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ACSOL Makes Presentation to CA Sex Offender Management Board

ACSOL President Chance Oberstein and ACSOL Executive Director Janice Bellucci made a presentation to the California Sex Offender Management Board during the board’s monthly meeting on September 19. During their presentation, the ACSOL leaders informed the board about changes needed to the Tiered Registry and asked the board to support those changes. Also during the meeting, CASOMB members reported on the number of registrants in the state.

The Tiered Registry should be modified to allow individuals convicted of child pornography (CP) offenses to be removed from Tier 3 which requires lifetime registration and to be assigned to Tiers 1 and 2 instead, according to Oberstein and Bellucci. Federal guidelines support these changes which recommend that a person convicted of CP possession be assigned to Tier 1 and that a person convicted of either CP production or distribution be assigned to Tier 2.

In addition, the ACSOL leaders recommended that individuals assigned to Tier 3 be allowed to petition for removal from the registry after 30 years provided they were not convicted of a subsequent sex offense. Although several board members asked questions during ACSOL’s presentation, they did not agree or disagree with ACSOL’s recommended changes to the Tiered Registry.

The ACSOL presentation to the board also included information regarding lawsuits filed on behalf of registrants and their families that have led to the eradication of presence restrictions for those not on parole or probation. In addition, ACSOL told the board that a total of 39 lawsuits have been filed in order eliminate residency restrictions in the state.

Also during the meeting, the CA Department of Justice reported that the total number of registrants in the state is 108,484 which does not include individuals convicted of a sex offense in California, but who live in another state. Of that total, there are 78,435 registrants who are not in custody but instead are living “in the community”. The agency also reported that there are 16,858 registrants who are “in violation” for a number of reasons including failure to register.

ACSOL’s presentation to the CA Sex Offender Management Board (CASOMB) does not reflect the ultimate goal of the organization or the movement. Instead, it was a step in the right direction in the form of a request that CASOMB join us in modifying the existing Tiered Registry Law. CASOMB was created by the state legislature and is considered the state’s policy expert on registrant issues. CASOMB makes recommendations to the state legislature and therefore they have an important voice in any future changes. CASOMB is not willing at this time to recommend abolition of the registry, however, they may be willing to request changes to the Tiered Registry Law. There are different methods, including lawsuits, to get to the Tipping Point where elected officials and the public will understand how ineffective and useless registries are to achieve the stated goal of increasing public safety while at the same time harming hundreds of thousands of families in the U.S.

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  1. Gralphr

    The only thing I disagree with is tier 3 petitions at 30 years!!!!!! It doesnt take potentially 3 decades to show you’re no longer a threat, not to mention with that amount of time, the individual has zero time to make anything of themselves without being a registrant since even if the person was released at 20 years old, they’d be at least 50 before they had a chance to get off, with most people realistically being at least 60 or 70 when allowed off, which really makes any benefit of being off almost pointless. I cant believe ACSOL actually asked for that. Why not 10, 15, or 20 years crime free? That at least gives one a chance at life before they’re too old!!!!

    • blake

      bro 30 years. Most of us are on lifetime. I mean wtf? how is this even right? I feel like we need a rebellion. I honestly feel like that is gonna be the only way at this point to even get anywhere.

      • Gralphr

        I understand many are under lifetime. My point was on average, going by their recommendation, one would easily be in their 60s or 70s by the time they were even allowed to get off. Its basically saying we wont let you off (which entails loss of potential employment, housing, etc.) until you’re of a age where discrimination is rife concerning jobs and housing for the elderly. Its almost no point in letting said people off, because they’re too old to make something of their life once they get to that age. One example would be a guy get locked away at the age of 24, gets out at 32, then must wait until hes at least 62 before they will even let him off. Those 30 years “waiting” to get off will no doubt be chock full of incidents where he was denied a job or housing solely based on the fact hes on the registry, keeping out of trouble be damned. It will also mean the guy has potentially spent 3 times the amount he was in prison on a registry (whats the logic in that?!). Realistically, 10 years offense free should be enough. I’ll admit, they know more than me when it comes to law, but even the Static99-R says in just a few years the person being a danger halves, then continues to drop yearly. So they must have a score of -33 to get off the registry?????!!!!!

    • Agamemnon

      It’s called compromise. As of now, anyone who ends up on tier 3 would have to register for life.

      • Gralphr

        Yeah, but that’s some compromise to tell someone they can petition once their in their 60s or 70s. A cruel joke if anything. For many guys, if they’re let out in their 40s or 50s it pretty much is still lifetime registration, so I think it’s pretty pointless, and extremely harsh.

        • Agamemnon

          As it stands right now, the registry is lifetime for everyone.

          Even 4 years ago I didn’t think a bill like this would happen. It’s “a step in the right direction.” Meaning this can lead to more beneficial changes to the laws as they currently stand.

          And if for some reason no law is ever passed in this country again, it’s still better than what we’re dealing with now.

    • Matthew

      I think 30 years is the way that they can attempt to help those on Tier 3 little by little. There needs to be a give and take on this. Right now, its life, 30 years would be way less. What would you recommend? the law sucks we all know it but right now a tiered system is the best we have going. if its too low, they will not see a difference.

      • Gralphr

        Considering the average guy is in his mid 30s or early 40s depending on when he was convicted and released from a prison, the difference is getting off at 60+ or 70+. No, I don’t think 30 years makes a difference whatsoever. Either way, the mans life is still ruined and hes too old to make a decent recovery.

    • Steve

      I totally agree with you, my offense is 288.5 continuous sex abuse of a child under 14. I have since completed 4 years of therapy and been offense free from 16 years. I have reconciled with the victim of my crime and would like the opportunity to enjoy travels etc with my family. I cannot go with my family when they travel to see relatives in the Philippines and each time I travel out of state I am putting my self at risk if I don’t check in and out with the local Sheriff. We are truly not free citizens, forever we must always be tracked by law enforcement with no way to prove that we are not dangerous.

      • Mike

        How about this as far as not knowing if we’re dangerous:
        How can the us government enact a sex offender registry and before they enacted the law the us gov. Has done study on recidivism rates in 1994 the studies results show 9% and has done a study since 1994 and results show below 5% but they said the reason they need the registry is “high and frieghtening” rate of 80%, the us gov. Knew the truth before and still enacted the registry, thats fraud, if you don’t believe me the studies they did are on Doj’s & Smart.gov website.

  2. Greg

    As it currently stands I will be apart of Tier 3. Though my conviction was in 2009 and I pled no contest, I have strong feels against the registry when I do get older. I’m currently in my 40’s but have thought what happens (I hope it doesn’t) if I reach an old age and have some kind of Alzheimer’s disease and I “forget” to register on my annual? As the law currently is and how I understand it, there is no leeway and I am in violation! I’ll be sitting in some chair minding my own business and taken away to jail or prison because I have a disease that prevented me from knowing where and when I currently am. This is pretty sad. I’m glad to hear that Janice’s presentation brought up a path for removal from Tier 3 if having met certain guidelines. I do hope the CASOM Board and lawmakers take this to heart and understand this. As the SOs become older and infirmed, they are so much less of a risk that why would California or any other state want to monitor them anymore?

