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PA: Names being removed from sex offender registry


Pennsylvania State Police have started the process for removing as many as 5,000 ex-offenders from the Megan’s Law registry under a state supreme court mandate and a new law.

Shaquana Green appeared at a Pennsylvania State Police barracks last month to update her information as a registered sex offender. It’s an annual chore she has done for the last five years, having landed on the Megan’s Law list after disappearing with her daughter for three hours in violation of a custody order.

As of this month, though, the name of the 26-year-old Northampton County resident no longer appears on the registry, under a state Supreme Court ruling and a new exemption for parents who had been charged with interfering with custody of children, but no sex crime.

“I get to have my life,” Green said last week. “This is more than a blessing.”

Last year, the state Supreme Court ruled retroactive application of the state’s version of the new, tougher Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act was unconstitutional. In response, state lawmakers passed House Bill 631, a stop-gap measure to keep up to 12,000 individuals on the registry, but that included an exemption for legal guardians charged with interference with custody of children. Gov. Tom Wolf signed the bill into law Feb. 21. The exemption applies to only legal guardians of children, though another bill in the state Senate would remove interference with custody of children as a Megan’s Law offense; Pennsylvania and Louisiana are the only states where the crime is considered a violent sex offense even when no sexual contact occurred.

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  1. ExpatRFSO

    How on earth did “interfering with custody of children” offense ever end up on a sex offender registry in the first place?! Insane!

    • Brian

      It’s just how stupid politicians keep trying to add more and more feel good punishment laws passed to make them more superior in the public’s eye and also trying to make anything a sex crime or registerable offense, even this sexual harassment bs that’s going on, that’s going to eventually land someone on the registery I can see that happening.

      • Paul 2 chikity check

        I have a list of every IA 7 in Lehigh co and haven’t seen one come off or get changed from a tier 3 back to 10yrs Does anyone have info on people with IA7 and being removed?

  2. kat

    Many states consider inadvertant downloading of CP “a violent sex offense”, even though no physical or sexual contact of any kind has occurred.
    Time for defamation suits!

  3. Dustin

    I think the main reason is to keep registries as large as possible. Federal grants and such are awarded based on the number of registrants. “Public safety” is irrelevant – it’s been shown time and again that the registry has no effect there. Politicians know it, but are more concerned with the money generated and cheap political points in keeping them.

    • Paul 2 chikity check

      Out of 335 Lehigh co people since 1-30-18 they have removed 15 total.

  4. Paul 2 chikity check

    Does anyone Know about The case Aaron Marcus has for Philly clients his message from the 22nd says he should be hearing from a three judge panel on some kind of decision in the next week or so?

    • Brian

      I haven’t heard or seen anything about it, I hope he cut a deal with some judges to charge these lawmakers with felonies for violating their oaths by passing illegal laws.

  5. Brian

    No names removed yet today, very little were removed yesterday also…don’t know what’s the hold up, it ain’t no holiday!!!!

    • Wants off

      Actually a handful were removed. It went up to 026 this morning then back down to 021

  6. daniel

    Hi Everyone,
    Act 10 is the holdup. The majority of people who were due relief are going to be denied relief due to Act 10. Round and round we go. I just wish PSP would take this seriously and get the review done. Oh well, life goes on….

    • Brian

      @ Daniel
      Everyone isn’t due relief who was pre SORNA only the people who were done their 10 years are due, as long as they weren’t svp or life prior to SORNA. I’m sure you may know all of this info though. PSP are definitely dragging their asses for sure, I don’t know what the hold up is but there is no excuse for this, they have no fing problem enforcing the laws when people aren’t compliant or obsconded!!!!

      • rich

        my end was supposed to be 06/18/18. it was supposed to be 10 years then as u know whent to 15 yrs. So what can i expect and when? Do you think i need to sign up 6/10 as i normally was required as my lasy one or what?

        • AlexO

          You honestly should speak to a lawyer directly. No one here will be able to give you any real advice since this is all uncharted waters. Definitely do not skip your registration date unless you have something signed by the judge. You don’t want to open that can of warms on a misunderstanding.

        • sean

          @ Rich
          mine is supposed to be done may 28, 18. i was a 10yr. too, then switched to lifetime, then switched again to 25.. i only have a single conviction. my lawyer has sent a letter to psp, just an informational kind of letter letting them know my name should be included in their review process.(along with all supporting documentation of my case). i only did this for my own piece of mind, as i know they are “reviewing” “everyone” but, mistakes can happen. will they get to me in time before may? I’m betting not. so I’m prepared to go in may, as i normally do. my lawyer definitely believes i will get my relief, but like others, I’m assuming i will be on past may till they get to review me. and if they decide they wont remove me, then I’m prepared to fight.

    • Adam

      What is act 10? Where can I read more about this?

  7. Gary

    Total Registrants – Actual Counts from PSP Website: 2/24/2018 – 21,292: 3/5/2018 – 20,787. Decline of 505. Includes preSorna removal + custody issues removal – new registrants.

    • Johnny

      February 21, 2018
      Harrisburg, PA – Governor Tom Wolf today signed House Bill 631 into law, now Act 10 of 2018, the primary intent of which is to provide for greater public safety by ensuring convicted sexual offenders remain subject to registration requirements in the wake of recent court decisions impacting Pennsylvania’s implementation of the Sexual Offender Registration and Notification Act (SORNA).

      The legislation, introduced by Rep. Ron Marsico, would ensure that as many as 12,000 sexual offenders remain on Pennsylvania’s registry and subject to the regulations in place at the time of their offense – either a 10-year or lifetime registration.

      “I am proud to sign this bill, which helps to keep Pennsylvanians safer by maintaining a comprehensive list of sexual offenders,” said Governor Wolf. “We must maintain confidence in our judicial system, especially for victims of sexual abuse crimes. This bill works to help do that.”

      HB 631 provides guidance on Commonwealth v. Muniz, where the Pennsylvania Supreme Court held that the commonwealth’s sexual registration statute, commonly referred to as the Adam Walsh Act, could not be applied retroactively.

      Without this legislation, any person whose offense occurred prior to the enactment of SORNA in December 2012 would not be required to register as a sexual offender and those placed on the registry for offenses committed prior to that date would have been subject to removal.

