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International Travel 2019

We have updated our main International Travel section. It features:

  1. List of Schengen Nations (allowing entry to registrants);
  2. Resources (including a CA DOJ Travel Notification Form); and
  3. User Submitted Travel Reports.

This post is linked from the Main Menu at the top of the site.

1. The 26 Schengen Nations (which allow registrants to visit)

As an agreement, Schengen was signed among the five out of ten countries of the European Union members back then, on the 14th June 1985. Under the Schengen agreement, travelling from one Schengen country to another is done without any passport and immigration controls or any other formalities previously required.

Austria
Belgium
Czech republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland

France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland

Italy
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg

Malta
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal

Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland

Note: US Citizens are visa exempt when visiting the Schengen area for up to 90 days in a 180 day period (List of Countries, Section B or map).  The European Commission is proposing creating a European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) for such travelers, beginning in 2021 – which may or may not take criminal convictions into account. ETIAS Fact Sheet April 2018July 2018

2. Resources

3. NEW: User Submitted Travel Reports

If you have traveled internationally post-IML we invite you to share your travel experience on the form below. Submissions will be published as a separate post with opportunity for targeted / country specific discussion.

If you have already filled out our previous (unpublished) travel form, please do so again here for publication.

Report your Travel Experience:

International Travel

Personal Info

for follow-up info or answers in comments. Your regular user name or other.
for possible follow-up - not published

Registration Info

Currently Registered *
Listed on Public Website

Travel Info

Entry was *

Visa

Visa Required *
Visa Granted

Advance Notice

Adv. Notice Provided *
Req. by State Law *
how, when, where, etc

Offense Info

Offense Level *
Conv. expunged *
Offense inv Minor *
Passport Identifier *

Comment / Additional Information

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  1. notsurewhattoddo

    Not sure what to do.. I am listed in the National database under my old name from Texas but am no longer required to register in my new state in WA. I called WA to give a 21 day notice and they said since I do not register any longer, they would not be taking my paperwork. Texas told me since I do not live there, they wont take my paperwork either. I do not have a special marked passport but under the IML rules, i am a “covered” offender, because I am listed on the national site because Texas will never take me off. To add to the confusion, Texas only has my old name on their site.. I changed my name once I got off the registry here in WA… Any suggestions on what I should do?

    • CR

      I think you should read the law yourself and try to understand if it applies to you. If unsure, pay a lawyer to advise you. Find one that has experience with IML, preferably.

      As I understand the law, you don’t have to give 21 day notice because you are not required to register in any jurisdiction. You said so yourself. WA doesn’t require you to register. Texas doesn’t require you to register. The fact that you are still on the Texas ML and the national database does not mean you are required to register in that jurisdiction. You only have to register in Texas if you live there or you visit long enough to trigger the registration requirement.

      Having said all that, I am not a lawyer and you should not construe my thoughts on the matter as legal advice.

      Also, even if you are truly not required to give 21 day notice, there’s no guarantee that the USMS or the CBP won’t screw things up and subject you to nightmarish torture, inquisition, detention, or arrest.

      • notsurewhattoddo

        CR.. I thought since I do not register any longer, I would be exempt, but here is the law
        “included in the
        National Sex Offender Registry, on the basis of an offense
        against a minor. ” — this is the part where I am have no idea what to do about?
        :

        (f) DEFINITION.—In this section, the term ‘‘sex offender’’
        means—
        (1) a covered sex offender; or
        (2) an individual required to register under the sex offender
        registration program of any jurisdiction or included in the
        National Sex Offender Registry, on the basis of an offense
        against a minor.

        https://www.congress.gov/114/plaws/publ119/PLAW-114publ119.pdf

        • CR

          I see. That’s why it’s good to read the law. It doesn’t say what I thought it did.

          It seems you are given no way to comply with the travel notice requirement. That your name doesn’t match what is in the registry further complicates things. I wouldn’t bet that it lets you off the hook.

          I wondered why Texas started putting people who had moved out of state back on the list a few years ago after having already removed them previously when they moved away. It may have been to close what they viewed as a loophole that was allowing people to start a new life and escape the scarlet letter they had been assigned for life. A conspiracy among some states, perhaps.

          It’s good that you are seeking legal counsel. I think it’s your only route to clarity.

        • Tuna

          That’s in the section regarding how the Angel Watch Center operates with respect to the travel notifications.

        • AJ

          @notsurewhattoddo & @CR:
          As @Tuna says, the snippet @notsurewhattoddo posted is from Section 4 regarding Angel Watch. That definition is reused in Section 8 regarding State and passports. It gets a little confusing there because Section 8 rewords Section 240 of Title 22, “Foreign Relations and Intercourse” (an ironic title, I say). The RC’s responsibilities and requirements are in Section 6, and there are no specific definitions provided or created. Thus definitions for Section 6 are way at the top in the definitions for the Act, or are inside SORNA.

          In short, it’s my opinion that the use of that definition for AW and State means that they will use the NSOR information for their purposes even if one is no longer required to comply with the provisions of IML. That could (probably: does) mean that though @notsurewhattoddo is not required to submit IML notification, AW may (probably: does) still send out whatever angelic notifications, and State could (probably: does not) issue a Scarlet-letter passport.

          One would have to piece IML’s edits into AWA to get a full and correct reading, but IMO @Tuna’s observation seems to me to point to that definition not mattering on @notsurewhattoddo’s end.

        • Tuna

          Actually, the text reused in Section 8 (regarding who should get the scarlet letter passport) has one key difference: the use of “and” instead of “or”:

          ‘‘(c) DEFINED TERMS.—In this section—
          ‘‘(1) the term ‘covered sex offender’ means an individual
          who—
          ‘‘(A) is a sex offender, as defined in section 4(f) of
          the International Megan’s Law to Prevent Child Exploitation and Other Sexual Crimes Through Advanced
          Notification of Traveling Sex Offenders; and
          ‘‘(B) is currently required to register under the sex
          offender registration program of any jurisdiction;

          So if he is not required to register, he should not get a marked passport. Having said that, I believe posted last year, was a report of at least one instance where a person did get a marked passport, but this was later corrected after either a complaint to State or a suit.

        • AJ

          @Tuna:
          I wasn’t trying to parse the usage of the definition in Section 8, merely pointing out that the definition created in Section 4 is reused elsewhere by direct reference. Given there is no similar wording in the Section RCs care about, the specific definition doesn’t apply; one would need to follow the Act-level ones instead.

          But to your point, that “and” would seem to mean State cannot issue marked passports, meanwhile AW can still send out nasty-grams about us to the world, even if no longer required to register. I don’t personally fret over it because I have no ability to control or change it. AW and State will do what the law says until the law changes or gets struck. I absolutely dislike it, but I have many other things in life which better warrant my hand-wringing.

    • Chris f

      You may try to contact attorney Richard Gladden in Texas. It appears Texas is claiming they dont have the resources for department of public safety to remove people that move or die. They seem to remove people just fine if their term on the registry has been complete. I was removed within a few weeks of my local Texas police department submitting the removal request. You will probably need a court order to speed up being removed. Did you notify the Texas police department where you did your last registration of the move?

      • notsurewhattodo

        Hello Chris F – I am working on a consultation with Richard Gladden. Thanks for the referral. My court order is from WA state to be removed; I am sure it is not valid for Texas since I am a lifetime registrant there. I did notify them back in 2005 when I moved away and was just re-added to the registry in 2011.

    • Chris

      I’m in the same situation, but with different states. Current Nevada resident and released from state registry, but still listed in Florida. Wish I had an answer for you, but have only traveled domestically recently. Was wondering the same though for future trips. I find it amazing that literally no one seems to have an answer for this question which I am assuming will come up for many more people in the next 5-10 years.

      • CR

        “I find it amazing that literally no one seems to have an answer for this question …”

        I think the answer is spelled out in the law itself, which is why I suggested in my previous response to read it.

        But anyway, an experience-based answer, which seems to be what you want, may not be forthcoming for several reasons. First, it is likely that only a small percentage of all registrants frequent this web site, or are even aware of it. Next, not many of us here manage to get out of having to register, so we don’t encounter the circumstance you ask about. Finally, it’s probable that most who do get off the list and have experience with international travel afterwards stop coming here, so they never see such questions.

      • TS

        I will not espouse legal advice on this regarding the person in Washington who is still on the Texas registry though not on the Washington registry; however, I will tell you what I learned that was legal advice given to me when it comes to being removed from the registry and travel notification: Travel notification is not required.

        Still being listed on the Texas registry may present a challenge to the individual and throw a wrench in the works with the United States Marshals, as @CR said, but if they’re off the registry, travel notification by theory and definition is not required as was given to me through legal advice.

    • D

      I have called the Attorney Generals office a few times and they said if your state doesn’t require you to register, you don’t have to report anything to anyone

  2. steve

    Left Paris for Croatia this morning. As I exited they scanned passports and again not a second look. Flew cze airlines with a stop in Prague scanned again no issues. Landed in Split scanned again no issues. On a boat cruising the Croatian islands the next 8 days and not anticipating any issues until we come back to the lovely USA. We saw USA play Sweden in La Havre, Toured the D-day beaches and the Palace of Versailles while in France. Did a lot in 2 1/2 days.

