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I’m going to level with you guys; I’m scared. With all of this talk of new legislation and litigation, it’s got me spooked. I know I need to focus on my classes for tomorrow, but there’s a point where being a registrant affects the way I think, as I’m sure it does you. I am constantly looking over my shoulder after this brush with jail and probation. It simultaneously made me very afraid and came to grips fairly quickly about what it means to be a pariah in a modern world. We are hated, universally. No one professes their love… Read more »

We have very little in common except being labelled as “sex offenders”. I do not feel any brotherhood with a rapist, or child molester, as I am not either of those. We each have our own story about how we can be have this label put on us…we are individuals after all and some are totally innocent and simply victims of getting caught in a web that it is nearly impossible to get out of. So while we all have the same goal of ultimately either being off this registry or of at least being treated fairly, the vast majority… Read more »

I am going to take what you saying as an offense. You remind me of an individual when I was treatment. He had the same opinion, that he was not as bad as a child molester or rapist. However, when I seen the treatment provider, about 5 years later, he said that only one that reoffended from our group was this guy.

@Harry – clicked the wrong thumb on your post. Should be one up. Because you are right. We are all in this together. Everyone should get the punishment they deserve for their actions, not for a label.

Not all crimes are equal and yet sex offenders are treated as if they are. This is very point we are trying to fight! Get it?

Oh and yes, I do look down at a child rapist over someone who got caught pissing in a public park – absolutely NOT the same at all!

And you story about the guy who was the only one that you know about who reoffended -who cares – still an individual and irrelevant to the severity of the offense.

The issue is not who is (or was) worse than who. The issues are, 1, were you punished in a humane and just manner that fit your infraction, that is, without using cruel and unusual practices and 2, are you still being punished after you have completed the sentence? Your level of disgust has nothing to do with these.

So if you are personally affected by all of this you are either… a child molester*, a rapist**, a weenie wagger, a sexual batterer, a (child) pimp or a child pornographer. Does that about cover it? If you look down on people in one or more of these groups and think they deserve this registry, it should come as no shock that society looks down on all of them and thinks they all belong on this registry and everything that comes with it. With that view, good luck hoping the rest of society will find you worthy of relief. Gonna… Read more »

Tired of hiding, you seem to have missed the point completely. No one here has even once complained about sentencing for a crime. That’s because that is not the point. The point is that no one should continue to be punished after serving their sentence. The offenses you point out as being more severe than your offense: Those people all served their sentences. You are saying their punishment should go beyond even the extreme of their sentence. No, that is wrong. That is sick. I don’t think you fully understand what you are saying — because I have seen what… Read more »

I appreciate your heartfelt words. I also agree with Tired of hiding, as I’m not a child molester or rapist either. I’m also appalled at the volumes of laws, statutes and ordinances aimed at those of us who have been “caught in this web” that is by and large based on misconceptions, ignorance and outright lies. I also find those that play on the fears and miss-conceptions of the main stream public to be people of an truly evil stripe. And for all the rest;

“ignorance is a choice”
Q – registered and oppressed citizen

Like the two of you am not a child molester or rapist mine was a misdemeanor not involving a child over 15 years ago…having said that I am still a registrant and as far as California law is concerned there is no difference from me, you, or them. Part of the whole problem with society is the THEM vs. US mentality. Those that WERE rapist or molesters after completing their parole, therapy and time served should be left alone to live their lives…Why? Because the only constant in life is change…people change. The USA use to be a place of… Read more »

I agree totally with AllMyFriends. Seems as if we gain ground then someone comes by with a law/ordinance that kicks us square in the groin. Probation and parole generally are looking for reasons to violate us, it makes their job easier if we’re back in jail, then they don’t have to deal with us. For those who have loving relationships, congratulations, that’s a huge accomplishment and to find a partner that is accepting and realistic is a blessing. I feel as if I’m socially castrated; afraid to be involved with someone because I’d have to be honest about the past… Read more »

I’m also single for the same reasons. I meet nice girls and when things get too close to that really personal level I always back out, fade away, or find some reason (real or imagined) to just blow them off. Sad, isn’t it?