      • Lou

        Johnny, In reference to your post. HB 631 providing guidance on Muniz. Prior to the enactment of sorna, registrants are subject to removal? Was that signed and put into law? My lawyer said it isn’t. I am tier1 & pre-sorna, and called Harrisburg a few days ago, they told me, at best, I will go back to 10yr registration. They will not remove me entirely, and also they will NOT remove my f3 failure to register a vehicle conviction, because “I still broke the law.” My county judge won’t remove it either after 2 recent attempts. He also will not relieve me from my sorna requirements. My 2nd appeal is scheduled for next week.

  8. Brian

    0 removed today as Harrisburg is shut down due to state of emergency declared by governor wolf.

    • rich

      How do you know how many are removed daily and how are they doing it? Is it alpha or date order? How can i see that list of removal……………thanks

      • Brian

        This is the link to the PSP website ,just enter it in your browser and it shows all the numbers, it goes up and down because people are being added to the registry at the same time that others are being removed. I check it a few times a day.
        As for your registration time 06/18/18, people who were pre SORNA like you and I meaning we were charged before 12/20/2012 and after 1996 are due to revert back to our original sentences on the registry, you should be done your ten years 06/18/18, but don’t just stop going in to update until you have a letter in your hand stating that your no longer required to register or they can arrest you, correct me if I’m wrong but psp ads a base year meaning your time may not be done until 2019, I began registration in 2002 and my end date would have been 2013, due to SORNA I was bumped up to 25 years, you can contact the psp Megan’s law section but they won’t give you a lot of info, I don’t know if it’s going in any kind of order or they are just grabbing a stack of reports and sorting through them, when I called over a month ago they said they were reviewing my file, they also said I am no longer required to register and they aren’t sending out reminder letters for updates, the lady said until I get something in the mail saying I don’t have to register anymore to go in anyway and register on my dates because they can still arrest me for being none compliant, so it sucks that I’m not required to register but I still have to until I get a letter telling me I don’t have to, i contacted an attorney and am probably going to have to petition the courts to be removed sooner instead of waiting for the psp to remove me. So as for when no one knows and if you don’t receive a letter telling you anything I suggest you go in on you update date and register till they say not to, don’t let anyone tell you different.


  9. HB 631 Requirements

    For anyone who still owes time for there 10 years. Like the recent two people talking about your 10 years are up in May 2018.

    Did you ever hear of the Venus Fly Trap?

    HB 631 or Act 10 has the same effect as that plant.

    If you are not done your 10 years, you arent coming off SORNA, they are holding you, more than likely as a TEIR 1, until the 30 day letter is sent explaining your new requirements under ACT 10.

    The bill reads, continued registeration for ones who HAVE NOT COMPLETED THERE 10 YEARS OR REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS.

    Its simple to understand, you got caught up on ACT 10.

    Feb 21 to May 21 2108. Is close to 90 days.

    If you havent finished your 10 years prior to Feb 21 2018 when Wolf Signed the bill, you have 90 days to register under ACT 10.

    And then once registered, I bet you and I will have to fight them to review that our 10 years is up.

    They are not going to remove anyone under Act 10 unlesz requested.

    If Muniz Decision didnt scare them, that should tell you they dont care about breaking the law. They only care when sex offenders do.

    • Tony two Times

      What about the people who have finished their 10yrs and still haven’t been reviewed Should they go update or risk getting arrested?

    • sean

      it might be a trap for now. but ive had two different lawyers read the bill, one having a background in the senate. this has been debated, and gone round and round. psp can break the law all they want, but this time we have the courts decision on our side. I’m sure they will not remove me one second before I’m supposed to be. however, they can not increase the time. if they try, that’s fine, ive been saving my money for this, and am prepared to fight for what is due.

  10. HB 631 Requirements

    Has anyone received the letter for HB 631 in the state of PA for the new requirements. On February 21 2018 the bill was signed in law. They have thirty days to get a letter out from the day of the signing of the bill by Wolf. March 23 2018 is 30 days. And we are to update with in 90 days from February 21 2018. That would May 21 2018 or about there. So have anyone the honor and received our to retroactive requirements.

  11. Brian

    I haven’t gotten anything yet either, I am due relief but not sure that they are going to send letters to people who are due relief or not. But at the same time they done know all who is due relief yet I don’t think.

    • Tony two Times

      Brian per my last conversation with a PSP reviewer I was told that most people will be getting the letter but the review for people that are due relief should be done before the 90days is up. So just because you get a letter doesn’t mean they have done your review. I did not go in for my last update because PSP told me I did not have to because the new law is in effect. She told me twice that because of the charges I have my review should be done before the 90days is up. Chuck on the other site has been deleting peoples comments about this It a shame they allow this to happen. I think the next few week we should see a lot more people removed. I am still curious what your attorney has to say about the DAs involvement in this my guess is PSP is having them make sure they legally can remove each person. I do not think the DA is just deciding who can come off or not.

      • Brian

        Tony two Times
        I am also curious of what he’s going to say also, Friday I will be meeting with him and will find out what’s going on, I gave him a copy of my court transcript that’s proves the judge stated that we aren’t recommending mr me to register as a sex offender but yet psp made me register for the past 15 years now, I was on a deferred probation sentence and they left it to the probation officer if I was to register but I was never told to in writhing or verbally, psp ml section told me I am not required to register anymore but she also told me that I should still go and update on my anniversary dates, I would be afraid not to. I notice some thing going on on the other site, an entire blog was deleted which was very disappointing because I git a lot out of it but now it’s gone.

  12. Brian

    Over 4000 people have been removed from TEIR 2 and 3 and according The the stats right now, looks like were all moved to TEIR 1

  13. sean

    holy cow…what lit the fire over night..take a look at the site now.. tier 2 dropped over 1000, and now there is no tier designations… interesting…

  14. Brian

    Wander what their plan is now…

  15. Adam

    I am one of the many who were removed from the website last night. I called ML and they told me that this does not mean that I have been removed from the registry, but rather that I have been slated for review “since my date is coming up.

    This doesn’t make sense since my next scheduled update isn’t until December, but this still feels like progress towards my ultimate removal.

    • Tony two Times

      Yes same here she said we should get a letter. I think they are buying time to finish reviews.

  16. Brian

    Just got off the phone with psp, said the same thing, should be getting a lettersoon, I asked why everyone has been moved to t1 status and she said there all being reviewed.

