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New Study Finds Registries are Ineffective

A new study, published this month in the Journal of Experimental Criminology, finds that “SORN policies demonstrate no effect on recidivism.”  The study is based upon meta-analyses of 18 research articles about 474,640 formerly incarcerated individuals in several states.

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This new study reiterates all of the other studies before it. NJ did a 20-year study that looked at the stats 10 years before the implementation of the registry and 10 years after the implementation of the registry. The conclusion was there wasn’t a difference in recidivism. Then there’s CASOMB that’s been tracking recidivism rates and it was under 1% for a few years, but then stopped reporting it b/c it’s such good news for us.

The registry is a mental prison and a legal way to keep an individual under custody without legally stating the individual is under custody. You must check-in at least once a year in person, you are tracked online, you must report when you leave a state or enter one, you can be subjected to compliance checks when out of legal custody (parole/probation), and are limited in the job market.

I’m not as strong as others mentally on here, but I’m beat down. I do the same thing out of jail that I did in jail… just focus on the next task to get through the day to see the next day. I’m at that crawl stage and the next stage of standing up just feels so far away.

You forgot ‘limited in the housing market’ as well..

New Study? Yeah, right.

Dynamic risk assessments, nothing less is acceptable or works. No penal code BS…

@mike r

Amen, brother, that is the only way to go when tied with recidivism rates being known. That is the real science!

I can imagine what the registry supporters are going to say already…

“If the registries are not decreasing recidivism, it must be because they are not strict enough and because they have too many loopholes. Let’s tighten them up even more.”

They’ll never change to do anything else, especially after having gotten elected in part by being ‘tough on crime’ and ‘tough on sex offenders.”

Who cares what the registry advocates say? Right now, RSOs have no political parties on our side. All we need is one, and if one of the parties makes “listen to science” a party platform, then this is another piece of persuasion to get them to resist efforts to derail registry reform. There are people we can’t win over. Forget them.

My point was that the study won’t matter to the people making up all these stupid laws and the registries. I wasn’t for a second suggesting that they will ever come to our side but quite the opposite – it’s utterly futile making the effort. IMO the courts will be the ones to shut down the registries, but in so many states they are also elected so it’s an uphill battle until the Federal courts take action.

Lest anyone forget: It’s not a justice system. It’s a legal system. And it’s a system where money and connections are frequently more important than justice and fairness.

This was pretty much my point – those people that got elected based on their money and connections did so in many cases promoted things like the registries and their tough on crime stance. They’re not interested in facts, logic, or justice. Only in keeping themselves in power.

Worried, Precisely why I opt for FTR rather than mailing it in. Hell if they really wanted this important information they would pay for it, or at least provide an envelope and stamp for return. If we’re going to complain use that tact as a suit on WIDOC. Providing a return stamped envelope would mean less restraint upon registrants wallets and increase efficacy of the lawfully compelled speech. Registrant financial situation in many cases would make failure to register more likely to occur because the homeless may not have timely access to same. Defacto WI system does not provide registrants these ” staples” associated with registration itself. This is a suit likely to succeed.

“If the registries are not decreasing recidivism, it must be because they are not strict enough and because they have too many loopholes. Let’s tighten them up even more.”

This is why I inserted CASOMB (California Sex Offender Management Board) study that the recidivism rate was under 1% for a few years. Get stricter on under 1% recidivism rate feels a waste of policy.

The only problem is the courts do not acknowledge CASOMB reporting.

@New Person

Because the law of returns will rarely, if ever, actually reach the axis of the graph but will most likely only get closer and closer to it unless all participants are dead, which then, it will reach the axis. Therefore, as you state, it is a waste of policy and money.

A more important point is that it doesn’t even matter what the recidivism rate is. There is no need to discuss if getting stricter is a “waste” or not.

The simple fact is that it doesn’t matter if they get stricter because they are not capable of doing anything that will reduce recidivism. They’ve had decades to reduce recidivism and they’ve failed. All they have done is increase crime and hate and help further destroy a decent America. Personally, I’d bet anything that the Oppression Lists have increased recidivism.

It’s all just dumb, dumb, and more dumb. Big government that is out of control.

At what point will states actually need to show proof that what they’re doing is effective?


When it is 0% because if only one person repeats…then it is not doing it job in the mind of those who support the damn things despite statistics.

They won’t ever need to show proof. Only thing that many courts want is for them to show that there is a legitimate government interest in making the attempt to reduce recidivism and they let the laws stand. It takes a brave court to do what’s right and strike down a registry.

I think this is a great stepping stone to asking Chris Smith what the data is on his IML idea and it actually preventing overseas incidents that he claims would happen without the passport marker and overseas notification being sent in advance.

Any idea that the database machine could really act as a crime condom was always pure fantasy. I told a respected psychologist from NYU that very thing upon its announcement in 1995. Does the notice the database provides offer real protection? Yes, but not without first imposing affirmative restraint upon someone in the equation. A mom may tell her kid, ” don’t play over by that house because….. but this too imposes affirmative restraint upon the kid first. No database will ever stop the determined individual aggressor before action. Just because I know some neighbors voted for the guy in the red hat by the signs in their yard does not equate to me being able to stop them the next time because I knew who they were and what they did. However, I could use a database collective and analysis to figure out which voters I should or could mail ballots out to and which not to for competitive edge. I hear recently a certain ubiquitous Empire is catching flack from mainstream media concerning one particular holding [TEENIG] specifically aimed at growth through direct marketing to children. Turns out the electronic environment prescribed by the popular firm is quite toxic to the youngster user’s mental picture of themselves. An interview with two teen females reported much in the way of negative feedback from others about who they are by various ad hominen attacks upon appearance, social status, state and group affiliation, etc. My point being Congress was holding a hearing and confronting a tech executive and producing evidence from experts declaring the addictive nature and dangers offered solely via social media. Proof enough the broad and unfettered adoption of the database into society has created exponentially more crime then its use has effectively circumvented. Nevertheless, SOR lead the people to intentionally attack EACH OTHER based upon unconstitutional precedent set in DOE03. Keep very much in mind concerning the manifest intent enshrined in the term General Welfare.

I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!

Really, one of the other things that gets me here is the persistent American exceptionalism of not looking at other countries. At best, the US tends to only look at lackeys of the US like the other Five Eyes (UK, NZ, Australia etc.) as if plenty of other liberal democracies do not have experience with the issue and have not adopted registries. The parochialism is truly incredible.

For example, the Dutch considered a registry and rejected it as useless. And while France has a registry, it is 1) law-enforcement only, 2) far more narrow in the severity of offenses it applies to, 3) has a shorter registration duration, 4) the information required is much less, and 5) even then the FTR penalty is much less severe.

EVEN THEN, many EU countries, including Germany and Italy, protested the French registry as a human rights violation. Yet somehow those countries are not hellholes of sexual trauma.

I’m not optimistic about evidence doing much in politics, but I do think there is a possible critical mass where courts get increasingly backed into a corner. Further evidence that can be submitted in court, with further imprimaturs of authority (given that US courts seem to not care about what happens outside the Anglosphere) can only be good. Not to mention, this just further confirms what those of us here already know.

The registry will never be Completely abolished in this country, at this point all we can hope for is a 10-20-30 year off ramp for people who qualify.
California has alot of influence on the rest of the country, if people forced to register in the state of California supported Janice Bellucci and ACSOL like Brittany Spears, fans support her Smith vs Doe would of been over turned years ago

Good luck

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