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With all the crazy COVID-19 stuff going on, here are some positives that I personally can take away from all this madness.
One: No more in person registration here where I’m at. All over the phone now. I’m a transient registrant, so every month I go down to the cop shop and wait, wait, and wait even more. I call one person(city employee, not LEO) and state all my information hasn’t changed since last month. A couple keyboard clicks from said city employee and I’m self verified for that month.
Two: I’m a single male, no friends, no children, no mortgage, bills are a minimum, I stay in my car mostly, and I have the freedom to travel wherever I please(besides airplanes.)
Three: I don’t mind wearing mask too. Less recognition of who I am is a plus for me.
So all in all, take away positive what you can from this coronavirus meltdown. Pretty soon everyone will be on a list, so don’t feel bad. Just remember this world is exactly the way it’s supposed to be. It’s us that need to change. God Bless brothers and sisters!

Not Just another Registrant…What a positive outlook thank you for sharing.

Trying to understand ny e-stop law. Called 2 lawyers who each had their own take and one of course wanted a retainer ($) in order to delve deeper into it & give me a “definitive” answer. Maybe I should try the ny aclu?? This is nuts.

Yeah, sure glad you shared !
I might be living the life a free man if I were not given the BLAME GAME SENARIO !
and could always be worse off ..BUT OF COURSE I SHOULD BE MUCH BETTER OFF !
Eeeh whatever !
Thanks for nothing !!!
But the Obvious or I SHOULD SAY THE RIDICULOUS …

I stumbled upon reading this “California’s Right to Privacy” pdf, a Pepperdine Law Review by J. Clark Kelso on Jan 15, 1992.
Link: https://www.law.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Kelso-Californias-Constitutional-Right-to-Privacy.pdf

The current form of the registry, where it is shared for all to easily be seen probably hadn’t transpired yet, considering Smith v Doe 2003 wasn’t brought up in the early 1990s.

California’s amendment to its constitution to add “right to privacy” was passed on July 5, 1972.

Here’s an excerpt at the conclusion of the pdf review:
*** Start of Excerpt ***
Argument in Favor of Proposition 11

The proliferation of government snooping and data collecting is threatening to destroy our traditional freedoms. Government agencies seem to be competing to compile the most extensive sets of dossiers of American citizens. Computerization of records makes it possible to create “cradle-to-grave” profiles on every American.

At present there are not effective restraints on the information activities of government and business. This amendment creates a legal and enforceable right of privacy for every Californian. The right of privacy is the right to be left alone. It is a fundamental and compelling interest. It protects our homes, our families, our thoughts, our emotions, our expressions, our personalities, our freedom of communion, and our freedom to associate with the people we choose. It prevents government and business interests from collecting and stockpiling unnecessary information about us and from misusing information gathered for one purpose in order to serve other purposes or to embarrass us.

Fundamental to our privacy is the ability to control circulation of personal information. This is essential to social relationships and personal freedom. The proliferation of government and business records over which we have no control limits our ability to control our personal lives. Often we do not know that the records even exist and we are certainly unable to determine who has access to them.

Even more dangerous is the loss of control over the accuracy of government and business records on individuals. Obviously, if the person is unaware of the record, he or she cannot review the file and
correct inevitable mistakes. Even if the existence of this information is known, few government agencies or private businesses permit individuals to review their files and correct errors.

The average citizen also does not have control over what information is collected about him. Much is secretly collected. We are required to report some information, regardless of our wishes for privacy or our belief that there is no public need for the information. Each time we apply for a credit card or a life insurance policy, file a tax return, interview for a job, or get a drivers’ license, a dossier is opened and an informational profile is sketched Modern technology is capable of monitoring, centralizing and computerizing this information which eliminates any possibility of individual privacy.

The right of privacy is an important American heritage and essential to the fundamental rights guaranteed by the First, Third, Fourth, Fifth and Ninth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution. This right should be abridged only when there is a compelling public need. Some information may remain as designated public records but only when the availability of such information is clearly in the public interest.

Proposition 11 also guarantees that the right of privacy and our other constitutional freedoms extend to all persons by amending Article I and substituting the term “people” for “men.” There should be no ambiguity about whether our constitutional freedoms are for every man, woman and child in this state.

