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Tiered Registry Bill Stopped by Appropriations Committee

The Appropriations Committee of the California Assembly today stopped further consideration of the tiered registry bill, AB 702, this calendar year.  There was no discussion of the bill nor was a vote taken.  Instead, Chairman Mike Gatto (Democrat, Los Angeles) decided to “hold the bill” in the committee’s suspense file.
 
“This is a sad day for registrants in California,” stated CA RSOL President Janice Bellucci.  “Because of this decision, California will remain 1 of only 4 states in the nation that has a lifetime registry for all registrants.”
 
The tiered registry bill could be considered in 2014, however, it will face consideration by the same committee next year as well. 
 
“Dozens of registrants and members of their families showed up, stood up and spoke up in support of the tiered registry bill,” Bellucci stated.  “Their voices were held in the State Capitol at a critical time.”
 
CA RSOL will continue to monitor state legislation affecting registrants and members of their families throughout 2013.  Reports will be provided to members via this website as well as by E-mail.  
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You can watch the Appropriations Committee hearing on Video on Demand here: http://calchannel.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=7&clip_id=1318

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I think again we are attacking the issue from the wrong angle. We shouldn’t be just contacting our legislators but holding our churches accountable for not stepping up and standing up for what they preach and teach. The Gospel is quite clear about redemtion and the registry is a cold hard slap in the face of God and the idea of redemptions. We need a grass roots effort from the base within our individual cammunities. Every RSO and/or their family members need to get into their city councils face as well as their preacher’s face! We have a list to… Read more »

AND AS THE ASSEMBLY avoids any relief for SOs, the Senate is moving a bill to toughen penalties against some sex offenders:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/political/la-me-pc-sex-offender-track-20130528,0,4946229.story

(Sorry, I just didn’t see any place else where I could inform people.)

* link edited by Moderator *

Is it too late to introduce a similar bill into the Senate for 2013?

Well, Mike Gatto’s actions don’t even make sense. Anyone with any intellectual capital would realize that this tiered registry would do more good than bad. Highly disturbing and purely political.

I called Mr. Gatto’s office, and they said that they didn’t have any record of it and refereed me to the office of the bill’s author, Tom Ammiano. I called his office and spoke with a very nice woman there who explained to me that AB 702 was pulled and non longer in ‘suspension’ and that because it wasn’t ‘read out’ today that it can still come back to the floor in January. Because of that it’s a ’2 year bill’. She said that it didn’t pass today because of Republicans and moderate Democrats who are against the bill. (BIG… Read more »

Excellent followup JH. That is critical followup. And even more is needed. Find out the specifics of what the various lawmakers felt about it. That can only help to know how to proceed again. It doesn’t necessarily mean to cave to anything they say, but you will not be persuasive nor have a strategy to override them or their concerns or to co-opt their argument or them and bend it to our goals if you don’t get all the details about that. I realize CA RSOL was crushed when this action came down today, but I still find it disappointing… Read more »

This is sadly why I’ve lost any reasonable expectation of fairness in legislative processes involving the registry. I made about 150 calls in a period of 5 months to the appropriations committee members. I was able to speak to a few rational individuals, but I held no confidence this would see the floor. When the multitude of other bills have far less documentation, studies, and rational disclosures that nonetheless gets to see a vote, issues involving relaxation of effects of the sex offender registry will rarely get a second look. Perhaps it is time to address this from a judicial… Read more »

There’s no political gain for them in passing it, that’s why they didn’t, pure and simple. Victims are sympathetic and passing legislature in their name gets votes. Passing legislature that helps those they’ve already demonized is not going to get any political gain for them. I think it’s time for a couple of things. First, the public needs to somehow find out the truth about registration, registrants, recidivism rates, and the cost of all of the bad legislature that’s been passed before. Maybe CARSOL can have a fundraiser to put out factual information to the public via mass media in… Read more »

I have been saying we sue the sons of bitches in mass forever! No…just John Doe…whatever, well guess what that is NOT working and will never work or make any real change!!

