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Will Allen you do have some guts. The comment you made about “guidelines” was a plus. The comment about sex if that J.C guy can show me proof than he appears to have a jump on all events of human history and this wee je board thing doesn’t cut mustard for some.
MarkE what can I say. Are we all digging our own grave, your own hell by trying to figure out what went wrong or who was playing by the “guidelines” or who is thinking out of the bun. Does render to Ceser mean anything to any on here” or does Ceaser own everything, created everything in and of itself , even setting down his laws according to his “guidelines”
I hate to say it but nobody likes to be wrong. Human man wants to lay the understandings on another, such as “its all about the database” Its all about over reacting to a naked body” So how does one react to a dead body? Even a dead government in many ways. How does one react to a lawyer if thats the case, or the advocate that advocates in putting an end to all this registry.
Am I talking a bit below ones level in this or is there a reason for the season. Seems this PA court reasoned all this out and found the registry to be unconstittional. That should be good enoughfor many but still many are digging their own graves on here and want
answers on here that sometimes Janice and her team are not prepared to answer. Yes Janice can give good results from her law endeavors as many other in those vocations but who is judging who today.
Anyone know how Canada deals with ex 290 registrants? Plan a cruise to Alaska after I am off the registry here in California and aware that the cruise ships make a stop in Canada.
Hey all you people on hear lets all use some common sense. Do you think I am perfect or a know it all. No I’m not perfect. Should we all discern the Spirit. In many ways yes. And yes we all have a spirit and yes we all can be conned. Don’t we all have a right or wrong sense about people also. Sure we all can be sick and tired of being sick and tire.
Now many men on the registry even women are in different situations and in different age brackets. Yes I’m 67. Some are just getting out of high school but made this mistake in this sex registry con. Should they be banned for a life time of a gay watch. You tell me.
The remark about being a Son of God was uncalled for… Yet we are all children of God. Now who wants to motor a bit more about this registry issue. The registry is not working yet LE or government are doing what they think is right to protect and serve yet are they condemning themselves in many ways.Who gave man the authority to go against the ten commandments or how many comment adultery? How many bare false witness? Many of you all on here seem to have the answers to even why the moon is made of “Green Cheese” . What was the space race all about.. to be the first.
Does one think man’s slip is showing in this registry and many other things but its all about the database .. case closed. Talk about conjector. Its all about understanding or who sinned Adam or Eve. One was led astray such as Eve.. and Adam just followed Eve. So what do we have today. A type of mess with this ssex registry. Boys playing ranger games of a sexual nature, or leaders following what government instills on them.
Shouldn’t government have cleaned up the computer before its release or just let porno run wild on these platforms. Why does movies get a bit racy. And yet many lawyers can’t clean up all the mess. Even some constitutional lawyers have their challenges. Is government abusing its powers and authority in many ways. But it is what it is untill someone opens their eyes in this registry game. I could be just as wrong as any of you all.
I’ve been wondering when legislation will be made that puts people on the registry for virtual sex acts. We have the metaverse now – which to me is nothing more than a game – but people are being raped in it! I know it’s an old article – and maybe it was talked about before but here’s an example: A researcher’s avatar was sexually assaulted on a metaverse platform owned by Meta, making her the latest victim of sexual abuse on Meta’s platforms, watchdog says
It’s only a matter of time, folks!
Kayleigh’s law set to go into effect –
Kayleigh’s Law set to go into effect in Arizona on Saturday
In last week’s Meet The Press Reports (link to episode on YouTube), a controversial pastor in a college town in Idaho was challenged on a number of issues, including having a member of his church who is a registered sex offender. The pastor unequivocally stood by him. It’s rare to see that in the media.
Disadvantages of being so opinionated…I lost tmultipl the Convo… I’m in too many…lol
Potential argument about Equal Protection in CA?
