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Annual Registration Procedure

Annual Registration: I just went for my annual registration in OC. I literally had to read about the 5 -day statue. Is it 5-working days or 5 days period. Its 5-working days.

I showed up on a Monday morning, office was empty and the woman was dressed in an almost uniform. This was my first time to see this. The women in the office (3) all looked up? I’ve been registering here for a long time. The woman greeted me, was very business like and kind of acts like you don’t know what your doing. I took the paper and filled it out in about 15 minutes. Some people ask for proof of residence? I’ve been asked in the past and sometimes not? If OC does 1-2 (they do in my neighborhood) compliance checks a year, why do they need this?

A few other individuals walked in after me (background checks) and the wait was terrible. I was eventually allowed to give finger prints via a scanner/computer and then these are sent to the FBI to verify me? After another 10-15 minutes, she asked me to come back in, took a photo and gave me a copy of the registration with the receipt and a finger print on this. She literally stated that I must carry this receipt around with me or I could be arrested? I have a graduate degree, I’m very educated and very aware of the laws. I have read NO WHERE that this is a law! I offered a rebuttal, but she confirmed this? I didn’t find her overly educated and left and kept it. This was rather disturbing. I also asked for a few clarifications regarding the laws! She recommended I call SONAR.

In summary, the entire process took (I’m very serious/2 hours and 15 minutes?). I found this to be very disturbing. There were no lines and I can only wonder how anyone who works a full time job can make the time to get into OC and manage this? I came prepared, was diligent and didn’t mess around? So, I might recommend filing a lawsuit to make the OC Department open up on the weekends? I’m serious. Or, perhaps provide sex offenders a more timely manner in which they can remain employed and register?

Here is another thought. I asked to use the restroom? Read this Janice. If you are there for 2 hours or more, you need a restroom. They woman told me that I could use the park restroom across the street? Well, doesn’t Santa Ana have a ban on sex offenders visiting parks or libraries?

I’ve also registered before and its taken 3 hours or more? So, here is food for thought. Sue OC to have more access to restrooms while registering and speed up the process? Any thoughts? This war wont be won with stupidity, but rather with the use of intellectual capital!

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  1. USA

    I just did my annual registration here in OC! 2 hours? No one else was there. The woman gave me a receipt and told me I must keep it on me at all times? Is this a law? She told me if I didn’t have it on me, I would be arrested?

    • Bluewall

      yeah thats pretty normal… LB use to have a ID card with a thumbprint no photo of it, than they now make you carry a 2 pages of paperwork that you have to manage folding it up and stick it in your wallet and carry it until next year… So far no cop ever asked to see my paperwork, hell its not even readable after being folded in a wallet… but it states on the bottom in bold print “Failure to keep this on you at all times will result in your arrest”

      • Joe

        @USA – Are you referring to Form S-8072? Look in the top left corner. Is it a quarter of a page, your information with a thumb print on it? Does it say you must carry it at all times? Does it cite the source / PC Section? If you are required to have it on you at all times, if failure to do so can result in arrest and prosecution, it would have to be a law, and thus, would have to be spelled out in the California Penal Code.

        This is what I am seeing:

        PC 290.015 describes registration procedure and documentation requirements. At the time of in-person registration (be that annual or after a change in residence or other events triggering the need to appear in person) the following must be provided:

        (1) A statement in writing signed by the person, giving
        information as shall be required by the Department of Justice and
        giving the name and address of the person’s employer, and the address
        of the person’s place of employment if that is different from the
        employer’s main address.
        (2) The fingerprints and a current photograph of the person taken
        by the registering official.
        (3) The license plate number of any vehicle owned by, regularly
        driven by, or registered in the name of the person.
        (4) Notice to the person that, in addition to the requirements of
        the Act, he or she may have a duty to register in any other state
        where he or she may relocate.
        (5) Copies of adequate proof of residence, which shall be limited
        to a California driver’s license, California identification card,
        recent rent or utility receipt, printed personalized checks or other
        recent banking documents showing that person’s name and address, or
        any other information that the registering official believes is
        reliable.

        That’s it for required identification for the rest of the year. Nowhere (that I see) does it say you must identify yourself – at your home during a compliance check or anywhere – specific to your 290 status. Nowhere does it say you must provide this particular registration receipt or the entire 2 pages of paperwork.

        (For those on Parole or Probation PC 290.85 requires that proof of registration be provided to the parole / probation officer within 6 days. “PC 290.85(d) For purposes of this section, “proof of registration” means a photocopy of the actual registration form.” For those on parole or probation only.)

        Anyone please chime in if I am missing something here. I am not a lawyer but (I think) I can read.

        You have obligations under PC 290. Read it. Know them. You have rights as an American Citizen / Resident. Know them. Exercise them.

