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@Mike R
I just finished reading the entire motion.
It’s a masterpiece and a compilation of all of the ways the government and a society driven by irrational fears has deprived us of our Constitutional Rights.
I recommend that every one on here downloads it and either tailors it to their own needs, or gives it to their attorney. Be very careful though, because for many, if not most, this deep dive into Constitutional law is beyond an attorney’s knowledge and experience in spite of what they may tell you. If they try to tell you one of these claims won’t work, make them quote the case law that backs up that claim and research it yourself. I’m serious here. I’ve spent money on some of the best attorneys in the Dallas area and I can guarantee they don’t know enough to handle many of the claims in Mike’s motion.
This motion has grown over the last two years to include some of the best research available on each of the individual motions as discussed on these forums.
My biggest hope is that the first time this motion is reviewed by a judge, that it becomes a newsworthy event and, much like Colorado, has a domino effect of spreading the arguments like wildfire across the country.
Mike R, great job, and please keep us posted here of any timeframes or reactions from the court so we can all learn how this Pro-Se process can work, or what needs to be done differently in the future. You’re our guinea pig here, and for all our sakes I wish you the best of luck at doing what lawyers have not been able to do in decades!!!
Man its happening all over the country …Love it….Don’t understand where all the civil rights Orgs. are in this state. Oh well… Yeah, I have read over my paper copy of my motion. A few typos in the beginning, but otherwise incredible job everyone……Lets see if the ACLU steps up to the plate once this is rolling…If not, I am ready to fight it myself…Watched the Larry Flynn DOC and SCROTUS case over and over again. Love it, lots of inspiration…..
It’s a little old for me to be discussing Packingham now, but I find this interesting and relevant to any current or future registry challenges where the State tries to defend its assertion that its laws are justified due to high recidivism:
Briefing the Supreme Court: Promoting Science or Myth?
By Melissa Hamilton PhD
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2940002
Essentially, the conglomerate of 13 states that filed in support of the North Carolina law banning sex offenders from social media had used irrelevant or incorrect and easily refutable studies to try to essentially “trick” the Justices into ruling in their favor. This is exactly what happened to us in 2002-2003 with McKune V Liles, Smith V Doe, and Connecticut DPS V Doe where no fact checking was one on the “frightening and high” and “80% recidivism” the Solicitor General of the U.S. put forth as justification for Sex Offender laws back then.
I understand that part of the accepted system of justice in our country is that both sides present their side in the best way possible to allow the judiciary to reach a fair conclusion, but shouldn’t there be some consequence or at least acknowledgement when one side purposely uses irrelevant or incorrect data to try and manipulate the judiciary? I would think the Judiciary would take offense to this at some point, but I guess they love the States for giving them the option to rule against sex offenders and can later point the blame toward the states providing false information.
I would like to call everyone’s attention to LifeTimes, a magazine which has much helpful and supportive information. It’s rather on the positive side of dealing with the reality of the registry, rather than focusing on legislative/legal strategies for ending it, which may seem Pollyannaish to some, but we have to survive in the meantime (until liberation comes).
LifeTimes is a lifestyle magazine designed to share stories, ideas, thoughts, suggestions, and information about how to prosper in life despite the adversity of the registry. The goal is not to diminish the impact of what was done, nor to complain about the negative consequences of being on a registry. Instead, we recognize that being on a registry presents serious challenges, and that many people have found ways to overcome those challenges.
We begin with a fundamental belief that everyone, including those who have broken some of our most serious social norms and laws, deserves the chance to find joy and happiness in their lives once they have paid their debt to society. Our target audience includes people who live under the burden of public registries, either directly or as the result of being close to someone who is on a registry.
Each issue will include features highlighting those who have prospered in their job, found meaningful relationships, started their own businesses, and found a sense of peace in their lives. In addition, we will provide practical information that anyone can use as they seek to rebuild their lives and move forward, including sections on Arts & Entertainment, Technology, Culinary, Higher Education, Sexuality, Religion, and more. We’ll also include information about local and state-by-state support organizations and events.
Here’s the link to see a sample issue and subscribe:
http://www.lifetimesmagazine.org/lifetimes.html
I would like to start a mini-thread to discuss the merits of putting together a case to challenge the registry in California, similar to the way the registry was challenged in Colorado. To be emphatically clear, I don’t want to interfere nor otherwise influence what Janice, Chance, and the other professionals are doing for registrants in California, and in fact they are actively determining the merits of constructing such a case in the same manner, then I would love to hear someone chime in with it. I hate reinventing the wheel.
