, law enforcement will eventually push the legislators to loosen it up because too many people are still on the registry, which defeats their reason for supporting the the tiered registry (freeing up their time from doing registrant paperwork).

      We can’t try to improve a tiered registry that doesn’t exist. When enough people have been let off the registry and the public in the politicians see that has not caused a crime wave of sex offenses, it will change the attitude of the public and lessen their fears and make the politicians open to letting more people off the registry.

      BUT there is NO chance for us to get off until we get some kind of tiered registry. We have to start somewhere, even if we don’t like who is supporting the bill and some of the amendments that will inevitably be added. Think long term. Think incremental improvement.

      Step 1: we need a tiered registry of some kind, no matter how imperfect.

      Lets focus on that. We don’t know when this opportunity to get people off the registry will happen again.

      • Eric

        Roger—well said.

      • Matt

        Roger, I appreciate the fact that you took the time to explain your opinion to me. But I disagree. There is never, ever, ever going to be a time when law enforcement is on our side. I know that for a fact, and I speak from experience I would bet not many have. You’re just going to have to trust me on this one. So, if we assume my premise is true, (which it is) then we must ask why “law enforcement” would be supporting a tiered registry bill? There is a reason, and it isn’t because they are our friends. It isn’t about paperwork either. It’s about money. It’s always about money. They don’t give a care about SO’s, or even the alleged victims of crimes. They care about money. This is a rabbit hole, and I am absolutely not willing to support something that I can’t see the final language on. This reminds me of Nancy Pelosi saying, “We have to pass the bill before we know what’s in it.” Nonsense. You could be supporting a bill that has an amendment that says we will all be institutionalized forever…..As the bill was originally written, I would have been in Tier 1 and immediately able to apply for release from the registry. Now I have no idea where I would fall. But this isn’t about me. This is about 100,000+ people supporting something they currently know nothing about. And that, is flat-crazy.

      • kind of living

        think long term ? lol sorry Roger I am not laughing at you or being disrespectful , am just wondering when its ok to say Uncle !! ouch ! its already been a long time , and over do for blind judges to say ,,,Hay ! Look right here some of these guys that are level three have been clean over 30 years , oops ! oh and look this is unconstitutional ! why are we fighting over unconstitutional laws that should have never been in the first place ? why are people taking a back seat that were caught up in these laws long after out of court / Time / Parole was long since over? , why should we be fighting about stupid a tiered registry , a registry that’s clearly unconstitutional , OK I got A Grip Now , we should be fighting for to retire the registry , I am sure you understand , many of us don’t really like being looked at as secondary issues , or being told to look at things as from a long point of view , and of course law enforcement is moving in this direction , because it moves us further away form the constitution and Into the regulation scam , I don’t know Roger , like I said in another comment the problem is the umpires are playing this game , while most of us are stuck on the bench with little money and living this night mare since it began , the most I had to do before was registry with the LEO’s , you would be doing good to remember you not talking to kids here your selling pimple soap to ,

    • Eric

      Matt I don’t think so. The registry is a nightmare. There are over 110,000 people on it in CA alone. The lawsuits are stifling the courts, the public is realizing that MOST SO’s aren’t what they are portrayed to be, and out casting people makes them more at risk of offending, and homeless, unemployed people are more difficult to monitor. I think the mind set of society is changing. Everybody knows and SO now, and they know most a re good people that made a huge mistake. I think this is real.

      • Matt

        Eric, I admire your optimism….but I think you’re wrong. Read the comments under most media articles regarding SO’s. If they could have us all killed, they would. In a heartbeat. This is real alright. But it might be real, real bad. Worse than it is now. That’s my point. How are we expected to support something that we don’t have full knowledge of? That simply doesn’t make sense. The people who support this seem to have the idea that: “Any tiered registry is better than what we have now……” Maybe; maybe not. We don’t know that for sure. And to roll the dice on this is dangerous. To be clear, I supported this idea originally. But that was before I was told that nobody will be at the upcoming hearing, and that it’s a deliberate action. They will likely amend this until it becomes worse, not better, for the overwhelming majority of people who are on the registry. That’s what lawmakers do. They don’t make things better for anybody! Especially for people they hate with absolute passion. I think the best course is to let the registry die under its own weight; nationwide.

        • Thoughtasweak

          The Appropriations Committee doesn’t have the ability to have the public come to weigh in for their vote. The only Committee we could go to, was when it was in the Public Safety Committees, which we did attend for both houses. The only thing else we can do is to call and voice our opinion (Yea or Nea vote).

  4. Follow the $

    We call all members regardless of whether the member is from our district right? I often have encountered staff members who want to confirm I am in their district before acknowledging my call.

    • Roger

      Yes, as it says above “Even if he or she is not your Assembly Member, mentioning the committee hearing lets them know that this is a situation where your comments have value to them AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER.” (my caps for highlighting the value in telling them that). I can verify this because I got asked the same question and as soon as I mentioned it was a bill they would hear in committee, they said they understood.

      • Matt

        Right. Should we deliver the rope for them to hang us with too? How can you support a bill when you don’t know what the language in it says?

        • Roger

          It’s simple, Matt: I support this imperfect, changing bill because it must exist for us to get large numbers of people off the registry. If it dies, we continue our life sentence indefinitely.

          The core issue is that the details are secondary to the creation of the tiers.

          It’s like someone fussing about whether a newborn baby has all her fingers and toes when she is stillborn. The fingers don’t matter if the baby is dead.

          My long-term dream is to see the registry fade away, but to do that, we must start with some kind of tiered registry or everyone will continue their life sentence.

          By the way, I will in no way benefit by this bill. I will be tier 3.

          So why do I work so hard for this? In the short term, my motivation is to help all you tens of thousands of future level 1s and level 2s to have a path to freedom.

          In the long term, I’m hoping you all won’t forget us level 3’s and that you will continue to fight for the rights of registrants, especially for the ability of anyone who is no longer a threat to society to get off the registry.

          I appreciate all of you who are willing to support Janice’s strategy, even when we you don’t understand how all the details fit together.

          • Matt

            How do you feel about it now Roger? It was a bait and switch from the beginning. They will let 10,000 or so off who have convictions from 30 years ago off the hook. And then they will justify more money for persecuting the rest of us much more aggressively because somehow, we will be more dangerous tomorrow than we are today. Amazing. Was there ever any question; really? The only chance we have is at the Supreme Court level. And that is bleak at best. But to expect law makers in California to do the right thing is just absurd. 7/8 of us are now going to be worse off than we were before. That’s just awesome.

            • Thoughtasweak

              I can say, as a board member, and who’s loved one is on the registry who would be labeled as a tier 3 (even with the original bill), I have supported this bill as it starts a groundwork for us. It will help many individuals who will be able to be removed and we will continue to fight for the rest who aren’t eligible to be removed.

  5. Eric

    Here is a government website that will allow you to quickly locate your California state senator, assembly person, and your district.

    http://findyourrep.legislature.ca.gov/

    • Eric

      Sorry, this is for the State Assembly members, not for the Committee members.

  6. TG

    I think I agree with Matt. I have a misdemeanor conviction for CP from 2001. I have never been listed on the site. If I do get listed, I will lose my job and my house and probably my wife and kids. I’m going to call and ask them not to support it.

    • TG

      Sorry, guys. If CP does end up in tier 2, it would be another 2 years before I could apply to be removed, and by then the damage would be done

      • Lloyd

        TP, damage was done in 2001, by you. Be glad you only got a misdemeanor rap. Face the consequences, as the rest of us have done, and pray for an eventual reprieve. Your comment sounds terribly self serving and selfish.

        • TG

          I have faced the consequences. Just because they are different from yours doesn’t mean they are less awful. I can’t get the job I want and I live forever in fear of being outed. But you’re right that advocating against this would be self serving. That was written in a moment of frustration. I actually sent letters in support of SB 421 in early July.

    • Matt

      Just to clarify: I respect, appreciate and admire everything Janice and friends are doing for all of us. And truly, truly hope that this bill, or some other thing positive for us, happens. But to ask a group to support a bill that we don’t know the language of is counter-intuitive to me. I am amazed that any group -but especially this group- would trust any elected body to do the right thing. Can you imagine the campaign ads next go around? Do any of us really think these folks are going to allow a bill to pass that is in ANY WAY favorable to a single one of us? I was told a lot of things when I took my plea. All lies. I was told a lot of things when I was released from the penn. All lies. I was told a lot of things when my conviction and sentence were overturned three years later. All lies. I was told a lot of things when I began probation, completed probation and “treatment” successfully. All lies. I was told a lot of things, a lot of times. All lies. Why would I trust them now? I do trust Janice. But I don’t think it’s smart to support a bill, totally blind, when these clowns have free will to amend it at any time, for any reason. I can give analogies about sheep and cattle in slaughter houses, concentration camps, and on and on. I support about 85% of the last rendition of the bill I saw. But when we are being told that there’s a real probability that the bill will be amended behind the scenes, and those amendments could make people’s lives worse, rather than better, I cannot support it without more information.

      • Roger

        Matt, I understand your concerns. I wish the purpose of the tiered registry was to be nice to us and make our lives better. It is not. The three-tier system is an admission that legislators overreacted when they made lifelong registries. The reason for wanting them is mainly to not overload police and courts, This making it easier for them, not us. That is obvious. But another motivation they have is to give some kind of justice. Some sex offenses generate more sympathy than others, an extreme case being sympathy for a teenage girl who gets put on the registry for Sexting.

        You imply that we have any power to pick and choose to modify the amendments to this registry at this point. We don’t. You are implying that if we study the amendments carefully and protest strong enough that we can make the tiered registry friendly. It ain’t going to happen! The author of the bill is trying to get this passed, and that means making a lot of deals to overcome the massive amount of fear and hysteria that has built up over the last 70 years of the registry. That means he must placate law and order Democrats and the Republicans to get it passed.

        They will never pass a nice tiered registry. The only way to start getting people off the registry is by getting a tiered registry n whatever form, then incrementally ask for changes as the public’ fear lessens when no sex offender crime wave happens.

        Any other way is wishful, theoretical thinking that will never happen and condemn tens of thousands to the registry for life.

        Janice knows how the real world of politics works in detail. Most of us don’t.

        I hope you will join me in following her recommendations through the action alerts.

        • Matt

          Thank you for your comment. I’m not implying anything at all. I am saying, not implying, that is is absolutely insane to support a bill when you don’t know what the end result of that support will result in. That’s simply crazy. I am very clear on how the legislative process works. It’s corrupt on its best day. No exceptions; ever. So, given that, what are the odds that this turns into something good for any registrant? This is a wreck. And I will not support it without knowing what I am getting myself into. That said, you’re absolutely right. The train has left the station. It’s out of our hands. But I will not support the idea that we should blindly support a bill when we don’t know what the end result will be. Do you understand how much these people hate us?

          • Lake County

            No one ever knows what any Bills final details will be until the end when it is considered by the entire State Assembly and Senate. That is how politics works. The committees work out the details and often make changes along the way. If everyone voted “no” to every bill without the final details, then no law would ever pass. If you accept the general premise of a bill, you must at least support it until it gets to it’s final committee. Modifications must always be expected with any controversial proposed law as it goes through each committee. Lets see the final draft before opposing this Bill. Even with the support that this Bill has, it is still likely to die before it can get to the Governor’s desk.

            • Timmr

              Will not the revisions need to be resolved between the two houses? What is the process for this? It can’t be that one house has a line item veto on provisions approved by the other house.

              • Lake County

                Yes, I do think they must resolve the differences. But in the end, they can always vote no to any bill that is no longer what they originally supported.

                • Timmr

                  I remember that in their definitions. I was wondering if the public was shut out of those negotiations to resolve the differences.

        • Timmr

          No crime wave will happen. The vast majority of us are not criminals. I have debated long enough. It is simply a choice of supporting the judgement of one of the only people who has made a difference in our lives and is willing and able to make a strong stand in our name. Janice has taken responsibilty for support for this bill and I will back her in this, because of that courage. It is not an easy thing to do. I hate all registries, but division is our greatest enemy at this juncture.

    • AlexO

      Stop. You’re going to specifically call to not support it based on a rumor? Would you or Matt care to name your source? Because if it’s my uncle’s best friend’s barber, don’t try to derail this.

      Remember, there was a rumor before the last vote that tier three wouldn’t be able to petition down to tier two. That was wrong. And instead they actually reduced the time for juvenile convictions.

      This bill has to go through two more votes. If they do jack it, then try and do something then. But don’t try to u-turn right as wear nearing the end of the tunnel.

      • Matt

        The rumor I am talking about was discussed by Janice and Chance during a call-in phone session recently. A recording of that conversation is on this website.

    • C

      Job, maybe, but wife and kids? Please.

      If you’re a good husband and father, there is no way they’ll abandoned you. You’re employer might, but then your employer will abandon you for any number of reasons like a staff reduction if they get bought out or a recession hits.
      If you’re good at what you do, go into business for yourself and you’ll never have to worry about getting canned for any reason whether it’s because you’re on the public registry or the economy takes a dump.
      Whatever you do don’t panic. It might feel like the end of the world, but it won’t be. You’ll persevere through it and your family will remain at your side.

    • RFS

      Dear Assembly Appropriations Committee, though I realize this is best for the vast majority of people, RSO or otherwise, I ask that you vote against it because of my own cowardly, self-centered interests! VERY NICE!

  7. Worried

    I am very curious about something: Why do you not recommend we attend? Could an organizer answer that?

    • Roger

      We are not going because they will not allow public comments at the hearing. Our only input can be ahead of time with the phone calls.

  8. cory

    Is there a reason why we should not go to the committee hearing?

  9. cory

    For the folks that are not on the website, be very scared if SB 421 doesn’t pass. There is a bill waiting for next year that will make every person on the web. regardless of crime i.e Child porn…..

    • TG

      Which bill is that, Cory?

    • Matt

      Please share how you know this. Sounds like BS to me. What makes your statement true? What do you know that the rest of us don’t?

    • Lake County

      There will always be politicians that are victim’s rights advocates that would want that bill to pass, however most politicians and law enforcement don’t want more registrants becoming homeless. That bill would never make it out of committee. By watching all the previous committee hearings, it’s clear to me that enough of our politicians are aware of the unintended consequences of registration laws and would not support such a bill. They sling a lot of bills out there each year, but most will never stick.

  10. NotLikingCA

    “For many reasons, ACSOL is not planning on attending this hearing and we do not recommend you attend either.”

    The sort of sentence that needs to be expounded upon.

    • C

      Read through the diwcyssion and you’ll find the answer to your question at least once.
      The short of it is that they are not taking public input so there’s no sense in attending. Public opinion needs to be expressed by phone, a point also repeated throughout this thread.

  11. Janice bellucci

    Thank you, Roger, for your insightful comments.

    • Mark

      I thank you too Roger for taking the time to read and respond in a most constructive and positive light. The bottom line is if this bill doesn’t pass, we can all have a good cry for as long as it takes to start over. I prefer to look at how much has been accomplished, how much positive reporting is taking place, how many groups outside of ACSOL, RSOL, are now supporting us for whatever reason, and acknowledge how attitudes towards those on the registry are changing. I could overthink this but I prefer to stay pro-active, hang with those who believe in getting a tiered registry started, and help those who are on the battlefield because they care. Call me an optimist. But I am also a survivor. Thank you Janice and everyone associated.

  12. USA

    Matt

    No one wants to hear your negativity! I’m still on the registry for an expunged battery with summary probation 20-21 years later! If your not happy, take this time to get your offense expunged or change the laws! Negativity gets you no where! We could still be banned from parks, beaches, libraries and who knows what else. People have lost jobs, families, homes and been killed by the registry. Go start your own website and stop being narcistic! The passage of this Bill will change the lives of many. I’m beginning to wonder if your even on the registry. Guys, stop addressing his or her issues. Let’s focus on being positive!!!!!

    • Matt

      USA: I understand now. I should only post on this site if I agree with you. Got it. Sorry, I thought I was still allowed to have my own opinion.

