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176 sex offenders, mostly Americans, barred from entering PHL in first half of 2017- BI

[GMA News Online]

The Bureau of Immigration (BI) has barred nearly 200 foreign sex offenders from entering the Philippines during the first six months of the year.

Immigration Commissioner Jaime Morente said the 176 foreigners were denied entry due to their record as registered sex offenders (RSOs) or individuals convicted or are wanted for sex crimes in their home countries.

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  1. PHL? Hmmmm

    Without reading the article, PHL is the airport code for Philadelphia…..makes you do a double take on the headline 🙂 That would be some strict restrictions!

    Would be nice if they broke down the 131 ‘Muricans into what their RC charges were to see the spread. That info would be very help in understanding IML. If it is just RCs regardless of what the charges were, then there is info right there that would help in a lawsuit.

  2. 131 'Muricans

    Can a legal professional contact the news org, PHL BI or the PHL Consulate(s) in CA (SFO and LA) to get the 131 ‘Muricans break down and what info is actually shared other than an RC with this name is traveling to the PHL Islands? Isn’t that US info available via FOIA request of our USG at least since it is gov’t provided?

  3. j

    I tried visiting the Philippines last year in March, i have been there before many years ago but with secondary of course, I was 19 at the time of my situation im 42 now, i called Phillipines embassy here in los angeles to ask about entering and informed of my situation, the gentleman replied saying there’s (no problem) im good to go, so I’m thinking I’m free to travel as I’ve done many-many times (so I thought) i purchased plane and hotel ticket but upon getting to customs in the Philippines after swiping my passport I was asked to go in the backroom, they didn’t tell me why I couldn’t get in until hhmmmmmm, thinking about 6 hours later than they told me why, immigration says it’s a moral turpitude issue, that was my one and only situation in my entire life, i ended up on a plane back to Los Angeles which they payed for, my situation happened well over 22 years now, I’ve flown to 4 countries and multiple states here in the u.s with no problem until last year, but my passport expired and have no plans in the near future to venture again until 2018 (hopefully) sb 421 passes, than I will apply for passport again, make a few calls, petition to get off and roll the dice and see what I come up with.

    • Nicholas Maietta

      I am terrified of attempting to leave the country for any reason anymore. Hell, i’m terrified just to cross state lines.

      • New Person

        I’m in the same boat – afraid to cross state lines.

        • Michael

          @Nicholas Maietta
          @New Person

          Why are either of you afraid and terrified to cross state lines?

        • Will Allen

          I cross state lines a lot. I’m not “terrified” of it as Nicholas stated but it is very concerning. And it’s a concern that I should not have at all. It is not acceptable that I have to worry about it or “check in” with criminal law enforcement for any reason. Unacceptable. Society in general has been paying for that and it will continue. Their Registries and BS aren’t protecting anyone from me, and they are definitely harming a lot of people who aren’t me. So good job, dumbasses.

          I’m also worried about what would happen if I were arrested. I would have to very, very seriously retaliate. What level would I have to go to? Regardless, it would take a lot of work.

        • Derrick

          Does anybody know currently can an RSO enter Hong Kong?

        • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

          Derrick, so far, Hong Kong seems to be letting in Registrants without any problem. It may be the only country in Asia doing so.

        • NY won’t let go

          @Derrick Hong Kong is no issues, besides places to stay that are like coffins at the price of a normal hotel room.

          Don’t lose the slip of paper they give you when you enter the country otherwise you will get a hefty fine on the way out.

          They don’t stamp your passport and waste pages which is good.

    • Moral Turpitude?

      Moral turpitude? That is what they said?! That is the catch all clause of all clauses when nothing else will work. I say they are still pissed about us taking their country many moons ago and payback is a bitch.

    • KS

      Dude, you called the embassy and told them. They are probably required to tell US Angelwatch. He probably said you were good to go because he really did not know you would be turned back. There is a papertrail of due diligence which ends with Angelwatch sending the Philippines BI a letter notifying them of your entire itinerary, so, of course they were just basically waiting for you at that point. This system makes good use of due diligence processes in which the last official is obligated to inform the next.

    • Michael

      Moral Turpitude is a concept that the Republic of the Philippines knows nothing about. It’s a country that murders it’s own citizens on the streets, sans due process, with a “President” who has sanctioned mass murder of alleged criminals, drug users, and his political opponents. It’s a cesspool. Why would anyone want to travel there?


    • David Strack

      Can a convicted sex offender who dose not have a crime against a child go to the Philippines

  4. MatthewLL

    This is so stupid. I know several filipino men from work who travel every year back to their home country to visit local brothels with minors. Even saw them sharing photos amongst themselves and their conquests. I called them pedophiles to their face. So the Philippines won’t let anyone in who has a hint of sexual misconduct years ago, but have no problem serving little girls to their countrymen on a regular basis. These people are pathetic. Fortunately I have no desire to go visit that despicable country and their dictator.

    • Double A

      I agree with you that not letting people into a country because of their criminal history is stupid. I agree with you in regards to their leader being a dictator, but I completely disagree with you in regards to the country. I know a lot of Filipinos who are good people. Just because a few of them do things that YOU don’t agree with doesn’t mean the entire country is despicable. Every country including the United States have citizens displaying moral turpitude.

      • Steve

        I agree with you! I have visited the Philippines many times in the past and also lived there for 2 years when Marcos was the President. The country is beautiful once you get out of the large cities. I would love to go back when my wife visits her relatives but under the current laws that is no longer possible.

