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USA Today Fact Check: Some states require special IDs for people with a sex offense

Source: usatoday.com 9/17/21

The claim: Sex offenders don’t have to carry cards because it ‘violates their privacy’
President Joe Biden announced COVID-19 vaccine requirements Sept. 9 for federal workers and companies with more than 100 employees. That means millions of Americans may soon have to prove they’ve received the shot.

A widespread claim on social media attempts to make a point by comparing that potential requirement to those for sex offenders.

“There are 800,000 registered sex offenders in the U.S. and they don’t carry a card because it ‘violates their privacy,'” reads text in a Sept. 13 Instagram post. “Keep that in mind.”

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“Sex offenders have no expectation of privacy.”

“Have argued ids are compelled speech.”

Man, they are really just making the argument that it is punishment crystal clear.

Gonna be 1980s Psychology Today vs 2020 USA Today pushing public policy.

Most of us don’t have signs in our yards or brands on our IDs. Most of us also grew up in the era of Yellow Pages. Having our phone numbers and addresses listed somewhere isn’t the problem. The problem is the government telling the world we are a threat. That isn’t privacy, that isn’t freedom of speech. That’s slander. It doesn’t matter if the unvaccinated are threats or not—the government can call them whatever it wants and there’s no SCOTUS ruling saying it can’t. Welcome to our world.

A story but too much misinformation. Courts do not make challenges, defendant’s lawyers do. There is also the fact that “registration process itself” imposes restraint upon silence by demanding information regularly.
This is compelled speech if there ever was a case. Is there a Federal registy and a state registry? Are all offenders on both?

The federal government does not have its own registry, however, a federal government website has links to the Megan’s Law websites in every state at http://www.nsopw.gov. If a person goes to that federal website and types in a name, you will be led to one or more state websites. For example, it’s possible that a registrant convicted in Florida who currently lives in California will appear on the websites of both states.

Janice,
There are some congressional records from the timeframe of M.L.bill discussing jurisdictional concerns fed vs state. If memory serves me, Byrd(WV) & McCain (AZ)were going back and forth about it with Saxby Chambliss(AL) on Senate’s floor.
Either electronic monitoring upon individuals is a state function or a Federal function and it cannot be both with jurisdiction. That is an overlooked aspect of the database driven infrastructure- the over-running separation of powers doctrine, whereby supervisory responsibility and powers are exercised by both fed and state simultaneously. The issue came to judicial light in the playpen case, where agents co-opted the database with Alabama circuit judge warrant, and exercised the warrant to nab out of state traffic to the database from individuals whose wrongdoing was initially in their home state. The Eff filed Amica in the case.

@Tim in WI:

Either electronic monitoring upon individuals is a state function or a Federal function and it cannot be both with jurisdiction. 

I suggest you do some reading on “dual sovereignty” and how it functions.

I’m certain you won’t find mention dual sovereignty or duty in any part of the constitution. Those doctrines arrived by other means. Yes, the federalist perspective permits it while simultaneously demanding adherence to the Supremacy clause by the states. Ben Franklin had something to say about that. …a republic if you can keep it. Federalism forces all fifty to homogenize but uniformity does not necessarily bend outcome to the actual will of the people. We see the rifts in so many sectors these days conflict is bound to increase

Especially when they start use “sex offenders” for checking the bar for what’s considered punishment.and violating privacy.

If it can be done to some of the people completely absent of due process or intelligent consent or self determination then it can be done to the whole of the people by the same means of production. And as fact, it has been done, and will continue to be done by the same means…….the database.

My gist was the anti-vaxers are actually using sex offenders as a reference point to prove THEIR point of GovCo intrusion, oppression and over-reach on vaccine cards. It backfired on them big time as they found out, but it exposed how society truly is – not me, only thee.

no question there’s similarity in gov imposing upon individual for general welfare of the people. More of the distrust generally rests in big pharma is behind the reluctance of the people to get vaxed imo. Nobody should pretend that bunch can be trueted- see opiate production. The gov aspect is highly dependent upon which general fiat on covid each state administrative branch happens to be enforcing. Individual states may or may not be actually following CDC guideline. Isn’t it interesting how quickly fake covid cards became available online in response to mandates for employment, work etc. Reminds me of some doctors handing out “sick slips” to union organizations workers who were in Madtown (Madison WI) protesting in mass about the adoption of ACT10, which hurt the unions ability to collect fees and dues in from workers in WI. The sick slips are necessary before a worker will be provided the workers with paid sick pay for the lost hours. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! the masses roared through the halls of the capitol.

