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RTAG’s International Travel Matrix

Registrant Travel Action Group (RTAG – www.registranttag.org), an RSOL affiliate organized to protect the international travel rights for lawful travel of registrants, is putting together a travel matrix, to serve as a snapshot guide to warn which countries you may have difficulty traveling to. Full Article

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  1. Lake County

    Great information. I wish I had the money for Hong Kong. However I wonder what will happen once we have our passports marked.

    • DE

      As of December 2017 Hong Kong was not a problem to get into.

      • Brian

        Dear DE,

        Did you, or did someone you know who is a PC 290 Registrant, go to Hong Kong in December? Thank you. I think you mean December, 2016, correct?

        • PK

          What is PC 290? Is that California Registry related?
          I don’t think everyone who uses the RTAG Matrix is a California RSO

        • AlexO

          Yes. 290 is the parent code of California’s entire registry.

        • Brian

          Sorry, I just meant RSO. Does anyone know of an RSO who has been to Hong Kong lately? I’m considering going to Hong Kong with my family and then going to Thailand from there. Any feedback is appreciated.

        • concerned registrant

          I was there for about a month this past May-June to reunite with my wife from the Philippines. No problems. However, I cannot say whether you will get into Thailand from there. Let us know if you accomplish this.

        • David Kennerly, the Very Model of "Containment"

          Hong Kong: everything we’ve heard has been positive, so far; they’ve let everyone in who has reported here (of which I’m aware).

          Thailand: you’re out of luck. This is one of the countries that readily blocks Registrants from entering. They were, after all, enthusiastic about Chris Smith’s IML even before it became law and he had met directly with Thai officials to drum up support, which they readily gave. They have been supporters of the ECPAT cabal for years.

        • Brian

          We were thinking if we buy separate tickets to Thailand once we’re in Hong Kong, then maybe I wouldn’t be on some notification or watch list. Thoughts?

        • David Kennerly, the Very Model of "Containment"

          That’s more difficult to say. It opens up the whole “how are they able to block us?” question which is still not entirely settled and is the subject of continued speculation here.

          My suspicion is that they (foreign governments) have multiple ways to identify Registrants on arrival, including a standing alert system that is not an individualized, per-trip alert (and does not require Registrant notification to the U.S. beforehand) and which is continuously available through the Interpol database. In other words, the information about your status would be continuously available through Interpol which will pop up with a match as soon as they scan your passport on arrival. It is also very likely that the U.S., because it appears to be in receipt of nearly all travel plans through airline manifest data even if the trip does not involve travel to or from the U.S., might still be able to send a trip alert to a foreign country when their incoming travel reports from airlines match a U.S. Registrant’s passport number which is needed to book a flight.

          I wouldn’t want to discourage you from trying it and it would have the advantage of sending you back to Hong Kong rather than all the way back to the U.S. if you are refused entry into Thailand (I should think).

        • Robert

          In went to Thailand in 2015. I flew to Malaysia and then bought tickets to Phuket on Air Asia. I did not but the tickets ahead of time. And I entered Thailand with no problem. Coming back into the states is where I got the 25 question quiz from CBP in San Francisco and then when I got home my local Sheriff was contacted by CBP that I was in Thailand. But thank God he just overlooked it

        • Brian

          I’m really appreciating all the comments and knowledge. Thanks for sharing your experiences and wisdom!
          Sincerely

        • AJ

          “In went to Thailand in 2015.” = Pre-IML.

        • David Kennerly, the Very Model of "Containment"

          That’s true although we also know that the U.S. was notifying countries of U.S. Registrant travel even before 2015.

          Still, countries can change policies at any time and we do know that the Interpol database can suddenly be implemented by a given country.

          There’s also the typically very wide latitude given to individual Immigration officials. Depends on who’s on duty.

          I, personally, would not want to try to go back to Thailand until after we have defeated IML (are we still going to file another lawsuit?) but would not want to discourage someone who’s willing to risk being turned back from doing so.

          Countries that have disembarkation cards to fill out before clearing Immigration typically ask if you have ever been refused entry before and they often have the means to confirm.

          Also, I do think that having once been refused entry into a given country is something that that country will remember even if IML is eventually overturned. One might want to keep that in mind as it could be a real bridge-burner.

  2. David

    This is great information!! Thanks, RTAG! Now I know that I can visit many of the places I’ve dreamed of seeing! (I’m surprised and thrilled about the Bahamas. I’ve long looked forward to returning there for a vacation, but assumed that I would be turned away.)

