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I sent email to PBS weekend newshour and suggested doing a report on the registry and it’s effects on individuals, families, and communities. I have offered to be the subject of an interview if they decide to move on my idea.
I will post any response here. Along those lines, and without knowing any possible parameters, let me know if anyone is willing to step forward and allow their story to be told.
I might be blowing in the wind, but considering we live in a hurricane anyway, what could it hurt.

Thank you,

Damn that is a long read I have to go through AJ…Definitely a good resource for when it comes time for appeal though that is for sure…So I was hitting up lawyers on AVVO and they are all telling me a judge has as long as they wish to respond to a motion to dismiss. They say the longer it takes the closer the case must be. Well it has been nearly two months now in my case and nearly four months since I filed my objections to the Magistrates F and D. Interesting…. ;l

https://www.stradley.com/~/media/Files/ResourcesLanding/Publications/2001/01/Standards%20of%20Appellate%20Review%20in%20the%20Federal%20Cir__/Files/krc-standards/FileAttachment/krc-standards.pdf

I stumbled across a pending case in the Middle District of Alabama (Doe v. Marshall) that provides some help to anyone wishing to challenge marked ID/DL laws and/or reporting internet/email IDs. The document is an Opinion from the judge for the case, and he does a fantastic job of detailing how and why marked ID/DLs are compelled speech and how and why reporting Internet IDs is a 1st Amdt. issue. He nicely shreds the State’s arguments. I downloaded it from PACER* and posted it here: https://ufile.io/sqnui *I discovered that while most things on PACER are $0.10/page (max $3.00/doc), Opinions are… Read more »

Why isn’t. 1 amnd used to fight IML.?

Wow! Great find! It’s like a new fire has been lit under you lately with your new tools of research. Bravo! The potential wins in this one are great. I love the stuff on identifiers, impeding family relationships, and right to free speech. I am really disappointed though in the ruling granting dismissal of the irrebuttable-presumption argument and citing the horrid Connecticut DPS V Doe (2003). That DPS V Doe decision left wide open, and begged for a Substantive Due Process challenge that this defendant (unlike DPS V Doe) did not give up on. This judge should have left open… Read more »

For those interested in Doe v. Marshall, here’s the “Doc. # 51” that gets referenced a number of times in the document I linked above: https://ufile.io/k7vp7. (Once again, being an Opinion, it was free to download from PACER…though it did cost $0.10 to run a query to find the case.)

I have not read it, save for two paragraphs referenced in the later document. Enjoy!

Another interesting case, this time out of Maine. A RC sued saying SORA is a Bill of Attainder, which the lower court dismissed. On appeal, the ME Supreme Court vacated the judgment and remanded for further consideration. In its Opinion, ME SC found ruled in Doe’s favor regarding two (inflicts punishment; without a judicial trial) of the three elements that decide a law is a BoA. What’s odd is they left the “easy” one for the inferior court to determine: applies specifically to named individuals or to identifiable members of a group. This would seem a no-brainer, and I suspect… Read more »

Thank you, AJ!!

Yep AJ, the registry has it’s numbered days and it is coming down my friend….One court after another and to think they have not even been hit with our reports and challenge to the Smith “frightening and high” recidivism rates. I bet Mendez is really putting some serious thought into what we have presented him.. That last objections were perfect and the judicial notice was icing on the cake………..No reasonable mind would come to any other conclusion that the registry is everything we said it was in my suit and BoA, punishment, substantive due process, frigging list goes on and… Read more »

Mike r
Are you prose or do you have an attorney? Also were they suposed to remove you from the hate list based on the magistrates order? I’m just asking because I will be in court soon , just wandering how it could possibly play out for me as well.

You are just on fire with these finds lately! I am particularly interested in this case it is referring to, but I cannot find it to read further: ***** The imposition of punishment without trial “violates fundamental constitutional principles” because it allows the legislature to “circumvent[] the judicial process.” Doe v. Weld, 954 F.Supp. 425, 430 (D. Mass. 1996) ***** Can you find that and provide it by chance? I am curious how the entire registration scheme does not “circumvent the judicial process” not just by retroactively increasing burdens, but also by taking the power away from the judge to… Read more »

@Chris F:
Doe v. Weld (https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/954/425/1488638/).

I haven’t read it, merely found it for you.

Thanks AJ! It is an interesting read, even though only an opinion denying an injunction prior to a real hearing. The quote “circumvent[] the judicial process.” which was the entire reason I wanted to see it, is of course not even from this text, but just re-quoted from another earlier court text. I am not sure why they don’t just give the real original origin and instead just another case that uses it. Here is the section of the Doe V Weld that actually has the original reference: ***** 2. Bills of Attainder The prohibition against Bills of Attainder, Art… Read more »

(finding that the Bill of Attainder clause was prompted by “the fear that the legislature, in seeking to pander to the inflamed popular constituency, will find it expedient openly to assume the mantle of judge or worse still, lynch mob”).

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That perfectly describes the driving motivation behind the continually escalating legislative efforts against former sex offenders. These laws are clearly Bills of Attainder, masquerading as civil regulatory laws by virtue of their false attribution of non-punitive intent, blessed with a dissembling wink and a nod by Kennedy and his fellow baboons in black pajamas.

@Chris F:
I am not sure why they don’t just give the real original origin and instead just another case that uses it.
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I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s done to make the cited case law “stronger” by showing it remains valid and and in use. Each case builds upon the earlier pieces used…kind of like “frightening and high.” 🙁 Indeed, few quote the original case (McKune v. Lile) where Kennedy said that, instead citing Smith, for greater effect.

