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Passport Update As mentioned months ago, I got the dreaded passport revocation letter from the State Department back in October. I finally made contact with someone in the passport office where my passport was issued just 2 years ago to find out what went wrong when my previous passport was issued and why it didn’t have the required IML marking. I was told that the Angel Watch Office simply hasn’t caught up and that yes, I’d have to pay full cost to get a replacement with the marking now. I applied in October 2020 for a new passport with the… Read more »

@ Worried in WI:. Sorry to say, I certainly did not get my unmarked old passport back again. I have not heard of anyone who received their revoked passport back again.

@David
They sent my unmarked passport back with 2 holes punched in it.

@ ML in CA: Curious. 🤔 Was that a revoked passport that you had returned to you?? And did the new passport you receive have an IML unique identifier on it??

If you received a revocation letter, SOP is for them to not return the old passport. The only exception appears to be if there is a ‘live’ visa in the old passport, and even then only if you specifically request it be returned. There is no guarantee though, and since they have to do extra work to return it I can see how it won’t always happen. If you send in a passport for early renewal, before it’s revoked, then you should get it back as a matter of SOP. Of course, in this situation you have to specifically request… Read more »

@Worried, did you engage in travel that causes the revocation or was it revoked with no travel? I think it’s been established here generally that it doesn’t get revoked unless you engage in travel first so I’m wondering if that still holds true or not.

@David and Worried in W
“If you send in a passport for early renewal, before it’s revoked, then you should get it back as a matter of SOP. Of course, in this situation you have to specifically request an IML-compliant passport.”
That’s what I did as I was trying to go overseas to work and didn’t want it to be revoked while I wasn’t in the US.

They sent my passport back to me also, with holes punched in it.

How is it not a lawsuit that they are making you pay twice for the same thing a non RSO would only pay for once, and it’s their fault they sent the wrong one out to begin with.

Janice how is this not apart of the lawsuit under illegal fines and a violation of equal protection? Any further challenges on IML?

That is not the only issue. They are cancelling passports in violation of the Due Process clause of the Constitution.

I believe that a good case could be made against charging us for a new passport when it is their fault that the wrong one was issued the first time. However, it seems that the law is on their side at this point.

The problem is laws are assumed to be legal until challenged in court.

Everyone wants to know when the new process of violation human rights in IML will start ( second punishment, freedom traveling and other issues)

– I renewal my expired passport on Feb 24th at a post office with a written statement self-identifying as subject to IML. 😔 – Received the new passport on March 19th (no express service) 😲 – Of course NO marking!! 😠 – Called the passport information number 877-487-2778 (2 minute of wait) On the 19th. – Explained the problem to the first CS agent, very friendly, then he transferred me to another CS agent and explained the problem again, another friendly service. – He told me that he will send a “note” to the Seattle passport service center (nearest to… Read more »

Update:

  • Mailed the passport back on the 25th
  • Received the new marked passport on 4/9

Thank you for taking the time to explain those issues.

I get off probation in 5 months. Will apply for my passport then. My charge. State felony 3rd sexual exploitation of a minor. Well $1500 later and another court hearing, Just got clarification from a 2nd federal judge and have an order that states “this offense is not an offense against a minor.” The order says that word for word and is signed by a superior court judge(two judges agree). Gonna try and apply for the passport and see if I get the stamp or not. Hoping with that order I might actually get to avoid it. I’ll update again… Read more »

I hear what you’re saying, but the decision on whether or not you get the IML passport will depend on what the Angel Watch Office decides and not on what the judge stated in your case. I believe that they go on a number of factors, including the specific charge and the statute you were convicted of. If the statute is on their list, it may not matter what the judge said, but it might give you cause for future action against them.

You were probably right. But I got to at least try. I mostly got the order so that those stupid premise restrictions here in North Carolina wouldn’t apply to me. That way I can take my daughter to the park if there’s no ordinance. Or to a museum or to the movies, Hell even just pick her up from daycare. I do have a question though. If your name is removed from the registry after your tenure., And you apply for a passport, will they still stamp it?

Couple of thoughts… 1) The rules for registration and state rules for sex crimes re: residency restrictions are not the same as the rules for who qualifies for an IML passport. There are specific rules that they go by, even when they conflict with specific state rules for similar things. Read up on what convictions IML considers triggering convictions for a passport. 2) Your conviction can be one which triggers the IML passport, but you still might initially receive a passport without the IML marking. This is even more likely if your case was fairly recent or if the Angel… Read more »

You make it all sound so legitimate, sensible, and useful. Good stuff.