    • Tony two Times

      Brian you are still up? I got removed.

    • Rich

      After replying to you a week os so ago, i check the PSP listing evey day. It was weird that Tier 1 jumped to 14,000 something today . I am due on 6/10 for my yearly check that i do once a year as a tier 1. I am due to be done on 6/18/18 under the old system of 10 years. That is what i was supposed to do before they changed it. So i wonder if they will want me to report tis year since its 8 days later i should be off. I also wonder if they will do it . Any comments are welcome. As you all know they just arbitarily added 5 years to my megans punishment.

  17. Tony two Times

    Sorry to Guessit and the others the did not get removed just stay patient maybe things will change. For the rest of us that got completely removed from the site congratulations its been a long wait. We just have to wait for them to finish the reviews now.

  18. Brian

    Yep still up, no TEIR alication still, it doesn’t say if I’m active though.

  19. Brian

    Tony two Times And Adam
    Congrats guys, enjoy freedom at last my friends, hope I’m off before I see my lawyer Friday,
    Good luck guys…

  20. Wants off

    I also have no tier designation and it does not say active.

    • Brian

      Wants off
      Good to see ya, things are getting a little crazy, I wander if there are no teirs due to act 10, I see theirs for post SORNA people here and there, I saw a guy that was obsconded removed 3 weeks ago but was put back on as not obsconded or non compliant, he’s a pre SORNA started registration in 2000, wandering why they put him back on.

      • Wants off

        I wish they could at least give information as to the procedure they are using. Is it alphabetical? By date? My name is toward the end of the alphabet so if its alphabetical I know I just have to be patient and wait. But I guess they can’t give out that information. Whatever they are doing they definitely seemed to take a new approach to it last night. Lets hope that speeds things up

        • Brian

          Wants off
          That would be nice if they would give some sort of a sign of what their direction is, we are totally in the dark like mushrooms but we have somewhat of a clue of what’s going on but not much.

  21. Andy

    I see some people are still tiered, some people are tierless, and some (me for example) are not on at all. Does this mean I’m off? I was sentenced in 2010 to probation and sorna retroactively put me on since I was “under supervision” at the time. Please tell me they aren’t going to put me back on…

    • Wants off

      Were you put on Megan’s List at all before SORNA took effect?

      • Andy

        I was not. I was on probation for 2 years when sorna took effect putting me on for the first time. My offense did not warrant ML in 2010.

      • Brian

        I was due to come off November 2013, the damn base year screwed me💀

    • Tony two Times

      Andy those of us that have been removed most likely will stay off unless the person has extra jail time that puts them under 10yrs if you did not have to register pre SORNA then you can pretty much count on staying off for good PSP told me and others we are just waiting to receive official notice and make sure toll time did not put anyone under 10yrs. Congrats

      • jamie

        My husband was off the list then put back on as no tier…also under review…first got on in 2004 he should be off too but still waiting…called PSP and they said he should be getting a letter and never received and this was a month and a half ago..told him not to go in and hasn’t received this update letter..

        • HB 631

          No make the same mistake other are, he better report. they will arrest him, if he is on the website.

        • Brian

          This is what I know, the psp aren’t sending update letters out anymore, If your husband knows when his update date is, my suggestion is go update Because they can arrest us, the psp had till the 23 of this month to mail the letters out about the new law and requirements, we have to register on May 22 , if he hasn’t received a letter saying he’s done that just means they haven’t reviewed his file unless there was toll time he spent locked up or had new sex crimes charges, I haven’t been removed yet but I have no teir either, I am due relief as well, my file hasn’t been reviewed yet as far as I know, I am an out of state offender so it’s more difficult for them, they have to contact the state I am from before they let me go, I have hired an attorney to handle this.

      • Robin

        Tony ….off for good only if you never leave PA.

        Remember if you go to any state that would require you to register and get put on that registry then you would have to go back on PA registry because you are registered in another state.

        I suggest anyone that does go to another state, even for a visit you better make sure you look at that states laws and perhaps even county/city laws you intend to visit, see what their laws are about registry.

        • Tony two Times

          Robin you need a better grasp of how the law works You keep saying things that are not true. If a person is no longer required to register in the state they committed their crime another state can not make them register in theirs. Out of state people in PA are a whole other ball game you have to go by what the law says in the state you committed your crime.

        • Robin

          @ Tony

          This is directly from FL web site.
          NOTE: Removal from another state’s registration requirement does not guarantee removal from the requirement to register in Florida.

          In VA there is also wording that looks to me like registry would be required even if not on in another state.

          I don’t want to debate this one, but I would suggest anyone look at laws of any state they intend to visit, even after removed from registry in PA.
          Even if I am wrong, do you want to chance being put on a registry else where, if it would be possible.

          Trust me I’m not blowing smoke, and everyone should be aware it is a possiblity and should look at the laws of what ever state they intend to travel through or visit.

  22. Tony two Times

    Has anyone that is not an out of state offender that was not required to register pre SORNA or has finished their 10yrs still on the site? Just wondering because I think they have pretty much removed everyone that has finished their time.

    • Wants off

      I was federal convicted 2003 went on ML for 10 years in 2005. I am currently still listed with no tier designation .

    • Robin

      @ Tony….maybe that is what they were looking at first was the t2 and t3’s that would roll back and if done be removed. And now need to reveiw all others cause if that 12,000 number was even close to right they are still a long way from that number.

      • Tony two Times

        Robin the number of people they estimated to be removed was 4500 not 12K The 12K were people effected by Muniz not all come completely off.

        • Robin

          I never said 12000 were coming off. I said, based on the article “Wolf signs bill to keep 12,000 on the registry”, that would mean the numbers would be in the neighborhood of 10,000 to come off based on that information.
          Simple math 22,000 minus 12,000 is 10,000. And I was questioning, not stating as fact.

          At this date I’m guessing the information was coming from different sources. It seems to be they want to only take off 4500 or so.

    • jamie

      My husband’s out of state too and with no tier and sentenced only to 10 yrs his tties been up but haven’t been off and Brian he called today and they’re now sending them out

  23. Robin

    @ Andy and Wants off,

    Let’s remember the way the law reads now, it is not a matter if you were in custody, being incarcerated or on probation/parole. Some were in jail or on probation for say dui, and were pulled onto sorna because they had a prior sex offense conviction at some point in their life.

