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TX: Texas Supreme Court to hear sex offender law challenge

The Texas Supreme Court will consider a challenge to the state’s retroactive sex offender laws that some say unfairly stack new punishments on those convicted in plea deals. Full Article

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  1. Chris f

    Texas has always been a lost cause. Our elected judges dont care about the US or Texas constitutioms if it gets in the way of re election or offends their church friends.

    Texas is one of the few states where the constitution forbids BOTH punitive and civil retro laws but they still say its ok for sex offenders.

    Texas has a majority of scotus cases because its state courts rule against the constitution all the time. They also won’t change due to a scotus ruling. Brown v board of education was ignored for 10 years until congress made a law. Horrible state I live in but at least it isn’t Florida.

    • Hostage in Texas

      Yes. Texas. Land of freedom and independence. Maybe in the early 1800’s. Not now. Dont want to step on any toes, but……….this state is run by the Bible thumping right. No forgiveness. Just punishment.

    • Timmmy

      The title has been updated. “Texas Supreme Court asked to hear sex offender law challenge.” I once had an attorney which said always take cases to the Federal court because those elected judges will never decide in your favor if it means making an unpopular decision which will jeopardize their elected position. This means that court will not be hearing this case.

  2. cool CA RC

    Didn’t they try this in California and RC lost?

    I think the court ruled “State of California” can do whatever they want.

    I think I read something like “If this was a murder not a sex case we would have won”

  3. Jack

    Well I don’t want to get anybody’s hopes down but, I think we all know how this one’s going to turn out.

  4. Steveo

    So I live in Texas. I took a plea deal for 10 years differed adjudication in January of 1994. I’m guessing that this will affect me. I hope it goes well.

  5. kari

    Hey Steve,

    Yes, you are correct if this is a win you will no longer have to register.
    Also there is two other federal lawsuits in the works.

    • CR

      @kari,

      I know about 3:18-cv-629 John Does #1-7 vs Abbott. It has been mentioned here recently. It was John Does #1-153 in the original complaint, I believe. That case was filed in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas, Dallas Division.

      What is the other Federal court case you referred to?

      • kari

        UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
        WESTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
        AUSTIN DIVISION
        JACK DARRELL HEARN;
        DONNIE LEE MILLER; and,
        JAMES WARWICK JONES
        Plaintiffs
        V. CAUSE NO. 1:18-cv-00504
        VINCENT CASTILLEJA, in his Official
        Capacity as Manager of the Texas
        Department of Public Safety-Sex Offender
        Registration Bureau; and,
        STEVEN McCRAW, in his Official
        Capacity as Director of the Texas
        Department of Public Safety; and,
        Defendants
        PLAINTIFFS’

      • kari

        Hey CR,

        Here is a snap shot of the lawsuit.
        Court Cases to Watch:

        Hearn v. Castilleja

        (Filed by Attorney Richard Gladden)

        U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas. Hearn v. Castilleja, No. 1:18-cv-00504-LY (filed June 18, 2018). Unlike prior constitutional challenges which have alleged violations of the Ex Post Facto Clause of the U.S. Constitution (and which have all proved unsuccessful in court), this new lawsuit takes a different legal approach. It contends Texas’ breach of “negotiated plea bargains” entered into prior to 1997, insofar as the plea bargains did not require registration at the time (or limited a person’s duty to register to the length of their community supervision), violates the Substantive Due Process Clause of the U.S. Constitution as interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court in Santobello v. New York, 404 U.S. 257 (1971).

        • CR

          kari, thank you for that. That’s another case that wasn’t on my radar. I appreciate the heads up.

  6. TXSO4LIFE

    Here’s a new SO case (expos facto claim / in person requirements) to keep an eyes on. It’s currently pending cert before US Supreme Court. Hope the Court grant cert on that one http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/boyd-v-washington/

    • AJ

      @TSSO4LIFE:
      Thanks for posting about this case. I recall reading the Decision a while back and hoping it would be petitioned to SCOTUS, but then forgot all about it. Here’s a link to the Petition, which is worth reading: http://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/18/18-39/51946/20180702110105142_Boyd%20Cert%20Petition.pdf

      IMO, this case will be a canary in the coal mine for us. It’s a very specific, powerful question to get answered. In-person was one of three prongs in Snyder that made it punitive (school-zone exclusions and offense-based tiers being the other two). I feel if SCOTUS denies cert, it will strengthen the States’ cases around the country and will put a big dent in the leverage of Snyder and Muniz. I fear their denying cert, and dread the outcome of a denial. I won’t be surprised if they kick the can with a CVSG since AWA also requires in-person reporting. If so, it’ll be interesting to see how the USSG addresses it, given his avoidance and dancing in the Snyder amicus (https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/briefs/2017/07/07/16-768_snyder_ac_pet.pdf).

