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From what I am reading OI could just walk in to court and say Booker give me a jury and be done with it but nonetheless I will continue on my path and here is just another tidbit of case law out of about ten pages I have now….This is the last I will post of these lengthy post unless I find something else incredibly relevant such as the Booker case…….

Statutes that trench on fundamental liberties, like *527 those affecting significantly the structure of our government, are not entitled to the same presumption of constitutionality we normally accord legislation. Moore v. East Cleveland, 431 U. S. 494, 499 (1977). The burden of justification is reversed; the burden rests upon government, not on the individual whose liberties are affected, to justify the measure. Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, 431 U. S. 209, 263-264 (1977) (POWELL, J., concurring in judgment). We recently reaffirmed the standard of review in such cases as one of “exacting scrutiny.”
“We long have recognized that significant encroachments on First Amendment rights of the sort that compelled disclosure imposes cannot be justified by a mere showing of some legitimate governmental interest …. [W]e have required that the subordinating interests of the State must survive exacting scrutiny.” Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U. S., at 64.

Constitutional analysis must, of course, take fully into account the nature of the Government’s interests underlying challenged legislation. Once those interests are identified, we must then focus on the nature of the individual interests affected by the statute. Id., at 14-15. Finally, we must decide whether the Government’s interests are of sufficient weight to subordinate the individual’s interests, and, if so, whether the Government has nonetheless employed unnecessarily broad means for achieving its purposes. Lamont v. Postmaster General, 381 U. S. 301, 310 (1965) (BRENNAN, J., concurring).

And, MR. JUSTICE MARSHALL in Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 U. S.618, 634 (1969), stated that when “fundamental” rights are at stake, such as the “right to travel,” government must demonstrate a “compelling” interest, not merely a “rational relationship between [the underlying statute] and [the] . . . admittedly permissible state objectives ….”

the Government has nonetheless failed to choose narrowly tailored means of carrying out its purposes so as not unnecessarily to invade important First and Fourth Amendment liberties. The Court demanded no less in Buckley v. Valeo, and nothing less will do here. Cf. Hynes v. Mayor of Oradell, 425 U. S. 610, 620 (1976).

To the contrary, he said flatly: “It would be archaic to limit the definition of punishment to `retribution.'” Indeed, he expressly noted that bills of attainder had historically been enacted for regulatory or preventive purposes.
“Historical considerations by no means compel restriction of the bill of attainder ban to instances of retribution. A number of English bills of attainder were enacted for preventive purposes—that is, the legislature made a judgment, undoubtedly based largely on past acts and associations . . . that a given person or group was likely to cause trouble . . . and therefore inflicted deprivations upon that person or group in order to keep it from bringing about the feared event.” United States v. Brown381 U. S., at 458-459.

There’s no doubt that this is a classic separation of powers and bill of attainder issue on top of all the other issues……..There is no way of getting around it under the current case law.

I know I keep going on and on but I am extremely excited over these new finds..Read the following and take note that since that particular legislation only applied to Nixon himself and not any other person and rest on that fact and it would not create precedent for others is the only reason it survived scrutiny…

The concurring opinions make explicit what is implicit throughout the Court’s opinion, i. e., (a) that Title I would be unconstitutional under separation-of-powers principles if it applied to any other President; (b) that the Court’s holding rests on appellant’s being a “legitimate class of one,” ante, at 472; and (c) that the Court’s holding “will not be a precedent.” Ante, at 486.

Chris or AJ or anyone else let me know if I am misreading or misunderstanding anything I have stated so far…
Man I am really stoked and energized by these new finds and look forward to any analysis you guys make….

One more thing I want to throw out there is the fact that the requirement to register not only had to be subjected to the scrutiny of a jury but would also be appeal-able for reasonableness…..

Booker…….
“The Court instructed federal district judges to impose a sentence with reference to a wider range of sentencing factors set forth in the federal sentencing statute, and directed federal appeals courts to review criminal sentences for “reasonableness,” which the Court left undefined.”

Screw it I might as well keep throwing it out there. The following is under the ex post facto argument. Tell me how you like the comparison of conditions of parole to registration conditions as well as IML.