Personally, I’ll call them Satan Watch all the time. They deserve contempt and disrespect.

Our big governments are clearly too big and have way too many resources. Let’s take it from them.

You take power from the wasteful and abusive government via two ways:

1) USE Cryptocurrencies, which is not government money; it’s the people’s money.

2) Vote for candidates who promote SMALL GOVERNMENT.

.. And of course donations to lawsuits that challenge the abusive laws.

That’s it.

On an emotional level I can see you point. As a matter of trying to provide information for others in a similar situation it doesn’t really help though. I’ve tried to keep my comments in this conversation as much on the facts and things I’ve observed in an attempt to help others maneuver this maze, not to make an editorial statement. There are lots of other places to do that outside of a thread trying to help people carry on with life in whatever way possible at this time. Hopefully at a point in the near future threads like this… Read more »

…and like a cancer, big government feeds only itself. Also, like cancer, it won’t stop growing until it has killed its host. That is how serious we should view the way our current system operates.

Since to be a covered sex offender requires that conviction of an offense against a minor, I would believe that if a judge says specifically in an order that it is not against a minor then it can not be considered against a minor for the purposes of this law. Angel Watch might consider this to be against a minor without some level of proof to the contrary and revoke a passport and require a stamp in it but I would think you could use the mechanism as required in IML to dispute inaccurate information based on the Judge’s order… Read more »

@ Anklebiter: I would guess that your first passport will not include any IML unique identifier. It’s my belief that they only revoke a registrants passport when it has actually been used for international travel. It is actually travel that triggers the revocation. So I suspect that you will get a passport without an identifier on it. You can use that to travel internationally for a couple trips before you receive the revocation letter. That is what I suspect will happen. Thanks is what happened to me. (I believe it is impractical for DOS to revoke every passport issued to… Read more »

My opinion is that’s its more nefarious. Most countries require the VISA holder to also hold a valid passport.

You travel, get a VISA. Two months later your passport get revoked, other country revoked VISA, and you’re back in the USA in a flash.

I couldn’t think of a better way to screw an SO.

I think you give them too much credit. To have some type of nefarious plan would require the ability to coordinate a complicated plan of action across multiple offices in multiple places. They can barely accomplish the most basic task of issuing a passport, let alone put together a coordinated plan.

I travel several times with an unmarked passport, before the passport was finally revoked two months after my return from a trip. So far, there’s been no indication of anyone having their passport revoked mid-trip while in a foreign country. Please speak from personal experience, not from conjecture.

That’s what I thought as well, but it was about 9 months after 4th trip over three years before I got a revocation letter. According to what I was told by the person I spoke to at the passport office who works with the IML passports, it has much more to do with when your case file gets processed by Angel Watch than anything else. Once Angel Watch adds you to the list, you’ll get an IML passport. If you know you will eventually be on the list, it might be worth just asking for one rather than waiting to… Read more »

@M C I had traveled overseas four times in a three year period of time with no problems. The last two times I arrived at the immigration desk on the other end though it was apparent that my passport was on their watch list, apparently as a result of the notification sent over by the USA. From my conversations with the Passport Office it seems that the revocation is not triggered solely by using your passport for international travel. That may start the process sooner for some, but it’s not until the Angel Watch Office actually does the leg work… Read more »

Has anyone been able to travel for vacation to Mexico?

This subject has been covered too many times here. Mexico does NOT allow registrants to enter. If you somehow get in ( car trip, private plane, etc) and are asked, you will be detained and deported. Look on the matrix of countries. It covers all of this. Asking 400 times will not change the answer.

I question as to the accuracy of this Travel Matrix.

My gut feeling is that it is out-of-date and it probably hasn’t been maintained in a while.

@JohnOK, its based on reports provided by people who have attempted travel to those places because that is the only way to find out so its only going to be as accurate as those reporting it. Additionally, when someone attempts entry to a country, is turned away, and reports it so it can be added to the matrix other people are not likely to attempt entry because they do not want to spend money only to be turned around on the next plane home. So unless someone (maybe you?) wants to spend money to try, against what is advised by… Read more »

@MC
“When it comes to Mexico, there is also pending legal action in Mexico courts because such denial of entry is probably unconstitutional under the Mexican Constitution. I’m sure this action is still proceeding but that Covid-19 has halted or at least slowed this process”

How do you know there is pending legal action in Mexico?