WAKE UP POEPLE

I wish what you propose were a possibility. But the state Supreme Court has already ruled that there is nothing punitive about SOR. In fact, they overturned two previous state Supreme Court rulings to the contrary in order to make their decision. They are not going to rule otherwise. This is why the legislature is the ONLY possibility. And incredible amount of every conceivable argument has already been brought before the state courts for nearly two decades now — the volume of cases is astounding — and all shot down — not by truth or reasonable judgement, but by clear… Read more »

Thanks to Janice’s encouragement, I will be starting school this September to begin earning a degree as a certified paralegal so that I can aid in the judiciary capacities. I’ll spend an extra year earning a second major that will allow me to transfer to law school, so I can go for a law degree. In the meantime, I plan to continue in the legislative arena, educating the politicians, as well as the general public. I will continue to petition support and lobby for or against bills pertaining to the registry and unfair SO laws. Allow me to say this… Read more »

I would like to interject another thought: We now have 7 more months to educate and lobby for this bill. It isn’t dead yet. The first thing we should all do is write a letter to Tom Ammiano, thanking him and his staff and letting them now that we are still behind them 110% on this bill. Tom Ammiano P.O. Box 942849 Room 3146 Sacramento, CA 94249-0017 The next thing we should do is continue our efforts to educate the assembly members. We should all be sending letters every couple of weeks, making phone calls periodically…etc…especially to the Appropriations Committee… Read more »

We didn’t lose a war. We lost a battle. There are going to be other battles. Two years ago, we had nothing. We just took our beatings in the legislature with absolutely nothing to defend ourselves. Today we didn’t make progress, but we are WAY more organized and can see a vision for some real progress. I am certainly disappointed at today’s outcome, but it’s not like we can stop fighting this war. The other side isn’t going to stop until we’re all in little Miracle Villages. Let’s walk this off and work harder.

I agree! I can’t help but wonder what would have been the out come if Our For Fathers had not continued to battle the Mightiest empire of their time. BTW THIS battle is far from over.

So sad. I was hopeful …

I believe this is the same thing that happened to AB602. It eventually made it to the floor. Someone above mentioned there has to be enough proof by now that there are punitive effects from registration. Is the judiciary an option?
By the way, Gotto voted against AB602 so there isn’t much of a surprise he didn’t back 702.

I just looked up the history of AB 625. It was introduced in February 2011, had to pass Public Safety, then had to pass Appropriations before finally reaching the Assembly Floor in January 2012. Actually, this is starting to look like business as usual. In fact, we need to start pounding the Capitol even harder between now and January. I will defer to Janice and the other board members at the CA RSOL of course, but if there is anyone else in the Sacramento area then I encourage you to join us in the lobbying effort. I’m far from finished.… Read more »

Thank you for your encouraging words and continued enthusiasm, MH! California RSOL worked very hard supporting AB 702 and it was discouraging to see it stopped so abruptly today. I think a lesson to learn from this is that it is very difficult to stop a “system” (the lifetime registry) that is more than 50 years old. California RSOL will continue its efforts toward the goal of a tiered registry. You can count on that! We now have at least 7 months to plan for its reconsideration next year. Let’s make good use of that time by showing up, standing… Read more »

OK…that explains that public employee wasting taxpayers money
today…wow…this california registration punitive scam will be the
showcase of proof it has been massive millions & millions of dollars
waste….misleading ….punitive…scam….taking more taxpayers money
on a scheme that doesn’t work….the next “sex “crime won’t be from
someone on a list…there is no money to be made on that kind of
information …..anyways….this california registration punitive scam will
will be its own greedy downfall….greed will lose …and STOP wasting
taxpayers money following ….youre fired.

My mom called this a.m. and she was excited to let me know that Gatto’s office assured her that it would be released from suspense today. Needless to say, like everyone else, I was rather surprised to see the headline here tonight. Wow. Just wow. How is it that in this democracy one man – Gatto – has the power to stop a measure that reflects the will of the people before the legislative body has a chance to vote on it? How third world can this guy get? I do not want to cast gloom over our efforts. I… Read more »

From what I gather, Gatto did this because the Democrats knew they did not have the votes on the Assembly floor to pass it and did not want to have to cast votes that would only come back to hurt them, even devastate them. That is, from what I gather, this was not just one man doing this, he apparently did what his party and the Assembly leaders wanted, blocked it from getting to the floor where they feared it would only serve as devastating campaign fodder against the Democrats. In the face of voters consistently casting 80%+ or more… Read more »

This is a pretty logical explanation, but I note that the Republican Caucus made no mention of it on their web site. The opposition to the bill was very weak in committee. Perhaps they were playing possum hoping that the Dems would pass the bill. It’s hard to say. We need some color from Ammiano. And, most importantly, we need to work this. We need Republican support and we need to line up moderate Democrats in Southern and Central California.

