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Janice’s Journal: Church Guidelines Repeat Myths, Spread Fear

It is essential that registrants have access to church services because for some registrants the ability to worship at a church is more important than food, shelter and clothing.

In the words of North Carolina attorney Glenn Gerding, “Given….residency and employment restrictions, as well as societal discrimination against and vilification of sex offenders, churches are often the last hope for many sex offenders who need the stability and guidance a church pastor and church family can provide.”

Why is it then that some churches place outright bans on registrants who wish to worship there while others restrict registrants’ activities to such an extent that registrants choose not to worship at all?

One answer may be the publication, “Sex Offenders in the Church”, recently issued by ChurchLawAndTax.com which provides erroneous statements and inhumane guidelines regarding registrants. This publication harms registrants’ ability to worship because it repeats many myths about registrants as well as spreads fear to both the churches they serve as well as to church leaders.

The publication includes a few accurate facts about registrants such as that the number of registrants in America is both staggering and rising. In addition, the publication accurately states that the growing number of registrants includes many who want to attend church. Further, the publication accurately states that registrants have been convicted of a wide range of offenses including those that are not violent and do involve physical contact.

The report takes a wrong turn, however, when it states that although there are registrants who attend church because they have a “genuine desire to meet spiritual needs,” there are also registrants who attend church because their motivation is “a desire to have access to potential victims.” The report continues down the path of misinformation by repeating myths such as that some registrants “will always pose an elevated risk” to a church that elects to allow them to have access to church services and activities.

The publication takes another wrong turn when it focuses upon pedophilia, a medical diagnosis and not a crime, and states the following myths: pedophilia is incurable and very difficult to control. The publication goes on to falsely state that pedophiles have a high recidivism rate, that is, more than half of pedophiles who are convicted of a sex offense are re-arrested for a new offense.

The publication continues down the wrong path when it spreads fear by warning churches that they could be found liable if it becomes known that a registrant is worshipping there. It then adds another fear by warning church leaders that they could become personally liable for a registrant’s behavior.

The greatest harm done by this publication, however, is the shame it projects on to church leaders who are compassionate and understand the spiritual needs of registrants. Specifically, first the publication recognizes that “there will always be those in church leadership who will urge mercy and restoration” for registrants. Then, the publication issues a false warning that such feelings are contrary to an unknown Bible commandment that “speaks to….protection of the innocent.” The publication continues shaming in its question: “How can church leaders even begin to think they are taking this commandment seriously if they allow a convicted sex offender to have unrestricted access to the church?”

The false statements in this publication are compounded by the inhumane recommendation that registrants should only be allowed in church if they enter into a “conditional attendance agreement.” One term of such an agreement is that a registrant “must always be in the presence of a designated chaperone while on church property for any reasons, including….restroom breaks.” In addition, the chaperone must “meet the offender at the entrance of the church, and accompany him or her on church premises until returned to his or her vehicle.” Given that no one else in the congregation must be accompanied by a chaperone, this restriction alone brands registrants who worship in a church with a Scarlet letter.

Because this publication is provided to both churches and church leaders, it is imperative that this organization devote resources to the education of those who have published it. That is, ACSOL will provide that organization with truthful data from both government and academic sources. ACSOL will provide that data with a hope and a prayer that the organization and its members will educate themselves about the real facts regarding registrants. However, if they choose to ignore those facts, it may be necessary to educate the organization and its members utilizing a different method – a lawsuit in a federal court.

In order to succeed in court, ACSOL needs to learn about the experiences of registrants who have attempted to worship at a church and been denied that opportunity. Please send a brief description of your experience to service@all4consolaws.org. Thank you.

 

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  1. HopingforHope

    Hmm.. Let’s see:

    “In 2016, the Pennsylvania Attorney General initiated confidential grand jury proceedings to investigate:

    –allegations of child sexual abuse by individuals associated with SIX of the eight Pennsylvania dioceses of the Roman Catholic Church,
    –failure of church officials to make mandatory reports of child abuse,
    –acts by Catholic priests endangering the welfare of children, and
    –obstruction of justice by church officials, community leaders, and public officials.”