KENNETH CORY
Assemblyman, 69th District
GEORGE R. MOSCONE
*** End of Excerpt ***

Bullet points on that excerpt.
1. “the right to privacy is the right to be left alone”.
2. “It prevents government and business interests from collecting and stockpiling unnecessary information about us and from misusing information gathered for one purpose in order to serve other purposes or to embarrass us.”
3. “Even more dangerous is the loss of control over the accuracy of government and business records on individuals.”
4. “The right of privacy is an important American heritage and essential to the fundamental rights guaranteed by the First, Third, Fourth, Fifth and Ninth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution.”

== Thoughts on the bullet points ==
1. The registry runs contrary to “right to be left alone”.
2. The registry is a way to embarrass one specific group, which includes in-person re-reporting.
3. The registry prevents us from looking at our own private information, preventing us from proving its accuracy, which Janice has fought on our behalf. Yet, the government has no legal right to do this as it is preventing the accuracy of the information to be identified by said person, as dictated by the passing of the amendment.
4. I’ll use another excerpt which succinctly spells out what is meant:
*** Start of Excerpt ***
In Griswold v. Connecticut (1965), the U.S. Supreme Court recognized the constitutional right of privacy emanating from the penumbral application of the fundamental rights guaranteed by the First, Third, Fourth, Fifth and Ninth Amendments to the Constitution.
Justice Douglas; wrote:

“[S]pecific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have penumbras, formed by emanations from those guarantees that give them life and substance. Various guarantees create zones of privacy. The right of association contained in the penumbra of the First Amendment is one, as we have seen. The Third Amendment in its prohibition against the quartering of any soldiers ‘in any house’ in time of peace without the consent of the owner is another facet of that privacy. The Fourth Amendment explicitly affirms the ‘right of the people to be secure in their person, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.’ The Fifth Amendment in its Self-Incriminating Clause enables the citizen to create a zone of privacy which the government may not force him to surrender to his detriment. The Ninth Amendment provides: ‘The numeration in the Constitution, of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.’ “The Fourth and Fifth Amendments were described in Boyd v. United States, 116 U.S. 616, 630, 5 S. Ct. 524, 532, 29 L. Ed. 746, as protection against all governmental invasions ‘of the sanctity of a
man’s home and the privacies of life.’ ”
*** End of Excerpt ***

What 4. points to with the “right to pursue and obtain privacy” is that it is a protected liberty. Thus, a loss of liberty is punishment.

Recently, California residents are able to not have their information sold online unless you agree with it, I think it’s called a CCPA. This means California’s “right to privacy” does more than the US Constitution.

The privacy law was added to fend off the future usage of the electronic age. Under this current registry scheme, a registrant’s loss privacy is made to embarrass us with in-person re-reporting as well as limit our freedom of travel as we are supposedly no longer under custody. The state is compelling an individual who no longer is under custody to continue to lose their privacy under this current registration scheme. Your private information is shared, under penalty of law, on your passport. That state is labeling every registrant a current high risk that certain jobs can negate your potential employment or that any military installation base can ban you from entering, both embarrassing events.

Lifetime registration under this current form in California disseminates private information willingly to the world. Before Kelly v Municipal, there was no pathway to be removed from the registry via 1203.4, if you qualified. But back then, only the police department would have that information. Then came PC 290.5 in the 2000s, which negated 1203.4 de-registration and pushed it to a 10-year wait for the Certificate of Rehabilitation. Which also means the governor could pardon you, but that is a rarity. Which brings us to the new tiered registration of 10 years, 20 years, and lifetime.

What boggles my mind is that there are some people that cannot get off the registry. Yet, the California Constitution stated in 1972 that the “right to pursue and obtain privacy” (the right to be left alone) be an inalienable right. The loss of privacy is a loss of liberty under the 1972 amendment. Thus, having no avenue to de-register is unconstitutional.

The loss of privacy should be regained once out of custody, just like every other convict. To reaffirm that privacy is a protected right in California, 1203.4 states the following, “the court shall thereupon dismiss the accusations or information against the defendant”. Yet, the registry disregards this privacy protection given by the 1972 amendment. Why?

What makes PC290.007 (disregards 1203.4 to de-register) unconstitutional, is it simply pushes back the pathway to de-register from one’s probationary period (a few months to five years) to a total of a 10-year wait to regain once’s privacy. There is no rationale between extension to the total of 10 years wait for de-registration as there are no studies between 1958 and the passing of PC 290.5 (in the early 2000s) to increase the punishment of loss of privacy, which was succinctly enumerated in PC 1203.4.

