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Annual Registration: I just went for my annual registration in OC. I literally had to read about the 5 -day statue. Is it 5-working days or 5 days period. Its 5-working days.

I showed up on a Monday morning, office was empty and the woman was dressed in an almost uniform. This was my first time to see this. The women in the office (3) all looked up? I’ve been registering here for a long time. The woman greeted me, was very business like and kind of acts like you don’t know what your doing. I took the paper and filled it out in about 15 minutes. Some people ask for proof of residence? I’ve been asked in the past and sometimes not? If OC does 1-2 (they do in my neighborhood) compliance checks a year, why do they need this?

A few other individuals walked in after me (background checks) and the wait was terrible. I was eventually allowed to give finger prints via a scanner/computer and then these are sent to the FBI to verify me? After another 10-15 minutes, she asked me to come back in, took a photo and gave me a copy of the registration with the receipt and a finger print on this. She literally stated that I must carry this receipt around with me or I could be arrested? I have a graduate degree, I’m very educated and very aware of the laws. I have read NO WHERE that this is a law! I offered a rebuttal, but she confirmed this? I didn’t find her overly educated and left and kept it. This was rather disturbing. I also asked for a few clarifications regarding the laws! She recommended I call SONAR.

In summary, the entire process took (I’m very serious/2 hours and 15 minutes?). I found this to be very disturbing. There were no lines and I can only wonder how anyone who works a full time job can make the time to get into OC and manage this? I came prepared, was diligent and didn’t mess around? So, I might recommend filing a lawsuit to make the OC Department open up on the weekends? I’m serious. Or, perhaps provide sex offenders a more timely manner in which they can remain employed and register?

Here is another thought. I asked to use the restroom? Read this Janice. If you are there for 2 hours or more, you need a restroom. They woman told me that I could use the park restroom across the street? Well, doesn’t Santa Ana have a ban on sex offenders visiting parks or libraries?

I’ve also registered before and its taken 3 hours or more? So, here is food for thought. Sue OC to have more access to restrooms while registering and speed up the process? Any thoughts? This war wont be won with stupidity, but rather with the use of intellectual capital!

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I just did my annual registration here in OC! 2 hours? No one else was there. The woman gave me a receipt and told me I must keep it on me at all times? Is this a law? She told me if I didn’t have it on me, I would be arrested?

yeah thats pretty normal… LB use to have a ID card with a thumbprint no photo of it, than they now make you carry a 2 pages of paperwork that you have to manage folding it up and stick it in your wallet and carry it until next year… So far no cop ever asked to see my paperwork, hell its not even readable after being folded in a wallet… but it states on the bottom in bold print “Failure to keep this on you at all times will result in your arrest”

@USA – Are you referring to Form S-8072? Look in the top left corner. Is it a quarter of a page, your information with a thumb print on it? Does it say you must carry it at all times? Does it cite the source / PC Section? If you are required to have it on you at all times, if failure to do so can result in arrest and prosecution, it would have to be a law, and thus, would have to be spelled out in the California Penal Code. This is what I am seeing: PC 290.015 describes registration… Read more »

Hi Joe:

Your not a lawyer, but you’ve been the source of some really good and pertinent information. And I thank you!

Really! I never heard of that.
I could see it if you had no regular ID.
Perhaps this law can be challenged as preempted by state law.

Wouldn’t a tattoo be better.
What if you forget your wallet one day or your’re out swimming?

I thought I remembered… my memory may be shot but not completely (yet). A few years ago there was a bill in the legislature requiring certain registrants to carry ID at all times while in public, by everyone’s fave Paul Cook (“Assemblyman Cook stated, “Requiring the most dangerous sex offenders to carry a form of identification is the most effective way for law enforcement to determine a suspect’s registration status. Most registered sex offenders will reoffend, which means we have to take a proactive approach when dealing with the worst of the worst.””). It died fairly quickly in the Assembly.… Read more »

All I’ve ever got is a small piece of paper with my thumb print a little more information identifying me as a registrant. The paper stock is the cheapest I’ve ever seen! Every year it disintegrates after about three months because it’s so cheap. It’s a good thing I’ve never been asked for it because I don’t have it for most of the year.