      • TXSO4life

        I agree with your point AJ about the better chance of it being deny of cert. However, given what kavanaugh has been through with his confirmation hearing, I am of optimist that he will be one of votes (crossing fingers) help to grant cert. How he will rule on the matter is another question which i am less optimist. On a side note, here’s another case pending cert grant before scotus …https://www.google.com/amp/www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/eaton-v-united-states/amp/
        for some reasons, this case has been on multiple reschedule conference by scotus since 2017.

        • AJ

          @TXSO4life:
          I wasn’t so much saying I’m of the opinion they will deny cert., I was instead saying I fear the outcome IF they deny cert. I’m hopeful they will take it but really have no opinion.

          That other case (Eaton) being carried over from the previous Term isn’t odd or extraordinary. SCOTUS would have had to have accepted it pretty much right away for it to have been decided by the end of June. I suspect they kept kicking it along in conference because they knew (at least among the Justices) that Kennedy was retiring. Since it wouldn’t be heard until this Term anyway, saving it for the new Justice to vote on would fall in line with how SCOTUS tends to operate. With the U.S. having now responded, it will probably now get voted up or down fair soon.

          I find it interesting and heartening that RC cases are finally percolating all the way back up to SCOTUS. One of them will be our Goldilocks, I’m sure of it.

  7. mike r

    This is cruel and unusual punishment, not just punishment and I wish he would of included that already.
    “During the week of December 24, 2014, for
    example, the sheriff’s “Transient Tracking” sheet
    shows that Mr. Boyd slept in the following locations:
    “Hwy 9” on Monday; “Concrete apt. #3 behind
    bakery”2 on Tuesday; “McLaughlin M.V.” on
    Wednesday; “Lafayette mom’s” on Thursday; “Bro
    Casey Hwy 9” on Friday; and “Concrete fishing” on
    Saturday and Sunday. App. 5 n.1.”

    45 Frigging months, absolutely cruel and unusual to subject a anyone, let alone a homeless individual, to these impossible to comply with, arduous and onerous reporting requirements. Nothing in our recent or even in the history of this country has this type of in-person reporting requirements where you face prison for not providing info to LE on a fixed schedule while not on supervised release. Absolutely unusual and it raises to the bar of cruel as well…People are out of their frigging minds I tell ya…
    “After he failed to check in between January
    27, 2015 and February 10, 2015, the State charged
    Petitioner with failure to register as a sex offender.
    App. 5. Mr. Boyd was convicted as charged and
    sentenced to 45 months in prison. Id.”

  8. mike r

    @TSSO4LIFE. Yeah, that is a serious case for me. I did not know that was out there. Man I thought they had to at least go thru the 9th before applying for the writ. Learn something new every day. This is incredibly relevant AJ. So I cannot believe the Washington SC denied, I thought they shot down the old version of the registry which in turn the 9th shot it down and then SCOTUS overruled. It seems they would really be down on this. This is ruthless in-person reporting. I am not liking that it does not go into the entire registry with all the effects or the recidivism challenge along with the fact SCOTUS was duped in McKune. Be interested to read everything on this case.@>>AJ ????????
    Really important to my case. Here is the significance: if they accept it and uphold the law then I may still stand a chance with everything else in my complaint, but it would make it extremely harder that is for sure. If they take it and shoot down the law and name it punishment my case is a done deal. If they reject, IDK, I know it makes it harder for me but it would not necessarily be the end of it with all the other elements that I am bringing and the record that I am creating. I still believe the recidivism gov reports as judicial notice and laying out how the court was duped is going to carry a heavy weight regardless of anything else. This is serious any way it goes……

    • AJ

      @mike r:
      “I thought they had to at least go thru the 9th before applying for the writ.”
      —–
      This is a lawsuit in WA State Courts, not Federal Courts. Therefore, the 9th isn’t even involved.
      =====
      As to your question about how long SCOTUS takes to decide to accept or reject, I can only say it takes them as long as it takes them. Heck, they could even kick it to the next Term if need be or so inclined (doubtful).

  9. mike r

    AJ once again, how long does it usually take to decide to accept or reject the writ? I see the state still has to respond, and petitioner gets to respond back I believe, but this is going to happen pretty fast I would think. Wow, I wonder if this is already having some kind of effect on my cases time line, like if they are waiting to see what happens here.