      • kind of living

        @matt ,,,, not everyone feels positive about this bill , been on the internet registry since it started and was on the old one in CA where you just reported to LEO’s only , 30 plus years ago , I am tier 3 they say at the LEO store where I do my price club shopping ! I don’t much like taking a back seat with all of my clean time , all I know is that I already lived under a tier system and don’t ever recall ever seeing or hearing a bunch of people getting off , matter of fact before the tier system went in to affect all RC’s had to register every 6 months , After it went into affect level 3’s had to register every 3 months , LEO,s doing the happy dance , shaming got worse for 3’s because more people seen you standing by the jail for hours what seemed like all the time , who knows maybe this is the new brand we should just trust is better than all of the other tier states ! I am sure I can tell my family its going to get better for us just anytime ! heck yes lets break out the BBQ and enjoy our fans driving by with there cam’s in hand ! wait for the whole block to come by and tell me and my family no hard feelings and premise not to ever key my truck again , LEO’s coming by to shake my hand telling how good I have been for the last 30+ years lol nice fairy tail , yet out in PA they are getting some positive momentum , in the long run we might really get some play on that , in the mean time this is what is on the table , I don’t like it , but people that have a much better understanding of it than I do like it , in the mean time I will just sit here in the back seat where I and many others have been placed and watch the cards as the true face cards are flipped over and watch it play out , it don’t matter what I think , and it never has

    • Matt

      Several thousand people just got the rug jerked out from under them. Just as I had suggested. Who is being negative now? Are you satisfied with this bill as amended? Are you okay with the fact that this will totally destroy thousands of lives that were previously manageable? Most of those in tier 1 just went to tier 3. Congrats on your fantastic bill.

  13. Aero1

    Life is like a box of chocolates you never know what you’re gonna get..🤣

  14. Bruce Ferrell

    For those concerned about supporting unknown language in SB421, there is always:

    https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB421

    Complete text of the bill, status and changes.

    It’s where I go when I want to know.

  15. Matthew

    Amended version is up as of August 21, 2017 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB421. Everyone this could be the last version.

  16. Matthew

    Some notes, I have read:
    It will now start 2021.
    Those on tier 3 based solely on Risk will be able to petition to be removed after 20 years.
    Those convicted of a felony of 311.1 or 311.11 will be in tier 2.
    Tier 3 is those of specific crimes: Section 187 while attempting to commit or committing an act punishable under Section 261, 286, 288, 288a, or 289.
    (ii) Section 207 or 209 with intent to violate Section 261, 286, 288, 288a, or 289.
    (iii) Subdivision (b) of Section 220.
    (iv) Section 269.
    (v) Subdivision (b) of Section 288.
    (vi) Section 288.7.
    risk level is well above average
    (E) The person is a habitual sex offender pursuant to Section 667.71.
    (F) The person was convicted of violating subdivision (a) of Section 288 in two proceedings brought and tried separately.
    (G) The person was sentenced to 15 to 25 years to life for an offense listed in Section 667.61.
    (H) The person is required to register pursuant to Section 290.004.
    (I) The person was convicted of a felony offense described in subdivision (b) or (c) of Section 236.1.
    (J) The person was convicted of violating Section 261 and punished pursuant to paragraph (1) or (2) of subdivision (c) of Section 264.
    (K) The person was convicted of violating subparagraph (B) or (C) of paragraph (2) of subdivision (c) of Section 286.
    (L) The person was convicted of violating subparagraph (B) or (C) of paragraph (2) of subdivision (c) of Section 288a.
    (M) The person was convicted of violating subparagraph (B) or (C) of paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) of Section 289.
    (N) The person was convicted of violating subdivision (b), (c), or (d) of Section 311.2, Section 311.3, 311.4, or 311.10.

    290.006. (a) Any person ordered by any court to register pursuant to the Act for any offense not included specifically in subdivision (c) of Section 290, shall so register, if the court finds at the time of conviction or sentencing that the person committed the offense as a result of sexual compulsion or for purposes of sexual gratification. The court shall state on the record the reasons for its findings and the reasons for requiring registration.
    (b) The person shall register as a tier one offender in accordance with paragraph (1) of subdivision (d) of Section 290, unless the court finds the person should register as a tier two or tier three offender and states on the record the reasons for its finding.
    (c) In determining whether to require the person to register as a tier two or tier three offender, the court shall consider all of the following:
    (1) The nature of the registerable offense.
    (2) The age and number of victims, and whether any victim was personally unknown to the person at the time of the offense. A victim is personally unknown to the person for purposes of this paragraph if the victim was known to the offender for less than 24 hours.
    (3) The criminal and relevant noncriminal behavior of the person before and after conviction for the registerable offense.
    (4) Whether the person has previously been arrested for, or convicted of, a sexually motivated offense.
    (5) The person’s current risk of sexual or violent reoffense, including the person’s risk level on the SARATSO static risk assessment instrument, and, if available from past supervision for a sexual offense, the person’s risk level on the SARATSO dynamic and violence risk assessment instruments.
    (d) This section shall become operative on January 1, 2021.

    Those that are in tier 2 may petition to be removed after 10 years (exlusion from internet) not of duty to register if they do not fall under Section 667.5 or 1192.7 (serious offenses or habitual).

    If you are in tier 2 after 10 years, you may also apply to get off internet by:
    completed probation- “successfully completed probation” means that during the period of probation the offender neither received additional county jail or state prison time for a violation of probation nor was convicted of another offense resulting in a sentence to county jail or state prison.

    This is really a gut punch to some.

    • AlexO

      Tier 3

      (N) The person was convicted of violating subdivision (b), (c), or (d) of Section 311.2, Section 311.3, 311.4, or 311.10.

      Does the above mean your tier 3 if b, c, d is violated in all 4 of these, or just for 311.2 and then any violation of the remaining?

      Also, several of the new amendments specifically call out a felony violation. Does a reduction of the felony to a misdemeanor help in such a case?

      It looks like they may have just about killed the bill with these amendments 🙁

      • Matthew

        It is if you violated one of those. Most of those mean a wnd conviction

        • AlexO

          WND Conviction?

          • Matthew

            2nd sorry.

            • AlexO

              Are you saying that

              “(N) The person was convicted of violating subdivision (b), (c), or (d) of Section 311.2, Section 311.3, 311.4, or 311.10.”

              is for 2nd or later conviction? That would be nice. I’m currently reading it as simply if you have one of these, you’re T3. I see (F) is the only one calling out a 2nd conviction as a reason for placement into T3.

    • AlexO

      Looks like this bill keeps things fairly close to the same as it is now, including again allowing Certificate of Rehab to end registring. A fairly small number of people will be able to sidestep the CoR if they happen to land in Tier 1 or 2 (tier 2 might be able to get off earlier via CoR).

      So ultimately they didn’t change all that much. Just got a lot of peoples hopes up to now be crushed.

      • Matt

        AlexO: Wrong. They are taking thousands of people who managed to stay off the public website and putting them right in the cross-hairs. But it’s going to be great, right? Just yesterday, you told me to stop talking because I was spreading rumors. How do you feel now my friend? This is all bad. And it’s all bad for all of us. you cannot trust elected people. No exceptions. Ever.

        • AlexO

          Sadly, you were right and I was wrong. I don’t think any of us expected the amendments to be so numerous and ugly. Hopefully there’s still time to right this ship.

      • Matthew

        AlexO, what are your charges and I can look into what tier this version will put you in to my best understanding.

        • AlexO

          I currently have 311.4a felony and 647.7a misdemeanor. Once I save a bit of money I’m going to go for an expungement and 17b reduction.

    • mot

      I am still confused; I was convicted of attempted 288(a) in 2001 as a part of a sting with a male Police Officer on the other end of my chats. Is that a Tier 1 or Tier 2 and will it require a COR to be released from the registry? Please help me find out. Thanks

      • Matthew

        Is that your only charge attempt for 288(a)? Was there more wording to it or any other convictions?

    • Timmr

      This is what the California legislature likes to do, make the law so detailed , so as to foresee every instance, that it in effect takes away any discretion of the judiciary to tailor sentences to respond to the crime in fact. They are control freaks, these legislators. In response, the plea deal becomes a tool for the judicial and enforcement branches to bring back some sense of individualisation in cases. There has got to be some point were this attempt by the legislature to foresee all outcomes and thereby to tailor sentences ready made for the courts to fit a broad class of offenses usurps judicial and executive power and so violates separation of powers.

  17. Matthew

    All it did was put everyone under the same umbrella once again besides a select few. As least its better than lifetime for us, I guess. What is ironic is that they are determining people’s level of reoffending by using Static 99 but once Static 99 doesn’t work, they put them under the same. Its not that great of bill. That 90% of those that will come off the bill under the original bill will be placed in tier 2.

  18. AlexO

    Looks like a fair amount of codes that were going to be tier 1 have now jumped to tier 3. WTH happened? This bill seems nearly worthless now as it seemingly maintenance a life sentence for most.

    • James A

      The penal sections covered under Tier 1 have not changed. Read the section operative in 2021. One thing that is confusing is that the amendments RESTORE sections previously amended immediately, until Jan. 1, 2021, when they will be supplanted by new language. Read carefully – do not jump to conclusions. For those who saw the opposition to this bill, it should not be surprising that there were some major amendments. The bill nearly did not make it out of Committee – but these amendments saved it.

      • AlexO

        You need to read it again. They basically left everything as is until 2021. That’s why all those old sections are back and are in black. The one amendment added to all these sections is about the expiration date.

        Just before tier 1 section they have a general list of every code that puts you on the registry. Then tier 1 says everything above that doesn’t have these enhancements is tier 1.

        Then there’s a line just before tier 2 and tier 3 that says nothing above applies if you fall here. Then both of these tiers begin listing codes that get you there and all of these codes are in that first section just above tier 1.

        So yes, a ton of codes that were tier 1 before are now in tier 2 and tier 3.

        If they start treating tier 2 and 3 differently, like having to register multiple times, this bill will actually create more work and costs than now as it seems almost everything actually falls into tier 2 or 3.

        I really hope I and everyone else are reading the bill incorrectly. It’s complete BS right now that hurts far more people than helps and doesn’t do at all what it’s supposed to.

  19. bill

    So now my wobbler conviction of a felony CP conviction I will have to go see if I can get it reduced to a misdemeanor so that I can be in Tier1 is that correct

    • AlexO

      Seems like it. I think convictions of 311.11 prior to 2014 can be reduced and expunged. Those after 2014 may have a more difficult time doing so as 311.11 was added to the restricted list.

    • Matthew

      Sounds like it

  20. Nondescript

    Many bills specify a date by which a law must be in place, such as ” on or before such and such date”, but this bill states “commencing on” January 2021. So it will take them nearly 3 1/2 years to determine what tier everyone belongs in? I don’t think it took that long for them to launch their shaming website after Megan’s Law passed a decade ago ( unless of course they already had it built and ready to go because they knew it was going to pass)
    It looks like they have amended and taken away the 30 yr plus registrants automatic removal from the registry ( unless they wrote it in a different section that I missed)

    • AlexO

      This likely takes longer to implement because this will require a case by case evaluation to properly place a person into a tier. The website was pretty much a blanket of everyone being included. They probably just did a CSV dump from an existing database.

      • Nondescript

        @AlexO
        Yes, you are probably correct. I also agree with you that this tiered bill is harsher than SORNA standards, except the frequency with which registrants must appear in person. But they need tiers first before they can justify that one, so that might be next.

        https://www.smart.gov/pdfs/sorna/california-hny.pdf

        This is a very useful link that compares and contrasts SORNA requirements vs California requirements. It suggests which Calif penal codes should be in which tier. It also clearly states ( on page 9) in regards to 1203.4s this:

        [Offenders receiving such a withdrawal of a guilty plea or set aside of their guilty verdict will no longer meet the definition of “convicted” under SORNA and, as such, are no longer required by SORNA to register. ]

        California refuses to acknowledge this however.

        • @Nondescript

          Thanks for this link and the helpful information on California’s 1203.4 and SORNA.

          I wonder if registrants who have a 1203.4 could move to a SORNA compliant state and then legally argue for no longer having to register in this new state per SORNA’s rule (?)

          • Nondescript

            Exactly. I would be interested to know if anyone has done that successfully. One way to find out is to go into a police station on any one of the 80 plus Indian reservations in Calif and ask them if you must register with a 1203.4. All tribal lands are under federal law and their jurisdictions follow SORNA guidelines to the letter. The casinos between Los Angeles and San Diego are all on tribal land.

    • James A

      California’s web site existed since the 40’s. California’s Megan’s Law only made a previously confidential list open to the public.

  21. Luke

    I made my calls today and have most of my family on the phones as well!!! I’m hoping and praying we still have a chance after wednesday and this goes to the governors desk. Things are only getting worse with this current registry evidenced just by today when I went in for my annual update. The officer that handles all SO’s in my city, whom is extremely nice and helpful by the way, pointed out just how frustrated she is by how registrations, updates, transients etc are handled. Now on TOP of it all, the DOJ has mandated that we undergo fingerprinting with livescan technology, which I did today. That process added an extra 30 minutes of fumbling around with each hand and finger before the computer would recognize an acceptable print. I was frustrated and I can only imagine that law enforcement are doubly so. WE NEED TO GET THIS PASSED AND CHANGE THE SYSTEM!!!! GET ON THE PHONES AND GET AS MANY BODIES ON THEM AS YOU CAN!!!!! LET’S DO THIS!!!!

    • Matt

      This doesn’t change the system. It makes it worse for thousands.

      • Bruce Ferrell

        No Matt,

        Right now, there is no out at all. Under this bill, even tier 3 has a (slight) possibility. That’s better than none.

        • AlexO

          Where do you see in the current bill that tier 3 has a slight possibility to get off if the reason the person is there for anything other than a 6+ on Static-99?

      • Bruce Ferrell

        Assuming the bill basses in this form, for me, I will have been on the registry for nearly 30 years when it takes effect. At that point I can at LEAST try to get off.

        Without this bill, there is no way off, ever.

        There was a slim chance a few years ago, but the attorney I hired showed up without the points and authorities needed to justify the COR. By the time he had them in the court, the California Supreme Court had set aside the appellate decision. By the time they ruled (against that decision), the legislature had changed the law to correct the flaw in the standing statute to close even the possibility of the appellate decision.

        As things stand right now, again for me, the only way off the registry is a death certificate.

        Is that perfect? No. Perfect is the enemy of good. Is it better? You better believe it.

        Someone said something about “if you move somewhere else, you still have to register”. No. To my knowledge the only condition where you have to register somewhere else is if you have to register where you came from. If you’re off the registry in California, you don’t have to register on the state registry anywhere else.

        The rules CAN change. But that’s what they are now.

  22. AlexO

    I think this bill will now have a more difficult time passing. Reason being is that with all these new amendments, it seems like majority of people will be pushed into tier 2 and some, myself included, are seemingly being pushed from a previous tier 1 into tier 3 (I have a 311.4a felony and a 647.6a misdemeanor, will be going in for a 17b and expungement soon).

    With so many people now not getting a quicker relief and many more remaining for life, the cost to savings benefit no longer seems like it’ll be there. Between the cost of implementing this “tiered” system (I’m placing into quotes because this is a tiered system mainly on paper and not in practice) and the fact that this won’t reduced the current amount of people by any significant amount, I can see the bean counters not letting it pass.

    I just want to know what happened for such a drastic set of amendments?

    • AlexO

      This tiered system actually seems a fair amount more harsh than SORNA standards and only slightly better than California’s current all or nothing standards.

      At first I was very upset this morning upon seeing this, but now I’m sort of in the middle again as I’ve thought more on it. For me personally, this now seems like literally nothing has changed. I’m seemingly in tier 3 (life like before) and they reopened CoR for which I still qualify as before (311.4 isn’t on the restricted list and neither is 647.6a misdemeanor).

  23. Roger

    If anyone calls in to oppose this bill because you do not agree with Janice’s strategy and think you somehow know politics and lawmaking better than her and can see a bigger picture than she can, I personally request that you tell each legislator you are a registered sex offender and that you like the registry the way it is now and that you think this bill is very unfair to sex offenders and that you do not want the legislator to support this bill because it is too tough on sex offenders and should be much friendlier.