The optimal result would be to render a decision so substantially in our favor it would supplement the Colorado decision, strengthening the likelihood that a case could be heard regarding the legality of the registry at the US Supreme Court.
On that note, my idea would be to make the same approach as Colorado: First, find four or five registrants who have been clearly impacted with the registry, preferably anyone who has a document trail of registration requirements that, under Mendoza-Martinez thresholds, render the registry punitive.
These four or five registrants would ideally:
• Off paper (not under court supervision)
• Listed on the Internet (preferably with full address, though just zip code is ok)
• One-time offenders with no other offense of any type
• Sex crime was not violent
• Sex crime was not committed against prepubescent children, either physically nor digitally or through images
All registrants must be available for court-related appearances and dispositions as necessary. The case should be filed through Federal Court to maximize the chances of being tied in with Colorado’s decision.
Again, let me repeat: This is NOT a supplement nor even a course of action to actually undertake. This would be more of a way to discuss particular issues, what is needed, citations, etc, etc, etc.
Then if anyone really wants to join, we can discuss this more thoroughly in a private collaboration client such as Slack, where citations and whatnot can be exchanged as well as chat and messaging. Finally, we we get anything substantial, we can forward the results to ACSOL leadership and see what the best course of action would prevail.
Thanks for your time, and would love to hear ideas on moving forward. I would respectfully state that the discussion be limited to actual substantive suggestions, and refrain from just offering oneself as a plaintiff at this point, as this is only to be done as “working research” more than an actual petition.
hello everyone,
I have a question, I know no body here is a lawyer, and I am not looking for legal advice, just curious on what everyone’s opinion is to my question so here it is in a nutshell, I hope I say it clear enough.
When Snyder gets heard on th 25th, and whether they take it, deny it, or just plan don’t discuss it. so if they deny it, and Michigan Ohio, Tenn. and KY and OH. win, and they do take it, and we ALL eventually win, does anyone know or have an idea, on whether we will be able to sue our individual states that we live in, specially thougth’s of us that have been on the stupid thing since the early 90’s. Also for those of us here that live in Michigan and any other states that may have done this as well.
For Example, we here in Michigan had our registration dates changed to our conviction dates, so if or should I say when we WIN, will they move our registration dates back to the original date. again example mine went from 12-15-95 to my conviction date of 6-19-92, which means I am currently past my original 25 years, but if they move it back to 1995 then I would have to wait till 2020. unless they remove me completely since I was never told by a judge I had to register, because well Michigan did not have a registry at the time, and my Judge is now retired 2007. Does any one have an idea or opinion on how this might play out when all is said and done. Thanks in advance.
I guess these guys haven’t scan these threads or noticed that collaborations that they are talking about to create a rock solid, masterpiece of a motion has already happened and is now in the federal district court for the eastern district of CA…The clerk wouldn’t give me a time frame or even an estimate. He said the judge has to approve my fee waiver first, which he said can take a couple weeks, and then it depends on the complexity of the issues, and the merits…I don’t know exactly why the merits of the issues have anything to do with the timing, but thats what he told me….
Hello miss Horowitz……
My name is Michael Richardson, I am emailing you in regards to some of your research on sex-offender registration laws throughout this country. I am in Sacramento, CA and have filed a Pro Se motion in the Federal District Court for the Eastern District of CA yesterday. I could not find any attorneys or civil rights org. to assist me so I have created my own filing with the collaboration from a few others.
The reason I am emailing you is that I want to know if you would read the following DOC (motion) that I filed and give me some feedback, and that when this comes up for further proceedings if you would be willing to provide some type of documentation on your research, and empirical evidence, as well as provide an expert witness statement if it becomes necessary? I would, of course, not be able to compensate you, as I explain in my motion that I do not have unlimited disposable income available to me. If you can please take the time to read and digest what I have created in my Doc. I would be forever grateful. I know it is an arduous read, but I think you will find it extremely interesting. I look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you for your time.
Michael.
Same thing to Miss Carpenter.
I need to comment on numerous internet news articles that affect my status as a registered sex offender, but I’m not allowed by State law & by Facebook policy, to have a Facebook profile. A Facebook profile, is the Only way for one to join in on the comments section of these internet news articles. What should I do?