Yep.

Ya know…All this talk of ‘victory’, and ‘winning the war’..Is that the BEST CA RSOL and it’s members hope for, and can do? ‘Victory’ for everyone in CA RSOL simply means aligning with AWA, whether officially or not, becoming ‘compliant’. John Walsh doesn’t even have to work the crowd in CA. IS that what everyone is willing to settle for? No wonder we’re losing, and if you hadn’t noticed, we’re losing badly.

…and you are helping?

Sigh…They’re are a LOT of ways to help and support a cause crosman, I’d say I do my bit. How long have YOU been in the cause, how MANY organizations have YOU been a part of sport? I’ve been involved since before CA RSOL EXISTED. No, I have’t lobbied in Sacramento, or gone to any of the RSOL meetings, I’m basically stuck in a 3rd world country 7,000 miles away. But believe me, I’ve been a part of the movement for some time, and by the look of things, I’ll be doing this for awhile longer. In case you missed… Read more »

So you have a 647.6 conviction and if this bill passed you are looking at an EXTRA 10 years? Given that 647.6 is (erroneously – but that is another topic of discussion) placed in Tier II with a 20 year requirement, you are SUPPOSED to get off in 10 years otherwise? How? Please share. If you are talking about getting a Certificate of Rehabilitation, you are ELIGIBLE to PETITION after 10 years, this is true. One, this bill has no impact on the COR Process, so there is nothing that says you could not still go that route. Second, I… Read more »

Why, why did Ammaino come up with 647.6 being singled out as automatically a Level 2 assignment, eligible for 20 years off the bat? ^47.6 is a MISDEMEANOR, a cath-all, east to score conviction, affecting 100’s, maybe 1,000’s of Californians. It like writing a Bill with all people convicted of jaywalking, giving them life in prison, or the death sentence. It makes no sense, and I have yet to hear it’s been addressed or brought up as a ‘tweek’ to the Bill. Singling out a persons misdemeanor conviction, and assigning it a automatic Level 2, 20 years on the registry,… Read more »

Look, Tom’s Chief of Staff told us that Gatto wants to make sure we have majority support from the Democrats. We have 7 months to try and educate them and win support. And I wouldn’t say we’re “losing badly”, Janice has been scoring many a victory on the judicial front. Things are not going to change overnight. But things WILL change eventually. And I’m sorry, but abolishing the registry is nt going to happen anytime soon either. This is something that must be chipped away at, piece by piece. I’m going to do my part. Does anyone have any suggestions… Read more »

Rather than get my hopes up on what politicians do, I keep my mind open and curious for what I can do for myself and others. We know by history and experience that the solution for RSO’s will be more legal than political; we know that it’s up to each of us to find our own solution to lifetime registry and share that with others. When I read of small victories, I rejoice; when I read of defeats, I go on about my business, for a defeat doesn’t change my situation at all, but a victory, no matter how small… Read more »

I too thank you Janice, Frank,MH, and all the others I had the great privilege of being with on Capitol Hill April/May. You are truly wonderful folks.

Dave, everyone understands how you feel. I too went to the Philippines for some time, hoping the laws would change while I was gone. But when I heard that the US and Australian governments were trying to “help” the Philippine government setup their sex offender tracking program I realized that this problem is just going to follow me around. While I don’t disagree with your feelings, I recognize that we do not have the higher ground, that we must accept the battlefield as it lies and fight on the enemy’s turf, by their rules, and their premise. No, its not… Read more »

Alright, so say some sort of tiered system (ala AWA) in finally put in place. Two things..One, I can see the powers that be dusting off their hands, congratulating each other, and packing it up and calling it mission accomplished, CA is now ‘reformed’. Big, nice addition to a resume. For any REAL, permanent change, a person(s) have to be willing to see the job through, all the way to the end. If you’re going to do something, do it right. Second, the politicians themselves, if for whatever reason, allow a tiered registry, will then turn around ans say, we… Read more »