    😉

    As for the rest of us, please don’t mention you are a registrant when you call in to support it.

    • AlexO

      I’d be curious to hear what Janice now thinks of this bill as today’s amendments have pretty much gutted it. I’m expecting to see an official statement from her, and I don’t expect it to be favorable.

      • Roger

        No matter how SB 421 turns out, we can’t be too picky about our “rescue boat” to our island of registrant isolation, to use a metaphor.

        We have no power over what kind of boat comes. At this time, it is up to the people who are moving it forward, primarily law enforcement.

        It may not hold all of us, but I hope that those of you who do get off the registry will work on sending a rescue boat for the rest of us over the long term.

        It may not take us to the exact destination we want to go and may not be very comfortable, but at least many of us will be off the lifetime sentence and can work to make it better.

        Most importantly, the tiered registry is the only viable path to a incrementally bring sanity to the public’s perception of us. No heroic rescues will come from the courts in the form of destroying all registries overnight. That’s because as long as the public hysteria continues, judges are swayed by popular opinion. The registry will not magically disappear soon.

        Yes, we must continue to use the legal system, but only as ONE of many methods we use.

        The registry took 70 years to become the unmanageable mess that it currently is. Making a tiered registry is the first step is having some kind of tiered registry to start with.

        Remember that few laws remain unchanged over time! Many badly-made laws have been modified and softened over time when they are seen to be unworkable.

        The same will be true for the tiered registry. If too many amendments to SB 421 prevent all but a few from getting off the registry, the same people who support it will push legislators to loosen it up–not to be nice to us, but to reach their own goal of freeing up law enforcement resources from processing 110,000 registrants.

        I’m sorry that some of you may be not be treated fairly in the first version of SB 421, and my fellow tier 3 registrants will not be helped by this bill.

        But I ask that you look at the big picture and the long term. That gives me hope.

        • AlexO

          I’m just feeling very defeated because I went from tier 1 yesterday to tier 3 today with these amendments.

          As I said in an earlier post, for me things seem to have changed very little. For the moment, it looks like my path out is via CoR just like before this tiered bill (it was nice that at least they put that back in; in previous versions CoR seemed to have been eliminated as a path to get off the registry).

          As I also said earlier, I don’t think the bill will pass in its current form as all the new amendments seemingly cut almost everyone out of tier 1 and even tier 2. I don’t think the big selling point of this being fiscally better for the state as well as making it easier on law enforcement any longer holds true. It would likely take decades or longer for the state to actually start seeing savings if so many people get pushed to 20 years and even life.

          Right now I’m not really for or against it as it seemingly doesn’t help or hurt me from my current position.

          My general fear is that if the bill passes it will be a lot more difficult to pass something more meaningful.

          I wonder why the bill was changed so drastically? It seemed to be receiving overwhelming support in it’s previous form but all of a sudden they slammed on the breaks and even u-turned on most things. I’m want to know who made these amendments so that I can vote against them in the upcoming elections.

          • Matt

            AlexO: Me too. And thousands of others as well. Anybody who thought lawmakers would actually try to do the right thing….well, nuff said. Now it’s worse for everybody. Bad law. All the way around; it’s bad law. And it will probably pass. Once they get everybody to tier 2 or 3, it will justify more spending, because we are more dangerous today than we were yesterday. This was a scam from the get-go. And most of us fell for it.

        • Matt

          Roger, I am trying to see your point of view, but I think you’re missing something: This is what I was getting at over the weekend. This new version makes it worse, rather than better, for thousands of us. It doesn’t look much like a rescue boat to me. It looks like a rock tied to a rope, the other end of which is tied to the ankles of thousands of people. This is not good. It’s worse.

    • Luke

      I’m of the latter variety Roger! 🙂 Good advice by the way.

      • Matt

        This is what lawyers call “bad law”. Good luck. It’s about to get a whole lot worse.

    • David

      One lawmaker’s office did ask why I support this Bill. I said I atrongly support civil liberties for those who have already paid their debt to society.

    • kind of living

      @Roger ,,, we all know Janice has a plan , and everyone respects her , but we are not rooting for our favorite team or a favorite attorney for that matter , you can think / feel/ do a little dance / its your right , this bill can move some from a level 1 to a 2 or even a 3 , when the bill is supposed to free up the registry , and why is there still no language of ex amount of max clean time for 3’s to be able to get off ? even people with a murder rap with a life sentence can do 12 years ,do their parole , and be free long before 30 years , in the mean time us and our familys suffering , this bill looks to me as if it takes us deeper into the regulatory scam and further away from the constitution , you said “you personally request that we tell each legislator” and all that bull , that was under the belt and you knew it when you said it , all the same I am glad for you that you see the whole picture so much better than everyone else , even if many of us each having different issues and individual views ,

    • Mark

      Well said Roger!

  24. David

    👍 KEEP IT UP, PEOPLE!!
    KEEP IT UP!! 👍
    I just made my calls and was told by a staff person that they are receiving A LOT of calls supporting approval of SB-421!
    We can win this one!
    Make your calls, please! 👍

  25. David

    The Bill as it reads today repeatedly refers to “SARATSO static risk assessment instrument”.
    Is that the same as the “Static 99” instrument?

    • AlexO

      For the moment, I believe only the Static-99 score is used here. It’s under the umbrella of SARATSO as their are other tools in the process but not yet fully implemented. I have a 4 (moderately – high) under Static-99 but almost zero on the other tools. I really wish they’d go with more recent tools that are not just 10 black and white questions.

  26. Misdemeanor 647.6

    Can anyone comment on a single misdemeanor 647.6, with no other convictions? After reading through the revision, it seems as though it’s back to being left alone. (Except if you have multiple) Can anyone confirm if it’s tier 1 and non disclosed on the public website as it seems to me?

    Thanks!

    • AlexO

      I believe you’re correct and are getting the best end of this deal.

    • Nondescript

      As the bill is currently written, a single misdemeanor 647.6 is tier 1. If convicted of a second misdemeanor 647.6 involving a separate judicial process, then it is tier 2.

      Interesting to note the wording regarding the risk assessment tool bumping people up to a tier 3 :
      [The person’s risk level on the static risk assessment instrument for sex offenders (SARATSO), pursuant to Section 290.04, IS well above average risk at the time of release on the index sex offense into the community, as defined in the Coding Rules for that instrument.]

      It is referring to present tense, as if it will be applied to new registrants just released from incarceration into the community . Because they are thinking long term with this law it is difficult to ascertain how they are going to apply that sentence to registrants who have been in the community for a decade or more.

      Another amendment includes an ” undetermined tier” that a person could land in limbo land for 2 years until they figure out which tier they go in. ( no mention if those registrants would be subject to internet disclosure)

      Also it states this : [ A certificate of rehabilitation issued on or after January 1, 2021, does not relieve a person of the obligation to register as a sex offender unless the person obtains relief granted under Section 290.5.] I believe this to mean after 2021, only a successful petition gets you off the registry because the former language regarding CORs will be repealed.

      I am fairly certain this bill is going to pass and i’m fairly certain that there will be many lawsuits brought to challenge instances where harsher treatment will be the result.

      • AlexO

        The CoR language actually remains just about the same. 290.5 requires a CoR and includes a list of codes with which the CoR doesn’t help. They basically amended it to have a blanked +5 years (previously a few codes only gave +2 years). This change will take effect in 2021. So a few people could potentially file for CoR a bit earlier if they are among that +2 years. Other than that, the path out through CoR basically remains unchanged for all the points that matter.

  27. Lake County

    I must say, this new version is much harder to understand. I’m very confused. We should support this for now with the appropriations committee, but we need Janice and Chance to clarify this Bill before it goes to the next committee.

    • AlexO

      Agreed. Some of the changes are seemingly out of the left field, taking a huge jump. I have a 311.4a. Previously, this was tier 1. Now it seems to be tier 3. Many other codes are seemingly in the same boat. There actually seems to be almost nothing that’s tier 1 as most things seem to now fall under tier 2 or 3.

      • Lake County

        I’m not so sure we’re reading it correctly. Lets wait to hear how Janice interprets this before we all jump to conclusions. Remember, it can still be modified again, for better or worse.

    • Matt

      Lake, No….We should NOT support it. WAKE UP! It’s a scam! By puttin galmost everybody in Tier 2 or 3, they justify more money!!!!! Pay attention! It’s getting worse, not better.

      • Steve

        Matt I’m guessing you fall into the category of never being listed but now you will be. It will be hard for you to gain much sympathy about that as most of us have been on for years and decades and have been through hell and back. Get a lawyer fight it based on the 6th circuit’s decision that it is unconstitutional to tier someone without an individual hearing. I might go down that road if I’m all of a sudden a tier 3. The thousands you speak of should all do that if this passes.

        • Matt

          Steve, I am not looking for sympathy. This isn’t about me. It’s about us. This was a bait and switch. This bill was partially good, and mostly rotten from the beginning. Now it’s totally rotten. Good luck.

      • Lake County

        Matt,
        Well I’m already on the public list for a wobler, so I’ll look into getting it reduced. Before I decide if I will support this Bill, or not, it would be smart to hear an interpretation from an attorney, right? Unless you are an attorney, I won’t trust your word that the sky is falling.

        • Lake County

          I made my phone calls to the appropriations committee today in support. I will give my support at least until we have a final-final version.

  28. Friendly Advice

    I just read through the new revision and feel like I’m in The Matrix. What does it mean for those of us only with misdeamor 647.6?

    • AlexO

      I believe you have the best end of a deal if you only have a single convictions of misdemeanor 647.6a: Tier 1 and not on the net.

  29. JC

    I just glanced through the amended bill. It seems now that hardly anyone would actually end up on tier 1. Personally I would go from being a tier 1 to a tier 3. I listened in on all the hearings as this bill progressed there was such overwhelming support for the bill and so many wanted to be co-authors and co-sponsors of the bill. I wonder now with such drastic changes and amendments if it will lose some support or momentum that it gained through the other hearings. I wonder if there’s still time for amendments to be made or for discussion to be had regarding more changes before the final votes are made. I don’t see how anyone can pass this bill if it’s not doing what it is set out to be doing as described by the author which is to make the registry more usable and save money and time and resources because now the registry is unusable because it’s so cluttered and crowded with individuals that pose no threat. Using me as an example I would have been a tier one under the original proposed bill for noon contact offense my static-99 is low enough to put me on tier 1 the stable and acute tests that were given to me put me at a very low risk of recidivism but still being a low-risk offender I would be put into a tier 3 under this amended bill. My question is how is that accomplishing the purpose or the so-called purpose of this bill.

  30. B.Wat

    Made my donation today, will make my calls tomorrow. I just read ( or tried to read ) today’s amendments to SB-421 and I didn’t see anything about the 30 years and your off, that was in the last version of this bill. Anyone happen to come across this in the new bill? We need to get a petition going to propose a Bill, to get our Legislators to write these Bills so the average citizen can understand them, after all it is our asses on the line!

    • Lake County

      B.Wat,
      You’re right, I don’t see anything about anyone being automatically removed. I’m sure a lot of people are going to be disappointed with that. Wiener sure waited to the last minute to submit such drastic changes to this Bill.

  31. David

    I tried reading the Bill with all its endless amendments. It is nearly impossible to make any sense of.
    (Perhaps that is the intention behind all those amendments: smother the Bill with words until it is dead.)

  32. Roger

    My opinion is that I am not at all surprised that a zillion amendments are being added to make it tough on registrants. Don’t you guys understand human emotions, motivations, and politics? All you guys who are panicking about the details, remember the obvious: the number one reason law enforcement wants this bill is to save money and time by processing less people. The amendments are over-correction to get the momentum to smash through the 70-year-old wall of hysteria against us and actually have a tiered system.

    THIS PROBLEM OF OVER-AMENDING IS SELF CORRECTING! Law enforcement is not going to put all this political capital into a bill and not get what they want. AFTER it passes, law enforcement will tell the legislators to strip off enough of the crazy amendments so that the registry really can shrink, NOT to be nice to us but to SAVE THEM MONEY. That’s how laws are made and reshaped.

    Those of you who understand basic human emotions and are politically savvy will understand that it HAS to happen this messy way because Republicans and law and order Democrats have demonized us for so long that now when they hear cops saying the current registry hurts their efforts to fight crime, they need these harsh amendments to save face before their constituents and back-peddle politically to support the tiers. That is a MAJOR change, guys. It will not be done in a clean, low-key, logical, rational, minimal-drama way like some of you guys imply is possible. No Republican or law-and-order Democrat wants to make things nice and convenient and fair and easy for us, even when they realize they must get a tiered registry.

    WELCOME TO THE REAL-WORLD OF LAW-MAKING THE MESSY, EMOTIONAL, ILLOGICAL, CHEST-THUMPING HIGH-DRAMA, FACE-SAVING WAY, GUYS!

    You are living in a fantasy world if you think rational justice and court decisions are the only thing you need to overcome a 70-year mistake! You can fuss and worry about the amendments, but we have little influence in the details. You may as well fuss about how the stars in the sky are positioned.

    There is NO other good option. And our current life sentence on the registry sucks enough that I am willing to ally with groups that I normally would have little in common with so that a very imperfect bill smashes through a 70-year-old mess and starts the process of reforming the registry.

    Let’s get on the train that is finally going in the right general direction.

    Those of you who rant and rave about how terrible this bill seem quite content with your life sentence. Maybe you have enough money to hide in a comfortable cave and write endless complaints, but I don’t.

    I WANT ACTION. SB 421 initiates the action.

    I hope most of you guys are also willing to potentially be inconvenienced to see positive action.

    WE HAVE ONE MORE DAY TO MAKE THOSE CALLS. Please call by Tuesday, August 21. It only took me 10 minutes.

    • John4

      Thank u Roger for explaining that.

    • Matt

      So your premise is that “law enforcement” is going to allow a bad law to be created, then force lawmakers to correct a bad law after it’s created? Are you serious? How did that plan work out with Obama Care? This has been sold to us as a positive move in the right direction. At first, I agreed. I didn’t like a lot of things in the bill several months back, but there was at least some logic to it. Now, just about everybody gets put into a worse situation than they’re in currently, and an unattainable carrot is dangled in front of them. Classic bait and switch. And I have news for you: This expectation that law enforcement wants less work is false. They want more money. And now that a huge swath of people will be more dangerous tomorrow than they are today; PRESTO! justification for more money, handed to them by us. This was a mistake. Too late now. Good luck.

