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Legal Scholars to Consider Elimination of Public Registry Next Week

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Members of the American Law Institute (ALI), the most important and prestigious organization of legal scholars and prominent attorneys in the nation, will consider a proposal next week that could significantly change the nation’s sex offender laws.  The most significant of those changes would be the elimination of public registries in all 50 state.  The proposal also includes, but is not limited to, recommendations to abolish all public notification laws as well as most residency restrictions, internet restrictions and GPS location monitoring.

“The ALI drafts model laws that often become statutes as well as restatements of the law that are widely cited as authority in judicial opinions,” stated ACSOL Executive Director Janice Bellucci.  “ACSOL thanks ALI for focusing its attention on the plethora of laws that harm registrants and their families and that do not increase public safety.”

The outcome of the ALI members’ voting is uncertain.  As of today, there appear to be at least three different groups of members — those who support the proposal, those who oppose the proposal because it goes too far and those who oppose the proposal because it doesn’t go far enough.

One organization that opposes the proposal because it goes too far is the U. S. Department of Justice.  The federal agency stated in a formal comment that, if adopted, the proposal “would attempt to unravel sex offender registration and notification systems nationwide, severely limit law enforcement information-sharing capacity, weaken youth-serving organizations’ ability to conduct background checks to protect children, and strip victims’ and the public’s right to know if convicted sex offenders live, work, or go to school in their communities.”  The federal agency sharply criticized the ALI proposal because the agency believes the proposal “relies on questionable and discredited research regarding the effects of sex offender registration and repeatedly draws conclusions that are unsupported by scientific evidence.”

In his reply to the U.S. Department of Justice comments, ACSOL board member as well as ALI member Ira Ellman, stated that “what is discredited by the clear and rather overwhelming consensus of the peer-reviewed scholarly work are the central factual assumptions…that are usually offered to justify the registry system.”  Ellman explained that there are three kinds of studies that establish the limited value of a public registry.  He also pointed out that a study commissioned by the federal SMART office concluded that residency restrictions are ineffective.

“It is important to keep in mind that the registry is not and cannot be justified or explained as punishment for the crime that triggers its imposition.  Everyone required to register has already been punished,” Ellman stated.  “No similar regime has ever been imposed on any other group of law-abiding former felons who have fully served the sentence for the crime they committed years earlier.”

Those who oppose the proposal include journalist William Dobbs because he believes the ALI proposal does not go far enough.  Instead of restricting the registry only to law enforcement officials, Dobbs advocates the total elimination of all sex offender registries.

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Huge news! Amazing! A huge crack in the seemingly-impenetrable registry wall, just as water in the crack of a big boulder can split it after enough freezing winters.

No, things won’t change tomorrow. Just ask any group of people who are fighting for justice and their civil rights.

But if we don’t give up, we will eventually succeed.

We show up! We stand up! We speak up!

Roger yes! I am workibg with a group to make positice chanhes to the registry laws. If you are interested look up group on facebook-united voices 4 sex offense reform.

On Twitter and still happening.

@AmLawIns

https://twitter.com/AmLawInst

The fact that this is even being discussed by upper echelon groups is huge. Thanks ACSOL for keeping the pressure on.

This is extremely important. After all, no other group is treated this bad and registration length is based on crime alone and not actual how dangerous one may be. Then, states that allow you to appeal registration make you pay thousands of dollars just to be told no. Register hurts people to include their families years after a conviction. Putting someone on a worthless registry in no way protects victims, so it’s asinine for the government to state so.

Bless the ALI for treating this issue. We’d do well to systematically encourage law students to think new thoughts about registries. Significant resources would be needed to do so.

This is probably the biggest registry news ever.

I think we are uniquely qualified to speak on the “effectiveness” of the registry. What has it accomplished in my almost 30 years on it? Lost jobs, lost friends, ostracized in the community. That’s it. Prevented me from traveling, and keeps me on the edge of sanity every year knowing I am one misstep away from 5 years in prison because I forgot to register. It is the biggest waste of tax payer money, the most bloated and ineffective scheme ever foisted on anyone. It’s a life sentence that does nothing to help anyone. It was a bad idea that has been built upon with a structure of lies, misinformation, propaganda and fears.

Daam 30 years on the registry I thought 21 years was along time 🤢

I Caught this rail road charge in 1992 when i was 19 years old… I am approaching 50 this year , With never another crime related ,was never put on this registry via judge as my charge was years before the registry ever existed. They retroactively gave me 25 years then 10 years into the 25 years a mail man brought me a LIFE sentence again retroactively applied . They crazy thing is i was sentenced too 1 too 3 years in 1993 by a judge was no registry . The pain this is caused on myself and family is long and hard and unjust . Life of HELL !

Mine was 1982 Kev. Sad, we were promised no more with cert of rehab decades ago, chd to pub.

34 for me and counting, Happy Pride, still chat weekly with my ex tho he was arrested too…7 yrs diff. Truely Sad, many othersore than 35+ on Reg.

