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Here’s an article on organized LE harassment: https://www.walb.com/2020/08/19/law-enforcement-makes-arrests-after-sumter-co-sex-offender-operation/ The multi-agency LEOs look ridiculous in the photo. Do they really need to dress up like paramilitary SWAT just to verify addresses?? My mail carrier verifies my address every day, and he doesn’t wear SWAT gear – in fact, in hot weather, he wears shorts and a sun hat! And, shockingly, he does not carry a gun! I guess these guys would don riot gear to hand out traffic citations! And should they be congratulated for 77% success? I believe that’s a solid C grade. Despite the significant multi-agency involvement, they only… Read more »

“The agency said at the beginning of the operation, there were 106 sex offenders. Of those offenders, four were absconders.”

OH MY! 3.7% are absconders. Yep, that’s Frightening and High indeed! [sarcasm]
Hey, Justice Roberts, how’s your head doing??? Effing Jackass!!!

@ G4Change: I think you misunderstood. Absconders means they failed to keep their registration up-to-date and disappeared. That is NOT the same as recidivism (which typically refers to being charged with a new sex offense). No, that article said nothing at all about recidivism rates. The author was probably afraid to note how exceptionally low those rates, in fact, are. (BTW, there was no place to leave a comment, so I sent an email voicing my opinion directly to the author.)

Absconded? Where they under the supervision of probation or parole?

If not they didn’t abscond from anything.

@ David I totally understand the difference, and my sarcasm was definitely not pointed at you. Like you and the rest of us, I’m just sick and tired of these stupid headline grabbers wasting our tax dollars all for 3.7% of people not keeping their registration updated. Yes, I know the stupid “Frightening and High” comment made by the Supreme Idiots has to do with sexual recidivism. However, my dry sarcasm runs on overdrive most of the time, and I figured I’d portray their “Frightening and High” remark as being pretty much commutative with any aspect of Registered Citizens including… Read more »

Awesome that you contacted the author. If the article allowed comments, I would have made one.

If the author had mentioned low recidivism rates, it no doubt would have been attributed to the Registries and the heroes in the picture.

It is great that there is no real crime there so they are able to have law enforcement do paper pushing jobs just for propaganda.

@JohnDoeUtah (August 19, 2020):

I think I missed your point. A person can abscond from the Registries. In Georgia, if a person does, they will call the person an absconder and will put the exact text “ABSCONDER” in their online listing.

Personally, I celebrate absconders. The more, the better. I’d like to see 100% abscond.

@Will Allen, by definition absconding would have to be intentional and with intent to hide. You haven’t really absconded if you aren’t actually hiding from anyone even if you failed to register a new address. Sure some that they claim absconded may have by definition absconded but probably not all. That said, if you could get close to 100% abscond or non compliance rate at the same time it would be interesting to see what they could even do about it. It would be a tough job to round up a million people all at once.

@ C4Change: 👍 No worries – we’re good. You nailed it: “sick and tired of these stupid headline grabbers wasting our tax dollars”! (As Registered second class citizens, we really shouldn’t have to pay taxes at all! My new chant: “No freedom! No tax!”

They don’t appear to be dressed in outlandish gear. I don’t blame them for wearing bullet proof vests. I expect some of the people they were harassing are on probation or parole and protection is likely standard for that. I really hope that people doing “compliance checks” are in danger of being shot. It is deserved. So I don’t blame them for wearing protection. The annoying part of this is that likely a lot of those 82 verified are not on probation or parole. Those people shouldn’t allow dangerous people like this to get near them. But people keep allowing… Read more »

@ Will Allen: Protective gear needed? Really? When was the last time any LEO was injured doing an RSO compliance check/address verification?? Let’s compare that to the many times that RSOs have been assaulted, attacked, injured, killed or otherwise the victim of vigilante hate and media-stoked mob rage? 🤔
(Maybe I need a nice Portland vacation.🤔)

So whatever happened with remote registration? Is that no longer a thing and we all have to register onsite? I just learned that Martinez, CA (Contra Costa County) is requiring in-person registration. When I informed the desk clerk about the executive order, she said, “nope, not in our jurisdiction.”

Tell them you think you had Covid a week ago, but your feeling better. If they ask for proof tell them you were never tested because you didn’t want to end up on some kind of registry.