  10. mike r

    Wait a minute, why is this on the SCOTUS blog?
    Then it states “In the Supreme Court of the United States”
    Are we talking about the same case? Am I missing something?
    http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/boyd-v-washington/

    • AJ

      @mike r:
      Boyd sued in WA State Court challenging violation of his Federal Constitutional rights. He appealed his case through the WA State Court system, reaching a dead-end in the State Court system when WA SC denied hearing. He is now appealing to the Court of Last Resort for all Federal Claims: SCOTUS. Had Boyd challenged WA under its State Constitution, his appeal process would have ended when WA SC denied.

  11. David

    Here’s more media covetage:

    https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Texas-Supreme-Court-to-Hear-Sex-Offender-Law-Challenge-495963971.html?amp=y

    I found this last paragraph especially annoying because the entire point of the lawsuit is that these individuals might NOT have ANY duty to register.
    Therefore, they are not being “relieved” of any Duty to register because no Duty existed to begin with!! TPSD attorneys make it sound as if the plaintiff are being given something or receiving some special benefit they’re not entitled to. That is not the case!:
    “Texas Department of Public Safety attorneys warn the lawsuit could relieve many “other sex offenders of their duty to register.””

    • Will Allen

      Completely agree.

      I do continue to find it funny on an ongoing basis that most people who support the Registries and their criminal regimes really have no clue just what a bunch of stupid douche bags that they are. What they say and do is offensive. Their existence is offensive. I feel sorry for people who know them.

      One great thing that the Registries actually do is allow people to see who zealously supports them and thus is a douche bag that should be avoided like a plague.

  12. Anthony

    The very fact that every plea bargain entered before the 2003 U S Supreme Court ruling allowing retroactive sex offender registration on parole or completed sentences was breached because the premise was that is was to be civil and protect society in which is not the case at all. The statutes on the books in all states and federal jurisdiction is punitive and no evidence clear and convincingly show that the registry protects children at all. The Texas Supreme Court will hear the facts laid out to prove that the retroactive application did breach all prior plea bargains not just probationers and give all relief to those be off the registry or overturn all the old sex offender convictions that predates any statutes.

  13. mike r

    That is a big “if” the Washington SC denied his Washington constitutional claims. So your telling me he did not include the Washington state constitutional violations as well? WTFFFF? Why would you just challenge the federal violations in state court. That is idiotic to me. Why do all that state court instead of just taking the federal claims straight to the federal courts. I do not presume the state court considers state constitutional violations unless specifically included in the complaint, right? Complete waste of time when you know it is just going to go straight to federal court. Even if the state court granted relief he would still have to go thru federal court because of the federal violations I believe. If that happens then that state SC court decision would be useless, right? It is only SCOTUS who can decide federal violations and any state court (including state SC) has to follow SCOTUS in that case, right? IDK it just seems strange to me to file federal constitutional violations in state court. State constitution in state court, federal constitution in federal court. That is what I always thought. I understand either court can consider either constitution, but you have to specifically ask them which ones and under what violations. Why would you not go state constitution in state court because if they decide to shoot the law down on state constitutional grounds then it does not matter what SCOTUS states, its stands in that state. You pretty much get two shots at state constitution, one in state courts and then in federal courts. Going to make it a little harder to go back and refile on state issues in state court again, buy whatever… Believe me if I lose in the federal courts on the federal constitutional grounds I can go ahead and refile in state courts on state grounds. I guess he can as well, but should of just file on state grounds as well to begin with. Just like if I would have known that a case goes directly to SCOTUS after state then I would definitely have filed in state court to begin with but I would have included both state and federal violations. I wish I had anyways. Just do them both at once and cut through the BS. Am I right on this?

  14. mike r

    This Texas case is pretty interesting though… Is this Texas case just on the narrow contract clause issue or is it claiming the retroactive punishment issue as well? I have not read the case but from the following statement it appears it may just be on a contract clause, or whatever clause keeps them from changing a plea deal. They state specifically in the article that
    “Every qualifying sex offender was ordered onto the registry in 2005 after Texas expanded its sex offense laws. >>But that included some defendants who were promised in deals with prosecutors that they wouldn’t have to be on the list after a certain amount of time.”<<
    It seems as though they will prevail on the plea agreements deal. That is a contract with the state and every provision is just that, a provision that was agreed to. Blatant violation of a contractual agreement. This is what I was saying about us being forced into a contract with the state against our will, under color of law, and under threat of extreme punishment, coercion, and duress. I think this is an issue worth exploring and with merit. I already know I will file if I lose on every thing else.