    What a bunch of hypocrites.

  2. Eric

    Well it’s outrageous. It reminds me of this NPR story: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9213698

    • R M

      From that NPR article:
      “In the coming weeks, Madison Shockley will be working with the congregation on finalizing a safe church policy.

      It will require all staff and volunteers to undergo background checks; it’ll require that children be supervised by two unrelated adults at all times; and it will define how Pilgrim Church deals with sex offenders in general and Pliska specifically.”

      And how will those guidelines will make the church safer? They won’t; they may even make the church LESS safe.

      @Eric: have you seen a follow up to what the church decided?

  3. Don’t tread on me

    I see very little point in going on when the God of my savior allows this to happen. I looked at a bad picture. I guess according to what I read here I will see you all in hell…

    • CL

      Jesus had more to say about hypocrisy than anyone else in the Bible…and it was directed at church leaders.

      • Henry

        I agree with CL. Jesus was completely against the Church Leaders for their legalistic ideas being stacked against those whom they did not approve of.

        It has become so very apparent that both myself AND my family are not welcome in our local churches, that we have decided to never set foot in a church again.

        A new ministry needs to be created to assist registrants and their families “outside” of the physical church. But this will be a challenge as many RSO families no longer trust the christian community.

    • ForgivenessWasBought

      There are good churches out there, I have two local churches who know of my offense and are willing/anxious to let me be apart of their services once my probation officer gives me permission to go.

      Not all Christians are trash — there are good and bad apples in everything.

  4. LARRY ANDERSON

    Hey Everybody,
    This is a subject I’m very passionate about. Unfortunately, most pastors and leaders are in a way like politicians (choosing the peoples voice over rationale and grace). For the last 3 years, I’ve had many conversations with pastors and leaders who are being forced into signing agreements with insurance companies as it pertains to having registrants attend worship services. In essence, if they don’t agree with the insurance company it will cancel the policy. I address the issue in detail in my book, Evil On My Pew: The Hysteria Around Sex Offenders In The Church. There are still many great loving churches out there. My goal is to compile a list in 2019 that Im calling Green Churches (Safe Havens) for registrants and their loved ones. STAY ENCOURAGED, YOUR SUCCESS IS NECESSARY!
    amazon.com/author/pastorlarryanderson

    • Dustin

      @ LARRY ANDERSON,

      You may want/need to reconsider calling your 2019 list “Green Churches.” The environmental movement has pretty much hijacked the word “green” to mean enviro-friendly. I would suggest a numerical designation, the numbers coming from a biblical chapter and verse stating that all comers are welcome. I’m agnostic and not terribly familiar with the Bible, so I can’t make a specific suggestion.

      • Nicholas Maietta

        “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galatians 3:28

        “Therefore welcome one another as Christ has welcomed you, for the glory of God.” Romans 15:7

        and my personal favorite:

        “For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.” Matthew 25:35-36

      • LARRY

        Yes Dustin I agree, I actually considered Green Light Churches or something along those lines. Thanks a bunch!

  5. Political Prisoner

    From what I read and see on TV you have a better chance to be shot and killed then assaulted by a registers citizen in church.

    • Dustin

      @ Political Prisoner,

      Actually, I would think you have a better chance of losing half a million dollars in a game of blackjack against an over-caffeinated, one-eyed baby albino howler monkey than assaulted by a registrant in a church.

      • AJ

        @Dustin:
        Especially since howlers are widely known to be card-counting cheats! 🐵

  6. Mot

    I am a member of the Roman Catholic Church and until my convection for ATTEMPT 288(a) as the result of a sting; I was active in my Church leadership. My crime was restricted to the Internet and there was no one that came forward to make accusations of physical contact at any time. When I was released over 15 years ago I was welcomed back into the Church community by about 95% of our members. BUT, I am not allowed to participate in any religious or social activity in the Church. The Catholic church has a program called VERTIS that is required and also fingerprinting. I am allowed to sit in the pew and can still write checks to support the parish and Church. Other than that I am not allowed to work at fundraisers or even take up the collections during Mass. All of the priests have told me they cannot allow me to do anything more then sit in the pew. Other religions are more open then the Catholics .
    Anyway that is my story and I do love God and Jesus Christ as my Savior and am still a Practicing Catholic in spite of the administrators of the CHURCH.