    • Counting the days

      It’s so comforting to know that hypocritical politicians aren’t just an american issue. Even worse is that a majority of Pinoys are Catholic. Such a hypocritical religion. It’s so frustrating to have to live by another’s leave. Those that privately fluant the laws they publicly endorse, and then use their money, friendships, and influence to avoid prosecution. I have found the general public is too wrapped up in their own miserable existences to bother with condemning others. That’s why politicians have to keep reminding them who the ” bad ” people are. Otherwise, they wouldn’t know or care. Sure, there are a small group of fanatics that probably were either molested themselves or are fake zelots bent on saving the world from “evil”. They will always be out there. Lurking about. Waiting to justify their own sad lives.

  5. Nicholas Maietta

    Should new information coming from foreign governments be used as evidence to show that IML is in fact causing this problem? Because it sure seems coincidental that IML was implemented and suddenly we can’t travel anymore to the Philippines yet prior to IML and “Angel Watch” this wasn’t an issue?

    As more of those countries public information, this will help support our stance that yes, we have been banned from traveling outside the US, because the US designed for this to happen and obviously, it’s working. It’s not direct, but indirect. I can’t see how this can be glossed over by the courts.

    • New Person

      Wouldn’t this be an extension of the registration system since the IML uses the registration system? If so, then according to Snyder case, the IML is ex post facto.

      • Civil rights first

        I am one that had travelled to a foreign country then after IML traveled to that same country again and was stopped as I deplaned and was denied entry because IML. We all know this is punishment, adding more crap on us. I traveled several times to other countries and never once had any issues. I’ve been in the community now 14 year and my offense was 20 years ago. Young and dumb ass they say… But forever being punished. I even did 10 years on probation and never once got any violation… But none of that matters. Washington state just enacted the 21 day notice before travel on the 28th of July to comply with IML. I was reading in a case though… A supreme Court case that a judge said making someone give an advanced notice of travel was wrong. I’m not AJ or some of the other guys on here but I’ll try and find that case again and read it again. I think the case was guest vs. united states…
        Anyway, has there been anymore development in the fight against IML? And I see mention about this Snyder case allot… Can someone post the link to it please.

        • AJ

          @Civil rights first
          Here’s a link that should give you all you need about Snyder: The decision of the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals is the link under “Op. below.” You can read a more plain-language summary here:

          On its face, Snyder is only about ex post facto; however if declared ex post facto, that means it is punishment–something the governmental bodies have denied up and down all along. If punishment, it cannot be applied without a judge’s input, something else that isn’t happening. Going a step further, if punishment, the double jeopardy, Equal Protection, and Full Faith and Credit Clauses of the US Constitution would apply. This means a State to which you move or travel wouldn’t be able to impose additional burdens on you beyond what was given at sentencing in the State where the offense happened.

          If/When you find that other case law, I’d love to read it!

        • Civil rights first

          @AJ Here is the link to that case… I not sure if any of it is usable but I found this interesting.
          In yesterday’s ruling, U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown wrote, “Although there are perhaps viable alternatives to flying for domestic travel within the continental United States such as traveling by car or train, the Court disagrees with Defendants’ contention that international air travel is a mere convenience in light of the realities of our modern world. Such an argument ignores the numerous reasons an individual may have for wanting or needing to travel overseas quickly such as for the birth of a child, the death of a loved one, a business opportunity, or a religious obligation… the Court concludes on this record that Plaintiffs have a constitutionally-protected liberty interest in traveling internationally by air, which is affected by being placed on the list.”

          Probably not much there but I’m sure you’ll understand it better

        • Robert

          Another relevant case is US v. Cotterman. A lot has evolved since this 2007 case regarding the issue of reasonable suspicion and traveling sex offenders. Undoubtedly IML must have its day in the courts because IML has taken the reasonable suspicion concerns by the Cotterman court to an unprecedented level that seems unlikely to survive a thorough judicial review by the high courts.


          This case took place in April 2007 and is a reference case for DHS and the Angel Watch. This case is particularly interesting because it revealed an early confirmation of the “Angel Watch Program” operating in 2006: footnote [8] The TECS alert is part of Operation Angel Watch, a program that targets California residents who are registered sex offenders based on the suspicion that those individuals who travel internationally are engaging in child sex tourism.

          Reasonable Suspicion was a big factor in the case and is worth reading in the opinion as well as the dissents: “In further support of reasonable suspicion, the government asserts that Mexico, from which the Cottermans were returning, is “a country associated with sex tourism.”[15] The ICE field office specifically informed Agent Riley that the alert was part of Operation Angel Watch, which targeted individuals potentially involved in sex tourism and alerted officials to be on the lookout for laptops, cameras and other paraphernalia of child pornography. See 156 Cong. Rec. S9581-03 (daily ed. Dec. 14, 2010) (describing Operation Angel Watch as a program “help[ing] ICE [to] identify travel patterns of convicted sex offenders who may attempt to exploit children in foreign countries”). Cotterman’s TECS alert, prior child-related conviction, frequent travels, crossing from a country known for sex tourism, and collection of electronic equipment, plus the parameters of the Operation Angel Watch program, taken collectively, gave rise to reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.”