Yes stepping up is always good. To many down in the mouth people complaining and giving their views about this type of impossible situation. Some of you all have came out of prison on this, some seem down, with shattered dreams and some of you women are just as perplexed and upset at all this allso. Sure we could talk about Moses being a murderer, David having a relationship and other things in the old testament that some take for grant but never give up on one’s liberty. True Justice is always good. This quote is from the http://www.safervirginia.org and… Read more »

I am wondering at what point , due to public registries, the conspiracy group ‘Q-Anon’ becomes a viable threat to persons listed. The registry has proven to be a source for those meaning to do harm, as well as a conduit between anti-whatever groups to bond over a common cause, and that is to inflict harm on registrants. I have read accounts of different people across the country sharing info about registrants in other locations order to create a network of registrant harassment. With the current administration basically giving blessing to this particular radical group and their warped belief system,… Read more »

Please adat, DON’T GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS

On general comments we seem to acheive many different view’s. While I can fathom on here that many may like my view’s and dislike these view’s we all want to try to seek some closure to help all those that are wrapped up in this registry ordeal via computer or other means.

This will be my last posting using the wisdom of Solomon and I believe this posting can make understanding of this ordeal we are conjolte in. These ordeals are like a mockery of justice in many ways at times.

https://letgodbetrue.com/proverbs/index/chapter-21/proverbs-21-2/

Yet another example of hypocrisy in government, and by extension society. Rep Ayanna Pressley’s husband spent 10 yrs in Prison for drug trafficking, yet has been welcomed with open arms back into the Boston community. Anthony Weiner messaged a young woman and was only sentenced to (I think ) 2 yrs. He has been ostracized from his community. Neither offense is acceptable and requires an adult time out. But weighing the judicial judgement on each, seems the drug trafficker should be looked on as a much more serious offense. Yet not in public’s eye. Even with this man possibly getting… Read more »

If the registry was just administrative and not punitive, a failure to register would get a fix it ticket and not a jail sentence. Simple as that.

Conspiricy for safety? Seems the commonwealth and many states across the USA inducing these registry ordeals are conspiring. If all this is about hurting little children than were’s the child in question in this made up situation. Many of these issues don’t cut the mustard or if they ever did. Talk about protect and serve being driven into the ground.

Does anybody know what tier I would be in concerning Sorna. I have a possession with intent to distribute conviction. Does intent to distribute equal distribution under Sorna? Tier II says: Production or distribution is a level II. I read the following on a lawyers website while searching intent to distribute definitions. The lawyer’s site says “Sentencing Guideline Manual § 2G2.2, a person charged with a child pornography related offense can receive a 2 to 5-level increase in the offense level if the judge finds that they distributed the material. Distribution is defined under the Guidelines Manual as “production, transportation,… Read more »

. The way I read it, which may be incorrect is that intent is equivalent to distribution. “Whoever violates, or attempts or conspires to violate” is language used several times in the federal code and intent to distribute to me us the same as conspiring to violate. So I think that makes it Tier II. Maybe someone else here knows more about that.

Where can you find this info about SORNA? I’m curious what they classify as production? I have a 311.4a for doing an upskirk on a minor. This is currently Level 3 (felony?) in CA’s tier registry. Does SORNA consider this to be the same as producing full on porn or something lower? Does it matter if you can get it reduced to a misdemeanor? For CA, it seems like a misdemeanor would make you T1?

How amusing it is to hear political candidates say “just imagine armed mobs in your neighborhood, coming for you”…. yeah, that’s everyday life for people on the Registry. Not surprisingly, not one of those candidates has mentioned eliminating Registries. Hmm. 🤔

I’ve been hearing a lot about some 17-year-old who shot and killed two people at the Kenosha, WI. protest. One of the victims is a registrant. Now the punk is being hailed a hero.

Yes, the reports regarding Joseph-jojo-rosenbaum are correct. However, his conviction was 12/2002 and his age now, 36, making his offense when he was 17 or 18, depending, I did not research this further. However, everyone should scroll down to the bottom of this story from the Chicago Sun Times to see a last image of him with his new born daughter…such a sweet picture it almost breaks my heart. https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/8/26/21403106/anthony-huber-gaige-grosskreutz-kyle-rittenhouse-joseph-jojo-rosenbaum This is, of course, bad for us…and yet, with a million RSO’s out there trying to live their differing lives, things will happen…further in a general population of 331 million… Read more »

Interesting take on this…. i saw the video before it was taken down and the shooter was actually trying to defend his parent’s store from being looted and burned. The first guy who got shot in the head was actually a white guy (new’s doesn’t mention this) who chased and threw a moletov cocktail at Rittenbhouse before being shot. The kid was being chased down the street by a mob and this skateboarder guy hit him with his skateboard after he fell on the ground. Looked like total self defense in my opinion and now he’s being charged with first… Read more »

GTFOH with that “liberal”.