27 years for me

28 years, here. For those of us on it before Megan, it only got vastly worse. Let’s turn it around!

Same…been on the regustry since I was 18… I am approaching 50 now

WOW!!!!

Could this really happen?!

This is almost as unbelievable when the first state considered making weed legal as recreational. Who would have ever thought that could happen even just 20 years ago. Or the US Supreme Court ruling on Gay Marriage just 7 years ago striking down DOMA making gay marriage legal in all 50 states.

Excellently spoken, true examples, profited from those, Most Excellent Point!

Its a nice gesture, but unfortunately abolishing the registry will never happen because people have been conditioned to believe that registries make communities safer and those people far outnumber those of us who are forced to be on it. People don’t want to hear the truth that registries only exist to further punish, harass, and stigmatize people who only want to go on with their lives to be productive members of society. People are led to believe that registrants lurk in the bushes waiting to pounce on school kids, and that having our personal information posted all over the internet will prevent that. I’m not even going to explain how that is not true, because we all know what the truth actually is.
Its such hypocrisy to say people have a right to know who the sex offenders are in their communities, but what about my right to know who the drug dealers, murderers, home invaders, drunk drivers, etc. are in my neighborhood? I am more concerned about knowing if there is a habitual home invader in my neighborhood than someone who made a stupid mistake years ago by having consensual sex with a 15 year old.

What about the children shooters, maimers, dismembermenters and cagers and torturers, perm damage by Loss of Life! Why were Arsonist removed?

Those aren’t horrible crimes, so those people are allowed to blend back into society to live and work wherever they want.

Sarcasm can not be detected in type written responses. I think it was sarcasm, but was it?

Not only was it sarcasm, it also appears to be the truth. Communities do not seem to care if people convicted of violent crimes are living in their neighborhood. They only care if a PFR is living nearby. When is the last time you heard the public shout and demand that someone previously convicted of armed robbery, carjacking, manslaughter, etc. be forced to move out of their neighborhood? I’ve never heard of one instance.

This is Bigly!

What state legislator will sponsor, co-sponsor or vote for any bill that even in the tiniest way changes anything for the better? I’m not negative, just a realist. That would be political suicide as that person’s next opponent would say the politian is in bed with rapists and he/she wants rapists roaming your neighborhood.

Governor Brown gave California the very controversial tiered registry. It can happen. Weinner has drafted several bills that lessened the persecution of people on the registry.

Tiers are bad. It does not acknowledge that the Hit Lists are idiotic at their core and that they should be completely eliminated. All it does is help everyone pretend that we’ve found the right people that we should all hate, segregate, and ostracize. Those are the “Tier 3s”, of course. The worst of the worst. The rest of the PFRs are almost as good as the normal people.

No civilized country has Hit Lists. People in America keep whining about hate and their “freedoms” being taken. Guess who doesn’t care what happens to them? Tens of millions of people in America.

So life for everyone is a better deal?

Yes.

The problem with these harassment/segregation/ostracism schemes is that most everyone is just fine with them as long as they are not being targeted. People living in America have trouble harassing 20 million people. But we’ve got no problem trashing 100,000. If it is 20 million it’s a problem that has to be fixed. But we can’t be bothered to care about 100,000 of the “worst of the worst”.

If 1 person does not have justice, then no one deserves it. Hit Lists have no place in civilized society.

Tiers were simply the chosen way to appease registry opponents while maintaining the status quo. Personally, I have never believed they would change anything. Simply being a registrant invites all the same hostility regardless of tier, changes to removal eligibility based on tier accomplished nothing (as most judges are inclined to refuse), and the registry remained as bloated as ever since implementation.

Even implementation has its hiccups. According to most posts here, LE doesn’t have the foggiest clue what they’re supposed to do.

I’ve said before and I’ll say again – having a registry to prevent sex crime is like using a chainsaw to fix a flat tire. Tiers are just putting Exxon gas into the chainsaw instead of Texaco.

Wow look at the DOJ all proud of their nationwide SORNA database
I dont think The federal government plans on taken their boot off sex offenders necks anytime soon but at least their talking about it.

Good luck 🥱

Again, big government, including the DOJ and federal government, doesn’t have the first clue who sex offenders are. On any given day, they probably can’t even point to 1,000 of them in the entire country. Your comment is 100% false.

@ACSOL

It says above…”strip victims’ and the public’s right to know if convicted sex offenders live, work, or go to school in their communities.”

I ask of those who claim this: 1) Where’s this right stated?; and 2) What’s the background of it?

The answer from the courts is usually the safety of others (the public) is greater than the safety of those who have committed alleged “sex” crimes against others, real or virtual; therefore, this already public information should be made available in an easier fashion to all regardless of what the gov’t sponsored registry tool enables, e.g. homelessness, vigilantism, etc.

Again, this alleged “right to know” is against one specific type of person, a person forced to register, but where is it stated the “people” have the alleged “right to know” this information?