        Useful links:

        PC 290
        http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=290-294
        or
        http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/290.html

        Registration Form (Year ????)
        http://www.sacsheriff.com/organization/field_&_investigative_services/centralized_investigations/290_requirements.pdf

        Registration Procedure (UCLA Police) see required paperwork towards the bottom
        http://www.ucpd.ucla.edu/policy/357Sex_offenders.pdf

        • Q

          Hi Joe:

          Your not a lawyer, but you’ve been the source of some really good and pertinent information. And I thank you!

    • wonderin

      Really! I never heard of that.
      I could see it if you had no regular ID.
      Perhaps this law can be challenged as preempted by state law.

      Wouldn’t a tattoo be better.
      What if you forget your wallet one day or your’re out swimming?

    • Joe

      I thought I remembered… my memory may be shot but not completely (yet).

      A few years ago there was a bill in the legislature requiring certain registrants to carry ID at all times while in public, by everyone’s fave Paul Cook (“Assemblyman Cook stated, “Requiring the most dangerous sex offenders to carry a form of identification is the most effective way for law enforcement to determine a suspect’s registration status. Most registered sex offenders will reoffend, which means we have to take a proactive approach when dealing with the worst of the worst.””).

      It died fairly quickly in the Assembly. So there.

      http://www.examiner.com/article/assemblyman-cook-introduces-bill-to-require-card-carrying-sex-offenders
      http://legiscan.com/CA/bill/AB1695/2011
      http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/asm/ab_1651-1700/ab_1695_bill_20120229_amended_asm_v98.html

    • Q

      All I’ve ever got is a small piece of paper with my thumb print a little more information identifying me as a registrant. The paper stock is the cheapest I’ve ever seen! Every year it disintegrates after about three months because it’s so cheap. It’s a good thing I’ve never been asked for it because I don’t have it for most of the year.

      • steve

        As soon as I walk out the door from registering it’s in the garbage can. I don’t need to be reminded daily by carrying that waste around

        • C

          Ditto. I tear that thing up and flush it down the toilet so I don’t accidentally leave it for someone to find.

        • Q

          I totally understand that!

    • Anonymous Nobody

      There is NOTHING in 290 that says you must carry proof that you have registered. Anyone suggesting anything to the contrary is wrong. And if you get arrested on that basis, you have just lucked out — because you can then make a lot of money suing that police agency for false arrest and probably also for illegal harassment — and I really wish you would, just to teach them a lesson.

      In a previous post, I commented about how registrants can go to prison if they do not do something these idiots taking the registration tell them — if what they were told happens to really be a requirement. I pointed out that how can we be jailed for that, since they are some of the most unreliable sources of information about 290, are completely unqualified — and unlicensed — to be giving legal advice and interpretation. This assertion that you must carry proof of registration is a prime example.

      I think it would be good if someone collected up all the examples of this false information registrants are told are requirements — to be used going forward to defend against even legitimate charges based on a registrant having “knowledge” of a requirement simply on the basis of these idiots telling them something, since these idiots are too unreliable to listen to about anything. You should not be able to be held to the “knowledge” standard simply on the basis of these idiots’ say-so.

      And again, I will say, the reason we are even having this conversation is because 290 is so impossibly voluminous — and I suspect possibly the most voluminous of any law — and rife with possibly the most appellate decisions of any law and of an endless number of little details that it simply is unconstitutionally vague. No one has “knowledge” or an understanding of the incredibly immense amount of details and requirements in 290. But registrants are going to prison for violating the most minute of those requirements.

  2. Eric Knight

    Important: There is NO state law that dictates that registrants carry any identification other than that required of any California citizen (such as driver’s license, etc.). While I’m not going to get into the intracies of the constitutional argument for carrying ANY identification, I just want to reiterate that there is no set requirement for registrants to carry around their “registration document(s).”

    If anyone has been told they have to carry around identification, then they should do the following.

    1. Call up the registration office and confirm the requirement exists.

    2. Get the ordinance number in writing. Either the registration officer sends it to you, or refers to it online. Print this information and bring it to a state RSO meeting.*

    3. If they can’t provide the ordinance number, then make sure you get the name of the person who told you and bring this information to a state RSO meeting.*

    If you are on probation or parole, you may have certain conditions that are directed by the court of sentencing that may require you to carry such ID, but that is ONLY if a court specifically mandates it.

    *I recognize that there is an overwhelming desire to wonder “what can Janice do about this?” Folks, SHE’S SWAMPED. She specifically maximizes her efficiency to help our cause in the best way possible with her limited time and money. Before sending her your particular information unsolicited, understand there is a process that needs to be considered.