    • Gralphr

      I agree, but 30 years!!! In 30 years you could have raised a family, AND be a grandparent, yet you’re “still dangerous” and must wait 3 decades? That still seems overly harsh. If one is crime free for 10 years, thats easily a marker where you should be taken off, or at least be lowered to a tier 1.

    • dph

      Greg, good point explained clearer…look at the persons (some gals too) @ age 19 left incarceration @22 and instead of 24 goes further.
      NOT being able to get employment, STILL preferenced judgementalized DISCRMINATED NOT for RSO but NOW
      old age , you are so correct sir!
      AND HOUSING!
      can just wait until Alzhiemer’s kicks in and Dementia and all Family is gone and FORBID the 3rd Tier in place forgetting to Reg ONCE!
      THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTS!
      Keep Fighting Janice & Chance ! WITH CASOMB…
      Folks, if we don’t do it their way (Governmental) they WILL WIN! Must do Proper Steps to Gain Forward and remove 3rd tier or advance to 5 or 6th for FAIRNESS. Unfortunately takes TIME
      Chance says Mitigation as a Crim Atty and get a REDUCTION to bring down your level 3 to lowered tiered. CofR etc.
      RISK FACTOR is reasonable or LOW.
      Janice agrees.

  3. Newtoregistry

    I will be a tier 3 of reducing my wobble to a misdemeanor doesn’t make mine 10 years, which is rather ridiculous when federally my offense is 20 years or even 15 in other states…

    I was forced to plead guilty because I was told by multiple attorneys I wouldnt win at trial even though my offense wasnt directly sexual in nature…

  4. USA

    Great work! The one thing that I think is important is how does PC 17B and PC 1203.4 affect Tiers. I would imagine a 17B would for all intense purposes make it a misdemeanor, but the difference in some situations could be substantial. This question is being addressed to the board only !

  5. R M

    “The Tiered Registry should be modified to allow individuals convicted of child pornography (CP) offenses to be removed from Tier 3 which requires lifetime registration and to be assigned to Tiers 1 and 2 instead, according to Oberstein and Bellucci.” NOOOOOO, they should be on NO registry.

    “In addition, the ACSOL leaders recommended that individuals assigned to Tier 3 be allowed to petition for removal from the registry after 30 years provided they were not convicted of a subsequent sex offense.” NOOOOOO, 95+% never re offend.?

    • dph

      YES, ….not noooo, THE GOAL IS TO ABOLISH THE REG!
      But if the Legal doesn’t take the appropriate steps…
      They (ACSOL) will be laughed at and NOT Heard, and not a part of the Proper systems here in Cali SAC.
      many are on T-3 (vast MAJORITY) here and can’t wait to drop down even one step…
      I AGREE CP folks should be on T-1 and lessor, the GENERATORS need to be on 3 with ME.
      BUT….it does NOT Work That Way dude!
      glad you voiced your opinion tho RM
      doesn’t happen over night but YEARS…we’ve come a Long Way Baby…RM you know this

  6. Mike D.

    No mention of how big of a scam the Static 99R is?

    • Gralphr

      There would be no need to show it a scam. Just play along with it and mention where it says the person risk halves after a serv number of years, then drops yearly. Mention it was designed to last only a few years, then said score is supposed to be void. Then mention 10 years crime free should be removal from the registry!!!!!

      • Bo

        Keep in mind the counter argument to that.

        X amount of sex crimes go unreported so, that actual rate is a million times higher. Hyperbole, I know, but know people dont just automatically believe that stuff.

    • dph

      ALL OVER These Pages for years now…
      Static 99R should be abolished

    • norman

      Dude..I dont even qualify for the static 99 or any other pseudoscience junk..yet I am a lifetime member of the price club membership….smfh

  7. Matt

    Although I will always appreciate and support this organization, There should be exactly one message, and one message only: The registry, in its entirety, is unconstitutional. Period. End of discussion. No tiers. No timelines. No requests. No nothing. The registry is wrong. Commit a crime; pay the consequences, whatever those may be. But when it’s over, it’s over. All of the rest of this incrementalism is not going to work. We are taking baby steps when the professional liars are taking mile-long steps. We will not catch up with this strategy. Don’t believe me? Waiting for grassroots change? Ask Judge Persky how that’s working out. The efforts of this organization are nothing less than astounding and I cannot begin to describe my appreciation. I simply disagree with the application. When the tier scam takes hold….it isn’t going to get better. You have to ask to get let go. How many elected judges do you think are willing to risk their 300K/year jobs, plus benefits, to do the right thing? This entire thing had awesome intentions, but it’s going to backfire. And we should see it coming. Just because you’re allowed to apply for relief doesn’t mean you’re going to get it. Persky got recalled for following the probation report. And then he got fired from his new job because the scumbags won’t let it go. How many judges do you think are going to risk what they have for the lowest forms of scum in the state? Be realistic. This was a good idea. And it’s going to blow up. The message needs to be that registration is not legal. And it needs to go to the Supreme Court. They’re ten miles from perfect, and they have screwed up before. I acknowledge that. But there is a majority of original thinkers in place now. If it’s ever going to happen, it will be with this crew.

    • Gralphr

      At the very least, 10 or 15 years crime free and none should automatically “fall off” the registration requirements. They know fully well one will be on it for decades, petition to get off, only to be told “no, we don’t think you’re ready, try again next year.” The decades they’ve already completed crime free wont mean anything…….

      • Gralphr

        I meant to say all should fall off the registry after 10 or 15 years…….

      • someone who cares

        I agree that it’s better to have a registry where one can come off at some point than being on it for life, BUT, it still does not make it right to have a registry in the first place. After completion of their sentence and probation or parole, the person needs to be free. No other offense is being tracked decades after it occurred. Drug dealers, drunk drivers, murderers, etc are also “dangerous” for our children. So, why are those offenses treated differently? It should be all or none, period. Otherwise, it would be discriminatory toward one group of EX offenders. Abolishing the registry should be the only acceptable way.

    • Concerned Mom

      Matt, I can’t agree with you more. The registry is unconstitutional period. There needs to be a class action suit that goes to the Supreme Court.

      • DJ

        If it were that easy it would be done. A bit about it: the supreme Court doesn’t over rule itself very often. It was only 16 years ago they ruled the registry was constitutional. While things are far different, it will take time.

        Challenges that succeed in SCOTUS, typically sway with the general temperature of the county on the issue. Read the book Engines of Liberty, or at least the summary. David Cole explores some of the most heated issues and how real change happens. It happens when ordinary citizens begin to effect change of hearts and minds on the local level. Typically first in individual states, not at a national level. It usually starts with liberal states who become sympathetic to the issue.

