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It has to be time to quit playing whack-a-mole soon with all of these laws against sex offenders. As shown in IL, even things that should be a slam dunk are lost.
As long as these ridiculous laws against sex offenders are deemed OK by courts, then perhaps attacking inclusion on a registry as a Substantive Due Process violation is becoming the way to go. After all, the courts are making decisions that legislature is allowed to pass any law they want to against “sex offenders” and calling it rational because the class know as “sex offenders” are rationally expected to be dangerous and recidivate. So isn’t the way to attack that to say that the average “sex offender” did not get adequate “substantive due process” to be labelled as someone that recieves that long list of restrictions and violations of liberty?
I think as long as courts think any law saving children is ok to any extent, then we must challenge inclusion on that list and not the consequences of being on it. In that case, add more crazy stuff to the restrictions and make the case easier that most registrants shouldn’t be on it.
I am actually looking for the original briefs that were filed in the district courts in both Millard and Snyder. Any help people???????????
Sexual Offender Laws and Prevention of Sexual Violence or Recidivism
Am J Public Health. 2010 March; 100(3): 412–419.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2820068/
Plethora of sources (78 specifically) quoted and referenced from this March 2010 study to use in battling Megan’s Law, registry, etc. I have not seen this mentioned here previously, but not saying it has not where it was missed.
Some good paragraphs to debate the unreported stats in addition to recedivism scare tactics, etc.
Latest SMART office SORNA progress check of all 50 states as of Apr 5, 2018: https://www.smart.gov/pdfs/SORNA-progress-check.pdf & https://smart.gov/sorna-map.htm
What do you think?? I am filing this tomorrow or the next day before the judge has a chance to rule on my screwed up request for judicial notice that I filed in my objections. I include ONLY gov docs so I think this is solid. If you have any GOV docs that I haven’t included throw them back at me….Although I hate the saying:I think this could be a game changer.
https://ufile.io/piuig
I do not know why no one has done this already, if I am correct it seals the deal man………..
Oh yeah people, I have my first win.
They admit to subject matter jurisdiction…
Defendant concedes the Court has subject matter jurisdiction to resolve Plaintiff’s challenges to California statutes: (1) SORA (Penal Code § 290, et seq.); (2) Megan’s Law Internet Website (Penal Code § 290.46).
“Neither the motion to dismiss or the Magistrate Judge’s ruling applies to the Court’s
jurisdiction to resolve Plaintiff’s challenges to California statutes: the Sex Offender Registration
Act (SORA) or Megan’s Law.” (See page 1 at 18-20 Defendants Response to Plaintiff’s Objections to MFR).
Well, here is what I am going to file right now. Lets see what they think about this…
https://ufile.io/hlboe
I guess it does not really matter now since it is going to be filed but I would still like to know what you people think….
Filed, and thanks I will use every loophole, rule, or benefit of being Pro Se in every-way possible. I think they are going to like what I just filed………….And yes Subject Matter Jurisdiction is the first score on the board. Let’s hope the score stays in my favor….Feels good to score the first points though….
I think in whatever I file next I am going to point out how embarrassing and ridiculous this entire situation actually is considering all the relevant facts. It is absolutely absurd for the courts to support such legislation considering all the relevant evidence. The courts should however be “VERY” upset that the solicitor general and all the proponents of these laws have manipulated and misinformed the court, and the public, about the actual danger posed by registered sex offenders and has managed to infect an entire field of law for decades based on those false declarations that the proponents knew all along were false as far back as 1994 according to the AG’s own citation. Legislation must not be a perfect fit but it cannot be based on fabricated and falsified information and it must be rational which the current system is far from.
RMJ, Thank you but you really only need to look at this one: https://ufile.io/n9ykm Please take a moment to do so.
It addresses several of your points. For one thing, the letter “R” CAN be worn by anyone who is opposed to the Registry, not just Registrants (Registry, Resist, Reform, Repeal, etc.). This badge clearly can be worn by anyone who finds the Registry repulsive, not just Registrants. PLUS, the American flag IS in this version albeit in an allusory and more abstract form but it is clearly there. I think many have grown inured, by now, to the trite red circle with the diagonal bar symbol. I wanted something that conveyed the horror of the Registry, which I feel this design achieves. Thanks for taking note of this project!