    • Dustin

      @ Mot,

      So the church won’t let you participate in anything, but they’ll still take your money? How nice of them.

      Not to sound sacrilegious or demeaning, but you can love God anywhere and there are plenty of other charities and people who could use your donations and not skim off of the top of it.

      • Will Allen

        I don’t think people who are Registered should ever help any charity. I mean, surely they don’t want you or your money. If you want to help, it is easy to find people directly who need help and do not support the Registries.

      • someone who cares

        I am not a religious person, but from what I understand is that a church is the House of God. So, shouldn’t God be the one allowing or disallowing people into his home? Why are the church members or the priest making that decision? They are just guests…..

    • Tim

      BEHOLD the awesome power of the databases; They are our friends and shall lead us to our salvation. – Big brother

      Machiavelli, Asimov, Orwell & Perot were all lunatics and therefore should be ignored.

  7. 290 air

    Most churches separate the little kids from the main congregation since they can be disruptive during service. To access the children’s area you have to give your ID and they check it against the registry. Seems like that solves the problem.
    If you are going to a church that has a policy against sex offenders I would say you are going to the wrong church. If the church is buying into a the unfounded worldly views about sex offenders then what other areas are they compromising the truth for emotional hysteria. I could even make the argument that the Bible is against any sort of registry altogether. The registry, and the punishment they continuously heap on, is a form of revenge no matter how they want to disguise it. We all know what the Bible says about revenge.
    Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but leave room for God’s wrath. For it is written: “Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says the Lord.” Romans 12:19

    • ForgivenessWasBought

      In biblical terms we are the modern day lepers. Forced to live outside society because we are “unclean” — that’s why I love the story of Jesus going to and healing the 10 lepers.

      Any church who doesn’t accept sex offenders is not doing the will of God, in Revelation God actually cursed the church at Ephesus because they refused to show love.

  8. Chris f

    So merely being on the registry subjects a registrant to being banned from Facebook, nextdoor, certain shelters, living in many towns, traveling to many countries, entering many schools, getting government housing assistance, getting many jobs (eeoc says denial and checking registry ok) and participating or even going to many churches.

    How many fundamental rights are being trampled on now by being on a list where SCOTUS in connecticut dps v doe 2003 unanimously said lists are ok and dont affect those on the list because the list does not infer dangerousness?

    Due process guarantees that there is a fair process before subjecting a person to restrictions and disabilities by our government, yet the registry is mandatory and for an arbitrary mandatory duration out of the judge’s control. In no case is the list used as just a warning that a person needs to be under extra scrutiny before being allowed to do something. Instead it is a blanket denial because why would any church, business or other country spend time and money and take on liability to research someone every time when our own judicial system cant do it just one time during a fair Trial?

    • AJ

      “connecticut dps v doe 2003 unanimously said lists are ok and dont affect those on the list because the list does not infer dangerousness?”
      —–
      And herein seems to lie the potential route of success for @steve regarding Interpol Green Notices. Somehow the US Gov’t is taking a “no dangerousness” list (i.e. State registries) and morphing it into a statement of dangerousness (i.e. Green Notice’s “likely to repeat these crimes” phrase) made to other Nations. I suspect there’s not one person who has received a Green Notice who has also received any sort of risk assessment.

  9. Eric

    …and in total contrast to all these false statistics and fear mongering, I have received the same message from every counselor, therapist, case manager, PO, and specialist at every turn of my years in the justice system and they all say the key to success is having a stable home life, close interaction with friends, steady income, healthy interaction with civic groups, and a degree of faith and spiritual growth. Basically everything that contrasts with this article and everything that is in direct conflict with the registry.

  10. RSO Wife

    Well, my husband and I attempted to go to a local church. His counsler at the time told him he had to inform the pastor. Well, the pastor told the elders, and then the info started to leak to the congergation. He found out from the lady across the street who after 5 years is now our friend.