As soon as I walk out the door from registering it’s in the garbage can. I don’t need to be reminded daily by carrying that waste around

Ditto. I tear that thing up and flush it down the toilet so I don’t accidentally leave it for someone to find.

I totally understand that!

There is NOTHING in 290 that says you must carry proof that you have registered. Anyone suggesting anything to the contrary is wrong. And if you get arrested on that basis, you have just lucked out — because you can then make a lot of money suing that police agency for false arrest and probably also for illegal harassment — and I really wish you would, just to teach them a lesson. In a previous post, I commented about how registrants can go to prison if they do not do something these idiots taking the registration tell them — if… Read more »

Important: There is NO state law that dictates that registrants carry any identification other than that required of any California citizen (such as driver’s license, etc.). While I’m not going to get into the intracies of the constitutional argument for carrying ANY identification, I just want to reiterate that there is no set requirement for registrants to carry around their “registration document(s).” If anyone has been told they have to carry around identification, then they should do the following. 1. Call up the registration office and confirm the requirement exists. 2. Get the ordinance number in writing. Either the registration… Read more »

What @Eric Knight said… he knows his stuff.

Thanks Eric: I’ve been told some questionable stuff! The most recent was I had to give my vehicle license information during a compliance/harassment check; which I found out is false. Another one is I was told if I move I have to report it to my current registration officer; I was told even if I move and register with the new agency and I don’t tell the officer at the area I’m moving away from I could/will go to prison. Any info/experience on that? My gut tells me it’s just some more misinformation/harassment BS. I’m going to start checking when… Read more »

I’m speaking about the little piece of paper with your thumb print on it. I believe this is BS. I have never read anywhere citing you must carry this piece of paper with you? This is kind of getting like an ankle braclet. The woman was an idiot. Ive been registering there for like 12 years and never heard of this!

REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS – REGISTRANT IS REQUIRED TO READ AND INITIAL ALL REQUIREMENTS

Yes, but do I UNDERSTAND them ?

No

You are right. But in previous cases about whether a registrant has knowledge, the courts have ruled that you are wrong. BTW, there is no law requiring you to initial those notices when you register. Oh, they will raise high holy hell if you do not, but you do not need to. That is them trying to get evidence from you to be used against you in the future as a means of showing you had knowledge. But that is not your responsibility, and you do not have to initial it. They will have to find another way to prove… Read more »

Hi Anonymous Nobody:

I refused once around ten years back, and the registration witch did indeed go ballistic! I was told all sorts of really bad things were going to happen to me for refusing to initial and sign; none of them good. This was before CA-RSOL existed and I didn’t know anything about my rights at that time. I signed because I got tired of hearing her threats about some super secret agents coming after me that deal specifically with uncooperative and rebellious registrants that dare to have the gall to stand up for themselves.

We really need definitive answers on this paperwork.. its been going on for years and no clear answer on anything.. Who, what, when, and why?

Lake County Laminates the registration receipt and the compliance check officers sometimes ask to see it. I just tell them I don’t know where it is.

I used to carry mine in my wallet, but I hate to think if I lost my wallet and someone finds that in there. Besides, I have a drivers license. Don’t the cops have my vehicle, photo and license on file anyway? Besides, despite what the Supreme Court thinks, it wouldn’t get me in (Price Club) Costco. Kicked out of someplace, more likely.

The registration process where I live never takes over 45min, it’s usually no more than 30min. I had the same experience when I lived in Chino Hills. Both these offices were sheriff’s. When I lived in Ontario, and then Victorville the experience was similar to what you describe, both were city police departments doing the registration process. For some reason the city police departments are not as organized as the sheriff’s and seem to be less professional. I dont know why that is. But if the sheriff’s department can do it a quickly as they do and as professionally as… Read more »

Does anyone know the status of Doe v. Harris, 2013 WL 144048?