This is a personal health question. 1st, no previous history of anxiety or depression (at least not diagnosed). Now, pretty much daily depression and quit often at least 1 anxiety attack( mild) a day. It centers around my inability to progress in my self employment. I gave up answering offers and applying, since you all know what happens in the course of that. Especially since my profession puts me in front of people. It is a day to day struggle that is getting worse. I often have suicidal thoughts 3 – 4 times a day. I struggle to make rent… Read more »

Hey! Wtf I’m here for you ! Don’t let these things in life get to you ! Ive been homeless ! And some billionaires too ! Your life has meaning and value ! Major thing I found out about life is ironic e.g..such as born alone die alone but on the other hand we are never alone, for all our human brothers/sisters go through trials also ! Well, we all need a friend now and then ! People love and have thoughts about us we never realize all the time ! Let greater spiritual bread/truth and enlightenment fill you up… Read more »

@ “WTF?”: Friend, please listen because I think it will help you: my number one suggestion is for you to go to a local clinic or mental health department, make an appointment, talk to someone and get on meds. Yes, really. They will help a lot. I don’t know where you are, but here in Southern California, probably 25% of folks are on something for depression, anxiety, etc. Meds have improved a great deal in the past 20 years and some have no negative side effects at all. I work in a social services field and I know what I’m… Read more »

David and WTF Such great advice even though a bit harsh sounding but I completely agree! Go out, see a doctor and get some form of antidepressant/mood stabilizer. The best revenge is not letting them destroy your life because that is what they want to do and under this Trump regime it is a trickle down effect so you are NOT alone. Ask yourself how do you think all these people like Michael Cohen etc feel? Look how one by one the mighty fall to a level below ours. The higher you are the greater the pain. I foster animals… Read more »

“Ask yourself how do you think all these people like Michael Cohen etc feel? Look how one by one the mighty fall to a level below ours.”
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I don’t think there is a level below ours.

Question for the day

if the registry is civil and not like probation then why does the length of registration follow you across state lines from the original state you were sentenced in? (every state is different).

how is that even legal

and they can’t say that’s what you were sentenced to cause they change that at the whim

has there ever been a case at the high courts or men wearing fancy black dresses where the length of time on registration changed after the plea agreement? I’m thinking there was

Hey ! WTF….. be strong and courageous! We are the salt of the earth ! You are loved and thought of more than you realize ! Life is not always to the strongest or fastest , but to those that endure ! Everyone has trials ! You know many in this world suffer greater and are worse than us ! We can show the world ….! We are the REAL SURVIVORS ! There is a greater plan and purpose for all our lives ! We must believe in the greater good to humanity ! We are a part of life… Read more »

Hi WTF, Things can be tough, and stress over things that you have no control over is draining. One thing that I have recently been trying to work on in my own life is this idea that happiness is to be found if I can just get this or that thing. If I can just get off this registry, or move to a place where I’m not considered a 2nd class citizen, then I’ll be happy. I think that’s a wrong way to look at life. I think that even people who are not on the registry spend their lives… Read more »

Amen, Steveo. Thanks for that post. You are spot on.

Check it out, this is what I am hitting the CA AG up with tomorrow…She is going to like this I can tell you that.. Make her work a little….
https://ufile.io/1gpjc

That will be great to get in advance, since there isn’t anything out there he can use other than the stuff that has been debunked or refers to Canada stuff that isn’t remotely similar.

I guess once you have it, do you create some sort of document in advance of the hearing asking the judge not to allow such and such for X number of reasons?

Well Chris, if she comes up with anything she is going to have a high hurdle once again based on the following RFAs that I am about to be asking as well. She will be contradiction the statements in her own supporting doc. And yes, whatever she brings I can object to. I will object to any negative academia and especially if she tries to claim under reporting and comparative recidivism rates which I will claim is all irrelevant since the state does not use any of that info before placing a individual on the registry. Any under reporting is… Read more »

What the h)(*&*^ is this statement in that case?
“Although we agreed in State v. Letalien that the constitutionality of the retroactive application of
SORNA “depends on a facial examination of the statute, and not on an as applied analysis,”
They still struck it but that statement in a footnote is disturbing….

I like this. Courts are finally doing their jobs and not just deferring to the incompetent and demagoguery of the legislators…
Punishment
[¶14] A law imposes punishment for bill of attainder purposes if it is
motivated by a legislative intent to punish, does not serve any legitimate
nonpunitive purpose, or results in a deprivation of protected liberties that falls
within the historical meaning of legislative punishment.

That statement “does not serve any legitimate non-punitive purpose.” I wonder what was presented in that case as evidence for such a conclusion or if they are just going off of what the court already ruled. That is a powerful statement right there, and it is fact….Love it so far…

I suspect the issue here is very narrow in the sense that the legislature passed a law after the fact aimed specifically at him because he fell through the cracks, as they say. Since the court had already decided the registry was punishment, then the bill of attainder was trying to punish him. But let’s not confuse that with their current registry, which is not punishment after it was fixed by the legislature. That’s my reading, anyway. Could be wrong.

“Virginia man sentenced to 23 years in prison for traveling to Haiti and engaging in illicit sexual conduct” “Arbaugh admitted that in 2016, while in Haiti, he engaged in illicit sexual contact with a minor under the age of 12 by touching the minor’s genitals under the minor’s clothing.” “This case was brought as part of Project Safe Childhood, a nationwide initiative to combat the growing epidemic of child sexual exploitation and abuse…” https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/virginia-man-sentenced-23-years-prison-traveling-haiti-and-engaging-illicit-sexual

It never ceases to amaze me that you can get more time for touching someone than killing someone. I have a relative who was sentenced to less than half of that for driving drunk and killing someone.

This is exactly the kind of case that instills fear in ignorant people and ruins travel (for the most part) of all us.

When America telegraphs her intentions through the performance art (that is what it is, right?) of Alex Jones who threatens to shoot “pedophile” Robert Mueller… “Jones’ nearly 3-hour July 23 InfoWars broadcast ranged from rants about Hollywood pedophilia to social media “shadow bans” (and apparently he shares our dislike of Mark Zuckerberg) to outlandish allegations Mueller was personally involved in a child sex ring composed of left-leaning political figures. “”It’s going to happen, we’re going to walk out in the square, politically, at high noon, and he’s going to find out whether he makes a move, man make the move… Read more »

Here’s a New Jersey court case about a 14 year old boy “Alex” accused of sexual assault of 7 year old “John”. The case shows how idiotic NJ prosecutors are.