If I was single I’d be doing everything I could to get out of this country and start over somewhere else. Having married and had children before this whole web site BS started I am locked in the USA until my kids grow up, and even then I am going to want to stay here as long as I can to enjoy being with them. But, if I was young enough and single I’d say F this country, which said F U to me, and join the record number of Yanks giving up their citizenship. I’ll wager a handful are… Read more »

Problem is finding a country who will let you in without a passport (none) or who will let you immigrate with a criminal record of having a sex offense.

So even giving up that little blue book might not be as easy as you would like to think it is.

I would love to leave this crap-hole certain types of people have turned Amerika into. But that costs $$$$ and many registrants have problems finding gainful employment because of the scarlet letter. The Amerikan Gestapo also makes entering foreign countries extremely hard, if not impossible.

They love to hate and are infecting the rest of the world with their “hate” sickness.

With the defacto implementation of International Megan’s Law, it’s not evenl likely that countries will take in any more registrants in any case. Just read the hundreds of posts from the multitudes of International Travel threads.

I also have no desire to startup a relationship with a woman just due to the stress of having to disclose my status as a RC. It sure is not something you would disclose on a first date. But at what point do you disclose this fact to someone? I lived with an inner hell full of anxiety for four years while I was living with someone in the best relationship ever in my life that I had not disclosed to. But after the law changed and I was added to the public registry, I had to disclose my status… Read more »

Ron; I fully understand where your coming from. I disclosed my status to a girl when things started getting serious. Then one night she had a bit too much to drink and outed me to all of my neighbors; never again!!! I kicked her to the curb in very short order.

A great many RSOs are easy to love and worthy of respect but it takes getting to know them fully. If you feel you are one of those than allow women to get to know the real you and finally give her the choice.
If she rejects you than please realize that it is saying something about her and not you. Until than, relish your time together.

I think at first people can be acceptive to dating a Registered Citizen until they find out there is a stigma attached. People do treat our loved ones as being foolish or stupid for dating such a dangerous person. They are often asked why they would have a relationship with someone whom society deems dangerous and mentally sick. Their family and friends don’t understand why they would choose to be with us. Not many people can stand up to this type of critisism. It’s so much easier to break up with us to get away from this awful stigma. It’s… Read more »

I can’t stress enough how the registry IS punitive and the sad part is that it not only affects the “offender” but also the families of the registrants. It actually affects many more family members since families consist of usually 4 or more persons in the household, including CHILDREN, besides the registrant. We are being mistreated, harassed, etc, and our address is listed on the website. So, why in the world can we, as the family members not file a lawsuit. I included a paragraph of what a “mass” action suit is. We may not be able to file a… Read more »

I don’t care who’s a child molester or rapist we’re all in this fight together, we have all paid our debt to society when we were in prison or jail so we need to get on with our lives now this registry is stopping us from doing that that’s why we need to stick together with Janice and her team and get rid of all these unfair laws

This is NOT a protect the children issue, but it is being used to appear as such. There has not been any history of a registrant (after going through probation, therapy and time served) attacking a child in a park. The real motive I believe is a political one. Registered citizens have become the perfect new political whipping boy for votes. Face it under the guise of punishing those deemed as evil and from the angle used to protect the children who wouldn’t be okay with these kind of measures? To NOT be for them you would somehow be seen… Read more »

Guerrilla warfare is where the entire army is not engaged. It is focus on one soldier a time. However, with persistence it will defeat the entire army. We need to engage one soldier at a time with the truth, until the army is defeated.

An idea: Could CA RSOL – with proper funding – produce a flyer or brochure that would be intended for the general public, in order to provide facts about RSO, recidivism research/rates, tiered registries, community safety, etc.? It could include URL addresses for additional information.
This may help the general public to get a better grasp of the issues and alleviate some of the fear and hysteria.
And it could be included in RSO’s letters to their(our) elected representatives.