        He looks at major issues such a marriage equality, gun rights (success of NRA), and others. Systematically, state by state they gathered momentum. Change won’t happen overnight, and this movement is still in it’s infancy. We’ve just begun to see some positive signs in the past 24-36 months.

        The law changes from the bottom up, not the top down, and that ordinary people, not judges are the true change agents of our laws.

        Marriage equality and gay rights really took off when people began to “come out” and tell their stories. They were no longer this scary group who was going to destroy the country…they just wanted to live their lives and be happy. Sounds familiar?

        Recent decisions like Michigan are big because it starts the snowball. Once enough lower courts disagree with the Smith v. Doe based on the current climate, the supreme Court will be more likely to revisit.

        At this time the cause isn’t “ripe” enough. It would be foolish to go back at the wrong time and get another negative outcome that could last decades.

        As the book says, it’s a marathon not a Sprint.”. It was built piece by piece and it must be dismantled piece by piece. That’s what ACSOL and others are doing, they’re following the law of historical change in this country, and while it may seem slow, it’s working. We’re getting closer to “the tipping point.”

      • Will Allen

        I don’t know about unconstitutional. But it is useless and stupid. That should be enough for anyone with any sense.

    • dph

      @MATT, hope you listen to the CALL IN Sat (9/21) and give your input.
      2003 SCOTUS did the bad decision, HOW WILL THEY REVISIT?
      Janice & Chance and Friends, The Board.
      Let’s be realistic folks, NOT THAT EAST,
      Janice did say, its really changed since then…worsened.
      and ACSOL…Betterment.
      This ORG has CHANGED LIVES AND WILL CONTINUE!
      gives LIGHT at End of the Tunnel
      She stated does NOT give admission I believe just for cause and effect.
      HANG IN THERE MATT we’re all in this together…and I know OUT OF PATIENCE and most TIME.

  8. Eric

    Janice and Chance you are a true blessing. Not everyone is happy about these events, but we all currently have registry for life. Because of you we see a tiered registry with some hope, and now some modifying of it to give even more hope. This tiered registry is a work in progress. At least with ACSOL and the Tiered registry we have some thing to work toward. Before we had nothing. Thank you, thank you, than you.

    • blake

      bro 30 years might as well be considered your whole life. Dont be happy about it. look at it for what it is. F that petition part also. 10 years max if we cant get rid of the parasite and automatic drop off. and you talk about hope. Do you realize how much people with children have on the line because of the piece of ssssss registry? IF you have children i hope your not ok with any of this. Only time i have hope is when i see people actually getting off not MAYBE 30 years later. KEy word man MAYBE. THey can tell you no dont want to let you off. Sorry to go off but your apparent happiness at 30 years with a maybe kinda got to me.

    • Janice Bellucci

      ACSOL’s presentation to the CA Sex Offender Management Board (CASOMB) does not reflect the ultimate goal of the organization or the movement. Instead, it was a step in the right direction in the form of a request that CASOMB join us in modifying the existing Tiered Registry Law. CASOMB was created by the state legislature and is considered the state’s policy expert on registrant issues. CASOMB makes recommendations to the state legislature and therefore they have an important voice in any future changes. CASOMB is not willing at this time to recommend abolition of the registry, however, they may be willing to request changes to the Tiered Registry Law. There are different methods, including lawsuits, to get to the Tipping Point where elected officials and the public will understand how ineffective and useless registries are to achieve the stated goal of increasing public safety while at the same time harming hundreds of thousands of families in the U.S.

      • blake

        lets be real. Are they ever going to be ok with getting rid of the registry? no. Here in michigan they are trying to pass a bill to create a child abuse registry thats exactly like the sex offender registry. We have to stand our ground and not be ok with what the legislator wants. I do appreciate everything you guys do but at a certain point we gotta be firm with what we want and not budge.

      • blake

        can you explain to me what make someone a registrant expert? Its funny because an expert wouldnt make laws based off emotion but facts and data. Am i wrong? How can anyone be an expert of registrant laws if you have never experianced the hardships of being on the list? How is it constitutinal if my gf and my kids are located on a list?

      • Gralphr

        Janice,

        In no way were any of my rants in this thread meant to belittle the work you and ACSOL have done. You guys have really fought the good fight and continue to do so. My ranting is the rant of a parent who has custody of his kids, who post confinement obtained a degree and has tried time and time again to show his kids the straight path, AND to show them with hard work and honesty, one can be given a second chance at life. I’ve done and continue to do my part, but this vindictive government and society at large refuses to acknowledge I’m a success story post imprisonment. I cant tell you the pains one suffers while trying to raise kids while on the registry. It’s nothing but cruel and unusual punishment for myself and my wife and kids. If I offended you, I apologize.

      • Bryan Miller

        I thought there’s a bill in process to knock it down to 20 years beginning in 2021? I agree with the others….30 is completely pointless.

    • DPH

      DITTO ERIC!

    • Steve

      I totally agree with you! I pray that God blesses all of Janice and her teams efforts. We really have no other hope of relief except for the efforts of the ACSOL and their supporters!

  9. steve

    That is ridiculous you are arguing for a 30 year removal. Based on CASOMB’S own research after 17 years crime free someone’s risk goes waaay down. Why aren’t you arguing that. What aren’t you arguing that every 5 years crime free your static goes down 1/2 a point. When are we going to attack the entire scheme? 30 years your life is screwed and then to old to care.

    • Eric

      Steve, Janice just answered your question before you asked it. Calm down and read it again, then read my comment slowly. This is a work in progress. The tiered registry is not even implemented. It is brand new. So many of you are failing to grasp the significance of this. Were ACSOL to ask for termination of the registry at this point it would not pass and it would hurt future arguments. This must be done carefully and it will take time. In the meantime be the best example of person on the registry you can be so that people who see you put a face of a decent person on those on the registry.

      • blake

        are you even reading your own comments? be the best person you can be? Ya ill be the best person i can be when im homeless and starving because the registry wont let me live where i want. How about parents be the best they can be when they get taken to prison for 4 years away from their children on a technicality? Dude its bullcrap. ITs all bullcrap. I was the best i could be when i was homeless in the middle of a michigan winter because i had no job couldnt find a place to live couldnt live with friends because of where schools were. F that. BE the best you can be when they rip you away from your own house on halloween.

    • New Person

      @ Steve,

      Janice does bring up these facts often throughout the years. The problem isn’t Janice. The problem is CASOMB’s recommendation. CASOMB doesn’t do enough to bring to light Dr. Hanson’s tiered terms (17 years max supervision) or the below 1% recidivism rate. CASOMB’s research is valid, but it isn’t pushed to the forefront b/c there are people on CASOMB that do not like registrants. They fall in-line with the legislators who also do not like registrants.