Because I thought that the injection against 290.014(b) was still in effect (the need to provide internet names). The link provided (http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/1/9/5.5/s290.014) seems to state that section 290.014(b) is in effect.

This only adds to the confusion of knowing what our requirements are for registering.

Proposition 35 became law the day following the 2012 election after getting 80+% of the vote. As such it is in the Penal Code. However, it was challenged the next day and an injunction was issued. The case was argued last September and is yet to be decided. I think a link to the oral argument audio was on this web site. Some people here advised the delay is due to personal circumstances of one of the judges. Who knows. It is taking forever, and one can only speculate as to what that might mean. Currently the home page of… Read more »

That is one thing good I have to say about San Diego county sheriff’s office. I make an appointment and I am in and out in about 15 to 20 minutes. They treat me respectfully and polite.

Same for LAPD here in the SFV . They are nicer to me than I am to them.
Courteous, but aloof. Short and sweet.

Same experience for me. I am guessing you are at the same place on a busy street with a lot of car dealerships?

So, here is the bottom line (Read Carefully). First, the CIty of Orange County should provide a fast and convenient manner in which Registrants can register! In summary, how could any full time employed worker take 2-3 hours off to register without losing their job? Furthermore, I wait at least 2-3 hours each time? THis is nuts! In addition, the individual (it’s someone different each time) processing this doesn’t seem to know what they are doing? THen, to top it off, any normal human being needs to have the use of a restroom? Each time I register, I break the… Read more »

Oh, BTW, re the requirement that you provide proof of residence, the state law, 290, requires that. That is not the local registering agency coming up with that. See the thread on Compliance Checks II for more comments about this — in fact, I comment there about 290 barring compliance checks. The way I read the appropriate section in 290 requiring you provide proof of residence when you register, that clause actually seems to bar compliance checks as it bars requiring anything other than the list of documents in 290 for proving residence, and that prohibition should include a compliance… Read more »

I just tore up and flushed the stinkin piece of crap paper!

I keep it as evidence. Everything they give me, I keep, whether I agree with it or not.

USA, I believe the reason it took so long and they directed you to the park to use restroom is retaliation for the recent decision allowing RSO’s back in county parks. If this wasn’t the reason then why would they say use the park restroom when we all know that is a hot topic in OC right now. The OC authorities are conservative right wingers who are angry and you were the one to get a dose of their frustration. Best luck and hopefully they can get a little more frustrated after Janice takes out another can of Whoop Ass… Read more »

You are already carrying around proof with you all the time. It is called a driver’s license. When asked for ID that is all that is required. They run your ID and it gives them all of the information about you, including being a RSO. You are NOT required to carry that. If you are stopped and asked for your ID you only give it to them as requested. DO NOT add or volunteer any information at all. Remember you are NOT a registered sex offender. You are classified by a governmental agency as one BUT that is only THEIR… Read more »

Good question: Does your license show your a sex offender if stopped? I had my plea/conviction expunged back in 2002 (battery) and I’ve been stopped 3 times since then? Never asked a thing?

Yes, running a license most certainly shows your criminal history and certainly that you are a RSO.

Just because they have not mentioned it doesn’t mean they don’t see it…however if your record was truly expunged it might not show up. Are you still required to register? If you ARE then Yes, it shows when they run your license.

If you get pulled over in a vehicle you own or have access to, there is already an NCIC “hit” on the vehicle. Before they even approach you to ask for ID, they already have your information up on their screen including the NCIC hit info.