    It is rather a matter of when you’re crime was committed and if you would have been required to be on it at the time you commited the sex offense.

  24. Robert

    Im from out of state (md)
    My time was up last year. But they have me on as starting when i moved to PA in 2013. Im still on the registry. So im Not shore if im getting off or not. And i cant afford a lawyer any time soon. Any ideas?

    • Brian

      What you should do is get you original court records that include your plea agreement if you took the hook line and sinker like everyone else myself included, I had to send a bunch of requests to co where I am from and it took me a month to get all of my documents back, if you can’t afford a lawyer I’m sure there are pro se documents that you can file on your own without a lawyer. I’m not sure what you would need to file, you should try and contact Aaron Marcus from the Philadelphia defenders association, he may be able to lead you in the right direction, he may even be able to help you but I don’t know that for sure. He is very busy so you have to be patient. Good luck man.

    • Robin

      @ Robert…Did you get a letter from MD of any sort stating such. If not you need to contact MD and get them to sen you a letter stating such.
      I’m guessing that you had a 10 yr reg period so you had a crime committed date and conviction 2007 or before, correct? If so that could cover you and get you relief, but I wouldn’t swear by that.
      PSP can not say you have a requirement in another sate if you are off and especially if you have the letter.
      I have not seen anything definitive in Chapter 97 that would say you get credit for time from another state, but I haven’t really looked at that aspect of it, or once your requirement has been met in that other state so you may have a mess on your hands.
      But like I said it could still could swing your way.
      I would strongly suggest you find out, and get a lawyer ASAP, before the dust settles.

  25. Chris

    I was removed from the website on 3-14-2018 does that mean I am officially off for good or is there a hidden catch somewhere in ACT 10 that might bring me back on the list. I didn’t receive a letter before I was removed stating I was done. I was figuring that psp would send me a letter before they took me off telling me I was officially done.

    • Robin

      Not until you have that letter in you hands.

    • Tony two Times

      Chris same here they need to still complete your review to make sure you have done all your time on reg if you had any time in jail that doesn’t count towards your 10yrs Once they verify everything the will send out a letter. They have removed people they think are finished with their time or were never suppose to reg in the first place. Thats what PSP told me. So if you know for sure you did your 10yrs then you’re good but need to wait for letter.

  26. Robert

    I plead gilty in June 06. To what i did 03. I was sentenced on July 17 2006. ( 10 days before President Bush sign in SORNA) to 5 yrs jail. Suspended 3.5 years. Did 14month and was on probation for 3 years. I was originally given 10yrs on the registry. But that turn to life when i was away. I never got any thing from MD from the time i moved to PA. And from what i understand of the laws. I should have credit for my time in MD on the registry.

    • Tony two Times

      Robert you need to complete the time on the reg you were given at the time you were convicted so if MD said you had 10yrs on reg then you would have to complete the 10yrs on reg time in jail doesn’t count. So if you did say 3 years in MD and 7 in PA with no jail during those times you would be done. It looks to me that PA is saying that if the state you committed your crime in still says you need to register in their state then PA will keep you on Might be fore people that didn’t move to PA until after SORNA was in effect. There is something going on with out of state people because none have been completely removed while people with similar charges from PA and time on the reg have been removed. If I would have moved to FL two weeks ago before I was removed FL would have made me register in their state for life because I was still required to register in PA So FL would make me prove I finished my reg time according to PA So I think out of state people will have to prove to PA the same thing If you have proof you had a ten yr reg from MD and registered in PA pre SORNA (before dec 20th 2012 and PA did not consider your crime to be a longer reg time than MD then you should be able to use the time in PA plus the time in MD to get off after you did 10yrs total with no jail time counting towards the 10yrs. PSP might be able to figure that all out or maybe make you prove it with records from MD not sure how they will do it.

      • Brian

        Tony two Times
        I was never ordered by the courts to register it states that right in my plea agreement but they made me register for 10 years anyhow and then put me under SORNA because I was still on the registery when they signe it into law in pa, I’m not sure what the problem is with me being still on the registery and others are being removed, I have called psp several times to see what’s going on and have gotten different answers, I will see my attorney today at least and hope he has some answers for me, I know your off the list now but I will give an update anyway.

        • Tony two Times

          Hell yah Brian until I get a letter from PSP we are almost in the same boat Hope he has some info for you I think because you didn’t have to reg in original state you are good

  27. Robert

    I got out of jail October 07
    So my time should be done
    I dont know if MD has changed their laws about the registry sence i moved. I thought PA would treat every body the same. As a legal resident no matter when they declared being a resident. I do under stand it being diffrent if i still declared my self as a Marylander.
    Thanks for the info.

    • Robin

      @ Robert 9799.15. Period of registration (a.1) Credit for time on registry.–The following apply:(2) An individual subject to registration under this subchapter shall register with the Pennsylvania State Police for the period of time set forth in subsection (a), except that:(ii) An individual registered pursuant to section 9799.13(7), (7.1) or (7.2) for a sexually violent offense shall register for the period set forth in subsection (a), less any credit as a result of time registered in a sexual offender registry for that sexually violent offense in the foreign country or other jurisdiction where the individual was convicted.

      Just make sure you have a letter from MD or PA could say you are required to be registered in another state.

    • Tony two Times

      Robert the main difference is that your crime was committed in another state not in PA that might allow them to treat your registration differently. If you stayed in MD finished your 10yrs then PA couldn’t put you on reg. If MD credits you for the time you registered in PA then you can get proof from MD that you finished your time in MD

      • jamie

        My husband’s from out of state originally and they told me yesterday that it doesn’t matter if his times up Pre sorna then he might be one that’s getting off

        • james

          PA Megan’s law

          Just an FYI, I went to do my 3 month check in today as I was moved to lifetime tier 3 status in 2012. So as I was leaving and checking the form I noticed that I was moved back to tier 1 status and now a 15 year registration status. heck better than lifetime. should have been 10 year registration period.

          good luck to all

        • Robin

          @ jamie your post on Wolf made it sound like he was from PA and in another state now.

          If he’s from FL or any state that is life no matter what, then he won’t be removed in PA, as he’s required to register in another state.
          If there is any state that he’s on a registry and required to be on that registy, he will have to stay on.