“Fake news” is fake news. Most news organizations try hard to be accurate.

It wasn’t a Molotov Cocktail it was a plastic bag

A mob was chasing him because he just shot two people. The “mob” was trying to detain him after killing 2 people then he shot the last guy that had a handgun in the arm. Then the crowd tried to point the shooter out but the cops let him walk on by and escape. I watched the protest live when it happened and have re-watched it about 50 times since then. The live videos are still on YouTube, maybe you should watch them again. Your version does not match up to the video I seen live. The charges against him… Read more »

This is why sex offenders on this forum should stay away from politics and stick to sex offender stuff

@Rosco:

I don’t think there are many sex offenders on this forum. I’d expect well less than 1% here are. So why should everyone else get to talk about politics but not that small number of people? I mean, technically, we should get that 1% arrested, but I’m not going to help the criminal regimes arrest anyone.

I have to believe that there are probably several Registered Citizens out on the streets demonstrating during these protests. I’ve been watching these protests nightly as they’re streamed live on YouTube and Twitter. A lot of people out there are very, very angry. YES, the trigger is the very deep racism that exists in this country. But, I also have to believe that many of the people out there are just sick and tired of the fact that the USA has become a police state. Either they themselves are “justice-involved” citizens and/or they are closely related to someone who is.… Read more »

Let’s not confuse or group police with politicians. It’s the politicians that make these laws that keep us in the spot we’re in. The police are just tasked with enforcing those laws because that’s their job. Most of them that I know would rather not have a registry and have to deal with all the BS bookkeeping that these politicians make them do by passing so many laws against registrants. As for these guys that are getting shot by cops I would say stop resisting arrest and you’ll live longer. As for the protesters that got shot I would say… Read more »

Nazi soldiers were also just following the laws the politicians passed. And if you haven’t done anything wrong, you shouldn’t be giving cops a pass on trying to falsely arrest you by complying. All that does is bolster them being able to do whatever they want. All the people that were murdered by cops may have lived had they complied, but then we wouldn’t be having these protests and holding POS cops accountable. It would’ve just been more of the same. If the good cops want to actually be good, they need to do more about speaking-out about all the… Read more »

@290 air, let’s not confuse the fact that police often play a HUGE role in the legislative process and spend alot of money influencing the politicians to meet their agenda. While it’s true, police are tasked with enforcement of laws created by politicians let’s not forget that they are doing alot more to influence the laws they enforce so that they can further the agenda of getting more money for themselves.

So, found something interesting. The Final Guidelines SORNA, 2009, and the Interim Guidelines, 2008, list 18 USC 2243 as a Tier II offense. However, in March 2011 SORNA, without issuing new guidelines, no public comment, re-tiered several offenses. They re-tiered 18 USC 2243 as Tier III. Essentially any sexual act with anyone under 16 became a Tier III. Problem is Courts don’t seem to agree. In U.S. v Kobedeuox (2013) the Supreme Court noted that statutory was Tier II. All Circuit Courts have found the same under the categorical approach (latest 5th in 2019). Even the Missouri Supreme Court found… Read more »

I don’t think your missing anything. I didn’t really notice this before as I generally have looked at 34 USC 20911 for the tier definitions. In some ways I wonder if the SMART office did that to try and “sneak” in some sort of tougher legislation by states that were working on their own compliance legislation and using their publications rather than USC itself as a guide but that’s just a guess. In any case I would think that the statutory language is clear and would prevent any sort of legislative delegation towards an Attorney General or anyone else to… Read more »

I’ve been working on this tonight to run by the federal defenders office. But, it does look like the Federal Circuit Courts are not playing SMART or DOJs game. These cases range from 2015 to 2019, well after this re-tiering. Read these cases, the 7th Circuit FTR case was thrown out. See, U.S. v. Walker, 931 F.3d 576 (7th Cir. 2019), (A person is a Tier II offender only if his prior offense matches “abusive sexual contact (as described in section 2244 of title 18 )” and was “committed against a minor.” 34 U.S.C. § 20911(3)(A). And he is a… Read more »