@MC “its based on reports provided by people who have attempted travel to those places because that is the only way to find out so its only going to be as accurate as those reporting it.” I understand what the RTAG Matrix is for- my contention is that it hasn’t been updated since October 2020. Remember that RSO Registration laws are subject to change. That being said, just because a Registrant was allowed entry into (Italy for example) in October 2020, that doth not mean that everything is still the same in 2021, especially in light of the fact that… Read more »

@JohnOK John, appreciate you voicing your gut feeling. Question to you, what can be done about that? The travel matrix is updated by that source when they deem fit, but not sure there is any means to force them to do it any other way. Everyone would benefit from any ideas on how to improve and distribute information on travel. That said to my awareness the information on domestic and international travel has been done by organizations and individuals working as advocates for people forced to register. Also, I guessing it was a typo or an oversight, but for clarity… Read more »

@JohnOKvThere was an RTAG conference call about this prior to the Pandemic.

@Interested

Question to you, what can be done about that?

I think they could probably create a form on this website where people can simply submit their information. Then the Matrix could just be a reflection of this data. My guess is that it would need to be moderated in some way.

@JohnOK I am also suprised that: NO RSO has been denied entry in ANY Country since October 2020. Needless to say, with all of the new changes that are going on including Covid, one would definitely need to plan very carefully, any international travel to ANY destination. The RTAG Matrix is definitely a good starting point, but since there have been no reports in such a long period of time, I question as to whether this source is up-to-date. I would definitely recommend extreme caution. In my view, I think that registration requirements are becoming more strict worldwide with even… Read more »

You are correct, the safest way is to ask the consular office of the country you want to visit and they will tell you where they stand. Some one went to El Salvador and was sent back on the next flight. But could be just that particular immigration officer.

Don’t even try, forget about Mexico and Canada forever. You will be sent back right from the airport and you will lose a lot of money from airline tickets and hotel. I’ve read that you wont have a problem traveling to most of Europe, except England.

Received the second mailing from the US Passport Office today with the proof of citizenship they were returning to me. Not in the envelop? My old passport – the one with the expired visa and entry permit for overseas. This is not totally surprising, as I was told the only circumstance under which they normally return a revoked passport is if it contains a live visa. Since mine expired before my new one was issued I was only mildly hopeful I’d get it back. Good thing I have a copy of the visa and entry permit, as they might come… Read more »

All good stuff. But until someone tries we really don’t know what Hitler watch will do in each situation. Im curious as to if you get off the registry.. while having a iml passport, can you get a new on without the stamp? Because if it’s based off conviction… Than it seems like that the stamp would remain.

@Anklbitter

If memory serves correctly the IML has 2 triggers and both must be met for the stamp. 1) a conviction for a crime against a child and 2) myopic have to be required to register.

That said I don’t remember if anyone who has been relieved of bing forced register has applied for a passport and reported back.

Technically, they should not have the stamp, but we all know how accurate and timely government bureaucracies are at working in our favor.

This coming July my duty to register in the state of Washington expires (10 years after conviction). I should be considered a tier I Offender under federal SORNA, due to my offense being a misdemeanor (less than a year possible jail sentence). After I confirm I am off the list in Washington, I plan to reapply for a new passport. My current one is expired and I’m trying to avoid the “stamp”. Will report back on that later this fall. Has anyone else been relieved from the requirement to register and then applied for a passport? I believe the statute… Read more »

If you have a passport stamp and are relieved of the registration requirement under both federal and state laws, I think you should have Angel Watch do a re-determination of your status before applying for new passport. It seems the state department receives this information from Angel Watch and once it’s placed on the passport, I’m sure they don’t stop putting it on unless Angel Watch tells them that they determined this is no longer required. Also, as we have discussed before, the marking in the passport and being green noticed are two totally separate things. The green notice can… Read more »

Will the recently proposed changes to SORNA affect your premise?

@MC
“The green notice can be sent even without the passport marking requirement and the green notice seems to be a larger barrier to travel than the passport marking.”