This alleged “right” is not documented as I understand it like the right to travel is for those who live in this country (as we’ve discussed here previously in this forum and shown where the historical right comes from with internet citations).

It is imperative, IMHO, those who claim this “right” answer these two questions above to give any sort of foundation of credit on their position.

As a side – If they can provide those, then they should be able to answer: 3) Why doesn’t it extend to other people who have committed crimes against others, real or virtual?; and 4) Why shouldn’t it extend in the same manner to everyone that has committed a crime against another and is covered by those who have an interest in exercising this right for whatever criminal topic is of interest to the public?

TS ~ Very good argument. To add to this, they say that the safety of others (the Public) is greater than the safety of those who committed the alleged “sex” crime. So, where does that leave the rest of the public who is living with the registrant? The wife, the children, or any other relatives living in the household. Their right to safety and/ or privacy is completely stripped.

@someone

IOW, Lack of family safety and privacy by association. Good point.

I don’t think there are any serious people today who say that people have a “right to know” about people listed on the Hit Lists. The serious people dropped support of the Hit Lists long, long ago. The only ones left are the immoral crazies or the people getting something from it.

This “right to issue” is one of the simplest, more straightforward things about the Hit Lists. There is no right to know. Could that be any more obvious?

Agree @Will Allen.

Good arguments, TS! There is also this:

“The time available before postings close keep me from commenting more fully here. I provide a fuller review and discussion of the research in this area in an article forthcoming in the University of Pennsylvania Journal of Law and Public Affairs, and available at https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3817201.”

Was the time restraint intentional by the DOJ? Who at the DOJ made the arguments in favor of the registry? How high up the chain of command did that decision go? Is there no one at the DOJ that thinks the registry in not effective and instead considers it counter productive? Without knowing the politics of the DOJ argument, we cannot know how concrete the arguments actually are and so it is not clear how seriously to take the DOJ arguments. A FOIA of who wrote it and under what advice and consent would be helpful and probably enlightening. There are many ways to follow the money on this.

Thank you @Ditto. I would say the DOJ late move was intentional as much as the late Friday night news dump is for things the USG doesn’t want the public to know or the main stream media to pick up and report. Did AG Garland review the doc? I doubt it. FOIA is a good way to seek the info you mention as is a Congressional request as a constituent. I would say also there are budget reasons behind why the wrote what they wrote, not necessarily belief in the system they espouse, as seen by their own data. Can’t fund a system that no one believes in or will use unless a politician forces the money there or there is written reasons why funding is a must.

If we want to know who is behind all this nonsense, this is a good place to start.

Prosecutors and Politics Project releases amazing “Prosecutor Lobbying in the States, 2015-2018

https://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/2021/06/prosecutors-and-politics-project-releases-amazing-prosecutor-lobbying-in-the-states-2015-2018.html

More than 22,000 criminal law and criminal justice bills were introduced in the 50 state legislatures during the four-year period from January 1, 2015 to December 31, 2018. The number of bills introduced varied wildly by state. The most bills (1536) were introduced in New York; the fewest bills (80) were introduced in Alaska. The median state introduced 296 bills….

Overall, state lawmakers were more likely to introduce bills that made the criminal justice system harsher than bills that made the law more lenient. More 40% of the bills introduced either increased the scope of criminal law or increased the sentencing range. In contrast, only 11% of bills narrowed the scope of criminal law or decreased punishment. Many criminal justice bills dealt with procedural issues. 35% of bills proposed changes in procedural limits or altered the rights, responsibilities, or liabilities of criminal justice actors. And less than 5% of bills dealt with funding issues…..

Some prosecutor lobbying comes from specific prosecutor offices. An individual elected prosecutor or an employee in her office may choose to testify in favor or against a bill. The same is true for state attorneys general — some state AGs were active lobbyists.

But in many states the prosecutor lobbying was more coordinated. Most states have one or more organizations — often called associations or councils — that exist in part to lobby the state legislature. Some of these organizations are private non-profit corporations; others were created by statute. The organizations also serve other, non-lobbying purposes, such as providing training materials to local prosecutor offices or appointing members to serve on statewide commissions.

It’s not just most states it is in every major 1st world country in the world that have the so called associations or councils. Keep researching and you will find all agencies – city, state and federal law enforcement agencies are all union. You name it they are all union. These unions have their own attorneys, lobbyists, power, money etc. to get whom ever they want elected. With this they write all the new laws and get them signed into law.

Below list just the federal agencies. pick one and then research what union they are tied to. Border Patrol, CIA, ATF, Homeland Security to the Coast Guard. Yes all unionized and back by their associations. Basically they make up their own rules and multiplying like rabbits. Yes this happens in every 1st world country and them some.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_law_enforcement_in_the_United_States
https://www.fleoa.org/

True. Police departments have their own Bill of Rights.