Colorado Supreme Court makes important ruling on a certain proprietary use of the database.
Colorado supreme court rules three months warrantless video surveillance violates

Taking Video is one thing, storing it is another, utilizing it to peruse for potential violations is another.

A sex offender ID and a vaccination cards are also not really comparable. A vaccination card proves vaccination and you can be either vaccinated or unvaccinated and still choose not to prove it. The general assumption being that until you show the proof, we assume you to be unvaccinated and act accordingly. Otherwise nothing is different. People will CHOOSE to prove vaccination to invalidate the assumption that they are not and showing that proof will be of benefit them. Nobody would ever CHOOSE to provide proof that they are a “Sex Offender”. There would only be negative benefit to doing so. There would be only positive benefit in proving one is not a sex offender if the assumption was that everyone is a sex offender unless proven otherwise but people don’t operate in this manner. Ironically though, the best protection against sex offenses is to assume everyone is a sex offender unless proven otherwise. In any case, the proper comparison would be assuming everyone is a sex offender the same way you would assume one is unvaccinated until they prove otherwise and then ask for such proof to refute.

This actually exposes why registration and marks on IDs are so useless (though vaccination proof is the opposite). To be useful, the prevailing assumption would need to be that everyone is going to commit a sex offense and force them to prove otherwise This is however impossible because lack of a sex offense history proves nothing and assuming everyone is going to be a sex offender would not be useful information. Having the prevailing assumption be that everyone is not a sex offender is even more useless because nobody will choose to prove otherwise. A vaccination proof is different. You are either vaccinated or you are not and the prevailing assumption can be easily proven wrong. If you instead consider risk based on label then you have a grey area for vaccines too but the difference still is that you are proving the risk is mitigated with proof of vaccine. There is no such proof for an ID someone can choose not to produce.

Hmm, I think they are substantially the same. Let’s assume/fantasize that a person that has “sex offender” marked on their DL is dangerous. When places are asking you to show a DL they are looking to see that you do not have the mark of the beast. They are asking you to prove that you are not dangerous. Seems the same as a vaccination card to me. You go to a children’s museum and they don’t know if you are dangerous or not – until you show them your vaccine card and DL.

The problem is, as you said, that information is 100% useless.

It is true, as you said, that “the best protection against sex offenses is to assume everyone is a sex offender unless proven otherwise.” In fact, I’d say that is actually the ONLY protection. Which is exactly why the Oppression Lists (OLs) aren’t needed and they certainly aren’t useful.

I have neighbors and some of them are listed on the big government OLs and some are not. Do you think I make any assumptions about which of them are more dangerous than the others? Hell no, I don’t. I assume that all of them have molested children and might do it again, so I have proper protections. Always. And we know from reality and facts that the OLs obviously have never shown who is dangerous and who isn’t. They are worthless. The DL markings are even dumber.

It’s all just security theater. Designed to placate dumb, lazy, opinionated, entitled, self-righteous people that live in America. Designed to keep the carceral and government businesses big and growing bigger by the day. It is economic churn and that’s it. All those people have to work somewhere and do something.

So today and every day, wage war on the harassers that support the OLs. They are not our fellow citizens or humans

M C – Very good comparison. To elaborate on the assumptions that everyone is a sex offender, one only has to look at all the new sex offenses committed by someone not on the registry. Therefore, statistics should show that everyone is capable of a sex offense, and since they use it against registrants (Static-99R predicting a Sex offender will re-offend), they should also consider it for the average person to be likely to commit a sex offense.

What do they mean not required to carry a branded card? We in Oklahoma have to to have it branded on our drivers license. In big bold red letters “SEX OFFENDER”. Not once but its on the the front in two places!

A branded DL. Man, that’s just insane. What are the scenarios in which the fascist powers that be feel this information would prevent a re-offense? Hotel check in? Package pick up? Bank deposit? Gym membership? Traffic ticket? The list of humiliating circumstances is infinite and they know it. It is intended to demean, punish and oppress, pure and simple. They’d stamp it our foreheads, condemning us deeper into the shadows and off the ledges and rooftops, if they could.

I couldn’t leave that state fast enough.

What does branding licenses of registrants have anything to do with driving? Are people molesting and raping cars now? Geez it’s punishment and pure harassment!!