          Dissent: The majority considers the TECS alert to be a sufficient basis for reasonable suspicion, but in reality, it is nothing more than a mechanism that automatically flags all individuals who are registered sex offenders in California—no matter the nature of the sex offense or how old the conviction—who travel frequently.[8] California is home to more than 106,000 sex offenders.[9] Some of these individuals are required to register as sex offenders for life. Depending on how many of them travel frequently, a TECS hit could affect tens of thousands of Californians—many with decades-old convictions. The TECS database clearly hits on “a very large category of presumably innocent travelers, who would be subject to virtually random seizures were the Court to conclude that as little foundation as there was in this case could justify a seizure.”

        • Robert

          In our future IML challenge: ACSOL, Does v. US

          (proposed) Writ of Certiorari to SCOTUS
          Question presented: Is an individual with a sex offense conviction involving someone under the age of 18 and their intent to travel internationally – the criteria currently asserted by the DHS Angel Watch Center to generate a “traveling sex offender” alert to a foreign country, sufficient basis for reasonable suspicion that the individual intends to participate in child sex tourism while traveling abroad?

          We can win this !

        • AJ

          @Civil rights first
          Thank you! I’m sure there will be nuggets to be found in it. The no-fly list parallels what IML does in a number of ways.

        • Civil rights first

          Well I never attempted to do a redress with the department of homeland security when I was denied entry into Thailand but I’m sure they wouldn’t of gave me a copy of the notice they sent telling Thailand that a convicted sex offender was traveling to Thailand and that I would commit similar crimes there.
          “The court also found that the government’s inclusion of our clients on the No-Fly List smeared them as suspected terrorists and altered their ability to lawfully board planes, resulting in injury to another constitutionally-protected right: freedom from reputational harm.”
          Well aren’t they doing the same to RSO’s? By sending notices to foreign countries that we are traveling to commit sex crimes or engage in sex tourism or human trafficking smearing our reputation especially if never arrested, charged or convicted of human trafficking which is what IML intent is…. just spitballing here

        • AJ

          @CR 1st
          I wholly agree that we’re given the equivalent of “No Fly List” handling. Unfortunately, we have the extra detail of a conviction, whereas many NFL people have no record. That said, a conviction doesn’t automatically tip a set of facts into reasonable suspicion. Absent my conviction, would my travel be handled equally? Absolutely not. Sending out Interpol notices on every single RC traveler cannot meet reasonable suspicion criteria, as they are generated en masse and without any specific analysis of me or my travel itinerary ( It’s in this vein that I again find Kennedy’s “troubling” statement in Packingham of interest (, document page 8). Like in Packingham, I think SCOTUS will say the Gov’t must show a compelling interest in why *every* RC is flagged in travel. It’s akin to having a checkpoint and only stopping the cars that are on a “DUI list,” the police have, while letting all the others go without a second look.

          IMHO, the days of legislatures being able to willy-nilly toss out restrictions on RCs is over. They’re actually going to have to do their job, truly finding (i.e. discovering through research) what specific laws need to be enacted, if any. I think the courts, at least the objective ones, are starting to hold the legislatures’ feet to the fire. I believe SCOTUS is of similar mind, and honestly wonder if they may swing around on the effect of even a simple Smith-like scheme.

          BTW, skimming over Packingham again, I just realized the Opinion never mentions Smith, and only Alito, in his concurring opinion, mentions CT DPS or McKune v Lile. Hmmm…foreshadowing my omission? One can hope!

    • JM of Wi.

      My thoughts are other countries can do whatever they please. The tempo of our international travel restrictions have increased dramatically. Even if we kill IML the damage done is not disappearing anytime soon. The longer it and Angel Watch are being implemented, the more doors are closing.

      • ml

        Angel Watch has done us in. We are in their data base now and even if the Angel Watch notifications are no longer sent, if you have been turned back, you will not be getting in. I hate living in the country.
        Check that I hate being alive in this country as there is no life.

        • Lake County

          That is why no one should travel to another country until the IML is stopped. Once another country gets the notification, you will be listed forever as a SO by that country, you will be in their computers for life even if IML or Angel Watch is stopped. I would love to travel, but I’m going to wait until notifications to other countries has stopped. Even if the destination country lets you in now, they might change their policies later to not allow us in. Hopefully it wont take too many years.

        • AJ

          @Lake County
          My thoughts exactly. The less of a paper trail I make with my travels (and in life, honestly) the better. The last thing I want to do is create a file for myself with Interpol, Europol, or “whomeverpol.” I’m laying low until IML and Angel Watch are angels themselves (i.e. dead). Or…until I permanently leave behind this sinking-ship of a nation (give me maybe 10 years and I’m there!).

  6. John

    Found this intresting this guy got deported from Belize and the judge says because he wasent in usa he didnt pose a threat to us children. It says something about the wording of the law ? Trying my hardest to be with my ph gf even harder to get her to understand how difficult it’s going to be. She is headed to Hong Kong im not sure if I can get in there yet:/

    • AJ

      This is a fairly old story and case, actually. The 10th ruled on this case back in 2011,
      so his skipping parole for Belize was obviously some time before that. ( What’s interesting is he was deported not for his offense, but for lacking proper immigration documents in Belize. That he skipped parole and failed to give “exit notice” to UT seem to have been icing on the cake.

      Good thing we have IML to fix that whole threat perspective, too….

