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that argument was just a quick draft my revised version is exponentially more solid and I really hope enough people are interested enough to voice their opinion and desire to see it in its entirety so that hopefully the moderator will go ahead and let me post the entire motion..Plus it is very inspirational and a great motivator when I get feedback from others..
Anyone know how to deal with getting their info off SORArchives.com My requirement to register has ended, yet this guy makes it clear he will not take your info down. I’ve gotten it off all the other private sites but this one.
I even reported it to the hosting site, and they came back in their investigation saying he was saying it was a public record and authentic. I pointed them to the registries and showed I was not there. They said I’d have to go through his online request for removal, and they would not take down the pages.
He states on his removal request form that any information you provide is not confidential (which means he will post whatever you put in the online form), he also threatens that any legal process upon him will be posted with your information on his website. Also, he will only accept receipt of a removal request if it comes from an attorney, again with no mention of actually deleting the information.
Since the lawsuit in Arizona against this guy, he no longer tries to get payment for removal, he just won’t do it.
Why don’t you just post it to a free blog site or free web site and post the link here. When you place long posts here, it makes it impossible to view this site on a cell phone. Many of us only have access here through our cell phones.
here we go there seems to always be a bad apple in the barrel.
thank you so much jo for your totally enlightening and in depth analysis of my short cummings I really appreciate the positive productive conversation that is contributing so much to this conversation…it’s a real honor to have someone of your character and disposition on this site to keep the degenerates such as myself in line…I really look forward to all of your intelligent contributions to any and all of the issues brought up on this site…keep em coming…lmfao…
man the hostility coming from jo there….I think he may need to consult with some type of proffesional to address his anger issues….I believe most people on here would vehemently disagree with your statements on how I should act, what I should post, and what i should according to you…thank you all mighty one…I will definitely abide by all that you command and will obey and follow you to the ends of the world…
good respectful comments one day I will definitely consider and take you opinion into account..I wish others would be so professional…
no more I took your advice I am tired of hearing the whining and crying by the PC police on this site so here we go….anyone that is interested in viewing my motion go here… man i like how the moderator will let others bash me and discredit what I say or do but wont even let me give any kind of feed back to their comments… and Joe says my screen name is offensive…No its the truth…..
http://mllkeys20112011.wixsite.com/mysite
well thank you for at least posting my website… they even changed my screen name …talk about being biased and completely unfair…
Does anyone know anything about residency rules, or any other restrictions in Livermore? My wife and I are thinking about moving over there, to help my son and daughter-in-law, who are expecting twins, in April. We already have a two year old grandson, and she is going to need some help! In general. How does LE treat registered citizens? Any information would be appreciated.
so if anyone reads my motion I would like to hear some productive feedback…thanks..isn’t there a list somewhere that outlines what cities or municipalities that still have the exclusion zones here in cali? if so please post…
Mike R,
Great work on your lawsuit, and I’ve got some suggestions/observations. I still need to read the entire thing, but only have a few minutes so I’ll toss these thoughts out there.
First off, many items in your list of constitutional violations may get immediately shot down by existing precedents unless you can distinguish what is different now VS then, or between you and those precedents. It may take a simple few lines to counter Smith V Doe and Conn Dept of Transportation SCOTUS cases so they don’t try to write you off right away.
Use some specific examples of the vagueness of other state laws for visitors. The resource on this very site lists some that don’t even say what timeframe you have to do anything if you aren’t “moving” to that state:
https://all4consolaws.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Summary-of-State-Registration-Laws-Concerning-Short.pdf
I noticed you don’t go after a violation of “Bill of Attainder” and that may be the new ground you need to cover. If you start with that as your main challenge and then list all the other constitutional violations, it allows a judge to take the easy way and grant you relief on Bill of Attainder and not have to go through all the rest. All of the rest, even if they can pick apart and not grant individual violations, as a whole will show how it adds up to Bill of Attainder. If you lead with Bill of Attainder, I would go to OnceFallen’s web site and take the examples of what those who introduced Sex Offender restrictions laws said that shows their intent to punish and not have any legitimate regulatory purpose. There are lots of those quotes from Senators to victims parents that had laws named after their kids.