I wonder… if there happens to be a cop car with one of those license plate scanners parked at my kid’s school and they see my wife or my dad leaving the school in one of my vehicles (their plates dutifully listed on my annual form of course)… and the plate scanner registers the hit… Would that be probable cause to pull my wife or dad over? I’m not sure how big the scanners are, or how likely it is that any particular cop car has them, but I’m sure eventually they’ll be portable enough that more and more cops… Read more »

@JesusH

Yes, they could pull the car over on probable cause if the reader SW alerts them to it for whatever their criteria is for doing so. They could pull over every car that is the same make and model as the one registered is how I would compare it if they needed to. It’d be a rude awakening for your dad or wife if they were in the scenario you stated, but one I’d hope never happened. If I am off, then someone here will correct me.

@JesusH: Whether or not the Thin Blue Liar could rely on Probable Cause doesn’t really matter, as the lower standard of Reasonable Suspicion could justify the stop. The TBL could readily supply the observations and facts that led to the suspicion and stop: RC-registered car, in a safety zone (if applicable to your jurisdiction), picking up a child. Under Reasonable Suspicion, the TBL could detain the vehicle for up to about 15 minutes without raising the eyebrows of any judge. Probable Cause has a slightly higher standard, but even under that the facts above would probably convince a judge the… Read more »

I often listen to my scanner. When they run your plate or ID in CA, they tell the officer if you have prior felonies, known gang member, drug offender (H&S (Health and Safety)) or that you are a 290 registrant.

I have a question or concern that perhaps someone with knowledge will answer. Last year our son moved. He notified both agencies, re-registered, and then updated his annual a month later on his b-day. No issues. This year on his annual (he is not on probation or parole) after the registration, he was told to wait for the “detective”. A detective came out and said that he always wants to meet with the registrants, and asked our son to follow him to the interrogation room. At first, our son was defensive, but felt like he had no choice. He was… Read more »

Sounds like he was on a fishing expedition. The longer they get you to talk the more chance they for you to slip up and reveal more personal information. Last week the pigs showed up for a residence compliance check (second one in less than 30 days). I was out by my roommate was home. It was a weekday and 11:30 AM. They asked him for his ID…they asked him if he “knew where I was”…which he didn’t since I was just out to the bank and the grocery store. Obviously they knew that I lived there as they had… Read more »

I, too, work for myself and often work from home, but I hate it (way too many distractions). If I have an office, am I required to give them the address? I’m inclined towards not doing so lest they show up. Historically they show up at my house roughly two weeks after my Price Club renewal, but last year they showed up 6 months later. I happended to be sitting in a parking lot nearby and, from my phone, watched my security camera live feed as they knocked a couple of times, then one checked my mailbox and said to… Read more »

@C Technically, yes to your work address. If it’s at home, isn’t it already listed, technically, but not stated as such? Splitting hairs… As for the LEOs checking your mailbox for the your name, is that not a postal code infraction? You have to look through the mail to find a piece with your name on it unless on is on top but then, I think it’s an illegal search, but no one seems to know for sure here: https://forum.officer.com/forum/public-forums/ask-a-cop/151010-question-for-any-postal-inspector-leo-opening-a-mailbox-to-check-residents-name I bet SCOTUS Justice Gorsuch would like this one if not decided. However, let’s signal @AJ with the bat signal… Read more »

@C: Yes, you have to supply the work address. If you work from home, you’re probably safest listing it again as your work address. We all know they’re drooling as they wait for us to trip up on some technicality. As for the their opening the mailbox and peeking, I give it a strong maybe. Were they to take, open or destroy any of the mail, that’s a whole different story. Depending on where you mail box is (such as attached to the house) and whether it has a door to conceal the contents, it’s probably trespassing…but of course trespassing… Read more »

Do they usually come so often to your house? If so, why?

@Tired Of Hiding:
“So never give them more information than required by law.”
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Which, unless you live in a positive ID State and/or are operating a motor vehicle, is nothing. There really are only three phrases to voice: 1) Am I being detained? 2) Am I free to go? 3) I do not consent to searches.

This doesn’t pass the “smell test” to me.
Being that this is the detective assigned to the registry and who’s job includes locating missing or out of compliance registrants, I can only assume they are building a lead file for that possible event.