  3. Erwin

    Good info but things won’t really matter until the state dept slaps the “unique identifier” across your passport. I predict that matrix filling up with a lot of no s including the tolerant European countries

  4. Mike r

    I wonder how accurate that list is and like erwin says I’m sure it will grow with the no”s hate to be pessimistic but I live in the real world

  5. robert

    what are the classification levels of the people commenting, i am a tier 1 and im sure not looked at as i would if i was tier 2 or 3. i report 1 time a year and if i dont get arrested no one would ever know i report or where i live. once i am removed from the registery after i do my 15 years incident free will this still apply to me??

    • American Detained in America

      You might ask someone on that site and let people know what state you’re in. In California, we don’t have tiers at the moment.

  6. TiredOfHiding

    That list is worthless. No real data or details. You travel at your own risk and if the country has proven to be turning away sex offenders then assume you will not get in. If you have the funds and time to waste have at it but don’t count on ANY list being accurate.

    Have fun on your domestic vacations everyone and don’t forget that you probably will still be breaking some law no matter where you go or what state you visit.

    Second class citizens do not deserve to enjoy any aspect of life…we all know that!

    • Rob

      Its just a guide, relax. Don’t bash peoples time and effort for trying to be helpful for people who want to travel. Obviously it’s travel at your own risk.

    • Need to Know

      Please TiredofHiding. Your comment is not helpful. As someone who travels for work and has to deal with this issue all the time, this is very helpful and you need to appreciate that some people are trying to make life more manageable. The list is a work in progress but does help people just learning the system and what is going on.

      RTAG – Please keep up the great work. For every one person that is negative there are 100s that appreciate your efforts.

    • TiredOfHiding

      No problem guys…all that is obvious. Just stating the truth that most would rather live in a state of denial about.

      This tiny hope you might have will soon be gone with the IML and your passports marked as “American Pervert” so check out the country of your dream and see if there is a “yes” or “no” there but be fully aware that it makes NO DIFFERENCE in the long run.

      Happy 4th of July!

  7. David H

    In addition to informing us that a country denied entry–it’d be helpful if people who had traveled and let us know if they were successful or not—that’s the other half of the data here. Then if they were allowed entry it then begs the question what type offense they have (is t child related), and are they currently on a registry, and if so how long on or off. Just bits of information that goes through my mind as I process these results. Thank you for your hard work and efforts…

  8. Stumped

    So i just became a citizen of Mexico I now have dual citizenship I recently applied for and received my Mexican passport, what are the chances of me having any issues getting in? I was denied entry last year around this time. I became a Mexican citizen based on Mexican constitution which says anyone born to Mexican parents inside Mexican territory or abroad are considered Mexicans by birth, I had zero issues during the process just technicalities on my name but a smooth process overall.

    • PK

      I married a Mexican Citizen. With my Mexican Attorney and careful planning, I hope that I’m able to get my Temporary Visa, and eventually my Permanent Visa.

      • mike

        Pk could you have the admin send me the contact info for you Mexican attorney?

  9. Concerned Registrant

    Congratulations Stumped! I hope this works out well for you. I don’t know the answer to your question, but I hope that you have no problems now entering Mexico. Please let us know if you are able to enter without issues; it may be very important to some of us who have Mexican ancestry. Do you happen to know what percentage of one’s ancestry must be Mexican in order to apply for citizenship? I am 1/4 Mexican. My mother was half Mexican.

    • Stumped

      If Either of your parents where born in Mexico you are considered Mexican by birth it doesn’t matter if you where born in a different country. Both of my parents where born in Mexico but I was born in the U.S. I was hassled in Mexico a few years ago but I was let in because I was able to prove my parents where Mexican which made me
      Mexican. Then last year I went to Mexico again but had a stop in Mexico City to connect a flight to Guadalajara and
      They could care less if my parents where Mexican, they said either show your Mexican passport, birth certificate or voting card or your going back, since I didn’t have anything they sent me back the next morning. So immediately after I came back I went through the process of becoming a Mexican citizen, you will need your birth certificate your parents birth certificate your parents wedding certificate 2 witnesses and the process is free. On your first appointment if al paperwork you will get a certified letter declaring you a Mexican citizen, within a couple of weeks
      You can return to get your official birth certificate and receive your passport the same day if you made an appointment for that.

      • Doc Martin

        Did you give up your American citizenship or become a dual citizen?
        Most people are trying to get out of Mexico and become American, You would be doing the opposite

        • Stumped

          It’s dual citizenship, you don’t or can’t renounce your citizenship by doing this.

  10. Stumped

    I have read different title sections on both Mexican constitution and Mexican migration
    Law and they both state the same thing if you are a Mexican citizen by birth you cannot be deprived the right to enter Mexico period, so I feel good about my chances I have my Mexican passport which is my proof of Mexican citizenship I would not be surprised if they hassled me a little bit but I’m already use to that when coming back.

    • Oh, Canada!