Oh..ok David ..you mean somehow getting information to the public what the Constitution is and how important it is to support and protect it…on how supporting and Defending. It will help them and our country……that putting free men to double jeopardy and violating peoples civil rights goes against this nations foundations of human rights ..treating free men like you would want to be treated.

I am afraid that anyone old enough to remember the days when freedom mattered is near dead now. The new post 9-11 generation is too controlled by the government to even know what they are missing and what used to be.

The new department of this and the department of that…1984 arrived late but it certainly is finally here in the USA!

Welcome to the new America!

I agree, this generation accepts any label thrown out there by the media and government. I can’t for the life of me see how people can group a whole population under one label, when the crimes that put you under that label vary so much within a state and between the states. I can’t believe that such a system of lumping people together for wholesale restrictions and punishment is still legal. One has to trash the Constitution before that can happen. You have to go back to before the US constitution was penned to find something similar. In eighteenth century… Read more »

It actually is the post-Berlin Wall era. When the Soviet Union came apart, the Cold War ended, and suddenly the “godless Communists” were no longer available as the diversion, as the skapegoat for everything — as the topic to prevent other topics from having to be faced. A new diversion was needed. I knew it would be crime, but I had no expectation that sex offenders would be singled out for all of it. That is why this is going on, because they need a skapegoat – and we are far too easy a class for be it. Gee, we… Read more »

Clark, if I thought the Constitution arguments would do any good, Yes, I would recommend them. But I think we’d have more luck the facts: non-threats vs. genuine threats; recidivism rates; grossly overpopulated therefore useless registries, etc.
Maybe on the cover flap is a picture of a shifty looking man in an overcoat with a caption reading “The Myth”. Then in the inside flap, a picture of a whitebread, Joe average family -dad, mom, and kids- with the caption reading, “The reality”.
Just ideas.

I thought I’d share the punitive nature of being a registrant. Today, I was turned away for medical treatment at a county medical center because of my status. They asked, and I was honest. Although I told them I am not subject to Megan’s Law and therefore no one would know I’m a registrant unless I told them. Apparently there is a school (which I didn’t see) connected to the facility and by law, no 290 registrant can be treated at their facility. Did I mention, it’s a county-run facility? So instead of receiving treatment from a doctor just 2… Read more »

More info please. What State? County? What type of school (K-12, Trade School, Collage)?

San Mateo County Health System in CA. I was referred to this clinic by the county hospital specifically because it was close to my residence.

I’m actually quite surprised considering it’s a liberal county. The intake worker himself stated that he is against the registry, but the law states that the facility cannot work with RSOs.

The school is private, secondary education (6-12). There was never any indication there’s a school next door. It looks like a regular office building. No signs either.

This is outrages like I said we are all being denied access to all these public places that we as tax payers have paid for. There has to be some way to sue for monetary damages

That Carson city councilman, Robles, was on KFI-640 John and Ken Show, on Friday the 13th, spouting his drivel. I know Janice was on there once before, maybe she can get on again to counter him.

Maybe even offer to debate Robles on the John and Ken Show over the facts of this issue (like the was no problem with RSOs snatching kids out of or molesting them in the city playgrounds or libraries that this ordinance was/is needed).

See if he has the guts to do that.

Here is a hypothetical question for anyone with legal chops:

If I were tried and convicted of having sex with an underage girl who subsequently was charged as an adult for a different crime could I then go back to court and have my conviction reversed?

No you can’t. She may killed someone at 15 at was tried as an adult but if you have sex with her at 15 you still broke the law and the two cases are not related.