Parr v. Municipal Court
ANN KESSINGER PARR, Plaintiff and Appellant, v. THE MUNICIPAL COURT FOR THE MONTEREY-CARMEL JUDICIAL DISTRICT OF MONTEREY COUNTY, Defendant and Respondent; THE PEOPLE, Real Party in Interest and Respondent.
In CA, equal protection can extend to cover a, “targeted group”. In this case, “Hippies”. Interesting read. Info available on multiple sites, pick one.
Right to reputation was actually built into the CA Constitution back in 1931, long before right to privacy, in Melvin v Reid, 1931.
If link doesn’t work, here’s the complete address: https://www.lexisnexis.com/community/casebrief/p/casebrief-melvin-v-reid
The summary version of Melvin v Reid, 1931
RULE:
FACTS:
CONCLUSION:
Note: Right to privacy was not created until 1972 and the courts found a different avenue.
Case text link: https://casetext.com/case/melvin-v-reid
From the case text:
The registry is an unnecessary attack on character.
I hope this helps Janice and ACSOL with a similar suit to PA’s “right to reputation”. But I do also hope CA’s “right to privacy” is also pertinent because there should be a legal pathway to pursue and obtain privacy, or the right to be left alone.
The Right to Privacy was amended into the CA Constitution in 1972. Here are some bullet points for registrants:
Info Practices Act of 1977 expands the privacy by providing limits on collection, mgmt, and sharing of personal info by state agencies. Except in case of 290 registration and Megan’s list. There are no limitations of trampling all over registrant privacy. Also, there is no legal venue for lifetime registrants who cannot pursue and obtain privacy once again.
1798.24 states personal info can be disclosed unless the disclosure is otherwise prohibited by law. If a registrant earns 1203.4, then the registrant has his/her accusation or information dismissed. Only the registrants and criminal agency has that information. 290 registration scheme is a regulator scheme only. Therefore, they no longer can “collect, maintain, nor disseminate” information that is dismissed.
1798.32 states an individual is permitted gainful access to records and able to contest the records. 290 registration prevents any registrant from looking at their own Megan’s List information to contest the correctness of the records.
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Melvin v Reid, 1931 and 1203.4
Part 1: Public record ============
Melvin’s conclusion said this:
1023.4 has two components with respect to public record no longer existing:
From here and with “right to privacy” laws being amended into the constitution, we can state the Registry Scheme 290 is in violation of “right to privacy” once 1203.4 has been granted to any registrant since the record is no longer public.
Nowhere within 1203.4 does it state it cannot remove one from the registry.
Part 2: Rehabilitation and Reputation =========
Melvin’s conclusion said this:
Another word for reformed is rehabilitated.
PC 1203.4 is a test of rehabilitation through a probationary period. From Kelly v Municipal, 1958:
The registry is an attack on character, social standing or reputation (Melvin). 1203.4 is supposed to remove the negative characteristics by setting aside the guilty verdict as well as dismiss the accusation/info against the individual.
Kelly used the punishment angle since the registry was considered punishment back in 1958. But the registry scheme was deemed “statutory. Yet with “right to reputation” as well as “right to privacy” in place of “releases thereafter all penalties and disabilities” (aka punishment), Kelly’s decision runs parallel to Melvin’s decision. The right to reputation and to be left alone should be upheld, especially after the legal system has recognized you were rehabilitated by the rewarding of 1203.4, which states your information is no longer public and cannot be disseminated to any statutory agency.
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Personal
The registry ruined my reputation and privacy after earning a 1203.4, which should have been protected under CA Constitution’s “right to privacy” amendment of 1972 and the Information Practice Act of 1977.
PC 290.007 should never have been passed if the following CA Constitutional laws were extended to registrants:
There was no scientific reasoning for delaying the right to be left alone as well as the right to regain reputation with the passing of PC 290.007. PC 290.007 utilized being a part of a statutory scheme to circumvent Kelly, but the “right to privacy” was never extended to all registrants nor was the fact that dismissed info cannot be shared with a statutory agency. There’s a whole lotta wrong judicially and legislatively in denying de-registration via 1203.4 b/c the right to privacy was never extended to the registrant class.