They are becoming so ridiculous and obsessed with sex offenses and sex offenders aka “forced to register persons”. Maybe, the USA should make sex illegal altogether. It seems like it causes nothing but problems and brings out “criminals” right and left. Make it illegal and be done with it (sarcasm).

What’s next conservation camps for all sex offenders, it’s sad how many people forced to register would line up like cattle on their way to the slaughter house and turn themselves in to local law enforcement agencies just like in the beginning of WW2 .

Good luck

Last edited 29 days ago by AERO1

I really think it depends upon tier level! I

Here in Arizona, we are Required ti get a new DL every year. If you don’t, that’s considered a failure to register which is a Class 4 Felony punishable by 2 years in prison. When I got year-end by this kid with expired plates, as soon as the cop saw my DL he said he wasn’t going to cite the kid. When I asked him why, he said ” you know perfectly well why I’m not going to “. Everyone here knows what the 1 year DLs mean. So there is your ” Scarlet Letter “m

Speaking of ID checks. Does anyone else recognize what a PLC is? A PLC, or parameter limit control, is used by/in machine language to operate-say a milling machine for instance. Anyway, when a parameter limit control is breached or ceases to function the machine will always stop, until the function is restored. This is important to safe system function the same way the prohibitions on congressional use of ex post facto language in laws serve a function in our justice system. Article 1 sec 9-10 and other parts of the constitution are essentially parameter limit controls upon government. Parameter limit controls also accurately describes the general purpose of jurisdictional sovereignty and separation of powers doctrine.

Luckily for the DOJ I’ll be able to petition for removal next year on my birthday. I’ve been working with the Los Angeles public defenders office setting up my petition, they said because I was so young and I’ve never been in any trouble since it’s looking really good for me.
people forced to register who got placed in tier3 for possession of CP or got busted in one of those sting operations should have took to the streets in protest I can’t believe people just rolled over and let the DOJ do them like that.
If I was placed in tier 3 for a crime that didn’t involve an actual victim I would of flipped my lid the DOJ would of been begging me to stop, my name would of been known all over the country I would’ve literally been sitting there side by side with Janice Bellucci and chance and the ACSOL team fighting the good fight, Kamala Harris would’ve had to sit down with me to calm down the peaceful protesters outside of her office.
People forced to register need to stop hideing behind their computer screen waiting on Janice Bellucci to come rescue them people need to start organizing in their communities because People like me won’t be here with you guys forever after im release from the registry I will be forced to move on with my life while you guys are still trapped in this virtual jail cell

Good luck

Last edited 27 days ago by AERO1

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I’ll do it better – I could’ve moved on years ago but I didn’t. And I’m not today.

BTW, I don’t believe in luck and don’t need it. I’ll continue to neutralize the OLs by hard work, intelligence, and brute force. I’ll continue to ensure the OLs deliver negative consequences to all of America. America has vast resources that they can and do use to harm people and PFRs but I’ve proven that they have limitations that I can exploit, I’m smarter and more committed than they are, and in the war between them and me, they lost.

For the people who need it – good luck.

Aero, you make no sense! The DOJ wouldn’t give you the time of day! Plus, if people got nailed in stings? They should have known better! I obtained my COR over 6 months ago/I’m off. I now live in peace. Dept 100 in LA has both a liberal Judge and the DA is Bobby Chen! I strongly advise you (you might be required to write a letter) to take full accountability and not blame anyone else! I was personally informed by the DA that one of the reasons (I never stepped into court) he supported my request was because I took full accountability. Don’t act like a victim. They can make your life miserable. Trust me. Be humble, respectful and do the right thing!

Now Will Alllen cut that out.. or who is tossing sticks and stones at some. Who is labeling who as some oppressive monster. Oppression is a state of mind. Who is labeling who as a “Brood of Vipers” or do we all forget. Sure you are right one can’t force someone to do something and at the same time intimidate by so ruse or crafty means can they. Guess Samson was intimidated than?

Sure I would be against ID’s and yes I would be against Labeling if it was my decision. One wonders should we label all American’s with a label of Justice breakers or should we say bad government produces bad people or oppresses one. Should we say let them eat cake as I mention once on here or is it impossible to have your cake and eat it too?

This special labeling or ID is wrong and government in many ways is playing to the piper in much of this misguided offender ordeal. Sure one can use all the force they want but were does the label of love come in, were does the label of Justice come in, or we all have troubles.

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