267. I face the frequent inconvenience of reporting to law enforcement in person whenever I change residences, change employment, enroll (or unenroll) as a student, change my name, register a new email address or other ‘internet identifier,’ wish to travel for a hodgepodge of different lengths of times, or buy or begin to use a vehicle (or cease to own or use a vehicle) or all the other reasons outlined in this motion. See, KEEPING THE REGISTRATION CURRENT.—A sex offender shall, not later than 3 business days after each change of name, residence, employment, or student status, appear in person in at least 1 jurisdiction involved pursuant to subsection (a) and inform that jurisdiction of all changes in the information required for that offender in the sex offender registry. That jurisdiction shall immediately provide that information to all other jurisdictions in which the offender is required to register, 42 USC 16913. Sect. 113(c). Also see, Sacramento, California’s registration form “REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS” in which there are 18 “conditions of registration” that I must comply with along with the federal or other state statutes. https://www.sacsheriff.com/Pages/Organization/CID/documents/290_requirements.pdf, See, Ca Penal Code sections 290.014-290.024. Also see, International Megan’s Law to Prevent Child Exploitation and Other Sexual Crimes Through Advanced Notification of Traveling Sex Offenders (H.R. 515). In addition to HR 4573, the final version of HR 515 requires a visual “unique identifier” to be placed on the passports of registrants convicted of sex offenses involving a minor. Law would also require covered offenders to notify law enforcement 21 days before traveling abroad. “S.1867 – International Megan’s Law to Prevent Child Exploitation Through Advanced Notification of Traveling Sex Offenders”. Congress.gov. 114th Congress (2015-2016). Also, 42 USC 16914(a) (7) Information relating to intended travel of the sex offender outside the United States, including any anticipated dates and places of departure, arrival, or return, carrier and flight numbers for air travel, destination country and address or other contact information therein, means and purpose of travel, and any other itinerary or other travel-related information required by the Attorney General.
268. These “conditions of registration” requirements and the IML requirements sure resemble the 19 general “conditions of parole” as outlined in the CDCR’s Division of Adult Parole Operations, see http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Parole/Parole_Conditions/index.html and I would say even go further then those conditions of parole supervision.
269. I am entitled to relief because a)I am facing punishments in multiple states across the country that were enacted well after my conviction and sentence took place, i.e. residency and presence restrictions, b) I am being subjected to punishments in California that have been enacted well after my conviction date, i.e. residency and presence restrictions, c) I am being subject to a myriad of punishments that have been enacted by the federal government well beyond my conviction date, i.e. IML, government sanctioned Angel Watch Program, d) I am being subjected to “conditions of registration” that is as severe as, or more severe, than the “conditions of parole supervision” when I am supposed to be, and am, a “free citizen” that is no longer under the supervision of the state.

@Mike R

For the Separation of powers and Bill of Attainder section, I was wondering if you need to elaborate more on the Separation of Powers part using more stuff from Section V titled “STATUTORY MANDATORY MINIMUMS VIOLATE THE SEPARATION OF POWERS DOCTRINE” from this article:

https://www.bu.edu/pilj/files/2015/09/19-2RileyNote.pdf

I think you’ve used quotes from here, and replacing “Mandatory minimum” with “Sex offender laws” makes the arguments work for our cause perfectly. I think we’ve discussed this one before.

I would start by laying out the problem. I can’t put it eloquently this late at night, but basically start explaining again how It should be the job of the Judiciary during the fair sentencing portion of the trial where both sides are represented to determine punishment and protecting the public tailored to the individual and circumstances. Protecting the public from this individual should not be determined blindly by legislature for an arbitrary duration, and certainly should not be done by laws created by every state and even individual city based merely on a plea of guilt or no contest.

Then follow up with all the good stuff from section V….things like this (I’ve replaced the words “Mandatory Minimum sentences” and you’ll need to put the real sources):
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Under the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure,
every defendant receives a sentencing hearing after his conviction of a
federal offense.171 At that hearing, the judge weighs facts and evidence in order
to create a fair sentencing result. Mandatory Sex Offender Registration Laws prohibit
the judiciary from fully conducting one of its basic tasks: weighing the evidence
in individual cases in order to produce just outcomes. Although defendants
who face Mandatory Sex Offender Registration still receive a sentencing
hearing, the discretion of the judge in applying the proper sentence is often
curtailed through the inability to impose a less severe sentence than that required
by the legislature. The legislature, with no knowledge of what might be
just and fair in individual cases, oversteps its sphere of power by mandating
Mandatory Sex Offender Registration.
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There are tons more good stuff in that section.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on it. I think it’s one of the strongest arguments because it so clearly obstructs the role of the Judiciary to protect the public one time, at a fair trial, instead of every state and town doing it thousands of times for an arbitrary duration.