How can the state of CA state I have been rehabilitated with the granting of 1203.4, but also state I am a monster simultaneously? This duality cannot exist. And looking deeper into the CA laws, once a person earns a 1203.4 then that person’s info cannot be disclosed to any statutory agency, which is the registry. The registrant class was not extended both “the right to privacy” and “1203.4’s dismissal of accusation/info”. That’s how the duality of the state recognizing rehabilitation and labelling one a monster persisted… it suppressed laws against the registrant class.
The state of CA continued to label me a monster after earning 1203.4 rehabilitation. I lost job opportunities because my information was shared after earning 1203.4. I shut down a military base check point for about 30-45 minutes. That experience still haunts me. I would have to wait an additional seven more years before I could petition off the registry via CoR. I can’t gain back those 7 years lost nor the job opportunities that could have blossomed into something more nor the mental anguish with the reputation of being a monster after earning a 1203.4.
The more and more I dig, the more and more I see the 1203.4 registrant class being shafted judicially. I’ve brought up right to privacy for years on here, but it’s finally got noticed recently. Remember that Japanese Internment camps were legal for a period in America. The US is paying restitution for that. Whelp, denying de-registration of the 1203.4 registrant class appears to be trampling on registrant civil rights. Will CA pay restitution for judicial malpractice on the 1203.4 registrant class?
I heard Trump mention that, “The storm was coming”. Anyone got any clue what he could mean by that? Funny he would waste his time on a weather report. You would think he would be too busy finishing his consolidation of the Republican party. Weeding out the last elements of resistance to his total domination of the party. Those few that have not demonstrated complete loyalty to him. Always best for a party to have one absolute, unquestionable, authority that you obey and protect no matter what. A “leader” to define what is, and is not, desirable for the loyal.
His endorsement seems to be critical for victory. It remains to be seen if that is true, but it is so universally believed to be true that few dare risk that it may not be. November is coming, so I guess we’ll find out just how critical it really is. At least in the very small number of elections that have a Republican candidate that has not proven to be a, team player.
Spend some time later making sure that I am in total compliance with all the ever expanding laws that people like me are uniquely required to follow. Wouldn’t want to get one of those multi-decade sentences for being out of compliance with any of them. Wonder if one of those hoards of Cops and Marshalls will stop by to check? You know this gangs of LEOs that drop by unannounced to ensure people like me are in compliance with every single one of the growing list of rules people like me are uniquely required to follow until we are incarcerated or dead.
Funny, I always thought prisons were to teach people a lesson, so they will never do whatever it was that put them there again? Why would you send someone there if you already know they will spend the rest of their lives trying to do that same thing again? It would be a waste of time, wouldn’t it? Valuable prison beds that could be used for redeemable people, wasted on people that you know will never, ever change? Might have to find some other place to put those people, so the good people can be safe. Maybe a hospital, where they can be treated…until we know it is safe to let them out. You know the people who can never be safe to have near you? The ones that must always be sent away, so you can be safe. Of course you can just restrict where the bad people can live, work and go to…at least to start.
Oh, quick totally off topic question, completely unrelated to anything else here. Learning a new language. Anyone know what the German word for, “Leader” is? Tried to Google it but keep getting stuff about the war…funny that.
Have I drifted so far off topic again my post must be nixed? Ok. Just remember, bad things NEVER happen in democracies made up of Good People, that just want to be kept safe from the Bad People. Elected Leaders always work for the best possible world for all their citizens. Even the more “difficult” ones.
Oh and these Leaders never try to rig the judiciary by loading them up with loyal enablers. You know the kind that would almost immediately nix dearly held abilities that many, differently thinking people, assumed were a protected right they would always have. Then maybe move against others. Of course not, silly. Maybe someday if I met the right guy, we can laugh about how silly that Idea is at our wedding.