    Of coure, if Janice chimes in here and requests such information, then go to town. Perhaps a better solution, however, would be to start a specific commenting section that highlights registration office “overreach” issues, which would probably work a lot better and help Janice assess the priority.

    • Joe

      What @Eric Knight said… he knows his stuff.

    • Q

      Thanks Eric:

      I’ve been told some questionable stuff! The most recent was I had to give my vehicle license information during a compliance/harassment check; which I found out is false. Another one is I was told if I move I have to report it to my current registration officer; I was told even if I move and register with the new agency and I don’t tell the officer at the area I’m moving away from I could/will go to prison. Any info/experience on that? My gut tells me it’s just some more misinformation/harassment BS. I’m going to start checking when I get back tonight, but like it’s already been said; the pc-290 laws are/is so numerous/voluminous it very possible I might not even see anything relating to moving and registration. So any input on this will be appreciated, since moving is a big enough hassle in and of it’s self this un registering and re registering just makes moving more of a hassle.

  3. USA

    I’m speaking about the little piece of paper with your thumb print on it. I believe this is BS. I have never read anywhere citing you must carry this piece of paper with you? This is kind of getting like an ankle braclet. The woman was an idiot. Ive been registering there for like 12 years and never heard of this!

  4. nk

    REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS – REGISTRANT IS REQUIRED TO READ AND INITIAL ALL REQUIREMENTS

    Yes, but do I UNDERSTAND them ?

    No

    • Anonymous Nobody

      You are right. But in previous cases about whether a registrant has knowledge, the courts have ruled that you are wrong.

      BTW, there is no law requiring you to initial those notices when you register. Oh, they will raise high holy hell if you do not, but you do not need to. That is them trying to get evidence from you to be used against you in the future as a means of showing you had knowledge. But that is not your responsibility, and you do not have to initial it. They will have to find another way to prove you had knowledge. Perhaps they will have to rely on the testimony of whomever gives you the notice rather than on you initialing the notice — but that offers you the ability to challenge the credibility of that witness in court, because maybe they’re lying.

      Oh, yes, meanwhile you might get arrested and charged if you refuse to initial (MAYBE), so of course you might prefer to just initial the stuff. On the other hand, it can come back to bite you if you do and you did not understand it. You could be damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

      • Q

        Hi Anonymous Nobody:

        I refused once around ten years back, and the registration witch did indeed go ballistic! I was told all sorts of really bad things were going to happen to me for refusing to initial and sign; none of them good. This was before CA-RSOL existed and I didn’t know anything about my rights at that time. I signed because I got tired of hearing her threats about some super secret agents coming after me that deal specifically with uncooperative and rebellious registrants that dare to have the gall to stand up for themselves.

  5. Bluewall

    We really need definitive answers on this paperwork.. its been going on for years and no clear answer on anything.. Who, what, when, and why?

  6. Ron Lake County, CA

    Lake County Laminates the registration receipt and the compliance check officers sometimes ask to see it. I just tell them I don’t know where it is.

    • broken wings

      I used to carry mine in my wallet, but I hate to think if I lost my wallet and someone finds that in there. Besides, I have a drivers license. Don’t the cops have my vehicle, photo and license on file anyway? Besides, despite what the Supreme Court thinks, it wouldn’t get me in (Price Club) Costco. Kicked out of someplace, more likely.

  7. Q

    The registration process where I live never takes over 45min, it’s usually no more than 30min. I had the same experience when I lived in Chino Hills. Both these offices were sheriff’s. When I lived in Ontario, and then Victorville the experience was similar to what you describe, both were city police departments doing the registration process. For some reason the city police departments are not as organized as the sheriff’s and seem to be less professional. I dont know why that is. But if the sheriff’s department can do it a quickly as they do and as professionally as they do there is no reason for anyone to go through the BS you have been subject to. All the intellectual banter aside; the city police want you arrested and then monitored. I think they don’t like the fact that you live in their fair city of hypocrites and are likely resentful they have to deal with the lesser beings and would rather see you in some other town, or better yet, in a prison. In short it’s screwed up because they want to screw with you. If I was you I would check out the links Joe posted, study them and become knowledgeable of what they can and cant order you to do. Then you will be equipped to stand up for your self.

  8. SkeletonLander

    Does anyone know the status of Doe v. Harris, 2013 WL 144048?

    Because I thought that the injection against 290.014(b) was still in effect (the need to provide internet names). The link provided (http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/1/9/5.5/s290.014) seems to state that section 290.014(b) is in effect.

    This only adds to the confusion of knowing what our requirements are for registering.

    • Joe

      Proposition 35 became law the day following the 2012 election after getting 80+% of the vote. As such it is in the Penal Code. However, it was challenged the next day and an injunction was issued. The case was argued last September and is yet to be decided. I think a link to the oral argument audio was on this web site. Some people here advised the delay is due to personal circumstances of one of the judges. Who knows. It is taking forever, and one can only speculate as to what that might mean.