    • Mike G

      @steve

      Happy to hear that Croatia is problem free. We are heading there in September. Keep the good times rolling!

      • steve

        If you want any Croatia tips let me know. Moderator, you have my approval to release email info to Mike G.

        • Mike G

          @steve

          Thanks a lot. The moderators are not too keen about giving out email addresses, but if they do, I’ll be in touch. We are planning to visit Dubrovnik and Vicko (driving past Split), both of which have ports, so maybe you’ll stop there. Then we are planning to head for Plitvice Lakes National Park, but that is somewhat inland, so you probably won’t get there.

          We aren’t anticipating any problems, but we are planning to visit 5 other non-Schengen countries besides Croatia, so I’ll be holding my breath at times…

        • E @ Mike G

          Mike G, after your trip please let us know how the non-Schengen countries go, how you are arriving there (car?), whether you have a marked passport, etc. Thanks!

        • Mike G

          @E

          Will keep you posted (assuming I’m not detained somewhere with no internet access 🙁 ). We will be traveling by tour bus and I do have the marked passport.

  3. Eagle

    Since I was a kid, I have had a life long dream of visiting south asia. There is something beautiful about the culture, the differences but connectives of the people from each country. I think that asian people have been very interesting to me as well. I wanted to know if there was any way I could visit any asian countries on the registry? I have a case of possession of CP and not sure if I would ever get off the registry. I know now Thailand will not accept, what about malaysia, or Indonesia, or China, or Taiwan . THANK YOU in advance

    • Mike G

      @Eagle

      If you fly out of the United States, about the only place in Asia that you have a chance of getting into right now is Hong Kong, but even that could change at any time.

      A few registrants have been successful entering some Southeast Asian countries by flying there from another foreign country. But keep in mind that since you are subject to IML you would have to give 21 day notice to your registering agency of any countries you intend to try and visit, otherwise you could be in jeopardy from US marshals upon your return to the US. Remember that Satan Watch will send notice to whatever country you fly to first from the US. Better make sure that is a country that will allow you in.

      (By the way, no one is more upset about Thailand than me. I was turned away when I flew there with my wife, wanting to meet her family for the first time.)

      • Will Allen

        “Satan Watch”

        That’s the perfect name. I think people should ALWAYS refer to them as that. In some cases, it might have to be explained who/what it is and perhaps in such an explanation a person might say something only like “they refer to themselves as ‘Angel Watch'”.

        I think it is quite beneficial to always label these entities as the P.O.S. evil that they are. Right? We see what labeling does. So let’s use it on them all the time.

        I think if the general public sees these agencies, government, legislators, whatever referred to over and over and over again as criminals, by millions of people, then that will stick. The general public needs to learn that only criminal regimes have Registries and their additional, promoted “laws”. Criminal legislators create them. Law enforcement criminals enforce it. Immoral un-Americans support it all.

        Only criminal regimes:

        1. Have “$EX Offender” Registries.

        2. Run a “$EX Offender” Witch Hunt.

        3. Run “$EX Offender” Apartheid.

        4. Attempt to keep “$EX Offenders” off of social media (which they do ONLY to try to control dissent).

    • Shaggy

      Have you found out anything yet? I want to go to Macau and Mslaysia. I am in Hong Kong, now, and there is NO PROBLEM entering here.

      • AJ

        @Shaggy:
        Though things have changed since I was there*, I don’t recall any passport controls between HK and Macau. We took the TurboJet ferry, maybe that makes a difference.

        *HK was still UK ruled, and Macau was still Portuguese.

  4. steve @Mike G

    The National Park is awesome. On the drive up from Dubrovnik stop at Makarska. Awesome town without the congestion of Split or Dubrovnik. Lots of day trips you can take to the islands. Stari Grad on Hvar was amazing.

    • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

      Isn’t it lovely? I love that drive. I drove the entire coast soon after the Bosnian War. Did you visit the island of Korcula?

      • steve

        Our boat stops in Korcula looking forward to it. The old architecture and paved streets never gets old to look at it truly feels like a movie set.

    • Mike G

      @steve

      I appreciate the info. I’ll add it to our trip folder. Happy you’ve been able to get to all these places! We’re looking forward to it.

  5. Polictical Prisoner

    I am in San Diego, Ca and Just did my yearly with the Sheriff dept. and they wanted me to sign a paper explaining the IML. I told them I would not sign it, they ask me why not and I used the (and) statement in the law that says you need to meet both requirements. They said ok and just wrote refuse to sign. They said it was only if I wanted to go vacation out of the country, I ask them what if I was leaving the country for good, they told me I would just have to sign out of the California registry and the IML would not apply. Comments???

    • Lake County

      Don’t take legal advise from cops. It’s not the local police that you need to worry about, it’s the feds that could arrest you upon return. Even if you planned on never returning, there’s always a chance you might someday have to return.

    • D

      It makes sense. As soon as you tell California that you are leaving them, they are no longer your jurisdiction.

      • E

        Yes! UNLESS Wisconsin has its talons in you. They follow you even into deep space if your conviction was there.

  6. When to notify (D)

    Just got off the phone with the Attorney Generals office again and I asked a few questions.
    1) if I’m moving from the state I register in to another country, do I have to report 21 days in advance. Answer was that it would be nice but notifying the current jurisdiction would suffice. You would have to re register upon returning if you ever do so.
    2) if I move to a new state and they don’t require me to register but my previous state did, do I have to notify the new state of residence of international travel. Answer was No. You only need to report if you are currently registering in a jurisdiction.
    3) Once I am abroad, do I have to notify the US when going to a different country? Answer was No. Once outside the US and successfully in another country, you don’t have to notify US of any other travel. Just reregister upon returning, if your US jurisdiction requires you to.

    • E

      Which AG? Your state’s? Which state? Or USAG?? Hard to believe they gave advice over the phone…

  7. JM from wi

    Question #4- if you’re on Fla. perpetual list does that change any of the above answers.

    • AJ

      @JM from wi:
      “Question #4- if you’re on Fla. perpetual list does that change any of the above answers.”
      —–
      Based on the information in Q&A #2, no. Though you may remain on FL’s registry, you are not registering with that jurisdiction. However, WI & NY (and others?) have a different issue, as active registration is still required even after leaving those jurisdictions.

  8. lee

    Ugh.. just got back from Europe in may and now received the letter to surrender the passport for the “marked” passport. Anyone knows when I go to get new passport, do I need to tell them on the application that I need a passport with the mark or it’s automatic thing?

    Secondly, can marked passport still go to Europe okay?

    • E

      So far so good with Europe. When I applied I filled out the “lost or stolen” form and in the narrative boxes clearly wrote “not lost or stolen. My passport was revoked via certified letter sent from Dept xyz (referenced on the letter)”. The USPS employee said, “oh, I’ve never heard of that”, and I said, “yeah, neither have I. It’s ridiculous.” And that was it. No further details. Pay for expediting.

      • E

        Then spend a little more money ($85 for 5 years) and get PreCheck. You can’t get Global Entry EVER but PreCheck you likely can. Took about 10 days instead of 2-3 days to get approved.

        • Lee

          @E, so TSA Precheck is possible to apply for? I was debating because I am not sure to get Global entry or TSA Precheck though the GE includes TSA recheck as well. Could you clarify if it’s okay to get TSA precheck but not GE?

          So what form should I do to get the marked passport? You said lost and stolen form but Mike said the new passport form. I am so confused.

        • NPS

          @Lee

          Yes, you can apply for TSA Precheck. I applied, was approved, and issued a Known Traveler Number.

        • E @ Lee

          Just go to the State Dept passport website and follow the instructions to apply. It’s very simple. As soon as you mark that you do not any longer have your previous passport it will force you to also complete the lost/stolen form.

          Same as NPS, I was approved for PreCheck. But as posted elsewhere on this site, any felony will disallow you for GE. Not so for PreCheck. They are different programs. GE involves Customs and Border Protection… whole different ballgame and harder yo get than PreCheck.

      • Will Allen

        Your passport was stolen by a criminal regime. Don’t ever support those scumbags. Don’t ever care about anyone who does.

    • Mike G

      @lee

      Welcome to the exclusive club.

      Don’t try to use your revoked passport to apply for the new one – it has been reported that it will be rejected. You must go in person with your birth certificate, etc.

      You should automatically get the marked passport, though several that should have received marked ones got unmarked ones instead. So far, we have not heard from someone getting an unmarked one, traveling, and having the new one revoked again. Hope is that if that did happen, it would not be while you are out of country, but as everyone knows, almost anything can happen to us.

      As @E says, there is no place on the application to indicate revoked, only lost or stolen. I just left both blank, and when the clerk asked which it was, I told her it was revoked. She said ‘Oh, so are you allowed a new one?’ and I said ‘Yeah, they told me to go ahead and apply for a new one.’

      Also, as @E said, you should pay for expediting – otherwise ours seem to take a lot longer than normal.