Sorry – no get out of jail free card for this.

http://threepercenternation.com/2014/10/lawsuit-police-officer-raped-a-child-five-times-while-other-officers-watched/#

Interesting read. Registered citizens are NOT the danger to society. People like this guy are, using their position to intimidate and blatantly break the law. Our daughters stand a greater chance of being raped or molested during a traffic stop than walking in the park, going to school, church or McDonalds…all those places they’re trying to prohibit us from going.

Anonymous Nobody said “It actually is the post-Berlin Wall era. When the Soviet Union came apart, the Cold War ended, and suddenly the “godless” I see the roots of this going back even further to Nixon. Nationally, Nixon got tough on crime as a reaction to the urban riots in many places in the US after MJK Jr’s killing. Places like Miami, Newark, NY, Memphis, D.C had riots. Reagan ended the cold war which led to the falling of the Soviet Union. But it did not fall until Bush Sr. was president. In California, the tough on crime crap started… Read more »

I appreciate your comments. Allow time to explain some. Schiff, whose background is as a prosecutor, rode the sex offender scare into office, and during his entire time in the Legislature, was always in the forefront of adding yet more draconian crap onto former sex offenders. And he was always speaking about it — hyping it to the hilt – when speaking in his district. Whatever his attitude about crime overall, he is a major figure against sex offenders. (I don’t know who it is in Congress who is behind the crap that has been coming up on the federal… Read more »

Does anyone know anything about Vermont? Just glancing at the RSO laws, it looks like it might be one of the best states (no residency restrictions, 10 year registration for all but 4 people in the state who have life, etc). Just looking for some feedback. Thanks

NotLikingCal – Be careful on any state move. Almost all states have an exemption that if you move there, the duration on the registry from your state of conviction takes precedent. So Californians moving to Vermont will be Life Time registrants, just like home.

Besides you then fall under AWA/Sorna for any ‘interstate’ moves.

“So Californians moving to Vermont will be Life Time registrants, just like home.”

I’ve read Vermont’s laws and I don’t see this. Only 4 people in the whole state have lifetime registration.

NotLikingCal- Sorry, I meant to say “could” not “will.” You may be right, I could not find a specific reference. However, a quick review of the Vermont SOR laws here: http://vcic.vermont.gov/sites/vcic/files/SOR%20Rules%20Adopted%202014.pdf Perhaps shows under Section 4.1(7) where it states “[applies] … prior to taking up residence within this state was required to register as a sex offender in any jurisdiction of the United States” Since you are “always” required to register in California, they “may” apply it the same here. States have been very careful to eliminate any “form shopping” of reg laws to keep registrants from moving there en… Read more »

I cannot find the cite but it is also my understanding that, when moving to a new state, the registration period from either the old state OR the registration period from the new state for a similar offense – WHICHEVER ONE IS GREATER – will apply. Meaning, coming from California, one would always be a lifer regardless of the new state’s laws. Think about it, it kind of makes sense. Otherwise registrants would flock to the state that would allow them to get off the registry – either in the shortest time, or get off at some point, period. Like… Read more »

“I cannot find the cite but it is also my understanding that, when moving to a new state, the registration period from either the old state OR the registration period from the new state for a similar offense – WHICHEVER ONE IS GREATER – will apply.”

There is no Federal law that says that. Moving is correct that many states have that written into their laws, but I do not see that in VT’s laws.

I like Vermont, particularly one of its Senators. I caution, though on having a mass influx of people going as refugees from states that have more draconian laws, especially for a refugee population that has limited economic means and might end up being wards of the state. Look at what is happening in Europe with it trying to deal with an influx of people from the Middle East and Africa. Tolerance often goes out the window when the society becomes stressed. I agree with the previous post, we need to work to change the situation here first, because running may… Read more »

Generally for years, Vermont and Oregon have been the “easiest” states to live in. Unfortunately, as more people “publicize” this fact, I fear that those states too, will fall into the AWA attitude of the federal government. Vermont is a beautiful state, mostly small towns. I lived there for a while, but California weather and job opportunites, called me back. Good luck to you, whatever you decide.