Long time reader but first time commentator. First though, thank you to all who participate on this site. It has been very helpful throughout my struggles. I recently had my annual registration in San Bernardino County, Victorville. Last year, my first year in the city, I was told to fill out the city’s OffenderWatch paperwork (about 5 pages). I was naive and filled a lot of it but not all. It contained questions regarding email and social network sites. I left that section blank, among others. This time, I was given the same paperwork to fill out again. I then… Read more »

@ The Unforgiven: I hope you will come join us in Sacramento sometime. You’ll find it very empowering. It definitely boosts your confidence and will help you take back your life. 🙂👍

My husband was arrested tonight for not having a big enough copy of that paperwork in his wallet. Probation came to do a random search, searched his wallet, and found the paperwork, but he had shrunken it down so it fit in his wallet. They deemed it a probation violation and took him away in handcuffs. He’ll get ten days in county (no probation hearing) and another year added to his probation, which would’ve ended in August. Our lies have become a living hell. Anyway, I called a lawyer. He’s going to see what he can find out about the… Read more »

I have been doing that, i.e. shrinking the registration page down to billfold size, for years. I have also scanned it and have it at hand in my smartphone should any law enforcement demand it (to date, they never have). I am not on either probation or parole.

So I am very dismayed that your husband should have been arrested for having on his person proof-of-registration, shrunken or not.

This is demonstrably unjust.

Do you live in California?

I didn’t realize CA requires RCs to carry paperwork on for presentation. Is there anything that says one cannot reduce it or use a photocopy? Does the law say one must carry a legible copy? One in a certain sized print? This would seem to be an easy one for the lawyer to win, though that doesn’t undo the harms already suffered. Even if it’s a probation requirement to carry it, the questions remain as to what are the exact criteria. He was carrying it. That the LEO didn’t like the format or couldn’t read it probably isn’t the RC’s… Read more »

No, CA does not require RCs to carry paperwork. That doesn’t mean a parole or probation officer can’t require it, especially if a judge orders it.

AJ, It does not appear to be a requirement in California although, when I was first registering (about twenty-five years ago!) they (San Francisco) told me that I had to carry the wallet-sized card they issued afresh every year with me at all times. The card has long since disappeared from their registration repertoire, replaced by 8.5 x 11 sheets of paper that have only grown in number and in threatening messages which they carry. For a few years, I would shrink these down to impossibly tiny wallet-sized pieces on my photocopier which I then carried with me. Later, I… Read more »

AJ ~ The posts are from 2016, and I believe somewhere between then and now, CA no longer required the carrying of the registration form.

jd ,, I am very sorry to here what happed to you and yours , this is a new one , never even heard of such a thing , make sure you post full out come ,

I take mine and shred it every year. Screw carrying that bs around.

I do believe there is no requirement in California to have to carry papers saying you are a RSO.

I know I read somewhere that it is NOT a requirement any longer to carry the piece of paper. Your attorney needs to find that. I can’t believe they get away with this. Even if they agree that this is no longer a requirement, your husband will not get this time back. I hope you have a good attorney. This HAS to be fought.

Thank you all for your sympathy. I spoke to a lawyer AND sent a rather lengthy e-mail to my husband’s P.O. (who was not present during the search of our home) requesting clarification of what his violation actually was, along with a complaint about the unprofessional conduct of the team that searched the house. The P.O.’s supervisor called me ten minutes later (I think he was afraid I might file a formal complaint, which would launch an investigation). Anyway, the violation was that the paperwork was not “current” (He had recently updated his registration, but didn’t put the most recent… Read more »

Thank you for clarifying that this was a condition of probation / parole. There is NOTHING in the California Penal Code that requires a 290 registrant to carry a certain piece of identification.

Yes, it sounds like your husband needs to carry proof of registration with him in the shower also. I guess he will need to hold it above his head to keep it from getting soggy. Amazing how crazy some people can interpret laws. Maybe he should go back to court for a clarification of the judges requirement. That judge probably has no idea how insane his rulings can be interpreted.