There’s a reason it’s hard to discipline police. It starts with a bill of rights 47 years ago.
On a Thursday afternoon in March 1973, 50 uniformed officers filed into a red-brick legislative building in the Maryland state capital, armed with stories of being wrongfully disciplined by highhanded police chiefs, gripes of low morale, and threats for lawmakers who didn’t agree to help them.

At stake was the “Law Enforcement Officers Bill of Rights” — a first-in-the-nation law that codified workplace protections for police officers far beyond those afforded to other government employees. They included giving officers a formal waiting period before they had to cooperate with internal inquiries into police conduct, scrubbing records of complaints brought against officers after a certain period, and ensuring that only fellow officers — not civilians — could investigate them.

It was not a controversial bill at the time, lawmakers say. But its impact would be profound.

I would say this is the largest registry challenge since smith vs doe. If we can have a victory here,judiciary committees all across the country will have a stronger footing to say no to senators trying to pass obscene bills. There will be more victories in courts for us challenging these scarlet letter laws. I pray and hope for this. Is there anyway we can support this? From letters or anything? Thank you to anyone who’s been fighting for this! I pray it proves fruitful next week.

Judiciary committees don’t even know who American Law Institute is. At least not in my state. But I hope I’m wrong about this.

Why’s this a big deal? I never heard of ALI. Do they have any influence in the legislature? Have they gotten any laws changed?

This panel does not make law. This panel can not repeal law. This panel can only make recommendations to Congress. Sex offenders were the first Americans sold out to big data, the rest however, soon followed.
IMO these are probably the very same folks who advocated for the sex offender and kidnapper database in the first place. Now the social geniuses are walking it back attempting to thwart big tech power.
Too late for that, humans are and have been enslaved to database property upkeep since 1995.

Questioning the research is one thing, because skepticism is healthy. But where did Garland get the idea that the public has a right to know where these people live? Where is that in the constitution? The right to privacy, however has been clearly established.

Such a “right” is highly derivative of more than a century of judicial opinions and rulings, such as the U.S.’s expansionist claims in furtherance of the Commerce Clause. The weeds of bad historical jurisprudence gradually move in and eventually choke the tree of liberty. The ALI position, if it does indeed take one condemning the Registry, will be very good news but only as an important weapon in attempting to dismantle the bulwark of hysteria, not the end of the Registry, itself. We’ve still got a long way to go but the work of this, and other, organizations and individuals is beginning to pay off.

Wait……”sharply criticized the ALI proposal because the agency believes the proposal “relies on questionable and discredited research regarding the effects of sex offender registration and repeatedly draws conclusions that are unsupported by scientific evidence.” What research do they have to support their claim that “conclusions are unsupported by scientific evidence”?? I don’t believe they have any. Conversely, there is loads of research that says the registry is harmful, punitive, and doesn’t keep anyone safe.

Kudos to Bill Dobbs for being one of a too-small group of advocates pushing to abolish registries altogether.

Thank you, ACSOL, for keeping all of us updated on the American Law Institute’s consideration of this proposal.

The comments made by the U. S. Department of Justice were particularly disturbing considering the power they yield in our country.

The DOJ suggests that the recommendations make by ALI rely on discredited research. The U. S. Department of Justice May of 2019 Recidivism Report found that released inmates in 30 states, whose most serious offense was rape or sexual assault, had a re-offense rate (committing another sex crime) of 7.7% over the 9-year period from 2005 to 2014. That means that 92.3% did NOT re-offend. This study only considered the most violent of sex crimes. When all sexual offenses are included, the rate is lower.

Karl Hanson, one of the leading researchers in the field of risk assessment and treatment for people who have committed a sex offense, compiled data from many different research studies on re-offense rates for people on the sex offense registry and found the following to be true: The lifetime re-offense rate is anywhere from 10% to 30%, depending on which study you use, with the larger studies having the lower rates. (Dr. Hanson’s research results were recently shared at the Connecticut’s One Standard of Justice January 2021 Webinar: “Sex Offender Recidivism Risk Not What You Think”.)

Radley Balko stated in The Washington Post, “The Big Lies About Sex Offenders”, March 2017: “In the most comprehensive single study on re-offense rates to date, the U. S. Department of Justice followed every sex offender released in almost 15 states for three years. The recidivism rate? Just 3.5%. These numbers have been subsequently verified in study after study…What we’ve done is allowed sex offenders to be released from prison, but then made it impossible for them to live anything resembling normal lives…Casting them off and marginalizing them after they are out…”

From SOSEN.org, 2014: The Department of Justice: Re-offense rate averages, for auto theft – 78.8%, possession/sale of stolen property – 77.4%, burglary – 74%, robbery – 70.2%, larcenist – 74.6%, sex offenders – 3.5% (with treatment – 1%).

According to the American Journal of Public Health: “Sex Offender Laws and Prevention of Sexual Violence or Recidivism” (2011), a 2.1% recidivism rate for a second sex crime over 16 years in New York state; a 5.5% recidivism rate over 14 years in Ohio. “…most new sexually based crimes are committed by someone NOT on the registry.”