    • kind of living

      @ Roger ,,,, Who the heck are you talking to ? “Comfortable Cave” lol and worked hard? you need not talk like you really know anything about many of us , or the crap holes we live in , you know nothing of how hard we worked to raise a family on crap wages , in my own case I was on my own at 15 and was doing a mans days work at the age of 8 living on a farm , you have no idea what its like to have worked your whole life , and end up disabled ! from the damage of construction work / heat / dirty courts , and have some burger king bouncer tell you about work , and where our life should be headed ! and as far as a cave go’s I would gladly trade this this roach/ bedbug infested jail cell of a motel for a cave , I could put an address on it to stay in compliance with this out of control registry , my backing this bill will not make or brake this bill , but what I will do is what the bill is going to do for 1000’s of us “NOTHING” matter of fact it further pigeon holes us , you see I am nothing like I was back over 30++ years ago , wild/ unthinking / naïve / drinking drugging / some what functioning never knowing what the meaning of being born fetal alcohol even was , I looked like everyone else , not doing well in school and for a year went to Chris Jespersen school in SLO , my home county ,,, all I knew was that I seemed slow and was king of bad decisions , not able to grasp reading till I was in prison years later , an old con figured out away to teach me how to read , and therefore could plainly see how I got screwed in court , so I know there are others out here on this registry that are being bullied into the same revolving door of this registry and its laws , the only thing I had a good understanding of was motorcycles and work , became a father of loyal loving children that were all strait A students and a great wife , all my kids except one are meth addicts do to the fact that this registry kept us in drug infested housing rather than where we would have been living “Out In The Cut” and not next to drug dealers , if I would have known years ago how things were going to turn out never married and dragged my innocent wife and later kids through this life that I unknowingly created , under the old laws you could move on and work / raise a family / sport a nice car / motorcycles/ put a huge garden in raise chickens /pigeons , and live a small dream , now one of my girls is in prison out in the mid west on drug charges , one of my other girls is deaf and living with meth addicts and nothing we can about it , and last but not least girl died from aids when she was only 21 from sharing needles , don’t give me your just sign here because we are just unable to see the over all picture , because we are just cave dwellers %&#?#%, me / and son/ his wife all donate for the cause of this on going fight against these unconstitutional laws , we are but 4 people left to fight in this cave dweller famiy so what I have to say carry’s little weight , all the same my / our right to say it based on not just our needs , but many , I can see a wreck coming from miles away being a biker , and this is a pile up that will take for ever to clear up , we need to go after the 1947 law , as well as the ML , relentlessly , Side note , I know who really has their head buried in the sand , and its not us cave dwellers as you say , fact is your just making people keep their bikes on kickstands because of your rude insinuations , because some of us see your insults as a bad sign , and this ole biker will not be pushed in to the traffic beg to be ran over buy you or anyone else , your free to ride as you wish , just don’t expect to see me in your mirrors

      • Roger

        Kind of Living, you seem to think I’m in a better situation than you. I am not. We have a number of things in common. For example, I grew up in a very bad part of L.A. in poverty. I currently live in poverty. I’m trying to get a little business going at 58 because I am unemployable due to obsolete job skills and prejudice from being on the registry. I live in a room an elderly relative kindly lets me stay in, and face homelessness the day he passes away.

        Neither of us is well-off, like most registrants.

        But worst of all is that I, like you, am tier 3, and like you I’ve also been on the registry for decades.

        I have no hope of getting off the registry, even with the tiered registry. Based on what you have written, it sounds like you are in the same situation.

        I get it that you are pissed off about the political maneuverings going on right now with amendments. So am I. I wish it was possible to overcome public hysteria and have legislators write just, balanced bills. But they will not, no matter how passionately you argue that we should hold out for the perfect bill.

        What makes me angry is that you are tearing down ACSOL’s strategy and trying to convince others to do the same, while offering only a generalized statement like “we should be fighting for to retire the registry” as an alternative.

        But do you understand what it takes to get that done? I don’t, so I trust ACSOL.

        Are you offering specific suggestions that take into account political realities? No, and I don’t have one either, so I trust ACSOL.

        You imply that it is possible to have a court make one decision that magically throws out all registries. That won’t happen! Public hysteria will only fade when they see a significant number of people get off the registry and not cause a wave of sex offenses. So even with all these crazy amendments, a significant number of people will be able to get off the registry and start proving there is no jump in offenses, so being on the registry wasn’t what stopped us from reoffending–it was our choice to now be law abiding.

        ACSOL, and Janice in particular, is constantly fighting to retire the registry at multiple levels, including legislative and judicial. She integrates various strategies. And right now, that includes supporting a bill that is far from what we want it to be with the knowledge that MOST LAWS ARE MODIFIED OVER TIME.

        The bill as it is written is not the end-game, it is a starting point!

        Once this bill passes, ACSOL can take action to try to get it modified, as it has been successful at doing so many times.

        Without this bill, we can’t.

        We have little say in amendments because the main force driving this bill law enforcement, not legislators.

        We all have the right to come to our own conclusions about this bill. If you think you understand the complex messy world of politics and making laws and still think you know better than Janice, and refuse to support this bill, you are entitled to that belief, and can express that here. There is nothing wrong with that, nor blowing off a little steam.

        But I know that ACSOL is working hard to give all of us hope. It has done a huge amount of good for all of us.

        No other organization is doing as much to help registrants as ACSOL.

        So I will support its recommendations even when I don’t understand the complexities and strategy involved. I’m sure Janice will have more to say on this as time goes on.

        The alternative is despair, anger and being on the registry indefinitely.

        P.S. I’m glad you saw the humor in my post about calling in. We all need a sense of humor to help us deal with the stresses of being registrants.

        • kind of living

          @ Roger ,,, I am not tearing down ASCOL in no way , It’s not like I have not seen the many great things Janice has done , I respect her for the work she has done as well as the passion she has for her work and compassion she shows for RC’s and their family’s , while that makes me feel “warm and fuzzy ,”, I once had an attorney at one point seemed to have my best interest at heart , for a public defender he had high dollar suits used 10 dollar words , I was naïve could not even read , so my attorney was a great contrast to me sitting in a dirty orange jumpsuit been beat up by the cops in the jail and told what I was going to do in court , me sitting in court looking like crap scratched an ear bleeding , and a very ordinary looking gentleman walked up and sat down behind me and told me he was attorney from the ACLU , I had no idea what that was , and he said he wanted to talk to me , and my attorney for the first time looked pissed off , and he advised me not to talk to the man , I did what he told me rather than going by my gut instinct , that stupid blind trust of the law cost me 5 years flat in prison , so I never go by what things seem to be , granted I don’t have great understanding of the law , so it means nothing to me that you get angry because you “think” I am “trying” to tear down ACSOL’s strategy , or trying to convince others , your far from the truth , say a law is a turd that’s been there in front of your door for a long time , do you pick the turd up and put it in the trash? or do you cover it up with another “turd law” that’s nice and fresh ? it stinks worse for many , your way over reacting , because most of the time I don’t even think people even read what I say , and I don’t blame them I am not real good at this kind of communication , but have been working on it , what I don’t understand is why we waste time and money on tuning up this crappy little scooter that’s shaky and dangerous of a bill just because that’s what they hand us , rather than building a real motorcycle starting with the frame work “better bill” so you have a place to put the motor breaks / wheels , and kick the stinkin scooter out of the way , never supporting the scooter to begin with , I oppose all forms of registry’s , but since it don’t even go in to affect till 2021 whats the hurry to just jump on the first rickity little scooter that comes along ? see why so few people read my comments ? anyway thank you for talking to me like a human

  33. NPS

    Based on the newest amendments, I’m still a tier 1. Looks like I’ll be applying for the CoR in 2020 after all since the tiered registry doesn’t take affect until 2021. By then I’d be in my 11th year of registering.

  34. James

    Looks like people might get what they wanted, careful what you wish for. And for RICK as what you wrote(Those of you who rant and rave about how terrible this bill seem quite content with your life sentence. Maybe you have enough money to hide in a comfortable cave and write endless complaints, but I don’t.) maybe you should have worked harder, I hate when people say this, the ones that have worked hard even being on the registry are a lot better than YOU.

  35. James

    What I see is that so many think this is a silver bullet, that your life will magically be better as soon as this bill gets placed into law, for some it might but the arrest record is still there as well as the conviction, other sites will continue to keep you on until they are forced to take you off. If you stay put the neighborhoods where you live most likely already know of your crime so that will not change, your job prospects will likely not change unless you have some sort of trade. If you attempt to move to another state you will be placed right back on the registry so you are still a prisoner of California. Then comes the money it will take to attempt to get off even with the bill, as long as the Judges and district attorneys are involved it is going to cost you big time. Everyone that is on the registry hates it, they hope and dream of the day that it will stop, but many waste half of lifetime thinking about it instead of going out and making their self better. All I ever hear is how the registry keeps everyone down, that is not the case for many that I know. Yes it is a hardship, few friends and less travel but the truth is as I know it, if you cannot survive on the registry doubtful you can after. The registry needs to go but not by lining the pockets of attorneys and evaluation specialists. I wish all well and hope they find whatever it is they are looking for. Just my 2 cents, so trash away, too busy to read this site much anyway.

  36. Wife of an SO

    Wondering if someone could help clarify where a 288.5 (single offense, low Static 99) will land? My husband is getting out of prison in less than 3 months and I’ve been watching this closely. I was pretty sure he would have been Tier 2 before which we were ok with after fearing the current lifetime registry and address in the web, but now I’m not sure I’m reading it right. Will he still be tier 2? And since this now doesn’t go into effect until 2021, does that mean those about to be released will still be subject to the old rules on the website (posting your address) until then?

    I am so sorry for what you all have endured and I really hope that this does at least get some reforms started. I’ve gotta admit, the registry and website scare the crap out of me, but I’ve stood by my husband for nearly 13 years, I’m not gonna abandon him now. Praying this brings more relief than it looks like now.

  37. ValueGirl

    Always frustrated when these things change. What makes it harder is that I’m Federal. I have a single CP (Federal 18 USC 2252A(a)(5)(B)) charge. Before changes I would have been a Tier 1. Is there an equivalent Code number for California codes? I don’t know where I fall now after changes and reading everyone’s comments.

    • AlexO

      California code for child pornography possession is 311.11. With these current amendments that places you into tier 2.

      • MS

        Unbelievable that somebody that possessed (not made) CP would be considered Tier 2. Non-contact offense. Going to be great for business for everyone that is involved with the ML website. Watch the site double in size if 311.11 goes Tier 2

        • AlexO

          Non-contact sex offenses are actually treated as worse for purposes of Static-99 risk level. On the Static-99 you actually get a +1 if it was a NON-contact crime. My static-99 is a 4 because it was non-contact, not a relative, a stranger, and I was 33-years-old at the time. Had I actually touched my victim it would’ve been a 3. Had I also been 2 years older at the time of my conviction or somehow held off on the conviction for 2 years until I turned 35, that would be another point less as they use your age at the time of conviction, not the date of the offense. So a good lawyer could sometimes actually cheat the Static-99 a bit if they’re aware of how it’s calculated and your close to any of the four thresholds on it (the older you are the less points you get for that first age question, all the way down to getting a -3 if you’re in your 60’s). Yes, that’s how insane that BS Static-99 is.

          Further insult to injury, per Static-99’s own guidelines it’s recommended the person be reevaluated after 2 years and that the general risk level roughly halves every 5 years to the point of Static-99 risk level no longer being after 10 years. But hey, they’re using it solely to stick someone into tier 3 with only after double the time of their own documentation could you petition for a reduction. So they get to use junk science against people while at the same time ignoring the same junk science where it would produce a result they do not want.

          • Follow the $

            Static-99 is not applicable to CP possession charges. Not designed for it and specifically says do not use in CP possession charges.

            • AlexO

              Yeah, I should’ve noted that CP isn’t supposed to be scored. Everything I said though is true as well as the example Relief posted.

          • Relief Is 2023

            STATIC 99: Two persons no records: A 65 year old grandfather who rapes his granddaughter ranks much lower risk on the STATIC then a gay 19 yo dating a 17 yo.

            In fact this grandfather has one of the best scores possible: -3! (vs a +4)

          • Matthew

            If your only charge is 311, it can not be scored according to scoring rules. It says it right on the scoring sheet. I can try to find it if anyone is interested.

  38. AlexO

    I just read the bill analysis and it’s a complete joke. They post it yesterday and didn’t even bother updated beyond the dates. It still talks about the automatic release for this convicted prior to 1987 despite the fact that the current amendments strikes that. It talks about how it will allow law enforcement to better monitor high risk and violent offenders when the current bill throws a ton of people into tier 3 who are no where near violent or high risk (I’m not seemingly going to be placed in tier 3 from previously tier 1 and my crime was non-contact and Static-99 of 4).

    https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billAnalysisClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB421#

    I’m angry right now and almost hope this bill tanks. I’m not going to call and tell them not to support it but I’m not sending any positive vibes its way. This complete BS analysis is what put me over the edge. They couldn’t even be bothered to update it to reflect the current version. F them.

  39. mike r

    let me chime in here. I am very sceptical especially when we have people telling us that this is a take it or leave it and is our only option. thats bs man. it really concerns me when they say that the registry cant ne toppled by any one case Ha I say. look at Pennsylvania. thousands of people off the registry just like that. one case,thousands relieved. tiered registry is by far not the only options and when someone keeps pushing that it is it should make anyone question their motives. now I hear its been changed grom going into effect untill 2021 I have to wonder what else has neen changed and what else will be changed if it ever becomes law. the way I see it is by creating this tiered system they are attempting to save a dying horse or prolong its suffering. have faith people regardless of this fantasy bill helping or hurting anyone I am filing next Tuesday and the registry in its current form is coming down. It may sound like a pipe dream but it really isn’t and it doesn’t take a genius to see the writing on the wall. Stop telling people a tiered registry is our only option it’s really misleading and does nothing to create support for your flawed positions.

    • Roger

      Mike R, the fundamental flow in your position is that your solution is Whack-A-Mole. Yes, you can win a court case, and ACSOL has done well in the legal arena.

      The reality is that as long as the public fear and hysteria remains, politicians will just pass new versions of the same bad laws. Over and over and over and over.

      The courts–which tend to have very focused decisions–are just one of multiple ways ACSOL works for justice.

      Having a tiered registry IN COMBINATION WITH ACSOL’S ACTIONS is the difference between California and what is happening to registries in other states. I am sorry for you guys who do not have the equivalent of ACSOL in your state, so it would be great if you know of an attorney in your state who would be willing to start an organization like ACSOL and network with us.

      But, my fellow Californians, we DO have ACSOL here fighting hard for us and succeeding many, many times! And what happens in California will influence other states, just as our work fighting bad residency and presence laws in cities influences other cities to drop their restrictions.

      ACSOL will fight incrementally to improve the tiered registry, no matter how messy the final law is. But we need a law to work with. Right now, it is a constant flood of random bad bills that would mostly disappear when the tiered registry comes into effect.

      • John4

        Once again thank u Roger for the words of encouragement! One brick at a time!!! Thank u Janice !!

        • kind of living

          @ John4 .>>>as long as those bricks don’t end up being used as a way to further brick us and our familys in to the level 3 pigeon hole , I understand people that can get off the registry thinking this is great deal , fine I wish you all the luck in the world , but nothing is automatic at this point , in my eyes makes it a crap bill , and still leaves men / women at level 3 at life in less If there is some way are able to afford an attorney just to figure out if they can get off , there is no wording in this bill of a max amount of years for life , just LIFE , everything is guide lines geared to punishment , oh well this guy has say two cases in no way the same in nature , and placed as a 3 life with no regard as to how many years ago they were , and some one gets 3 or 4 cases that did no real time , just paper , and have only been on the registry for ten years and looking to get off , ok what ever , mean while the guy that did some years in prison and hard paper many years ago and not reoffended gets no love for his years of being a good citizen as well as hard time , and the stack yeas 99 don’t even address our cases , and never look at lowering our threat level , just stuck at life just because , your welcome for all my good time and shining a good light on all others on this registry that will benefit from the stats of people that have lived this , showing in good faith that at some point someone will look out for us lifers as a positive force that helped open doors for others doors

      • David

        Roger, “And what happens in California will influence other states.”? Not really. We are still one of the last four States with lifetime registration for all S.O.s.

  40. mike r

    you know how much better off this state would be if we had someone file suit like that in Pennsylvania. now that would take all these same people off the registry immediately and thousands upon thousands more, unconditionally and without hurting anyone left on it.how is that not a option and how can anyone say it isn’t feasable in light if the Pennsylvania decision
    thats where our resources and civil rights leaders should be focused on not some fairytale that is going to make it harder to overturn the registry as a whole ny eliminating the very few of us that could cause major reform, ie prime candidates for suits such as Frank Lindsey who there is no way a court could justify keeping him registered. why hasn’t anyone pushed for a suit like Pennsylvania here in Ca especially using no risk offenders before trying to get those offenders removed from the registry? Why?

    • David

      If Janice and ACSOL have not filed a Pennsylvania-type lawsuit here in California, I am confident that there is very good reason for not doing so.

  41. AlexO

    I just thought of something. That fact that this bill won’t go into effect until 2021 seems a bit weird as prior it was suggested that it would go live in 2019 to give them enough time to get their ducks in a row. What if the extra time is there on purpose because the people who actually want real change for RC’s expect to roll back and change some of the current negative amendments? Like they know today’s bill is BS but they need these amendments to pass. Then they’ll use the next 3+ years to scale it back down?