Wow, for once Reichsfuhrer Sessions has done something beneficial, though accidentally and only out of spite towards Sanctuary Cities: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2018/04/17/sessions-punishes-everyone
From reading this, I can only surmise the money for “compliance checks” is (at least temporarily) dried up. Pardon me while I go wipe that tear from my eye…
Reading Gorsuch’s concurring Opinion from Sessions v. Dimaya (https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/15-1498_1b8e.pdf or for truncated reading: https://reason.com/volokh/2018/04/17/crossover-sensation-neil-gorsuch), I found some of his references heartening. Perhaps I was reading things into them, but his listing of a number of ‘”civil” penalties’ (quotes in original) makes me think he doesn’t like them. (Why else would he list them in an Opinion?)
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Today’s “civil” penalties include confiscatory rather than compensatory fines, forfeiture provisions that allow homes to be taken, remedies that strip persons of their professional licenses and livelihoods, and the power to commit persons against their will indefinitely. Some of these penalties are routinely imposed and are routinely graver than those associated with misdemeanor crimes— and often harsher than the punishment for felonies.
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Hear hear, Justice Gorsuch! Too many of us, not just RCs, are living proof of penalties “harsher than the punishment for felonies.”
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I also liked his discussion of Due Process. What I gleaned is that he’s a proponent of stronger DP rights for the citizen, regardless of whether a law is civil or criminal. As I say, I may be reading things into his words, but I hope not! Though the case was a vagueness challenge, and seemingly an easy one (though 5-4 indicates otherwise), to me it shows he’s wary of government and Congress willy-nilly tossing out laws for judges (and perhaps the US AG regarding IML?? 🙂 ) to figure out. Let’s hope so.
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Finally, I have to say I find his writing style quite dry and awkward. I’m certainly not the first to say he’s no Scalia when it comes to prose. But he can write in Greek with a yellow crayon for all I care, as long as he’s being a non-partisan Justice.
Look at this people, residency restrictions in all but name. I have been telling people that this was going to happen for a while now. Without a ruling from the court stating that residency restrictions are unconstitutional for NON-Parolees then these scu&^$%bags are going to exploit the opportunity to boost their agendas and votes. They are doing it by proxy and not using law enforcement as a way to circumvent any challenges to such a law. And it WILL work since it will be landlords and potential sellers that make the cal and not police….WOW and this is the first I have heard of this proposed legislation in CA. AJ look how this will be preventing subject matter jurisdiction maybe since it will not be any of the AG’s minions enforcing this…..
“Our first opportunity is in Sacramento on April 24 when the Senate Public Safety Committee will consider Senate Bill 1143. If passed, that bill would require registrants convicted of an offense involving a minor to disclose their status as a registrant to potential landlords as well as to home sellers if the property is within one-quarter mile of a school or a park. The penalty for not making such a disclosure is that the landlord could break a lease or the home seller could break a home sales contract.”
I am getting pretty adept at this legal jargon and I cannot see any way of challenging this since they are bypassing subject matter jurisdiction so unless the courts are willing to consider these factors under the Mendoza-Martinez factors we are burnt………
Yeah that is a great statement by Gorsuch. Very encouraging really, now only if the rest of the justices follow that logic.
Mike R or anyone else who can help (Chris F, AJ, NPS, AlexO, etc…),
I’m going to try to take PC 290.007 down this summer, hopefully.
PC 290.007
Date enacted: 2007
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Any person required to register pursuant to any provision of the Act shall register in accordance with the Act, regardless of whether the person’s conviction has been dismissed pursuant to Section 1203.4 , unless the person obtains a certificate of rehabilitation and is entitled to relief from registration pursuant to Section 290.5
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I think I can file under “writ of prohibition”, but going this route only attacks the lower court decision. I don’t exactly know what to file.
Here’s what I have so far to refute PC 290.007, negating recipients of 1203.4 who are registrants:
1. Kelly v Municipal Court
Link: https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/2d/160/38.html
Date enacted: 1958
…. Court says that PC 290 doesn’t apply to registrants who qualify and successfully completed their probation to earn 1203.4.
2. Abbott v City of Los Angeles
Link: https://law.justia.com/cases/california/supreme-court/2d/53/674.html
Petition: Action for Declaratory Relief, and injunction
…. Court states ordinance for registration is unconstitutional with respect to 1203.4 as it conflicts with decision by Kelly v Municipal AND lack of knowledge (non PC 290 registration).