New Jersey in the Interest of A.R.

https://law.justia.com/cases/new-jersey/supreme-court/2018/a-67-16.html

Interesting article from Reason on requiring Government permission to live our lives. Tell me about it 🙄.

https://reason.com/archives/2018/07/24/permitted-lives/

So the government made a law targeting an easily identifiable group of people, those in debt for a particular issue, and puts a liability on them (denial of some license) that is unrelated to the license.

That’s the definition of Bill of Attainder as far as I can tell. Not constitutional.

For those that like to read cases with solid arguments against registration, I recommend this one that I mentioned above after following some cases AJ helped me find: https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/876/666/1556967/ It is from 1995, so way before Smith V Doe and Connecticut DPS V Doe became the new precedent. It is interesting to read not only because it is mostly rational, but also because it does a good job of explaining law and the reasoning behind decisions as well as defining some legal jargon that most of us would otherwise not understand. It is a good resource of the cases prior… Read more »

So just wondering if anyone has any advice. I have tried calling and emailing Janice but I am sure she is extremely busy. So someone has taken my Megan’s law page, taken a screenshot of it and posted it all over facebook. He has stated the wrong information about the details of the case. Also, has said what I do for work, I am self-employed. He has also posted my mother in laws name, where she works, and where she can be found. He has also stated that I have wife and kids and that we are all one sick… Read more »

” How can I protect my wife and two small children from persons like this that have the upper hand?” First, be sure to get full screen shots of everything you are talking about before it is deleted. Get the URL and time and dates in the screenshot whenever possible. You don’t say what your Megan’s law page is, but if you have copyrighted material there, your own original writings or pictures, then you can request a take down with the Internet Provider host where the copycat posted you stuff. There are web sites that explain how to do this.… Read more »

Hey if they physically threatened you something needs to happen more than a simple police report in this day and age. Call the FBI, this is no joke if someones makes basically terrorist threats it sounds like to me. Threaten everyone of the officials that do not want to do their jobs that if something happens to you or your family they are in a world of shit….What the hell did the cops say. That is all we can do is make a report??? No No I do not care who you are someone is threatening your life there is… Read more »

JC
You may want to contact Zucerburg the Facebook owner, you can also report his information as abusive, also I would contact the law enforcement agencies that handle your reg in your area, i remember when Facebook first came out, there were software engines you could download to get someone’s Facebook password and stuff, it’s not hacking so it’s not illegal of corse this guy is doing something illegal, just do a wed search and see what you come up with, I would delete his account lol

I did report him on facebook. They emailed me back this afternoon and said they reviewed everything and it does not conflict with their standards so they are leaving it alone. I am sorry but allowing someone to flood the Facebook realm with someone’s information inciting violence with threats of stabbing me and listing my wife, kids, and mother in law………how can that be acceptable. Also, I did file a police report. Supposedly they will call with 4 days. On do day 3 tomorrow. He is still posting saw another one today that he did last night. And they say… Read more »

Dear JC: I wrote this yesterday evening…it got marked as spam for some reason…or that’s what it said when I tried to edit it…since I did put some work into this…I’ll try to post again, (editing out one link I had inserted for you) @JC Are you in California? The laws in CA might allow you to get a restraining order…though prior restraint on speech is always difficult…but an order keeping him one hundred yards away from you and your kids and your mother in law might be helpful. Since this is all already pretty public…dragging his sorry ass into… Read more »

I think these RFAs are going to be interesting in how the AG plays it. I think this can be devastating for the AG if she has to admit or deny with evidence. If she admits it is not going to look to good for their side…. 1. that the California legislature did not specifically consider any California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation sex offender recidivism rate data during any legislative process specifically relating to California’s Penal Code § 290.46; 2. that the California legislature did not specifically consider the efficacy (the term efficacy used here is defined as the… Read more »

“that the California legislature did not specifically consider”

I think the AG will simply respond that what legislation did or didn’t do for research or debate is something he/she has no idea about and was not involved with so can’t comment on.

Probably right Chris…..Although she did include a legislative report in support of her MTD so I really see no reason or excuse for her to not be able to have her minions research the asked questions and make an informative statement. Listen to what her supporting doc starts out with. “I am a librarian for the California Office of the Attorney General in Sacramento. I have been trained and am familiar with our offices methods for researching and compiling legislative histories. My job duties regularly include collecting legislative history material for attorneys in this office. I am also custodian of… Read more »

Yeah after thinking about it a little more she has no choice but to answer and either admit or deny with supporting evidence. I cannot see the judge not forcing her to answer if I have to file a motion to compel, and I bet the judge will not be happy that she has wasted the courts time and mine. She can be sanctioned and I am sure other stuff if she is uncooperative and elusive in her answers.

If she admits and this is correct it only bolsters if not seals the arbitrary issue, also it will kind of look as though the legislature had other reasons in mind for enacting these laws besides public safety………That is how I am seeing it and how I will argue it…I wonder how many laws are passed without the legislature considering fact finding at all?

Does anyone have an opinion on if the new law classifies one a Tier 2 or Tier 1 does that mean at this time the registrant is still currently considered a registrant for life until the DOJ issues the Tiers?

To answer my own question, it is for life until that section is repealed on Jan 1, 2021.

It’s still for life. The tier won’t matter. A judge has to let you go. How many judges do you think will take a chance on allowing relief from this cash cow/torture scheme/lie? Here’s a clue: Ask Judge Persky. Don’t get your hopes up. Your odds of relief are extremely low. The whole entire tiered registry was a complete scam.

Does anyone know anything about what’s going on in Nevada — specifically, is the enactment of the AWA being challenged?

Brick Turner’s lawyer is appealing the sex assualt conviction on the basis that it was outercourse, not intercourse. Essentially saying that he was attempting the assault while fully clothed, ergo penetration was impossible, ergo no rape. I wish I could have afforded this guy for my legal defense. Money goes along way and his appeal can keep him off registry for many years.