    Sorry for posting contradictory feelings all over the place. I’m just trying to find some sort of silver lining.

    • David

      Or, Alex, what if the opposite is true and they wanted to have four years in which to repeal it altogether, leaving us right back where we are today: lifetime registration for all.

      • Relief Is 2023!

        Oregon passed a Tiering bill in 2013 that took until ~ Dec 2017 to be implemented, so this time frame is what is seems to take for a state to process Tiers…

        Of course when it’s to make the Register harsher, it only takes months!

  42. 647.6

    Roger:

    You wrote: “Those of you who rant and rave about how terrible this bill seem quite content with your life sentence. Maybe you have enough money to hide in a comfortable cave and write endless complaints, but I don’t.
    I WANT ACTION. SB 421 initiates the action.”

    It’s a bit hypocritical of you to sit there and talk about what you want, but then criticize others for stating what they want or don’t want, in this matter. The facts is, not every registrant is created equal. I don’t mean that in the sense that some are more dangerous than others, but to say that not all “punishments” are the same.

    For instance, some may already be listed publicly on the website and don’t qualify for a COR. For those, any change that may result into being let off at some point down the road, really have nothing to lose by supporting it. However, for those who are currently unlisted and/or may also qualify for a COR, there’s a LOT to be lost and everyone should understand their hesitation to support a bill that worsens their personal situation. Think about it, for some, this bill would mean being exposed…which, as we all know, the implications are hefty! It could mean losing their job, their home, and possibly even their family due to the consequences.

    I, for one, seem to be in the minority here…at least for now. The current language of the bill may actually leave everything the same for me (no public listing), which would mean I can continue living a somewhat normal life. For me, this bill would be great, because I’d qualify to apply for removal the year it’s put into effect. With that said, I also know how devastating it would be to have my information listed on the public site and can completely understand why anyone that will be effected by that, would be opposed…and I don’t blame them. It’s one step forward with the tier’s, but a giant step backwards with the consequences attached to it.

    You wrote: “I hope most of you guys are also willing to potentially be inconvenienced to see positive action.”

    As I mentioned above, it’s a heck of a lot more than an inconvenience if you’re talking about someone who is currently not exposed on the website, but will be due to this bill. It’s life changing! What’s sad, however, is that when someone comes along and mentions their opposition due to self seeking reasons such as not wanting to be placed on the website, a few responses have been made (not just this particular thread, but others) expressing a lack of sympathy based on, “if I’m listed publicly, so should you be!” When, all the while, anyone who’s in favor of the bill is also for self seeking reasons with the hope that it eventually grants them an opportunity to be released from being a registrant.

    Any way, I completely understand your reasons for supporting the bill, but think you should stop and try to understand the reasons of those opposing it before making it out like your position is the only right position.

    • Matt

      647.6. Spot on sir. Spot on. The registry is horrible. Nobody can argue that. But there are a lot of people who have managed to hold something that resembles a life together by remaining as far under the radar as they can. If a bill becomes law that makes it worse for the whole group, rather than better, it’s a bad bill. That has been my point all along. All of us will take our own personal consequences into mind. I certainly did. But this is going to make it worse for almost all of us. It needs to be stopped. Right now.

  43. Matthew

    Hey Guys and Gals,

    What we need to do is really come together and assist each other with whatever the final bill states. Let’s share information on different processes (such as expungement/or wobbler cases, CoR, etc). Roads look a lot longer if none of us know where to start. We can gripe and complain or we can voice our opinions and share information that maybe we have come across during different avenues. The bill is the creation of the lawmakers not Janice or Chance.

    I am kind of torn on supporting this bill or not. I only say this because of two aspects that come to mind:

    Reasons to support: It does place us into tiers with possibilities to get off under circumstances.

    Reasons not to support: If a sex offender law is passed, it may kill off any other suggestions. Do we really see lawmakers, if this bill passes, create a new one in the foreseeable future? This would be in place probably for a long time (if not worse). This bill has been attempted previous times just to fail.

    I guess the question is: Do we accept this bill as a bill that will last a long time or do we push for further changes with the possibility it will just go back to how it is and fail.

    My complaint is the static 99 is determining “risk” but yet that “risk” is ignored on other cases. How can they say its very important but then say its not for other cases.

    Again, lets try to create a community in which we can share information to help us all in the process.

  44. Kevin

    What Janice wants, Janice gets. I called today all of them!

    Thank you Janice and the Board!!

  45. mike r

    Roger. um no my position is exactly the opposite of whack a mole. that seems to be yours and ACSOLs position. my suggestions that we focus resources on suits such as that which just prevailed in Pennsylvania would create a decision that would be permanent and would bar any future legislation aimed at the groups who get relief. Tiered registry is just the opposite. There is nothing preventing the legislature from creating a hodgepodge of laws focused on the remainder of people on the registry and even at those few who actually get off the registry. That sure sounds more like whack a mole to me. Why are you pushing his Roger? Why do you keep stating falsehoods such as this is it, no other options are available? I don’t understand why you are so supportive of the tiered system especially in light of the Ohio, Indiana, and now the Pennsylvania decision and all the other decision stating the punitive nature of the registry? I don’t understand how or why you come to the conclusion that this extremely flawed bill, we don’t even know what’s in it for sure yet, is somehow the only avenue we have and our civil rights leaders shouldn’t be pressured to focus resources on suits such as in Pennsylvania. I find such a stance incomprehensible and cannot wrap my head around that type of thinking. Seriously, please enlighten me.

    • Roger

      Mike R, did I say ACSOL would NOT pursue eliminating the registry in court? No. You have seen on this website that ACSOL has done a lot of work in the courts. But top-down court solutions are difficult and expensive to get. And legislators can create new laws that circumvent narrow rulings.

      Do you know attorneys that would volunteer their time in California and other states to help ACSOL file those multi-state challenges? Please have them contact ACSOL.

      The most long-lasting change comes when the public’s perception changes. Then the pressure for new laws lessens. To lessen hysteria, they must see many of us getting of the registry without seeing an increase in offenses. That builds trust. That is human nature. Human nature doesn’t change with court decisions.

      There will never be a fair tiered registry bill that is not smothered in amendments by paranoid, CYA politicians. We have no control over that. But once it becomes law, we CAN work to make it better, just as we have done with other laws.

      And remember that law enforcement will have the power to change the bill once it is law. They say they want less people on the registry. If that doesn’t happen, they will be unhappy and twist political arms to dump the flood of CYA amendments. That will be a sweet thing to see.

      • Matt

        Roger, please explain to me how “law enforcement” has the power to change the bill once it has become law. Really, I want to hear this. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my entire life. And FYI, the 2nd most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my entire life is that the public’s perception will change. I really need an Rx for whatever you’re on. Maybe it would help me calm down. You are absolutely full of it. I don’t think you’re doing this out of malice. I just think you have so much wishful thinking that you can’t see clearly anymore. You want to know about public perception? Take a poll in liberal California. I promise you that better than 2/3 of people would have us all shot in the public square. Get real. You’re slinging absolute nonsense. Law enforcement is supporting this bait and switch because it will make 75% of the people on the registry more dangerous tomorrow than we are today. And that will justify more money for them. Wake up.

        • Roger

          Matt, since you are unaware of who is supporting the bill, read these:

          http://www.dailynews.com/opinion/20170718/bill-offers-needed-reform-for-sex-offender-registry

          http://cal-catholic.com/senate-bill-421-scheduled-for-hearing-tomorrow-would-allow-over-10000-sex-offenders-to-be-removed-from-registry/

          Did you notice the powerful organizations who supports it?
          (1) California Police Chiefs Association (law enforcement!)
          (2) The Assn. of Deputy District Attorneys
          (3) California Sex Offender Management Board, which includes representatives from law enforcement and courts.

          Notice how the CSOMB says that the lifetime registry is “burdensome and ineffective”. They want change.

          Also notice that the Los Angeles District Attorney’s Office says these groups support this bill because “Due to the size of the registry, law enforcement agencies now spend two-thirds of sex offender supervision resources on registration paperwork rather than actually monitoring sex offenders”.

          I am fully aware that none of these associations are our friends. They only support this bill because they want less people on the registry so they can focus on the highest risk offenders.

          But the enemy of my enemy is my friend. If these guys are only concerned with saving time and money by reducing the registry, that is fine with me as long many of us start getting off the registry.

          After the law passes, I’ll gladly let the California Police Chiefs Association and the Assn. of Deputy District Attorneys use their power to clean up all these amendments that prevent all but a few of us off the registry. Nice!

          Matt, are you starting to see the political process now? It’s complex. It’s messy. It’s like watching a baby being born, which is very messy, but the results are worth it.

          Don’t let the process freak you out. Pull back from the process of the birth and focus on the key players and what they want, the general political trends, and the likely end result.

          Matt, let’s both agree to keep our comments civil. When we start yelling about things we are passionate about, it causes disharmony.

          • Ms. D

            As mentioned in past, CASOMB’s vice chair is a man by the name of Tom Tobin. Tobin also happens to be CEO of California’s largest sex offender “treatment” program, Sharper Future, which — not by mere coincidence — also happens to have exclusive contracts with state parole (CDCR). The contract is worth millions.

            Why I mention this is because if you read the tiered bill, there is mention of requirements and/or urging that a “CASOMB certified” program be completed prior to being removed from the registry. Again, not by coincidence, the largest CASOMB certified program in California is Sharper Future.

            This is pure corruption, a conflict of interest, because what we have is a man (Tobin) profiting from a clever scheme as CEO of a *private* corporation — while at the same time in a position of determining *public* policy as CASOMB co chair. Again, corruption in plain site.

            So when you see reference to CASOMB treatment programs being prerequisite to being able to be removed from the registry, that is not a product of honesty; but rather, it is a product of pork being added by those self-interested CASOMB board members (well, actually primarily one) that eggregiously ignore conflict of interest and ethics standards.

            Because when it comes down to it, junk science like the polygraph, Static 99R — and using often unpaid interns to administer “treatment” — is all that differentiates “CASOMB certified treatment” programs from many other more qualified treatment programs.

            Follow the money people.

          • David

            Roger, I think what those groups say they want and what they TRULY want are two very different things. Otherwise, why would they tolerate all these obfuscating and obstructive amendments being added. They must benefit somehow or else they would step in to put a stop to all the amendments.

            • Roger

              David, you are thinking too logically. This is a war of emotions:

              FRUSTRATION by cops who don’t want to spend 2/3 of their registrant staff on paperwork.

              Politicians AFRAID to tell their constituents they agreed to go with law enforcement’s desire when they came to their Capitol office to support the registry.

              Public HYSTERIA at any law that is perceived as soft on sex offenders.

              Solution: legislators need a big CYA because they painted themselves into an hysterical corner, so they want tough amendments to say to their constituents, “See, I’m tough on sex offenders!” Therefore, law enforcement plays the game of allowing any amendments to get it passed.

              When things have cooled down after it passes, law enforcement lobbyists tell certain legislators to file amendments over time to get it close to it originally was.

              Making law is like making sausage: most people don’t want to see the messy way it is made, they just want the end product! 😉

              Remember Occam’s Razor: complex conspiracies like some I see in this forum saying that law enforcement is pushing for a law that doesn’t change the number of people on the registry in a big way (thus violating their goal) takes a whole lot more to believe in than how I explained above.

              There are no guarantees and we have no hidden microphones in their meetings, but we can go by the most likely of scenarios, such as the one I have conjectured.

          • Matt

            Roger, you have it wrong. Law enforcement wants money. That’s it. They will use this to justify getting more money because there are more dangerous people in the world today than there were yesterday. You simply don’t understand, and i am done trying to convince you. I know a lot more about this group of people than you do, and you’re making a very serious mistake in logic. Good luck. You’re going to need it.

            • SB 421

              The LE Full Employment Act of 2017 : SB 421

              (AKA Legislative Cover Your A$s Act)

          • kind of living

            @Roger >>>>I don’t get it man , you really think that the people your talking about in your comment really care about justice ? for GP? , and don’t look at this bill as a major cash cow ?, if you are a real level 3 and I think you are, you need to think about how things will not stay the same in a very negative way , when I lived out in the Midwest where was a tier system “there” in place , on down the road all RC’s had to register every 6 months in the beginning of the registry , and about a year after the registry system went in to affect all level 3’s had to go into register every 3 months , and it was the sheriff that was the one that that did your intake placing you at 3 outside of the guide lines at the time of the tier system is what I was told at first , I knew people that had my very same charge in another countys only had to go in every 6 ,months . when I complained about it I was told the sheriff could do this as he was the one in charge of over seeing registrants , the registry came long after the tier system out there , me not being from there I just wanted to come back to my home state of CA but found out that it was the tier system that changed , that also changed the registry of course ,”from every 6 months To every 3 for level 3’s” there was no warning just a cop come to my house telling me I needed to go and register that day ! tiers can change things for the worse , my point is that yes “maybe” some get relief , but at the same time worse for those that are already suffering , and can become worse , opening that door has a high price for the bulk that in many case’s have light years of clean time , I truly want to see many get off this , but what price must we further pay ? this bill sucks and is much to slow , it will not go into affect till 2021 , if I was building a bike that looked like this bill , I would leave it laying in the trash , the very nature of this bill drags its feet , therefore not showing good faith , so don’t buy motor cycles “ever” from shady people , always dicker over the best project bike to start with , and when the price is to high, know when to back out , because when you build a bike you paid to much for to begin with you will have less money to complete a bike worth riding , in this bill first we over pay for it ,” then dicker .” this bill is not a good starter project at all because it shows no way how to repair many problems , it shows no good faith at all , matter of fact it shows that its ok to punish people long after their time is over as we co sign it ! it started out as one bill trying to sell it , and we buy it then they gut it , that’s like calling someone up and telling the your going to buy their bike , and when you get there you see that they took many of the best parts off and replaced them with junk , that right their is when you know to back out , and might even be thinking bout stomping the bike in the ground right in front of the guy , because he tried to rip you off , you would tell all of your friends to never trust or buy crap from him , its not like its the only junk yard , And heck I don’t care if law enforcement spends so much money on the bloated registry and not able to monitor RC’s ! the reason its so bloated is because they have hammered and push blind fear and hate , as well as pushed for more restrictions , they are lying their a$$’s off , I see cops all the time that know who I am every week sitting in my parking lot talking to fools pointing at my room, they said this registry was to be used as a “Tool” for them to better track all RC’s and protect the pubic , well that’s what they got and the pubic is even more walleyed than they were in the beginning , they just want to pocket more money , trying to say LOOK! WE NEED MORE ! because look at all the danger ? Level 3’s that were newly created by this bill , in the mean time they are racking up a lot of bucks as RC’s are trying to get into court to lower levels , nothing automatic , except for those that have to stay life ! I don’t even see word automatic anywhere in this bill , its a junk scooter built of after market parts so us it as crappy yard art ! and walk away

            • Roger

              In my opinion (and of course EVERYTHING I POST IS MY OWN OPINION, not necessarily ACSOL’s or Janice’s or anyone else’s), there is no way that–for the first time in history–the California Police Chiefs Association and The Assn. of Deputy District Attorneys would waste so much political capital trying to get a bill passed whose original intent is to decrease the number of people on the registry if they intended to let the amendments stay as law and secretly hope the registry keeps growing.

              Bottom line: If they REALLY wanted to have the registry grow forever, all they had to do was to NOT support this bill and it would have died!

              I prefer Occam’s razor (the simplest reason is usually the real reason, not convoluted conspiracy theories.)

              Most of you have not come to the hearings, so you don’t hear them say over and over that the 110,000+ registrants are overloading the system. If they didn’t believe that, they could have stayed home and let the bill die. IT WOULD HAVE DIED without their support, so your conspiracy makes no sense.

              I agree that justice is not foremost in their minds. I agree that money is important to them. And that is why I give a high probability of them fixing the law (if it passes).

              Your arguments are based on anger and paranoia. As a result, you are lost in the trees and can’t see the forest.

              Your alternative of hiding in rabbit holes, hoping the hunter won’t notice us is a victim mentality that leads to depression and fatalism. The hunter WILL reach into our rabbit holes and pull us out by the ears.