3. Lambert v Municipal Court
Link: https://scocal.stanford.edu/opinion/lambert-v-municipal-court-26996
Petition: Writ of Prohibition
…. Court re-affirms an ordinance for registration is unconstitutional via Abbott v City of Los Angeles.
Huh… I guess the petition should be Declarative Relief? I could use feed back on the brainstorming process. PC 290.007 conflicts with Kelly v Municipal. I’ll provide US and California Constitutions were violated, but if you read “Abbott v City of Los Angeles”, then you’ll discover the Court doesn’t venture into other violated constitutions. The Court stopped once they agreed that the ordinance was in conflict with “Kelly v Municipal”.
Thanks for any feed back.
absolutely insane and I hope Janice or some attorney jumps on this using Re Taylor. Watch and mark my words next is presence prohibitions as soon as they figure out a way to survive and around the courts.
See In re Taylor, (Cal. 2015) where the California Supreme Court struck down California voter approved sex offender residency restrictions as applied to parolees situated in San Diego county. The Court record is replete of evidence documenting and articulating the vast extent of banishment those individuals were facing. The Court determined that the statute left over 90% of San Diego county housing opportunities off-limits, completely undermining the rehabilitation process and lacking any rational relationship to public safety. Since the Court only addressed that narrow issue concerning parolees, the Court did not directly address whether residency laws apply to non-parolees, but more importantly for this case, is the In Re Taylor decision does not prevent the local municipalities from enacting their own restrictions which have made literally thousands of communities off limits to Plaintiff. That is the classic definition of Banishment. Just because the public are not burning Plaintiff’s residence down (yet) and dragging him tarred and feathered to the city borders and ordering him never return does not mean that Plaintiff does not suffer banishment.
As well, the Court in In Re Taylor did not address presence restrictions and safety zones which further pushes Plaintiff to the fringes of society and in many instances causes total Banishment from places such as parks, libraries, beaches, movie theatres, places of worship, and many other public and non-public locations where “children may congregate.”
Here’s an interesting podcast: CATO Daily Podcast. Look for the recent episode entitled “Void for Vagueness”. Definitely worth listening to. I think you’ll hear a lot of good arguments that could be applied to the Registries. (At least, I noted numerous similarities ….. so there is hope!)
“Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office using “eyes” to track sex offenders, criminals”
I had to read this one twice to make sure that it was not a parody.
“The biometric iris system takes a photo of the individual’s eye, then stores their information a national registry. This allows agencies around the country to pinpoint a true person’s identity in just seconds.”
http://abc3340.com/news/local/jefferson-county-sheriffs-office-using-eyes-to-track-sex-offenders-criminals
Doing light research work still about 1203.4 and “Kelly v Municipal”, I stumbled upon this Santa Clara Review of cases in 1984, Link: https://digitalcommons.law.scu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1958&context=lawreview
It’s reviewed re: Reed case, 290 is cruel and unusual punishment for a misdemeanant sex offender. Also, it found the registry to be punitive via the seven M-M factors. Here’s the conclusion to that review:
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CONCLUSION
Reed has firmly established the Mendoza-Martinez factors in
California law as the composite test for determining what is punishment
and the Lynch technique for inquiring whether a disproportionality
exists between a crime and its punishment.
Reed, through application of the Mendoza-Martinez factors,
held that section 290 registration of section 647(a) offenders is punishment
in the constitutional sense. In discussing whether the sanction
involved an affirmative disability or restraint, the Reed court
pursued a generalized analysis rather than one that focused specifically
on the individual petitioner. The court’s use of the historical
Mendoza-Martinez factors led to the conclusion that section 290 was
a constitutionally suspect punitive measure. The court found that all
of the other Mendoza-Martinez factors, considered separately and
collectively, indicated that section 290 was a punishment within the
constitutional meaning.
Under the Lynch proportionality analysis, the Reed court found
the nature of the section 647(a) offense/offender to be a minor danger.
Under the intrajurisdictional comparison inquiry, other more
serious crimes in California were found to be punished less severely.
Under the interjurisdictional comparison, California’s statute was
found to be the most severe of a group of similar statutes from other
states. This analysis resulted in the Reed court holding that section
290 registration for section 647(a) misdemeanants was cruel or unusual
punishment because the punishment was found to be grossly
disproportionate to the crime.