      Please note how long it has taken to prove living restrictions were unconstitutional in re: Taylor. Even with that case, it only pertained to those on parole. That meant it didn’t specify those not on parole. Janice had to take to task with that as well.

      Janice and team helped protect the immunity provided in Prop 57 for the SO community. CDCR tried to deny Prop 57 benefits to the SO community, but they were ruled void.

      Janice and Chance aren’t a huge contingent with a superfluous amount of resources in finances, lawyers, or research paralegals at their disposal. So they are doing their best. They ultimately want the registry gone. If you want them to continue to do their best or grow as an organization, then this would be the best time to plug donating to ACSOL.

      Let Janice and Chance be your voice by supporting them as ACSOL.

      A note: In recent years, Janice has become qualified to be a lawyer at the Supreme Court level, IIRC. ACSOL has a long game, but it will take time, money, effort, and, most of all, patience. Remember, Jim Crow laws were considered legal once.

  10. steve

    And…nothing brought up about people wit no static 99 score? How do they justify giving someone a new level with no score? No due process? nada?

    • Gralphr

      Exactly. Dont get me wrong, ACSOL has done a lot to help people, which is highly appreciated. I just don’t know why they would tell the board 30 years. Theyre essentially asking for people to get off the registry once their too old to really apply themselves. While I’ve had steady employment, I cant tell you the amount of times in the past where I lost out on a job or apartment due to being on the registry. I actually had people in Georgia tell me they would let my wife and I rent an apartment in Georgia, due to the conviction being two decades old, and the fact I’ve been out crime free for 13 years, but due to myself still being listed on the registry, they couldn’t allow us (mind you we have kids in our home). Dont our short stay in Georgia, I also was selected for a good job there (had a offer letter, and a start date, it was the very reason why we moved there), only to be told they eventually saw I was on the registry and had to rescind the offer letter. Their basically saying people should have to put up with injustices like that for 30 YEARS!!!! If they need someone to come with them to these boards, I’m more than willing to go and tell my story. Post confinement over a decade crime free, obtained a Bachelors degree, plenty of offer letters that were eventually rescinded due to the registry, still managed to obtain jobs to take care of my children, yet still considered “dangerous”. I’ve lived in states that required me registering 4 times a year and once a year, and I’ve always been complaint. What I’ve written is why I’m flabbergasted why 30 years came up as a acceptable time limit. In 30 years I will have raised a family to adulthood AND possibly have grandchildren, all the while staying crime free and doing what I can to make an honest living, yet I “may” still be dangerous and need to stay on a registry, with no proof of being dangerous whatsoever other than a conviction from at that time FOURTY YEARS ago! The majority of those years, having lived out in public, trying to make something of myself none the less. Its boggles the mind………… (basically convicted in my early 20s and possibly told in my 60s I’m probably not dangerous anymore………….)

      • Gralphr

        I meant to say compliant, not complaint. Once I get too engrossed in something so important I tend to just type away without thinking……..

        • AERO1

          Registering as a sex offenders is a lifetime requirement so when your 60 or 70 years old being removed from the registry is very detrimental to your mental and physical health.. At least in 30 years you can die in peace because guaranteed one day you’re going to be too old to take care of yourself and because you’re a sex offender your family members probably will not be able to take care of you either and You will end up in one of those old folks homes or maybe criminal Hospital/psych ward and those nurses will know your a registered sex offender and they will treat you like shitt ..So not only did you spend all your youth living in this hell now your old still living in this hell and please don’t get it misconstrued being a registered sex offender is hell on earth.. So be thankful somebody’s trying to fight for you to have peace in your old age so you can be around your grandkids in your old age ..So stop complaining and be thankful there’s people like Janice Bellucci out there fighting these unjust laws and making a difference… The registry is a working progress slow steps baby steps so think about the big picture and just be happy there’s some kind of hope for your future

  11. kat

    Perhaps someone needs to do some research on how the stress of being on the registry takes years off your life.
    While the idea of being able to get off the registry after 10, 20, 30 years is wonderful compared to being on it for a lifetime….how many registrants will die from the stress of the registry and all it’s side effects, before they even become eligible to come off of it?

    • Gralphr

      I fully agree. Theres no way I can be thankful for possibly getting off when I’m in my 60s. It’s practically a lifetime of being held back, while other people who are considered dangerous continue to live their lives. Even the man who killed my father in cold blood is out on the streets today and doesnt have to register for anything. I have the ability to petition in Indiana to get off the registry there, which I’ll try. If that doesn’t work, my wife and I will look into moving out of the country. I’m at the point of hating everything about this country and the majority of its people due to its insisting I be treated worse than an illegal, forever shunned, forever denied any dignity. I really hate to leave my extended family behind, but my family and myself comes first.

    • Facts should matter

      I actually think THAT is the sick and desired intent of Megan’s Law. They want to run down the clock on us. This law gives them possession of the ball, it’s the end of the 4th and they’ll kneeling on every play to run down the 2 minute warning. They can’t kill us, so this is the next best option they’re currently getting away with.

      It’s blatantly obvious it’s all about revenge and hate.

      • Kero Dresden

        Look evidence does not matter, facts do not matter… the only thing that really matters is the money they can make off you by sending you to prison. if these things mattered the AEDPA { https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAbIqwJgUkQ } would matter, and IAC would also matter. But the constitution matter very little when it comes to SO’s. Jurors at dismissed form being jurors because they will not convict people without evidence. Some of SO’s pental codes in Ca. need zero evidence and are almost unbeatable what it comes down too is if they can scare you, your family, and friends enough to make you take a plea deal. In my own case they threaten my family for weeks… the law and constitutuin has no place for SO’s…

  12. Political Prisoner

    I am happy that Cp was brought up but I truly believe any NON-Victim offence ( police sting) should be a tier 1, as well a being automatically remove when then time period is reached.

    • Politicalposition

      Technically speaking every offense has a victim… I mean the person in the picture is a victim… even if they took it themselves.

    • GovtwouldSay

      Every crime has a victim even CP. As in the person in the picture, even if they took it themselves, is the victim. They were coerced into taking (by someone, not you) and then the trust was betrayed with it being posted online.

      • norman

        ok..so if i look at said picture anonymously and dont distribute to anyone how am I victimizing the “person in the picture, even if they took it themselves”?

        • Eric

          @ Norman…c’mon man, economics 101. It is supply and demand. No, you yourself didn’t victimize anyone, but the internet has created a huge demand for the images and therefore others are exploiting children to meet that demand.

        • Will Allen

          You likely aren’t in any way. You only would be if whomever was in the picture did not release it to the general public and doesn’t want people looking at it. It is the same with an adult or a child. Makes no difference.

          And there is no damage if you didn’t contribute to the demand in some way.