              That’s why we must take action. We feel better when we are taking positive action. We feel even better when the action is based on the advice of an expert like Janice.

              There are NO GUARANTEES IN LIFE. We can only go after PROBABILITIES.

              I give Janice’s plan better probability of success than your ideas of hiding and trying to solve everything in court decisions. Yes, court decisions are important, but only part of the solution.

              • AlexO

                I hope you’re right and LE will join Janice in fighting these most recent amendments. Because if this goes into effect as is, it will do nearly nothing to alleviate the bloated registry.

                – The bill no longer automatically drops people with convictions prior to 1987
                – The bill has moved numerous codes to tier 2 and tier 3 (yay, my upskirt crime is now in the same category as serial rapists and full-on child pornography producers!)
                – Those on tier 1 and tier 2 still have to petition to get off

                I’d happily wager that 99% of people will not be aware that this bill went into effect and their options. So between everything I said above, very few people will actually start petitioning to get off and the registry remains as huge as ever.

              • Timmr

                Let us remember that CASOMB stated their tiered propasal was “set in stone”. I don’t think that message was directed at us, but for the politicians they must have known would try to amend the heart out of it. I agree with you, LE will try to get what they originally wanted, by whatever back room dealings available to them.
                As for Janice, she has not been one to sit back and let bad things happen to us. If she takes responsibility for supporting this bill, I am confident she will stand behind those who this law may make life worse for. I don’t think there is much we can do to change this bill at this point. It does provide an opportunity to challenge the registry if passed and more punishment happens. You need a change before a challenge. That is what happened in Michigan.

                • AlexO

                  I trust in Janice and her people as well. Mine and I’m sure most other peoples frustration is not with her but at the law makers who worry more about their public perception than actually doing what is right for not just RC’s but the community as a whole. It’s especially frustrating that they continue to do so in face of overwhelming evidence that the system is actually doing the exact opposite of its intent in addition to costing the tax payers a ton of money.

                  • Timmr

                    The politicians don’t surprise me. Never underestimate a group entrenched in their own dogma and failing to see common sense. I have seen this before. A different cause, but the same entrenced opposition. But things progressed somehow, despite the opposition being very loud. The effort wasn’t a complete waste. I was more involved then. Now I am sitting back and waiting for the next move to be given.

              • kind of living

                @Roger ,,,, I have “never” “ever” said any thing about hiding matter of fact I have always pushed for communes , or anyway we can pull together and help each other and train on the right ways to protest , as well as offer some safety for our family bringing our numbers up and able us to get off the bench so we are a much bigger part of this game we are forced into , rather than letting the umpires do all the fighting in lying a$$ courts / LEO’s , and what do you mean paranoia ? how many times do people have to be kicked in the teeth before its ok to say courts /Leo’s hate us and are up to no good ???? we need to be able to take this fight to the streets like in the freedom movement , I will tell you something else your not talking to a rabbit , your talking to a real person , that has seen from the outside as well as the inside , I got your trees dude and you need to recognize I have pushed for along time for ways that would help all RC’s in need as well ways to profit so more money would be available to go in to the court end of the deal , but in the mean time we sit on the bench , we all don’t live in LA and able to see the court action , we need to be on all fronts of this fight , and stop letting these chicken crap protests sway court decisions unchecked making it so easy for them , showing there are people that are real with voices , a great investment for anyone that would back something like this so people and there family can all work together ! you dang sure don’t know me ! your not going to step on me like some stink bug , spewing bull crap , acting like I am lame , don’t be a fool don’t ever disrespect me , I just wont waste time talking to you Roger I will just talk to someone else your becoming a negative in my circle , and there is enough of that right out side my door , I am looking for options to help us all “now” , not on my death bed!

                • Timmr

                  Kind of living, hope we can stop arguing and start that community you and I are talking about. I don’t know the first thing about how to do that, but I think it is really needed with legislation and with court cases and with education. Maybe not a physical commune, but at least a virtual enterprise where registrants can help enrich each other, provide security and do teach ins for activism, organize protests that people can actually afford to attend. Ideals are great, but if we don’t have some extra money after food, clothing , transportation and housing, how can we afford to hire attorneys, take out ads, travel to meetings and the other things to make change? Some can do that surely, but it is not enough. The oppositions has unlimited resources. We need to even the scales a little. Look at history, resistance movements can be defeated by starving the troops. We are being starved, separately, one by one for want of a common secure island to defend, but we can all say as consolation, we went down as rugged individuals each in our own little boat fighting the sea.

  46. USA

    Wow, everyone has very good points! My concern is why would they wait until 2021 to introduce this bill? Or, why would the bill take so long to go into affect? This is strange!

    • AlexO

      I guessed on this above. I think the few people know the bill is bad so they’re putting it off a ways to try and make more positive changes after its signed into law. But this is a pure guess and I have nothing to back it up. It’s the only thing that makes sense to me, at the moment.

      • Matt

        Wrong. They are clumping us all into one or two categories in order to get more money to “monitor” all of these incredibly dangerous people. (who were not dangerous yesterday.) Bait and switch scam. Stop looking for the silver lining. This is the end of the road.

    • David

      USA, it is not strange at all.
      They have set the Bill to go into effect in 2021 because, by that time, all of them will have moved on so they won’t have to worry about any fallout or repercussions that may occur as a result of the bill. I really can’t imagine any other reason to set the Bill’s effective date so far into the future.

      • David

        Of course, it will also give them four years in which to repeal the law if they get attacked by constituents or opponents for being soft on sex offenders.

  47. Lake County

    Since this new Bill may jump me up to tier III, does tier III require me to register more than once per year?
    (I do not have a static 99 score. Jail time, not prison. An evaluation from a psychiatrist picked by the judge said I was low risk).

    • AlexO

      I’m in a very similar boat and have the same question. Looking at the current bill there’s no mention how often people will need to register. The general default law is everyone registers annually or when moving. Transients register monthly. And those deemed by the court to be “Sexually violent predators” have to register every 90 days.

      From Megan’s Law site: “Sexually violent predators in California must update their information every 90 days. A “sexually violent predator” is an individual who has been convicted of a violent sexual offense and who has a diagnosed mental disorder rendering him/her a threat to the community.”

      So it looks like tier 3 people will continue doing the annual registration as being tier 3 is not the same thing as being SVP.

    • Matthew

      If you don’t mind me asking what were the charges?

    • Matt

      Lake, Probably not. At least not right away; unless you’re homeless, then yes. But what you will see within a year or so is frequent visits at your home and place of employment. Because after all, you’re one of those super-dangerous Tier 3 offenders who must be closely “monitored” for the sake of the kids and all. If you own a home, it’s time to start budgeting for a 10′ cyclone fence with razor wire and CCTV covering every square inch of the perimeter of your property. Don’t forget the signage. Signage is important.

      • Lake County

        own a home, check
        cyclone fence, check
        CCTV, check

        And I’m not worried about the visits, they can’t knock on my door with my fence in the way.
        But since I’m not a SVP, I guess nothing will actually change for me.

        • Tier 3 people typically are every 90 days

          Double check that and don’t assume, but usually Tier 3 people are every 90 days and don’t have to be classified as SVPs. That would be inline with AWA/SORNA and fed money…

          • AlexO

            California isn’t SORNA compliant. Only 16 or states are. With the amount of people that’ll be placed into tier 3 and the fact that the bill no longer drops the tens of thousands of convictions prior to 1987, making all tier 3 people register quarterly would make it far more work for the police instead less as intended by this bill.

        • C

          By Cyclone I assume you mean chain link. Way to class up the neighborhood.
          If your neighbors ever give you a hard time it’s because of the fence, not your 290 status. 🙂
          I won’t put up a physical barrier, but I do have a two way camera system purchased just to know when The Man showed up to verify residency for my Price Club membership.
          They actually showed up on a Saturday morning when I wasn’t home. The weekend visit was a first in 23 years.

    • Nondescript

      This bill currently does not amend the section of the penal code that spells out the frequency of in person updates- section 290.012. [Beginning on his or her first birthday following registration or change of address, the person shall be required to register annually, within five working days of his or her birthday, to update his or her registration.]

      For now, they have left that section alone, so presumably will still be annually for everyone regardless of tier.

      • David

        I’m surprised these a-hole lawmakers haven’t added an amendment that “All those remaining on the Registry must place a notification sign in their front yard or on their front door”. (I’d better be careful not to give them any ideas!!)

  48. ReadyToFight

    I have to agree with Mike R and the others on here that feel this Bill sounds and feels like total BS.
    I never really bought into it because the Registry needs to Die. We need real Soldiers on the ground pushing for change.
    I’ve sent letters and donated to support Janice’s approach and to support those of us with family that long for a normal life where we can provide for our loved ones.
    Changing public opinion is one thing, but I’m not willing to wait that crap out. 4 yrs before this bill would even take effect plus all the years after that still trying to prove ourselves to the general public? Nah! We’ve paid our debt to society and Then Some!
    Besides, all’s it takes is one Bad Apple to ruin the whole bunch. That’s why they put us in the same boat.
    The Tiered Registry goes into affect and all it will take is one single person to stray from the path of reform and they will blast Sex Offender Strikes Again all over the News and this crap will Never End. We’re supposed to be fighting for Constitutional Reform aren’t we? (Shrug)

    • Matt

      Ready to fight, Janice has (had) the right approach. Unfortunately, she’s dealing with the wrong people. This was a bait and switch. We got gut-punched. This will make it worse for almost everybody.

      • Matthew

        People tend to allow themselves to be tricked or gullible to any bit of information that is good for them. Everyone that is shouting out that this is the best thing ever really needs to read the amended version a lot clearer. This is not the same bill we all got excited about. Plus, it can still be amended even more prior to the assembly vote in September. Of course, this bill will pass. It does not change much from the current form. This is to a wolf (fake) attempt to say “We did something good for the public by ensuring we are only listing those that are a risk.” It however, is just putting us all under the same umbrella as before but an updated version.
        What confuses me is that 3rd party websites publish the same information as Megans Law. The people just googling a name can bring up information that were not looking for. That can be an a future employer, landlord etc that are basing their decision on what they found on a 3rd party website which is against the law. They however can say they just performed a background check. The law clearly states it can’t be used as basis of employment, etc.

        All in all this is not a good bill for anyone. All the excuses of saving money will not be since they will have a hard time with reductions and expungements this will bring.

        • JoeBloaffected1985death

          Again Matthew…u r correct
          Messed up for the folks that will NEVER get rehabilitation. Never

      • JoeBloaffected1985death

        You got it! Matt. Bait & Switch was right!! We were misled and tricked.
        Lies and removal and more human rights and constitution rights removed. They ARE FOR continual never ending continual punishment. So right Matt.

  49. mike r

    All I am saying Roger is that your and ACSOLs solution is not the only one and please don’t disparage others who have different approaches by stating that no court case is going to change the registry. That is not true….That’s all I am saying……The Pennsylvanian decision is going to have a much greater impact on those in that state then any tiered bill could ever come close to achieving..That is exactly how court decisions can have dramatic effects and there is no way for the legislature to reverse those orders and subject those that get relief to registration EVER again…….

  50. JAB

    I have read the amended bill. So are 288 (a) with 1 conviction a tier 2. If anyone reads this differently can you please point out where it says this would be a tier 3? I really appreciate it.

    • Matthew

      How I read it, to be honest, is a Tier 2 unless there was something connected to it

  51. AlexO

    This is my frustrated rant that I just need to get down on the page and out there. It’s not directed at anyone here.

    This bill was originally sold as most people would fall into tier 1. Tier 2 was going have people who had enhancement for priors and violence. And tier 3 was going to have all the actually dangerous people with multiple offences and very severe crimes (I’m aware of the previous and still current prevision of the damn Static-99 solely placing people into tier 3 as well).

    Now seemingly the only people in tier 1 will be those with a single misdemeanor 647.6a and misdemeanor 311.11. Everything else looks like it was shuffled off into tier 2 or even tier 3.

    How is my non-contact crime of 311.4 (I upskirted a minor) and 647.6a misdemeanor, for which I was given standard probation, weekends to do my time, received very positive evaluations from psychiatrists, and low re-offence scores on all but the BS Static-99 (I got a 4), place me into the same tier as the person who actually raped multiple children and created and distributed CP?

    I own what I did. I had over 4 years of out-of-pocket counseling and am continuing with the program on a volunteer bases and not for a moment denied what I did or try and pass it off as no big deal while all the while seeing numerous people in the program who somehow got away without having to register despite the fact that they actually physically molested their victims, even sleeping with them in some cases. Hell, I’ve even seen people continue to deny that what they did wasn’t a big deal all the way through the program. But I’m the one that’s now being thrown in the lions den?

    These amendments are just ludicrous and seemingly don’t take into account anything other than your penal codes.

    I’m curious how many law suits this bill will bring should it go through as is by people in the same situation as me? I hope its a lot. And I hope all those law suits are brought up in the 3 year window this bill is giving to hopefully make positive changes before it goes into effect.

    I apologize for the rant. I’m not in a good place. The last 24 hours or so have been immensely stressful.

    • Lake County

      I can’t see how a 311.4 can be the same tier as someone that actually molested a child. None of this makes any sense to me.

    • Matthew

      what was the subsection of the 311.4? B, C, and D are automatic tier 3 it appears

      • AlexO

        Mine is 311.4a. These amendments seem to make it all inclusive. It was for upskirting my victim.

        I’m curious why you say b, c, and d are in T3? Do you mean in general or this bill?

        • Nondescript

          @AlexO

          Tier 3 –
          [The person was convicted of violating subdivision (b), (c), or (d) of Section 311.2, Section 311.3, 311.4, or 311.10]

          The ” OR” means it pertains to subdivision b, c or d of those penal codes. If you read tier 2, you will see how they word the inclusive codes. They don’t list codes one after the other spaced by OR this, OR that.

          311.4a is a misdemeanor. 311.4 (b) ( c) and (d) are prosecuted as felonies.
          The way I read it is that 311.4a is tier 1 because it is not specifically listed in tier 2.

          • AlexO

            I thought that at first as well but 311.3 and 311.10 do not have b, c, or d (they actually do but those points talk about how everything above doesn’t pertain to officers in line of duty, or offer a definition of the preceding statue).

            Also, 311.2a is the only point in the entire 311 section that isn’t minor specific. It’s only about obscene material. Everything else specifically deals with minors.

            And notice how “section” is repeated twice. Once for the first PC and then again for the three other PCs, grouping them together as a whole and all inclusive.

            I really hope you’re right and I’m wrong though.

    • @AlexO

      You’re right it doesn’t make sense and it’s not fair. Did you know many contact offenses are still Tier 1. For example, any 261.5s (Stat rape) and 288a(b)s, Oral sex with a 17, 16, 15 or 14 year old minor! Some 286’s as well. Tier 1 No web disclosure; Tier 3 Disclosure with full address!

      This bill is 100% politics as you would expect from an LE sponsored bill and weak legislators.

      Further this really starts in 2023! SB421 says ‘2021’ but the DOJ can add “24 months” if a tier can not be immediately determined: ie no STATIC 99 or incomplete records or the DOJ hasn’t got around to it.

      Registrants supporting or not supporting will make 0% difference.

  52. American Detained in America

    I’m more than just a little concerned…when ACSOL says they aren’t attending and recommend we do the same without saying why, to me that’s huge flashing yellow light saying danger…am I the only one seeing that?

    • Roger

      As I already said above, some reasons are:
      (1) The committee doesn’t allow public comments
      (2) The committee meeting is transmitted live on the internet
      (3) There is a lack of networking with other ACSOL members for this event

      If you want to go to a meeting where you aren’t allowed to talk, that you could view at home, and do it alone, you are of course free to go.

      Please read my posts above for more details.

    • C

      Really? Did you read any of the other 190+ posts, many of which explain this?

  53. Lake County - SB421 Analysis Response

    I just received a response from the analyst of SB 421, this is what he said:

    “My apologies, you are correct, the automatic termination provision for pre-1987 offenses was, in fact, deleted from the August 21, 2017, version of the bill.