    • CR

      @mike r: — “It seems as though they will prevail on the plea agreements deal. That is a contract with the state and every provision is just that, a provision that was agreed to. Blatant violation of a contractual agreement.”

      We hope they prevail, but I think it is by no means certain. Apparently a similar claim did not prevail in California. Did you not read where Janice posted earlier today that the California Supreme Court “… ruled that a plea bargain is a contract that can be unilaterally changed by the government, but not the registrant.” https://all4consolaws.org/2018/10/fl-ex-post-facto-lawsuit-filed-fac/comment-page-1

      I don’t know the basis for the CA Supreme Court’s ruling, or if similar reasoning would apply in Texas, but it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Texas Supreme Court concluded the same.

  15. HopingForHope

    Does anyone know: If you are no longer required to register in your current state, then move to Texas, are you subject to registration laws as a new resident of Texas?

    • CR

      If you read the Texas registration statute ( Chapter 62 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/CR/htm/CR.62.htm ), you will find that your registration status in the state you are coming from is never mentioned. It is irrelevant to the state of Texas. If you have a reportable conviction or adjudication that meets the criteria spelled out in Chapter 62, you will have to register. This is how most states operate.

      A person who has a “[r]eportable conviction or adjudication … based on” a long list of violations of Texas statutes, OR who meets the following criteria would have to register:

      ============
      (H) a violation of the laws of another state, federal law, the laws of a foreign country, or the Uniform Code of Military Justice for or based on the violation of an offense containing elements that are substantially similar to the elements of an offense listed under Paragraph (A), (B), (B-1), (C), (D), (E), (G), (J), (K), or (L), but not if the violation results in a deferred adjudication;

      (I) the second violation of the laws of another state, federal law, the laws of a foreign country, or the Uniform Code of Military Justice for or based on the violation of an offense containing elements that are substantially similar to the elements of the offense of indecent exposure, but not if the second violation results in a deferred adjudication;
      ============

      • HopingForHope

        Thank you for this. So, does that mean, depending on your offense, the registration clock starts all over for you when you move to Texas, ie, 10 years, or 15 years, or 20 years, or life, or whatever their tier structure is?

        • AJ

          @HopingForHope:
          Some (Many?) States say the registration period from another State has no bearing on its term, and some say you serve the longer of theirs or your convicting State. However, both of these would seem to fly in the face of the 14th Amendment and the Privileges and Immunities Clause, and perhaps the fundamental right to Freedom of Travel. If a State imposes different standards on you as a migrant, simply because of your migrant status (i.e. exercising your right to travel) than it would on a similarly situation native, there’s a Constitutional problem. I’m not saying the State won’t try; what I am saying is there’s a strong case a State would lose on it in Federal Court–State Court would probably be a crap shoot.

          There’s currently a Federal Court case in Indiana dealing with something along this line, and I’ll post info about if you wish.

  16. HopingForHope

    AJ- Yes, please do so. Thank you for your help with this. We’re fortunate to have so many informed participants on this forum. Reading statutes is like reading Greek if you are totally non-lawyerly, like me.

    • AJ

      @HopingForHope:
      Here you go: https://ufile.io/sm85d This file was uploaded from a small repository I keep, thus the parenthetical in the filename. The file itself was downloaded from PACER (Fed Court e-Docs), so it’s “clean.”

      Keep in mind this is an ongoing case, and this document is only a preliminary injunction…NOT a decision.
      However, it does address the disparity in treatment between natives and migrants.

      • Chris f (@AJ)

        That is a good case that they should win.

        If they do, anyone convicted of a sex offense before 1995 should move there to get off the registry since at least that state’s judiciary properly recognized the ex post facto issues. Also, those convicted after 95 may also get off registration if their particular offense was not registerable in Indiana at that time.

        Nothing like a good sex offender migration to stir the pot and show how rediculous the differences are between states treatment of those convicted of sex crimes and how the registry probably shouldnt be deamed constitutional in any state.

      • E @ AJ

        Thanks AJ. I had never seen this injunction ruling before. Amazing. I wonder what has become of the case, seeing as that’s about 7 months ago now.

        If won, this could be helpful to those on the WI registry (offense committed there) who no longer live in WI but are required under WI statutes to continue registering there AND in their state of residence indefinitely.