    He stopped going, since he felt uncomfortable. They never treated us badly. He left the church and so did I. We haven’t stepped foot in a church since eventhough he is no longer on porbation.

    After he got off porbation and the internet restriction, I got a smartphone which I love. I happen to have a production job that allows you to listen to music. I listen to praise and worship music. Then I either listen to a KJV audio Bible, a Bible Study, and/or preaching I have downloaded on my SD card. I basically can have my own church at work every day, especially if I have a 10 hour day.

    Don’t Tread On Me, you are missing the point if you think it is all about attending Church. The whole point is Jesus, your salvation, your walk with him, and leaning on Jesus in hard times. Attending church won’t get you saved, and won’t help you especially if it is a bad church. A bad church can actually hinder your walk with God instead of enhancing it whether you are a registarant or not. My husband actually got kicked out of a church before he even got on the regestry. A whole other story.

    Don’t base your walk with God on hyprocritical church leaders. God didn’t allow that to happen. God did give us a free will, and unfortunatly that free will includes people being able to sin and shun others including church leaders. The church has been infested with bad things since the time of Jesus. I agree with CL, and Jesus was no where near nice.

    There is a phrase I always heard NOT in the Bible but elsewhere. Bad things happen because good men do nothing. Maybe try to do something good. Maybe it would be possible to start a small group Bible study with other sex offenders, and/or people who know your situation. This can be done with or without the internet. Right now my church is talking with my mom about the Bible, Jesus, and encouraging each other.

    May you have peace, and I pray you continue to walk with Jesus. Let not your heart be hardened. Let God give you a peace that passes all understanding.

    I would not be sane and where I am today without Jesus. Yes he is that important.

    • Timothy

      @Walking with Jesus &RSO wife,

      In my personal observation of 54 trips around the sun I’ve yet to witness 1 Christian wash the feet of anyone man nor woman. Those who claim to recognise his perfection, smear the repute of perfection itself. Ego alone applies godliness unto man propper. His resurrection be all of mankinds, and not saved for the few! He merely gave example of the system the creator made. He left his body but his essence moves on in free will. Were one goes after is ones choice still. Re embodiment is not possible, but new-embodiment IS! No energy is truly lost, it enters the metamorphic. Be that we’ve two eyes, our ego comports that we see all, accurately, yet nothing could be further from truth.

  11. JM of Wi.

    Being banned from churches certainly has an impact on family and ones own children. My former church had very strong negative policies against gay members too. Hard to “educate” church policy makers. My kids and their spouses left the church because of these policies. It seems most sins are forgivable accept sex things; and every sex thing points towards pedophilia.

  12. JM of Wi.

    Just a related note: Lots of SAA SA SLAA SCA 12 step groups are held in churches. In groups I’ve attended, 15% to 20% have been registered. Probably 80% or more have done something that could have conceivably gotten them on the registry. (more than peeing in public). I expect these places will slowly be made off limits to us.

  13. Facts should matter

    In light of recent events, if these churches are so persistent in congregational safety, why don’t they focus their efforts on the immediate threat of people walking in off the streets and shooting up the place? I mean, isn’t that a “no brainer?” I would say there’s a higher likelihood of being killed at the hands of an assailant with a gun in church that one of “those people” snatching a kid from Sunday School class.

    • AJ

      @Facts should matter:
      Any church I’ve attended the last few years *does* have armed security. In fact one of them even had their security people learn “Israeli knife fighting tactics.” I don’t know how legit it was but it sure sounds bad-@ss. Having traveled to Israel (pre-RC) for business/governmental matters, they know their stuff.

    • TS

      @Facts

      Many of the churches do, but they do not publicize it for the fear of blowback by those who don’t want armed citizens or churchgoers within the confines of the church or the knowledge of getting out to those who wish to do church people harm. A lot of times they fall underneath what they deem them as “security ministries” and only a select few know who are actually on the security ministries that are armed.