He could simply have it tattooed across his forehead (sarcasm, of course). After all, that’s ultimately what the Chris Smiths and Lauren Books of the world will be pushing for anyway, right? 😡

I am attending college, this fall, after many years. First time registering with any campus police. This one is in Victorville – SBC. I brought nothing additional with me other than my CA ID and Student ID. I was told they needed my annual and/or registration receipt. Also told that the receipt was to be on my person at all times. I stated that, that information was incorrect and is not law. Returned home to grab those items and review the 290 code. Called my registration clerk. She said that the department now has a ‘policy’ that the receipt must… Read more »

Kern County is the same way , its just a good rule of thumb to cover your bases , I have never been asked for mine , but I always have it , they could be just bending the law for them selfs ,

They are totally bending the laws for themselves and I knew it. After I posted this here, I saw that this subject was currently being covered by Janice, among others, under the ‘Peaceful Protest in Oakland..’ header. Reposted there. I don’t carry it on me. I have no desire to be robbed, lose my wallet or whatever and have that information floating around. I understand where you’re coming from though. My thinking is that they demand me to follow the laws so shouldn’t they as well?

There seems to be no consequences for them to make things up, so they make up things. I think the police culture today says police are the law, and the legislators and judiciary give them a free pass. Hey, isn’t that what registration is?

Been registering since 1994 and was never told I have to keep any of the paperwork with me. In fact, I’ve always made a point to destroy it because 1) It makes me sick to my stomach to see it and, 2) I don’t need it to fall into enemy hands. Last month I bought a new truck and it had all the gadgets from satellite radio to OnStar. I can unlock and even start my vehicle from my phone. Cool stuff, but privacy is so dead, not just for RSOs but anyone who loves on the grid. If they… Read more »

C: You say this: “Been registering since 1994 and was never told I have to keep any of the paperwork with me. In fact, I’ve always made a point to destroy it because 1) It makes me sick to my stomach to see it and, 2) I don’t need it to fall into enemy hands.” That has always been my feeling as well. 26 years of this crap now. I never even doubted that our system would be honest and up front with our compliance. Now I’m looking into my history of registration and found out that CA. shows a… Read more »

@ “C”: (Hmmm, at sea?🤔) The police in my city have a ALPRs (automated license plate readers) attached to the front bumpers of their cars. As they drive along, the ALPRs instantly read and photograph every license plate , store the image, and run other plate number through a database I recently requested of copy of the ALPR records for my vehicle. The report they sent me showed photographs of my car as well as street addresses of everywhere the car had been located. So I am tempted to tell the police, for my next residency compliance check, to simply… Read more »

That’s a great idea for all of us to do in those areas that have the readers. Also keep in mind that the USPS has a copy of all of our mail covers with the info on who sends us mail. If you sign up for informed delivery, they will email this info to you daily. It is regularly shared with law enforcement with no warrant required.

I thought this “law” about carrying the registration card was abolished? I am pretty sure Orange County does not require it anymore, but I would like input from others.

There was never a law that you had to carry it. It never said that anywhere in the 290 penal code. Some cops just thought that was the rule. Now if you’re on probation or parole they can require you to follow just about any rule they want to make up.

The worst I ever had it was Colorado Springs, CO. I had to register there 3 times. It never took me less than 6 hours even for an address update with no photo. Their website even says expect to wait 6-8 hours! They aren’t joking. They have a large waiting room for everyone and everything from someone picking up property, the guy reporting a crime, to registrants. The only difference is registrants have to sign a red clipboard underneath a big red sign that says “SEX OFFENDERS” Eventually someone will come out pick up the red clipboard and yell out… Read more »

Trapped, Your description of registering in Colorado Springs more-or-less comports with my expectations for that exemplary city “Focused,” as it is, “On the Family.” Glad you’re in a more accommodating part of the state, now.

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