      Currently the home page of the Megans Law web site – the public portion anyone can access – states the following (in red):

      ATTENTION: FEDERAL COURT ENJOINS COLLECTION OF E-MAIL AND SOCIAL NETWORKING INFORMATION ON REGISTRATION FORMS.

      On January 11, 2013, a federal court enjoined the Attorney General and law enforcement agencies from collecting information pertaining to e-mail addresses, internet service providers, and social networking/screen names on sex offender registration forms. These fields will not appear on the 2013 DOJ registration forms (DOJ forms 8047, 8102).This injunction is in effect until the lawsuit challenging these provisions of Proposition 35, the Californians Against Sexual Exploitation (CASE) Act, is decided or until further notice. (John Doe v. Kamala Harris, Northern District of California No. C12-5713 TEH). Registering law enforcement agencies should black out these fields on the 2012 forms, and should not collect this information until further notice

      I guess the injunction does not cause it to be stricken from the Penal Code. But you do NOT have to provide that information and it should not be requested. I suppose if you are asked you can decline.

      The EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation), one of the plaintiffs, bless them, has all the case information.

      https://www.eff.org/cases/doe-v-harris

  9. noname

    That is one thing good I have to say about San Diego county sheriff’s office. I make an appointment and I am in and out in about 15 to 20 minutes. They treat me respectfully and polite.

    • C

      Same for LAPD here in the SFV . They are nicer to me than I am to them.
      Courteous, but aloof. Short and sweet.

      • steve

        Same experience for me. I am guessing you are at the same place on a busy street with a lot of car dealerships?

  10. USA

    So, here is the bottom line (Read Carefully). First, the CIty of Orange County should provide a fast and convenient manner in which Registrants can register! In summary, how could any full time employed worker take 2-3 hours off to register without losing their job? Furthermore, I wait at least 2-3 hours each time? THis is nuts! In addition, the individual (it’s someone different each time) processing this doesn’t seem to know what they are doing? THen, to top it off, any normal human being needs to have the use of a restroom? Each time I register, I break the laws (Santa Ana has an ordinance banning individuals from visiting parks?). Yet, the woman processing the registration process each and every time states that I can only use the park restroom across the street? Each and every time! So, why not file suit to get the registration process sped up and provde those individuals an opportunity to get an appointment? I’ve never been offered an appointment or provided any information regarding this possibility? Furthermore, we need adequate restrooms? If we leave to use a restroom (2 blocks away), the process might take 3 hours or more? Furthermore, the woman clearly doesn’t know the laws (informing me I must have the receipt at all times or I can be arrested? Here is another thought. I’ve asked for clarifications regarding the laws? They can’t answer them? THey never seem to know who to ask? Finally, I was recommended I contact SONAR (the investigators who do compliance checks)? I’ve called and can never get a hold of anyone? Furthermore, when they come out to my house, they never seem to know whats going on or anything about the laws? (Yeah, right). So, we should have the ability to register in a timely manner, have access to a public restroom, have the ability to contact someone with questions regarding the laws and not be provided improper information regarding the laws by a tech! This is serious, true and a legitimate lawsuit.

  11. Anonymous Nobody

    Oh, BTW, re the requirement that you provide proof of residence, the state law, 290, requires that. That is not the local registering agency coming up with that. See the thread on Compliance Checks II for more comments about this — in fact, I comment there about 290 barring compliance checks. The way I read the appropriate section in 290 requiring you provide proof of residence when you register, that clause actually seems to bar compliance checks as it bars requiring anything other than the list of documents in 290 for proving residence, and that prohibition should include a compliance check.

  12. Q

    I just tore up and flushed the stinkin piece of crap paper!

    • Tim

      I keep it as evidence. Everything they give me, I keep, whether I agree with it or not.

  13. Alienated

    USA, I believe the reason it took so long and they directed you to the park to use restroom is retaliation for the recent decision allowing RSO’s back in county parks. If this wasn’t the reason then why would they say use the park restroom when we all know that is a hot topic in OC right now. The OC authorities are conservative right wingers who are angry and you were the one to get a dose of their frustration. Best luck and hopefully they can get a little more frustrated after Janice takes out another can of Whoop Ass on them.

    “Educate not Hate”

  14. Tired Of Hiding

    You are already carrying around proof with you all the time. It is called a driver’s license. When asked for ID that is all that is required. They run your ID and it gives them all of the information about you, including being a RSO.

    You are NOT required to carry that. If you are stopped and asked for your ID you only give it to them as requested. DO NOT add or volunteer any information at all.