      During my 8 day European trip in April, no one looked for the marked page, going or coming. We all hope it stays that way!

      • lee

        @Mike G, so you just applied for a new passport by executing a new application form then? On the form, no need to say anything about the revoke as E mentioned? or attached the letter with the passport application?

        • E

          Use a Regular application. Not a renewal form. If you don’t have your current passport anymore you are forced to fill out the lost/stolen form. That’s where you can reference the revocation letter but I did not attach the letter. I didn’t want to help them that much or sit there with a low level USPS employee giving me the stink eye because of the letter.

  9. catch22

    Hello fellow citizens ,
    I am getting older and I want to travel overseas and see some of the world , I predicted this whole International Megans list just prior to my conviction so even though my passport had a bout 5 years left on it I renewed it , now it is good until 2023 so it is not marked or flagged so I am going to try to use it . Any advise ? Since it is not marked do you think I can get away with out filling out the California Intended travel form ? My victim was a 30yo woman 261(a)(4) if that makes any difference . Any advise would be greatly appreciated
    Thanks

    • ocguy

      The special passport is required for those who are currently registered AND whose offense involved a minor (under 18). Your passport should be fine.

    • Mike G

      @catch22

      Since your victim was not a minor, you are not subject to IML, so as ocguy says, your passport should be fine. Also, since California is not a SORNA state, there is no reason for you to give any notice to anyone.

      Do keep in mind, though, that certain countries (i.e. Canada, Mexico, UK and others) may refuse entry strictly on the basis of a criminal conviction for anything. That said, no one is sure which countries have access to the USA criminal database, so some places you may get in with no trouble, but others may stop you, or may pull you aside and question you, then let you in. Most of Europe (other than UK) should not be a problem to visit.

    • JuniorSD

      @catch22

      You absolutely ARE subject to IML if you are still required to register (which since you are in California I assume you are). The advanced travel notification portion of IML applies to all registrants that are currently required to register in any jurisdiction. The passport identifier won’t apply to you. But regardless that California is not SORNA compliant, 21 days notice is still the federal law, and not providing it could end you up in prison. There is a California DOJ form at the top of this thread that you can take to your local registration office 21 days ahead of travel.

      @Mike G
      I know your intentions are good on this, but be careful offering legal advice on something you may not be 100% sure of, as it could get someone in serious trouble. I’m no lawyer either, so I’d recommend anyone that has questions/doubts about what legal requirements they might have should consult a lawyer. My understanding on this topic from reading plenty of threads on it is that whether or not states are SORNA compliant has no bearing on IML applying. It may be more difficult to provide notice in those states, but people traveling should still cover themselves.

      • TS

        @JrSD

        Thank you for reiterating that. Regardless, make the attempt to notify, document it, keep it with you as proof, and travel knowing you did your part. By doing that, your defense is set if the traveler is challenged. No oops, no ten years in the pokey, no denying travel.

        • David

          I had to do my annual registration this week. And while there, chatting with the registering agent, who informed me that she knows of several registrants who visit Mexico regularly, “they just drive across the border”. So could someone enlighten me: Are you at legal risk in the U.S. (for not giving 21 day notice), if you go into another Country with advance-noticing OUR federales??

        • E

          If they’re not giving her notice, how would she know?

        • TS

          @David

          Yes, you are at legal risk for not giving 21 day travel notification in the USA as required if you need to do so.

          And why should you trust this registration agent you talked with? If she says people are ok with jumping into a pit of sulfuric acid, would you do it? Does she know the situation these people are just driving across under, e.g. 21 day travel notification given, certain registry tier level, which crossing they are crossing at without issue, etc? Without more specs, she should not be saying what she is saying.

        • AJ

          @TS:
          “If she says people are ok with jumping into a pit of sulfuric acid, would you do it?”
          —–
          Now, now. Be nice. I prefer to quote the late, great John Candy (who died in Mexico while filming a movie) from “Planes, Trains, and Automobiles”: ‘If they told you wolverines would make good house pets, would you believe them?’

      • NeedtoKnow

        @JuniorSD – you should listen to your own advice.

        @catch22 – you clearly state your victim was 30 years old. IML does not apply to you. It only applies to “child sex offenders.” You can just read the law.

        • JuniorSD

          @NeedtoKnow
          Sorry dude you are completely wrong. IML applies to anyone who is required to register, for any offense, in any jurisdiction. The passport identifier is the portion of the law that only applies to what IML calls “covered sex offenders” which is those who are required to register AND have an offense involving minors. But if you insist on believing otherwise, go ahead and travel at will without giving advanced notice and cross your fingers that the US Marshalls don’t scoop you up at some point.

    • AJ

      IML has some provisions which apply to jurisdictions (i.e. States, Tribes, and Territories), and some which apply to citizens (i.e. RCs). States, and ONLY States (not Tribes, not Territories) have Tenth Amendment rights which allow them to ignore some Federal laws. Citizens, however, have no such constitutional right. With that in mind, I’m confused how anyone thinks that because their particular State is non-SORNA they now have a right to ignore his/her responsibilities according to IML.

      I would appreciate it if someone who believes a resident of a non-SORNA State is exempt from IML reporting requirements would explain the source of and authority for that position.

  10. Mike G

    @Everyone

    I apologize for giving out information based on what I was told by my brother in the State Department at the time IML was signed into law.

    Until I have time to go back and read and study the law, and find out who is right and who is wrong, please DISREGARD any information I have posted regarding giving 21 day notice before traveling.

    Thank you.

    (Now back into my hidey hole…)

    • AJ

      @Mike G:
      You’ve unwittingly proven something that gets said on here a lot: don’t trust the “experts” (no maligning of your kin meant) in Government on any of this. They have zero reason to be well-educated on the ins and outs, and they have zero risk for being wrong. We are the exact opposite. Like it or not, (collective) we are the subject matter experts on this stuff. That doesn’t mean we’re lawyers or anything; it means we’ve tested the defenses of the enemy enough times to know the outcomes and behaviors.

      • Mike G

        @AJ

        Have always felt your comments were well thought out and accurate, so I will cede to the higher authority. I appreciate your taking the time to keep an eye on us and straighten us out when we get off course. Great that we have your due diligence to count on. 🙂

        P.S. My brother has since retired from the State Department, so I’m letting him off the hook.

        • AJ

          @Mike G:
          Thank you, sir. I don’t know that I always succeed doing as you state, but I strive for it. We’re all here to support and help one another, is my take. I do what I can and try to have verifiable info for what I state.

  11. steve

    Winding down the cruise portion of the trip. Just left Korcula and headed for the island of Mjet then on Friday we will be in Dubrovnik. I did forget to mention when you board the boat the Captain collects all the passports. So if you have the sor stamp get the passport cover so it would be hard to expose if someone feels like checking out in depth everyone’s passport. It’s nice the boats have wifi🇭🇷

    • Mike G

      @steve

      Happy your trip is going well. Did your boat have food on it like a cruise ship, or did you have to fend for yourself?
      Let us know if there is anything in Dubrovnik that we just can’t miss. Thanks.

    • Lake County

      I wonder why the captain takes all the passports? That would sure make it easier for a terrorist group to go onboard and easily find all the passports in one place to help the terrorists find any particular citizens they want to hurt. Like when the Achille Lauro was taken over by the Palestine Liberation Front and they killed the Jewish-American man Leon Klinghoffer. I’d prefer to have my passport in my possession so I could hide or destroy it in that situation. There are many terrorist groups that don’t like Americans or Jews.

      • steve

        We are on a 30 person boat seriously doubt that scenario would ever happen. He has to check in at every port and we have visited 7 so much easier if he holds on to them rather than me having to keep digging them out.

      • steve

        @Lake county…after talking to our captain the truth comes out, in a heavy Croatian accent, “we have to make sure you pay bar bill, then you get passport back” Big laugh …

  12. steve@mike g

    Mike here is a little tidbit. When driving up from Dubrovnik there is a little slice of Bosnia you go through and you’ll have to present your passport. Then in about 2 miles or so you’ll have to present it again reentering Croatia. Stay in the far left lane that is for all passports. Other lane is for EU and a couple others. If you’re on a bus they make everyone exit to present it. Kinda whack but no big deal. Sailed right thru. It’s going to be very hot when you are here. Do the walls early morning or late at night. It’s packed there and hot. Make sure you find some Cevapcci to eat. It’s excellent. Do the Buzza bar. Side of a cliff and really awesome view. Heading to wife’s families village in Hercegovina tomorrow than we fly back on the 4th. Will report back reentering experience then. Everyone speaks pretty good English here FYI. My wife is fluent so that was a bonus.

  13. steve

    Will be making my way back today. I’ve had no issues with anyone scanning my passports. No extra time looking at and no funny looks until this morning scanning my passport in Munich. She saw something on the screen and looked at all my stamps. Stamped me and said have a good day sir. I’ve been thru 4 countries and probably have 12 stamps. My wife’s flight was cancelled and they offered to reschedule for July 19th!!!!WTH. I had to spend 3k to get them on another airline and that one doesn’t even leave until the 5th. Never fly with Level. They are cheap but pay the extra for a real airline.

