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UPDATE: Prop 35 / TRO against collection of internet identifiers & providers

Registrants are not required to disclose their online identities to law enforcement for an extended period of time, according to a decision made by federal district court judge Thelton Henderson on November 14. As a result of this decision, law enforcement is blocked from requiring this information until at least January 11, 2013. Additional details regarding the judge’s decision can be found on the  Court Order. The judge will conduct a hearing in San Francisco on December 17 on a different issue. California RSOL is a plaintiff and an active participant in this lawsuit.

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Each step forward in buying time is a step in the right direction, slow it may be … but, it’s forward, for now.

If this is NOT successful with this injunction is it possible for other RSO to challenge it OR is this a one time thing? If we could do it individually on 1st amendment grounds it could be in court forever. Just wondering…

California RSOL is an active participant in this lawsuit. There is no reason to file another. As MM stated above, it has to be done one step at a time. Please be patient as we wait for the judge to make a series of important decisions. In the meantime, do not provide law enforcement with information regarding your online identities. They have no legal right to it and if you give it to them, you can’t take it back, however, you can estalbish new online identities

Thank you again for all your efforts!

In a society apparently gone mad with schadenfreude it is nice to know there are some who still fight for human rights

I AGREE MM any step forward is a positive step. Even the ones we lose are positive because we are being heard. If we are loud enough they will start to listen and see that this is not right. Stay positive and keep praying. Thank you Janice and everyone who is supportive of this cause without you we wouldn’t have any voice…God Bless

I try to positive but if you THINK about it for a moment, while it might SEEM like progress you have to remember the basic strategy of negotiation which is this: deliberately ask for MORE (money, information, whatever) than you know you will get only to make the compromise SEEM like a victory to the other party involved. This is a possible example: The ruling comes back that instead of throwing the new “law” out completely, it is modified to only collect one new type of data…say, email addresses. Now, perhaps this was the intent all of the time! So… Read more »

I truly find PROP 35 to be very disturbing. I just wish people would begin to do more research on these new laws prior to voting. I can only wonder. How on earth does the government have the right to monitor anyone’s emails/know their personal information and how can anyone be required to provide such information? It’s astonishing. People need to wake up. We now (not for long) have laws forbidding people from visiting libraries, beaches, parks and even living near Schools or bus stops? I’m dumbfounded. Its truly surreal. I’m still hoping to wake up and realize this is… Read more »

I agree with you fully and could not state it better myself! We have been abused and controlled so long that many RSO offender’s wills are broken. This is a war against us and we are a minority group that it is perfectly legal to put down, threaten, abuse, make fun of, legislate unseasonable laws and restrictions against deny housing, employment, basic human rights, and even murdered! Registered sex offenders are treated exactly like blacks were treated in the USA! It will continue and only get worse until we take action and have the help of those in power and… Read more »

@Tired of hiding – I also agree with you fully in that BIG victories are needed. I am looking forward to your plan to achieve these big victories. Please publicize it somewhere (perhaps on this site) and I will be the first to support it.

Until then I would hope that you (continue to) support those that are on the front lines, sticking out their necks, trying to eke out the little victories. If you would like to see rights restored in your lifetime or after or ever. There are many ways of support.

Wow wow wow! Thank you Janice, Frank and everyone on the RSOL team!!!

I was convicted in 1973, spent most of my life at A.S.H., then 12 years on Con-Rep, and now I am free and clear, or am I? I’m married, work full time and have been out of the legal system for several years and crime free. I register yearly and long for the day that I can be fully free to come and go as I please. Prop 35 is scary! Why am I being lumped in with the offenders that are still active? I have paid for my crimes, and am doing what I am supposed to do, as… Read more »

Once you are a sex offender you will be on probation for life. You do not ever get off of probation, it is just probation in a slightly different form as you are still monitored and must be accounted for 24 hours a day…there are also laws to limit where you can go…limits on where you can live…you must tell law enforcement if you move so you will never have the freedom of movement either, BUT remember that you are not on probation..humm, that sounds like probation to me! You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still… Read more »

they will find a way to keep the law. if they can publish your home address and pucture so can they do this.

your duty is to figure out how to make them think you complied when you haven’t.

This fight is good and necessary. I am not too hopeful about your arguments, though, as it seems to me those points have already been decided in other cases regarding SOR. However, I note, one thing I find disturbing about the overall fight against SOR is that CalifRSOL is accepting that idea that mere misdemeanants should be subject to SOR, or at least that they should be once they complete probation. I don’t care whether the courts say that it is legal to impose it on misdemeanants, it is an abomination nonetheless. A misdemeanor by definition is just a minor… Read more »

I have to agree 100% on this post. CA RSOL, you say you’re pushing for some sort of new Bill next year. The last one, AB_625, had the provision of a 20 year registry for misdemeanor PC 647.6 put into it. Myself, and countless Californian’s have that conviction on our records, as its a very easily attainable conviction for prosecutors. If last years Bill had been enacted, I would be facing another 13 years added to my time on the registry, through no fault of my own. Instead, I will be eligible in 2015 to come off it under current… Read more »

Are we still allowed to celebrate Thanksgiving and eat some Surkey and Stuffing? Or are they making us “EAT CROW” ?