I know this isn’t a job posting site (or looking for a job site) … But, since I know of the site and have since it was formed … I’m going to go out on a limb. We live in North Orange County, CA and today my husband, an RSO was released from his job after almost four years. It is a private company and they didn’t do a background check when he was hired. On Friday they called him to the office after his shift and said he needed to meet with the owner on Monday morning, which he… Read more »

BTW,,When I registered today,,I Handed them the Affidavits with an explanation they Might want the “DOJ ,IA” look into Butte County Judicial system and Told them There IS Several Witts. and Real Factual Evidence Ready For Court. They took and Made Copies they Were All Treating Me Very Nice today as I was Leaving,,Hmmm I wonder Why? and the Lady Is Always Nice to Me but today she had a lil Smile on Her face…..I did ask Her If She Knew what I just did,, And She Just Smiled and it’s a fuse lit at Both Ends….Yep And I’m The… Read more »

Look Up “Corum Novis” Error of Court…This May Help 1 or More of You to look into. It IS the ONLY WAY IF You Were Scammed and CAN NOW PROVE IT..To be Expunged and the Possibility of all rights restored and No MORE WEB>REG.>NADDA! In Fact It IS STILL the ONLY remedy that can Do so POST MORTEM! Interesting maybe it’s a waiting game I think it was isn’t any More.. Now It’s On! Final Round,, Pray Fer the Underdog Guys!

You guys and gals on the registry are going thru a lot of things out there in your area but there is one thing to do. You can stop worrying. Get into the Bible, stand up for your rights. Quit being a _ussy about it. Don’t be afraid to stand up. Lets face facts. so your a sex offender, its just a name they label you. Some of you might or might not have had a victim. I’m just trying to get in church. Do you think I like to have a chaperone follow me making sure I don’t lay… Read more »

What a load of sh^t – get into the bible. What do you think go most into this place in the first place – YES – conservative religious nuts paranoid about sex – that’s what!

Fighting this from a simple human rights perspective is the what to do! Common sense and it has nothing to do with anyone’s god. The constitution is not the bible because it is a real legal document and not a fantasy.

We need good lawyers who are willing to fight for our human and constitutional rights – period!

Sorry for the length of this post. I will not make this common practice. Anonymous Nobody said “Schiff, whose background is as a prosecutor, rode the sex offender scare into office, and during his entire time in the Legislature, was always in the forefront of adding yet more draconian crap onto former sex offenders. And he was always speaking about it — hyping it to the hilt – when speaking in his district. Whatever his attitude about crime overall, he is a major figure against sex offenders. (I don’t know who it is in Congress who is behind the crap… Read more »

Anonymously, very good analysis. Maybe they could put this in the blog section of this site or you could submit this on another site about CA politics. One thing I would like to see added is how the fall of people’s real wages across the board, except for a tiny few who are benefiting, has fed into the support of these laws, that trend to blame the sense of insecurity, mainly economic, on certain despised groups that divert attention from who is actually creating the environment of insecurity — the people in power.

Some of this s.. stuff just amazes me;

On the bright side it looks like he wont have to register, so he can still hang at parks and other “child safety zones” in Florida (which is very tough on RCs)

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/officer-year-admits-raping-20-male-immigrants-charged-sex-offender/

Not suggesting that this guy didn’t do something totally inappropriate and/or unacceptable but without having the details it doesn’t seem fair that the article is calling the girl a “victim”. Based on the article it sounds to me like the minor sent this guy naked pics of herself. If she was 18 and did this she might be labeled “trashy” but since she was under 18 she’s automatically a victim. What if she wanted to send him naked pics of herself. If this guy is going to pay dearly for possession of CP…they better charge her with possession and distribution… Read more »

Are we now working up to a local law to ban registrants from riding transit? LA County Metropolitan Transportation district — which is always complaining it doesn’t have enough money – is now spending money on research to determine if riders are being confronted with sex offenses! They have been asking passengers and compiling statistics and quoting arrests. And now it is hyped in the Los Angeles Times: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-sexual-harassment-metro-20150219-story.html I find this a bit scary. How could this be a high priority. And even the responses: Just how were the questions worded? They’re asking if people have been touched inappropriately… Read more »

It is most likely people other than RC. Bumping and brushing people in public is not a crime.