          You cannot treat out of state people different then in state. Its pretty clear law under equal protection.

  28. Mike s

    There is no such thing as a Base year, I’m not sure who keeps spreading that BS. It ten years is ten years to the day.

    • Tony two Times

      Hey Mike you’re right I don’t get where that came from you have to reg for 10yrs not ten years plus any time Mike are you still off the reg?

      • Mike s

        Yes, I got off before act 10 passed.

        It looks as though the rest of you 10 year folks are going to be getting relief too!! The move to T1 for the 4000 was to make sure that the PSP was not in violation of the law by requiring people to come in 2 or 4 times a year.

        The systems are all ties together and warrants were being issued for non compliance based on old law.

        If you were moved to T1 you will be getting a letter telling you your last day.

        Can’t believe it’s been over 6 years since I was called into POs office (November 2011) and told the news that SORNA was passed and that the following year this shit was actually going to get even worse.

  29. Guessit

    Psp website not acceptable on my end at this point lol

  30. Robin

    I think there is going to be a number of law suits. I haven’t paid attention to any of the persons on the registry,just the numbers, until now. The numbers on tiers were lowest on tier 1 before the moved that 10,000 over. I would have thought they would do tier 1 first being the lowest numbers.
    With just scrolling in one particular county looking at tier 1 then looking into the crime I found 2 with 3126 IA 1 which is M2 which should have been removed. They had no other listings but that one crime. One was pre sorna the other post sorna, and either way they should be off.
    In 2014 act 19 removed IA M2 pre sorna, a former judge, on the registry for same, requested removal and PSP refused, then a court stepped in and ordered PSP. The response from PSP was “there are instances in which a court may disagree with their interpretation of the law”. see story here:
    So a judge then ordered the removal, which should have told PSP they are wrong, but it seems they are still doing it “their way”.
    Since when is it PSP’s job to interpret the law as written, are they not just the administrator, and once told by judiciary you’re wrong to accept that and not to continue to do so the way you think it should be?
    Is PSP thinking they are the sole power deciding what laws mean when written?

    • jamie

      Robin no he was charged for crime in NY moved to pa…and no coming from ML personnel he might be 1 getting off…just cause he was convicted in another state doesn’t mean jack…he lives in PA and I asked specifically about that and she said if he’s in pa and one getting off they’ll tell him

      • Robin

        @ jamie

        All I can do at this point is wish you and your husband all the best, will keep fingers crossed for you, and advise you talk to a lawyer.

        • jamie

          Robin We will be Talkin to a lawyer if he don’t get off cause his sentence was only 10 yrs pre sorna

  31. Brian

    Mike r
    You are right, my attorney stated that today, there are no base years, 2013 would have been my tenth year.
    Had a meeting with my attorney today, he found errors in my transcript, typos if you will, also found something starring me right in the face, my so called victim was only 2 years age difference then me, what I was charged with was equivalent to indecent assault in pa, he found that sense I was 19 at the time of the so called crime there was a 2 year difference in age between me and my then girlfriend, in 1997 right around when Megan’s law began lawmakers and DA’s had a hardon for charging anyone and everyone with anything they could that had to do with a sex crime or even close to a sex crime even if it wasnt, my family couldn’t afford a paid attorney so I got screwed, I was wrongfully charged with a crime, I was not braking any law at the time of my so called crime, how could I be so blind, or maybe I just didn’t understanding the laws, My attorney is requesting the DA lets me off the reg in pa my attorney requests to release my client from his registration requirements due to the law should have never applied to him to began with, I should have never been on the registry , EVER!!! The DA are the ones who say who is on and who gets relief, the psp reviews and the DA says yay or nay, that’s what I gathered from my attorney, I don’t know if people can directly petition the DA or they have to use an attorney, my guess is you have to get a lawyer unless you know the process, I don’t so I had to get an attorney..

  32. Chris

    U would think that the PSP would do the reviews while the people were still on the register so they wouldn’t have to take people off only to have to put them back on. Sounds simple to me.

    • Tony two Times

      Chris they have pretty much reviewed the people they have taken off they are just covering their asses to say you have to wait for letter incase they missed something.

    • Brian

      I can bet lots of mistakes will be made during this entire ordeal, also I can see a lot of lawsuits will happen, Act 10 won’t last long, people already plan to deal with it and take it down, then they will dream up something else after PASC rules it unconstitutional.

  33. Mike

    Does anyone know of any appeals that have been filed yet against this law?

  34. HB 631

    Has anyone received the letter for Act 10, new requirements. Word is everything required stays the same. Homes, cars, tattoos, internet identifiers, schools, jobs, etc, the only thing that changes is the 10 years have the right to come off and all lifetime offenders are one time per year as a teir 1.

    So what changed?

    • Hubs

      Guys,thanks for posting all this. My hubby had a registration date in 2003 and was always a 10yr… then Sorna kicked in and it has been 14 yrs doing this once a year we all dread it. Got a letter this week saying his requirements may change and to register before May 22… his date is in the fall usually like December. He’s TEIR 1 and an out of state but his state has never contacted us and he’s not listed in their site. I’m praying he gets off. Stress isn’t even the word!! Good luck to all of you. Hate ML!

  35. sean

    mike s

    It looks as though the rest of you 10 year folks are going to be getting relief too!! The move to T1 for the 4000 was to make sure that the PSP was not in violation of the law by requiring people to come in 2 or 4 times a year.

    I’m so confused. in theory that would make sense, and might explain the sudden shift in the numbers. However, i am one of the original 10ys, that was switched after sorna. as others have said, it does appear, that they are moving/re-classing pre-sorna people, myself included. that tells me that at least they have “looked” at me, because i now no longer have a tier level. so that would explain 1 less on tier II(that’s were i was) but what am i now? it doesn’t say I’m tier I, and theoretically, i wouldn’t be tier I either. and of course you cant get a straight answer from PSP. i am due to be done the end of may, so i got about 2 1/2 months to still waiting for that letter in the mail. then at least i will know exactly what their doing. I’m so close to the finish line, but yet it seems SO FAR away….

    • Tony two Times

      Sean you are now under a scheme like ML2 was no tier until you finish your 10yrs.