Great feedback AJ and Chris. AJ you are exactly right, we must convince the court that it is indeed punishment but if that fails then we have an issue with the involuntary servitude argument, right? I have full faith that we will prevail on the punishment argument although I will not depend solely upon that assumption moving forward.

Chris you hit it man.. I have several pages of citations, case law and quotes addressing that exact issue of the separation of powers. That is going to be our strongest argument I believe and we need to really focus on that issue which I have been doing for days now so stay tuned and keep it coming…You guys are very perceptive, man this is going to work.. It has to, we cannot fail…..I’m going through every line one by one making changes you guys have suggested in almost every case and will continue to do so…This may take awhile but we have to get it right and who better to do it then people who actually have a real stake in this screwed up game they’re playing. Apparently no civil rights attorneys, or any other attorneys for that matter are going to do it, at least not effectively so it’s on us man….Shi… were all going to have chips as David suggested and all kinds of no telling what BS still coming if something doesn’t happen soon…..

Mike, u might also need to point out to several incidents in Maine that 2 s*x offenders were killed by people looking for peep on the registry to kill, not to mention several were assaults in recent yrs. I dont have the links to give u, but the news articles are there if u take time to google. In fact we were able to win in state of Maine because of the killing incidents cited. How about also focus on home complaints checks, banned on federal subsidizing housing, yearly driver license renewing…

@Mike R

After the Packingham win, do you want to include a “Freedom of Speech” violation?

Even though California doesn’t ban you from social media, they do provide the list of all registrants private email addresses to social media so that they may be banned. It would be helpful if we could find another similar issue where the government didn’t violate the rights but helped someone else do it.

In CA we are also banned from receiving financial help from the Victims of Violent Crimes Fund. We are the only group that is excluded. All CA residents (except sex offenders) can receive up to $46,000 in medical, death or wage loss if you are a victim of a violent crime.

I am wondering if there is a statistic that shows the number of repeat offenders vs. the first time vs. family members? It seems to be that with all of us being on a watch list and if it does work (???) there should be no one offending since we are under the eye of the public?
Comments??

Here’s an interesting (and fairly easy) read I stumbled upon: “Constitutional Constraints on Retroactive Civil Legislation: The Hollow Promises of the Federal Constitution and Unrealized Potential of State Constitutions” (http://scholars.law.unlv.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1527&context=nlj)

It does a really good job of talking about the futility of challenging civil laws at the Federal level, and points to the higher chance of success at doing so at the State level–depending on the State.

Chris, in Feb of 2014, in Craig Rudy REYNOLDS, Appellant v. The STATE of Texas, we ALMOST had a chance for the highest tx court to tackle the retroactive issue, but the court refused and ruled on statutory ground that registration is civil and thus not punishment! Before that, we also lost several rounds on the saving clause that allow for early remove from registration if conviction was before sept of 1997 and a person was not in custody at the cut off date. The high tx court ruled the new 2006 amendment (retroactive life time registration) supersede any existing laws, therefore, we were no longer able to petition to get off the registry. We the amount of register citizens we have in texas, I am suprised we dont have a proper case litigating the retroactive issue!

That was an interesting read AJ and I understand it’s a long shot on some issues but I think once we establish that registration is now punitive then we open the door for all these other issues to be brought up..Remember they are now infringing upon numerous constitutional liberties now with these ramped up super registration schemes. The court already recognized that the right to reputation is a fundamental right requiring strict scrutiny, the right to raise ones children without interference, and they have straight up said that we have a substantive due process issue and in the CA court pretty much stated that we have an unreasonable, arbitrary, and oppressive official actions claim not explicitly but implicitly by declaring there was no rational basis for residency restrictions opening the door for no rational basis for any of the restrictions or even the registration scheme. I think we have a very good chance in the federal court on every argument I have in my motion and it is only getting stronger everyday….He…if even we don’t win in the federal court, which I know we will, we always have a slam dunk in the state level right??? I just want a federal court to declare it’s unconstitutional and that states or the federal government cannot apply it to anyone without a fair hearing and at the very least proving with the clear and convincing evidence standard that they pose a threat great enough to justify inclusion on the registry..even though I want to abolish the registry I think it is very reasonable to demand at least that…..