@JohnDoeUtah. So this is for someone I actually know through treatment I had to go thru rather than myself. I’ve been trying to figure out how the SORNA tiers apply if the conviction is deemed a misdemeanor. I haven’t found much case law on it but these cases do provide some insight as to how the federal courts might look at something like that. The state court in MN has had its own ruling on whether convictions deemed misdemeanors when they were originally a felony and how that applies to the language in a statute. MN used to do sex… Read more »

If I fly from California back to Virginia to purchase a vehicle, then drive it back, if I am in a state less than a day, then I should be fine, correct? And how do I play it with the local Gestapo. Do I tell them of my travels, since there is no real itinerary. I won’t be in Virginia for more than 4-5 hrs max.

According to the travel spreadsheet, I believe you should be fine. Alaska seems to be the only states that technically wants you to register ASAP withing 24 hours. I also don’t think you need to report your travel to anyone, if you’re off paper and aren’t permanently moving or traveling internationally.

Nevada requires within 24 hours if you even step foot in the door.

@JDU

The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police website still says 48 hours for Nevada. Was there a recent change that may not yet be reflected?

But wait…. aren’t many of them homeless as a result of being listed on the Registry?? 🤔

There’s a lot in that article. Registrants are being used as pawns all around, but DHS stated this: *** start of excerpt *** When reached for comment by Fox News, particularly concerning that at least one of the offenders being housed had been previously convicted of raping a 4-year-old girl, DHS officials did not provide an explicit confirmation or denial, and instead responded: “There are no residency-restricted sex offenders residing at these locations and all individuals residing at these locations are permitted to reside there under State law.” “We don’t discriminate based on people’s previous experiences or backgrounds, and we… Read more »

Probably a good thing overall but a lot of it is allusion. The comments suggest Qanon is taking the bait and making assumptions. Vague charges.

US Marshalls find 39 missing children in Georgia during two-week ‘Operation Not Forgotten’ across the state and arrest nine people on sex trafficking charges

The US Marshals announced Thursday that 39 missing children were recovered in Georgia in a two-week rescue mission dubbed ‘Operation Not Forgotten’
In the crackdown nine ‘criminal associates’ were arrested
They face charges including sex trafficking, parental kidnapping, custodial interference and registered sex offender violence

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8671927/US-Marshalls-39-missing-children-Georgia-two-week-operation-arrest-nine-people.html

They recovered 32 children in Two weeks? Yet for the previous two yrs they couldn’t find these kids? Sounds like a type of sting operation with L.E. Using the kids as tools. They allowed the offenders to abuse the kids until they could round them up all in one short period. Then they will pat themselves on the back , brag to the public about their “recovery” operation , then go on to something else and forget about the other missing kids until they need the positive publicity again, due to all the Negative press they have been getting lately.

Excellent point, A.D.A.T. 👍

I don’t know if it is a complete lack of respect, or that I have given up on decorum, or that I just don’t care, but this morning I was at a local café, and two sheriffs were looking at me as I walked by, so I slowed down, addressed them, and said,” And just what are you staring at?” I then walked on out. Three city workers were outside and were laughing their butts off. One patted me on the back as I passed. I guess a lot of people feel the same way I do. No reason to… Read more »

Two questions-
Is there any blanket requierment for a 290 on parole to have a cerfew?

Is there any requierment that a 290 on parole carry there Registration Card on their person at all times?

Any help would be great.

Thank you

If you’re in CA then these are not requirements. I am not aware that anyone issues registration cards in CA anymore. My County stopped issuing them over 5+ years ago. However, when you’re on Parole, they basically own you and it is best to cooperate with them. Usually after they get to know you for awhile, they will loosen their rules up. Pick your fights on the rules carefully as your parole officer can make your life much worse.

Each year when I do my annual registration in Los Angeles County, they give me a copy of the paperwork as well as a small 5″ x 5″ receipt stating I’m a 290 registrant with my thumb print and signature on it. Apparently, that is what I am supposed to have on my person (in my wallet) at all times. I don’t really know. 20 years and nobody’s ever asked to see it.