  36. Brian

    Looks like the psp website is stagnant, the last two or three days only a handful came off and or were just switched from teir to teir, we have 6 days till we receive notice from the psp stating the changes in the law, if not we have to just go in and update when it’s our time to go and update and I suppose we will find out what the deal is when we go update I guess, I should hear back from my attorney next week and hope he hears back from the DA’s office about me being removed, This is ridiculous is all I can say.

    • Robin

      @ Brian….it’s six days left for them to send it, not to receive it. My bet is they won’t get them out by then. Unless they are getting them ready, and haven’t been reviewing now until those letters go out.

      • Brian

        I bet you are right, I thought that had till the last day for us to get the letters but that makes sense though, maybe they will began reviewing and reassigning once they get the letters moving.

  37. HB 631

    Am I correct when they deemed SORNA unconstititional and punitive. They deemed all requirements punitive that were retroactively applied to PRE SORNA, illegal, correct?

    We were 10 year or Lifetime, One time per year, correct?

    We were only required to register our Homes, Cars, Jobs, Schools, correct?

    So if the PSP mandates PRE SORNA to provide DNA again, at our first update under HB 631 or Act 10, is this illegal?

    So if the PSP mandates mantates PRE SORNA to provide INTERNET IDENTIFIERS, at our first update under HB 631 or ACT 10, is this illegal?

    Is anyone in here going to be required to register under HB 631 or Act 10, and are you providing your internet indentifiers or DNA again?

    • Brian

      HB 631
      I believe DNA is already on file, I remember back in 1997 they took my DNA, internet identifiers weren’t part of old law, it was like you said, home, car job, school and I think tattoos and scars, wasn’t till I think 06 that they put photos online, I may be wrong though, I may have to register temporarily under 10 if they don’t remove me before my next update,

    • Robin

      Act 10 is now law, even if that new law basically ignores what the Supreme Court concluded.

      So in effect, PSP will follow what ever Act 10 says, but……It now leaves the door open for law suits against the commonwealth. And of course cases on appeals winning based on the Muniz vs Comm outcome.

      “They deemed all requirements punitive that were retroactively applied to PRE SORNA”

      No they deemed requirements were like shaming therefor punitive, not just to pre sorna but over all. So even after SORNA it is unconstitutional. So basically that would mean the public access to the web site would have to go away, at least that is the way I read it.

      • David Kennerly, The Government-Driven Life

        I’m not as engaged with the flurry of developments on the Pennsylvania issue as I should be so let me ask someone who is up on this if they wouldn’t mind synopsizing the situation, i.e. are the changes being made legislatively consistent with the Court’s rulings, or are they legalistic end-runs around the ruling and must there be another showdown to secure registrants’ rights? Are some PA registrants doomed by these new laws? Thank you.

        • Robin

          @ David Kennerly

          “are the changes being made legislatively consistent with the Court’s rulings, or are they legalistic end-runs around the ruling and must there be another showdown to secure registrants’ rights?

          The ex post facto seems to be right on, as all wording now seems to now be crime committed dates with regard to pre SORNA.

          No they are not consistent with the Court’s rulings in full. The web site being the biggest since it was ruled to be punitive, due to being like shaming therefor unconstitutional.

          The other being too inclusive:
          I’ve omited some that was referring to case law etc but pasted the meat. Items here are not in compliance with the opinion, and still remain on the act 10

          We consider SORNA’s publication provisions—when viewed in the
          context of our current internet-based world—to be comparable to shaming punishments. We therefore hold this factor weighs in favor of finding SORNA’s effect to be punitive.

          SORNA predicate offenses that may be graded as misdemeanors under
          Pennsylvania law are as follows: interference with custody of children, 18 Pa.C.S.
          §2904; luring a child into a motor vehicle or structure, 18 Pa.C.S. §2910; indecent
          assault, 18 Pa.C.S. §3126(a)(1)-(6), (8); invasion of privacy, 18 Pa.C.S. §7507.1(b); and
          obscene and other sexual materials and performances, 18 Pa.C.S. §5903(a)(3)(ii),
          (4)(ii), (5)(ii), (6). SORNA predicate offenses that may have a maximum incarceration
          term of two years or less under federal law are as follows: video voyeurism, 18 U.S.C.
          §1801; misleading domain names on the internet, 18 U.S.C. §2252B; and abusive
          sexual conduct, 18 U.S.C. §2244.

          PACDL also contends SORNA is excessive and significantly over-inclusive as it
          casts a global net which sweeps into the sex offender registry many minor and nonsexual offenses.

          Once again, we are aligned with the arguments of appellant and PACDL
          We apply this reasoning here, and we do not analyze excessiveness as applied only to appellant or sexually violent predators, but instead we examine SORNA’s entire statutory scheme. Moreover, we have already recognized
          SORNA categorizes a broad range of individuals as sex offenders subject to its
          provisions, including those convicted of offenses that do not specifically relate to a sexual act.
          Accordingly, we conclude SORNA’s requirements are excessive and
          over-inclusive in relation to the statute’s alternative assigned purpose of protecting the public from sexual offenders.

        • Robin

          Correction not all items remain on Act 10 but all on the indecent assault do other than 3126 a 1, but PSP still thinks it is supposed to be on there.
          I can not attest to any others removed other than custodial interference, or those that are still there that should be gone.

        • David Kennerly, The Government-Driven Life

          Robin, thank you for that clarification on Pennsylvania’s current legal upheavals.

        • Robin

          I’ve had a better look at Act 10 and only one crime is listed for Tier I. 9799.14 which is 2904 (relating to interference with custody of children), except in cases where the defendant is the child’s parent, guardian or other lawful custodian.

          9799.55 (1) (i) (A) Individuals convicted within this Commonwealth of any of the following offenses committed on or after April 22, 1996, but before December 20, 2012:
          18 Pa.C.S. § 2901 (relating to kidnapping) where the victim is a minor.
          18 Pa.C.S. § 3126 (relating to indecent assault) where the offense is graded as a misdemeanor of the first degree or higher.

          I still have to look and see if there is anything to cover public access.

          So in effect Act 10 is in compliance with Muniz v PA, However the AG needs to get on PSP and formally notify them of what and what is not a registerable offense.

        • Robin

          @ David Kennerly

          Here it is and note how the wording states non punitive when Muniz v PA opinion stated shaming and punitive.


  38. Robin

    @ HB631

    And sorry for the NO, but yes they did deem ex post facto unconstitutional, meaning any pre sorna requirements to register if you were not required to by the former law in place at the time.