I came across another nice paper talking about registry laws and their tipping into punitive territory. As close as some of their statements and arguments mirror the Snyder decision in the 6th, I have to believe it was used as part of ACLU-MI’s case. The article addresses some other items too, and is so chock full of case references, it would take me a month just to find them all, let alone read them! I highly recommend reading the associated footnotes, as many of them have some juicy tidbits.

If this paper has been previously posted, sorry for my thinking I found a gem. 🙂
http://www.hastingslawjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/Carpenter-Beverlin-63.4.pdf

@mike r – I would say this paper is mandatory reading for you in your cause.

Please forward to Janice or anyone that could make or decide this. You know I got to thinking, whatever we said or write in this forum, it is only to VENT our FRUSTRATION, ANGER, SADNESS, and AGREEMENT toward our point of views of how the Federal and / or states government and public are treating us. It is merely a forum to express within the confinement of THIS forum. What can we do or collectively as a group to better take a COURSE OF ACTION to make better our situations, we could donate to make our causes, but do we have the cause of actions in writing to set a goal that we can better see or envision our goals to help all that are being supressed by the ever changing laws to target registrants? For now all I see is alot of frustrations in writings within the confinement of this forums. Beside the fights of writing letters to legistatures to opposes certain bills, can we set aside the targets and donations toward certain ongoing or planning litigations toward certain laws that we are planninng to litigate? Can we, as members see the goals and or the amount of donations toward certain cases or lititation that we wish to pursue? Is it possible as members to see this being displayed so we could make this an even stronger goal toward our goal to abolish the registry or at the minimum a fair and just registry for the truly and dangerous people? Feel free to edit as u seem fit…

I just copied this from the KFI 640 AM website I hope you will let it stay as is hows how many ‘sex crimes’ are now considered low level in CA
Prop 57 was one of the worst propositions voters have ever approved in this state. Jerry Brown is so concerned with prison overcrowding, that he thinks it’s better to let all of the violent people out instead of making more prisons.

California laws enable and embolden criminals, and the criminals know this! Under Prop 57 there are many disgusting crimes that are considered “non-violent:”

Rape by intoxication
Rape of an unconscious person
Human trafficking involving sex act with minors
Drive-by shooting
Assault with a deadly weapon
Taking a hostage
Domestic violence involving trauma
Supplying a firearm to a gang member
Lewd acts upon a child
Hate crime causing physical injury
Failing to register as a sex offender
Arson causing great bodily injury
Felon obtaining a firearm
Discharging a firearm on school grounds
False imprisonment of an elder

Read more: http://kfiam640.iheart.com/content/2017-07-27-prop-57-set-to-release-more-dangerous-prisoners/#ixzz4o47bThBW

Imagine this ..

Now, the parole boards will look at whether or not the criminal has changed for the better during incarceration:

What they now have to consider if their so called “rehabilitation” during incarceration has had any effect?????that’s a novel idea….

Prediction of dangerousness, length of treatment, and psychological damage.
https://narsol.org/2017/07/prediction-of-dangerousness-length-of-treatment-and-psychological-damage/

Dozens of probation officers who keep tabs on W.Va. sex offenders to lose jobs
https://narsol.org/2017/07/dozens-of-probation-officers-who-keep-tabs-on-w-va-sex-offenders-to-lose-jobs/

Something occurred to me about the USSG’s amicus to SCOTUS regarding Snyder (http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/16-768-cert-ac-US.pdf). This may have already been addressed by others when the USSG amicus came out; if so sorry. The question petitioned to SCOTUS asks, “Does retroactively applying a sex-offender-registry law that classifies offenders into tiers based on crime of conviction, requires certain offenders to register for life, requires offenders to report in person periodically and within days of certain changes to registry information, and restricts offenders’ activities within school zones impose ‘punishment’ in violation of the Ex Post Facto Clause?”