      Those churches who have had unfortunate incidences of having armed events against their congregation happen are more inclusive of the congregation in making the decision towards arming people for these ministries.

      I can say this because I know of several churches who have people armed in the congregation during services and people who actually have been a part of those ministry teams. They do not take this detail lightly and usually reach out with in-depth research of what to do to protect themselves before they actually put it in place.

  14. HopingForHope

    Dumb question maybe, but: How is a church always going to even know you’re attending services?
    Many are huge with hundreds, even more than a thousand, seats. Worshippers walk in, they attend services they leave. No one fingerprints you at the door. Just to be clear, I am not a catholic, so maybe that works differently, I don’t know. Maybe some churches require membership, I don’t know. But contemporary churches are springing up everywhere to try to attract those who don’t attend, which I think is something like half the population, and to my knowledge there is no requirement that you “join”. You just go.
    What would prevent me from attending incognito if “membership” is not required?

    • Chris f

      Often this is the case. Offenders can just be there and nobody is the wiser.

      However, those still on probation or parole are usually required by their terms of supervision to get approval and notify the church. Then there are states or cities that can also set unconstitional laws to force notification for all sex offenders or forbid it outright.

      Of course, if you want to do more than sit in a pew then expect your history could be checked by the church.

  15. Jason

    I attend church, I don’t give my address, not do I attend any social events, I never did prior to my conviction. It was hard while on probation because my probation officer told me that I couldn’t go, period.

    • AJ

      @Jason:
      “It was hard while on probation because my probation officer told me that I couldn’t go, period.”
      —–
      I’m unsure where you live, but 31 States have case law or statutes protecting religious freedom. Your PO most likely violated it, not to mention the First Amendment. Then again, it’s usually a smoother and easier path to just do what the PO says, as long as it’s not too outlandish. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Religious_Freedom_Restoration_Acts)

      • Lovecraft

        In NC its a felony to go to church period if you are an rc. Granted we got a lawsuit pending and this is some low hanging fruit, but as it stands right now probation or not no rc can attend church. As a side note to how this affects me beyond even just going to church, my dad has ALS and will likely pass in the next year or so or maybe even sooner and we are likely going to have to have the entire service at a funeral home because of it. I cant tell you the amount of shame I am already feeling having to put my family through that. Additionally, my father plans to be cremated and his ashes are to go into a special wing of the church they attend and I wont be able to go in and see or visit. Absolutely barbaric and utterly senless.

        • AJ

          @Lovecraft:
          Given it’s a fundamental right, strict scrutiny puts the entire onus on NC. (Not that you didn’t know that!) Could you please provide a URL or docket number or something?

        • Lovecraft

          @AJ

          I spoke with Robin (narsol) tonight and the specific lawsuit I was referring to that solely targeted going on church premises has not been filed yet. NARSOL has had correspondence with several pastors in NC and even though they wanted to get involved for whatever reason they havent. We need them to stand against the state to say the state has no right to tell the church who can or cannot attend their church. NARSOL did streamline the original ex post facto lawsuit and filed an additional lawsuit against the premise statute which if we win should cover the church premise lawsuit. To be clear the real issue is daycares at churches are triggering the premise statute and based on our research nearly every church in NC has a daycare and that is why we cant go on church grounds. Ill add a link to the lawsuits listed above as well as the premise statute itself I keep mentioning if you want to check it out.

          https://narsol.org/2018/07/narsol-streamlines-original-lawsuit-ncrsol-files-new-lawsuit/

        • AJ

          @Lovecraft:
          Thanks for the info and URL. Even assuming the daycare restriction is constitutional, the State would still need justify and narrowly tailor the law to minimize its impact on the fundamental right of religious expression, even if happening secondarily.

          I once again shake my head at how much of this stuff comes out of NC. Is there an extra “kick” in the tobacco there, or what?

  16. TR

    Check out in the book of Isaiah in chapter 10 about those that write evil decrees.