    • Civil rights first

      I’ve had no issue with Hong Kong but that was a year ago that i last went there and that was only because IML got me blacklisted from my girlfriends country and i went into Hong Kong during my layover on the way back to the US. Good luck. I’m not going to attempt any more international travel until IML has been beaten. But that still won’t get me off the blacklist in Thailand…

    • concerned registrant

      Yes, you can get into HK. I just returned from being there for a month with my wife.

  7. Adrian H

    I got deported & blacklisted deplaning by Immigration In Thailand 9/12/2017
    I was visiting my online girlfriend to marry her in Thailand. She & I were able to stay together in Hong Kong for layover flight back to Los Angeles. I will be flying to HK 01/02/2018 to marry me fiancee, will HK permit a lo-risk SO FROM California

    • David Kennerly, "In the long list of all of your problems, I'm the least of them"

      PLEASE go to our International Survey page and fill out the form. We need to be documenting our experiences, either favorable or unfavorable when attempting to travel internationally. Here it is:

      __ Also, we should have a tab at the top of this website for easily accessing this survey and a means to see the results as they are gathered by the survey.

  8. CJ

    I attempted travel to the Phil. in March of 2016 from California and was sent back. My stay was intended to be slightly over 30 days which required a visa for extended stay (over 30) to visit friends and family. Upon my return to the US i visited the Phil. Counsulate in S.F. and was told that i would not have any problem should I choose to visit provided my stay would be less than 30 days and no special visa would be required. I then attempted to enter in Febuary of 2017 an was denied entry again. When i returned to S.F. i was met by Customs Officers while disembarking whom proceeded to confiscate all my electronic devices which had recording capability. I was then taken into custody by Homeland Security whom told me they would take me to jail immediately unless i gave them all passwords and full access to all items including email and internet accounts. After doing so as i had nothing to hide, they told me that my property would be returned to me within 30 days unless they found reason to otherwise come and arrest me at my home. About 90 days later i recieved a letter from the customs department stating that i had 3 choices concerning my property. I could (a) fight them in court for it , (b) donate my property to them, or (c) submit a sealed bid based upon an appraised value.
    When i inquired as to how to best maintain my relationships with friends and family i already possessed and whom currently reside in the Phil. I was told . ” well i wouldn’t try to go back as it is fairly obvious that someone does not want you there. When i asked Philippines immagration officials why they would not permit me entry they told me it was America which didnt want me entering. When i asked American embassy officals they said “we do not tell other countries whom to allow into there country”. To me that makes sense, however if they did…….. do i think the foriegn officals are going along with it? Most certainly. So who knows?

    • CJ

      I might add i have visited several other times some years ago both over and under 30 days at a time all without incident and trouble free but i was not a registrant at that time either.

      • Covered

        Wow, CJ, you could have saved yourself a lot of money and misery if you had just done your research on this website by reading all the posts regarding International Megans Law, International Travel, and had you visited the Registrants Travel Action Group site! The information is out there. I also cannot get into the Philippines to see my wife. It has been five years now since I was sent back.
        I suppose you have learned some things from your experience: (1) you cannot trust what you are told at the Embassy or Consulate because they either do not know the correct information, or because of the cultural penchant of Filipinos not to say anything negative. They don’t like to say “no”, unless they have to, which is what happens when you arrive in PH; (2) The U.S. does send travel notices to the Philippines which discourage you being allowed in; (3) Once you are turned around by the Philippines, they enter you onto their database as forbidden to enter. You should have received paperwork from Philippine Immigration stating these issues, as I did. Until, and unless, you get this restriction removed by the Philippine Immigration Commission, you will never be allowed into the Philippines. Research on the Internet will lead you to the proper information on how to do this. The process will be expensive and difficult to win. You will need a Philippines attorney who will actually do something for you, rather than just take your money. Removal of the restriction depends upon the nature of your U.S. conviction and the kind of relationship you have with the Philippines — relatives in country, a Filipino spouse, if you were previously a legal resident in PH, etc.
        Regarding the confiscation of your property, and informing you how to get it back or donate it, that seems extremely improper, unless you are not giving us all the details. I think the only response would be to take them to court. It is an issue that should be brought to the attention of the ACLU and/or a civil rights attorney. Good luck.

        • Covered

          Another point: When you travel, don’t take any expensive items that you don’t mind getting confiscated.

        • David Kennerly, There But For the Grace Of Dog...

          I would rephrase that slightly: “When you travel, don’t take any expensive items that you don’t mind getting STOLEN by government thugs.”

    • Sam

      So they robbed you and demanded money to get your own stuff back after they got you kicked out of a country twice.

      I’m not sure how any of this is protecting anyone. Seriously.

      I find it interesting that the Philippines immigration and consulate said that you could have come in if it were not for the US.

      That’s definitely restricting travel which is unconstitutional

  9. Brian

    I was reading through this post and I was thinking, maybe you all should save your money for lawyers and whatnot to fight the very reason your all being deported back to the US or wherever and not being allowed to go somewhere, I see so many people saying they have no money this and that , but now I see people going on 30 day vacations and going to marry, I mean it’s nice to get away on vacation and all but don’t whine about not having money for a lawyer, don’t make sense to me, but hey maybe you don’t have money problems, no pun intended…

    • Sam

      I get what you mean, but (I hate starting sentences like this) I’ve myself spent close to 15k and gotten nowhere fighting the registry and my risk assessment.

      Depending where you’re at lawyers generally want cash upfront in the amount of 5,000-40k with no promises and this is just for them the even touch it.