I have yet to see an instance where someone was denied entry or refused travel based on an Interpol Green Notice. However there have been 1000’s of people being denied entry based on the Notice that Angel Watch sends. These are completely different types of notices or alerts.

I’m guessing that you were not referring to the Interpol Green Notice.

@PK

1000s? Source for that beyond what has been shared here and other similar websites? It is possible and plausible on the angel watch notice being sent but definitely should be documented so it can be used in the fight, especially when it comes to risk assessments and travel. I think Rep Smith (NJ) has shared previously data of those turned back in Thailand. Thx.

@PK,

I’m not sure what you are saying. While Angel Watch may use other means to notify in some circumstances, its been well established that their primary means of notification to a foreign county of travel is the interpol green notice and people have been turned away based solely on the green notice.

In any case, my point was that the barrier to international travel seems to be more often whatever notice Angel Watch sends and not the passport marking. In all cases I’m aware of nobody even looks for the passport markings.

So, to be clear and concise here, with an actual answer and no assumptions, is the only way that Satan Watch does their thing is if you had a conviction with a minor? Is that the only trigger? My “crime” was against my then wife(now ex) and I “pantsed” her. But it was military so I don’t know if that would trigger them or not. There was no minor involved in mine and I only spent about 3 months in the brig. So that being said, there are many of us here that didn’t get a conviction involving a minor,… Read more »

IML states specifically that passports with a unique identifier are for individuals who have been convicted of a sexual offense involving a minor.

Not that you’d necessarily want to, but I believe you can contact the Angel Watch office and ask you you’re on the list.

@jim Per the information you posted, you should not get the mark in your passport. That said, if you are required to register you might still run into problems. Many nations have agreements with the US and have access to criminal records and what not. If I were in your shoes and wanting to travel there are a couple things to consider. First what are the laws for the country you intend to travel, and also what your conviction would mean in terms of their review. It’s definitely frustrating trying to travel internationally with any record, but with a any… Read more »

Thanks to you all. I was looking at possibly traveling down to Colombia to visit a friend of mine or to Italy to see Venice. I live in Nevada so I think that I have to do the 21 day B.S. I want to thank you all for your reply’s. I will try and travel eventually, but I am getting let go from my job, funding not my status, and I will try and use my G.I. Bill, which is another whole thing being not only a vet with benefits, but an RSO going to college is going to be… Read more »

Got my passport months ago, no identifiers. Havent attempted a trip but am off the registry and have a romeo juliet case. Thinking will not have a problem with it.

You will find out once you land. No one here can answer your question. I left the U.S. on February 9th of 2019, and won’t return for another 9 years, when New York State will remove my requirement to register. I was awarded a Level One classification by a NYS Superior Court Judge, which allows me to be removed from the registry 20 years after my release from prison, in my Federal CP Case. My advice to everyone who has passed the 10 years mark of their conviction, apply for residency in Germany or Sweden. The European Parliament in Brussels… Read more »

@CAMO

Will you cite the source of the parliament decision for all here to read please with a link to it? Thx.

“Green Notice” vs. IML Passport Marking

I believe that you guys are correct – out of my four recent trips overseas, all were made with no marking on my passport. On one of those trips (before I had the entry visa) they clearly had a red flag on my passport in their system and nearly didn’t let me in.

I’m not sure, but it’s my understanding that the Green Notices will be sent for everyone on their list, not just those who qualify for an IML passport.

Does anyone have specifics on who they send a Green Notice out for?

The Green Notices are not “sent” so much as they are continuously available to any INTERPOL participating country (pretty much all countries) and alert officials when you arrive. They are distinct from “Angel’s Watch” notifications which are sent individually to countries “Registrant” is planning to visit which is facilitated by “Registrants” filing an IML intention of travel. There’s plenty of redundancy built into this system which makes getting refused entry that much more likely. I’ve completely given up on travel and have just resigned myself to never getting out of this goddamned country again. I won’t even bother to renew… Read more »

Good explanation/clarification.

I’d still suggest traveling if you want to. There are places you can go without issue. Takes research to make it happen smoothly.

Oh, I’ve done all that research, as anyone who has been here as long as I have can attest. I wrote the very first warning about the not-yet-named IML a number of years before it became law. Many thought I was exaggerating or worrying too much but everything I feared has come to pass, and more. Every year prior to that Chris Smith and his allies in the Senate would trot-out their boogeyman legislation and make incendiary and willfully mendacious statements about “pedophiles” in international travel and I wrote about each of these attempts and knew that someday they would… Read more »

@Notorious D.I.K.ennerly

What are you talking about with regard to the EU? Do you have a specific link with information or policy change?