      I am a dual national: Canada/U.S. I always travel on my Canadian passport and just use my U.S. passport to re-enter the U.S. I have no trouble at the Canadian border and traveled to Haiti this year without problems.

      • PK

        Hi,

        What is the significance of your post?

        Are you an RSO in the United States? Are you an RSO in Canada?

        When was your conviction?

        If you even are an RSO, what Level are you?

      • Rob

        Oh Canada –
        I have dual passports also, Germany/US. I am traveling for the first time in August, and will, as you, ONLY use my US passport for re-entry to the US. How were you treated upon re-entry? How long did it take? Thank you for any help you can provide.

        • Joe

          I am fairly certain that, for an international round-trip flight originating in the US, foreign passport holders must present proof of the right to return to the US at the airline check-in counter. For persons wishing to travel on a foreign passport that would have to be a Green Card or some sort of Visa.

          Since you are a US Citizen you will have none of those. The only way the airline will let you on the plane (even the outbound one) is if you present your US Passport.

          Other question – how does one acquire a German passport?

        • Rob

          Joe –
          Per the Consul General of Germany here in LA, I do not have to show my US passport upon leaving the US, only the passport I use to purchase my tickets (German). From that point forward, I will only use my German Passport to travel in other countries. I WILL need to use my US passport to check in on line for my RETURN flight back to the US and pass US customs at the airport HERE. That will be the only time I need to use my US passport. Oh, and my mother was born in Germany during WWII, that is how I was granted automatic citenzenship. I will move there upon retirement to live out my live in FREEDOM, which we no longer have in the US. Oh, and I did not purchse a round trip ticket, I purchased 2 one-way tickets at differnt times, having different confirmation numbers for different check in.

  11. Iceland?

    Does anyone have any information about registered citizens’ ability to visit Iceland and the Scandinavian countries of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Finland? Any restrictions??

    • David

      I visited Sweden last year. No problems at all!
      Just the two usual questions at their airport Customs : “Business or vacation?” and “How long will you be staying?”
      Then: “Thank you. Enjoy your visit.”

  12. Bill Arthur

    Secret — you can go to the Bahamas (Grand Bahama Island) without using a passport. Only need a certified birth certificate and drivers license on a ferry from Fort Lauderdale called Bahamas Ferry Express. Once you’re there, you can go to other islands within the Bahamas with no problem. I haven’t done this, but their website is very explicit about it. If anyone does accomplish this, please let the group know that it works. This is one of the only nations I have found where a US citizen can visit without a passport.

    http://gobahamasplus.com/fast-ferry-info/

    Just be careful not to stay in Florida so long before you leave that you have to register there. Read carefully the details on the CRSOL state-by-state US Sex Offender Registration Laws.

    I’d still love to hear about any new cruise updates (denied/allowed boarding). From my experience with cruises in the past, you don’t need a passport for a closed-loop cruise (leave/return same US destination on a Caribbean itinerary) and you can leave the ship in any port with your ship ID and not have to go through customs with a passport. This sounds like a great work-around.

    Royal Caribbean and Carnival have been mentioned as no-nos, but what about Holland American and Cunard, for example, which are owned by Carnival? There’s a subtle difference between Homeland Security sending a notice, which they can easily do in a 21-day advance state, but probably not in a non-SORNA-compliant three-day state (like Illinois). In that case, the cruise line would have to check all passengers with reservations against state registries — are they doing that?

  13. T

    The first time I had this experience was when I was flying to Mexico on 4/2016 which came as a surprise to me and then recently on 6/2016 when I flew to Lima, Peru, the same thing happened even after doing the notification with the Law enforcement. I guess I can’t go anywhere overseas because of the stigma I have to live for the rest of my life.

  14. T

    I have a question would it be a good idea to invite some immigration representatives of other countries who are reasonably curious to an RSOL conference discussion about the IML and let them know about what’s going on with the alert notices being sent out to them in claiming that registrants are traveling only to commit a future crime?

    • Lake County

      I seriously doubt that any country would send an immigration official to talk with us about the IML. Of all the rules that the U.S. wants to impose upon any country to follow, banning “dangerous” sex offenders is not an issue they are going to want to challenge the U.S. on. The U.S. doesn’t want us here and certainly other countries don’t want us. And the U.S. will not knowingly allow other countries criminals to come here.

  15. David

    Lake Country, I disagree. The European countries don’t seem to care at all about America’s stupid IML, Angel Watch, or green notices. I have encountered ZERO problems so far when traveling in European countries.

    • jo

      So simple it’s funny: fly to Paris, then once there, purchase tickets anywhere you want to go. No one in France is going to alert the country you are flying to that you are on a registry.