Parting thought. Anyone know of a place where a guy like me can get a stack of pancakes with some really good maple syrup. Maybe take in a hockey game while eating them? Might really need to find a place like that…sometime around January 20th, 2025. Won’t really know until November 2024….but might get a hint this November. If only they understood what a pressing need I may have for them. Might want to let them know in advance…you know like reservations that you may not keep?
MarkE…not Marky,
It can only happen in places where people are totally convinced that it can never happen. Always been true.
Does anyone know if the alliance for safety and justice helps PFR?
Should note it was the coach while she was in the 6th grade who perpetrated this and was convicted of it. Another person in a position of trust and not on the registry.
“Having a law named for a white victim versus an African American victim or a Hispanic victim does not inherently mean that people of all races don’t benefit from that legislation,” said Teresa Kulig, an assistant criminology professor at the University of Nebraska at Omaha. However, minorities are represented less in naming of laws despite being fully able to benefit from them. (Black victims underrepresented in named violent crime laws)
Naming laws are not just about bringing about a change people see as needed, but about legacy of the person the law is named after. Since when as a society do we feel we need to name laws after ourselves or family to make ourselves feel better, e.g. Adam Walsh, for a legacy when updating or creating a new law? If a law must be named after someone, as was in this instance, then I have to question the real motivation, e.g. selfish attention being drawn, instead of just amending or creating a new law with some acronym. Yes, I went there…
More CA right to privacy:
L.A. No. 30348. Supreme Court of California. March 24, 1975.]
HAYDEN V. WHITE, Plaintiff and Appellant, v. EDWARD M. DAVIS, as Chief of Police, etc., Defendant and Respondent
Deals with police posing as University students to surveil classes and collect data on students and professors.
i can’t even mind my own business these days no matter where I go or what I do I find that people are very nosy, and the less people know about you the more intriguing you become.
Thats why playing it safe and laying low isn’t the answer to PFR’s problems.
How long will you hide from your past how long will you stay in the shadows? until your no longer able to care for yourself, and then your dragged out of you lil registry holes and arrested for FTR.
If people really want change then they gotta fight for it, the clock it ticking trump has politicians in Washington running scard trying to stop him, now is the best time to strike when they ain’t looking and at there weakest point because 10 years from now the registry laws in this country are gonna be even more difficult for us.
Anyone know of how to appeal your tier that doesn’t involve getting an attorney? I read the FAQ on the DOJ website that says to get in touch with an attorney.
At this point though I don’t want to spend another dime on any of this BS. I have been perfectly fine the last few years not being listed on the ML site and counting the days when 10 years would be up and I could try for the COR. Got 17b and 1203.4 in 2019 and everything was going well.
Then this year all of a sudden they list me as Tier 3, lifetime, and blast my full info on the ML site. And they say to get an attorney to appeal?
All of a sudden the state says I’m a monster and puts my full info for everyone to see… and they say it’s not punitive?
Great article from FLAC (Florida Action Committee). I always said that reforming is not the answer, abolishing the registry in its entirety should be the only answer. It is unconstitutional, ineffective, and it harms so many more than just the Registrant.
Article “Plea agreements the norm in undercover sex stings” that involves bait and switch stings. They list the cost of the operation which is far lower and I would think, maybe they are lying about this as well.
Maybe we should do create our own nation.
Here is an article which prove we can.
The Molossian Nation was founded on May 26th, 1977 I. Known at that time as the Grand Republic of Vuldstein, James Spielman was declared King James I, and Kevin Baugh was declared Prime Minister. After a short period of sporadic activity the nation entered into a period of dormancy. King James I, though still monarch, ceased to be active in the kingdom at that time. The Kingdom continued on, without the direct participation of the King, and continued to be developed by the Prime Minister. In 1980 III it was renamed the Kingdom of Edelstein, and in 1988 XI it was renamed again, this time as the Kingdom of Zaria. The Kingdom existed as a nomadic government, without a home. Carried on by the Prime Minister, the Government traveled to Europe. While in Europe, and after its return from Europe in 1992 XV, the Kingdom prospered and grew culturally.