  39. Wants off

    Are they done removing names or are they reviewing in the background after the big shift to Tier 1?

    • Robin

      @ wants off
      I think they have been working on the notices that have to be out in a few more days. They only had 30 days to get them out. I would say after that they will get back to reviews and we’ll see numbers moving again.

  40. Brian

    What is indecent assault 3126 a 1, the DA mentioned to my Attorney about my out of state offense being comparable to indecent assault, it was a class 4 felony in CO which was called sex assault on a child but she was 17 and I was 19, my attorney caught that on my court transcript, supposedly indecent assault is supposed to be 4 year difference, I thought she lied about her age as she was my girlfriend at the time but my transcript says she was 17, I had a birthday before I was sentenced which made me 20 so maybe that’s where the charged me with the indecent assault which I was wrongly charged, The memories are not as clear as before, I should have never been charged with it at all, my question is although I was due relief am I still due relief I wander? Even though I shouldn’t be on the registry to begin with.

    • Robin

      @ Brian….If it was with her permission it doesn’t fall under any of this it seems. Even if it did, pre SORNA would only have M1 or higher having to register. You should be coming off regardless of 10 yr, as you should not have been registered.
      The big problem is PSP is of a mind set anything under 3126 is supposed to register, even after the 2014 act 19 law change removing M2.
      In Muniz v PA, PACDL listed all but (a) 7 as being excessive and the court agreed and ruled it punitive, at least the way I read it. So it seems to me all but that one should have come off, but only the M2 seems to be off in Act 10, and even then PSP still has the mind that all of 3126 is inclusive.
      There is a news story on this and psp’s attitude on it that I linked on the other thread.

      (a) Offense defined.–A person is guilty of indecent assault if the person has indecent contact with the complainant, causes the complainant to have indecent contact with the person or intentionally causes the complainant to come into contact with seminal fluid, urine or feces for the purpose of arousing sexual desire in the person or the complainant and:

      (1) the person does so without the complainant’s consent;

      (2) the person does so by forcible compulsion;

      (3) the person does so by threat of forcible compulsion that would prevent resistance by a person of reasonable resolution;

      (4) the complainant is unconscious or the person knows that the complainant is unaware that the indecent contact is occurring;

      (5) the person has substantially impaired the complainant’s power to appraise or control his or her conduct by administering or employing, without the knowledge of the complainant, drugs, intoxicants or other means for the purpose of preventing resistance;

      (6) the complainant suffers from a mental disability which renders the complainant incapable of consent;

      (7) the complainant is less than 13 years of age;  or

      (8) the complainant is less than 16 years of age and the person is four or more years older than the complainant and the complainant and the person are not married to each other.

      (b) Grading.–Indecent assault shall be graded as follows:

      (1) An offense under subsection (a)(1) or (8) is a misdemeanor of the second degree.

      (2) An offense under subsection (a)(2), (3), (4), (5) or (6) is a misdemeanor of the first degree.

      (3) An offense under subsection (a)(7) is a misdemeanor of the first degree unless any of the following apply, in which case it is a felony of the third degree:

      • Brian

        Thank you for the response, I see you are very busy. In my plea agreement the law stated in co that even though she gave consent she legally could not give legal consent, that’s where they got me stuck on indecent assault it looks like, but my attorney caught that she actually could being the age difference was only 2 years so yes I have a couple things going here, 1 in my plea agreement it stated that they did not recommend me register and 2 my public defender screwed up and should have caught the age difference.

  41. sean

    interesting that numbers haven’t changed much at all over the last few days, if anything, climbing by a few. surely they are not done?

  42. Robin

    Looks like numbers moving again. Down 8 since yesterday.

    • HB 631

      Per Megans Law Headquarters thousands of papers have been printed and are going out this week and next. ACT 10 requirements will be in the mail.

      • Robin

        @HB 631

        My guess is they got them ready based on everyone that was still on the registry, even if you will be coming off. They don’t know who will or who won’t be coming off until that person is reviewed. So they have to cover their butts.

  43. Brian

    Yea I have been watching also, a few came off I see. That’s good news.

  44. Wants off

    I got my letter today. I called PSP and spoken to a nice lady by the name of Jennifer. She said they are still doing reviews but they were required to send the letters out. Getting a letter doesn’t mean you are swept up in Act 10. Once they review they will send second letters that you no longer are required to register

    • Brian

      Wants off
      The psp are making progress at least, I haven’t received a letter yet, maybe next week I will see it, do you mind saying what the letter says and the new requirements, anything new or not on the new requirements that were on SORNA?

    • HB 631

      Please copy the letter to this site and please allow us to see the requirements, because if anything is on it that SORNA required then it is illegal once again!

      Home, Job, Car, School is the only requirements we are supposed to be doing!

      Does it mandate us to register internet identifier?

      • Robin


        Actually the court ruled the site was like shaming and punitive. So really the entire website would have to go away, or at least public viewing of it.

        “We consider SORNA’s publication provisions—when viewed in the
        context of our current internet-based world—to be comparable to shaming punishments.
        We also find SORNA and the Alaska statute are materially different in their mandatory
        conditions such that SORNA is more akin to probation. We therefore hold this factor
        weighs in favor of finding SORNA’s effect to be punitive”

  45. todd

    Can anyone give me info here. I was sentenced to 7 to 15 years back in 1990 for IDSI. I was forced to max out the whole 15 years. I had a jury trial and didn’t plead guilty. There was no such thing as Meghans Law when I was sentenced. I maxed out in Jan.2004. I registered once a year then. Then they made me come in 4 times a year. Then I did time for failing to register after I was told not to come in by PSP. I did 7 months for that I believe. I must register for life but how can they do this if there was no such thing as a sex offender registry when I was sentenced?
    Right now I’m still on the registry but no tier status and it doesn’t say active. Thanks for any help in this matter.

    • Robin

      @ Todd Here is the wording from Act 10.

      3.1) THE FOLLOWING:

      Being you got out prior to 2005, and since you maxed out your time you weren’t on probation or parole, so you should be coming off the registry. You may want to look into it. Others might say call them, and I have to say every time people call it takes them away from actually doing reviews and slows the process down. If you’re in a hurry to get off the registry I would seek out a lawyer.