    • Mike G

      @steve

      For some reason, some of my previous comments to you are not showing up. I did respond to most of your posts – thanks for the info.

      You may recall when I flew into Munich, they saw something on the screen also, but after the agent conversed with another agent, he stamped my passport and said have a good day.

      Sorry to hear about your airline woes. I’ve never heard of Level, but I’ll remember to avoid them! We are on Turkish Air for our upcoming trip.

      Hope you get through Secondary with a minimum of fuss!

      • E @ Mike G

        Mike, you’re going thru Istanbul? Are you transferring there or going thru passport control and staying in Turkey? I’m anxious to hear how that transfer goes.

        • Mike G

          @E

          On our way to Athens, we are just transiting through Istanbul. We have a fairly short connection time, so I hope we don’t have to deal with passport control, customs, or anything else.

          On our way back, we have a fairly long layover in Istanbul. If things go smoothly on the trip in, we might get brave and try for an online visa so we can get on one of Turkish Air’s free excursions into the city from the airport.

          I’ll be sure to let you know how everything goes.

        • E @ Mike G

          Excellent, thanks!

  14. steve

    Ok so after dealing with my wife’s flight
    Mine got cancelled also. Lufthansa was great. Booked me a new hotel and new flight after waiting in a 2hr line. New flight was Munich to Frankfurt / Frankfurt to Seattle/Seattle LAX. No problems with my passport in Any country I visited. I got a little nervous about Seattle customs. During the flight a fight attendant approached me and told me someone would be meeting me at the exit because I have a tight connection. So my mind starts going wondering who it will be. Turns out it was a Lufthansa rep who gave me an express pass thru customs. They bring me all the way to the front and got a really cool inspector who pulled up my passport. We chatted and he excused himself and they told me someone would be downstairs at baggage to meet with me. Gave my passport to the officer who told me to get my bag and meet her at the exit. I knew secondary was coming.
    Got interviewed. Where I visited etc…they had my bags up there to check but said never mind and hope you make it to your connection. As I walked out with the lady CBP she said “you know why we pulled you out right” I said yes and thank you for being very professional. I had to deal with 3 different CBP agents they all were very nice and polite. A+ for Seattle.

    • E

      Good news. Appreciate the reports!

    • Mike G

      @steve

      Looks like all’s well that ends well! Sorry about all of your airplane woes, but appears that you were treated well. We were happy with Lufthansa. Also good that kids and kids friends weren’t with you when dealing with CBP in Seattle, though it appears CBP treated you fairly well!

      I am curious whether you noticed any of the CBP people looking for the passport mark, or whether anyone asked if you had given your 21 day notice.

      Wish we could get together and chat about Croatia, but I guess that would be tough with our current statuses. I have taken note of all your suggested things to see, and if possible, we will check them out.

      Thanks again for all your timely updates!

      • steve

        Nobody looked for the mark nor did anyone ask about 21 day notice. I am only guessing but at the initial CBP encounter when he first scanned my passport it only comes up as a flag and doesn’t tell the officer what the crime is. I say this because he didn’t treat me any different after he scanned it. Also nobody asked about my conviction.

        • Mike G

          @steve

          I think that is pretty much all good news. In all my dealings with CBP, I can only think of a couple of times anyone has asked any detail about what I did. I’m fine with sharing that since it was quite minor compared to what is probably in their mind. I think it must show on their screen that the conviction involved a minor, because I have been asked several times if I was married, and I’d say yes, for over 40 years, and they’d look shocked and say “…and she stayed with you after that?”

          Let’s hope that the evil mark and the 21 day notice continue to ignored for some time to come 🙂

    • KM

      It might be easier to just sneak across the southern border next time.

  15. IML

    Looks like this conference is in Texas. A bit pricing, but if anyone can attend, would be great to geet feedback on this one session. https://www.eventscribe.com/2019/CACC/fsPopup.asp?efp=RVJJU1FaRlU1OTMz&PresentationID=510744&rnd=0.6325008&mode=presinfo

    Here’s the conference info: http://www.cacconference.org/

    • Mike G

      @IML

      It would be interesting to hear if the US Marshall’s service is being encouraged to more strongly enforce IML, by whatever method.

      From reading their descriptions, you would think they think that finding 100% of the non-compliant RCs out there would eliminate all child sex crimes. By the same token, you would think they think that stopping RCs from traveling would eliminate all international child sex crimes.

      It would be much more meaningful if they could produce statistics showing how many child sex crimes are committed by non-compliant RCs, and statistics of how many sex crimes in other countries are committed by visiting RCs.

      Of course, those numbers would be so low, there is no way they could justify the millions if not billions of dollars they spend to harass us and keep the public in abject fear of us.

  16. BlueSkyeSteve

    Does anyone know if it makes a difference traveling to a country like Jamaica and Costa Rica if you have an identifier or not? These are countries that have no laws against admitting sex offenders, but some sex offenders have reported being sent home from them anyway since IML. I’ve been to Jamaica three times with no issue, but that was all before 2016. Even though my offense is 1 count of cp, when I renewed my passport last month, there was no identifier on it. I’m not sure if that was lucky oversight, or because my federal charge specified I had no victims.

    In any case, I’m wondering if countries like the two I listed above make any distinction between those with passports with the special identifier and those that don’t? Does anyone have any experience of getting in since 2016, or suggest ways I could find out?

    Thanks for your time.

    • Will Allen

      “$EX offenders” should be in prison. If a country knows that a “$EX offender” is trying to enter their country, why would they not arrest them and hold them for extradition?

    • Mike G

      @BlueSkyeSteve

      So far, no RC has reported being denied entry to a country due to a marked passport. Actually, no one has reported that anyone outside the US has even looked at the mark in a marked passport.

      • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

        Mike G, Probably because the notifications that exist entirely separately from the passport marking already fulfill the goal of refusing entry to registrants. The passport marking is just a gratuitous and symbolic degradation that probably has more to do with further degrading his interaction with banks, hotels, travel agents, etc. In other words, icing on the cake.

        • David

          The “mark of the devil” may be gratuitous, but my passport bearing that mark did cost me $135 (while my revoked passport had still been good for 7 more years.)
          F.U.U.S.!

        • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

          David, I didn’t mean gratuitous as in “free” but gratuitous as in needlessly cruel, vindictive and, in this case, expensive. “Piling-on” in other words.

  17. lee

    Hi, so just to give me an average time. How long does it take to get the passport after apply for a passport and have the mark with the expedite method?

  18. Lee

    Oh my god, I just saw that Tahiti does not turn away RSO visiting? Is that true? So I can visit Bora Bora with my partner then? That’s always been the place we want to go for anniversary. I appreciate that travel matrix; however, it does not say what happened or how it happened even with the success ones, and how long ago was it, etc. We really need those kind of data points to educate ourselves better for traveling.

    http://registranttag.org/resources/travel-matrix/

    • James I

      Dear Lee:

      I think this is so because Tahiti is technically part of France still…as Bonaire is part of the Netherlands.

      Both destinations look to be good….but this is no promise from me; we never really know and often travel is a leap of faith.

      But it is a jump we need to do from time to time.

      Best Wishes, and Good Luck, James I

      PS Also, if you’re looking for a first time passport, ask and pay a little for for expedited service.

    • E @ Lee

      Let us know how it goes! Sounds like a dream vaca.

    • Mike G

      Yes! Does look like a Rosa Parks to me! Janice?

      • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

        Except that, instead of a “bus seat,” it’s a seat on an airplane. Now, is this why they’re always giving me a seat on the back of the plane? Hmm…

    • JM of Wi.

      Kind of interesting that with or without a 21 day notification ”they” know when we leave and when we return. They can send the dire warnings through angel watch with or without notifications. Children everywhere are safe with or without notifications. Maybe the notifications separate the sheep from the wolves….Blaaaaaa

      • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

        They’ve known it all along. The system is nothing if not redundant.

        In this respect, the IML is just giving them a basis for criminally charging us for not properly notifying them. Everything works to their advantage and never to ours’.

        Aren’t databases wonderful?

    • E

      As I read it he was apprehended when he came back into the US at customs, not before he left…. that’s interesting.

      • Mike G

        @E

        I don’t think they could of arrested him before he left the country because he hadn’t violated IML yet.

        What I don’t get is how he was able to get into Honduras and stay for a month…

        • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

          They arrested a guy I believe was from Michigan, and charged him for violating IML several years ago, before he boarded a flight out of O’Hare to Europe.

        • E

          Mike G, DIK is right. It was actually at Detroit, I believe. Feds arrested him for attempting to travel without notifying…

        • Mike G

          Wow! So you can get arrested for attempted violation of IML. So I guess if you purchase an airline ticket out of the country, if you haven’t given notice, you could be arrested 20 days before the flight leaves.

        • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

          Yeah, I could have sworn it was from O’Hare but it does appear to have been from Detroit:

          “In the summer of 2013, a Registered Citizen prepared for months to celebrate his 25th wedding anniversary, spending over $16,000 for a European cruise to
          enjoy with his wife. On August 28, 2013, the happy couple went to the Detroit Metropolitan Airport to board a plane to Europe. After checking in, the registrant
          was pulled off to the side and arrested for failing to properly notify the authorities of his impending trip.” Source: “Jameson Cook (Sept. 3, 2013). Child molester in Macomb County stopped from leaving country. Macomb Daily. http://www.macombdaily.com/general-
          news/20130904/child-molester-in-macomb-county-stopped-from-leaving-country, Accessed Oct. 16, 2013 “

      • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

        Mike, well, the weird thing is is that he wasn’t convicted of violation of IML, if I remember correctly but of a law preceding it that made the same notification demands of registrants who lived in AWA-compliant states. IML wasn’t yet in force when he was arrested, isn’t that right? That’s something that has gotten very little attention from us and which I often lose track of, i.e. that notification has been required for quite some time if you lived in an Adam Walsh state and well before the passage of IML.

        • Mike G

          @N.D.I.K / Kennerly

          Thanks for that update. I also had forgotten that many states required notification before IML. So maybe it is safe to say that there have been no reports of anyone arrested for violating IML before they actually left the country.

          Also, I have not yet heard of any reports of anyone having ANY problem as a result of the marked passport. If that has affected someone’s travel, I hope they will post about it. I had no issues during my European trip in April.

  19. TS

    @Rueben

    Recently, you needed to do short notice travel to Central America for business relating to your deceased father. What did you end up doing for the travel notification and how did the travel go with it? We’d be interested to hear your experience.

  20. Illinois Contact

    Here’s a wild fantasy/speculation: What if the UK goes ahead with Brexit and leaves the EU. I have read that the UK countries except England — Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales — may not go along with that and stay in the EU as member states. Wonder if there’s any chance they might then be Schengen and allow us in. As a life-long Anglophile I know I’ll never see London again, but visiting Scotland and Norther Island and Wales would be a delight.

    • E

      I’m guessing they’d follow Ireland’s example: EU member but not a Schengen signatory. Ireland wanted instead to remain connected for travel with the UK (which refused to join Schengen).

  21. Illinois Contact

    Anyone go to Portugal recently? I know it’s Schengen and should theoretically be no problem, but, of course, I’m nervous. Going on a vacation there in Sept with my wife. Flying Newark to Porto and returning Lisbon to Chicago (my home).

    • Warren

      Me & family visited Portugal for a week late May/early June this year. They were expecting me (flyer from Angel Watch or 21 day notice from IML?). No embarrassing questions just where I was traveling to, how long I was staying and was this business or holiday travel. Took about 2 minutes, stamped my passport and no problems encountered the rest of my stay in Portugal. Also visited Spain, Italy and Greece on this trip and again no problems.

      • Don’t tread on me

        I am curious what amount of detail the 21 day requirement demands. We would like to drive and backpack through Europe. Do they require an exact itinerary with every night detailed in advance?
        We obviously would be subject to a lot of variables as to how far we make it each day. Exact locations would not be known until that day.

        • David

          @ don’t tread on me. I am in California.
          If you are in California and you use the California Department of Justice “Advanced Travel Notification” form, it is not very detailed and nearly everything on the form specifies “anticipated” (as in, “anticipated date of travel”, “anticipated country to visit”, etc.) I prefer being as unspecific as possible, noting where I stay in Paris, for example, only by the street’s name, and “Paris, France”.

      • steve

        In a case of travel like yours, I would would just give your flight info going and returning and then write your other destinations are to be determined while in Europe as we will be backpacking from country to country.

      • Illinois Contact

        Warren, so thrilled you had no problem entering Portugal. My wife are are are going next month. Flying from Newark to Porto.

        Two quick questions: How did you know they were expecting you? Did you give the IML required 21-day advance notice of foreign travel? To whom?

        Also, “took about 2 minutes.” Was it your impression that your treatment was longer/different than the other travelers, or seemed about the same?

        • Warren

          Yes, I gave my reporting agency (Orange County, CA) 21-day notice for IML travel. Most people get through customs there in less than 30 seconds. When we arrived in Portugal at customs, they scanned my passport and then sent me to another customs agent who told me he was expecting me. He already had the paperwork that was sent on me and asked few basic questions on my travel plans while in Portugal which only took a couple of minutes. He was very cordial and then wished us a pleasant stay.

          No other passport checks as we continued through Spain, France, Italy and Greece (Other than hotel check-in). We were even able to get Gibraltar (UK) and see the Rock. They did look at Passports and did not scan them so we got in. Cheers!

        • AJ

          “We were even able to get Gibraltar (UK) and see the Rock.”
          —–
          Though it’s part of the UK as a BOT, it’s also part of the EU and presumably will continue to be even after Brexit (finally) happens.

      • Major Carl Henderson

        Passport control asks EVERYONE those questions. I don’t think it was due to your registered status.

  22. Zack

    Hi everyone! I’ve seen that sex offenders are able to travel to Schengen Nations, I’m looking to travel to Spain will I get stopped and questioned etc never traveled while being a sex offender. Will I have a stamped passport? I was 18 when I got charged, the “victim” was my at the time 17 year old girlfriend who sent me pictures of herself when she was 16, so I got charged with 1 count CP. I have been reading that if the victim is under 18 then it would get a stamp now I’m not sure about CP charge sorry a lot of questions just wondering and looking to get as much info as I can

    • JM from wi

      Best info is by reading all these posts. I will be in spain sept.

    • Will Allen

      There are no travel restrictions at all regarding “$EX offenders”. But there are some restrictions in place for people who are listed on a $EX Offender Registry. I personally don’t know the restrictions very well so I wouldn’t want to say anything about it lest it mislead you.

      • R M

        Again Will, (There are no travel restrictions at all regarding “$EX offenders”.), do not forget the stipulation of being on parole/probation/supervision as I (and others) am. I have a valid passport with no marking and yet I can’t travel internationally per supervision.

        • Will Allen

          Right. But I wasn’t really commenting about the traveling, LOL. Was commenting about the use of the name “$EX offender”.

    • Warren

      Flew to Spain twice since IML was in effect. Flew into Barcelona International Airport both times and was stopped briefly both times. Just asked me basic questions about my travel plans while in Spain. No embarrassing questions. Two minutes later I’m free to enter their country. Enjoy your trip!

    • Mike G

      @Zack

      A little more info from you?
      You say you were charged – were you convicted?
      Are you currently on Parole or Probation or other supervision?
      Do you have a current passport?

      Schengen countries generally allow entry to Registered Citizens. Recommend not transiting through Canada or the UK on the way there.

      • Zack

        yeah I got convicted and was given 2 years probation but I’m done probation and I’m in the process of getting a passport now just wondering if I should tell them I’m a sex offender because I have been reading people have to send their passports back in and buy another one that’s marked don’t wanna waste money on a passport just to have to spend money again lol

        • Will Allen

          Mike G and Zack:

          Zack, I was just trying to get you to stop calling yourself names. The name “$EX offender” is a weapon of war. It is used to label you so that you can be denigrated, harassed, marginalized, and ostracized. It is used to make you feel as if you are less of a human than other people. As if you are special somehow and thus deserve special harassment. I personally won’t call myself names or certainly allow other people to do it.

          I’ve used “Registered Citizen” a lot but I’m not sure I like it so much. I don’t feel like a real, full citizen. Not sure I want to either. Amerika sucks. I am a “Registered Person” though.

          Personally, I like “Person Registered for Harassment, Restrictions, and Punishment (PRHRP)”. I think that very accurately describes the total situation and its stupidity. I would like to see all of the millions of people who are affected by this nonsense use that term all of the time, everywhere.

          If that were done, what would the situation look like in a few years? You’d have the Registry supporting crazies and zealots whining “$EX offender”, “$EX offender” just like they do today but you’d have millions of people not listening or accepting that at all. The only thing they’d hear back over and over again is Person Registered for Harassment, Restrictions, and Punishment. And tens of millions of other people would notice.

          $EX crimes deserve punishment. But once it becomes immoral, unfair, illogical, anti-reality, and anti-factual, it’s an ongoing act of war. And the Registry Terrorists literally have zero excuses that war is waged on $EX crimes and not other crimes. It is illegitimate.

  23. Illinois Contact

    Does anyone know definitely of someone from a non-SORNA-compliant state who was arrested by federal marshals for not complying with the IML 21-day foreign travel notice, if that person did register the travel with local police according to their procedure (3 days in advance in Illinois, for example)?

    I have read rumors but no one seems to know any facts for sure on this.

    • Major Carl Henderson

      Don’t know about anyone getting into trouble. But in Houston, they only just started increasing the travel notice time to 21 days. Previously, it was a day or two before travel. My officer said they had been instructed to increase it to 21 days as they don’t want to be the cause of problems for anyone on their caseload. Whether someone HAS gotten into trouble I don’t know. Nor do I know if they did whether they did something to raise suspicion.