Unless there is something else I am unaware of, I’m presuming Notorious is talking about ETIAS: https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/smart-borders/etias_en (This is an official EU website). While I too am somewhat worried about ETIAS, on the basis of what I understand (and I do not claim to be an expert), I think it may be premature to be too pessimistic about it. Unfortunately, until the system is either actually up or closer to being up, we probably will not know much more, but my understanding is that one must disclose certain “serious crimes” committed within the last 10 years. While I have not… Read more »

My research leads me to believe that there may be an issue for entry if there is a sex crime against a child and the person was sentenced to an incarceration period over two years unless a period of 10 years has elapsed after the incarceration without a subsequent offense. If you fall under that category it’s would still not necessarily a complete bar to entry though but it would certainly make it more difficult. Obviously in the end we will have to wait to see how this actually applies.

When I went to Germany, I was stopped and questioned, but allowed to proceed on my way after explaining I had a decades old conviction. They were actually surprised the Us sent them something for such an old conviction.

I keep tabs and have e-mailed Steven (U.S. who went to Germany, now seeking Asylum). To verify much of what he has stated, I paid to talk to a German Immigration attorney. She stated that the offenses are subject to expulsion from Germany and to not lie to cover them up (automatic ban). However, due to the fact they are nearly 20-years old, it would likely not be a bar from entry or obtaining a residence permit. If convicted in Germany, sex offenses are automatically expunged (“spent”) after 20-years and cannot be used against a person. However, a foreign conviction… Read more »

Western Europe is regularly mentioned as wide open and easy to enter, but does anyone know of a situation where someone was refused entry into countries like Germany, France, Italy, or others in the area? I have been planning a big trip over there for the summer of 2022 and I know I overthink things, but wonder if it matters which country I fly into. Everyone mentions Germany, but it would be easier based on some of the loose plans I have to enter France, Spain, or Italy. For any of these countries, does it make sense to contact them… Read more »

@ pnwso: A couple years ago, my flight landing at CDG airport in Paris was met by a contingent of French police who very briefly detained me because, according to documents I received from a FOIA Request*, it appears that USDOJ mistakenly sent them notification that I was a fugitive. This was quickly cleared up (in approx. 20 minutes) and I was soon released, actually making it out of the airport before many of the other individuals on my flight (as the police were kind enough to expedite me right through the passport checkpoints to the baggage claim area.) 🇨🇵… Read more »

Thanks for the replies David. Am I overthinking when I am entertaining the idea of booking my intended flight – let’s say to Paris and because of the possibility of being sent back, also booking a fully refundable flight 1 week later to Berlin and turning 21+ day notices in for both of them. That way, if I am rejected on my first attempt to Paris I won’t have to come back, book a new flight at a higher price, wait 21 days and then try again. I will have a specific time window and want to make sure it… Read more »

@ pnwso: I would be extremely surprised if you were turned back by French authorities. I have not heard of that happening to anyone. It’s certainly your prerogative to also book a flight to Berlin, but I would suggest it may be a waste of your money. But definitely do submit your paperwork at least 21 days in advance…. preferably 30 days in advance. (I believe it was a snafu in my paperwork that caused the Green Notice system to generate an email containing the word “fugitive”.) Personally, I never feel more free and more at home than when I’m… Read more »

My usual “port of entry” is Schiphol Amsterdam. Never had any problems 8 trips in 10 years. I’ve flown out of France once during that time. I’ve always felt having lots of the same countries stamps in my passport would help when ETIAS is implemented.