I generally agree. Yes, many things can be dealt with piecemeal, a little at a time and build. But not everything. Overcoming SOR is one of the rare matters that is not going to happen in small increments. If the politicians touch this third rail of politics once, they are not going to do it again, not for generations at least. Some things can be addressed incrementally, but some things can’t, and unfortunately, this SOR is one of the latter. In fact, one of the reasons you can’t get the Democrats to come on board now is because they still… Read more »

Dave, I understand your sentiments. I really, really do. I felt the same way before diving into this myself. Its the way Democracy is supposed to work. Plus we have more sympathizers than meets the eye. Assemblyman Achadjian is finally starting to soften his face toward us after meeting with Frank Lindsey, another RSO, AND the father of that RSO’s victim. Achadjian said he never realized that there was no way off the registry. This is a man who none of us ever thought would change his mind. And we’ll keep proposing bills and supporting the ones that help us,… Read more »

If all the politicians are afraid of “being easy on offenders” why don’t we propose a bill that gives it back to the courts to decide who’s on for life. Politicians are off the hook and decisions about individuals are back where they belong.

…or keep the bill we have and add to it that we have to go back to court for a judges final approval.

All California judges are politicians. From Superior Court to Supreme Court–they all face elections.

Any chance we can get Patty Wetterling to come to california to lobby? She has been outspoken on what the registry has become. I will buy her ticket.

I’d like to see Patty Wetterling come to the upcoming RSOL Convention in CA.

@dbradford – May 26, 2013 at 12:31 am (can’t reply to that comment) – I think someone in these comments ventured a guess why 647.6 was included in Tier 2 and I would have to agree – it is entirely the Heading of the Section: Annoy and MOLEST a CHILD under 18. I believe that is correct. Someone in Sacramento saw the word “Molest” and let their imagination run wild. We all know that there are sections for actual sexual conduct, under 18, 16, 14, 10. I know that 647.6 is catch-all for any kind of behavior that might “annoy”… Read more »

This Bill is wrong! I agree with Bradford that there should be no list whatsoever. You do your time you move on. Basically my entire family, Mother, Father, Sons, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts and any other relatives are feeling the affects of this list. It’s time to step it up a notch in my opinion. The people on this site seem pretty well organized. Well here is a thought, organize sit ins on these peoples front lawns. I’m not talking about a couple scary looking guys in trenchcoats hanging out in front of a Politicians house. I’m talking about taking entire… Read more »

Don’t make the perfect the enemy of the good. We are making progress and getting better organized. A legislative battle (win or lose) is far from the end of the war. If we go for the perfect legislation right now, we have zero chance. If we go for good legislation, it is within reach. Then we learn from that, organize some more and make more progress next time. That is how every single civil rights issue in the US has made progress and that is how we will make progress.

Right on! And you know what? I’ve been playing around with some scenarios in my mind. I’m not sure if any of us realized that the floor deadline was next Friday. If this bill had passed Appropriations and reached the floor, we wouldn’t have had near enough time for an extensive lobbying effort as we had thought. Perhaps this delay is more a blessing in disguise? I mean, we do have 7 months now to continue educating the legislators and their staffs. And we can continue lobbying the Appropriations committee in the meantime as well. To me, its feeling less… Read more »

Jeff, it all sounds good in theory but I’m sure the media would spin it back around on us and the politicians would find a legal loophole to have us all arrested. If I had time I dig it up in the law myself just to illustrate that its a likely possibility. A campaign like that could easily backfire. And once again, I’m sorry but abolishing the registry is NOT going to happen anytime soon. Maybe someday we can abolish the public Megan’s Law website, but I seriously doubt the registry will ever go away completely. It would be easier… Read more »

How could protesting be against the law? If you are not on parole or probation you can protest together and if they did arrest the protestors in front of their wives and children think of what a mess that would be. I say we camp out on Adam Walsh’s doorstep. And make him feed us.

The problem Jeff, is that we would picketing in private neighborhoods where ordinances vary from municipality to municipality. Not to mention the many presence restrictions that Janice is trying to combat, which are still in effect in some cities and counties. And there are laws about public nuisance, disturbing the peace, noise restrictions, privacy laws, trespassing laws….etc…and you must keep in mind, that making a demonstration in a private neighborhood is far different from picketing in front of Wal-Mart. If a mob of people set foot on my private lawn, I’d call the police and have them removed. Then I… Read more »

Registry benefits:

No neighbor’s screaming brats playing outside your windows.
Mates to celebrate your birthday with plus a free photo op.
Quiet, peaceful,and inexpensive Halloweens.
No girl scout salesgirls beating on your door and pestering you to buy cookies.
A true lifetime contract that never expires.
Free notoriety for you and your family.
Kindly officials who make sure you know where you live.