After replying to a post on a separate thread, I realized that quite a few California teachers have been arrested this year (2015) for sexual offenses against students.So, I decided to see if my conclusion was correct: after a quick Google search, I was easily able to identify 19 separate teachers who have been arrested for allegedly committing a sex offense against a student, just in California, and just this year alone (and it’s only February 21st). I’ll also point out that, while I did not verify this the same way I did for teachers, quite a few police officers… Read more »

The REAL threats are anyone who is NOT a registered citizen. Don’t pinpoint this on any singular career type. They only get the news print because of their job, but plenty others who are your average Joes/Janes do NOT get the print. I already know of 3 people who had charges far worse than what I had and their names never ended up in print. Neither was a teacher nor a police officer.

While the ruling is completely irrelevant to us, I found this quote to be absolutely pertinent to registered citizens:

In a ruling issued today by James E. Boasberg, United States District Judge in Washington D.C., Boasberg writes on page 37, “Incantation of the magic words ‘national security’ without further substantiation is simply not enough to justify significant deprivations of liberty.”

Replace the words “national security”, with “to protect the children”, or “even if it saves just one child”, or “one is too many”; you get the idea.

Either way, I thought it was worthy of sharing.

https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2015cv0011-33

I spent the morning reading this article and found it very, very interesting. Those with a better understanding of “legalese” could surely apply some of the cases cited in the past to those many face today. If you have a lot of time, read this, certainly the history is beneficial to us understanding how California has enacted the harsh laws that plague us today. After reading the article, I feel that little has changed in California since the early 1900’s.

http://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/sensibilities/california.htm

HOPPING THAT ONE OF THE CA ASSEMBLY MEMBERS PUTS HIS OR HER NAME ON THE PROPOSED, TIER SYSTEM BILL SO IT CAN GO FOWARD , WE RSO OOUR REALLY DOWN TO THE WIRE WITH THIS , AS IN WERE DOWN TO ONE WEEK TO GET A SPONSOR OF THE BILL FINGERS CROSSED. NEEDS A SPONSOR BY FEB 27TH GO FOWARD……….

Timmr, thanks for the compliment. I didn’t touch on a few things. I didn’t touch on 9/11’s effect as well as not touching on wage decrease and then blaming this on despised groups to divert attention from those causing the economic insecurity. The Nixon shock is why wages went down. It caused inflation, which is the reason wages went down. The Nixon shick was basically caused by massive spending in Vietnam and all the tough on crime progams Nixon came up with. Nixon did the Controlled Substance Act, Safe Streets Act, various anti-gun laws, the RICO Act which was intended… Read more »

http://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/02/sex_offender_lands_in_jail_after_going_to_police_to_say_he_doesnt_need_to_regist.html

I see this haven’t been post yet but it will so I m going to post my comment here and repost it later when this show up..

What happen if we 50 RC the more the better.. in LA or any country walk in and say..

“We don’t have to register ”

That alone will tied up everything and possibility bankruptcy a small county or city.

For example, Stayner trail cost taxpayers $3 million.
http://articles.latimes.com/2002/jul/13/local/me-stayner13

Civil disobedience in the form of hundreds of people who are required to register, going in to police stations for the sole purpose of refusing, would get this issue in front of the Supreme Court and would eventually (in my opinion) result in the overturn of registry laws.

But the cost… in terms of ruined lives that we’ve rebuilt… Damn. Anyone who did so would be truly heroic. I don’t think I’m strong enough.