In 1995 XVIII, the Kingdom was transplanted to the State of Nevada, USA. In 1998, land was purchased that our nation could call home, and upon which the government was formally and officially established. In June 1998 XXI, the Kingdom was renounced in favor of a provisional Communist government. In September 1998 XXI, Molossia sacrificed its sovereignty and joined the United Provinces of Utopia as a province of that nation.
more link below
https://www.molossia.org
Petition at change.org to abolish the registry.
Google search:Abolish Sex Offender Registry
Address:https://www.change.org/p/abolish-the-sex-offender-registry.
So far over 12,000 have signed.
Speaking of involuntary servitude, some people argue that you are required to do other things like paying taxes or registering your car, etc, and you might get penalized if you fail to do so, but the difference is that EVERY US citizen or legal resident has to do this, not just a select few. It’s a matter of equal protection.
My wife just called me crying. Apparently someone at her work looked up our address and linked it to me on the registry, which resulted in a bunch of angry parents coming in to rag on her for living with someone like that (a bunch of the store staff are under 18). Her manager sent her home for the day. I’m pissed. I’m seriously pissed. Now we have no idea if she’ll be let go, and even if not, how does she stay in an environment like that? She’ll constantly have eyes on her and people harassing her about it, particularly because she herself is an assistant manager and all these kids work under her. I had a feeling this would happen. Things have been going too well lately. It finally felt like we were stabilizing financially, and I just kept waiting for something to get in the way. I guess it just did. Ugh!!!!
Yet another Change.org petition. Turns out, PFRs got friends we never knew about. Yes, many PFRs and family of PFRs…but not all! Read the comments from signers… They are…hopeful.
Some people are starting to get it, and not just people directly impacted by the registry.
Google search: Petition Megan’s Law is Evil
Result Link
Sign it? Pass it on?
… 1203.4 stuff …
I’ve always listed “set aside the verdict of guilty”, but never did read the segment before it.
So it’s two parts:
……. Part 1: be permitted by the court to withdraw their plea of guilty or plea of nolo contendere and enter a plea of not guilty;
……. Part 2: or, if they have been convicted after a plea of not guilty, the court shall set aside the verdict of guilty;
If you pled guilty or nolo contendere (Part 1), then the court will withdraw that plea and enter the plea of “not guilty” in its place. You case isn’t just dismissed, but the courts recognize the plea as “not guilty”.
To be put on the registry, one has to be convicted of a sex crime, or rather found guilty of a sex crime. But if the courts now legally stated you are “not guilty” of said conviction, then how can you be kept on a statutory agency scheme “WHEN” you are “not guilty” of a sex crime? The registry is propagating false information!
During probation, you are still temporarily guilty. One should be on the registry during that time.
When you earn 1203.4, then the courts removes the guilty conviction and changes it to a “not guilty” result. That is why 1203.4 is often referred to as a case dismissal. If you are “not guilty” of a sex crime, then you no longer belong to the registry.
That is why 1203.4 includes the immunity of “the court shall thereupon dismiss the accusations or information against the defendant.” This immunity reaffirms and solidifies the court to enter a plea of “not guilty”.
Quick review:
The statutory agency scheme, or registry, is sharing info that you are still guilty of a sex crime as well as forcing you to remain on the registry under penalty of law. This makes no logical sense. PC 290.007 denies the fact the court changed the plea to “not guilty”; it is negating the contractual obligation set within 1203.4.
This also brings us back to “right to privacy” as 1203.4 is the legal pathway to regain your private information from being shared, or disseminated. PC 290.007 denies the not only the constitutional right to privacy, but also the benefit of a “not guilty” legal change by the court and the prohibition of using that accusation/info against the defendant.
The court of CA says you are “not guilty” of sex crime, but the registry says you are still guilty of a sex crime.
The court of CA says your accusation/info is dismissed, but the registry is using that accusation/info as live information to keep you on the registry and share with.