      • TS

        @Maj Carl

        Are you saying Houston went on their own with their own travel notification schedule that was not in accordance with the State of Texas who may not even been in line with the US government? If so, that’s the first I have ever heard of a city entity going off on their own like that to do their own thing. Maybe others here can cite another example or two where a city has done that.

      • Will Allen

        ANY notice is 100% unacceptable. Any “government” that requires me to tell them of my travels in any way that is different from anyone else is a criminal regime. They are illegitimate. They deserve contempt, disrespect, and harm. I’m doing what I can to deliver that every day.

    • Will Allen

      Personally, I would notify my local Registration people 21 days in advance whether they wanted me to or not. I would send a certified letter to them. And likely their attorneys and the government officials who have authority over them as well. Three certified letters. Then wouldn’t have to worry about not following federal law.

      • TS

        I agree with @Will Allen here. Three certified letters regardless. They may decline them, but what are they going to do when you follow their official timeline of notification, reject it because you followed the 21 day reg? A rejection would fly like a lead balloon. I’m sure Senator Durbin would love to hear about that.

        • Will Allen

          Decline them? I assume you mean do not accept delivery? I would expect that would be extremely unlikely given they wouldn’t know the contents. It could be a person confessing to murdering 10 people in retaliation for the Registries! Could be another BTK guy! Remember they caught that serial killer because of mailed communications.

          I’ve sent letters before and they’ve never been declined. I don’t think a legitimate government would decline communications. But we do know what these people are about, so who knows.

          And speaking about criminal regimes and their crimes, it probably wouldn’t be the worst idea to video the entire mailing procedure. Someone suggested writing the actual # on the certified letter itself. So get the certified #, write it on the letter, put letter in envelope, and then mail. Video the entire thing.

        • TS

          @Will Allen

          Do not assume because it’s dangerous to do so.

          I did not say not delivered, I said declined. What it means is they are delivered so therefore notification was provided by law. However, they could decline to accept those that are in the envelopes. Two different concepts.

          As @AJ and I have said here previously, once they are delivered, notification has been provided. The person has met the intent of the Federal regulations to provide 21-day notification. Whether the entity actually decides to physically accept the documentation as provided is up to the entity. That is the problem @Illinois contact is having and needs to do it at the three days prior.

          If you shove it down their throat as you suggested with a certified letter, which I’m for, the letter of the fed law has been met despite whether the entity receiving the notification will accept it because it’s before the three-day window they only accept notifications.

          That is why I threw Senator Durbin’s name into the discussion for the state of Illinois. If the person is trying to meet the federal regulations and the state is not accepting it even though they’ve been certified delivery, his reaction might be one of any numerous things.

        • AJ

          “Decline them? I assume you mean do not accept delivery?”
          —–
          I doubt they would do such, either. Too much risk involved in not finding out. Can you imagine the furor if it were later discovered a crime could have been avoided or solved had they accepted the mailed info? Ohhh baby!
          =====

          “And speaking about criminal regimes and their crimes, it probably wouldn’t be the worst idea to video the entire mailing procedure. Someone suggested writing the actual # on the certified letter itself. So get the certified #, write it on the letter, put letter in envelope, and then mail. Video the entire thing.”
          —–
          Twas me who suggested this process. Go to the PO and get yourself a Certified Mail form (or three, for good measure). Compose your letter, with a header in bold stating, “Mailed via Certified Mail. Certified Mail #xxxxxxxxx.” Personally I’d send an exact copy via regular mail. In that case, both letters would have headers saying, “Mailed via Certified and First Class Mail. Certified Mail #xxxxxxxxx.” (Mailing by both methods helps with the refusal issue, since the 1st Class letter will make it.) I would then go to the PO with my letter(s) and envelope(s) unsealed. I’d film myself in the PO lobby assembling and sealing them, including showing the Certified Mail info. After completing the transaction at the window (better yet, at the self-mailing machine if possible so it can be recorded non-stop), I’d video the receipt while standing in the PO lobby still. This may all sound like overkill, but when you’re dealing with slimy gov’t types, you have to nail them to the wall with irrefutable facts….and then nail them a bit more. Few are slimier than those related to RC/ML stuff.

        • TS

          @AJ

          Now that would be rich if they disregarded a 21 day travel notice for their own shorter period and something happened which the 21 day should’ve been processed. Heads would hopefully roll on that misstep.

  24. David

    how does the country you are going to find out about your conviction? is it only because the 21 day notice thing or can they see it when they scan your passport? I’ve been reading some of the posts can’t really find anything about this, if it has been posted before my bad didn’t see it.

    • Scotus Save Us Now

      Depends on the country. 5 hand countries have access to the FBI database, but mostly the gov’t sends a green notice through interpol. Even without the 21 day notice they were sending it before you landing by scanning your passport and looking at manifests.

    • Bo

      If its compelled speech on a license, why is it not compelled speech on a passport. And even if the icon isn’t, -if in the rfid data it says sex offender, would that be?

      • TS

        @Bo

        It could be considered government compelled speech in a passport if it was in the RFID, I would think.

        The big question becomes is if it is in the RFID and it’s seen by government only who have the ability to read that, is it still government compelled speech issue much like the registry used to be law enforcement only and just like the code that is now on the Alabama driver’s license which cannot be deciphered without the secret decoder ring by those who are privy to it? As @AJ noted here recently when we discussed the Alabama driver’s license case is the judge tacitly agreed with coding being sort of okay (even though in the end it truly is still government compelled speech regardless of how it’s presented).

        However, you have to show on an individual case basis pain, suffering, or damage because of it. That is what these challenges in the various states on facial basis are showing for DLs/IDs.

      • AJ

        @Bo:
        “If its compelled speech on a license, why is it not compelled speech on a passport.”
        —–
        It may well be, but it also may be a tougher case to make and win for a few reasons. 1) As pointed out in the recent AL win, passports aren’t nearly as ubiquitous and necessary as DLs and IDs are. One can function in our society without a passport, not so (much) a DL or ID. 2) The passport is technically a document wherein the Secretary of State is requesting another country allow your entry. That has raised the question in scholarly papers (and court cases? I can’t recall) of whether one is willfully engaging in some level of diplomacy. The courts give broad latitude to the Executive regarding diplomacy.

        In short, the difference probably lies in the domestic versus international uses and requirements. As for the RFID, State claims this information isn’t embedded. I tend to believe them because I doubt these RFIDs can be flashed with updates (big security risk!). Since IML only applies to those who are still on registries, State would need to keep track of whether one is still on a registry. That could change either direction simply by interstate moves. If the RFIDs aren’t flashable, State would need to reissue a passport every time one’s RC status changed. In truth, I suspect the only info in the RFID are one’s permanent characteristics (sex, birthplace, etc.) and name of record at application (thus the use of the Endorsements pages for name changes).

  25. Illinois Contact

    Anyone been to Portugal lately? My wife are I are going in September. I assume that because it’s Schengen there will be no problem, but I’d love to have that confirmed by a first-hand report.

    • E

      Haven’t been in several years. Spain was no problem earlier this year. Please do report back afterwards!

  26. JL

    I will be traveling to Croatia soon and I have not had any luck finding any information about whether sex offenders can enter the country. Does anyone have any experience with traveling to the country of Croatia? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

    • steve

      I was just there no problems. Look up about 20 posts on this thread for more info.

    • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

      Croatia is letting us in. Several have been there within the last several months (do a Google search for all4consolaws.org AND Croatia). You’ll be fine.

  27. Mike G

    Hello all. We are scheduled to start a multi-country trip in Eastern Europe in about 4 weeks.

    Just a general inquiry in case I missed something:

    Has anyone had a major or even a minor travel related problem as a result of the Marked Passport?

    Thanks!

  28. Mike G

    Here is our scheduled trip, leaving in about 4 weeks:

    Turkey: Just changing planes on the way there – on the way back we have a 7 hour layover (possible visit downtown Istanbul if there are no issues?) (?)

    Greece: Schengen so no expected problems

    Macedonia (maybe part of Greece?)

    Albania: (?)

    Montenegro: (?)

    Bosnia-Herzegovina: (?)

    Croatia: No problems expected due to fine reports from Steve!

    Slovenia: Schengen plus been here before – no problems expected

    Hungary: Schengen plus been here before – no problems expected

    Serbia: (?)

    Bulgaria: (?)

    If anyone has info on the question-marked locations, we would appreciate hearing it!

    Thanks!

    • AJ

      @Mike G:
      “Macedonia (maybe part of Greece?)”
      —–
      You just unwittingly offended a whole bunch of Greeks and Macedonians. 😀 FYI: the country changed its name to the Republic of North Macedonia to settle a dispute with the Greeks over the name.

      Greece does have a region called Macedonia (an area the Apostle Paul roamed), so the mistake/confusion is forgivable.

      https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/13/europe/north-macedonia-name-change-intl/index.html

      • Mike G

        Wow AJ!

        You are like the Super Fact Checker that keeps us all inline! (Last thing I want to do is offend a bunch of Greeks and North Macedonians before I even get there 🙁 )

        Okay, I had done a quick Google search for Macedonia, and one of the results was “Macedonia, Greece” so I just kind of assumed…

        Anyway, a little better research confirms we are definitely headed for North Macedonia, city of Ohrid.