      • David Kennerly, the Very Model of "Containment"

        Except you will have the problem of having visited those countries without having given notice to the U.S./California of your intention to travel there although, if you’re not in a SORNA state, I admit that this requirement appears to be unenforced or barely enforced, at least for the time being. Also, your passport will probably be stamped at those countries and U.S. CBP will see them. I’m not sure how that should be handled.

        Also, don’t forget that there are other ways for a foreign country, or the U.S., to find out about your travels. There is the manifest database.

    • David Kennerly, the Very Model of "Containment"

      It is undoubtedly a great thing that Europe appears to be indifferent to IML but policies can change. The Dutch said five or six months back that they were gearing up to be more connected to Interpol at Schipol Airport which begs the question, is that why we have had no problems flying into A’dam because they did not receive those alerts? Probably not, especially considering a similar indifference exhibited by other European countries. Of course, I think of Dutch Immigration as being one of the most relaxed in Europe based on my own experiences going into A’dam (as my preferred gateway to Europe) one or two times a year over many years but, who knows? There is no doubt that Europe is far more hysterical about sex offenders than they were several decades ago, even if they haven’t reached quite the manic levels of the U.S. or Great Britain. I am hopeful that, with the emerging diminution of hysteria in the U.S., which is probably also true in Europe, that we may not see these refusals perhaps, in part, because Western and Central Europe are hardly “child prostitution” hotbeds with vulnerable and impoverished kids. Only the Anglo countries, amongst first-world nations, are so silly – or so hysterical – as to imagine that they are vulnerable to “child sex tourists.”

    • Fresa

      One question I have is, once you have been turned around entering a country (Mexico for vacation), does that mean your passport definitely has a green notice associated with it? So is trying to fly to Europe for vacation means the same thing will happen? We live in a SORNA state. Which Euro countries would let us vacation there with no issue? We would get a direct flight.

      -Fresa

      • Paul

        Your passport doesn’t have the green notice so much as the green notice is attached to the traveler. You can pretty much guarantee, once you have checked in for your flight, that the green notice has been generated and forwarded.

        When you get turned around at a destination, you are being denied entry. That can stay indefinitely with the destination country’s immigration program. So even if, decades from now, you are off the registry and attempt to revisit said country, you could find yourself answering questions related to that initial denial.

        As others have said, Europe appears to largely not care at all. Exceptions being the UK, and Ireland. Mexico cares. Australia and NZ care. Panama. Chile. They care. Canada for sure.

      • CR

        The Green Notice is always sent to the country you intend to travel to. This has been true for a long time due to Angel Watch notifying Interpol. It’s conceivable that some registered citizens could have slipped through the cracks now and then prior to IML, but the 21-day advance notification requirement of IML makes it very unlikely that anyone who is targeted by the law will ever arrive at their destination country without that notice having preceded them.

        It’s up to each country to decide whether to let you in. In theory, at least. Some anecdotal evidence suggests that some countries deny us entry because they believe that is what the US wants them to do.

  16. Mike G

    We have travel planned to Europe with a group tour in March. Before we make the final tour payment, I am wondering if there have been any changes in Europe’s allowing us RCs in.
    We are flying into Amsterdam, and will be visiting Netherlands, France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and Italy.
    We are flying back from Paris, but change planes in London. Is that going to be a problem? Has anyone had a problem transiting through Heathrow?
    Thank for any updates!

    • David Kennerly, Me Think Thou Doth Protest Too Much

      As far as I know, all of those countries are fine BUT you need to get rid of that London connection! Do not go anywhere in the U.K. or Ireland, even just to change planes.

    • Relief

      @Mike G- You will not be allowed to transit through London (or Ireland). You need a direct flight.

      • TS

        Echo these two cats – get a direct from Paris to USA, even if you have to change departing airlines from Paris or just schedule a direct with the original airline, then change planes within USA if needed.

    • Daniel

      I went from Oregon to LA to Heathrow to Amsterdam for my final destination back in September 2017 I had no issues or problems at the time. I didn’t go through London’s customs or anything so believe you’ll be okay! Goodluck

      • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

        Daniel, then you were lucky. We have had a number of reports of registrants being shipped back by the U.K. when all they were doing at Heathrow is changing planes to go to another European country. Going through the U.K. is NOT advisable even if you will not be clearing U.K. customs and leaving the airport.

      • Mike G

        I did end up transiting thru Heathrow on my trip back from Paris. Like Daniel, I didn’t go through Customs. I was on British Air in and British Air out, so I was only in what they called the transit terminal. They looked at my passport at the gate, but only to check me against my photo.

        I suspect that if I had changed airlines or changed terminals, it may have been a problem. At the time, I figured the worst they could do was send me back to Paris, where I would have had to buy an expensive ticket back to LA.

        Of course it was a week after that trip that my passport was revoked.

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