HARRISBURG — A bill seeking to deliver a legislative fix to Megan’s Law for sexual assault offenders was positioned for a Senate floor vote after a key senator gave a green light Monday.
Sen. Stewart Greenleaf, R-Montgomery, repeated his strong objections to the House-passed legislation, House Bill 1952, at the start of a two-hour hearing Monday morning on the Judiciary Committee, which Greenleaf chairs.
The Senate later voted to amend the provisions of HB1952 into House Bill 631, another House-passed bill dealing with probation for a category of sex offenders.
Greenleaf said he decided to move the legislation and vote for it after getting assurances during the hearing from Pennsylvania State Police officials, who said they would provide recommendations for improving Megan’s Law.
Greenleaf wants to address issues beyond the scope of HB1952, which was introduced in response to the Supreme Court’s ruling last summer in the Jose Muniz case. The court ruled in favor of Muniz, convicted of two counts of indecent assault of a 12-year-old girl.
Greenleaf called attention to the need to focus on the most dangerous sex offenders and better manage an offenders registry that has expanded greatly since Megan’s Law was first enacted in 1995.
Until two or more is fought under House Bill 1952 or whatever its called. It was only one for SORNA only. Because A.S. didnt argue it against House Bill 1952 of whatever its called. So as of now 2 or more convictions under 10 year will be lifetime by the way House Bill 1952 or whatever its called reads in the bill. Basically, get your money ready for the fight. A.S. fought to be off SORNA for life. That A.S. is only good for Post Sorna Convictions now that Muniz is Law. Because A.S. argued for the application of SORNA tiers and years. Basically your screwed and if you have 2 or more convictions under the 10 years, your life time.
this is why this is so confusing. here are two different opinions as to whats going to happen with multiple convictions. (A.S. decision) ….my head is spinning right now…
Same language in all ML bills
A statute is ambiguous when there are at least two reasonable interpretations of the text
In conclusion, we hold the statute requires an act, a conviction, and a subsequent act to trigger lifetime registration for multiple offenses otherwise triggering a ten-year period of registration. Accordingly, the award of mandamus relief is hereby affirmed.
http://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Supreme/out/J-36-2016mo%20-%201027723548619209.pdf?cb=1
Not tangents, Paul. Facts on this one. Answer this question.
Has anyone fought the new bill in the court when you have two or more convictions stemming from the same act?
When you answer that question. Read the new bill.
A.S. doesnt apply to the new bill because the new bill didnt exist at the time of A.S. arguement when SORNA was still legal in 2016.
And when A.S. was argued, Muniz wasnt decided yet.
Paul, you are the type of person that needs the answer you want.
As of now if you have 2 or more convictions and if the new house bill passes by Wolf. You will be lifetime until you win an arguement like A.S. because no one fought the fight like A.S. under Megans Law 1 2 or 3.
Sorry, facts are in the new bill.
So if you want off SORNA and the registry Paul, I would get your court order removing you now. Time is running out. House Bill will be signed and you wont be removed until you fight it then. So fight it now while the courts are honoring Muniz.
90 days after Wolf signs it, we are all screwed again.
We are all on your side Paul. But facts are facts. The new bill reads what applies.
So if a registrant moves to Pa, how long would they have to wait until being removed from registry?
Assuming, registrant has been off paper for 17 yrs and pre 2002 conviction.
In addition I just got off phone with PSP and they said that people with two or more 10yr offenses are going to be removed the same as someone with one
@paul I guess we’ll all have to wait and see.
Michael
February 11, 2018
@Paul 2
Don’t believe everything you hear or read.
Funny!
What the hell does A S stand for? Seeing that I was out of state and my Time us done but still on this stinkin list, I was never ordered by the court to register but it states in my plea agreement it’s up to probation if I am to register or not, I’m assuming I was to register now that I reread my plea agreement, I went to mail in reporting from pa to my original state but was never told you have to register by my P.O., pa made me register for ten years then SORNA added 15 more on. Anyway I spoke to Reeds lawyer today, he said he doesn’t know if he can help because I am out of state offender, he wants to sit down and talk so I’m going to schedule an appointment. All I need is a cease and desist letter I think, I’m not filing a mandamus that would be ridiculous.
Let me ask this, when you say 2 or more convictins, you mean like ids x 2 something to that effect, what about shoplifting, car theft, assault with a dead weapon, murder, armed robbery, or is it just SO offensis?
I only have 1 conviction I was just wandering the extent of this that would make someone lifetime SO,
@paul
You just stated that A.S Was for If you had more than 1 teir 1 and/or teir 2 Convictions stemming from 2 separate offenses and/or convictions that would make you life. You are correct under SORNA.
And you spoke of Megan’s law 2. And AS is for Megan’s law 2 Also.
You’re logic is correct, and you are correct. However the day house bill 1950 to get signed into law there has been no argument or confirmation that AS can apply retro actively to house bill 1952.
Because house bill 1952 is not a tiered system. And ML 2 doesn’t exist anymore.
I hope that 2 or more convictions isn’t lifetime registry but you have to understand the PSP does not care about you. They know that AS is a case that was won For SORNA Registrations confirmed by the lutz Morrison decision.
Yes those 2 decisions can be Used as cases to go up against house bill 1952 to prove that 2 or more convictions stemming from the same offense can’t make you a lifetime register but for the time being when you read house bill 1952 there is no language in there about any Supreme Court decisions other than Butler and Muniz.