As is illustrated in Reed, the Lynch test maintains a place in
assuring the proportionality between crime and punishment, even after
being tempered by the cases which followed it. Reed further suggests
that the standard of review to be applied in California examinations
of proportionality is the intensified rational basis model, an
appropriate one for the aims of the proportionality analysis, but one
which requires a clearer statement by the California courts.
Denise M. DeRose
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The case review is the last case in the link. The CA courts went through the Medoza-Martinez factors and founded 290 to be punishment. Here’s a quote that might help push back on 290 as a whole:
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In examining the second Mendoza-Martinez factor, the Reed
court found that the sex offender registration “may not have historically
been regarded as punishment,” but that this fact was not dispositive.
9 Relying on Trop v. Dulles,”0 the court denied that the
government had the power to devise any punishment within its imagination,
and asserted that “any technique outside the bounds of
traditional penalties is constitutionally suspect.”3 The Reed court
asserted that the fact that a sanction does not fall within the historical
definition of punishment indicates not only that the sanction is
punishment, but that it is constitutionally suspect punishment.
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I want to re-emphasize “any technique outside the bounds of traditional penalties is constitutionally suspect.”
Registration is a technique outside the bounds of traditional penalties. This re: Reed case was reviewed in 1983 (the case initially was started in 1979, so the case was passed between the two dates). 290 was viewed as punishment by CA courts. Since 2003 Smith v Doe declared sex offender registration ‘not punishment’, then what is being applied to every CA 290 registrant today are ‘techniques outside the bounds of traditional penalties’ being imposed upon a free CA citizen. In other words, registrants are enrolled into compulsory service after completing their punishment custody by the State of Ca.
People only think 290 is registration and re-registration. It isn’t. It’s more. You are under police surveillance every single minute you belong to the registry. You are subject to a police inquiry, round-up, or line-up because you belong to the registry, as stated by Kelly v Municipal (1958) and re: Reed (1983). But in today’s era, there are more regulations, restrictions, and regulations ‘outside the bounds of traditional penalties’ imposed upon today’s registrants.
Remember, 2003 Smith v Doe re-wrote that the sex registry was not punishment. In re: Reed, before the 2003 Smith v Doe decision, it deemed the sex registry to be ‘constitutionally suspect punishment’.
** 13th Amendment, US Constitution:
“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
** Section 6 of Article 1, CA Constitution:
“Slavery is prohibited. Involuntary servitude is prohibited except to punish crime.”
Involuntary servitude is compelled service, or compulsory service, compulsory duty.
In jail, you do as you’re told. On parole/probation, you do as you’re told and are subject to any regulations, restrictions, and reporting. Those are punishments levied upon a convicted person. In both cases, a convict is under custody of the state. Once a convict is no longer under custody, then the state can no longer dictate what a person can do as they are now free from their punishment after serving their punishment. Unless you’re a registrant.
If you read PC 290, then you’ll see it’s a “duty to register” phrased used often.
As a registrant, you’re still in custody of the State of California as easily denoted by your Registration Identification Card by the State of California. As a free California citizen, you’re subjected to surveillance, regulations, restrictions, and in-person reporting, which includes taking a picture (mug shots) and fingerprinting (mug prints). It is a ‘duty’ for free California citizen who register to comply to the surveillance, regulation, restrictions, and in-person reporting with all 290 items. As a free California citizen who registers, any refusal to the subjected surveillance, regulations, restrictions, and in-person reporting is designated a criminal act.
Comparatively, any other free California citizen are not subjected to imposed duties, such as 290 surveillance, regulations, restrictions, and in-person reporting nor are they criminalized for refusing the state of California for these “additional duties/services”.
The registry was born out of conviction. Only punishment is a legal form of involuntary servitude as one loses their rights as they’re under custody of the state. Once out of custody from the state, an individual regains their rights as their service to the state of California has terminated. They no longer are compelled to serve the state as they’ve completed their punishment custody.
The Sex Offender Registration Identification Card is evidence that a California citizen, though no longer under punishment custody, remains in custody of the State of California. That Registration Card states this California citizen “must” comply with surveillance, regulations, restrictions, and in-person reporting; any refusal will be deemed a criminal act and punished. This ‘duty’ must be complied with for the entirety of a person’s life. This ‘duty’ is not punishment. Megan’s law in California specifically states it is a ‘duty to register’.