All of the above research is just a drop in the bucket of the research that refutes the DOJ’s statement that ALI is relying on discredited research.

Additionally, over 90% of FUTURE sex crimes will be committed by people NOT on the registry: “Why Sex Offender Registries Keep Growing Even as Sexual Violence Rates Fall”, Steven Yoder, July 2018; “Rethinking Sex-Offender Registries”, National Affairs, Eli Lehrer, 2016; “Sexual Offender Laws and Prevention of Sexual Violence or Recidivism”, Am J Public Health, March 2010, Kelly K. Bonnar-Kidd, NCBI.

The DOJ states that residency restrictions are not part of SORNA. True, but as a result of SORNA, there are draconian residency restrictions all over the nation. In Florida, there is a 1000-foot residency restriction around schools, day cares, and playgrounds. According to Aaron & Delgado Associates, April 2020, “currently there are more than 160 municipalities in Florida that impose greater residency restrictions on convicted sex offenders than required by state law.” Many municipalities in Florida have residency restrictions of 2500 feet.

According to “Sex Offender Residence Restrictions: Sensible Crime Policy or Flawed Logic?”, Federal Probation (a journal of correctional philosophy and practice), Jill Levenson, Kristen Zgoba, Richard Tewksbury, “Using GIS mapping technology in Orange County, Florida, researchers found that 95 percent of over 137,000 residences were located within 1,000 feet of schools, parks, daycare centers, or schoolbus stops, and virtually all housing was within 2,500 feet of such venues. The number of dwellings available for sex offenders outside the 1,000-foot buffer zones was 4,233 and only 37 properties existed beyond 2,500-foot buffer zones.”

Thank you, American Law Institute and ACSOL, for standing up for a group of people whose punishment never stops.

Media Chair for Florida Action Committee

Residential restrictions are side effects of SORNA despite not being part of it proper. Because of that, people forced to register face collateral damage due to SORNA, which is real for those who want to reside within the restricted zone.

It’s unfair to be registered as sex offender when a consentual relation is in place. When no victim is pointed. No aggression of any kind is named just because the girl was under 18 . Now she is more than 18 with new partners and he still in prison on top of this have to be registered as sex offender?? HE IS THE REAL VICTIM!!

I agree, Nancy.

There should be an investigation into who in the DOJ is pushing the false narrative regarding the statistics and studies quoted by them in their response, why they are deliberately misleading ALI and the public, and if there is any criminal or administrative penalties that can be levied for this very serious and devious conduct. And i believe ACSOL should use their influence and contacts to try to push for this investigation as this is a very important subject and time in the whole of this registration fiasco.

I know off the subject, my b-day is July 31st, will have 23 years on registry, I called local police inquiring or if they knew about, police was & have always been super chill towards me *thankfully* so asked if they remembered me *same person* that registers me annually, so asked if still needed to register this year, police said yes but still need to do that live scan to make sure I have not got arrested because that could delay/add more time, but police stated I should be fine with no problem, so police stated after register & scan is good I will get paperwork than would need to go to the court house & that would take 3 to 6 months, police is knew to this tiered system so I basically going to be the test subject, I will be the 1st to petition at that particular station., but need to call next month to make registration appointment and go from there.

Talk about hypocrisy! Law enforcement doesn’t want private groups going around “hunting” sex offenders, but is against the elimination of the public registry. Make up your minds you bunch of ignorant A holes.

This still wouldn’t stop private sites from posting, but it might make it harder for them to get the info. Of course some crooked cop would feed them what they needed.

I hope they get rid of the public registry and housing restrictions. I was the victim of a ghastly crime because this sick group of vigilantes saw my sons name on the public registry and went after me, “The mother that bore a sex offender” This was on March 15 2018. They terrorized me and said if I went to the police they would kill my son. I did call the FBI a few months later.
My son just turned 18 at the time and met up with some girls on facebook that planned out they were going to have sex with my son and when the mother found out she ruined my child’s life so she could be the victim and not face the fact that her daughter is wild and out of control. She was way to advanced for her age and my son was a dumb virgin. He lost his virginity and went to jail and life on the registry because of nature.

Please please please we PRAY for this everyday. Please God, may we live to see this come true in our lifetime. We want to end the suffering for our families. We want to be redeemed and we want to be productive members of society. Please end this for all.

At some point in time, humanity will overtake the insanity of hysteria and moral panic. We are seeing this process slowly developing now with a few significant steps like this one. I doubt I will see the end of the Registry in my own lifetime, however events like this give great hope that the Registry will eventually be completely abolished.

HappyPride, not in our lifetime…maybe, L.A. Holly Style

Most sex crimes are committed by someone the person knows, so why does the public need to be involved? Our country is filled with way too many people who can’t mind their own business.

All this money wasted could of been used for real treatment and other resources benefiting the community and country. Allow people to live without big government making more problems. Monkey see, monkey do government I don’t rely on you!!