  17. Steveo

    I’m a pretty committed Christian who lives in Texas and goes to a very conservative Calvinistic Presbyterian church. When we started going to this church I let my pastor and elders know about my offense and status as a registered citizen. Since my offense was almost 25 years ago, they didn’t seem too concerned. I did tell them that I could never be involved in any kind of ministry dealing with children, and they seemed to understand. It is amazing to me how wonderful this church is. There is a guy who is a former prosecutor named Boz Tchividjian. His ministry is called GRACE, which is an acronym for something like gracious response to something, I can’t remember… Anyway, it has nothing to do with grace. It’s basically a very ungracious and unforgiving type of ministry that goes around telling churches to ignore the facts and statistics about how low recidivism is. I’m not even sure that Boz is really a Christian, because he is a pretty awful and sort of nutty guy. Most conservative churches buy into it, so I was sort of shocked at how well my own church has treated me and my family. This is the most loving and wonderful church that we have ever belonged to. It probably has something to do with the fact that it’s so gospel-centric. Lot’s of teaching and preaching about what all Christ has secured for those who believe though his life, death and resurrection, an, how He imputes His righteousness to us. Very freeing to a person like me who has a sensitive conscience and habit of sort of beating myself up internally. Sundays are some of our best days around the house.

  18. Harry

    One the other hand, l belong to a church, where most know about conviction and do not care. I have been place in leadership, have keys to building, and was ask to drive and authorized their vehicles. I was just promoted a key position. However, l do avoid children and youth mingling, even though l am not restricted. There are real Christian churches out there.

  19. USA

    This is a very disturbing article! I wasn’t aware that Churches do background checks? I would just ignore the article! Churches welcome sinners! I was actually part of Prison Ministries for some time! Ignore.

    • mot

      YES, the Roman Catholic Church has a youth protection program that includes volunteers submitting fingerprints that are turned over to the local PD to check against sex offenders If you PASS then you can serve

  20. Justice seeker

    For those of us who are Catholic we perhaps need to remind the church that Sirach 8:5 reads as follows. “Do not reproach one who turns away from sin; remember, we all are guilty.” And then of course one might also remind them that Christ Himself said, (In John 8:7) “But when they continued asking him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” So then the hypocrisy and fear mongered political agendas (to prove that they are “tough on crime”) persist even among those who are religious. I do go to Mass every Sunday and Holy day and am active wherever I can be, but not a penny goes to support the church and my giving is only to those needs that do not end up right there in my parish. Until I am able to be fully a part of the life of the church, my money goes elsewhere while I remain a faithful Catholic. Good luck brothers!

  21. rpsabq

    Yes and this video has been on Youtube for several years. From “AG Financial Solutions basically saying the same thing and warning churches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DVemC6lRKA

    • JohnDoeNc

      @AJ @Lovecraft

      During my 19 years on the registry I have witnessed the slow and painful evolution of more restrictive legislation passed each year. NC has to be some of the worst in the US. Furthermore we won a very important lawsuit challenging the premise restrictions. Within 3 months the legislature held a special session to rewrite the statue changing only a word or 2 and passed it almost unanimously while the original lawsuit was being appealed. Due to the original lawsuit being upheld the new law has taken effect.

      So back to another lawsuit. I am very pessimistic. The latest premise restriction lawsuit will probably be ruled in our favor again. Then another law will be written that specifically address the issues stated in the courts opinion against the first re-write. Each time the law is revisited the legislature uses the courts decision and opinion to tailor each new law. Eventually it will come down to a war of attrition. And we know who has more resources. I think this is an issue that must be decided at a federal level before we see any real change.

      • Harry

        NC and many of the bible belt states are heavily influence by the Southern Baptist and they have had a big sex abuse issues within their following. They are hard RC because they are trying to get off their faces. Most of their cases are people that would have pass background checks

      • AJ

        @JohnDoeNc:
        Your post exactly shows what I’ve long said: legislatures can pass laws faster than the courts can strike them down. It only takes minutes, hours or days to pass an unconstitutional law, yet years to void it. Only through SCOTUS putting its foot down will it ever stop. This soul continues to pray for such.