The state or nation can compel a convicted person to do duties required within the punishment levied. Any technique compelling a free citizen to a service or duty with the exception of punishment levied upon a convicted person is prohibited. Thus, making the registry scheme unconstitutional as per the 13th Amendment of the US Constitution and section 6 of Article 1 of the California Constitution as the registry has been deemed not punishment.
++++++++++++++++++++ Registration Tool Ineffective ++++++++++++++++++
From the same Review paper:
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The majority examined the sixth and seventh Mendoza-Martinez
factors together. The Reed court found that an alternate nonpunitive
purpose for the statute existed, namely as a law enforcement
tool. 8 Usually, if a rational connection can be found between a
statute and a non-punitive purpose, the statute will not be held to be
punitive. 9 Here, however, the justices balanced the non-punitive
purpose against the harshness of the statute’s effect. The court reasoned
that even though section 290 registration served a non-punitive
purpose,4 the fact that the registration was an ineffective law enforcement
tool invalidated this purpose in reference to the MendozaMartinez
test. Thus, in light of the statute’s harsh effects, the court
found that the registration statute was punitive under the last factor.
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See Reed, 33 Cal. 3d at 922 n.7, 663 P.2d at 219 n.7, 191 Cal. Rptr. at 661 n.7 for
a discussion of the inefficiency of § 290 registration as a law enforcement tool.
So if anyone wanted to see how Reed’s proved the tool was ineffective, I gave the info. But since the 2003 Smith v Doe decision stated the registry isn’t punitive, it’s going to be an uphill battle. So who’s correct? The CA Courts (as per re: Reed) or the Supreme Court (2003 Smith v Doe).
+++++++++ update on my research about 1203.4 +++++++++
In re: Reed (1983 or thereabouts), 1203.4 still removes you from the registry. Megan’s law was passed in 1994. PC 290.007 was passed in 2007. I’m still working my way up to 2007, but I haven’t stumbled upon any case that overturns the Kelly v Municipal decision until PC 290.007 says to “disregard” the 1203.4 immunity.
If anyone spots a case overturning “kelly v municipal” between 1984 and 2007, then please do share the info. As of right now, I haven’t discovered any cases overturning “kelly v municipal”. That means “kelly v municipal” should still hold as law. (BTW, when Kelly v Municipal was passed, the registry was deemed non-punitive in 1958. In re: Reed 1983, the registry was then deemed punishment. So Kelly v Municipal should still be upheld even after the 2003 Smith v Doe decision…. or at least I hope so.)
If you are registered in your home state and FLA, the FLA Action Committee is looking for out of state people who registered in FLA and then went back home or moved out of state to join their lawsuit against FLA. (https://narsol.org/category/advocacy/)
Man anyone that files in CA state court with any type of cognizable arguments will win hands down. Just as Alaska’s was won hands down despite Smith. I would have filed in state court but that would limit the scope of the decision to only those in CA whereas my suit will set precedent for many future suits in and out of CA.
New Person you are getting pretty good at this keep it up and you will be ready for your 1203.4 suit……
Thought I would throw this on general.
https://ufile.io/vbuxv
Discovery for status conference on May 16…
If it’s good case law (especially one that establishes precendent), it doesn’t really matter how old it is.
My apologies for not getting back to you sooner. I’ve been really busy as of late, especially since my professor hired me to be his legal assistant. (I now have 2 jobs). I have access to Westlaw. I’ll do some research over the weekend and get back to you on Monday.
You are absolutely right NPS. I am sure any help New Person can get with research would be great, I would love to help more but man I am swamped with my case and school and life but I will try and throw my two cents in whenever I can.
New Person here is the Sac pleading paper all you have to do is use this and put your info in. Piece of cake…
https://ufile.io/h995h
I would stick with state court if I were you since the state constitution offers more protection and a decision from the state supreme court can be reversed by the feds but it will still not affect the state decision..Just as the Alaska case where they person filed in fed court which was reversed by Smith as we all know and they had to turn around and file in state court anyways where they did get relief. I kind of wished I would have started in the state but my issues are different than what you are going to bring and I want to get relief for as many as possible which is what will happen if I win in fed court and I can always go back and file with a hands down easy win in state court which will give me relief anyways but only from CA registration.