      As for vacations for 30 days. What most people spend in the US in a day or two I make/spend in a month living where I am currently. I’m pretty sure the Philippines is cheaper than here even as I was looking at job listings and the pay for about 10 hours worth of freelance work was only paying about 5USD.

      In my case I work for local wages which equates to roughly 500usd per month which is a pretty good job here as minimum wage here is 125usd/month is places. But to hire a lawyer to take on the registry on an income like mine would be improbable lol I’d have to save for a good 10 years

      • Covered

        In my opinion, you are doing exactly right. First priority is finding and keeping a place where you can live your life. I have looked at the options for hiring a lawyer to get back to the Philippines. The timing right now is very bad. The present government is unsympathetic. Perhaps in time that will change. The way it is set up for getting removed from the blacklist in the Philippines makes it almost impossible if one is a level 3 offender. And, since I cannot get into the Philippines, the attorneys would be perfectly safe to collect my money and do nothing.
        You are also correct about the costs overseas. It is easier to save money for a trip to a receptive country than to accomplish anything here in the States. At least I get to be with my wife for a few weeks in a third country every year or two.
        Everyone needs to look at their own circumstances and decide what is most important. For me, the best money I spend is that which I spend to maintain my marriage, even if it is in an imperfect situation. The vows we made included the words “for better and for worse.”
        It’s not that I wouldn’t be willing to spend money on an attorney, if I had money to spare. But I don’t. I barely get by for my personal needs, the needs of my wife, and our occasional reunions. I have offered myself to Janice as a plaintiff, but apparently my case is not best for litigation against IML.

        • Sam

          Yeah the current climate is not to friendly towards anyone right now. They have hit squads going around killing anyone who looks like they use drugs. There are selective third party countries that are rather cheap to fly to from the US. My sister is planning on visiting soon and she said flights stopping in China first were about 400 round trip. Which is like 900 less than my ticket here. So prices are going down.

          It sucks you can’t see your wife. The time difference is a killer too.
          I had to spend a year apart from mine before I had enough saved to move. I spent literally the whole year starving and sending every penny I could over here. Out of a weekly paycheck of 500 I sent 350-450 and used the leftover for rent and bills. Luckily I had a place to stay where I would just have to chip in that little bit I had left for rent.

          To save enough I gave up all my pride. My clothes were always dirty from work because I didn’t have the money to take them to the laundry and motor oil doesn’t come out of clothes well in the sink. I seriously looked homeless and slept at work a good few days out of the week to cut the cost of driving home.

          Food was another story, I never ate out and lived on rice and other food I could get for free. I was always hungry. And I wasn’t above eating someone else leftovers/stuff they were gonna toss.

          If you know of all the organic salad places or little Caesar’s pizza places they generally toss the stuff they can’t sell still in boxes and sealed packaging so on a good day I would eat like a king with pizza and salad.

          Some people don’t know what they have to give to be with the one they love and those people are the ones missing out because they will never know the feeling of finally getting to be with the person you fought so hard to see.

          Some will complain that you’re not trying hard enough to better your situation. But each of us has our own battles to be fought and we shouldn’t Judge eachother’s struggles.

          As far as I know none of the people that frequent this site are monsters, by monster I mean google Richard Huckle. He is the reason SE Asian countries are playing along with this IML thing. He was in fact very malicious and sick and I feel no sorrow for him and his multiple life sentences for his 70+ convictions which is less than half of his actual crimes.

        • Covered

          Well, rejoice that you are in a place that allows you more freedom. I would love to find a place where my wife and I could live together. But there are a few issues besides IML that are keeping me in the States — for now. One issue that I have had trouble getting my mind around is getting money transferred from an account in the U.S. I have a pension and next year I will start collecting Social Security and I get a small income from a rental property. Obviously, there is the option to have someone in the U.S. oversee your accounts and send money by Western Union, or other means. But I would prefer to find a place where I can get a bank account in country. Otherwise, one might have to abandon all U.S. funds and provide for yourself in the country, as you seem to be doing.
          My ultimate goal is to find a way to live in another country legally so that I can use the U.S. income, or back and forth between a couple of countries so as not to have to obtain permanent resident status. Not an easy proposition, but I think there must be some way to accomplish this. In the meantime, my wife and I are trusting the Lord God and continuing in faith and prayer until that glorious day when we shall be in heaven together by God’s mercy forever.
          There is no registration in heaven. The only question is whether one is written in the Book of Life, and, if we are understanding the Scriptures correctly, that is all dependent upon whether we believe God regarding His provided way of salvation by faith in His one and only begotten Son Jesus Christ, and his sacrifice on a cross to pay for our sins — not according to anything we have done, but according to His mercy (Titus 3:5). “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.” (Romans 3:23-24).
          Have a happy New Year.

        • Sam

          For the US funds open a Citibank account. Get direct deposit of funds. There are Citibank all around here(SE Asia)

        • David Kennerly, There But For the Grace Of Dog...

          Sam, my business partner is an ex-pat and ex-American, having relinquished his U.S. Citizenship. From his experiences, I can say that banking, for ex-pat Americans, has become a nightmare. He can’t seem to keep his accounts open, including Citibank, simply because he was once an American. The U.S. banking laws have become so absurd that it is no longer worthwhile for many banks to have American customers, including former American customers, it would seem. Citibank does have branch locations all over the world but you will find that they are not entirely under the umbrella of a single Citibank company but autonomous units operating under the laws of each country. This makes transfers of money both more expensive and more complicated than one might imagine. The “Know Your Customer” laws of the U.S. are so onerous that it has become extremely difficult to comply with them and foreign banks, even Citibanks, have made it extremely difficult for an American to open, or to keep open, an account.