I don’t know if COVID has cooled tourism overseas to the point where they would be more discriminating, but I traveled in 2019 to France and had no issues at all, going or coming from Paris. I did get flagged with the “X”, for screening at a different line at customs in the US, but I think that is the standard procedure for those who have to provide notification of travel under IML. I did similar research before going on my trip and the consensus I found on these forums is that France has not turned back individuals from entering.… Read more »

This news report suggests that ETIAS will not actually go into effect until early 2023:
EU Reporter: #ETIAS visa waiver postponed until 2022.
https://www.eureporter.co/frontpage/2020/04/08/etias-visa-waiver-postponed-until-2022/

@ pnwso: One more thing: I strongly recommend that you take direct flights to wherever you’re going. If you have to have switch flights or switch planes in a foreign country or even just briefly stop over in a foreign country, be absolutely certain that that country will not turn you back. (I lost a cost of a round trip ticket to France because I could not get confirmation from Irish authorities that I would not be turned back on a brief layover at Dublin Airport. Personally, I avoid the national airlines of countries where you’re likely to be turned… Read more »

Thanks for the great replies. Makes me feel better, at least for now. My conviction is only 10 years old and I used to read here that around 10 yrs is the magic number now I’m seeing 20. My original plan was to spend the entire summer over there (2022) before the new visa changes go into effect and that still is my plan, but more and more I find myself entertaining the idea of just trying to stay in the region and do the “country dance” moving along to Albania, Georgia, and maybe others before returning to the Schengen… Read more »

10 years could be the magic number, but that could also depend in some cases, on the type of conviction that you have.

Do I have to give the IML 21 day notice when not living in US. If I am able to find a way to successfully live outside the US, even if I can’t find a permanent residency situation, but do successfully move around from country to country to comply with tourist visa requirements, what happens when I return to the US for a short stay? If I am still required to register if residing in the US, but don’t currently appear on any registries because I live outside the US, what is required if I return to visit people in… Read more »

That’s the million dollar question.

See, Nichols v. United States, 136 S. Ct. 1113, 194 L. Ed. 2d 324 (2016) You likely will have to formally deregister prior to leaving. If you give 21-day notice, which includes an itinerary with a return date but you don’t return, you’ll likely get hit with Federal FTR. On top of the itinerary information, they also want an address or contact information. If you leave and fail to register in the state you left, without “deregistering,” when your annual (or six-month) time frame comes up, you’ll likely get hit with Federal FTR. SCOTUS did make clear in Nichols that… Read more »

How would SORNA “attach” to him if he does not live in the United States and returns for a visit? He would only have to ensure that he does not stay too long and/or work and/or go to school in any state to trigger the requirement to register. As long as he visits the United States and does not trigger any state registration requirement I do not see how anything of SORNA would come in play.

@ pnwso: This may help with your question. When I fill out my 21-day notification, I only provide the city names where I’m staying (not a hotel name and address, not a VRBO street address, etc) – never a specific address. So, for example, I simply write “Paris, France’ or “Montpellier, France”. That has, apparently, been satisfactory because I’ve never gotten into any difficulties putting just the city name. (But, who knows? Maybe it has not been a problem because I am not in a SORNA-compliant state, so it’s almost more of a courtesy on my part that I submit… Read more »

@David, et al,

The travel notification you provide appears to be in line with what the SMART office says is required regardless of SORNA or Non-SORNA state: https://smart.ojp.gov/sorna/notice-international-travel

However, “information about any intermediate stops” could be the catch all statement they’d use where they go looking for more specific details than just the places as you mention. Not saying you are wrong. Just thinking from their side for their “intent”.

I can kind of answer this, I haven’t been on here in a while since I’m still waiting to hear from my lawyer. First, please don’t fly to NY. If they force you to register you could get stuck in it for life as they do not remove you after moving out of the state. When you leave the country, tell them you are moving to the other country with the intent of not returning.(I left with a round trip ticket which I later cancelled the return flight for) Normal states like Michigan will remove you from their registry. Once… Read more »

Has anyone on here attempted to get a criminal rehabilitation from the Canadian government to allow entry to their country? I spoke with a Canadian Attorney this afternoon to see if its possible. just looking for some input before I put out $3,000 for their services as well as the $770 to the Canadian government.