Here’s a paper from 2011 (updated from 2009 publishing) promoting the idea that what’s going on right now is quite similar to the (failed) War on Drugs: “The Emerging Criminal War on Sex Offenders”(https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1456042)
There are some very good points made, and some of the statements are eerily accurate when you change the drug-related phrases and words for SO-related ones.
Here’s an overlooked tidbit from the Smith Opinion: “Whether other constitutional objections can be raised to a mandatory reporting requirement, and how those questions might be resolved, are concerns beyond the scope of this opinion.”
This seems similar to the phrase in CT DPS that has been lying there, long dormant and begging attention. Well, SCOTUS has such “objections” awaiting in Snyder and Muniz!
Here’s another decent, and recent, paper addressing SORAs: “Sex Offender Registration and Notification” (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2930663)
What I found to be one of the most remarkable statements from the paper was this quote (from a cited source): “[R]esearch has highlighted another, more structural way in which SORN might foster a false sense of community safety. The concern is most evident with offense-based classification regimes, used in most states and urged by the federal government in the Adam Walsh Act (2006). In a recent study, registrants in New York, which classifies registrants in terms of individual risk, were instead classified under the AWA’s offense-based approach. Researchers discovered that registrants classified as low-risk under the AWA actually sexually offended at higher rates than those classified as moderate- or high-risk under New York’s regime. Summarizing their results, the authors stated that the offense-based approach: may give community members a false sense of security. That is, community members may believe they are safe if no Tier 3 offenders are residing in their neighborhood when, in fact, Tier 3 offenders are not at increased risk to reoffend. As such, [the AWA] appears unable to accurately identify high-risk offenders and,
therefore, increase public safety.”
I can only say, “wow.” Anyone who says offense-based tiers work needs to learn otherwise.
Man I am reworking our motion so I can file it in CA superior court as well. I don’t know if I am supposed to have two suits about the same issues in process at the same time, but I see no reason why not. I am not being lumped in with the tier three offenders at any cost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I WILL NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@AlexO:
I’m not sure if you’ve seen this article before: “The Death of the Static-99” (http://ssrn.com/abstract=2239089).
You seem to be the resident expert about it, so I thought perhaps you’d like this. I read it, but it didn’t mean a whole lot to me. (Also, it has some typos, and could use some commas!)
Mike R << here is a great report you can use on your motion for cruel and unsual punishment! This report has documented the murders and assaults of people on the registry. Might be a good read for those wanting to add immunitions to their cases! https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2017/may/5/vigilantes-assault-rob-and-murder-registered-sex-offenders/
Questions for those who have received early probation termination in California (LA county)… I am coming up on my halfway point on October 15. I know it’s recommended to wait longer but I really want to give it a shot.
When can I start the process? Is there enough prep work that I should be contacting a lawyer now to be ready to file on October 15 or is it quick that I can wait until closer to that date?
How long does the process take once filed? Is there any chance of being off before Halloween? Ideally I’d like to avoid what happened last year when probation officers with guns drawn banged on my door with only my teenage daughter in the house. And all just to deliver the “don’t celebrate Halloween” notice.
Thanks.
I waited before responding to some of the angry responses to my comment about taking responsibility for our actions because I know better than to engage a person when they are angry. Just FYI I am a 220 and will be required to register for life if the new bill becomes law. My comment had nothing to do with the new bill and everything to do with how we deal with our emotions. I’ve been on the registry for 24 years and lost a lot but I never bow down or lay down. I move forward to the best of my ability in spite of wearing the scarlet letter on my forehead and I couldn’t have survived for 24 years had I not managed my anger and stayed focused on surviving. So no, I don’t know you and my comment was not satire or taken from a text book. It comes from 24 years of experience as a registered sex offender.
Being angry with me for stating the truth about what I hear from some (not all) on this site serves no purpose. Passion is great but should be tempered or it’s just anger disguised as being a good soldier. I have made several comments on this site and none of them supports continued abuse for anyone who has served their time for the crime they committed. Of course the registry should be dismantled; but until the U.S. Supreme Court finds the registries unconstitutional it doesn’t matter how loud we scream about the ruling in Colorado because in California we still have a registry; and in my case I’m on it for life.
As always I only speak for me and I always make that clear when commenting.
I waited before responding to some of the angry responses to my comment about taking responsibility for our actions because I know better than to engage a person when they are already in a fighting mood. Just FYI, I am a 220 and will be required to register for life if the new bill becomes law. My position has always been let’s take what we can get out of the Legislature and fight in court for the rest. I’m a “Lifer” either way. But my recent comment had nothing to do with the new bill and everything to do with how we deal with our emotions.