Two amici curiae were filed today in the Millard case. They can be accessed at the following links: 17 scholars who study sex offenses: https://ufile.io/plvy5 NARSOL: https://ufile.io/l2veg One line from “17 scholars” made me chuckle: “even a properly computed average re-offense risk across all registrants is no more likely to fit the individual registrant than would a shoe of the group’s average size.” How true and spot on! Later in the same document, they mention, “Minnesota’s website lists only 3.1% of its registrants.” Sounds like anyone wanting to escape public listing should be moving to the Great White North. Of… Read more »

I like it. Kind of weak with all the academia but still powerful I guess. This will be a good addition to cite if need arises…At least they touch on under reporting and studies use of only high risk offenders to skew the actual rates. Overall better than any other case has brought to date that I know of….

Which one are you saying is weak?

@mike r: I respectfully disagree as to weakness, at least in regards to the 17 Scholars paper. They did a very good job of essentially saying, “SCOTUS F’d up big time.” I’m especially glad to see Dr. Hanson (yes, he does have a Ph.D., contrary to what others on here have said) himself as one of the scholars. Regardless of what one thinks of the Static 99R, it’s the standard the States all use, so having its creator chime in on things can only help. It’s a wide, varied panel of scholars, including “fan favorites” Catherine Carpenter, Ira Ellman, Jill… Read more »

Your right, it is nice to finally see someone using the Gov’s own sources against them. Hanson specifically and how he states we are less likely to offend than others at a certain date. It does definitely bolsters the argument and it is really great to see someone finally challenging the FU from SCOTUS.

This is my third time to try to comment on this. I just want to say thanks to AJ for posting the briefs. I’ve read them both. I think the 17 Scholars brief is particularly valuable.

Karl Hanson having a PhD has never been in dispute. From WHERE exactly Hanson was conferred his PhD… who know? No public resumé (at least from a simple Google search) shows what institution conferred Hanson’s degree. It is the fact that Karl Hanson *isn’t* a licensed psychologist in the United States that has people worried. Repeat: Karl Harnson is *not* a licensed psychologist in the United States. Add to that, the fact that Karl Hanson is not bound by APA Code of Ethics, requiring him to release the Static-99R’s “secret” data, that has some people worried. How can these “fan… Read more »

…Karl Hanson *isn’t* a licensed psychologist in the United States… —– His not being licensed with the APA doesn’t matter one bit…to the APA, of all groups and people. (Were he to try to practice psychology in the US, it would be a whole different story.) I suggest you visit http://www.apa.org/ed/accreditation/first-street-accord.aspx and pay particular attention to Part A, paragraphs 3 and 6. ===== From WHERE exactly Hanson was conferred his PhD… who know? No public resumé (at least from a simple Google search) shows what institution conferred Hanson’s degree. —– You really need to improve your search-engine skills. In my… Read more »

“(“Your honor, the State is absolutely correct to rely on Dr. Hanson and his data….*all* his data. I now direct your attention to the chart showing I am below the “out of the blue” rate.”) ”

The risk assessment table on the California Megan’s Law website gives the current risk levels associated with score and years clean. The Coding Rules say years clean and score is to be used for risk assessment.

Related: “Procedural Justice and Risk-Assessment Algorithms” The title of this post is the title of this article recently posted to SSRN and authored by A.J. Wang. Here is the abstract: Statistical algorithms are increasingly used in the criminal justice system. Much of the recent scholarship on the use of these algorithms have focused on their “fairness,” typically defined as accuracy across groups like race or gender. This project draws on the procedural justice literature to raise a separate concern: does the use of algorithms damage the perceived fairness and legitimacy of the criminal justice system? Through three original survey experiments… Read more »

Firstly, good job on finding where Karl Hanson went to school. I concede that I was not able to find Hanson’s alma mater. So Karl Hanson went to school at University of Waterloo and Simon Fraser University. As of recent, Karl Hanson did his Static-99R “research” from a Canadian school called “Carelton University” (not to be confused with Minnesota’s top-ranked Carleton College). Second, your implication that individual psychologists and researchers are “licensed with the APA” told me all I need to know. Individual psychologists are licensed by each state (not the APA), with the APA Ethics Code governing each psychologist’s… Read more »

good job on finding where Karl Hanson went to school. I concede that I was not able to find Hanson’s alma mater. —– I’m stumped how you couldn’t have found it with your own “simple Google search.” I used “R. Karl Hanson” (unquoted) as my search criteria. The LinkedIn result was the sixth one listed on page 1, and the EFF document was the eighth one listed on page 2. ===== your implication that individual psychologists and researchers are “licensed with the APA” told me all I need to know. —– Then why did you continue your post? I implied… Read more »

“By the way, if they’re secret, how can you state with absolute certainty that it’s comprised of ‘bogus’ sets of highly misleading ‘static’ statistics?” —– The Static-99R is bogus because at the end of the day, no matter the argument you put forward, 10 questions cannot predict the future. Not especially on an individualized basis. And certainly not five+ years into the future. People are much more complex than 10 simple “risk factors.” 10 “test” questions cannot define your destiny. Humans have free will — and this is a fact that the “static” completely ignores. With the Static-99R, you are… Read more »

I have to agree. Hanson is an academic not even recognized in the US as a legitimate licensed physiologist or under US standards. It is all good to use his own statements such as the ones provided in the CA case declaration it is still academia. These are not hard facts and are always fraught with methodological challenges and obscurities. These are not the type of studies that can be reasonable relied upon by a US court in respect to sat judicial notice in particular. They are fodder but not binding or even reasonably reliable as a court standards….I still… Read more »

Not exactly I love all that. You are dead on and that is saved for my arsenal…..I will not push the issue yet as I am using Hanson’s declaration against the academic crap. If need arises I can most assuredly show just how dubious Hanson’s his risk assessments tools are and they are totally refuted by his own declarations and admissions.

Hanson doesn’t have to be licensed to be an academic in the USA. If he’s not practicing his craft on people where a license is required, he can study and research all he wants. Wish people understood that.

