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Victims not keen on long prison terms

A survey that a crime victims’ group described as the first of its kind in California yielded some findings contrary to conventional wisdom Thursday: Most victims question the benefits of imprisoning more criminals and prefer rehabilitation, education and Gov. Jerry Brown’s realignment program. “This report turns on its head the notion that victims care only about tough-on-crime sentences,” said Lenore Anderson, director of Californians for Safety and Justice, the nonprofit that commissioned the poll. Full Article

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  1. alert

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  2. Anonymous Nobody

    I have to go along with Alert, as it seems most times when a group with an agenda pays for a survey, “surprisingly” the results come out to support their point of view.

    Nonetheless, I do believe there is great misunderstanding of the public outlook about crime and punishment, and the Legislators are reacting based on this misunderstanding. I think the public outlook is far more nuanced than the politicians and others believe. I do not think the public generally has a hard core attitude about harsh punishment for crime across the board. I believe the public makes distinctions, is only hard core about hard core offenses, which would be serious felonies.

    This is why I have argued for years that in seeking relief for SOR, the politicians can be swayed to at least eliminate it for misdemeanors, which by definition are minor offenses. The public doesn’t even know misdemeanants have to register, and I know the public would not support SOR for misdemeanants. Gee, I have argued with the Los Angeles Times repeatedly about their absolute refusal to acknowledge in their news coverage that SOR applies to misdemeanants. They just won’t do it, even dared to argue back that nearly no one has to register simply for a misdemeanor, that they either also committed a felony that requires registration or shortly after their misdemeanor committed a felony SO so have to register for that anyway! This is completely false, but they insist this is what the state Justice Department insists. They use this false argument to support the idea that there is no point in even mentioning that misdemeanants have to register. And so the public doesn’t even know minor offenders are caught up in this.

    This is just background on why I argue that the push for tiers at the state level should not be putting misdemeanors in a tier of 10 years, most especially the misdemeanors that can get a certificate of rehabilitation in 7 years, that is, the ones the law already considers the least of the least of misdemeanors. This is why I push to argue to the legislators to simply conform to federal, because the feds don’t even require minor offenses to register, and that point to conform is VERY sellable. And once done, we can then stop being distracted by the state, since we will be at the minimum the state can do, and instead focus all resources on fighting the federal rules.

    We should NOT be arguing for a completely separate state system, one that is far more draconian than the federal requirement, arguing for a tier system with terms of SOR that are just plain indefensible! We should be arguing to conform. That is a VERY sellable argument. It provides cover for the politicians in voting for it. It eliminates many offenses from SOR. And it allows all guns to be pointed at the feds to overwhelm them.

  3. Thoughtasweak

    My daughter tried for months to get the DA to offer a plea of 2-4 yrs. DA didn’t want to offer it because it was her agenda to stick it to all SO’s. She said daughter was too young to understand what she wants – who is btw 16!

    Then when daughter didn’t want to testify the DA bullied her. The detectives tried to get CPS to take my daughter Away because I was supporting him and after trial, the DA was retaliating against me because I retracted some of my statement saying that daughter was in a hostile environment.

    Same office pursued charges against a man even though they know the kids were lying, and has been heard saying they don’t care if he isn’t guilty, they only want a conviction.

    The legal system is corrupt! They will also go after anyone who challenges them

    • td777

      While I was in jail, I heard a similar story. A man was accused of forcibly raping his 10 and 12 year old step daughters for 6 years. CPS stepped in immediately and took the girls to a foster home because their mother refused to believe that her husband had done this.

      It turns out, the girls were mad because he didn’t let them go to a friend’s house when they wanted, and got the idea of accusing him from watching Law and Order:SVU (which I consider the worst filth on TV). The 10 year old later recanted the accusation on the stand during pretrial and told the truth. The 12 year old refused to answer anything in that hearing. The medical exam inflicted(I use this because these exams are tantamount to rape in my opinion) on the girls showed the girls had no evidence of ever being molested or raped, much less forcibly raped since the ages of 4 and 6 by a grown man. This meant the entire case was based on the girls’ accusation alone.

      The following week, the police detective visited the foster home and took the 12 year old girl into a room with a male uniformed officer and spoke without a child advocate present(required by law). The detective threatened the girl with jail herself for making a false accusation if she didn’t cooperate with the police to help convict her stepfather.

      In the end, she did cooperate with the police, though not as much as they tried to get her to, but they were able get a conviction(no jury is going to let such an accusation go without conviction).

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