        • @eric

          I understand what you are saying but If I (and many others like me) am anonymous, not communicating, not purchasing and not sharing how am I (we) creating a demand?

          norman..Lifetime Registrant Tier 3

      • MS

        You sound like LE. Sounds exactly like something the government would say, GovtwouldSay. You’re basing your statement on numerous assumptions. Minors have been having sex for thousands of years so it’s obvious hormones are in the blood before the age of 18. To think that any minor that takes a naked pic of themselves had to have been coerced is incredibly naive. Not every person that takes a picture, involving nudity or not, sexually charged or not, was coerced into doing so. Ever heard of kids doing thoughtless and stupid things? Kids will do a lot of things to simply fit in, to “look” cool, whatever.

        Invite you to do some google searches and you can find numerous examples of CP arrests where minors were arrested for possessing and sometimes even production and distribution of CP and nobody was making them do it. I read of one girl that was charged for production, possession, and distribution of CP after she took provocative pictures of herself in her underwear and sent them to her boyfriend at that time. Who victimized her? Read one article where a man was arrested for CP for drawing pictures (yes drawing) of naked children.

        In some CP cases, happening more and more, the only victims are the children that get arrested for CP (pictures of themselves, their girlfriends, etc) and spend the rest of their life on the registry. Has gotten to the point that any form of nudity involving a minor is deemed pornographic by the government.

      • AJ

        @GovtwouldSay:
        Let’s take your premise to its full conclusion. 1) The person who takes the picture is the offender. 2) The person who posts it online is the offender. 3) The person in the photo is the victim. 4) The person whose picture is posted online is the victim.

        Under that logic, a teen who takes a selfie and posts it online is offending against himself/herself. According to you, they betrayed their own trust.

        Please explain how the person is both the offender and the offended. Please explain how one can self-vicitimize.

    • Ana

      You mean non- CONTACT sexual offense. I won’t argue whether or not CP has victims, which in my opinion, it generally does. Regardless, CP is wrong as sexualizing children as an adult is inappropiate.

      • AJ

        @Ana & @Politicalposition:
        You both apparently misread what @Political Prisoner wrote. The statement was about government stings, NOT about CP in any manner. The government sting I expect s/he refers to is where a TBL pretends to be a minor (the supposed victim) and snares someone. In this situation, there is no victim, thus it’s a non-victim offense. There is an offender, but the crime is against the State, not the State and Little Susie or Little Bobby.

  13. Agamemnon

    To everyone complaining these recommendations aren’t enough (i.e. “There shouldn’t be a registry at all”):

    This tiered registry and the recommendations of ACSOL aren’t meant to be a final solution, just a step in the right direction.

    • Janice Bellucci

      Thank you, Agamemnon, for understanding that our presentation to CASOMB was a step in the right direction, not a final solution. We started it with an incremental approach aimed at Halloween signs and proximity restrictions (parks, beaches, libraries, etc.) and keep chipping away until the system collapses due to its own weight and bad choices. We will ultimately reach The Tipping Point at which time legislators and more importantly the public will realize the errors of their ways and seek ways to correct their past behavior. I live for that day.

  14. USA

    Great statements and views. I don’t think the registry will just disappear, but things can change. We would still be (can you even imagine) be banned from parks and beaches if Janice didn’t exist! The tiered (not perfect) offers hope and people will get off. Steve, thanks for your support. I’ve contacted both the sex offender board and a few attorneys. Getting your charged reduced to a misdemeanor will for all intense purposes make it a misdemeanor. Nobody seems to (not that it matters) know how expungement will affect you? I suggest everyone remain positive and 2020 will be an important year to address the new impending tiered law! Don’t get arrested!

    • dph

      2021 @USA,
      July 1st half way through the new year for the following to your 2020….HOPE is coming,
      @Agamemnon, well said too.

  15. James Weller

    I know that what I am about to say may not interest many of you concerend with Tier 3 issues. At this time, I support ACSOL’s position in this matter. However, I am concerned with the data CA Department of Justice reported regarding the total number of registrants in the state. I am concerned that the information/data is as a matter of fact flawed regarding transient and non-transient registrants. Specifically, the Ukiah Police Department (UPD) mandates that those registrants living in motels be treat as transients, and required to register every month. Yet UPD will check the “annual registration” and not a “transient registration”. According to P.C. 290, motels are “residencies”, therefore for making registrants who live there “Transient” and forced them to re-register monthly rather than annually; yet identify their registration as an annual, should at the very least falsification of documents, and therefore illegal. UPD will inform those living in the motel/hotel that the reason for identifying their registration as an annual every month, is so that the registration is updated and in compliance…. What? Are the serious? We live registration, and we all know our obligations. I live in a house which is also classified as a residence, just as a motel, but I only re-register once a year, when my 290 friends in Ukiah, who live in motels are required to register one a month. This may not seem important to some, but for those who are being treated different it is a lot… Even within Mendocino COUnty, the same county UPD is located, the Sheriff’s department is different than UPD. Moreover, legal statical information is gathered from these registration documents, and any law enforcement agency manipulating that information and/or data is violating the law. And, that inaccurate information is being delivered to the DOJ, who in turn provides to law makers and those depending upon the accuracy of that information. While I am no longer on parole, I do spend time with helping 290 parolees deal with life as a registrant on parole, and it is deeply concerning that statical numbers are being tossed around as factual, when here on the “front lines” evidence exists that these numbers cannot even be close to accurate. If UPD can, adn does manipulate their registration process and data, chances are other law enforcement agencies, probation and state parole manipulating their process and data. Personally, as a registrant, I believe that since DOJ is tasked with ,maintaining Sex Offender Registry for the State of California, along with maintaining the accuracy of that information, the DOJ should send its own investigators out into the field, on a unscheduled “surprise” audit of all agencies providing DOJ with registrant information and “literally verifying” the data they are providing.

    • R M

      Yes, data is manipulated. It is manipulated for their own benefit. Even dead people are still registered in some states. People now living in a different state or country are still kept on certain previous states registries. More registrants “in numbers” means more funding. It sucks.

  16. Cool CA RC

    problem is that the Legislator usually does NOT listen to CASOMB..

    CASOMB did push for. years to get the Tiered Registry Law passed. It didn’t pass until couple years ago.

  17. Left it behind

    For all of you worried about reaching your 60s and still suffering the penalties of the registry, you should be!
    I am 58 and under the new proposal would be eligible for removal @ 63. My occupation doesn’t lend itself to the “old”.
    For that reason ( as well as many others!) I decided that I was not going to wither away in a place that had already discarded me. I did everything I could and suceeded,with the help of friends, in getting out of the U.S.
    I highly recommend to those of you that have concerns about your future, begin looking now into moving to a friendlier environment. There are jobs in many countries that hire foriegners. It requires effort, but the alternative is a life of insecurity and social abuse.
    I don’t come to this site now(I have left this life behind), but recieved an email about a mtg, and decided to respond. I hope the tiered registry suggestions are taken, so that if I decide to return sometime, I can do so as a “unmarked” man.