True that Karl Hanson doesn’t have to be licensed to practice his “craft” and conduct his “research.” But the point is that because Hanson is not a licensed psychologist in the United States (is he even licensed in Canada?), there is question to whether Hanson is bound by APA Ethics Code requiring his Static-99R to be completely transparent. Why is Hanson keeping the Static-99R a “trade secret?” This is especially important given the immensely enormous powers that the Static-99R is increasingly given in law. Section 8.14 of the Ethics Code specifically requires “sharing research data for verification,” and requires that… Read more »

@not exactly With interest, I’m reading your argument. Is Hanson even an APA member? Can you look up APA members as a non-member (APA members can)? If not, then he doesn’t have to follow APA guidelines. If so, which you hope he is for credibility, then he does have to follow their guidelines. You’re should articulate an argument with your concerns to the APA citing their applicable sections to see if they’ll share how he does what he does or if they’ll refer you to him. From what I see online, he has work within APA’s website, so it’d appear… Read more »

TS, You are mistaken because “Research Gate” is not an “APA website.” But no doubt, there are a lot of Kool Aid drinkers to Karl Hanson’s work. Most of Karl Hanson’s fans seem enveloped in the trade of “forensic psychology.” Personally, I agree that Hanson is a master of self-promotion. In my opinion, Hanson is a great writer and strategic thinker for furthering his Static-99 schemes (just read his “studies” and “coding rules”). But at the end of the day, no matter what arguments you put forward, you can’t simplify people to 10 questions. Simplifying people to 10 “test” questions… Read more »

I would just like to follow up and say I’m with @AJ on this. Hanson on our side during the 10th circuit appeal is better than him not being on our side. If he was an established quack and doesn’t know what he’s talking about, then I would be concerned about him providing documentation. However, he’s with well-established and respected members of the community in providing this document for the 10th circuit appeal on our side. I also would like to say that I am for transparency of methodology being used to come to scientific conclusions. I believe it is… Read more »

Hanson on our side during the 10th circuit appeal is better than him not being on our side. If he was an established quack and doesn’t know what he’s talking about, then I would be concerned about him providing documentation. However, he’s with well-established and respected members of the community in providing this document for the 10th circuit appeal on our side. ———- TS, There are many experts who would argue that Karl Hanson’s Static-99R schemes are a load of bullshit. It’s amazing that those who support Hanson are simply taking his word for it, without calling him out for… Read more »

@not exactly

Articulate your argument with the state who may listen to you and decide to do something about it. Arguing here on your points does absolutely no good.

Hanson’s listed with those who submitted the document in the 10th. Nothing can be done about it now.

By the way, I never was making the connection between the research gate website and APA, but was showing another online source which details his doctorate degree when I put his name into a search engine. I wasn’t mistaken. Thank you.

“Articulate your argument with the state who may listen to you and decide to do something about it.”

—–

TS,

Because Karl Hanson is not a licensed psychologist in California, Hanson cannot be sanctioned by the Board of Psychology for withholding data.

@not exactly Licensing is irrelevant. Articulating your “non-transparent” argument with the state should be about getting the state to change their “less than transparent” method when using his “non-transparent” method. The state can’t be fully transparent when they use Hanson’s method. They’d argue they are transparent because they’ll tell you what they’re using while your issue is with him and his system which they rely on, not them. A vicious cycle there of who to articulate transparency with. Recommend the better methods you suggest to the state for replacing Hanson’s to increase the transparency sought. Then your wish of Hanson… Read more »

If you cannot get to the NARSOL brief filed in support of Millard’s team and the Tenth Circuit appeal via the website @AJ used, NARSOL has an article on it and the link to it on their website: https://narsol.org/2018/07/breaking-news-narsol-files-amicus-in-colorado-case/

Hello,

What are the rules for how many days you have until you need to register when traveling in California? I am a California resident but a relative is getting married in Fresno and need to know how long I can stay there until it triggers the registering process.

Also, would be nice to know in general for the future. I want to take opportunities to travel with the kids within the state before they get too old.

Thanks.

5 working days.

@JesusH – to my knowledge if you’re not going to be going on vacation an inordinate amount of time and are not on parole or probation there are not any requirements for you to register at the cities that you vacation to. This of course is assuming that you live in California and are vacationing in California.

5 days then… cool. Really wish I was a free man though so I wouldn’t have to ask this question. Just got off probation, I thought that meant I was a free man?

Anyways, thanks guys!

Um, really?

TEDx speaker argues that pedophilia should be accepted as “an unchangeable sexual orientation”

https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/07/tedx-speaker-argues-that-pedophilia-should-be-accepted-as-an-unchangeable-sexual-orientation/

⚠️ Yes, really. The TED speaker’s arguments make sense*. I am sorry if it offends some people, but it is, in fact, very similar to arguments about the “normalization” of homosexuality. One of the strongest arguments in favor of not stigmatizing homosexuality is quite simply this: with all of society’s stigma and hatred attached to homosexuality, why would anyone wiilingly “choose” to be homosexual? The same applies in this situation, but even more so: With all of society’s virulent hatred and severe legal consequences attached to any behavior, why would anyone “choose” to have pedophilic attractions?? Clearly, it is NOT… Read more »

It makes people uncomfortable to use the term “sexual preference” or “sexual orientation” in regards to anything seen to be less-laudatory than gay rights which was the impetus for thinking in terms of “sexual preference” in the first place. Both those on the left, who see such an expansive use of the term as a threat to social progress and those on the right who see it as a continuation of the erosion of “traditional values,” are loathe to cede the application of the term to those whose sexual preferences transgress their moral projects. It’s where both are willing to… Read more »

Pardon my cinicism but Mark Zuckerberg losing $15 billion out of his pocket just lifted my spririt! I can’t control what happens but this looks like Kaptain Karma taking a big Chunk of wind out of his sails! With the depraved indifference and hostility generated by him and a Huge amount of extremely powerful cyberbullying he orchestrated using A monolithic and impersonal machine of his own creation, We can all gloat for a hollywood minute on what appears to be a just reward. Of course he will continue to use registrants to gain more steam in his recovery efforts, Maybe… Read more »

I believe God is working behind the scene for us and He will SHOUT some of these self-righteous sins from the roof tops.

@Harry:
Amen. (See: Romans 12:19.)