        • Sam

          I was thinking if he were to just use the account for spending and whatnot there would be no need to transfer money. The ATMs here,Thailand, Indonesia and in Korea had no fees as long as you had a Citibank card. And the withdrawal fees are pretty negligible if you don’t.
          And so long as he gets it all direct deposited it should stay active.

          Not sure the know your customer laws they have in the US because last time I opened an account it took 5 minutes in 2015. Here requires a full governments background check and with known terror groups.

          For international transfers I always just used transferwise and payoneer. Transferwise only charges 1% for transactions. Also they now have an option for an international multi money bank account. You just have to send them proof of address.

          Western Union is the worst way to transfer as well as money gram. They charge high fees, like 8% plus their exchange rate is usually off by a percent or few.

          @David did he have another nationality before he relinquished his US citizenship? I know to open a bank here you have to have a working visa for at least 6 months-1 year validity. As well as an offer letter from your job.

          Expats here well they are spoiled rotten by their companies. They’re provided a car, home, petrol and food expenses on top of their wages that are ridiculous. Most get paid 5-10x the local average income.

          Too bad I work for local wages haha and live like a local.

        • David Kennerly, There But For the Grace Of Dog...

          He had acquired St. Kitt’s as well as Dominican citizenship. Yeah, you could simply use a U.S. account to withdraw from foreign ATMs and, as you say, not incur most of the fees (except currency exchange) with qualifying ATMs. All of your money would have to go through that account, though. The problem would be any income you have that is foreign, i.e. not-American, -sourced. I don’t think that it is possible to get a paycheck from outside the U.S. direct-deposited to a U.S. account. I think you would have problems mailing it to the U.S. account and having it be accepted, too. Obviously, you should have someone in the U.S. who can handle (and is authorized) to do your Dollar-denominated banking. I had a friend I did this for years ago for the several years he lived outside of the U.S. I guess this is what “Covered” says he would like to avoid. Covered, you should do this if at all possible. By all means try to open an account in the country you are going to but know that this is getting harder all the time and we can thank the U.S. government for that. I had two foreign bank accounts which I closed when they started with the nonsense that you had to report all foreign bank accounts. Since then they have gotten much worse and many banks don’t want American customers anymore and are looking to close existing accounts.

        • Covered

          Good discussion and points from both of you. It is correct that Citibank has branches is S.E. Asia. Before by removal from the Philippines, I had made arrangements to open a joint account with my wife there, and was told what to do to accomplish this. I already had an account in the U.S., and I was told to take my wife to the branch in Manila and have her sign paperwork in the presence of the banker. In Manila they said this was not possible because the Philippines branches were independent of the U.S. branches. There could be no linking of our accounts in this manner.

          It does appear that the best option is to have someone in the U.S. with access to your account (where income is direct deposited) to oversee your banking and send money as needed (even if one had to pay the onerous rates of Western Union). Depending upon the complexity of the situation (say rental income property coming in and tax preparations) one might have to hire a professional accountant. But you had better trust that money manager.

        • David Kennerly, There But For the Grace Of Dog...

          Also, everyone should remember that the U.S. is one of only two countries that taxes its citizens on worldwide income not earned in their home countries. The other is Eritrea. That means that if you earn money while you are living abroad you are obliged to file U.S. tax returns and pay taxes on that income.

        • Sam

          It’s funny about that. My wages here and in the US when I lived there don’t even qualify as enough to pay income tax in either country which is a pretty sad thing to say but yeah.

        • AJ

          The US also makes it harder on foreign banks by requiring all funds of US citizens be held in USD, not local currency. Any bank not complying is prevented from engaging with the US banking system.

          You know, I really kind of relish the day the US is no longer the world’s bully, and everyone starts to ignore our brutish ways. Our days are numbered, that’s for sure.

        • Joe

          Last paragraph… not sure what this man has to do with registrants being turned away from the Philippines but…

          1. Richard Huckle had no criminal record whatsoever, let alone a sex offence conviction in the UK. Why would he be a reason SE Asian countries are playing along with this IML thing?

          2. if you feel no sorrow for a sentence usually reserved for multiple murderers, are convinced he has committed more crimes than convicted of, consider this man a sick and malicious monster… why do you expect or hope that the general pubic view you any different for whatever got you on this list (only a fraction of which was most likely known and resulted in a conviction)?

        • Sam

          Okay, Richard Huckle documented over 200 instances himself and wrote a book on how to take advantage of poor south east Asians. He openly handed out this guide and sold it on the dark net along with videos he produced. He had no remorse for his actions.

          I say that he is the reason that south east Asian countries want to play along is because he is a white guy who came to a foreign country and raped over 200 confirmed kids. If that isn’t a monster then I don’t know what is.

  10. yuck

    I say this as being part Filipino, and it may seem a bit racist against “my own,” but who would want to visit the Philippines anyway? It’s dirty, smelly, filthy, etc. The country has the highest Catholicism rates, yet the Philippines seems to discriminate against registrants (and others with criminal records)… so where is the forgiveness and openness to redemption? Is forgiveness and redemption not what the Catholic church advocates? Also, what’s with their dictator Rodrigo Duterte?