I’ve been on the registry for 24 years and I lost a lot, so I understand where the feelings come from but I never bow down or lay down and I do not get angry about it anymore. I move forward to the best of my ability in spite of wearing the scarlet letter on my forehead and I couldn’t have survived for 24 years had I not managed my anger and stayed focused on surviving. So no, I don’t know you and my comment was not satire or taken from a text book. It comes from 24 years of experience as a registered sex offender. But it’s also true that yes, I am a Counselor of 16 years so some of that will always be a part of me and what I say.
Being angry with me for stating the truth about what I hear from some (not all) on this site serves no purpose. Passion is great but it should be tempered or it’s just anger disguised as being a good soldier. I have made several comments on this site and none of them supports continued abuse for anyone who has served his or her time for the crime they committed. Of course the registry should be dismantled; but until the U.S. Supreme Court finds the registries unconstitutional it doesn’t matter how loud we scream about the ruling in Colorado because in California we still have a registry; and in my case I’m on it for life.
As always I only speak for me and I always make that clear when commenting.
You make some good points and apparently aren’t saying we should lay down and accept the registry and its constant devolution.
Over all, I agree, and try to obey a rule of thumb I made for myself: Always argue as if arguing before a judge that can make the final decision. I try to keep to this standard anywhere the subject comes up.
That means, trying to stick to the evidence and facts. Trying to remain respectful enough to be heard and taken seriously. Listening to counter arguments as a means to strengthening my own.
Watch a few videos of the various Supreme Courts and you, general you, will see how the judges challenge and play devil’s advocate, even if agreeing with the argument. They try to anticipate the other side and get to it first. They all stay rational and try to stay calm, even though some lawyers before the court are obviously nervous as hell.
Calm, deliberate and informed with facts of the law, the courts or science. Those are our three weapons. Pick one and try to get good at it.
So, that’s my game plan and I think, and hope, it is more productive than ranting, which I would love to do often, and do do, inside my own head.
Registry of violence against RCs
https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2017/may/5/vigilantes-assault-rob-and-murder-registered-sex-offenders/
Great info for cases going forward
(Not sure if this has been posted before here, but I see some Mike r listed in his motion)
We already have that here in CA. We also have a drug offender registry.
I just received this forwarded from Mary Sue of Texas Voices and thought you all may be interested:
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Just received this appellate court decision from a contact in Illinois. Although this ruling affects only those in Illinois, it is refreshing to see that some judges are actually getting it.
This ruling came from the same appellate court that found the park restrictions to be unconstitutional (that case is pending appeal to the IL Supreme Court):
http://www.illinoiscourts.gov/Opinions/AppellateCourt/2017/3rdDistrict/3150154.pdf
Justice McDade said this which I think many of you will appreciate:
“I am compelled to express my concern that an increasingly restrictive SORA has moved in a direction that is at odds with not only the basic foundational principles of our constitution: that all individuals, including those who have committed a crime and served their sentence, should be afforded the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but also with such basic rights of citizenship as equal access to the benefits and services supported by their taxes and the fair representation of their elected officials. In sum, I believe the legislature has failed to equitably balance the various human interests impacted by SORA. As it stands, SORA fails to consider reasonable interests which an offender who has completed the sentence the legislature deemed sufficient, especially one who is unlikely to reoffend, has in resuming a normal family and work life.”
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This is a favorite of mine, and exactly what i have been saying. We as tax paying citizens have a right to all the public places that our tax dollars have gone to create and maintain. I love it when my logic is confirmed by others, especially judges, and our basic right to fair representation, which no politician represents our best interest.
“but also with such basic rights of citizenship as equal access to the benefits and services supported by their taxes and the fair representation of their elected officials.”
I wonder how these 11 (!) mayors voted or supported increasingly harsh sex offender penalties and registries during the course of their political careers?
http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/13/at-least-11-mayors-accused-of-child-sex-related-crimes-since-2016/
Another terrific piece from Reason Magazine and Elizabeth Nolan Brown:
“Bad Science Behind Campus-Rape Guidance Echoes ’80s Trauma Myths”
The “neurobiology of trauma” on campus is based more on social-justice goals than science. We’ve been here before.
Elizabeth Nolan Brown|Sep. 12, 2017 2:50 pm
http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/12/neurobiology-of-trauma