Man I just heard that judge in the Nassar Olympic trainer guy where she states “it is my privilege and honor to sentence you” Wow um objective???? Not, how can she get away with so blatant bias? That should be reversed immediately. Definitely the sentencing part after she stated that. “After hearing the testimonies of the ladies it is my honor and privilege to sentence you today”??? There is no way the dude would get a fair sentencing process from a judge ho states it is there honor and privilege, no it is your unfortunate duty to have to sentence… Read more »

Man that judge looks just like the witch or whatever she was from the 101 Dalmatians cartoon movie. Cruella de Vil….Exactly….God she looks evil….Wow now people on Fox news are praising that there is a pecking order in prison and that he deserves it basically…

What a frigging barbaric society we still live in where a man, for whatever he may have did, can be thrown into a hellish environment and then subjected to torment and beatings from animalistic gladiators trained and conditioned to kill basically. Barbaric!!!! is the only way to express that…….

Oh and I take that back, that judge looks way more evil than Cruella de Vil

There is a statement I heard made about another subject that applies to the registry. ” the truth doesn’t matter and will never be regarded or accepted if people would rather believe the lie.” In an age where false information is easier to disciminate than the truth because people are more willing to accept it, no amount of studies, historical data, or correct info will ever matter. The American consumer of is just too ignorant to sort fact and fiction. It isn’t worth their time. This is the whole basis of our political system. Inundate the voter with as much… Read more »

I disagree that nothing can be done about it…..There is always something each and everyone of can do about anything. I agree the whole country is out of their frigging mind right now but there are cool-heads out there that are fighting to put this country back to its former glory. This is still the greatest country in the world and even though our founding fathers were hypocritical and bigots, of course the times called for such an individual in those days to succeed really, they were all very intelligent and James Madison and Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, they were… Read more »

In the political realm and social justice,
Information is used as warfare to seek and destroy. The Registry falls inline with this analogy.

Imagine what a statement it would make if each and everyone of us did what I am doing. Just imagine even 30, 40 thousand filing suits in courts all across the state. I guarantee someone would stand up and pay attention and I even bet that the civil rights orgs would take notice and be much more willing to jump in as well…Man that would be a beautiful thing to see. Frigging clogging the courts with suits is one of the ways statutes are struck down. It is a matter of course that if a statute causes the courts to… Read more »

Hey Mike R. Can others take your case as written, such as taking large pieces of your suit without edits? I have no idea about Federal protocol, but wondering whether they scan suits to be sure we’re not just filing the exact same suit in various circuits? Many of your documents are amazing. Thanks for sharing what you’re doing.

I am sure you can. I took a lot of my original complaint from other suits and just manipulated and collaborated, and revised revised revised to fit my narrative and situation. Yes take it and run with it but be prepared to do some work. You have to be somewhat literate, punctual, and a will to win. Confidence man, I can not say it enough. People have to be confident, not necessarily cocky like I am most of the time, that is just me, LOL, but confident at minimum. Prison humbled my cockiness ten fold but it never broke me… Read more »

Just remember no matter how much the sentiment in the public changes, how many people we turn our way of thinking, that is all great just like with the civil rights back in the day. But in the end what changed the laws? Courts and Thurgood Marshal, that is what and the only place that we can change these laws as well….https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/thurgood-marshall That man is one hell of an inspiration to us all, or should be. I would love to do what he did and go around the country knocking all these unconstitutional crap laws down. All it takes is… Read more »

Hi mike r,

You obviously have a lot of legal savvy, so maybe you can tell me:

Why can’t we all get together in a Class Action lawsuit? There must be a reason why ACSOL or NARSOL hasn’t spearheaded something like that. Just wondering why that wouldn’t work or can’t be done.

Keep up the good work!

@Mike G

As discussed here before and seen in the results, class action suits don’t work. Facial challenges are what work.

@TS

Okay, thanks. My bad. I have been around this website for a few years but I don’t recall seeing anything mentioned about class action suits. I guess I’ve spent too much time in the other threads and not enough here in General Comments.

mike r suggested that we all keep the legal system tied up by filing individual lawsuits. To me, that seems inefficient and costly, but he (and apparently everyone else) knows a lot more about this stuff than I do.

No worries. MI ACLU is using a class action now, but only after having WON the Snyder Case, which featured individuals. Now they are suing MISP (I think) for ignoring the ruling, and suing on behalf of all “similarly situated” RCs.

Much discussion has happened here on this site about class action suits. Maybe the search field would bring them up, though the search function is pretty weak on this site. Bottom line: they don’t work. “As Applied” are the only suits making any headway.

@E

Sorry, my bad for missing previous comments.

But, can you tell me what is meant by “As Applied”? Does that mean individual lawsuits addressing individual situations?

Thanks.

@Mike G

No worries.

“In U.S. constitutional law, a facial challenge is a challenge to a statute in which the plaintiff alleges that the legislation is always unconstitutional, and therefore void. It is contrasted with an as-applied challenge, which alleges that a particular application of a statute is unconstitutional.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_challenge

mike r is individually challenging the system as it’s applied to him. That method has a history of success and is why he recommends it. Everyone’s experiences are different even if they seem the same as an RC; thus, individual challenges.

@Not Exactly… (Starting new thread for convenience.) In case you’re wondering why I’ve fallen silent, it’s because I see no end to the back-and-forth. I definitely have plenty more thoughts, but to what end? I have to say, I don’t understand what your endgame looks like. Suppose tomorrow we all wake up and Dr. Hanson and his Static 99R have been declared fraudulent and banned from the United States. (I know, your dream, right!?? 🙂 ) What then? How does abolishing Hanson and his work do anything to chip away at registry laws and court cases? As far as I… Read more »

How does abolishing Hanson and his work do anything to chip away at registry laws and court cases? As far as I see, it would do nothing. A State could simply change to another assessment tool, or it could decide against using any assessment tool (offense-based tiers anyone?). —– AJ, Why must the only two options be assessment OR offense-based tiers? Why do you make it seem a predicament between only two options? In case you haven’t noticed, California’s Tiered Law is *still* very much “offense-based” with the added burdens of the Static-99R. Where is the data that shows any… Read more »

@Not Exactly…
Thank you for the reply, but either you didn’t answer my question or I somehow missed it. I get your animosity towards the test and its creator; that’s not what I’m addressing. Forget my mention of offense-based tiers and everything else. Given your passion, I feel I’m missing something, but for the life of me can’t figure out what.