The purpose of the 1972 amendment was to limit government’s intrusion in California.

I don’t know if there are any other cases that brings up “right to privacy” in California, but this 1992 Law Review shares the law is nebulous as there is no concrete definition of privacy, as if it were waiting for an opportunity to be utilized specifically for “right to privacy” as opposed to relying on other US amendments. Welp, the registry is the loss of privacy and the state has increased years in the loss of privacy as well as not have a pathway to obtain privacy for those who are designated lifetime registrants.

The loss of “right to privacy” is a loss of an inalienable right under the Ca Constitution. Why can’t this current form of the registry be unconstitutional once you are no longer under custody to regain your rights?

What does human trafficking and online child sexual exploitation have to do with COVID? Our country has and is run by complete morons that don’t give a damn about you or you family.
DAs failing
Judges bought off
Prison unions got people by the spine
Politicians care about getting re-elected
Public don’t give a rats butt

I bet no one! Could see how sex offender and slavery go hand in hand. Just watch this youtube vid = https://youtu.be/hsxukOPEdgg john oliver tells some hard core fact’s about slavery. And don’t talk about sex offenders. But there is some points that we are slaves on a list watch and see.

I see the most recent winner of ANW (G00gle it if you don’t know what it is) has been charged with sex crimes. Gee, he sure doesn’t seem like a monster…. Good thing NJ has a registry to stop this sort of thing.

Historical event here, but follow it for a sec in applicability…

Aug 6, 1890 was the first electrocution in the USA (Buffalo, NY specifically). When the person scheduled for this appealed to SCOTUS, he was denied on the following cruel and unusual punishment grounds of which he appealed: “electrocution was not cruel and unusual punishment clarifying that ‘[p]unishments are cruel when they involve torture or lingering death'” Daily life for a person forced to register can seem to be a lingering death as we have discussed here many times. However, since this is what SCOTUS thought then about electrocution, they would need a lot more to think anything is cruel and unusual punishment.

Yes if your force to register in the United States of America you are a modern-day slave they even tell you to keep your papers on you in case you’re stopped by law enforcement not to mention segregation they tell you where you can and can’t go where you can and cant eat or sleep and in some situations they even tell you who you can date.
If you meet a girl who has children you’re not allowed to date her in Florida they don’t even want you around your own children imagine that.
Anyone who doesn’t follow these rules or try to escape will be punished severely and made an example out of for the other slaves / registrants stay inline

Trump banned TiTok and Webchat; which is for National Security. With that logic all countries should ban International Megan’s Law for their national security.

“What does human trafficking and online child sexual exploitation have to do with COVID?”

Absolutely nothing. RAINN and NCMEC have recently claimed an increase in reported offenses due to COVID and the quarantine, and no one questions their numbers because of who they are and who they claim to advocate for.

Americans must pay a $2,350 government fee to renounce their citizenship…

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/americans-continue-giving-up-citizenship-at-record-levels-reports-bambridge-accountants-new-york-301107675.html

I wonder how many of these expats are ex-PC290s and feel that $2350 to tell the American government to go F itself is money well spent?

I asked my old phycologist that I still see on occasion to provide a support letter for a matter regarding my registration ( getting a possible employment allowing me to work in a place that has daycare, but not attached to my work space.)
I just wanted all the positive input I could provide for this matter. The employer was a little hinky about it, but said they would be o.k. if I were to provide references. (Can you say C.Y.A.)
He asked what he should write. I couldn’t believe his question. This was a listed Specialist with the county for RSOs and he had no idea what to write. When I finally received the letter it was this vague paragraph with very little reference to my situation. He told me he would be unavailable until the end of the month. Since my follow up is next week, I thought that convenient of him.
These people say they support us and want to help us move forward, but when the time comes to actually step up, they suddenly become too busy to help and don’t want to lose their spot at the county RSO watering trough. BTW, this same guy I found out wouldn’t show up to a court date for another Registrant even after the person’s lawyer requested him. Talk about a hypocrite to the cause. But what else should we expect. The county wouldn’t have hired them if they were on our side.
I will NOT be seeing this guy again.

Does anyone have the code that states 1203.4 can’t be denied as long as you’ve done everything on probation without issue?

I want to get my record cleaned up and would like to do it on my own since it should all be pretty straight forward, but wanted to have this in my back pocket in case the judge decides to play games like they sometimes seem to do. Thanks!