    Philippines. The Catholic country that elected a crazed dictator, ala mini-Trump, that panders to fear, racism, sexism, etc. Again, I see it as a blessing that I am essentially banned from that place. The U.S. isn’t perfect, but at least there is hope in the reasonably intelligent few in our judiciary (forget the legislature and executive branches) that may or may not extend the protections of our Constitution against obscene “sex offender” laws. But then again, the whole “sex offender” propaganda/pandemonium began in the U.S…

  11. Robert

    @yuck…rather ignorant comments all around. I am not Filipino but my wife is 100%. This policy is not a reflection of the average Filipino view. I spent many hours with the immigration officials in Philippines due to alerts sent from the US government. Many Filipinos went well above to help me and my wife. This policy is not because of the Filipinos, you are very wrong here. They do not do this to their own people. This policy is the US government. When I asked the same question that you asked….,why am I treated like this? – the answer is always the same – if your government does not want you here then we feel obliged to act accordingly and refuse your entry based on the information received from your government.

  12. Robert

    Agree about Duterte, I don’t get it completely myself. I do understand somewhat, he is seen as the anti-establishment force by the Filipinos who put him in and that seems to be all that matters for them. The lack of due process is astounding. The drug killings will probably put him behind bars when he leaves office. Corruption is still the order of the day here. But then the US has our version with our own elected villainous leaders………

  13. Steve

    I’m a RSO in Texas and trying to get off the Texas registry (they have a procedure for doing this – but not all who apply succeed). IF I get off the Texas registry, will I also be able to get off the “national” registry here in the States? And if successful, how will I know if the Angel Watch people will get the word so I won’t be denied travel like I was at DFW airport last month. I find I now cannot return to my wife and family in the PH. Any thoughts? Thanks.

  14. Time to Travel

    Ok, so I have been to Manila 30 times. In 2014 I was Returned 9they did notsay why)

    I then went to BKK and to the Philipians embasy, they said “your fine” so I went to Clark.

    They said “your blacklisted” as a Convicted Sex offender! I said WHAT? This was an Interpol entry… in the airport only.. not BI… Clark let me in, and i traveled back and forth 6 times.

    2018 went to Manila, they said NO “cant come in”

    The issue is I have not once been in trouble anyplace. Its more about Corruption in America.

    So I hired 3 Lawyers,

    1 in Manila ($3,000)
    1 in Davao ($2,000)
    1 in America ($3,500)

    And im still not cleared.

    America is telling 100% lies.

    And its extremely unfair to us Americans whom have a legal Right to Travel.

    Notice they don’t respect your travel… since that’s against the Law…


    You have to get a BI clearance and at Interpol in Italy or Spain..

    Its a night mare and waste of a lot of USD….


  15. John

    I have recently fallen in love with the most perfect person who is in Philippines. I also recently got out of prison for a crime I honestly did not commit. (Procuring alcohol to minor, & child enticement. Me and my new soon to be fiancee have been making plans to meet her & her father in cainta Philippines. It wasn’t til I did research and read these things posted that I realized my dreams are shattered!! So my inquiry is what if I denounce my U.S. citizenship? Would that allow me to go there? Or even to a different country 1st then I’ll technically be a citizen of a non us country…then maybe move to Philippines. What’s your take on this idea? I want a happy life and I want her to have a happy life, but I got to get to her somehow… Please let me know anythinh. Thanks for everyone’s support!!!


      I’m in the same situation
      I met a girl in the Philippines we want to meet and get married but cannot because I will never be allowed in to the Philippines again
      I visited the Philippines in 2010, I was unaware of all the rules for the sex offenders, and bought my passport and a ticket and just left and didn’t tell anyone I was going, as a sex offereder you have to tell them I’m going here, and then the paperwork travels to black list you
      I got denied my second time trying too got to the Philippines, only to come bake with no explanation of why, and I was not in compliance with the registery, so I got into compliance, and just tried again and was denied, with no explanation again from customs
      You just get shuffled back on a plane a A.S. quickly as they can to get you off their soil.
      They never check as to what your convictions actually are, they just S.E. sex offender, that’s enough
      I demanded something from them and I did get a piece of paper and the reason they listed was “BLO” that’s what was on my paperwork
      After coming home, checking in with the registry, I wanted to know and understand the process
      I have to check in with the local sheriff office in my area in Michigan, they can never answer my questions, and I was not in compliance, because of false information given from one of the ladies behind the glass, which almost got me put back in jail, I got it fixed paid the fine and I’m in compliance now, and still not allowed to visit the Philippines, even when my sexual convictions and having no victim(s).
      I believe this is the process that violates your constitutional rights if your on the sex offender registry, at least in Michigan, that the state I’m in.