I would also find a place to mention the stuff that won the case in the 6th Circuit. I’ll have to go back to it, but I believe they had tons of officials questioned and they couldn’t answer questions about sex offender laws they were in charge of carrying out. It proves the laws are vague and that they actually don’t serve a purpose other than to make life hell. You can also show that none of the information collected at “registration” is actually used for anything and just created as a nuisance. The info collected is already in their system and easily found through standard means without having to report to a police station. Since you are Pro Se, perhaps you can use the data from the 6th circuit suit as funding your own research in your own district isn’t practical.
I’ll post more when I can to chat with you about all this. Great job!
Thanks, NPS.
Chris you have suggested exactly what I am planning to do…I mean exactly..how ironic…I’m definitely going to create a bill of attainder violation and tie it all in with the rest of the arguments..as far as the exclusion zones I want to include any cities or municipalities or even HOA’s codes ordinances mainly focused hear in cali that’s exactly why I need to know where they are still enforcing those in cali and then I’ll shorten the Tennessee example but include codes from florida and some of the strictest states or counties on those exclusion zones…excellent feedback…very positive and productive…thanks and keep em coming….
you know that right to reputation argument was already successful in Hawaii vs bani and the Hawaiian legislators amended their laws to include individual assessment hearings in order to comply but the laws have been ratcheted up even further so now I don’t believe even assessment hearings are enough to negate all the the laws as a whole..the right to reputation issue is the solid settled argument that their is a violation of a fundamental constitutional right in order to trigger the intermediate scrutiny at worst or strict scrutiny which is key in this motion…and the cruel and unusual punishment claim is something that has never really been tried in the way that I am presenting it,,im arguing that it’s excessive and I believe have portrayed and proving that it is also a fundamental right to trigger those higher standards of review…there’s still work to be done and like I’ve said I want to file by fall of this year so I have time…I will not file until I believe it’s completely rock solid and have had it reviewed by law library clerks and I am going to try and get others to comment…every comment helps and is taking seriously and into account..
Mike R, I have some other random thoughts I want to throw out there that could be included somewhere in your lawsuit in order to show the absurdity of current policy. The first bunch may be more federal related than state related, so I am not sure how that could be included in your state filing other than the state’s “label” affecting your ability to travel.
The Sex Offender label is a federally mandated label that includes discrimination by the federal government against this created class in the form of IML, federal housing programs denial, and EEOC guidelines defining being on the Sex Offender list as grounds for employment denial. While this should only be possible if applied equally to all people in the same circumstances, it is most definitely not. Each state controls what crimes qualify to be on the Sex Offender list as well as the arbitrary duration, and to what extent juveniles are included. There is no individual due process to assess potential dangerousness or duration appropriate to the specific action, individual, and circumstances in order to justify denial of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness after the debt to society has been paid and parole/probation has been completed.
In addition, the mere traveling between or moving to other states can result in being added or taken off of this Sex Offender List though there was no change to the original circumstances. Even irregardless of ever actually being on the Sex Offender registry at some time, anyone that has received “deferred adjudication” and has no conviction or a has a conviction of any crime could be in violation of another state’s laws and/or required to register in that state due to each state being able to set the prior criteria for inclusion on the national Sex Offender Registry.
Based on the thousands of city, state, and federal laws against anyone labeled “sex offender”, you would have to research every city along any route of travel or could be in violation of residency restrictions, locations you may enter at all, violating a 2000 foot perimeter restriction, restriction to type of building you may enter, restriction to what web sites you may go to while passing through, and restrictions from who you may associate with. This could put you at risk even in emergencies when seeking medical assistance or a hurricane shelter.
This ought to scare registrants……if nominated, get out the letters and telephones to send in opposition
Trump meets with a leading SCOTUS contender
http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/15/trump-meets-with-a-leading-supreme-court-contender/
beautifully worded Chris I will definitely integrate that into my equal protection claim….man the things we could accomplish if all of us worked together like this….and im going to be challenging both the state and federal agencies in this suit and will file it in federal court…I can’t wait to get ahold of the data from this 20 year study of ineffectiveness discussed in the new thread….I need that evidence. it will improve my motion exponentially..I am still looking for that link to all the different exclusion zones here in cali….keep it coming Chris and anyone else who might believe we can prevail and even those that don’t I would love to hear from you and pick my arguments apart and tell me why you think that particular argument is flawed in any way…
oh wow I just looked at the link you provided Chris…..that’s one of the best contributions to the cause I’ve seen yet…exactly what I needed…..I still want to find exactly what counties or ordinances are still enforcing residency and presence restrictions….