Does anyone know the date and bill or reference information when Megans Law first went on the internet in California?

Does anyone know the date and bill # or reference location, or legislative history that put the registry information online in CA.

I have an appointment to get my passport tomorrow, on the application its asking my place of destination. off the registry, but of course I still don’t want to put where I plan to go, trying to get to the Philippines, Anyone that applied for a passport know if I need to put a place of destination? I am not limiting where I am heading, but considering putting a place where I know I cant get in if anything?

I have to say, i have hit a low depressive point with this covid pandemic. I was building up clientele for my business, getting ahead of my bills, and starting to save some actual money. Then POW! For seven months now I have been slowly draining my savings due to loss of clients. Tried applying at a bunch of jobs, but, well, most of you know how good that usually goes. Applied for unemployment but was refused.
Had moved to a new(er) apartment, but then without good income , I didn’t want to deal with a deferred rent situation, so I found a room with the help of someone. It is unfortunately a disaster of a situation. Pot smoking freeloader retiree living free in her aunt’s home and watches evangelists all day and then spouts profanity on the phone to her daughter all evening. Now there’s a healthy environment for someone already stressed out.
I was told it could be worse, could be without a room. But really, at this point, is that really worse. Seems this damn registry keeps stopping me from moving forward. Sure , every day is a step forward, but to what end. If I drank, did drugs, or just didn’t give a rat’s ass about myself, then I could likely deal with it better. But when I am constantly told by “uniformed” people how nice I am, or how much help I have been, I think,” sure, but would you have said that if you knew.”
I guess I am just tired of trying and getting knocked back. Especially when there is somewhere I could be that wants me, needs me, and really cares about me. Knowing that that is all but ended and that my remaining days are stuck in this hellhole of a society is putting me into a serious funk . So I come here, unload, then turn on my meditation music, and repeat it all over again tomorrow.

hang in there. I know a moderator that is similar situation. But I hope he kept his centralVal house. Hang in the balance A.D.A.T. light IS flickering. I met a man at a acsol nircal mtg that was homeless. And I know that when my husband passes I will be there too, by his side. Now if I can survive this male ball cancer, I think NEXT. Tgx James I. For responding to A.D.A.T.
We All on here need to hang ten.

We discuss SCOTUS here from time to time and now here comes the LA Times with an editorial about term limits for SCOTUS membership which presents an interesting viewpoint on it that could work for or against those who deal with registry issues:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-08-09/18-is-enough-limit-the-terms-of-supreme-court-justices?_amp=true#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s

@SR

As of right now, any CP is tier 3, just as any CP is a non expungement offense as of 2015. And it would only change if the defendant had money and connections.

I posted two replies to SR’s comment about the 1203.4 and they are not posted? Can you post them so I don’t have too look for the links again that shows that 1203.4 has to be granted if all requirement are met?

News from Coalinga State Hospital, California S.V.P. locked facility:

Mike St. Martin, Hosprisoner at C.S.H., tells me that three inmates/hosprisoners have died of COVID19 in the “hospital,” and thirty-or-so have tested positive or are sick.

They have been issued face masks but they lack a nose bridge strip (for adjusting fit around the nose) because they “pose a security risk.” Apparently, the tiny, thin pieces of aluminum could be fashioned into a weapon, according to their administrative, security-theater, brains.

The QAnon Madness has me worried that sooner or later some kind of violence will develop against registrants. That is, above and beyond what is presently experienced.

This SHOULD BE of particular importance in California where the legislature wants to publish additional names and addresses to the registry by ending exemptions while at the same time, delaying relief from registration for many out of concern for clogging the courts in 2021.

The QAnon folks are posting some remarkably aggressive memes, sharing RSO exposure websites, and other content that is aimed at normalizing offenses against people who have already paid their debt to society, and are quietly trying to rebuild their lives within the boundaries of the law.

What’s upsetting about this is it is based on a conspiracy theory that’s gotten out of hand. And well, we know full well what happens when that happens, each and every time…

It would be good to see pressure on the legislature to refuse to delay relief from the lifetime requirement to register, to make termination automatic, and to resist the temptation to publish more names and addresses, if not to abolish the public registry altogether. Likewise, it would be helpful for social media to classify some of the QAnon rhetoric as violent and false and to remove it from their platforms.

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