Well said Brandon

One step for man, one giant leap for mankind! Positive direction and praying for results and anything forward for change.

I agree fully with doing away with the registry, it serves no purpose and it destroy lives. Thank you (ALI) for under taking this project. States that offer plea for these people do not live up to their end of agreement (plea). These people pay taxes try to live better lives but they do not receive fair representation of government. Thank you again (ALI) hope you are successful.

weaken youth-serving organizations’ ability to conduct background checks makes no sense. They can still do background checks and the charges are still listed. PLEASE abolish the registry. The only thing it does is puts a target on the backs of our loved ones who have already done their time, paid their debt to society just like any other person convicted of a crime.

Yep, it’s nonsense. No one needs the Hit Lists for background checks. That is, unless all they care about is sex.

The Hit Lists are just a giant jobs program for people who are only “qualified” to work in government. They say their stupid nonsense and the mouth breathers cheer for them.

The registry may not be considered punishment by law enforcement or judges, but tell someone on the registry the it is not punishment. ALL registrants feel it is punishment, and this “non-punishment” effects them mentally. It IS punishment to the children and spouses of registrants also. Try and tell them it is not. Only narcissists will punch you in the mouth and tell you that you are not in pain, because they didn’t feel it so you must not either.

The registry does not work as intended. Sure, law enforcement can keep tabs on those who have committed a crime. But we all know that if a problem occurs in the community, while law enforcement questions the known offenders (causing mental distress), the TRANSPARENT offenders (usually a family member) are allowed to continue to reoffend.

Recidivism for sex offenders, according to many studies, is around 2% to 3%, and the longer it has been since they offended, the less likely they are to reoffend. Far less than for drug dealers, who do not care if the victim dies of an overdose as long as the money keeps coming in. Compare the number of victims of overdose and/or failed drug rehabilitation with victims of a sex crime. Track these victims for ten years and tell me which group is significantly larger, and which group is doing better.

The registry does not keep the public safe, as many studies show that most sex offenses are committed by someone the victim knows well- usually a family member (or close friend). Stranger danger exists only in movies. Junior high and high school kids are more likely to rape or kill a classmate than a stranger is likely to offend a child they don’t know. But there IS the vigilante side to the registry. Because registrants are made to wear a scarlet letter for all to see (not punishment?), and registrants are at the bottom of those society feels protective of (and are the group it is okay to demonize), vigilantes, who are many times more dangerous than most on the registry, feel that it is okay to take their hate out on registrants with impunity.

Lastly, most, if not all, of registrants have, in their past, when a small child, been sexually abused themselves. Either the grown-ups they told didn’t believe them, or there were no grown-ups to tell. The act itself does harm, but not being believed, or having a safe place to go and recover, does lasting and serious harm. These people should all be loved and cared for until the shame goes away. Instead, the internal shame causes them to act out in some way, landing them in prison and then be forced to wear the scarlet letter of shame for all to see. We are not civilized- no civilized society would destroy childhood victims the way we do.

Yes, yes, yes, and yes. We all preach to the choir here. 🙂

Your message is great and I don’t want you to get the idea that I’m trying to diminish it in any way, but I’d like to note:

1. You said, “Sure, law enforcement can keep tabs on those who have committed a crime.” I don’t think that is the case at all. LE doesn’t have the first clue where I am or what I’m doing. Not ever. I’m around children all the time. Literally every single day. Most people are victimized by people that they know. What exactly is LE keeping “tabs” on? I’m not concerned about LE. Further, if I were to ever consider committing a “stranger” crime, I could easily be 1,000+ miles from my home without them ever having any idea. So easy. This whole idea of “monitoring” is propaganda nonsense. It is one of the lies that the Registry Supporters/Terrorists lean on.

Just as a funny aside and not to distract, but where I live, LE typically only tries to come around my home once a year and they nearly always have to make an appointment with me. But they had a new person a number of years back that kept trying to call me on my phone. I rarely answer numbers I don’t recognize but I did a couple of times and the person said they wanted to do an “address check” and asked where I was! Normally asking to do an “address check” wouldn’t bother me too much but the asking where I was part triggered me so I had to tell them it was none of their business and not to call me again. That was fun. I don’t think I ever saw that person.

2. You said, “while law enforcement questions the known offenders”. Does that ever happen? I’ve been listed for well over 2 decades. I think I’ve only read about that happening a few times in that duration. It hasn’t happened to me once. If they ever tried to “question” me, I promise it would be completely useless. I’m not going to help those criminals. I would never speak to them. Then I would retaliate.

3. You said, “sex offenders”. That is an inaccurate, offensive slur, much like many of the non-PC racial/ethnic/whatever slurs that people aren’t allowed to use any longer. It is a slur that hateful people and enemies love. Moral people who oppose Hit Lists should never use it for any reason.

You can make up all kinds of kool names to call yourself but at the end of the day your still A (SEX OFFENDER)

You’re wrong. I’m no more that than any name I want to call you. And of course people who call me names deserve some special ones.