The court of CA says your accusation/info can only be shared between you and a criminal agency. The registry isn’t a criminal agency. On a standard background check, the registry does not pop up. On a more in-depth background check like schools or military bases, then the registry pops up.
There’s so much wrong here now that I know I am “not guilty” of a sex crime, but the statutory agency called the registry is saying I am still guilty of a sex crime because a conviction of a sex crime is the only to be on the registry. These two cannot exist without violating protected civil rights:
Const. Art 1. Sec. 7b: equal immunity or benefits (1203.4)
Const. Art 1. Sec 9: law impairing the obligation of contracts may not be passed (290.007 impairs 1203.4 immunities and benefit)
Const. Art 1. Sec 1: right to pursue and obtain privacy (290.007 negates the legal remedy within 1203.4 to obtain privacy, which is dismissed accusation/info against defendant)
Civil Code 1798.1: right of privacy in information pertaining to them (290.007 violates 1203.4’s legal remedy to stop the sharing of private info)
Const. Art 1. Sec 1: right to happiness, which includes a freedom from unnecessary attacks on his character, social standing or reputation as founded in Melvin v Reid, 1931. (PC 290.007 violates 1203.4’s not guilty plea and dismissal of accusation)
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Even the old SORNA recognized if one was no longer convicted, then that person is no longer part of the registry program. 290.007 is retributive as it has no true scientific support.
SB-384 is a legal pathway off the registry, but what of 1203.4’s legal pathway to regain privacy as well as be recognized as not guilty of a sex crime? There’s three tiers for SB-384. Not all tier 1’s qualify for 1203.4. You don’t need a 1203.4 to get off the registry in SB-384. This is another piece of evidence of legislative retribution against the 1203.4 registrant sub-class.
290.007 has ruined my reputation and social standing 7+ years too long after earning my 1203.4. 290.007 violated all the rights listed above that should have been extended to me. I didn’t realize until today that I was “not guilty” of sex crime when I earned 1203.4 over seven/eight years ago, but the registry said I am convicted and guilty of a sex crime during that time.
Is there enough here to sue the State of CA? It’s apparent that the immunities and benefits of 1203.4 are not extended to registrants who earn 1203.4. They still aren’t today!
Got a whole new idea, well at least new to me. The Registry is in fact a “Pains and Penalties Bill of Attainder”. Traditionally BoA resulted in death, thus the P&P version you get to live through.
Just starting to look into this. I’m getting all kinds of ringing bells.
From Cornell University article on BoA:
“…the legislature assumes judicial magistracy, pronouncing upon the guilt of the party without any of the common forms and guards of trial, and satisfying itself with proofs, when such proofs are within its reach, whether they are conformable to the rules of evidence, or not. In short, in all such cases, the legislature exercises the highest power of sovereignty, and what may be properly deemed an irresponsible despotic discretion, being governed solely by what it deems political necessity or expediency, and too often under the influence of unreasonable fears, or unfounded suspicions.” 1 The phrase “bill of attainder,” as used in this clause and in clause 1 of § 10, applies to bills of pains and penalties as well as to the traditional bills of attainder.
The prohibition embodied in this clause is not to be narrowly construed in the context of traditional forms but is to be interpreted in accordance with the designs of the framers so as to preclude trial by legislature, which would violate the separation of powers.”
Oh there is more…check it out…
Google search: pains and penalties bill of attainder
Cornell University result link
Janice seems this electronic monitoring is a bit of a stigma in and of itself. Don’t you think government is being monitored also. Now one can use the sword in vain and one can use the sword of Justice which is a two edged sword of truth. Now if someone’s conscious convicts them than what is the lesser of the two evils? Many will find that study very interesting. At least its better than learning the digital alphabet.
Another school shooting in Oakland, CA. The 2nd in a month. So, why again are we so worried about registrants where the majority of offenses are decades old, non contact???? Can someone smart please shift the focus on more pressing things than harassing registrants and their families? It’s time!