        Hope to hear from any RC who has successfully traveled in this area.

    • steve

      Bosnia not a problem spent 3 days there. You are going to pass thru it on drive from Dubrovnik to Split. They have a slice of the coast. Where are you going in Bosnia?

      • Mike G

        Thanks Steve.

        Our itinerary has us going from Dubrovnik to Mostar, Bosnia Herzegovina, and then back to Northern Croatia.

        • David

          @ Mike G: I hope everything goes well for you in Turkey when you “just change planes”. I had to abandon a nonrefundable ticket (read: $$$) to France because I could not get any assurance from the Irish Border Patrol that I would not be turned back when I landed there to change airplanes. I had email discussions back and forth with the head of their border patrol unit located at that airport and he said that it was ultimately up to each individual border patrol officer as to whether they turned someone back or admitted them and he could not provide me with any assurance as to what each officer would do . I decided that risking my expensive trip to French vacation was not worth the risk, so I bought another ticket that flew through a friendlier Schengen country.
          (Sorry to be a wet blanket.)

        • steve

          Went thru Bosnia checkpoints 3 times and they didn’t bat an eye. We were going to do Mostar as we have some relatives there but stayed in Medjugorie with some other family a bit longer.

        • Mike G

          @steve

          Thanks! Always good to hear positive travel news!

          @David

          I really appreciate your concern. Yes, there is a certain amount of risk involved flying to Istanbul. Unfortunately, Turkey does not show up on the RTag matrix, so we have no idea if anyone has successfully entered there, or if anyone has been refused entry. It is almost a sure thing that Satan Watch will send them a warning letter – luck may determine which way things go. We have already decided that my wife will continue the trip on her own if I get turned around, but it would be a great disappointment for both of us, so fingers crossed.

          Our luck has been with us in the past. The UK won’t allow RCs to enter the country, but I flew into Heathrow last year, changed planes, and flew out with no issues. Taiwan won’t allow RCs to enter (according to RTag) but we flew into Taipei (twice), changed planes, and flew out with no issues. Canada (as we all know) won’t let anyone with a criminal record enter in, but we flew into Toronto, changed planes, and flew out again with no issues. Actually, in Toronto, they released us right into the airport lobby where we could have walked outside, got in a cab, and toured the town. I think someone made a bureaucratic error that trip.

          So, we’re going to spin the roulette wheel again, and hope we don’t hit “00”.

        • NY won’t let go

          Istanbul was Constantinople. 😂

          I had a layover there about 2 years ago. But then again I was just changing planes and never had to go through immigration. It’s got a great view at night landing there though.

          Unlike the UAE that has US immigration there. So you go through secondary before you even land in the US like it’s a local flight.

          Hope the trip goes well.

        • AJ

          @Mike G:
          “I flew into Heathrow last year, changed planes, and flew out with no issues. Taiwan won’t allow RCs to enter (according to RTag) but we flew into Taipei (twice), changed planes, and flew out with no issues. Canada (as we all know) won’t let anyone with a criminal record enter in, but we flew into Toronto, changed planes, and flew out again with no issues.”
          —–
          I suspect that’s because you never technically crossed into any of these countries. Though you were of course on British, Taiwanese, and Canadian soil at the time, you never processed through customs and immigration. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if RCs can internationally transit through pretty much any airport without a problem. If one stays away from customs/border control and stays within the secure area of the airport, travel experiences will probably be more safe than sorry. That all said, Anger Watch certainly has its fingers in the pie and may cause a trip-up now and then. But all in all I bet it’s safe, as your own travels indicate. (The Canada instance is a bit odd, though!)

          A further of how this may all work can shown by what occurred with a family member. He is one of these people who loves flying and does all sorts of tricks and maneuvers to fly here, there, and everywhere for cheap and to collect airline miles and such. (Way more work than worth, IMO.) On one particular trip, he flew to a German airport only to turn around and fly back out some hours later. When he presented his passport to the gate agent to check in for the flight out, she was confused why he was lacking immigration/emigration markings. He explained to her he had never actually entered Germany, having only arrived a couple hours earlier, waited in the terminal, and was now flying out–on the reciprocal flight no less. It confused her for a while, but once he explained what he was doing and why, she said, “oh, you’re one of those people.” Apparently it was not her first experience with a miles-hound.

          In short, as long as one doesn’t have to process through customs and immigration, one is in a no-mans-land inside the international terminal and will almost assuredly escape any scrutiny or problems. No guarantees this will always happen for everyone since Anger Watch will rat out a traveler.

        • Mike G

          @NY won’t let go

          Thanks for that info (but I don’t think I will put Constantinople on my 21-day travel form 🙂 ). I’ve read that if you fly Turkish Air, and you have a 7 hour or longer layover in Istanbul, they give you a free excursion into the city to see some sites, and include a free breakfast. On our outbound trip, we have a 2 hour layover, but on our return, we have a 6 hour 53 minute layover. If we have no issues the first time through, we might see if we can beg to get on one of those excursions. It would mean getting a Turkish Visa, but it looks like an immediate online process for $10 or so, and I doubt there would be any checking, but we will play that one by ear.

          @AJ

          I agree with your assessment. If you manage to avoid Customs and Border Patrol, there shouldn’t be a problem, unless they are waiting for you when you get off the plane (like happened to me in Thailand) because of the warning letter from Satan Watch. Also, if you arrive on a cruise ship, they can sometimes be rather lax. We walked right off the ship and spent a few hours in Victoria, Canada, and I didn’t even have my passport with me. We also left the ship and toured St. Petersburg, Russia, for two days with no issues.

        • Mike G

          @NY won’t let go

          Also, I forgot to mention, Istanbul has a brand new airport – it just opened in April. I hope there is still the great view that you experienced.

  29. David

    A brief follow-up to my adventure of being met at Charles de Gaulle Airport by the French police and briefly questioned. In response to this “adventure”, five months ago, I submitted FOIA requests to the Department of Justice (U.S. Marshals Service) as well as to Department of Homeland Security (ICE). To date, neither of them have been able to provide me with a response to my FOIA requests despite numerous follow-ups by me. I have now contacted my congressman to get involved and push DOJ and DHS for answers to my requests. 😠

    • TS

      @David

      Here is hoping the elected official in WDC can get them to move off their collective duffs.

    • steve

      Interesting I had no issues at CDG last month.

    • E @ David

      Submitted FOIA requests “for what?” Demanding to know what they sent the French police, or other??

      Thanks for this follow up. I am keen to hear what happens, for sure.

    • AJ

      @David:
      Goodonya! I hope you get some answers and the bureaucrats are forced to life their veils of secrecy a little bit.

  30. Illinois Contact

    Still love to hear if anyone has any recent experience with Portugal. Wife and I have have a big trip there coming up next month, and all signs point to no trouble, but it’s nerve-wracking.

    • InAbiggerWALL

      @Illinois Contact,
      I have traveled to Italy and no problem. I do not see why traveling to Portugal will be an issue.

  31. Zack

    I’ve seen that Hong Kong allows people in but china doesn’t, now has anyone tried to walk into china from Hong Kong. I have done some research and people say when they fill out the application for visa at one of the walk bridges that they have no way of looking into your background, is this true? Also how does the country u are traveling to find out you are a sex offender other than the USA notifying them.

    • NY won’t let go

      If you apply for a China visa outside of the US they just need your tour plans and lodging etc. they actually do it through an agency here.

      They don’t have access as far as I know to US records due to the whole information war going on. The only question regarding history on the form was about committing any crimes in China and if you have ever committed a political crime.

      They told me to just bring my tourist info and 125USD and they would process the visa application.

      Hong Kong they don’t even bat an eye at you when you go. They don’t even stamp your passport. They just give you a little piece of paper that you need to bring back to them.

      Right now all flights to Hong Kong are shut down from here due to rioting though.

      I was supposed to go to China this weekend for a conference, but with the military forces they just put in that city it’s been postponed.

      Right now they are gearing up for war. One to reclaim Hong Kong as part of China and another to take back Taiwan which recently purchased a couple billion in weapons from the US. Including tanks and guns….

    • Lake County

      The biggest issue when traveling to a country that you did not report on your 21 day notice to IML is that your passport might get stamped upon entry. Then on your return to America, border agents might notice the stamp that wasn’t listed on your itinerary and create severe problems for you.

      • AJ

        @Lake County:
        Very good point, sir. I imagine the only claim one could make is that it was an impromptu itinerary change after leaving the US. In the case of going to HK and then deciding to venture into the rest of China, it may hold up. Other situations may work too, but I suspect in any case it would depend on how long that impromptu detour lasted. If a small percentage of one’s travels, probably fine. Anything more will probably look to a judge as an attempt to evade federal law.

      • steve

        Going thru customs last month nobody asked about 21 day notice nor did they inspect any of my stamps.

        • Lake County

          The problem is that each custom official has great power and can make decisions based on a whim or because they are just having a bad day. Of course new custom officials are more likely to take all rules to an extreme just to prove themselves as good employees. You don’t have to be a registered citizen to get targeted by a customs official.