    Thx

    • Gralphr

      Yes, Its a shame you were pretty much forced out of the country just to have a basic life. I too am looking into the possibility of moving overseas, but it will probably be harder since I’m married with children. (my wife is willing to move the whole family overseas If I could land a decent job somewhere). She has seen firsthand the amount of times after getting my degree, and being offered jobs, only for the offer to be rescinded once if was discovered I’m on the registry. I’ve actually worked at some world famous companies, and nothing I’ve accomplished for over a decade has resulted in me not being considered a danger. I’ve lost all faith in America, and the majority of its citizens.

    • Gralphr

      I’m wondering if anyone has tried applying for political asylum in the Netherlands. Many of their reasons for granting asylum easily applies to anyone on the registry, such as:

      People are granted asylum if they are at risk of being subjected to torture, or inhuman or degrading treatment.

      You have real reasons to fear the death penalty or execution, torture or other inhuman or humiliating treatment in your country of origin.

      In your country of origin, you have real reasons to fear persecution because of your race, religion, nationality, political convictions or because you belong to a particular social group (sex offenders in the Us is doubtless a social group).

      You have real reasons to fear that you will be a victim of random violence due to an armed conflict in your country of origin. (name listed in a registry with address and picture, allowing anyone to come and attack you).

      If things dont get better within the next yer, I may have to seriously look into this. At least I could tell them my conviction is over two decades old and I’ve been “free” almost a decade and a half, crime free, but still harassed and discriminated against.

    • Bill

      @Left it behind

      Which countries have you found that are friendlier to American RSO’s so far?

  18. Facts should matter

    This was like asking Satan in Hell to lower the temperature and him begrudging agreeing to, but only from 1000 degrees to 999 degrees. In other words, while intentions were good, the predictable outcome doesn’t move the needle for all.

    The registry proponents will always whine “it’s all we have” or “it’s not perfect.” Until we can effectively counter their inauthentic claim about the registry being a “public safety tool,” we’re just spinning our wheels.

  19. Dph

    WELL STATED ERIC! Bravo,
    we are all mad and impatient,
    but it won’t get us anywhere-…
    except taking that energy from the dissapointed and angered while frustrated
    *I just lost my own battle with SB145* awaited x3 decades for that*
    and SHOW UP STAND UP AND SPEAK UP IN SACRAMENTO!
    Steve, so many are feeling alike YOU.

  20. USA

    Nice to read both sincere, serious and thoughtful comments.

  21. American Detained in America

    So ACSOL is OK with me staying Tier 3 in spite of having no real person as a victim…way to go ACSOL, I see you really have my back! THIS is why I said from the start that the tiered registry was not something we should support.

    • R M

      And what have you American Detained in America done to help you? Do you have a “end all registries” solution?

      • American Detained in America

        As long as politicians are able to convince the general public that registries are necessary to keep their families safe from “predators,” there isn’t going to be an “end all registries” solution. My point was simply that CP wasn’t the only thing moved from Tier 1 to Tier 3 at the last minute, and yet that seems to be the only thing they are trying to get moved back out of Tier 3.

    • AJ

      @American Detained in America
      “So ACSOL is OK with me staying Tier 3 in spite of having no real person as a victim…way to go ACSOL, I see you really have my back!”
      —–
      Right, because you’d be so much better off if they hadn’t sued here and there on RCs’ behalf.
      =====

      “THIS is why I said from the start that the tiered registry was not something we should support.”
      —–
      Outside of a Snyder-like ruling, there will not be any quick fix to registry laws. The administrative route has to go slowly, as that’s the only way bureaucracies–and society as a whole–can tolerate or be willing to try something less restrictive. If you think ANY governmental entity outside the judicial branch is going to make wholesale improvements to, let alone abolish, registries, you’re deluded.

      • Janice Bellucci

        @Aj – I am so very tired explaining but will explain once again that ACSOL will continue to lobby the state legislature in order to modify the Tiered Registry. We are NOT satisfied with the current language in that law and we will work tirelessly to improve it. Having said that there are limited opportunities to do so due to the legislative calendar and a few committee leaders who block our attempts. Further, our legislative efforts are one part of a multi-part effort that includes litigation as well as education. An essential part of our success is participation of registrants and their loved ones. We need ALL to participate in lobbying efforts including letters, phone calls and participating in committee hearings. We need ALL to contribute financially so that we can increase our litigation efforts. We need ALL to educate themselves about the facts regarding re-offense rates such as the rate of re-offense while on parole is less than 1 percent. Finally, we need ALL to remain compliant to prevent another attack like that upon
        Megan Kanka, Chelsea King and Jacob Wetterling.

        • Will Allen

          @Janice Bellucci:

          I would be tired as well. But you are a great person for doing this work and I really, really hope you are feeling the rewards that you deserve for it.

          Almost worse, if I were the ACLU in Michigan and trying to deal with all of the people calling them, etc., about the work there, I certainly would not have the patience to respond all the time. I think the answer for them and ACSOL is to just put some statements/status/whatever on your website and ask people to read them. If people ask questions about something, just direct them to that location. Over and over and over and over again, as needed. You’ve got to save yourselves time and effort so you can focus on important things (like court!).

          All that aside, your last sentence doesn’t make any sense to me regarding Kanka and Wetterling. I expect it doesn’t make any sense with respect to King either but I’d have to re-familiarize myself with that case.

        • AJ

          @Janice Bellucci:
          “I am so very tired explaining but will explain once again that ACSOL will continue to lobby the state legislature in order to modify the Tiered Registry. We are NOT satisfied with the current language in that law and we will work tirelessly to improve it.”
          —–
          I hope and trust you addressed me directly only as a tag-on response to what I wrote to @American Detained in America. I fully get what you’re doing and why. I fully get culture changes slowly (and you either change it or it changes you). I get that expecting any huge leaps from a non-judicial governmental body is mostly a pipe dream. I get just the fact that the Legislature and Governor approved *any* tiering to replace lifetime-for-all *was* a huge leap. I get that once the law is in place, the long-term goal is to massage it if and as one can.

          In short, I get–and fully support–what you’re doing, Janice. And I live well east of the Rockies! Even so, your tireless and woefully underappreciated efforts are indeed VERY appreciated by this soul. Thank you, ma’am, for all past, present, and future efforts.

          Finally, I fully get why you’re tired of explaining the tactics and strategy you’re employing. I’m tired of hearing the grousing too. Sadly, the old adage is right: no good deed goes unpunished. How dare you do such selfless, disfavored work for people you’ll never meet or know…

  22. Wilber

    Tiered REGISTRY is a Baaaad idea, and the Law is getting and will get worse, because Laws do not change for better playing there game there way !
    Allll the people have to Completely and Utterly go against ALL the Rules, Laws, Policies , Proceedures with Very Powerful Ideas, and System and new Models for x Convicts and A RESISTANCE MUST BE ESTABLISHED…. OK WILL NOT GO TO FAR TODAY ..