    Remember you are NOT a registered sex offender. You are classified by a governmental agency as one BUT that is only THEIR classification.

    You are a human being and nothing less. NEVER refer to yourself as a RSO…EVER!

  15. USA

    Good question: Does your license show your a sex offender if stopped? I had my plea/conviction expunged back in 2002 (battery) and I’ve been stopped 3 times since then? Never asked a thing?

    • Tired Of Hiding

      Yes, running a license most certainly shows your criminal history and certainly that you are a RSO.

      Just because they have not mentioned it doesn’t mean they don’t see it…however if your record was truly expunged it might not show up. Are you still required to register? If you ARE then Yes, it shows when they run your license.

    • Nicholas Maietta

      If you get pulled over in a vehicle you own or have access to, there is already an NCIC “hit” on the vehicle. Before they even approach you to ask for ID, they already have your information up on their screen including the NCIC hit info.

      • JesusH

        I wonder… if there happens to be a cop car with one of those license plate scanners parked at my kid’s school and they see my wife or my dad leaving the school in one of my vehicles (their plates dutifully listed on my annual form of course)… and the plate scanner registers the hit…

        Would that be probable cause to pull my wife or dad over?

        I’m not sure how big the scanners are, or how likely it is that any particular cop car has them, but I’m sure eventually they’ll be portable enough that more and more cops will have them. When that happens, is the above scenario more likely to happen?

        And when my kid’s are old enough to drive, and I buy them a car and list it on my form (because of course I will have to), will they be pulled over?

        • TS

          @JesusH

          Yes, they could pull the car over on probable cause if the reader SW alerts them to it for whatever their criteria is for doing so. They could pull over every car that is the same make and model as the one registered is how I would compare it if they needed to. It’d be a rude awakening for your dad or wife if they were in the scenario you stated, but one I’d hope never happened. If I am off, then someone here will correct me.

        • AJ

          @JesusH:
          Whether or not the Thin Blue Liar could rely on Probable Cause doesn’t really matter, as the lower standard of Reasonable Suspicion could justify the stop. The TBL could readily supply the observations and facts that led to the suspicion and stop: RC-registered car, in a safety zone (if applicable to your jurisdiction), picking up a child. Under Reasonable Suspicion, the TBL could detain the vehicle for up to about 15 minutes without raising the eyebrows of any judge.

          Probable Cause has a slightly higher standard, but even under that the facts above would probably convince a judge the stop was allowable.

          If the TBL only relied on the LPR data, it would probably be a bit tougher to argue Reasonable Suspicion, never mind Probable Cause. If that standard were sufficient, any TBL could pull over any RC-vehicle at any time.

    • ONE DAY AT A TIME

      I often listen to my scanner. When they run your plate or ID in CA, they tell the officer if you have prior felonies, known gang member, drug offender (H&S (Health and Safety)) or that you are a 290 registrant.

  16. JM

    I have a question or concern that perhaps someone with knowledge will answer. Last year our son moved. He notified both agencies, re-registered, and then updated his annual a month later on his b-day. No issues. This year on his annual (he is not on probation or parole) after the registration, he was told to wait for the “detective”. A detective came out and said that he always wants to meet with the registrants, and asked our son to follow him to the interrogation room. At first, our son was defensive, but felt like he had no choice. He was interviewed, and asked many questions regarding his children, and next of kin because “in case something were to happen to him”.
    Has anyone else had a similar experience?

    • Tired Of Hiding

      Sounds like he was on a fishing expedition. The longer they get you to talk the more chance they for you to slip up and reveal more personal information.

      Last week the pigs showed up for a residence compliance check (second one in less than 30 days). I was out by my roommate was home. It was a weekday and 11:30 AM. They asked him for his ID…they asked him if he “knew where I was”…which he didn’t since I was just out to the bank and the grocery store. Obviously they knew that I lived there as they had been there less than 30 days ago when I personally answered the door and told them “yes” so what were they doing ? Answer: Fishing

      You see…I am self-employed and as such they do NOT have info like my bosses name (me) where I go every day to work (I work at home), etc. So by asking him they had hoped that I was lying and that he would slip up and say something like “he’s not here”, “where is he”, “he’s at work”…GOTCHA

      So never give them more information than required by law. It’s really like being a prisoner of war…just name rank and serial number!

      • C

        I, too, work for myself and often work from home, but I hate it (way too many distractions). If I have an office, am I required to give them the address? I’m inclined towards not doing so lest they show up.

        Historically they show up at my house roughly two weeks after my Price Club renewal, but last year they showed up 6 months later. I happended to be sitting in a parking lot nearby and, from my phone, watched my security camera live feed as they knocked a couple of times, then one checked my mailbox and said to his partner “He’s got mail here,” and they both went on their merry way to waste more tax dollars.