Why don’t you go up to some stranger and call them your favorite racial, ethnic, or whatever slur and find out what happens? Same thing.

@ AERO1: Most of us are no more a sex offender today because of an offense 20 years ago than we are a liar because we told a lie as a child. Do you continue to refer to someone as a “drunk driver” whose one offense was 30 years ago?

(I guess you can call me a “fast food worker” or a “burger flipper” since I did a stint at a Burger King when I was a teenager. That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me – and probably not to the greater population, but to each his own, I suppose. 🤷🏻‍♂️)

Aero – I think you forgot to drop the “S” as in EX Offender. And, just like any EX offender, penalties have been paid and one should be able to move on like the rest of the EX offenders like murderers, DUI offenders, drug dealers, etc, etc.

@Aero1

I am no more a title bestowed upon me by a legal system that is corrupt and unjust when it comes to a legal matter that they think needs continued addressing (or prosecuted without true due diligence) than anyone else who has paid their penance for errors in their past. We shall not accept titles by those in ivory towers and glass palaces who cannot cast a stone without shattering either one and encourage our brothers and sisters in this forum to not accept the same. Their judgement day will come and vengeance will be paid against them in ways they will not know.

For if you insist that titles are needed, then I am a jaywalker, speeder, bike rider without safety lights and helmet, and any other legal infraction I have committed in my past. Oh woe is me, I am damned for eternal damnation because of these infractions and others I am not aware of!

Good luck Aero1, it appears you need it.

Right?! The people who would call me that are not on my level and are not nearly moral enough to judge me. They expose what they are. I’ve seen a lot of them up close in real life and I’d feel sorry for them if they weren’t such assholes.

@TS:

“I am a jaywalker, speeder, bike rider without safety lights and helmet, and any other legal infraction I have committed in my past.”

Goodness, look at all those underreported offenses!

@AJ

LOL

Sounds like you’re ( spelled correctly ) projecting your issues onto others. Because the justice system arbitrarily labels an action as an offense in order to categorize it, doesn’t mean the person is an actual offender. Is peeing on a post, streaking a high school football game, or touching another kindergarten classmate’s chest really so offensive as to be “ labeled “?

I wish you guys would take your frustrations of being called a sex offender out on the district attorney’s and police officer’s when they call you guys one.
Or better yet why don’t you guys go to TV and News stations when they call you guys sex offenders and take out your frustrations on them
Don’t come on here preaching to me I’m not the one who labeled you guys

(SEX OFFENDERS)

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You’re kidding, right? Why would you not think they get it 100 times worse? I’m a sweetheart on this forum. I was being nice to you because I think you mostly oppose Hit Lists and ACSOL moderates. They won’t let me say what I say to people in real life.

I don’t let anyone call me “sex offender” without a response. If I think someone doesn’t know any better and isn’t trying to be a P.O.S., I just nicely explain to them why that phrase is inaccurate. If the person is a P.O.S. then it turns into a very unpleasant experience for them.

I have too many great stories about when I beat someone down. When you practice for decades, you get good at it. When you enjoy something, you are better at it. One of my proudest moments was when I made this 40ish guy cop nearly cry. I feel kind of bad about it now but he totally deserved it. After he was about to start crying then I really made fun of him. Until some others came and took him away.

You may not be the person who labeled yourself “sex offender”, but you are complicit. You aid the enemy.

  • No DA, no PO has ever called me a SO. Only you take the cake.
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Really? Lots of assholes have called me that. Especially pigs. So I call them worse.

I have worried ever so slightly about my response to them when they are trying to determine if I am a PFR and they ask me “are you a sex offender?”. I probably always answer, “No. Are you a dumbass piece of shit?” I’ve actually wondered if they might try to consider that lying to them. Wouldn’t surprise me if one of the scumbags arrested someone for such a thing. It is best not to answer at all but I hate missing an opportunity to make fun of them in person.

A comment like yours sheds some light on why the public registry is useless and even accomplishes the reverse of public safety, the claimed goal. What happens when someone comes to believe the label and sees no other way to live? It is easy to imagine where that dark road leads. Many studies found the registry does not increase public safety but actually increases the risk due to a lack of alternatives. This is part of the reason why the registry is counter-productive.

I wanted to expound on that 2nd point I made.

No PFR should ever allow LE to question them about anything. Just don’t allow it. Don’t allow them to ask you questions. Don’t allow them to get near you or your family.

The Hit Lists must cause as much harm as possible and part of that must be that no one ever assist LE. Don’t help them with anything, related to you or not. Unfortunately, as long as Hit Lists exist, we need hundreds of millions of Americans to not trust LE or help them.

Your final paragraph hit home with me. I look back at a time when many of us were growing up on the edge of a change in the way the public viewed abuse. We were in the grey area of the law. When “ Family matters” were not addressed by doctors, Law enforcement, or the justice system. Hell, even schools didn’t want to breech the subject.
How many of us would have had a chance if there had been an adult to talk to or step in to stop what was happening to us.