So I went in today for my yearly as a walk-in as I have done for 20 years. After waiting over an hour I was told they are too busy call and make an appointment for thursday. So I call to make an appointment for thursday and they are booked solid. I am told they can take me tuesday the 3rd. So my birthday was monday and I will be past the 5 days after my required time to register. I was told I would be fine but who the hell knows? I also had a colonoscopy scheduled for the… Read more »

Sounds like you will merely be trading one colonoscopy for another on the 3rd 🙂

Seriously – I do not see how ‘they’ can tell you it is okay to break the law. ‘They’ are ‘Law Enforcement’ – not “Law Interpretation’. Good luck with that.

This sort of thing must be documented in detail to show the punitive nature of PC 290. It is far from ‘filling out a Price Club Application’.

“Sounds like you will merely be trading one colonoscopy for another on the 3rd”

Hahaha! Perfect, Joe. Perfect.

Actually, I’d prefer the colonoscopy. When I got mine last year they made me comfortably numb first!

Talk about adding insult to injury! This is yet one more example of what we are all talking about! WE (those who jump through all hoops – cross all the “t”s and dot all the “i”s ) we are the ones continue to get dismissed, marginalized, and simply treated as if we are criminals! We might have done something (not all of us are guilty – just caught up in this mess) and try as we might to move forward and even to do just as they DEMAND of us we are still mistreated! “The only power any government has… Read more »

Talk to a lawyer ASAP.

Ask to get that waiver in writing on city pd letterhead. If it is not in writing, it does not exist. They would hold you to the same if the situation were reversed.
I would go down to the PD and sign in at the desk and put reg on the log. Even if
you don’t have an actual appointment, just to make sure you are on written record as having presented yourself within the time period.

I did my annual at VN this a.m., scheduling in advance for 5:30 a.m. in order to get in and out as quickly as possible. So much for that. Two female detectives opened the door and one asked why I was back when I was just there a few days ago. That pretty much set the tone for the rest of the longest registration session in 21 years: confusion. They were not rude at all. One was training the other, but the trainee I remember from last year. She registered me, or at least participated. The other girl kept dumping… Read more »

Thanks for sharing that they are asking to re-hash events 20 years ago. I was asked to do that my first time registering and haven’t been asked since. I would bet they are asking for THEIR training purposes. I will respectfully decline to answer and remind them it’s all in my report that they have in front of them as I don’t feel the need to further humiliate myself. I was also told when I “made my reservation” for the 3rd to bring a piece of mail to verify my address. Never been asked to do that before either.

The procedure / legal requirements for the registration process is outlined in PC 290.015. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=290-294 (on the official CA web site) This section is duplicated – scroll down a bit. Possibly because of confusion about Internet Identifiers, which has been settled (Prop 35). Remember – you are NOT required to report internet and ISP identifiers. (5) or (8) reads: Copies of adequate proof of residence, which shall be limited to a California driver’s license, California identification card, recent rent or utility receipt, printed personalized checks or other recent banking documents showing that person’s name and address, or any other information… Read more »

I’m happy you took the opportunity to vent. Whatever helps anyone get along with their life is good with me. I started getting angry as I read your words, as my own experiences and reactions have been so similar to what you shared. I too have become more and more bitter about this process over the years and also go in with a taciturn attitude. I’m at my worst when they come to my home on one of their little residency confirmation expeditions. I’m pretty curt and rude – “What?” “Yep” “Right”… and no “goodbye”. Let’s think about the 10’s… Read more »

I moved a couple years ago and became friends with my neighbors. One day, my neighbor called me at work. They had never called me before, so I was surprised. She explained that there was a police officer there who wanted to speak to me. The inappropriately titled “detective” said she was trying to conduct a 290 residency check and did I actually live there because she had come by several times and never found me home. Well, I drove home from work immediately to confirm to her that I did, in fact, live there. But seriously, what a pathetic… Read more »

David, as I said in my comment to “C” up above this one – what an incredible waste of policing resources to spend their time on this type of activity!