        • TS

          @C

          Technically, yes to your work address. If it’s at home, isn’t it already listed, technically, but not stated as such? Splitting hairs…

          As for the LEOs checking your mailbox for the your name, is that not a postal code infraction? You have to look through the mail to find a piece with your name on it unless on is on top but then, I think it’s an illegal search, but no one seems to know for sure here: https://forum.officer.com/forum/public-forums/ask-a-cop/151010-question-for-any-postal-inspector-leo-opening-a-mailbox-to-check-residents-name

          I bet SCOTUS Justice Gorsuch would like this one if not decided.

          However, let’s signal @AJ with the bat signal and see what he says. If you have it on video still, then…

        • AJ

          @C:
          Yes, you have to supply the work address. If you work from home, you’re probably safest listing it again as your work address. We all know they’re drooling as they wait for us to trip up on some technicality.

          As for the their opening the mailbox and peeking, I give it a strong maybe. Were they to take, open or destroy any of the mail, that’s a whole different story. Depending on where you mail box is (such as attached to the house) and whether it has a door to conceal the contents, it’s probably trespassing…but of course trespassing by the Gov’t is called a warrantless (read: illegal) search. You could also perhaps articulate a reasonable expectation of privacy. The mailbox is technically Federal property, so there may be something there if they didn’t have prior and/or standing permission from the Postmaster. It’s way more than I’m interested in digging into just for grins. Had they done it to me, though, I would be all over the laws to try to nail them!

      • C

        Do they usually come so often to your house? If so, why?

      • AJ

        @Tired Of Hiding:
        “So never give them more information than required by law.”
        —–
        Which, unless you live in a positive ID State and/or are operating a motor vehicle, is nothing. There really are only three phrases to voice: 1) Am I being detained? 2) Am I free to go? 3) I do not consent to searches.

    • wonderin

      This doesn’t pass the “smell test” to me.
      Being that this is the detective assigned to the registry and who’s job includes locating missing or out of compliance registrants, I can only assume they are building a lead file for that possible event.

  17. The Unforgiven

    Long time reader but first time commentator. First though, thank you to all who participate on this site. It has been very helpful throughout my struggles.

    I recently had my annual registration in San Bernardino County, Victorville. Last year, my first year in the city, I was told to fill out the city’s OffenderWatch paperwork (about 5 pages). I was naive and filled a lot of it but not all. It contained questions regarding email and social network sites. I left that section blank, among others. This time, I was given the same paperwork to fill out again. I then asked if anyone could provide me with the penal code directing me to fill out such paperwork. The receptionist excused herself, came back, and reported that it had to be filled out but I could put N/A in all boxes. I did. Nothing more was said about the form during my time there.

    How is this form legal, in present form, which includes email and social network questions? I am aware that currently, asking for that information is not allowed at this time. I imagine that since I was not pressured or directed further, that the paperwork is illegal and/or not necessary. Can someone comment? Thanks

    To be honest, it was refreshing that I stood up and challenged it. I’m glad I did.

    • David

      @ The Unforgiven: I hope you will come join us in Sacramento sometime. You’ll find it very empowering. It definitely boosts your confidence and will help you take back your life. 🙂👍

  18. jd

    My husband was arrested tonight for not having a big enough copy of that paperwork in his wallet. Probation came to do a random search, searched his wallet, and found the paperwork, but he had shrunken it down so it fit in his wallet. They deemed it a probation violation and took him away in handcuffs. He’ll get ten days in county (no probation hearing) and another year added to his probation, which would’ve ended in August. Our lies have become a living hell. Anyway, I called a lawyer. He’s going to see what he can find out about the legality of this

    • David Kennerly

      I have been doing that, i.e. shrinking the registration page down to billfold size, for years. I have also scanned it and have it at hand in my smartphone should any law enforcement demand it (to date, they never have). I am not on either probation or parole.

      So I am very dismayed that your husband should have been arrested for having on his person proof-of-registration, shrunken or not.

      This is demonstrably unjust.

      Do you live in California?

      • AJ

        I didn’t realize CA requires RCs to carry paperwork on for presentation. Is there anything that says one cannot reduce it or use a photocopy? Does the law say one must carry a legible copy? One in a certain sized print? This would seem to be an easy one for the lawyer to win, though that doesn’t undo the harms already suffered.

        Even if it’s a probation requirement to carry it, the questions remain as to what are the exact criteria. He was carrying it. That the LEO didn’t like the format or couldn’t read it probably isn’t the RC’s fault.

        • Lake County

          No, CA does not require RCs to carry paperwork. That doesn’t mean a parole or probation officer can’t require it, especially if a judge orders it.

        • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

          AJ, It does not appear to be a requirement in California although, when I was first registering (about twenty-five years ago!) they (San Francisco) told me that I had to carry the wallet-sized card they issued afresh every year with me at all times. The card has long since disappeared from their registration repertoire, replaced by 8.5 x 11 sheets of paper that have only grown in number and in threatening messages which they carry. For a few years, I would shrink these down to impossibly tiny wallet-sized pieces on my photocopier which I then carried with me. Later, I simply imported scans of them into my smart phone. I did this only because I was traveling a good deal and was concerned about being asked for proof of registration from CBP (which they did once). Now, I just don’t give a shit. Still, none of this seems to be required by law, if it ever was.

        • someone who cares

          AJ ~ The posts are from 2016, and I believe somewhere between then and now, CA no longer required the carrying of the registration form.

    • kelnothiding

      jd ,, I am very sorry to here what happed to you and yours , this is a new one , never even heard of such a thing , make sure you post full out come ,

      • steve

        I take mine and shred it every year. Screw carrying that bs around.

    • Political Prisoner

      I do believe there is no requirement in California to have to carry papers saying you are a RSO.

  19. someone who cares

    I know I read somewhere that it is NOT a requirement any longer to carry the piece of paper. Your attorney needs to find that. I can’t believe they get away with this. Even if they agree that this is no longer a requirement, your husband will not get this time back. I hope you have a good attorney. This HAS to be fought.

  20. jd

    Thank you all for your sympathy.

    I spoke to a lawyer AND sent a rather lengthy e-mail to my husband’s P.O. (who was not present during the search of our home) requesting clarification of what his violation actually was, along with a complaint about the unprofessional conduct of the team that searched the house. The P.O.’s supervisor called me ten minutes later (I think he was afraid I might file a formal complaint, which would launch an investigation). Anyway, the violation was that the paperwork was not “current” (He had recently updated his registration, but didn’t put the most recent piece of paper in his wallet; however, the “current” paper was in a folder on a desk in another room). I argued against it, especially since NOWHERE in my husband’s probation conditions does it say anything about that, nor is it required in the miserable state of California, which is where we live. Finally, the supervisor agreed to release him that day (This was the day after he had been arrested) and to not extend his probation. But the damage had been done.

    In the meantime, the lawyer did some digging and found one line in my husband’s court docket that says he must “carry at all times proof of registration.” This is an order from the judge and applies only to the time during which he is on probation. So does this mean when he is home, he should carry his wallet around? What about in the shower? And he did have proof of registration–in the bedroom, on the desk, in plain view. The lawyer agreed it was absolute BS.

    Additionally, my husband has five business days before or after his birthday to update. Technically he had one more day before the paper in his wallet would’ve been considered “expired.” I’m also not sure why “carry” automatically means “carry in a wallet” as opposed to “carry in a folder.”

    Anyway, he has a new P.O., who also agrees the whole thing was BS.

    • Joe

      Thank you for clarifying that this was a condition of probation / parole. There is NOTHING in the California Penal Code that requires a 290 registrant to carry a certain piece of identification.

    • Lake County

      Yes, it sounds like your husband needs to carry proof of registration with him in the shower also. I guess he will need to hold it above his head to keep it from getting soggy. Amazing how crazy some people can interpret laws. Maybe he should go back to court for a clarification of the judges requirement. That judge probably has no idea how insane his rulings can be interpreted.

      • David

        He could simply have it tattooed across his forehead (sarcasm, of course). After all, that’s ultimately what the Chris Smiths and Lauren Books of the world will be pushing for anyway, right? 😡

  21. The Unforgiven

    I am attending college, this fall, after many years. First time registering with any campus police. This one is in Victorville – SBC. I brought nothing additional with me other than my CA ID and Student ID. I was told they needed my annual and/or registration receipt. Also told that the receipt was to be on my person at all times. I stated that, that information was incorrect and is not law. Returned home to grab those items and review the 290 code. Called my registration clerk. She said that the department now has a ‘policy’ that the receipt must be with you at all times. It is on the annual form, this year, in the Comments section and I would likely see it when I go in for mine (Dec). She did say that I would not violate anything, receive a citation/ticket or go to jail. Most likely would be questioned as to why it’s not on me. Any one else dealt with this yet?

    • 72 FLH

      Kern County is the same way , its just a good rule of thumb to cover your bases , I have never been asked for mine , but I always have it , they could be just bending the law for them selfs ,

      • The Unforgiven

        They are totally bending the laws for themselves and I knew it. After I posted this here, I saw that this subject was currently being covered by Janice, among others, under the ‘Peaceful Protest in Oakland..’ header. Reposted there. I don’t carry it on me. I have no desire to be robbed, lose my wallet or whatever and have that information floating around. I understand where you’re coming from though. My thinking is that they demand me to follow the laws so shouldn’t they as well?