Been on the registry since its beginning. Hard enough to find work with a criminal record, but when I DO find work, workmates discover me on the SOR (Sex Offender Registry) and either persecute me or spawn lies about my conduct which inevitably leads to my dismissal.

A few years back I applied for a pardon – to have my record expunged. In the application I was asked to provide recommendations from my neighbors. Everyone I asked gave a glowing report about me. A total of 10 personal reviews, including one from the local Chief of Police. Yet, the state where the offense occurred apparently didn’t give any weight to those recommendations. Including the Chief’s letter, which clearly stated that he has NEVER had a call to my address.

My wife and I have been living here just 15 years this month (June 2021). We’ve never gotten any complaints from anyone, though some have decided to er on the side of caution. And I understand that. But that just shows how people live in fear of me simply because my name appears on the registry.

I would sincerely like to see the registration ended because I’ve done my time. All 3 1/2 years of it, including 5 years probation and 4 years plus sex offender treatment (successfully completed).

Today I’m building my own woodshop because I can’t find work. When I DO find it I can’t keep it. People just don’t want anyone who’s bearing the scarlet letter emboldened across their forehead, such as I and all other registrants must wear. I’ve not only done my time I’ve done my time and then some. And then some more. And if this goes on I’ll continue to do a life sentence of registration. It’s time to end this useless and fear stoking registration.

The draft proposal also reduces the number of offenses that trigger registration to the offenses below. The proposal lowers nearly every crime level for sex offenses.

1) Triggering offenses. Section 213.11A sharply restricts the class of individuals to whom the duty to register and other sex-offense collateral consequences apply. It precludes registration of nearly all juveniles, and for adults, it imposes the threshold duty to register only upon conviction of offenses that most strongly arouse public concern, specifically:

(i) Sexual Assault by Aggravated Physical Force or Restraint.
(ii) Sexual Assault by Physical Force, but only when committed after the offender had previously been convicted of a felony sex offense.
(iii) Sexual Assault of an Incapacitated Person, but only when committed after the offender had previously been convicted of a felony sex offense.
(iv) Sexual Assault of a Minor, but only when the minor is younger than 12 and the actor is 21 years old or older.
 (v) Incestuous Sexual Assault of a Minor, but only when the minor is younger than 16.

Leslie, you summed it up so nicely. Everything you said is correct and makes so much sense.

” Let There Be Light ” !!!!! The registry does ” NOTHING ” Except hold entire Families Down, For a life time, In most cases retroactively applied too thousands of citizens years after a conviction has been served. Has never prevented a crime from happening just disables over 1 million citizens from being equal or able too provide for their families because a public registry stops people from a fair chance at work or housing at the least. Very punitive for those forced on them via renegade politicians. NOT COOL !

Would love to be off this crazy registry . It would be great after over 30 years and to be able to move with my wife out where we belong , I don’t want to gets my hopes up to high . But I thank all for trying to end this , and of course I wish the best for all stuck on this list made by the criminal minds of the state

This registry has haunted my entire family. Watching our love one come into deep depression, homelessness and nonproductive. No place to bath even if you had a job. Sad! Lawmakers need to review carefully. An elderly man was murdered a few weeks ago and his status was a sex offender.

I heard CP is not addressed in any documents produced? Is that true?

I could be wrong,but from my understanding, yes, and no. They want to consider taking a stance on making the list to require registration smaller. Possession of CP would be nipped off but producing and possible distribution would remain a registrable offense. Now the important thing to remember here, is this doesn’t change any laws, convictions, or registry requirements. The ALI helps clarify and takes stance on what laws should be to help senators write laws,amend laws, and to help judges interpret laws to help with rulings. If the ALI does approve all of these things(which I think is unlikely but I’m praying for), it will help us in the long run. Honestly it may even make the long run shorter. P.s. if I’m wrong here somebody please correct me, cause I’ve been researching but I’m still having a hard time wrapping my head around the significance of it this week.

Longtime Gone

This November will be 48 years. Trying for a COR. The funny thing is that they have told me my tier is NONE, because they have the right to tell me for the nixed two before they make up their minds. 30 years is nothing!

I don’t see how we’re treated is any different than a slave? First the state is the owner and parole is the overseer,after “leaving”the plantation we’re given a “medallion”(GPS) just like slaves were given. If we want to go out of town we have to get permission from the plantations overseer being subjected to the overseers capriciousness. If we want to go to college we have to inform adults in the office(present our scarlet letter). According to John Roberts S.O.’s commit new sex crimes at 80% if that were true then Coalinga State Hospital should be over capacity! Registration is for public safety?So why aren’t gang members required to register or have GPS since gangsters will always recidivate (commit new crimes)in furtherance of their gang!?

You are adding too much common sense to the situation. It is all about feelings, and emotions, and politicians, and elections.

Many times slaves were treated better. They had value to their owners, while we don’t. As for gang bangers and the such, you’re preaching to the choir.

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