And so much more!

LOL! I don’t know if your intention was humor or sarcasm (or both), but that gave me a laugh that I needed!

Gee Alert… Thanks to your optimistic observation, I now feel like I’m in an exclusive and privileged group of celebrities. One of .003% of California’s population.

@mike – I must take issue with your math… with a population of 38 million and 100,000 registrants in the Golden State, the percentage of the overall population required to register is 0.3%. (100,000/38,000,000=.003=>.3%). Another way to skin this cat… there are 100,000 CA registrants. 99% are male adults. The CA population is 38 million, half male, 3/4 over the age of 18 => 0.7% of adult male California residents are required to register. 100,000*.99/38,000,000*.5*.75=.7% In other words, 1 in 141 adult California males is on the sex offender registry for life. Assuming you are a male over 18 –… Read more »

This comment of mine is a bit of an aside to this thread, but not to the post immediately above. The number of people REQUIRED to register in California is bandied about as anywhere from about 80,000 to maybe 120,000. I cannot for one minute believe even the higher number. It just can’t be so, can’t be even close. And the fact that even the state Justice Department can’t seem to come up with a definitive number, and can’t seem to back up any number of promulgates at any time, makes my deeply suspicious. ANYONE convicted of any of the… Read more »

FROM MEGAN’S LAW HOMEPAGE: ‘Specific home addresses are displayed on more than 41,529 offenders. An additional 11,965 offenders are included on the site with listing by ZIP Code, city, and county. Pursuant to Penal Code § 290.46, information on approximately 30,118 other offenders is not included on this site and cannot be posted online, but is known to law enforcement personnel.’ I don’t know how often this gets updated or if these numbers include minors that are registered. I came to a total of 83,612 (Joe?). It’s fascinating that the estimated national registry has remained unchanged at 750,000 for so… Read more »

And mind you, even if those numbers on the Website are correct, that is simply who have actually registered, How many more are required to register but have not, for any number of reasons, whether they are in nursing homes, or don’t even realize they have to register because no one told them when this was all made retroactive, or maybe just because they skipped out and haven’t been tracked down, or maybe because they moved here from another state where they no longer had to register and don’t even realize they have to register here for life, or …… Read more »

Through their indecencies we are being forged into a strong minority group. Some day soon their ignorant comments will be met by universal condemnation and we will be the ones that stand for community, decency and healing.

Do you know that sex offender registry is unconstitutional in Canada? How can we get rid of this horrible labeling in this country? The number is getting larger and larger everyday. This is a life sentence. Please tell me how I can help. This task is my number one priority to this task.
We should not give up. We should continue . Even the psychiatrists are agreeing that this registry does more harm and good and puts every one for a little mistake in the list. Please don’t give up. Let me know what I can do to help.

On what grounds do you believe it is unconstitutional in Canada? I’ve looked into this and find nothing stating it has been done away with.

Sima, we welcome you to the “family” of registrants, family members and supporters. Your help is needed to educate the public about what is truly happening to registrants. That could start with family members and friends if they don’t already know. You can also attend monthly meetings held throughout the state. You can write letters to elected officials. You can challenge sex offender ordinances in your city and/or county. And of course you can make a financial donation to CA RSOL so that we can not only keep doing what we are already doing but increase our level of activity… Read more »

Joe, I’m gonna borrow your statistics. 1 out of 141 people on the registry makes California a very unattractive place to live, work, go to school or start a business. And of course, unless we can makes some legislative changes, that figure will continue bloating.

Clearly we’re neither sufficiently organized or endowed to have much impact on these issues, even when what’s in the interests of RSOs and their families is consistent with the public interest. A MASSIVE PR campaign must be launched. It would come at a cost of millions of dollars. I suggest we do a better job organizing, including rallying every RSO and supporter we can find. For many of them, we have their addresses already… People will need to donate time and money as they can to pull this off. It may take a long time, but with a PR blitz… Read more »

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