Again, so I may better understand, please answer this question: how does removing Static 99R and Hanson from the RC equation do anything to chip away at the registry schemes?

Answer: it does not.

What it does is take @Not Exactly (aka @Karl-Hansen-makes-50-cents-an-hour or some such, aka any number of names) out of Tier III and eligible for relief. Until such time, until @Not Exactly finds a spot on the life boat, s/he is content to see everyone else go down with the ship. Kind of understandable, but not terribly attractive.

Joe, how does wanting to tweak the system to eliminate the Static part, take everyone already on a lifeboat off the lifeboat and put them back on the sinking ship? Baffling…

Huh, nothing but crickets from @Not Exactly…. Perhaps my question Baf…er..baffled.

AJ, you are exactly right. If not Hanson then some other quack. That static 99R may even be pretty accurate for the first two or three years after release but after that even Hanson and every other professional states and knows it is crap. I know the non contact and gay issues are messed up and I belong in the non contact but still, it is not going away until the registry gets overhauled which is coming. We have to use these quacks own words and evidence against them every chance we get.

You’re correct. I see STATIC-99 as an opportunity along the path of what is, unavoidably, a long game (and the only game in town, for our purposes). When it is integrated into law then those laws become more vulnerable to eventual challenge through its discrediting. This is known as “chipping away.” We build on strengths and imagine strategies that allow us to build on those strengths and try not to get hung up on bloody-minded, sensibility-offending details that don’t advance that strategic process. Perfection is the enemy of the good, a thief of our lives and an obsessive’s self-sabotage.

@David Kennerly:
Perfection is the enemy of the good, a thief of our lives and an obsessive’s self-sabotage.
—–
I’ve been up all night trying to figure out what this statement means, and it’s killing me… 😉

In all seriousness, you’re exactly right. The Pareto principle comes to mind, too.

🛫 Any bets how long it will take this sh*t to roll down hill to us?🛬 :

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/07/28/baltimore-man-charged-with-sexually-assaulting-seatmate-on-airplane.amp.html

I went back and found this post on airlines from June 18 on this site as it’s very apropos to your post: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-in-flight-sexual-assaults-20180618-story.html I did look up how many passengers fly in the US. According to the FAA, it’s 2.5 MILLION PER DAY. Link below. That’s 912 million people per year on flights. 68 sexual assaults, a “two thirds increase” in sexual assaults reported by the FBI. Excuse me: 68 assaults in a year in which 912 million people were flown?? How is this even remotely a problem? BTW, many passengers would be repeat passengers, of course, but that shouldn’t… Read more »

@E: “Excuse me: 68 assaults in a year in which 912 million people were flown?? How is this even remotely a problem?”

Agreed, but that would be common sense. In this country, it only takes one crime against one person (Megan Kanka) to totally screw up the lives of close to 1 Million other persons.

My hunch is that the passport marker will be irrelevant as soon as airlines scan their manifests and deny flights to RCs, as cruise lines do. International Or domestic flights. This would be another “outrage” that nobody would stop, another “they could never do that” that they would go ahead and do. Just as Kennedy in Smith v Doe intended, I’m sure.

@E

International Airline flights are the main mode of transportation overseas nowadays, not cruise lines like they once were before airline travel became the norm. Airlines banning people from a mode of transportation, especially if they’re American-based airlines, would be fought in court.

Cruise Lines today are not a normal mode of transportation overseas anymore like airlines but more of recreation and entertainment.

@TS:
Cruise Lines today are not a normal mode of transportation overseas anymore like airlines but more of recreation and entertainment.
—–
You forgot a prepositional phrase at the end of your sentence: “for the newly wed, overfed, and almost dead.” 🙂 (I apologize to those who enjoy cruises. I find it an amusing summation of clientele. I belong to at least one of those groups myself, FWIW.)

TS, i don’t disagree with your logic. I just know we’ve crossed a whole lot of “they cannot DO that’s” in the last 10 years. At this point I believe they CAN do anything they want; then it’s up to us to start filing law suits and complying for years until it might be overturned. My freedom of international travel needed for work is now extremely chilled based on something many people opined was impossible/“they never could do” (passport marker). My favorite was when my registration clerk heard about the passport marker (from me) and said, “How in the world… Read more »

@AJ

Oooops! My bad! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 “Join us now on the lido deck for the shuttleboard tournament!”

🛫 Flying??🛬 Wow! WTF!? I have no doubt that they are watching registrants! :

http://apps.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/graphics/2018/07/tsa-quiet-skies/?p1=HP_SpecialTSA

Like I said, WTF!?

@David: From the article: “All US citizens who enter the country are automatically screened for inclusion in Quiet Skies — their travel patterns and affiliations are checked and their names run against a terrorist watch list **and other databases**, according to agency documents.”

I’m sure you are right! They are watching and waiting…

Land of the free, baby!

Of course, we no longer are the land of the free. When it comes to personal freedom, Other nations took that mantle from us a while ago.

We are prisoners of a system we created. Technology evolved to the point where they will continue to try new things in every aspect of our lives to control, manipulate, and interfere with our lives. In a way, terrorists (what ever that means anymore!) have won. They have created a paranoid government and a distrusting public. They watch our phones, vehicles, viewing and listening patterns. There is no more privacy. It will come crashing down sooner or later. I hope everyday for a national power grid failure. The complete break down of the ability to function would be fun to… Read more »

“We are prisoners of a system we created.”

I’ve never wanted to control, manipulate, or interfere with the lives of others. I’ve been no friend of the state at any time in my life. Live and let live, is my motto.

While I am certainly subject to the police and surveillance state you refer to, I am not part of the “we” whom you say created it. I don’t count myself as “the state”.

From the article: “…the program wastes taxpayer dollars and makes the country less safe because attention and resources are diverted away from legitimate, potential threats.”

Sound familiar?

@TS: “Airlines banning people from a mode of transportation, especially if they’re American-based airlines, would be fought in court. ”

By who? A bunch of poor RCs?