I tried this 8 years ago and it was shot down. I came to understand that, while Canadian lawyers will take your money to process the paperwork, the Canadian government will not approve a crim rehab application for anyone with a sex offense. I was particularly pissed to learn the Canadian bureaucrat who denied my application did so right here in LA at their consulate. “So that b*** gets to live in my country enjoying the fruits if my tax dollars while she denies the opportunity to live in her country? The gaul!” But I digress… Before spending the money,… Read more »

Leroy… I made an inquiry about five years ago and spoke with an attorney in Montreal and he told me that it was about $2000… At that time. That is for a permanent residency permit and I also know that there is a temporary residency permit that can be had and I believe it last for three years and it’s noticeably cheaper. When I spoke to some of the officers on the Canadian side in Windsor Ontario they told me that there shouldn’t be any problem at all because my case is 30 years old. I was going to do… Read more »

Thank you for your comments, I’ll definitely be doing more investigation into the possibility of travel north before I actually hire an Attorney. Travel to Canada is a two fold mission for me. One: I promised my wife and kids before my arrest that We would make the drive through Canada to Alaska to show them the beauty of it all. Two: I advocate for R.C.’s rights at a local level, and am looking to establish other precedence such as getting permission to enter Canada. Back before I had learned of the existence of Janice and ACSOL, I worked with… Read more »

@leroy: When applying for rehabilitation status under Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, a simple form is used. I didn’t use an attorney, but it if you hire one that works near the immigration office they can easily check on its status and ensure it doesn’t get buried. An attorney shouldn’t cost more than $1,000. If approved, the effect is you are no longer described in A36(1)(b) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act because of the conviction. If you’re young and achieve enough points, you and your family can immigrate for free. If you’re old or otherwise don’t qualify… Read more »

Very interesting. How sad that decent countries have to offer asylum to Americans. But America is a special kind of stupid, as we’ve all seen even more clearly in recent years. American “exceptionalism” is not good.

In America, it is not possible to respect law enforcement. It would be great to live somewhere where a person could.

I like the “They’re not liberal, just not evil” statement. Registry Supporters/Terrorists are evil. Probably the best label for them.

Leroy: I am originally from Detroit just a couple of miles from the bridge and have traveled to Canada for more than 50 years. Any criminal conviction, including a DUI, is a no go. You have made the first step by contacting an attorney in Canada. Make sure you have an attorney that specializes in immigration because Canada is difficult but not impossible for registrants. If you travel to Canada prior to your attorney telling you so, you will be turned away and make obtaining residency more difficult. Wait until your attorney tells you to travel to Canada before you… Read more »

Green Card and worried

I’m a RSO, currently on supervised release. I was convicted of posession of CP, got 5 years, but was never deported. I never gave up my passport(Irish) and when I was released, I renewed it by mail. So I have a new foreign passport. Can I travel on it without any problems? I’m planning on leaving the US for good, and don’t want to have any trouble with getting stopped when traveling.

@IrishResident,

You will need to give the required travel notice so you don’t get arrested trying to leave. You might also find that notification of your travel is sent to wherever you go even your country of citizenship which may have its own set of implications. Also, though you don’t plan to come back you may never be able to. Once you aren’t subject to travel notices you should find travel easier otherwise.

I was planning on leaving once my supervised release was complete. As for notice of travel, probably go to France first then go to Ireland from there on my Irish passport. So if I tried to travel without giving travel notice, my passport won’t flag, but would my name?

All international flight passenger lists are screened by Department of State, Department of Justice, Homeland Security, U.S. Marshals Service…. In other words, the federal government.

Satan Watch will know when you fly to France, whether you give notice or not. Satan Watch usually sends notice to your first international destination, but normally France wouldn’t care. So I would do what you say, but give your 21-day notice to avoid that possible 10 year federal sentence for violating IML.

I’m not sure you can while on supervised release. That would be absconding, maybe?

Otherwise, be sure to reregister in your state. Failure will be a new felony.

Also, give 21 day notice.

Or, go to your consulate and see if you can’t get out under some protection as an Irish citizen.

I’ll give the 21 days notice and leave. Once I’m I’m there, I’m done with the USA. Never returning here, so there’s no reregistering as I’m not in the US any more.

Hello! Does anyone know about current rules/laws for Portugal? Seems like a great place to move to but I’m having trouble getting current info about SO laws.

Portugal is part of the schengen and you should be fine. Do it. I did France, Germany. Croatia, Bosnia and Czech Republic…no issues.

Just read that Belize is now the first Caribbean county accepting US visitors who have had the vaccine, which my wife and I have. The RTAG matrix says Y/N on admission and has this puzzling note “May be turned away, expect to be interrogated.” Anyone know what that means or have any recent personal experience? Thanks.

Well, I was going to Belize in Jan 2019. The travel matrix said they did not turn away SO. However, 2 days before I was to leave, the airline called and said they were refunding the money for my ticket because the Belize govt contacted them (airlines) and said I would not be allowed in.