    I have revised my analysis on the Web.

    Thank you,
    Pedro Reyes

    • Lake County - SB421 Analysis Response

      After checking, he did not revise his analysis, he only deleted it from the internet. I can only assume he’ll put it back later. Maybe I should also have him put in his analysis that many lower tiers will now be put into tier III?

      • AlexO

        I would think people being shifted to t2 and t3 would be very relevant to the goals stated. This is driving them farther away.

      • Lake County

        I looked again and his corrected analysis is there.

  54. Friendly Advice

    Hi AlexO,

    Just wanted to say hang in there. I’ve appreciated your posts – good, bad, or indifferent – doesn’t really matter. You’ve helped a lot of people on this forum. You’ve consistently helped to explain what most of us have had a hard time understanding with all of these changes in the bill and current law. What resounds most in your posts is the very essence of what all of us who have to register experience. The constant roller coaster ride of ups and downs, periods of hope, and then periods of utter devastation. Not to mention the yearly reminder every time we have to update. The thought of all of this is very unsettling to say the least. Don’t give up. None of us know what this will all pan out to actually be. We all have unique circumstances that may make our personal situations better or worse. If I could buy you a drink (or two) I would. Hang in there.

  55. bill

    If I have a felony 311.11a that was in 2011, would that still make me tier 1? I thought only those 311 charges AFTER 2014 are NOT eligible to be in tier 1.

    • AlexO

      I believe you’re confusing it with expungement. In 2014 they moved 311.11 to the no-expungment list. Convictions prior to that are still eligible. If you were granted probation, go and get it expunged and reduced to a misdemeanor via 17b.

      According to these new amendments, only felony 311.11 are T2. Misdemeanors fall into T1.

      • ValueGirl

        So if 311.11 is the California equivalent to Federal (2252A(a)(5)(B) {and the plea deal included lifetime supervised release which we are trying to get released from} it sounds like your saying we could still try to get it expunged? Offense date was in 2006. I’m confused.

        • AlexO

          Ugh. I just typed up a whole thing on how to get it done but then checked and it looks like Federal level convictions are not eligible for California expungement. I’d consult a lawyer anyway as almost nothing is really written in stone if it can be argued well. Janice and others constantly fight these set-in-stone rules that sometimes end up getting overturned (it’s really what the whole battle about the registry is about).

          Sorry I couldn’t provide you with better news 🙁

    • Matthew

      You would be in Tier 2. However, you can try to get it reduced to a misdemeanor and you will fall under tier 1 (I believe) and would drop off after 10 years after release. The amended version states all felony 311.11 would be in tier 2.

      • AlexO

        An important correction: This bill does not drop anyone off. It only allows you to petition to get off. How easy that’ll be is still to be determined. It could be almost automatic like an expungement, or a hardcore roller-coaster like the CoR.

        • Relief Is 2023!

          @AlexO. A post-conviction specialist attorney thinks SB 421 relief will be somewhat easier, but similar to a COR. After all, many judges hate granting a mandated Cal 1203.4 even when it doesn’t grant relief!

          I imagine the Public Urinator from the 1970s will be granted relief..

          But the number of Registrants will continue to increase so maybe granting relief will be unavoidable. Hopefully.

          • AlexO

            Yup. I imagine it’ll fall somewhere in between. But the important is that everyone actually has to actively file for it. Given that the vast majority of people are not up to date on all the latest rules and laws, that’s going to mean a ton of people will remain on the registry simply because they’re not aware of their options. There’s a staggering number of people not filing for expungment even though they’re eligible, it’s simple, and all but automatic, simply because no one really explained the options to them. And this is for a law that’s been in place for decades and known to be available at the time of conviction (lawyers are terrible at explaining all the options, even if you do pay them an arm and a leg).

  56. drifter

    If I read correctly, I would fall under tier 1 if I was convicted of misdemeanor 243.4 (e)(1) sexual battery(subdivision (c). This is not the sexual battery with restraint. Can someone confirm.

    (1) (A) A tier one offender is subject to registration for a minimum of 10 years. A person is a tier one offender if the person is required to register for conviction of a misdemeanor described in subdivision (c), or for conviction of a felony described in subdivision (c) that was not a serious or violent felony as described in subdivision (c) of Section 667.5 or subdivision (c) of Section 1192.7.

  57. j

    2021? here’s a thought, why do we need to wait an additional 4 years to pass?? why wouldn’t it be made to law in 2018? if individuals have passed the 10 years *or* 20 years than petition to get off registration the beginning of 2018, its been 70 loooooong years *enough* already

    • Relief Is 2023!

      “Tier-to-be-Determined:” For those who think you are in Tiers 1 or 2 but have no STATIC 99 (most on the registry for ~12+ yrs), the DOJ will put you in the “Tier to be Determined” for up to 2 more years : 2023.

      Any missing info will also “allow” the DOJ this Tier tactic. You can bet this Tier-to-be-Determined will be posted.

      So really, Petitioning for relief is a minimum 6 YEARS away for most registrants with enough years already to qualify. And then the courts will be bogged down.

      Sorry to say, at least as I read it. Others?

      • Matthew

        Sounds about right.

      • JAB

        Relief 2023,

        What happens by pushing you up to 2023 and that’s your 30th year? Will you be automatically taken off or do you have to go to the courts?

        • Lake County

          No one is going to be dropped automatically no matter how many years have passed.

        • AlexO

          Not as of the current bill. They removed that provision entirely. So once it goes into effect it will not be dropping anyone off automatically.

        • Relief Is 2023!

          @JAB No more 30 year relief. Now EVERYONE has to petition for relief ($$) after the DOJ weighs in by Tier.

          110,000 RCs now. ~ 5K a year added. So ~125K in 2021. Maybe 10K in built-up relief petitions in ~2023. About 2K a year after that will qualify. The numbers of registrants will NOT go down from here.

          As currently written and proposed.

    • AlexO

      It can’t go into effect that quickly because 3 months isn’t nearly enough time to convert the entire system and classify everyone. Originally the bill was going to go into effect in 2019 but they added 2 more years in the current amendments due to the much heavier changes. They all the extra time to classify people, set up a new database, and bring all the courts and paperwork up to speed. The have to prepare as much as possible because the first few years could potentially see tens of thousands of people hitting the already overwhelmed court system with petitions.

    • Timmr

      Why wait 70 years? Why does an aerophobe postpone getting on a plane for another 4 years? Hoping it won’t ever happen. Aerophobe also means someone afraid of fresh air. We need fresh air in government. That is the real problem.

  58. Matthew

    Hey all, it looks like Sb 421 will be heard today about 30 bills in. I will try to update the status once it gets closer.

    • Matthew

      Whoever said the public doesn’t show up to assembly appropriations is not telling the truth. I am watching live on tv and they are doing the same thing with members of the community stating they support for other bills.

  59. Lake County

    I’m watching the hearing and so far they are taking public feedback on all the Bills they have considered so far. A large number of people are giving opinions on the Bills so far.

  60. Matthew

    There are not enough members present currently to vote on any of these bills? I guess 6 figures salary is not enough to do their job.

  61. Matthew

    Enough assembly members have shown up.

    • Matthew

      Looks like this bill was moved to suspense file due to not having accurate numbers on how much it would cost. Suspense file is known as a place where bills go to die.

      • AlexO

        Oh gee, what a surprise that the numbers weren’t accurate. Might have something to do with the fact that 40k people wouldn’t be automatically dropped as previously stated which means that 40k people that the courts must now actively dedicate time to in addition to everyone else. As well as now having to actually classify those 40k into tiers along with everyone else. AND the fact that they moved a ton of people into tier 2 and tier 3 which results in further cost increases.

        I pretty much expected this to happen with all these major revisions and the very poorly written analysis.

      • Curiouser

        Here, kids. Let’s edge-a-kate ourselves….
        http://sapro.senate.ca.gov/sites/sapro.senate.ca.gov/files/committeerules2013-14.doc

        opening paragraph:
        The committee, by a majority of the members present and voting, shall refer to the Suspense File all bills that would have a fiscal impact in any single fiscal year from the General Fund (including general obligation bond funds) or from private funds of $50,000 or more.

        Note the word, “shall.”

        Let’s not lose our collective minds just yet…we can always do that tomorrow.

        • Matthew

          This bill must be voted by the Assembly by Sept 15 at the latest. If not, it will be considered dead. I think people are ignoring that part. If this bill was introduced earlier, I think it would be very possible to pass. I am just worried about the latest in the year.

          With that being said, why is it that people are commenting on here that the Appropriations Committee does not listen to public opinion at these hearings? There were many people present. If you do not know, do not just make up stuff. My guess is that is was known that this bill would be or possibly put in the suspense file that it is why it was recommend not to attend (would of been a waste). People sharing false information that they will not listen just shows people will say anything and assume anything.

  62. TG

    Is anyone actually at the meeting today?

  63. David

    I am listening to the hearing right now. They are, indeed, hearing from Bill’s supporters and opponents. (However, this portion of the hearing seems to be addressing only Bills remaining or being placed in “suspense”.)

    • Matthew

      Sb421 was placed in suspense file. I think we are running out of time and this bill is about to die.

  64. Matthew

    SB 421- Has been moved to the suspense file.

    • AlexO

      So does that mean its fully dead or it can be moved out? Any reason stated for moving it there? I imagine the most recent amendments make it far less cost effective as it actually increases the amount of work needed to maintain the registry rather then decreasing as originally intended.

      • Matthew

        It can be moved out, but if I remember right, this bill had to be in Assembly by September 15th. I am not sure how they will be able to unsuspend it and vote on it in 3 weeks with the information that is being asked (financial).
        What is crazy is the person who Senator Weiner was working on this with, blasted even the amended version.

        Erin Runnion
        July 11 · Locke ·
        Sadly, SB 421 passed the State Assembly public safety committee today. They did say that they want me to work with the bill’s authors to suggest amendments. As it stands, if enacted 55,000 offenders will be immediately eligible to be permanently erased from both the Megan’s Law public registry as well as the one used by law enforcement to ensure compliance. It will cost $86million in the first five years alone just to process all of the applications for removal. That doesn’t count the cost to local agencies who first review the apps. Victims will have no idea where their perpetrators are and the public will have no way of knowing if they’re new friend is a sex offender. Contact your representatives, please! #BeBRAVE advocates

        • AlexO

          I’m guessing we probably have this person to thank for these most recent amendments?

          • Matthew

            Yes. There were posts that she posted after the amended version as well

  65. Ted

    I have a 289A “in concert”. I went to a party with my girlfriend when I was 18. My friend called me upstairs and there was a drunk naked adult woman on the floor playing with herself while about 10 people (men and women) watched. She was an adult. I didn’t have sex or participate, but I was on video in the room laughing because it was a spectacle. Anyway, I didn’t have money for an attorney and just took a plea deal because they said I would just have to register once and be done with it. I am now 55, so 37 years later. I am not really sure where I fall into this classification. Where I live now they call me a “Level 0” because my convicted crime doesn’t fall into a sex crime in the state I live in.

    Anyway, I don’t know what a 207 or 187 section is or what that means in the above. I just know I didn’t have sex with anyone and if my friend didn’t tell me there was something upstairs I had to see I would never have become a SO.

  66. TG

    SB 421 still has a chance.

    We have seen bills released from suspense very recently.

    Lets not give up hope.

    Maybe Janice can chime in on this?

  67. Curiouser

    Here, kids. Let’s edge-a-kate ourselves….
    http://sapro.senate.ca.gov/sites/sapro.senate.ca.gov/files/committeerules2013-14.doc

    opening paragraph:
    The committee, by a majority of the members present and voting, shall refer to the Suspense File all bills that would have a fiscal impact in any single fiscal year from the General Fund (including general obligation bond funds) or from private funds of $50,000 or more.

    Note the word, “shall.”

    Let’s not lose our collective minds just yet…we can always do that tomorrow.

    • Matthew

      The bill has a deadline of sept 15th… Its more worry about if there is enough time. If it is not passed in the assembly by sept 15th, its dead. So continue to educate further.

  68. AlexO

    Well, I don’t think anyone should be surprised that this version of the bill is all but dead right now. These last set of amendments completely sent it off the rails from its intent.

    I obviously do not have any actual facts to back up my following statement, but simple logic would state the following would actually increase the work load and cost for the system.

    – Removing the provision to automatically drop tens of thousands with convictions prior to 1987 is a huge cost increase. Without the auto drop, that means that potentially that many people would clog up the courts with petitions harder than Cousin It’s bathtub drain. Add several thousands more that would also qualify under tier 1 and tier 2, and it’s just unworkable (the courts as they are can’t handle the load).

    – Moving so many more people into tier 2 and tier 3 who were previously tier 1 and tier 2 means long term costs and work would not be reduced by nearly the amount previously envisioned.

    – And with combination of not dropping people automatically with old convictions, nor allowing auto drops with people who’ve reach their term threshold, and (I’m assuming) with no official notification to all of RC’s that these new options are available, the registry would remain largely unchanged in size and continue to grow.

    Whether on purpose or through hubris, the legislation has greatly failed everyone. And no, victim rights advocates, this was in no way a win for you. This just means that hundreds of thousands of people, including children, will continue to be very negatively impacted by the registry when their families continue having issues finding stable housing and employment.

    Hopefully this ship can be corrected. Or maybe let it sink to the bottom and start building a new one.

    • Relief Is 2023

      @AlexO However, at annual updates, the item where Registrants have to initial “Registration is a life time requirement” will need to be modified and any RCs that out of touch would then become aware.

      Btw, the pre-’87s that met the original auto-relief qualifications is ~5,000 to 10,000 max. But yes, you are very likely correct; No significant drop in the numbers of registrants below ~100K and so no longer cost effective.

      • AlexO

        Don’t discount people not taking advantage due to not having money to hire an attorney. Some of us may be able navigate the system alone with research, but for most that would be about as easy as building a car from scratch. Not having automatic drop off after X years like other states have is going to be a huge burden on most. Remember: a whole lot of RC’s are homeless and have very little money due to poor employment options because of the registry. This will certainly be a huge burden for the majority and counter productive to the original bills intent.

        • New Person

          What if the point of not automatically dropping was due to wanting more money from RC’s as well as giving the DA’s more power over those petitions?

          Plus, it does create a construct of unequal protections upon the same banner: Why can 10,000 registrants be automatically signed off the registry while the other 100,000 do not?

          Probably runs into problems with the Cal. Constitution, Art 1., Sec 7(b):
          =================
          (b) A citizen or class of citizens may not be granted privileges or immunities not granted on the same terms to all citizens. Privileges or immunities granted by the Legislature may be altered or revoked.[1]
          =================

          Here, you can quickly identify that the immunity isn’t being granted upon the same terms. Although, I truly doubt the lawmakers actually know about this statute in the Ca Constitution b/c 1203.4 isn’t applied equally to those who qualify for it.

          • AlexO

            Right. They are already ignoring that clause under the guise of “regulatory” rules. Them auto dropping those people would create a few bad feelings (though most wouldn’t even know given how the information is disseminated, or, more accurately, isn’t) but it wouldn’t be out of line with how the registry already works. Them suddenly being concerned about equality of justice would certainly be a surprise.

      • Lake County

        To Relief Is 2023,

        Registration is still a lifetime requirement under SB 421, however it gives you the option to petition to get removed similar to a COR that is available now. I see no need for them to update their registration form. I’m sure if this was to pass we may not see any official notice directly from DOJ, except it will probably be mentioned on the ML website like other policies and forms they post now. However I imagine some of the nicer registration officers might advise us during our annual of any new option for removal. I wouldn’t ask any of the officers about who will qualify as I doubt any of them will be able to decipher this mess any better than the rest of us.

  69. Matthew

    From: http://assembly.ca.gov/legislativedeadlines

    September Deadlines
    Sept. 1 Last day for fiscal committees to meet and report bills to the Floor (J.R. 61(a)(12)).
    Sept. 4 Labor Day.
    Sept. 5-15 Floor session only. No committee may meet for any purpose (J.R. 61(a)(13)).
    Sept. 8 Last day to amend on the Floor (J.R. 61(a)(14)).
    Sept. 15 Last day for any bill to be passed (J.R. 61(a)(15)). Interim Recess begins on adjournment (J.R. 51(a)(4))

  70. TG

    The appropriations committee still has a Aug. 30 meeting.