Everything that has happened to us in the last 10, 20, 30, years was, or should have been, “fought in court”. Aside from Janice’s success with some residency restrictions and Halloween, what have we successfully “fought in court”?

@Mike G

It’s sad you don’t see the successes of late on the behalf of RCs, e.g. Muniz, Snyder in the 6th, Packingham, etc.

RCs could fight it as transportation has been discussed here as well as anyone else who may be banned.

I think @AJ has a tally of victories to date as well as the Constitutional grounds for travel.

The right to travel is actually very limited. No one has a right to travel by any means. People often think this right is unlimited, but the court has put many limits on those rights. Like in many cases you need a license to operate many types of vehicles (cars, trains, airplanes) that promote travel. There is no right for any private carrier to transport you anywhere. Private carriers can pick and choose who they want to transport. If the government owned the taxi, airline or train, then you might have a Right to Travel issue. The right to travel… Read more »

I’m with Lake County on this. It’s important not to equate the right to travel with the right to transportation. Yes, one has the right to migrate freely among the States (Roe v. Saenz), but under very few circumstances is another party obligated to assist. (The only one that comes to mind right now is innkeepers. They typically must accept travelers, unless having reason not to.) So would an airline be required to transport a RC, or anyone for that matter? Would a railroad be required to transport you back in the day? Would a river ferry? Would a stagecoach… Read more »

I think it depends on whether the transportation is licensed for commercial or private use. Since the government approves and regulates commercial means such as taxis and airlines, it has a responsibility to promote free travel. It wouldn’t require you to pick up that hitchhiker in your private sedan.

I was probably equating right to transportation with right to travel and vice versa in my mind then.

Unless and until airlines add some sort of disclaimer to their Contracts of Carriage, a denied person should be able to sue for breach of contract. (Easier than one would think, based on a relative who’s pursued it. Few airlines want to show up in some small-claims court somewhere.) Of course the first time this happens, the airlines will change their Contracts of Carriage to deny RCs, if legally allowed. Out of curiosity to see if anything currently exists, I checked out United’s Contract (eff. July 29, 2018). The closest I found, after searching for “felon”, “sex”, “crime”, “criminal”, “offense”,… Read more »

This is beating a dead horse, but have been reading a lot of articles and am wondering, At what point did touching another human being become the worst sin on Earth. I do not condone invading another’s personal space for any reason, at any age. But this has been going on in one form or another for thousands of yrs. There has never been a law made that stopped a person from doing anything! The very politicians that propose the laws break them. Do they really think that hounding a person for the rest of their lives will change ANYTHING?… Read more »

“Stacey Dooley Investigates: Second Chance Sex Offenders (BBC One) ” I’ve never liked her and still don’t. I do have a bit of a prejudice against the glottal-stops that afflict the speech of some Brits and which seems to be generationally-trendy and are a marker for mass-market opinions and attitudes. The other part is her ignorance and total unquestioning buy-in on the victimological narrative. She’s the Millennial and female equivalent of Louis Theroux. However, this is a sporadically critical look at the insanity of Florida laws and Ron Book, in particular but you will have to endure a heap of… Read more »

“Stacey Dooley Investigates: Second Chance Sex Offenders (BBC One) ” I’ve never liked her and still don’t. I do have a bit of a prejudice against the glottal-stops that afflict the speech of some Brits and which seems to be generationally-trendy and an unambiguous marker for mass-market opinions and attitudes. The other part is her ignorance and total unquestioning buy-in on the victimological narrative. She’s the Millennial and female equivalent of Louis Theroux. However, this is a sporadically critical look at the insanity of Florida laws and Ron Book, in particular but you will have to endure a heap of… Read more »

Makes sense. NY has the person bring all the proof they can and it still gets ignored and the judge does what the prosecutor/board want.

I don’t follow the site much anymore. Seems to trigger a lot of depressing emotions and memories. But yesterday was my Birthday, and one of the only persons that sent a “happy b’day” was from a person I met through this site. The others were from my family and friends in Thailand. I made it this far , 5 yrs from arrest. It has been a struggle in every way. I hope to have my reduction soon ( hearing in 1 month). From there I hope I can obtain better job opportunities and then find better living arrangements. I pray… Read more »

Happy Birthday! – It’s been almost 20 years for me since conviction for non-contact crime. Years often pass without birthday wishes. It sucks to no longer have the large number of friends I previously had. Although, some of it comes from getting older and friends passing away. – We all have to hang on to the little hope that we have. There is always the possibility that things will get better.

Indeed! 🎊 Happy Birthday!! 🎉 🎂🎁

Happy birthday, my friend!

“To Reclassify Sex Offenders, Mass. SJC Says Sex Offender Registry Board Has Burden Of Proof” This is certainly a positive! If this standard were to be applied here in California, then those committed to CSH Coalinga might have their right to a commitment trial expanded beyond their initial (and only) commitment which now holds for perpetuity. http://www.wbur.org/news/2018/08/01/sex-offender-registry-reclassification-sjc

We’ll see how this helps. I’m
Going through the classification process now and I can tell you with 3 psychiatrists reports saying I’m no cognizable risk, full time employed in a good job, and a plethora of character witnesses they still gave me a preliminary classification as a two. My crime? A 1 single messaged, nothing else, that said how’s your boyfriend in bed I bet you have fun, to a 17.5 year old, when the ages of concent is 16. I have no faith in this process.

So just wanted to check-in and say this years fires are the worse for Lake County, CA. This is year 4 in a row of major fires. Half of the (wealthy) part of the county is now evacuated to the (poorest) half of the county. Basically, most people have no other option but to sleep in their car or camp in tents. Not many homes have burned here yet but evacuations and smoky air is getting to everyone. I’m safe and not in an evacuated area. I’ve been locked inside with my two dogs for 3 days now. The air… Read more »

Thought I would post this even though it’s boring info. I always wondered what impact a natural disaster emergency would have on the court system and a defendant’s rights. This is how Lake County, CA is handling the situation: http://www.lakeconews.com/index.php/news/57165-state-chief-justice-issues-emergency-order-allowing-for-lakeport-court-closure

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