  23. Wayne

    I check this site from time to time just to see if there is any progress on changes to the fast approaching tiered registry and I see that a presentation for changes was made recently to CASOMB. I’m 64 years old, soon to be 65, and I’ve been on the registry for 28 years and will be tier 3 when the law starts in 2021; but I’ll also have 30 years on the registry with no additional sex offenses; in fact, I’ve been a model citizen, earning one A.A. degree and two A.S. degrees and I’m 36 units away from earning a B.A. degree in Social Science.
    I like everything Gralphr wrote because he’s absolutely correct to say it doesn’t take 30 years to show you’ve changed. Ten, fifteen, or twenty years is long enough to show you can be a good citizen. The only thing I don’t agree with Gralphr about is the belief that it’s almost pointless to be removed from the registry when you’re in your 50’s, 60’s, or 70’s. All of us know that being on the registry has a high cost from the very first day you’re put on it and it’s a constant struggle to support yourself and keep a roof over your head everyday. And if you’re not already in a relationship you fear starting one because the internet makes it too easy for people to do a simple search and your picture pops up with the label, “Sex Offender” under it and that relationship is over before it starts. And if you’re already in a relationship when you get put on the registry it becomes complicated unless you’re fortunate enough to have a partner who really cares about you. The point I’m making is that when you’ve suffered those things for your entire adult life because of a single mistake, and you are fortunate enough to survive into your later years, trust me when I tell you that you will have spent every single day of every one of those years dreaming about how it would feel not to have that sex offender label plastered across your forehead. So I feel what you’re saying about everything else you said Gralphr, and you said it well, but if I’m alive in 2021, and the law allows me to petition for release, I’ll be the first in line with all my documented proof to show that I deserve to be released. And if I am successful, and have even one day off that damn registry and died the next day, I would die a happy man.
    The registry ruins lives!

    • AREO1

      Hope everybody reads your comment and really takes it to heart and stop complaining contribute and help the ACSOL fight these unjust laws

  24. Richard

    What about automatically dropping off after the allotted time has expired without filling the court system even more than it already is? Plus, depending on where you reside, you may or may not have a fair decision. So, even though you qualify to be removed, the DA and the court may say NO WAY on Orange County and HELL YEAH in Los Angeles. That would really be a good thing to fight for so it is even for everyone regardless of where you live.

    • Wayne

      I’ll take it any way it comes. Dropping off automatically works. I’ll go a step further and say what another writer said; if you commit a sex offense, you should serve your time, then go on with your life free from any other punishment the way a convicted thief or murderer does. Being placed on a publicly available registry after serving your time is wrong! But speaking hypothetically, if I’m alive in 2021, and the law allows me to petition for release, I’ll be the first in line with all my documented proof to show that I deserve to be released. And if I am successful, and have even one day off that damn registry and died the next day, I would die a happy man.
      But who knows – Janice and company may just be able to get a more fair system that will allow me to automatically drop off at 30 years. They’re not finished fighting yet. I’ll keep checking this site for updates while I keep working on my B.A. degree.
      To any one of you having difficulty finding and maintaining employment – even a sex offender can enroll in the local community college and receive financial student aid, and student loans. But you must do the work! Do not enroll, take the money, and not follow through. And it’s up to you to decide if, and how much information you give about your offense.
      You didn’t get that information from me.

  25. TS

    Automatically dropping off at the end of your time is a logical conclusion for this situation much like other situations legally are when you’re at the end of that time. The only problem of it is the mindset of people to ensure in their minds people are safe enough to come off. It’s just a discriminator and a bar that has to be met. In no way am I saying that that should be the situation because I believe in automatic drop off should be the marker which is met.

    If we apply the same principle to everyone who had a traffic infraction go off of their record, then the court would be backed up to no end. That may be the way to do it though because a human is still in the equation for a traffic infraction because a vehicle can’t do anything by itself without a human interacting with it. Get your elected officials to put in assessments of traffic history before dropping off any sort of traffic infraction.

    Traffic infractions in this posting is just one example but you certainly can apply it to those law violations which are much worse, such as murder. work to make the situation in the environment were so people actually can take a look at it from reasonable standpoint hopefully.

  26. Drew

    @Janice, you’ve got to work on getting Sexual Battery off of Tier 3 too. I believe that’s 243.4(A).
    That one just doesn’t make sense. Getting that moved to Tier 2 will allow me to get off the registry finally.

    • Janice Bellucci

      @Drew – Yes, moving sexual battery from Tier 3 to Tier 2 is part of our lobbying effort to “fix” the Tiered Registry.

    • AJ

      @Drew:
      “Janice, you’ve got to work on getting Sexual Battery off of Tier 3 too.”
      —–
      Just out of curiosity, don’t you also have a role in working on this? I’m sure your legislators’ contact info is publicly available. I’m sure the Governor’s contact info is publicly available. You and others need to speak up! Frankly, Janice doesn’t “have to ” get to work on ANY of this for you, me, or anyone else.

      While I get what you were trying to say, demanding work out of someone charitably acting on your behalf is not the proper approach. Perhaps, “Janice, is ACSOL also looking into getting Sexual Battery of Tier 3? I would appreciate that, as it would aid in my eventual removal.”

      @All: Stop demanding Janice and/or ACSOL do this, that, or the other for you. Have some humility, give some thanks, and hop in to help if, as, and when you can. Just in case someone says I should do likewise, I’ll say yet again that I am well east of the Rockies, so I have no (direct) dog in the CA fight. However, any and every success in CA or anywhere else will help build case law and change public opinion, meaning the CA fight does in some way help me. But, to answer that possible retort: I give money. Not regularly and not huge amounts. But I give if, as, and when I can. Janice does, so why shouldn’t I (and you)?

      • TS

        Add to @AJ statement:

        Don’t wait until called when needed. You can respectfully flood the elected officials with info at any time from every family member, as a family group, or other. You can also appeal to them for help. They may decline but you can speak up at anytime.

  27. Janice Bellucci

    @AJ – Thank you for you kind words! One of the things that surprises me about this website is that so few people who will benefit from the Tiered Registry Law speak up. We believe that at least 70 percent of the people who are currently on the registry will be eligible to petition for removal. That is at least 70,000 people! Where are you 70,000 people? We need you to SPEAK UP and to express your support for a law that will provide you with an opportunity to be removed from the registry as early as 2021. If you don’t speak up, we will keep hearing only from those who have not yet earned the opportunity you will soon be given. In addition, we urge you to help those expected to be assigned to Tier 3 by joining ACSOL’s lobbying efforts in 2020 and beyond. As we join together, we will be able to help those on Tier 3 descend to a lower tier so that they too can leave the registry. And if you do join ACSOL’s lobbying efforts, we promise that your voices will be heard and you will feel empowered.