I emailed my experience to the matrix site and that might be why it’s saying may be turned away now.

Good luck and post your experience, I’d like to try Belize again.

Belize is part of the British Monarchy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belize Gov’t & Politics section). Thus, it would not most likely allow people forced to register in the USA w/in their border because of that tie (even if they are they own independent country). Not sure if any other British tied to country allows people forced to register in the USA within their borders. However, if you are going to attempt anyway, best wishes for a successful attempt.

My comment is about nearby Guatemala, the only country south of the US border that shows any signs of hope in the travel matrix. Does anyone have updated thoughts or experiences related to Guatemala? Many years ago before my trouble I went to one South American country and Costa Rica 3 times and always imagined I would spend more time down that way in the future.

If anyone thinks our government or any government doesn’t know where you go or private information about you, watch some of Snowdens videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFCtCySYzCTd7PyOVVo2oiQ/videos

I love this place. So many good people and great ideas and there is always something to learn. I just went back and reread this entire thread and sometimes it is just overwhelming. My conviction was 8.5 years ago and I served 6 and now have 6 months left on probation. Some of the posts mention that if you served more than 2 years there could be problems with entry, even into Europe. Also not quite 10 years has passed, although currently my international travel plans will be next year – almost 10 years since my conviction. So many questions:… Read more »

You can get into Europe just fine. My conviction was 21 years ago and I was incarcerated a little under 7 years. I’ve been to Europe, so yes, you can go.

Hi, I am helping a friend in CA to research countries where we might be able to get a second passport / residency. I have not tried to travel yet on my unmarked passport but recently, my friend was turned away from Costa Rica. He had been there numerous times without trouble but a new person in the police department took his information. She claimed to have to notify the FBI. I thought the locals just submitted info to CA department of Justice. Either way, he was held in detention for several days until he could buy a second return… Read more »

@JD My opinion follows: If your friend has lots of money to invest, >$100,000 maybe, a good lawyer could get him residency in a number of countries, but passports usually require citizenship, which is much more difficult, and would limit him to a few small third-world countries. If your friend’s conviction was a long time ago, and didn’t involve much jail or prison time, his conviction could be considered “spent” by many countries, so maybe $10,000 to invest could open more doors. I know Portugal is happy to have immigrants come and invest, though they cater more to people from… Read more »

Someone posted here late last year about Turkey, which was never on my radar until I read his posts. 250k investment in real estate qualifies you. I am now quite interested in that, but can’t spend the money anytime soon. I would love to hear more on this option if anyone has any info

Wasn’t sure if this was posted previously, so I apologize if it was. I was researching the ETIAS that is supposed to go into affect in Europe in a couple of years. I came across this page which clearly states that one would have report their conviction ONLY if it occurred in the last 10 years. Their may be something in Europe believing in second chances, and the ability for one to get their life back. I keep hearing it, but have a hard time getting my head around it after dealing with this country’s hate for so long.

https://www.etias.us/security-questions-in-the-etias-form/

If that is what they plan to ask, then I will have just crossed the 10 year mark a few months before the end of 22. Hopefully the fine print won’t say – “or released from incarceration within that time frame” like many employers do. It does say they check various databases during the application so they will probably know everything anyway

To all those asking all the redundant questions concerning , what country allows, who responds to notices, and what about after my removal. You need to realize that these are all questions that have variables based on your offense, how long since your conviction, and ultimately YOU as a person. I have a relative in Thailand that has spoken to people about my return. With letters of reference from a nationals and people stateside, a formal request for a hearing by immigration services there, and a good Thai Lawyer who understands the national customs,Thai law and can articulate my situation,… Read more »

If it pleases your honors, the travel advocate makes valid points. As prosecutor of nothing at all, I motion for my own dismissal as well as any pending charges of xenophobia. 🙄🤪

I really don’t know where to start with this. I disagree almost completely with your first paragraph, but I am very hopeful that your return to Thailand will be successful – it appears that you have all your ducks in a row. The questions may be redundant “concerning what country allows, who responds to notices, and what about after my removal”, but sadly, they have VERY LITTLE to do with your offense, how long since your conviction, and YOU as a person. I think the problem is, we are talking about two different things. You want to return to live… Read more »

I guess I got off point a bit. Apologies.

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