    They could take 421 out of suspense then, right?

  71. David

    All their petty amendments made the Bill unworkable and, apparently, incalculable.

  72. Friendly Advice

    After today’s news, is it ironic that the emotional support meeting is scheduled for 8/26?

  73. Matthew

    If I am seeing this right, the committee only gets together once a week, every Wednesday, at least according to their calendar on the website. That means in order for assembly to hear it, it would have to be released and approved asap. How soon does the assembly hear a bill once the committee has passed it?

  74. Pamela

    Hi all –
    No our bill is not dead. Really.
    This is what happened today – As others have already noted, in the assembly appropriations committee every bill with a fiscal impact to California’s budget over a certain amount of money was AUTOMATICALLY moved to the suspense file. Today’s committee meeting WAS NOT a pass or do not pass vote on any fiscal impact bills. ALL the fiscal impact bills in the suspense file will be voted pass/do not pass FOR THE FIRST TIME by the assembly appropriations committee on September 1st.
    This process is unique to the assembly; it is distinctly different than in the senate appropriations committee.
    Even though our bill was not voted on today, showing our support with phone calls and letters was still vital. We must take EVERY SINGLE opportunity to let our representatives and the committee members know that we are watching and that we (the public) support this bill.

    • TG

      Thank you, Pamela.

    • AlexO

      Thank you, Pamela.

      Could the bill be further amended before the rescheduled vote, and then again at each step after?

    • Matthew

      Not worried about it being suspended. More worried about the Sept 15th deadline. Especially when the next committee meeting is the 30th of August

    • David

      Thank you for the clarification, Pamela. (That delay will give lawmakers an opportunity to remove some of their absurd, obstructive amendments. Not likely, huh?)

  75. Bill

    It’s not over till the large rotund lady sings, right?

    • Matt

      This bill is bad for almost every person who is registered. I cannot believe anybody would still endorse this when 2/3 or more would wind up in a worse position than they’re in now? Read the bill people! It’s a bait and switch. It moves almost everybody to a 2 or 3. It makes people more dangerous tomorrow than they are today. And to have a “chance” at getting off sometime down the road? Absurd. This bill needs to stay exactly where it is. If it comes out of suspense, and passes, law enforcement will use it to justify bloating their budgets and making life more miserable for everyone. The intent of the bill originally was good. What it has become is a complete wreck. Let it die.

  76. Pamela

    Hi Matthew, David, TG, AlexO and all –
    Right now our bill is neither late nor is it running out of time. It’s actually right on time. These are the next steps:
    1. The Assembly Appropriations Committee will have one more meeting on August 30th. This meeting will be much like today’s meeting as there are still outstanding bills that need to be either moved to the assembly suspense file (fiscal bills) or get a pass/no pass vote (non-fiscal bills).
    2. On September 1st, all the fiscal bills will be considered by the Appropriations Committee. This meeting is not open to the public. At this meeting all the fiscal bills will get a pass or no pass vote.
    3. If passed out of appropriations the bill will then move to the Assembly Floor for what is called a “Third Reading.” Senator Weiner will explain the bill and the Assembly Members will then discuss the bill. A vote will be taken.
    4. Because the Assembly has amended the bill, if the floor vote by the Assembly is “yes” SB 421 will have to go back to the Senate. The Senate might agree with the Assembly’s amendments, this is called concurrence. HOWEVER, the Senate might not agree with the Assembly version. If this happens the bill is referred to a conference committee made up of 3 members from the senate and 3 members from the assembly. If the conference committee can reach a compromise, the bill will go back to both houses for a final vote.
    5. If the bill is subsequently passed by both houses it will go to the Governor for signature. Governor Brown has three choices (1) sign the bill into law, (2) allow it to become law without his signature, or (3) veto it.

    • AlexO

      Thank you very much for the explanation of the process. I’d be a lot more fascinated by it if it didn’t impact our lives so greatly. It’s hard keeping calm on this roller coaster when we don’t know if swoop down will be a bed of pillows or jagged glass.

  77. Pamela

    I have seen bills amended by the Assembly accepted in total by the Senate but I have also seen all the Assembly Amendments removed from a bill and then the bill returned to both houses by the compromise committee exactly as it was first proposed by the Senate. This really does happen.

    Sometimes amendments really are just political which means even the person demanding the amendment doesn’t actually think the end bill will include the proposed changes (“Constituents I did my best and tried very hard to amend the bill so everyone on the registry would have to live at the police station for the rest of their life but gosh darn it the Senate just would not accept my recommendation!”). Sometimes a bill’s author agrees to amendments in order to get the bill through the Assembly (or through the Senate) knowing the compromise committee will throw it out. This is the political process, it is what it is.

    Bottom line – we don’t know what the final bill will look like yet and we won’t know until it is either accepted by the Senate with Assembly amendments or returned by the compromise committee with changes. At this point we can agree as amended by the Assembly, SB 421 is very different than the original Senate bill. People can decided the bill is now “bad” but we just don’t know what the bill will look like at the end of this process.

    This is why it is important to keep the bill alive and hope it gets out of the appropriations committee.

    • Matthew

      Hey Pamela,

      Thank you for your remarks and making sense of it all. I am glad you are here and assisting with the language and process. So it would be wise or possible to make contact with the senators and ask for them to reject the changes based on how much money it will take and the time consumption for this process and should go back to its original plan? ;). We could even state it will not clear up registry and focus on those of risk to reoffend? Who is with me..hah

      • AlexO

        That’s a great question. If appropriate, I would love to write in for the bill but against these new amendments. I could even use myself as an example. Again, only if that would be appropriate.

    • Matt

      So what you’re saying is that we should roll the dice and see if we get something worse than what we have now. Sounds great. No thanks.

  78. TG

    There is a lot of speculation about everything that is happening. But no word from Janice. I am hoping she has the time to give her thoughts on the latest developments.

  79. Matthew

    I wish there was a live chat during certain times so that way we can communicate. While I know having an administrator monitor posts, it would be easier to be able to talk live and help each other out instead of keep checking if you can assist or look for answers constantly

    • Anna

      Matthew,

      You seem astute to the goings-on here, as do a lot of other people. So my message is to everyone here. =)

      What do you think is the best way for us underlings to help get this passed at the next level? ACSOL is expertly doing its job at high levels, thankfully… which is why we’re here talking.

      So there MUST be a way for us commentators to help keep this bill alive. The thing is, most ordinary folk don’t take notice to the plights of people under this particular “offense” rule. So getting regular citizens to support it, or to call in or write their assembly member (which is necessary)… just doesn’t have a huge turnout.

      How else can we make this happen?

      My background is in video and social media, and I have a vested interest in getting this important bill passed (my brother is suffering unduly from the effects of it). I offer up my services free and clear. Can’t we make a live blog, as some people here have proposed, or do some sort of new and different thing to capture the interest of the public at large? Get a million voices in our corner?

      SB 421 benefits everyone. It just needs a campaign logo, a bumper sticker and a series of super-smart advertisement videos. We can use humor, even (I have a million ideas). We just need to market this message to the masses who can rise up and make a change.

      • John4

        Anna… have a team consisting of families and friends of registrants send out letters to registrants in Ca starting from the top of the list to recruit, inform. I’m quite sure theres thousands of suffering families who are completely in the dark of any movements (ASCOL)and of such and simply have no hope. Money, donations and or volunteers to initiate this would indeed be the primary factor. Is this legal? I’m not an attorney so I wouldn’t even no 😳

        • Anna

          Thanks!!! I’m gonna do that. No one in my family has ever written in support of any legislation, so I’ll be rounding them up!

      • Matthew

        Hey Anna,

        I think at this point its going to be passed or failed based on all the information that is out there. Yes, for those who want their voice heard, can simply contact the assembly (if it passes the appropriations committee) and let them know about their stance. In my opinion, what we truly need to do is separate ourselves from the reoccurring offenders that give all registered citizens a bad name. We need to reach out to those who are affected and organizations and let them know that we do care about the effects it had on them and are doing our best to grow as people. Instead, both sides are drawing “battle lines” of a us vs them. There is no way to win a battle when one is battling victims. Their lives were ruined by our decisions and such be up to us and show the community that we are better than the choices we made poorly. In order to showcase a different point of view, we must present ourselves as who we are today. We should all think back to how we felt about sex crimes prior to us being in our current situations. What did we think back then compared to how we feel now? The change of our views was sparked by our actions or someone’s else’s actions. From there, we see the person not the decision they made.

        • Anna

          Agreed, Matthew! And nicely said. I don’t know of any forum that really connects the two, with people wanting to reach out and share. But it’s a great idea. I think even the victims (I’m a “victim” as well, so I can only speak for myself really) want this tiered registry to go through. There needs to be a clearer definition of offenses, not just for safety and fairness, but because if a punishment for any perceived sexual offense is for an entire lifetime, what’s the point of offenders coming to terms with their mistakes/tendencies and striving to reform? There are serious/violent offenders who will not or cannot change, and they need to be in a category all their own. I just can’t believe this sort of 3-tiered system wasn’t set in place from the very beginning. Otherwise, it makes victims of us all (except the people who truly deserve the lifelong sentence). I’ve seen lives ruined on both sides. =(

          • Anna

            I should add here that what happened to me was extremely violent in nature, yet the offender (who was caught by the police and jailed) doesn’t even have to register. Yet my brother, who was on the opposite side of the spectrum and made a mistake a long time ago with someone who lied about their age, has to register for life. It has ruined so many things for him.

          • kind of living

            @ Anna ,,,,, at what point is it one might be viewed as a person that level 3 it that might be safe to say a person that a person has changed ? maybe there should be a level 4 or why not a five , sky is the limit , how many years would be enough ? not doing sex crimes ? we just being stuck in limbo no matter what we have become as good people with familys , how bout this ,,, we do the time the court gave us and how ever many years of paper and we are not on a tier at all , if we go out and do another crime the court see that there may be a problem and act on that and order help for that person , rather that worrying about some tier , there will always be a level 10 to point at on the news , that may have been a level one to begin with , drawing lines make no one safe , its just further punishment for people that’s trying to do right in life , while a few that could be any level or no level at all because they were never caught or just a new face they control the fate of others that already did their time trying to set things right by being good people , that’s my one 1%er view

  80. Rodney

    Just read revised SB421 Bill.
    Commencing January 1, 2021?
    For real? Really?
    I’ll be 66 years old if I live until then.
    Really? Please tell me I’m wrong.

  81. Lake County

    I might feel better knowing what Janice thinks about this. Coming to this website and getting involved with all these issues is becoming an emotional roller coaster.

    • Matt

      Lake, Here’s what you need to know: As the bill is written, 85% of the people on the registry will have a worse condition than they do now. What else do you need to know? I have emailed Janice a few times. I get an auto-response saying she is unavailable until the 28th. Almost everybody winds up as a 2 or 3. The notion that we might be able to get off the registry at some point after 2021, by applying for mercy, (after spending thousands of dollars) is a pipe dream at best. Stop wishing for the best and look at reality. This is absolutely not what it was sold as. And it will only get worse from here. I don’t know who Pamela is, but she is spreading false hope in my opinion. She is basically saying that all the bait and switch amendments could go away. Well, I guess that is technically possible. On the other hand, they could amend it to say that we all get committed to concentration camps forever too. And what elected official wouldn’t vote for that? Anybody who trusts a government official to do the right thing is a freaking moron. SB421 is the last nail in the coffin.

    • Matthew

      In my personal opinion and to respect to all, we are all capable of giving our own opinions on a bill by simply reading the bill and research. Sometimes we get so used to people doing stuff for us that we don’t realize our full potential. Someones take, with all due respect, is going to change from one person to another. I can assume she will give feedback to the sort of “It is not as great as we thought but it still brings change and those lawmakers are willing to make any change which is good in its own right.” Do not depend on people to let you know how you should feel.

      • AlexO

        It’s hard to properly research legal documents. They’re not written with layman in mind. Sometimes a simple comma may mean the world of difference in the result. We can try and analyze what we’re reading, but ultimately we need to defer to experts like Janice who actually understand the nuances. Reading a legal document with no training is no different than reading a DNA sequence.

    • Timmr

      Take yourself out of it, then. See it from an impartial standpoint, if you can. Does it go in the right direction? It never benefited the majority. Where did you get that idea. It is supposed to be an incremental step, the concept of which you had once supported. The registry doesn’t end when you get off it. I warned that if we supported this bill, we will have to own it. It is too late to have second thoughts. Pamela is on the board and has laid out the likely course this bill will take. Just take a deep breath and stay the course and wait for the next instruction.

      • Janice Bellucci

        Thank you, Timmr, for your voice of reason. As you accurately stated, ACSOL has viewed and continues to view the Tiered Registry Bill as one step in an incremental process. It is not the final answer. If the bill becomes law, it will become a foundation upon which we can build in future sessions of the state legislature.

      • Matthew

        You are really sounding like a robot or a sheep by saying wait further instruction. Do you think another sex offender bill will be priority for lawmakers? Its time for people to put on their adult pants and review how they feel about something on their own

        • Timmr

          I have reviewed how I feel about this tiered bill in numerous posts when the discussion was fresh. I feel the recent concerns with the amendments. I have decided after long thought to simply support the people who know better about the process, and have the experience and the time to run around Sacramento and assess and address the situation and make recommendations. I don’t have that time and experience. I know my limits and it is not about me anyway. I can make some calls, write some letters and I am trying to earn enough money to go to Sacramento more often, when needed. It is like when at my work, I put my pride away and subcontract out work that someone else can do a better job at. It is just the responsible thing to do in some cases to complete the task. Like I said and gave reasons not all ACSOL’s, I think it is just important to see the bill passed and move on from there. I am not going to stick my thumb in there and risk messing the job up.

  82. michael

    Me personally Ive gotten no where, as for this so called thinning of the registry…
    since 90+ % of people cant afford the BS lawyer fee’s to PAY to petition the court, MOST all will be STAYING on the registry ANYWAYS, therefore in turn the REGISTRY WILL STAY BLOATED and still COST A TON OF $$$$$$$$$$$$$, so this so called BILL that is to have the objective of THINNING out the registry, well it will HARDLY go down in numbers….

    someone mentioned 5000 a year + are added (dont know where that comes from im just requoting…) but if it ADDS 5k a year, I DOUBT that 5K a year have the upwards of estimated 3-5K to spend to GET OFF after thier 10-20 years….

    This is another BS thing in the government to make it look like WE WILL BE SAVING $$ when the government wont be saving anything….

    MARK my words in 5-10 years from now it will CONTINUE to CLIMB and always stay at 100K plus unless auto removals are done !!! !!!! !!!

    • AlexO

      It’s ironic that most won’t be able to afford a lawyer to get off the registry because the registry is preventing them from getting a good job to pay the lawyer.

      • Relief Is 2023

        @AlexO: For many petition cases, Registrants will also have to get a Psych exam (from a CASOMB approved provider). These are $3,000 – $5,000. Almost certain for anyone with a contact or CP or a 647.6. This is the Judges CYA plan.

        And unlike a 1203.4 but like a COR, it may or may not be granted. That’s why losing the 30 year auto-relief has a big impact.

    • mot

      Interesting comment and I concur; in CA we now have a FUND in the state and LA County and LA City to help those here illegally get the lawyers and legal help they need to stay here. WE RSO are citizens and were citizens before our offense and continue to pay taxes but when it comes to legal help to get relief from the registry we have to pay full price to lawyers. I have been quoted $5,000 to $10,000 to get a COH; expunge and with NO guarantee any of can happen. So WE are even lower on the totem pole of life.

  83. hh

    Can someone please clarify – are the tiers going to be based in conviction or static 99 score ? Very confused as I keep seeing people comment on both.

    • Matthew

      If you static score is defined as well above average, it is tier 3. Other than that its conviction

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