@Paul 2 HB 631
No need to get mad about it. When the time comes. You will know what you are, life time or 10 year or nothing.
Why so much attitude?
Yup that’s pretty easy. One of three things will happen your lifetime, 10 year, or your will be off nothing zero zilch. My life is so much easier not worrying about what PSP is gonna do to me cause there is only so much they can do considering muniz is law. I made it 14 years from a 10 year registration so I’m pretty sure my mind, body, and soul can take alittle more screwing from PSP at this point. PSP WILL NOT BREAK ME.
That pretty much sums it up.
I guess all the SO’s who talked to wolf fell on deff ears,
I was sentenced in December 2010 to 6 years probation and no megan’s law. With SORNA i was retroactively placed on the list. My indecent assault and solicitation of indecent assault put me on for life. After the 2016 decision I was dropped to 25 year. Muniz should take me off. What should I do? Would this new hb 1952 keep me on or off? Help! I cant afford the 2500-3500 the attorneys want to charge me.
Thanks Paul! I talked to PSP yesterday and they said there are no notes on my file as of now. So what can I do to ensure this new law won’t keep me on? File a motion? Would probably do this on my own unless you know of any affordable attorneys in the Harrisburg area…
No one gave up @ Paul. Just letting the new law take its course. If it gets me, probably not, because I have no record. Or if it gets my husband and he has an IDSI. Or if it gets our dead grandparents because they were buried the wrong way. We will all see and hear the effect on you or others soon enough. No giving up, just that you need to hear from people what works for you or you need the answer you expect it should be. Thats a character defect, because if you dont get what you want or hear the word yes, then well, you know, registriants are on the list because you know, for not excepting the word no or needing the hear the word yes! They are also on the list for not getting what they want! Just stating facts, opinions, and how I read the law. I am also not for you coming off the reqistry. I am for you coming off SORNA. but not the civil law.
@ paul
Well starting a business is a Practical thing to do. I wanted to start a ice cream truck and day care business but thought it might not be such a good idea. Anyway I hope you Get what you want.
LOL!
On that note, our debate is over. Yeah, definatly not a good idea. Since the community thinks that all registered citizens jump out of ice cream trucks and use day cares as preying grounds.
We definately need to stick together, and yes my husband and I hope you, him, and others get off the registry.
Thats what we are fighting for, its been fun @paul. Have a good day! BS with you later.
My quarterly registration starts today. So I called the PSP Megan’s law section saying I hadn’t received a letter and wanted to know if I can go to register without this.
I was told due to the changes they currently cant send any letters out and I should go without one.
I asked if everyone would be reviewed within the 90 days after the governor signs it into effect and was told that wouldn’t be possible due to 17,000 that need to be reviewed and limited staff to do this. It was also stated that they can’t go into details because everything else is an in house matter.
We all have our opinions on this and I’m sure most of you agree with me. I plan on going next week so I will update again afterward.
Well marsico was known for designing SO laws and getting them to pass and whatnot knowing dam well they were unconstitutional, now he’s going to run and retire because they know 1952 and 631 aren’t going to stand up in court on the first challenge and are ex post facto, It’s already going to be knocked down as soon as it’s passed anyhow, Edmund Haenig is going to challenge HB 1952 – Edmund is former Bethlehem police officer and admitted sex offender, he has hired a lawyer to challenge the expanded registration requirements of Megan’s Law which will bring HB 1952 to the front of the agreement on due process – ex post facto retroactive application of Megan’s law. Here we go yall a new Muniz is up.
I’ve been watching everything unfold since the Muniz decision came down. 8, like you all, have been riding this rollercoaster the entire time.
I am currently tier 2. I was originally sentenced in 2005 and given a 10 year registration. I have 2 charges that are registerable. My 10 year requirement would have been up in 2015, pre-sorna of course.
I was due to update my registration the first 2 weeks of February. When I didn’t receive a letter I called on Friday to the state police and was told that due to these ongoing court cases that I would not receive a letter, and that I could go register”to be safe” if I wanted to, which I did. The registering officer told me similar, and said that hopefully i would be off the registry by my next registration.
However reading some of the comments about these new bills, I’m confused again. It sounds like of the 17,000 people who would have to come off, a large majority may go back on? Why is that? Would I still be in the clear since I “should have” been off pre sorna?
I have been harassed by my downstairs neighbor recently, who I heard yelling through the floor that he would “end me” and “do the world a favor and take me out.” I’ve never done anything to him, ever. I had the same problem with the first tenant who was there when I moved in. I just want to move on with my life. I am engaged and looking for a house and I desperately want us to be able to leave this behind.
I am hoping for some good news. Does anyone have any insight into how things stand, or might stand with my situation?
Starting from February 5 I think there was 22,775 Registrants I could be wrong and today there are 21,655 people now, they removed 131 sense 8am this morning, Here is the link if you want to see psp progress, it goes up and dawn due to people being added and removed every day. if they stick to this pace that will be close to 3500 a month, I suck at math by the way.
https://www.pameganslaw.state.pa.us/Reports/MegansStatReports?path=%2FMegans_Law%2FOffenderPublicRpt&ReportName=CountActiveOffenders
@Paul chikety check
How much time do you have left or are you done?
Paul I respectfully decline you email offer, the only way I will do contact is through this site, NARSOL and PARSOL, I don’t trust people and I don’t know anyone on here in person, no pun intended.