Can anyone answer this question? – The closest branch of my county’s public library is on a high school campus – just a two minute drive from my home. Is it unlawful for me to visit this library after regular school hours are over? The next closest library is a 35 minute drive from my home.
“Documentary Reveals How States Use Interpol’s ‘Red Alerts’ to Persecute Political Opponents”
This is the same agency that is disseminating information about traveling Registrants. Interesting that others are also finding it virtually impossible to obtain the content of Red Notices or Diffusions.
https://www.bellanaija.com/2017/01/documentary-reveals-how-states-use-interpols-red-alerts-to-persecute-political-opponents-watch/
Hi everyone,
Well I just had the worst and most harassing registration update in the past eighteen years.
It was my understanding, that if I am enrolled a college that it is my duty to register with the campus police, per PC290. I have done so in the past, with no issues. As a matter of fact, the campus police officer in charge of campus safety where I am attending, had asked why I don’t pursue a certificate of rehabilitation, for the four picture files of a sixteen-year-old that where found on my computer. He is a really cool guy.
But not this semester I was contacted by the police department having jurisdiction over the college I am attending, that I would need to register with them as well. I figured no big deal, was I ever wrong.
The women that performed the registration had me taking my photos front on, left side, right side, look up look down, etc. She wanted new electronic finger prints (never done this in the past just the old black ink finger prints) she wanted, thumbs, index, middle, ring, pinky, whole hand, palm, sides of palms, top of hands at this point I have been in this room for thirty eight minutes. After wrapping things up in the booking room, I was then told to wait in the lobby until she received an update that my records were accepted. I waited in the lobby for 52 minutes before calling back to see why it is taking so long, she said you are just going to have to wait. I asked her if anything major has changed in the registration process, that would required me to be here anymore than an hour? Her response was “you can leave if you want, but you are not going to get the update the law requires”. I told her I can’t leave because you have my driver license. In the end the regeistrtion update took one hour and fifty one minutes. And to top it all off, my color is still wrong LOL.
This is crazy, considering that I do not have to register with the police department having jurisdiction over the campus I am attending!!!! Am I wrong here?
Below is line 14 from the registration form here in California.
14. If I am enrolled or employed (with or without compensation) at an institution of higher learning, I must register in person, within five (5) working days of commencement of the term of enrollment or employment, with the campus police department or, if no campus police department exists, with the law enforcement agency having jurisdiction over that campus. I must also register in person with the law enforcement agency having jurisdiction over my place of residence or transient location. When I cease being enrolled or employed at that institution, I must notify in person the registering agency for the campus within five (5) working days. (PC §
290.009, 290.01)
I don’t think I need to put myself through that again do I?
There is a “campus police department” on campus, as a matter of fact, the officer that did my update on campus belongs to the same police department as the nasty women that took my info down at the booking office.
Your response is much appreciated
I m enrolled in college for my Fifth semester and all I’ve had to do is register with campus police 5 before or after I start attending classes…the campus police are supposed to forward that information to the agency having jurisdiction over you…the college didn’t forward my info last semester so when I went to do my annual I asked them about and since the college didnt forward my info I had to go back to campus police and made sure they did their job and forwarded my info….thats my experience..check with your registration agency but mine here in Sacramento told me that is the protocol…
(This is unrelated to any specific topic.) I attended my City’s “State of the City” Address yesterday. It was in a school auditorium and I had requested authorization to attend. After several emails back and forth this week, I had been granted permission to attend. No problems, all went fine.
But the principal’s final email stated, “You are free to attend the event.” And my immediate thought was, “Not really. If I were free to attend, I wouldn’t be required to ask your permission.”
well stated david..update for harassing police..just did my campus registration 5 minutes in and out they recomfirmed protocol so you should be alright..
I just wanted to throw this out there..notice the common factor in each of these statements…
“There is no failure except in no longer trying.” – Chris Bradford
“Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm.” – Winston Churchill
“I’d rather be partly great than entirely useless.” – Neal Shusterman