      • Lovecraft

        @JohnDoeNC

        Being from and currently living in NC certainly has been challenging and our current premise law is probably only comparable to Alabama laws in terms of harshness. Another interesting fact is that when doe v cooper was resolved forcing the legislature to redo their premise guidelines they somehow made the wording even worse as far as how ambiguous the statute is and how it could be applied.

        From doe v Cooper:
        Subdivision (a)(2) of G.S. 14-208.18—the so-called 300-foot rule—was invalidated as overbroad under the First Amendment. Subdivision (a)(3)—the rule that banned covered offenders from any place where minors gathered for “regularly scheduled” programs—was deemed vague as a matter of constitutional due process. Subdivision (a)(1), which bars covered offenders from child-focused places like schools and children’s museums, passed constitutional muster and continues to be good law.

        Well we still have the 300 foot rule after the ruling and its still as ambiguous as ever as to what it applies to.

        Revised premise statute currently in use:

        https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-208.18.pdf

        Unfortunately, we just have to keep poking holes in these statutes until the legislators are pigeon holed into such a narrowly tailored statute it wont have much meaning. Hang in there John, there is a change coming. Five years ago you didnt ever really hear about rc`s in nc or anywhere challenging and or winning cases in court on this stuff. We had several huge wins just last year in nc and we just had a pretty significant win in the last few weeks that may have a huge impact on rc’s in nc which I cant mention specifics just yet.

        • AJ

          @Lovecraft:
          “we just had a pretty significant win in the last few weeks that may have a huge impact on rc’s in nc which I cant mention specifics just yet.”
          —–
          If it’s already been won, why can it not be released? Seems odd to this non-NC cat. I will say that what’s awesome about the wins in NC is that with its having some of the harshest laws, and their being struck down, only makes taking down other places’ laws a easier. The legal trail is being blazed!

        • Lovecraft

          @AJ

          Well the individual who told me about it and sent me the judgement and opinion asked to hold off on sharing it, so Ill respect their wishes. As soon as I am able Ill share with everyone.

        • CR

          What good reason is there for holding off sharing good news? The only thing that comes to mind is that it may reveal the names of the parties to the suit (i.e., not a Doe case), and one of them is a registrant who would prefer not to draw attention to himself. I understand that, but if it’s a court judgement and opinion, it’s public information. How can it be worse than being listed on the registry?

        • AJ

          @Lovecraft:
          I’m rather sure I know the case to which you’re referring, and completely understand why to keep it under wraps for a bit. I will not disclose…and congrats!

    • C

      I only made it through 11 minutes before losing interest, and while my initial reaction is disgust at the notion of a church excluding anyone, as long as the church can be sued, then they have a duty to protect themselves and should hire responsibly. I send my kids to Bible classes Sunday mornings and want to know that the teacher does not have a history of violent crime, whether it is spousal, child, animal abuse or anything else that makes me uncomfortable. (I don’t inquire about church staff backgrounds, but trust HR has done its homework.)
      If the conviction is 30 years old and they’ve lead an exemplary life since, that’s another thing. However, if the church fails to screen the driving record of the newly hired school bus operator, and my kid is hurt when that guy crosses the median into oncoming traffic, then they better have damn good insurance.

      A Christian church should follow the teachings of Christ and not exclude anyone from it’s congregation unless, IMO, that person has demonstrated an inability to cast out the demons which bring harm to others.

  22. USA

    The article is truly disgusting. If you think about it, its almost funny. I wont say what Church I belong to, but (sorry/not trying to offend anyone/its common amongst all religions) there have been some Mormons who marry more than one woman? Its very common to turn on the TV and read about Catholic Father’s being arrested for abuse of a minor/cover ups as well! Jimmy Swaggart defrocked by soliciting prostitutes? There are other stories of Pastors caught stealing, having affairs and one even caught with a gay prostitute! Now, I’m not one who wants to put someone down, but really? How about kenneth Copeland and Pastor Creflo Dollar and his 65 million dollar jet? Really? God loves sinners!

  23. Robert Curtis

    Fight a righteous fight against popular wrongs. Be as Christ.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK6O5-3pfKc&t=2s

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