      So I check in tell the sheriff I’m going on vacation to the Philippines, they put in the box that says residence your destination, so you will have your regular address the your vacation address, as being in compliance it on your paperwork.
      The sheriff the sends all your updated information to the Michigan State Police, the state police then send your information off once again to the Department of Justice.
      Once the department of justice get your paperwork and know where your going then they tell the country your going to to black list you, or basically here comes the monster and you don’t get let in
      After about 18000 miles in 2 1/2 days on a plane and getting home I went to or call and found out the process
      I’ve call a couple lawyers, because I want to file a lawsuit on the department of justice for violating my constitutional and amendment rights
      I’m probably going to be the first, but I think every sex offender should follow my lead
      I’m sick of living like I’m still in jail, years after
      And our current governor (we will just call him Rick) thought he was doing a justice to Michigan or the world, with a stroke of a pen, further violating and re convicting to longer sentences, making my 5 years left on the registry now a lifetime, when I was first put on the sex offender registry, it was for 25 years, now a stroke of ricks pen and now I have a natural life sentence with no court appearance no judges decision, just more unconstitutional action from higher government officials that should be put in jail, for the rest of their life’s
      I spoke with a lawyer and they are helping me find a lawyer that works with this sort of wrong doing
      I’m going to let everyone know, that I may have screwed up as a kids, but don’t need to be punished for making mistakes at a young age all the way until I die, especially with no victims

      I’m going to be starting a petition to change the laws and stop discrimination against sex offender, I want everyone with a felony to be on the registry, because what about the violent offender that lives next door to you, or the drug dealer living next to you, oh you only know where the sex offender live, but not all the other criminals, how does that make you safe
      Use your first amendment right to free speach, even though the government takes that from you too, don’t be afraid to let someone hear your voice, if you don’t speak you can never be heard
      Stand up speak out and try and get a normal life back

      • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

        Yup! That’s awful. Sorry that happened to you.

      • Will Allen

        Very sorry all of that happened to you. 100% unacceptable. And that is not something that any legal, legitimate governments would do. Only criminal regimes act like Amerika is.

        You said, “… as a sex offereder you have to tell them I’m going here, …”. That is not true. There are no rules regarding “$EX offenders”. The requirement to notify the U.S. government of international travel applies to people who are listed on their $EX Offender Registries. Has nothing to do with “$EX offenders”.

        You could look on the bright side that you are giving a lot of people jobs. Hopefully those people are not scumbags who support the Registries, but you never know. I’m sure you are also helping a lot of business people and owners in the “$EX offender” industry to make some good money. So at least you are generating work and moving money around. It’s all idiotic but it gives people something to do.

        I do hope that you decided to wage war on all people who support the Registries. They deserve to be punished every day.

      • Robert

        I know how you feel. I was denied entry into the Philippines back in 2013 after going there for 10 years with bo problem. What got me blacklisted ws I did a visa extension to stay longer in the Phils and that promped a background check through the US embassy there. And now I am blacklisted. I was a level 1 with no designation in New York State and was removed from the registry on March 16 2016. I still cannot get into the Philippines. And I flat refused twice to get back on a plane. After a few days then I leave. I still can’t get my wife and children to the US to be with me when I was removed from the registry. It has been 3 years that I have not seen, talked to my wife or my two girls who will now be 10 and 11. I have no idea where they are and her family eliminated all contact numbers and e mail addresses. The US government doesn’t give a rats ass about us or our families. All they did to me was make me develope extreme hate. I feel for you

        • Will Allen

          I embrace, nurture, and grow my hate and make sure that it affects the right people in the real world. It is not acceptable to me to have that hate without ensuring that it matters and counts, in the most effective ways possible.

          My family matters. The fact that people won’t leave them alone matters. So those people must pay dearly.

        • Confused

          I am confused about your comment. If you are off the registry, and the P.I. Only bands RSOs, and no notice is sent, then how/ why did embassy notify them of a non existent status. Also If I was there, I think I would have ignored doing an extension. Just like the U.S. has so many that have just blown off their extensions and have lived here 20 yrs or more. If it was between keeping my family together and coming back for a job, easy decision for me.

      • NY won’t let go

        The good news for your situation is that you’re from Michigan. Once you move out of the state/country they take you off their registry.

        So what you do is just tell them that you are moving out of the country. Then leave and never look back. I made the fatal flaw of moving to NY in between now I’m still subject to their registry after leaving.

    • Will

      If you find out anything about denouncing citizenship and moving to a different country please post. I recently also found the perfect woman in the Philippines. She knows all of my background. I’m trying to get a lawyer now to go back and prove my innocences. There was no evidence in the first place because I didn’t commit this crime, but I do now know the difficulties that come with like sentences. I know that not every person is a monster and most just made a honest mistake when they were younger. Thanks for any help!!

  16. Kevin

    I was one of the people turned away in 2017 I went to see my Filipina girlfriend who was 27 she was fully aware of my criminal conviction and had no problems the laws they have enacted under the guise of protecting the people don’t protect anybody in fact the punishment goes beyond the crime that I committed as it punishes the innocent, my girlfriend was one of the victims of this stupid law it shouldn’t exist in any country, and yes it is double jeopardy because it’s a sentence being imposed after we’ve all served our time. We may be able to argue the point about due process and double jeopardy but the true argument is protecting those who have done no wrong why should they suffer because of someone else’s fear if they can show that they’re fully aware of our lives in our history it’s their choice and if we’re not committing another crime then leave it alone…. I should also add that I am the first case ever to win against the Adam Walsh act when it came to immigration I was formerly married to a Spanish woman from Central America and upon requesting a change of status they tried to deport my wife to her country we fought this case in three years we won my case can be found under immigration law

  17. Dan

    I have been introduced to a wonderful woman in the Philippines, and we want to get married, I have a certificate of relief of disability. I am trying to figure out if I will be able to go visit her If I can be removed from SORA. is there any advice anybody can give me or will I never be able to visit?

    • wonderin

      @Dan You can always meet up outside of the Philippines but that doesn’t solve your problems of immigration.

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