They should simply work their active case files and in the course of doing so they might end up going to the residences of many different former offenders. They might then actually eliminate suspects, solve a crime and if… IF… someone they wanted to interview didn’t actually live where they claimed then they would have a new active case, wouldn’t they?

This has nothing to do with police work and everything to do with politics and CYA. The checks only started after high profile cases and, like a lot of things that changed, post 9/11 hysteria. Osama won.

c, I agree 100%. People were so scared after 9/11 that they allowed the government to revoke our civil liberties and VOILA! the terrorist won! The Constitution was usurped and we did indeed change our way of life, just like the terrorists set out to do.

As a dreamer of better things, I thought of this scenario. While challenging the punitive nature of current SO laws, I’d like to walk into court with a chicken on a leash. Of course, I’d be asked why I have a chicken on a leash, but I’d respond, that’s not a chicken, it’s my seeing eye dog. Their response would be further questions, but my answer is, it’s my seeing eye dog because I said it is. Kind of like the difference (or similarity) between penalty and punishment. I’ll keep dreaming on… Doesn’t matter what you call it, if it… Read more »

mch, I’ve said it many times – tell me all you want that this isn’t an ex post facto punishment, but rather a “public safety measure”, but I know punishment when I feel it and this is definitely punitive. Like the Supreme Court justice once said, I might not be able to define pornography but I know it when I see it. I like this analogy because these registries are more pornographic than any “dirty” picture.

Question. How can i find out what level SO iam? Trying to figure out how stuff will affect me. In ca convict 261.5d/c. Thanks

Question: Which are the four States with lifetime registration?
1. California. 2. Florida 3. ? 4. ?
Thanks.

Alabama, California, Florida and South Carolina

California – forever the Great Paradox. 3 hard-core Red States and the supposedly liberal “left coast” State of California.

I believe that the life-time requirement in California is more a function of history than the state’s overall ideology or blueness.

See here (everyone should know what happened here)

http://www.solresearch.org/~SOLR/rprt/bkgrd/origin.asp

I do believe in the “red-neck” circles, that sex among men/boys or women/girl are horrendous were as sex among man/older girl or woman/boys is acceptable.

I started reading this thread, even though it’s March 1 …and I was appalled at some of the comments. Those who do not read history, are doomed to repeat it. The amount of fractionalization, marginalization and downright elitism I see in this movement, makes me sad. E.g., “My dog is bigger than your dog” because it’s my husband who offended, versus your son. Because my case is Federal, and yours is State. Because yours was a hands-on offense, and mine was merely virtual. Because mine was juvenile, and yours was adult. Et cetera, ad nauseum. Do you think anyone really… Read more »

Yes, like the Native Americans fighting among themselves while the Europeans pushed one tribe after another off their land. But on the other hand the victor knew how to squash any attempts to unify against a common cause, because that scared it more tgan anything else. Whether it was the ghost dance that was squashed at Wounded Knee or Occupy encampments gutted in all the major cities, be aware that every tool that can be used will be used to halt a determined and desperate group from forming alliances.

Thank you! I completely agree. Ever since the idea of a tiered registry bill, I’ve seen nothing but bickering and arguing that came loudly from those who were opposed to the idea because they were most concerned about how it could negatively impact them. It was always “me me me” with their lamenting about how they shouldn’t be sacrificed for a few people who would be dropped off the registry. Well those people can just give themselves a pat on the back because they got exactly what they wanted when no one in the legislature put their name to the… Read more »

Easy to say when you are not impacted.

My friend committed his crime over 30 years ago, and still no one will let him live near them. These laws treat people in a way that keeps them down for the rest of their lives….Oh, I see – let’s make laws that ruin people’s ability to live a decent place for the rest of their life even thogh they have served their sentence, and have never re-committed in 30 years time…Completely ridiculous. Can’t even buy a home because a home owner association won’t let you live there. Not letting people be successful and live a decent quality of life… Read more »

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