    • Harry

      Janice, the issue of not getting the 70,000 to speak-up and I for one, is we do not know where goal post is and if, we think we know where goal post is will be there when we get there? Also, many of us have lost hope of ever getting off the registry and in a drift until we die and there are going to be some will be dead before 2021. At least I want express my gratitude to you and your team for the work you’ve done, in this area.

    • Interested Party

      As it currently stands I believe that I will benefit from the tiered registry when it goes into affect and the actual process gets fleshed out.

      That said, there are a number groups such as CP offenses whose lives will be negatively affected once it goes into affect.

      Until the law gets implemented attacking the law or defending it is a bit pointless. I understand those who have decided/believed that the tiered law will only make things worse.

      Personally believe/have hope that the the tiered registry will be a significant improvement for many people including me.

      Any opportunity to allow RCs a chance of the registry is a huge victory for RCs. I wish that the tiered registry was better constructed but I believe this is a major step forward and it will allow an easier path for future changes. I may be wrong, but rewind 3-4 years ago and no one believed the tiered registry would ever happen …. let things play out and hold on to hope.

      Thank you ACSOL

  28. USA

    Drew/Janice, great point. Drew, can’t you get your PC 243.4 (a) reduced to a misdemeanor or expunged? If I’m not mistaken, getting the charge reduced to a misdemeanor should get your charged moved from Tier 3 to 1? Please advise

  29. USA

    Last question. I’ve never read any discussions regarding this. How will a PC 17 B or PC 1203.4 affect your tier on SB 384. The difference (Drew) between a Felony Sexual Battery and misdemeanor is the difference between being a Tier 1 & Tier 3? Janice? Drew?

  30. Actually...

    The main point should be that the Static-99R, by its own “developers'” admission, is only valid for two years after a person’s release into the community.

    Those Static-99R tables that claim to “estimate” recidivism five, 10, 15 years out are estimates from a person’s release into the community. Even the risk factors that determine one’s score are determined from a person’s release into the community and cannot change. Hence, logically, why the static is not a dynamic test! The Static-99R implies that things like current age, increased education, maturity, employment, and housing do nothing to reduce risk. This is absolute nonsense and is why the Static-99R is an absolute scam.

    The Static-99R is grossly being misrepresented by “experts,” politicians, and even our very own advocates for something it is not.

    • K

      Isn’t the “years out” in the community measurement considered dyamic?

      • Static-99R Is *Static*

        The Static-99R is a snapshot of unchangeable “risk factors” collected at the time of one’s release. And based on said risk factors, the Static-99R claims to estimate “risk” *from time of release.* Hence, why the Static-99R is only valid for about two years after the score is calculated. And the fact that the Static-99R is *NOT* a dynamic assessment is literally in its name: STATIC.

        The Static-99R lumps all types of offenses, regardless of severity, into its sample. In calculating the “static” score, zero consideration is given to severity of offense(s), current age of the offender, and ethnicity of the offender. Furthermore, like mentioned above no weight is given to how much education an offender has earned since release into the community, maturity, employment, and stable housing. Even treatment is ignored by the Static-99R.

        No. The Static-99R is not dynamic. It is an estimate of a person’s “risk,” albeit based on a sample consisting of varying severity of offenses (so what exactly is it measuring?), from a person’s release into the community.

        Then add to it, the shameful conflicts of interests and non-transparent samples and methodology of the Static-99R.

  31. j

    is there a way, is it possible to reduce a felony to a misdemeanor after a person completes his/her registration? and is eligible to petition after 20 years? and crime free *only time getting in trouble*?

  32. USA

    J
    Yes! It depends if you went to prison or county jail? You can reduce certain sex offenses to misdemeanors

  33. Concerned Citizen

    There is a major issue with the tiered registry as it stands. Many registrants believe they will be easily removed from the registry once their time is up. This is by no means the case. The law requires registrants to petition for removal. In other words, the Tiered Registry just means “you can ask.” But the answer may still be no, because it is up to local courts and DAs if the answer is yes or no. There’s no telling how long it will take these cases to move through the courts once filed. If denied, I believe there is a waiting period to reapply? So, if you get a judge who’s been annoyed before lunch, or an aggressive DA with a silver tongue, or perhaps your case is heard during a spell of trouble in the community, and well, you’ve gone from 10 years to 12 or more on that basis alone.

    That isn’t all. Money will be an issue because you will need an attorney. In addition to filing, you will also have to get letters, tests and assessments, and all the hoops you need to show you aren’t a danger to others.

    I fear many people will be paying thousands of dollars, perhaps ten or more, just to gamble on the chance to be removed.

    The current law is too discretionary, and the board needs to set clear standards which make it easy to obtain removal, if it will not make it automatic.

    I appreciate correction to this comment, if I am mistaken.

    • Gralphr

      Exactly. I can petition in Indiana, but a lawyer there said it would be at least 5k for his services, then another 5k for a psychiatrist, and there would be no guarantee I’d win. No thank you, I’m currently working on moving my family to Europe.

    • Will Allen

      Yep, there should not be any petitioning at all. It should simply be if you meet criteria x, y, and z, you are removed from the Registries. Because otherwise, it’s just a bunch of stupidity to keep people employed and making $$$. They’ll be no sense to it.

      All people who are listed on the Registries and petitioning to be removed should not hire an attorney, psychiatrists, or anyone else. They should present no evidence at all. That should be the norm and status quo. Once courts see that is how every single person is going to do it, perhaps they will simply start rubber stamping them, ABSENT of any ACTUAL contrary evidence provided by the criminal regime. That is how it should be anyway. The burden should be on the criminal regime.

      This is how all Registered People should stick together, for a change.

      These Tiers (in CA and elsewhere) are not good. They give an illusion that Registries make sense and are acceptable. They give an illusion that they are “working” in an intelligent fashion and targeting the “worst of the worst”. None of that is true. And while they are doing that, they will take the number of people who are Registered from around 1M to maybe say 300K. OF COURSE that is great for 700K people. But it is not good for the remaining 300K. And to be clear, I don’t expect to be among the 300K, but I’ve seen how people stop fighting once they aren’t personally listed any longer.

      Hell, there have even been “people” on this web site who think Registries are just fine as long as they are not listed themselves!!! I’m more interested in targeting THOSE people than I would be the remaining 300K on the Registries. THOSE are the “people” who I don’t want to live around me or even in my country.

      I’m not saying it was wrong for ACSOL to advocate for tiers. I believe they are always trying to do great things and do what they think is best. I’m just saying some part of “tiers” is really, really bad. And that everyone should stick together and stop allowing these criminal regimes to force people to spend tens of thousands of dollars pretending that any of it is legitimate.

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