Hi David: I live in Los Angeles county and I get no little license sort of piece of paper…to carry or not. Many years ago this was true, but even then you did not have to carry it. At first I just thought you were wrong…but as I think about it, you may only be wrong in thinking that what happens to you happens happens to everyone in Los Angeles County…but there are many jurisdictions, and what may have been dropped in my smaller jurisdiction could still remain in yours. There is no blanket rule in these regards for Los… Read more »

@Zach

Not sure about blanket requirements for parole, but all people forced to register according to 290 in CA must have their registration card on them at all times.

That is completely not true. Most CA Counties stopped issuing these small “registration receipts” years ago. I’ve registered for over 20 years in CA and no such law was ever mentioned to me and I cannot find any such statement in the 290 code. They certainly cant make you carry a registration card that they no longer issue.

Lake County is correct. Registrants in CA are not required to have a registration card in their possession at any time. One reason is that very few registration offices provide them.

What do we tell the officer when he asks for it or issues a new one? Our jurisdiction always provides one and says it has to be kept on your person at all times. I just leave it in my glove compartment with my auto registration. I’ve never brought it in because the first time I gave it, they ripped it and thew it away. I didn’t like that as I kept them as a proof of registration. (Each year it’s a different registering officer, so I’m sure they aren’t consistent in their recordkeeping.)

NPS,
They are required to give you a copy of your paperwork that you sign each time you register. This paperwork is your proof that you registered. If a cop was to arrest you for not having proof of registration, you’ll have a good case of false arrest. However the cop will find it hard to find a PC code to book you under. If they have given anything in writing stating you must carry a registration card, you might want to send it to Janice.

After the earlier conversation I went back through my old paperwork … in San Diego, while on probation the PO told me to keep the laminated card on person at all times. I was stopped for traffic stops a few times once I was asked for my card. After probation I continued to get a new registration card each time I registered wether it was annual or for change of address etc. this remained true through my last registration in 2019. However, I checked the paperwork I/we sign and initial and did not find any requirement to keep the registration… Read more »

Thanks, Janice! Good to know! 👍

Hooray! I finally received all my EDD back pay since March in one lump sum. Almost like the lottery. I have been on edge not knowing if I would be homeless due to no money, but somehow something always kept occurring that would allow me to keep going. 5 years of skimping and watching every dime, from month to month. Now suddenly I am not only flush, but have a moderate surplus. The 1st thing I did today was pay off a loan, my credit card, and my taxes. Then I called up one of the Professional organizations I belong… Read more »

That’s great to hear! I hope things keep going well for you!

Congratulation ADTD….you deserve a break…my only disagreement is maybe with your idea that you should not have put yourself in such a position to be harmed in the first place….well, certainly, this is true for the vast majority of us….where we found ourselves was…most often…”Situational,” in the sense that an odd confluence of occurrences had to come together for you or any of us to be in a position to offend…and the chance of this happening again are….remote, approaching Zero.

But enough of my preaching…I am happy for you….you deserve good things.

Best Wishes, James I

Thanks everybody for your well wishes and support. I should say it more often, but it does mean a lot to me to know there are people out in the world that support me and hope for my happiness.

🥳🤗 CONGRATS, A.D.A.T! 🥳🤗😁
(I am very happy to hear ANY good news these days – especially for fellow justice warriors!! 😁👍)

@A.D.A.T. This is just wonderful news! I am so glad that you have some VERY positive things now happening for you. Funny sometimes how life turns out. We can be SO down one day, and then raised up so high the next, that we actually feel alive again. It can be a roller coaster ride at times. Just keep the faith brother! Your friend, here in Southern California.

A lawyer just shared this info with me – “apparently, California just decriminalized sex with 15-17 year olds, if the older party is no more than 10 years older. So a 25 year old man and a 15 year old boy or girl is ok” “look up California SB145”

So if this is now true wouldn’t it mean that anyone convicted of sex with a minor (15 and older) is off the registry as long as they weren’t more than 10 years older?

Who is this lawyer so we know to avoid them? The law doesn’t decriminalize this. There is a change that in certain cases the judge can choose to not have the person register. Its still a crime regardless.

@ Pat: That lawyer is very wrong. That is absolutely NOT what SB-145 says.

I know that this small card used to be issued here in CA, and my fiancé always carried it, even though I am pretty sure it was legally never required. A few years back, they went away with those cards and never issued them again at registration.

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