Note the three items asked: 1. offense-based tiers, 2. in-person reporting within days, 3. presence and residency restrictions. USSG’s amicus never answers 1 nor addresses that AWA has this; qualifies 2, admitting that though AWA has in-person requirements, there’s no “within days” mandate; and gives no answer on 3, saying there’s no such provision in AWA (true, but that still fails to answer the question). In short, USSG dodges the question before SCOTUS and instead throws MI under the bus.

USSG maintains that AWA is all fine and dandy, but SORA-MI is bad. While I agree with the latter, they are being cagey with the former. Notice how USSG glides over that AWA mandates offense-based tiers, which is one of the three criteria the 6th found contributed to punitive. Notice how USSG glides over AWA requiring in-person registration, which both the 6th and Smith addressed. USSG is trying to do a sleight-of-hand regarding these, and diverts the discussion. USSG quickly mentions that MI and AWA have offense-based tiers…but then only discusses that MI requires Internet publication of the tiers, which AWA doesn’t require. USSG mentions that AWA and MI both require in-person reporting (which the 6th didn’t like, but didn’t need to find SORA punitive, and which also was a discussed item in Smith)…then only discusses that MI has more stringent requirements than AWA mandates. USSG then hides the in-person reporting requirement in the footnote, hoping nobody will notice that AWA has such too.

I am quite sure ACLU-MI will notice this “oversight” by USSG and mention it in their supplemental, which should come along any day now (I think they have 30 days from July 7, which means due by August 6). Even if they don’t, I would hope some other amici, or SCOTUS and staff notice it. Once again, the Government is trying to pull a fast one on SCOTUS. I think they–or at least Kennedy–learned a lesson with “frightening and high.” At least I hope they did.

Can anyone tell me about the Anaheim registration process? I am potentially purchasing a home there and want to know how it goes.

Thank you!

Rep. Ted Poe, Republican from Texas is speaking in the House of Representatives on C-Span right now. His subject is sexual violence, victims rights and how rape is worse than death. And how we need harsher penalties for offenders. (11:00am PT)

Any thoughts on this

California Constitution, Article 1, Section 7(b):
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(b) A citizen or class of citizens may not be granted privileges
or immunities not granted on the same terms to all citizens.
Privileges or immunities granted by the Legislature may be altered or
revoked.
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I bring this up b/c registrants do not share the same immunities like other convicits who qualify for the 1203.4. Aside from stating your case is dismissed (and for some registrants, no longer being uploaded onto ML), there’s no difference in penalization/supervision/service to the state. That means every other convict receives immunities that registrants who qualify for the 1203.4 do not get.

Am I missing something here or is there something here as it is written in the California Constitution? Doesn’t this implicitly denote equal protection in respect to immunities?

The process changed a bit about two years or so ago. Previously, you would phone in for an appointment. On that day you would go into the main lobby of the downtown station. A custody officer or cadet would handle all of the paperwork while you waited in the main lobby. When everything was ready, you would go inside for printing and photographing.

That changed recently. You call in for the appointment, and are told that on that day, you go to the back of the building and get buzzed into the custody section. There, a custody officer handles the paperwork updates. After its all ready, you sign and give the thumbprint. They then have you come back through the security door. The custody guy is required to search you for weapons. After that, its printing and photos as usual.

Some complained that moving the process to the back is more embarrassing, but to be honest, it is actually better than being out front. Everyone in the custody area is there for the same thing. The guy I’ve had do my work for the past two years is extraordinarily professional. Anaheim has a lot of transient offenders, so they are really used to the process (every 30 days for those folks). It goes pretty much like clockwork and I’ve had no complaints.

With regards to a compliance check…whether or not a person engages with the police when they visit, they do have some sort of paper they are attempting to have filled out. For me, it’s just a copy of my info straight from the Megan’s Law website in which they request my signature. I have signed a couple in the past and currently deny to sign any more. They make some sort of note about that. Not interested in stirring the pot but frankly, I have no idea what they write when I don’t comply and I have not been given a reason to fully trust law enforcement. Whether or not I choose to comply, something is being written down. Should I, or all of us in this situation, request a copy of this paperwork?

Here’s a legal Article that makes a compelling argument that could quite easily apply to DLs with “sex offender” somehow included on them: http://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1060&context=clevstlrev

Hopefully the OK case comes out in our favor.