Yes, but you have to put a sign on the door "No pumpkin pie at this
address"
since we all know how pies such as pumpkin are so often used to
lure unsuspecting children!

I think I need an attorney to straighten this whole thing out!!
What A mess!
MERRY FREAK’N CHRISTMAS!

The latest CA 290 registration form already asks for email and other online identities. Can I legally refuse? These forms get longer and collect more info beyond just address information that the statutes require. Thoughts?

I think one thing that might be helpful here is continuing notices of the status of the case. i.e. Originally a hearing was scheduled for November 18 in the Federal court in San Francisco 550 Golden Gate. I see that it seems to have been pushed out to December. Is this correct information. Other suggestions I have for resistance is to register as many on-line IDs as you can so as to flood the registration system with their submission. Think of them as e-sabots, as in throwing sabots into the gears of the system to jam them. Look up the… Read more »

I would refuse to give out my email and bring a copy of the TRO
here the link if you want to print it out and bring it when you register
here is the link
https://all4consolaws.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/036_TRO.pdf

I find it an outrage that they have been asking for that information on their forms even before the law was passed I don’t understand how they could ask for that info when they had no legal right and because it is on the form I thought I had no choice but to give it to them seems like everyone that gave them that info should be able to sue them for over reaching their authority to obtain that info.

I read there was a Court Date on December 17 to decide the outcome of this?
Does any one know what happened in court yesterday?

The arguments were heard in court yesterday. The judge said he would “rule as soon as possible.”

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/sf-judge-considers-sex-offenders-social-media-prop/nTYqM/

Clearly ex post facto…just as that jessic law was ruled years ago…
could not factor in free Americans who are not on parole/probation…
Ex post facto ……..clearly increased punishment …presented to
to voters…its in massive conflict with the Constitution.

In a free society and we are free Americans not on parole/parole…
the un-Constitutional ’35’ portion puts free Americans back in
conditions of parole/probation and is soooooooooo far out
overreach to world communications .

California communication information over phone lines…
what state web site offers only within state web….?????
…..’35’…broad and vague …world wide web communications
information over phone lines are also now human rights
violations……..they overreached state lines and the world.

Agreed, accessing website based outside of the USA is a right and the ability to do so without government spying is a right that all free people should have.

Being monitored and spied on…and let’s not be around the bush, what they propose is SPYING on certain American citizens without their consent and for no legitimate reason!

We’re right, so we gripe. The Sex Offender Registry is a tank where they put people that are O.K. to HATE. We’re not dealing with rationality here; we’re victims of a machine that was designed to let frightened people have an outlet for their turmoil. We’re part of a social experiment. Here are a couple of heavy quotes : (1) “It’s not whether-or-not you’re in ‘compliance’; the question is ‘how out-of-compliance’ are you?” and (2) Your duty is to figure out how to make them think you complied when you haven’t. Civil disobedience is a valid methodology. So you simple… Read more »

Don’t forget the legislature felt this same proposal as un-Constitutional …
…..now this ’35’ part is also un-Constitutional …the taking of private communication
information forced against their will …goes against 4th Amendment…search and
seizure …also 1,5,8,13,14….voters cannot and do not have the power to authorize
search and seizure …the 4th Amendment is clear.

If you wish to stay updated with Prop 35’s status, follow the judge’s calendar…. Calendar for: Judge Thelton E. Henderson Courtroom #12, 19th Floor Courtroom Deputy: Tana Ingle Last Updated: Jan 1 2013 4:02PM It show that it will be picked up again on Monday, Feb 11 2013 10:00AM – CIVIL LAW AND MOTION 3:12-cv-05038-TEH – Vega v. United States of America et al Motion Hearing 01:30PM – CASE MANAGEMENT CONFERENCES 3:12-cv-00229-TEH – Yordy v. Plimus, Inc et al Case Mgmt Conference Further 3:12-cv-02678-TEH – Tucker v. Gill et al Case Mgmt Conference Further 3:12-cv-05202-TEH – Huston v. Affinity Medical… Read more »

any update on the proposition 35 a decision cuz you said it’s going back to court on February 11th but the
stay it’s only until January 11th

Steve …. This is copied from Megan’s Law website. Says until further notice. I think this means just that …. No?

ATTENTION: November 9, 2012 Federal Court orders temporary stay of law enforcement collection of registered sex offenders e-mail(s), screen name(s), and internet service provider(s) pursuant to Proposition 35, the Californians Against Sexual Exploitation (CASE) Act. Until further notice, the DOJ and local law enforcement will not require registrants to submit this specific information.

bump
it now April 30 2013 any follow up on this ?

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