      Just keep in mind, if you do come off, some states still have laws that if you were “ever” convicted, you would still have to register in that sate if you move there, work there, visit there. Just depends on that sates laws so you would need to check before you go there.

  46. Wants off

    @ Brian…it’s pretty generic. Says I’ve been identified as someone who may be affected by Act 10. Says I have till May 22 to register. Says registration includes photographing, fingerprints, home, work, school, “and any other information required by Act 10.” Jennifer said getting the letter doesn’t mean I have been reviewed and they aren’t taking me off.

    @HB 631…how do I copy the letter to the site?

    • HB 631

      By typing it word for word. The only way.

    • HB 631

      @ Wants Off – Time for you to be gynny pig.

      It would be beneficial to all of us, to see if they mandate you to disclose your internet identifiers. Because if they do it would be a good time to fight the ACT 10 as unconstitutional because internet identifiers was a requirement under SORNA. and that is illegal applied to us.

      • Wants off

        @ HB 631…

        I am glad someone else posted it because I am a terrible typist and if I had to re-write it word for word, it wasn’t happening.

  47. HB 631

    Act 10 is not requiring our vehicles??

  48. Brian

    Here is a copy from someone off of NARSOL who got their letter.

    Here is a word for word of the PSP letter I received today afternoon 3/23/2018 by non certified mail:

    Date, SID, Address (won’t post that)

    Dear Mr. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Recently Governor Tom Wolf signed into law Act 10 of 2018, which makes significant changes to Pennsylvania’s sexual offender registration requirements under 42Pa. C.S., Chapter 97. You have been identified as a sexual offender who may be affected by these changes. You are required to report to an approved registration site to be photographed, fingerprinted, and to provide/verify your residence (including temporary residences*), employment, school information, and any other information required by Act 10.

    In order to comply with Act 10, you must have an appearance date between February 22, 2018 and May 22, 2018. YOU MUST APPEAR NO LATER THAN May 22, 2018.

    *Temporary Residences include the location of a temporary habitat or other temporary place of abode or dwelling, including a homeless shelter or park, where the individual is lodged; the places the individual eats, frequents and engages in leisure activities and any planned destinations, including those outside this Commonwealth; and the place the individual receives mail, including a post office box.

    You will be required to read and sign an acknowledgement that the duty to register has been explained to you.

    After this initial registration, you will be required to report to the Pennsylvania State Police any changes in residency within three business days of the change, except those offenders in a Transient (homeless) status who must report monthly. All offenders must report any employment or school changes within three business days. This includes a change in employer or employment location that will exceed fourteen days, or for an aggregate period of time that will exceed thirty days in a calendar year. Also included are terminations of employment, new employment, change in student status and changes in the location of any institutions where you are enrolled as a student. If you establish a residence in another state, you must register with the law enforcement agency in that state within three business days of establishing the residency.

    After you report by May 22, 2018, you will be in compliance with your initial registration requirement under Act 10. The Pennsylvania State Police will also credit this as your annual (once per year) verification for calendar year 2018, except those offenders designated as a Sexually Violent Predator or in a Transient status. You will thereafter be required to appear at an approved registration site annually, and you will be notified of your next appearance date in calendar year 2019. The Megan’s Law Section will send you notice by First Class United States Mail to your last reported address to remind you of your annual verification requirement, and provide you with a list of approved registration sites.

    Those offenders designated as a Sexually Violent Predator will be required to appear at an approved registration site on a quarterly basis. The Megan’s Law Section will send you notice by First Class United Status Mail to your last reported address to remind you of your quarterly verification requirement, and provide you with a list of approved registration sites.

    Those offender in a Transient status will be required to appear at an approved registration site monthly. The Megan’s Law Section will send you notice by First Class United States Mail to your last reported address to remind you of your monthly verification requirement, and provide you with a list of approved registration sites. Any changes to the residence information previously provided must be reported at your next monthly verification.

    However, neither failure of the the Pennsylvania State Police to send a notice, nor failure of you to receive a notice relieves you of your obligation to appear and verify your information. Failure to verify your information or report any changes to your information in accordance with the requirements of 42 Pa. C. S. Chapter 97, will be in violation of 18 Pa. C. S. 4915.2, a Felony criminal offense.

    Please be advised, if you travel to work, carry on a vocation or attend school in another state, you must comply with all sexual offender requirements in that state. It is recommended that you contact the agency responsible for sexual offender registration outside of this Commonwealth when leaving Pennsylvania to acquire information that is applicable to your status. The FBI maintains a list of websites for all the sexual offender registries in the United States. The FBI website is:

    Sgt. O. E. Rowles
    Megan’s Law Section

  49. HB 631

    SORNA REQUIREMENTS – Marked with an X if Illegally applied to us under ACT 10!

    A change in name, including an alias.

    A commencement of residence, change in residence, termination of residence or failure to maintain a residence, thus making the individual a transient.

    Commencement of employment, a change in the location or entity in which the individual is employed or a termination of employment.

    Initial enrollment as a student, a change in enrollment as a student or termination as a student.

    X – Illegally Applied Under Act 10 – An addition or a change in telephone number, including a cell phone number, or a termination of telephone number, including a cell phone number.

    An addition, a change in and termination of a motor vehicle owned or operated by an offender, including watercraft or aircraft. In order to fulfill the requirements of this paragraph, the individual must provide any license plate numbers and registration numbers and other identifiers and an addition to or change in the address of the place the where the vehicle is stored.

    A commencement of temporary lodging, a change in temporary lodging or a termination of temporary lodging. In order to fulfill the requirements of this paragraph, the individual must provide the specific length of time and the dates during which the individual will be temporarily lodged.

    X – Illegally Applied Under Act 10 X – An addition, change in or termination of e-mail address, instant message address or any other designations used in Internet communications or postings.

    An addition, change in or termination of information related to occupational and professional licensing, including type of license held and license number.

  50. HB 631

    Anyone else go register under Act 10, you are not required to register your internet identifiers or phone numbers!

    Read HB 631 or Act 10. Under continuing registration for PRE SORNA, HOME, JOB, EMPLOYMENT, doesnt even say vehicle!

    • Hubs

      Okay my hubby doesn’t have a “status” on ML now… he was a TEIR 1… now there is no status just the registration date and last Registration date. Oh fingers crossed!

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