    • Timmr

      There seems to be no consequences for them to make things up, so they make up things. I think the police culture today says police are the law, and the legislators and judiciary give them a free pass. Hey, isn’t that what registration is?

    • C

      Been registering since 1994 and was never told I have to keep any of the paperwork with me. In fact, I’ve always made a point to destroy it because 1) It makes me sick to my stomach to see it and, 2) I don’t need it to fall into enemy hands.

      Last month I bought a new truck and it had all the gadgets from satellite radio to OnStar. I can unlock and even start my vehicle from my phone. Cool stuff, but privacy is so dead, not just for RSOs but anyone who loves on the grid. If they can’t verify that I properly registered, they can just peek into my vehicle’s black box to see that I parked outside the police station, then examine my cell phone’s GPS logs to see I actually entered the building. They can probably track me right down to which chair I sat in.
      If there is no penalty for not carrying it, and you’d rather it not be discovered should you lose your wallet, then don’t risk it. If they ask why you don’t have it, tell them your dog ate it.

      • Punished for Life

        C:
        You say this:
        “Been registering since 1994 and was never told I have to keep any of the paperwork with me. In fact, I’ve always made a point to destroy it because 1) It makes me sick to my stomach to see it and, 2) I don’t need it to fall into enemy hands.”

        That has always been my feeling as well. 26 years of this crap now.
        I never even doubted that our system would be honest and up front with our compliance. Now I’m looking into my history of registration and found out that CA. shows a non-compliance back in 1996. They are wrong. I never missed a year. I was on Probation at that time. You don’t miss while on Probation. And there is no way to fix this error now.
        Nevada has done the same to me. They say I missed a couple of years. All of the records are kept in a database in a far away city of the state. If input incorrectly by some clerk along the way, one may never know or never have a chance to have the record corrected.
        Something I never did was ask for a receipt of any kind, and I never remember having one offered. I just trusted them. Then if they did give a receipt, I didn’t want that crap lying around my home. Make me want to puke each time I would run across that piece of paper. So it got shredded.
        So no matter how much it hurts to see this paper trail in your home, I suggest that you always ask for and have proof of compliance of some kind. The system isn’t perfect even though they will claim it is.
        And where do you think an RC will stand fighting the city, county, or the DOJ, when it comes to compliance. Good luck.
        Frank

      • David

        @ “C”: (Hmmm, at sea?🤔) The police in my city have a ALPRs (automated license plate readers) attached to the front bumpers of their cars. As they drive along, the ALPRs instantly read and photograph every license plate , store the image, and run other plate number through a database
        I recently requested of copy of the ALPR records for my vehicle. The report they sent me showed photographs of my car as well as street addresses of everywhere the car had been located. So I am tempted to tell the police, for my next residency compliance check, to simply review their APLR records to verify that I live where I say I live.

        • Lake County

          That’s a great idea for all of us to do in those areas that have the readers. Also keep in mind that the USPS has a copy of all of our mail covers with the info on who sends us mail. If you sign up for informed delivery, they will email this info to you daily. It is regularly shared with law enforcement with no warrant required.

  22. someone who cares

    I thought this “law” about carrying the registration card was abolished? I am pretty sure Orange County does not require it anymore, but I would like input from others.

    • ONE DAY AT A TIME

      There was never a law that you had to carry it. It never said that anywhere in the 290 penal code. Some cops just thought that was the rule. Now if you’re on probation or parole they can require you to follow just about any rule they want to make up.

  23. Trapped in the USA

    The worst I ever had it was Colorado Springs, CO. I had to register there 3 times. It never took me less than 6 hours even for an address update with no photo. Their website even says expect to wait 6-8 hours! They aren’t joking. They have a large waiting room for everyone and everything from someone picking up property, the guy reporting a crime, to registrants. The only difference is registrants have to sign a red clipboard underneath a big red sign that says “SEX OFFENDERS” Eventually someone will come out pick up the red clipboard and yell out MR. SO AND SO FOR SEX OFFENDER REGISTRATION! SEX OFFENDER SO AND SO! You do the walk of shame with everyone staring at you, they ask you a few questions, then tell you to sit back down and they will come for you. So you sit back down with everyone staring at you and talking about you. Then they come back out in about an hour and yell out again “SEX OFFENDER SO AND SO!” I now live in a much smaller county in Colorado and they simply have a kiosk in a locked room in the back. You just walk in and use it. Has never taken longer than 10 minutes. I think some jurisdictions just get off on feeling they are doing their part to punish you.

    • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

      Trapped, Your description of registering in Colorado Springs more-or-less comports with my expectations for that exemplary city “Focused,” as it is, “On the Family.” Glad you’re in a more accommodating part of the state, now.

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