        • Illinois Contact

          Can you help with details. Do you mean leaving the US or returning? Which airport? Had you registered with you local police jurisdiction (according to their local rules), or given 21-day notice (to whom)? Which country (countries) did you visit? These are all such essential details to us would-be travelers.

        • TS

          @steve

          I doubt CBP is going to ask about 21 day travel notice since that comes through DOJ to USMS to enforce as noted in the briefing slides linked here recently as opposed to where CBP is part of DHS. Suppose they could but that would be a new step in the process that has not been mentioned here before.

    • Notorious D.I.K.

      Going from H.K. to Shenzhen eleven years ago they seemed to know everything about me. The U.S. State Department had, just weeks earlier, held up my passport renewal for “investigation” to find out if I had “a second passport” (they never explained what they meant by that) and, apparently realizing that I did not (or so they said) and after insisting that I declare that I did not, finally issued me the passport, which I had paid much more for to expedite, a full month after the application. So, when I get to the passport control on the HK/China border several weeks later, they pull me aside and have me wait for an hour and then come back and grill the shit out of me. They asked me why I had “a second passport.” I explained that I had never had “two passports” from the U.S. or anywhere else. Now, how weird is that? Obviously, China knew about the U.S. holding up my passport and the allegation that I had another passport. It was very curious, indeed. I believe that China knows a LOT about us when we enter China whether or not it is given freely by the U.S. You can be sure that there is very sophisticated and extensive information gathering going on to which China and any number of other countries (but especially, China) has access to.

      • NY won’t let go

        That’s crazy…. since I left the US I haven’t had any issues traveling except SIngapore briefly where they wanted me to prove it was my passport because I didn’t look like myself anymore I guess. 😅

      • Mike G

        My wife and I visited China for 3 weeks a couple of years ago. At the time, my brother was the number 2 US official in China (the US ambassador being #1). He wrote invitation letters for us to submit with our visa applications. We were both issued visas with no problem, and we visited with no problems, but interestingly, my wife’s visa was good for 1 year; mine was only good for 30 days. Therefore, I assume they have some type of access to US records.

        • NY won’t let go

          The length of the visa and how many times you can come is determined by the person issuing it. Whether you apply for a 10 year or a single entry it’s the same price from what I was told here.

  32. Steveo

    Me and my wife are headed to Spain in late September. We were in Hungary, Czech Republic, and Romania last year and since we live in Texas (a non-SORNA compliant state) I tried to contact the deputy in the county I report in, and having never received a call back, I just mailed him a certified letter about 30 days before I flew out. He spoke to me about it in my annual registration, and suggested (and it was just a suggestion, because he has no authority in the federal scheme) that I fill out some sort of form on federal site telling them where I was going and when. I told him that I would look into it. I tried looking for the link, but could not find it. I really don’t think there is any legal obligation to fill out some sort of online deal with federal law enforcement for a person leaving from a non-SORNA state. So I was just going to do what I did last time. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

    • steve

      All you are required to do is report it to your local reporting agency. It’s what I did and it was fine.

    • AJ

      @Steveo:
      “He…suggested…that I fill out some sort of form on federal site telling them where I was going and when.”
      —–
      Maybe you should show him on the Feds’ site where it says they don’t and won’t take info directly from RCs, and that it must go through the jurisdiction.

      Personally I’d stick with what you did. It’s legal, it fits the requirements of SORNA, and it works.

    • TS

      @steveo

      That is why they are a deputy and not the Sheriff, who is elected and would be possibly challenged on the validity of the info they are giving to others during a campaign. In fact, you ought to ask the Sheriff if they are ok with false info being given out from their office. Certified letter is a great move by the way. No way but to accept it.

    • MathewLL

      I have a copy of a SMART IML Dispatch February 2016, which states:

      “The SMART Office is not authorized to collect or receive notifications of international travel from anyone, including individual offenders, attorneys, or registration officials. If an offender wishes to make a notification of international travel pursuant to IML’s statutory requirements, that offender must report it to his or her registration agency.”

      Link. https://www.smart.gov/pdfs/IML-Dispatch-2016.pdf

      • Will Allen

        Who are these scumbags calling “offender”? The only offenders are the NOT-SMART scumbags and the criminal regimes. Today, Sunday, I will continue to retaliate.

      • TS

        Thank you @Matthew LL for reiterating that message by using the Dispatch source. We’ve been saying that here for as long as it’s been discussed when some don’t believe it even as ACSOL posts it as header to be read.

        The Fed’s are fed by the states whether it be the travel notification or the registry. It’s that simple.

  33. Illinois Contact

    Anyone travel to Europe this summer and have a good/bad experience with customs? Love to hear the details. Going to Portugal with my wife soon.

    • Mike G

      We had no trouble in Europe in April. One agent in Munich scrutinized his computer’s display of my record a lot longer than my wife’s, and then asked another agent a question, but then stamped and handed back my passport and said have a good trip. As you probably know, once you get inside Europe (other than UK) you generally won’t see anymore customs or border patrol until you leave Europe. Unlikely you will have any trouble in Portugal, but let us know if you do. We’re scheduled to go there in April.

  34. http404

    I have only loosely followed this thread because I really had no desire to travel internationally. I work in the nonprofit sector and about a month ago, the president of the organization worked out some kind of deal with a travel agency to take the entire board down to Cabo San Lucas for a mid-year retreat. My boss doesn’t know details, but she knows I royally screwed up with the law in my youth and it also reared its ugly head this past year when I was denied a clearance to take the organization on a tour of one of California counties’ emergency operations centers. And fortunately, nobody within the organization asked questions beyond the fact that I had some trouble with the law in the past and they’re not comfortable giving me access. But back to the Cabo thing… this was a potential problem I did NOT want to see play out. I talked with my boss without getting into specifics and said I can’t go to Mexico because of my past. She was completely understanding and went to bat for me to figure out how we could save face. So, it had never come up about employees traveling internationally and a policy decision was made on the spot that employees are not permitted to travel out of country, which was conveyed to the client nonprofit organization. The client respected and accepted our “policy.”

    That said, I probably COULD have averted an awkward scene the way the travel plans were laid out, but I had no desire to test the waters. The plan was that all those taking the trip would need to make sure their passports were up to date. We were then to travel by shuttle across the border to the Tijuana Airport and take a flight from Tijuana to Los Cabos. As guests of the country’s travel and tourism bureau, it probably would have been uneventful. But I live a law abiding life and have no desire to take chances that would jeopardize the life I’ve built for myself over the past 30 years post-conviction.

    But I did some research and would like to offer some advice if ANY of you find yourself in a similar situation. Check your employee/employment agreement if it exists. If your job position does not state that international travel is included, your employer cannot force you to, and you can simply state you do not feel comfortable or safe traveling outside of the United States. Beyond that, I would hope that you have an open dialogue with your employer that you have a “checkered” past and that a very, very rare occasion might pop up that affects your ability to carry out an unusual job expectation. I do understand how blessed I am to have found an employer and her business partner who understand sometimes we make monumental mistakes but they do not define who we are as individuals, and if you are not working for someone like this, keep your resume fresh and polished until you do.

    I’ve dodged major bullets for 29 years now, some close enough that I could figuratively hear whizzing by my head. For those of you who have put your mistakes in the past, I wish the same for you.

    And in closing, I will only say it is regrettable that I could not join my clients in Cabo San Lucas. Perhaps things will change in the future, but for now, they are what they are.

    And one final bit of advice. If you DO have international travel planned, I would suggest investing in travel insurance. I don’t know if it would be covered, but if you find your entire vacation trip ruined because some country’s interior ministry decides they don’t want to allow you entry, you are not staring at a gaping hole in your bank account for nothing.

  35. Just Another Constituent

    When I renewed my passport earlier this year and it came back without the IML endorsement, I contacted my Congressional Representative for help. Their staff member asked their State Department liaison for assistance, and they were told I could ask to have my passport revoked and apply for a new one. The Congressional staff member communicated my revocation request to the liaison, and upon notification that my passport had been revoked (I had to ask the staff person to find this out for me) I reapplied ay my local post office. The passport clerk was polite and had not heard of the IML endorsements. With expedited handling, I received my endorsed passport within 10 days. My old one was returned to me a few days later with a form letter explaining the statutory basis of the endorsement.

    My Representative has a staff member who was courteous and consistently responsive to my emails. They get my vote (again)!

    • TS

      @Just another constituent

      Did you pay fees both times even though it was possibly their error? Did you renew after a revoke letter arrived or only after expiration? More details please

      • Just Another Constituent

        1. Yes, I paid fees both times; expedited handling the second time.

        2. The first “renewal” application was prior to expiration or revocation, but after conviction.

        3. The successful application was not a renewal, but for a new passport after the previous renewal was revoked upon my request through my Congressional representative for an Angel Watch review.

        4. I did not get a letter until after the endorsed passport was sent to me. I was notified of the revocation through my helpful Congressional staff person.

  36. Jay

    Has anyone tried walking into Mexico? Wonder if it’s the same as the airports?

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