        The WI statutes differentiate people convicted in state vs. out of state (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/301/45). Would you see that as an Equal Protection issue? See 301.45 (5) for “convicted in state”. Then a few years later 301.45 (5m) was added for “convicted in other states”, which says that when someone with an out of state offense moves to WI, they must register in WI, BUT when they move back out of WI they DO NOT remain on the WI registry (my simplified interpretation).

        Also, the WI statute is buried in the DOC section of code… and has NO preamble at all (denying intention to punish)… I’ve wondered how to use that to attack it (though some subsequent cases seem to have commented on that, I believe).

        AJ, Chris f, Mike r and others, what do you see in this? Thanks for your perspective.

        • AJ

          @E:
          “I had never seen this injunction ruling before. Amazing. I wonder what has become of the case, seeing as that’s about 7 months ago now.”
          —–
          I’ve posted this case a few other times on here, mostly in discussion post-Muniz in PA. Yes, the case is ongoing, with no real progress of late–I check on it now and then. Last update was August 10, 2018, but nothing major happened. I don’t know why it’s been sitting dormant so long; perhaps they are in negotiation for a settlement or maybe now they’re hunkered down preparing their cases with the injunction in place. Last I saw, the sheriffs continue to try to get dismissed from the lawsuit, and continue to be denied. I typically don’t dive into the documents that don’t appear useful or aren’t Opinions, as costs can add up in PACER pretty fast. (Opinions are free.)

          On a related note, no movement with Rankin, either. Last action in PACER was Nov 15, 2018.
          =====

          I looked at the WI Statutes from your link, but they started to make my brain hurt. What a horrible and awkward lettering and numbering convention! Do I read it right that someone convicted ex-WI is subject to the lesser of the term of their residency in WI or 10 years? Meanwhile, those convicted in WI are 15 years, or more? How odd that a migrant is treated *better* than a native. Also, where is the section saying you have to register even if you move away?

          Equal Protection would be about the only angle I see, but I’m not sure it has traction. It would seem WI is applying some sort of Full Faith and Credit process, which is also quite odd. What I fear a court would say is that the WI offense and the ex-WI offense are not the same offense. I’ve previously read something along this line in some other court case–how convenient it’s a similar offense for registration, but not otherwise.

          From what I recall from reading some quite dry academic papers, the regulatory extraterritorial jurisdictional (aka Long-Arm stautes, aka horizontal federalism) reach of States (like WI and NY) has never been fully or properly decided. There are a few papers out there about it and they all pretty much say SCOTUS has never been clear on it. (Which to me means it doesn’t want to be.)

          It would *seem* that if a WI/NY POTR moves away and has little or no connection to the State, no WI/NY court would have personal jurisdiction over the POTR. This *should* mean they cannot even issue a warrant. However, given the felony result if one is wrong, it’s an awfully risky proposition to push it…and literally puts you on defense.

          Instead, filing a federal suit, in the District encompassing the capital to establish a valid venue, and maybe pushing either Due Process or the Dormant Commerce Clause may be the route. The latter would work best if a POTR were free from registration outside WI/NY, as then the claim could be made the law is interfering with interstate/international commerce. No matter what, it would be a very tough argument to make.
          =====

          “Also, the WI statute is buried in the DOC section of code… and has NO preamble at all (denying intention to punish)”
          —–
          Inside the criminal code is helpful, but definitely not dispositive. Who administers the program, LE or DMV, DPS, etc? That would help too, though still is not dispositive. As for the lack of preamble, I’m guessing the courts would excuse that and claim the legislative intent is clear from the language (or some similar tripe)–but lack of a preamble does seem to play poorly for WI, esp. with it buried in the criminal code (and even more so if administered by LE). If you can, dig into the legislative history of the laws and see what, if anything, was said in session, committee, or the draft legislation. Some states put this stuff on the web for easy access, some may require a visit to the capital or a law library.

        • E @ AJ

          Thanks AJ. So helpful.

          “Also, where is the section saying you have to register even if you move away?”
          =============
          Nowhere. Literally. It’s just how it’s been interpreted by DOC (which is the agency administering it, your other question). There is no language that says you CAN deregister when leaving the state, so they say you cannot deregister.

          Sick! What makes this quite tough for a POTR is that the two registry schemes we them live under (2 states) are DIFFERENT. I suffer near-PTSD wondering if I’m updating things correctly under two different statutes that require me to give them different information in different timeframes. Ex: WI requires all internet identifiers. My state of residence only requires some, and within a different timeframe than WI. Just one example. Crazy.

          Thanks for your thoughts. The long-arm issue is the biggie, I think, but a weak hook to hang a hat on. This POTR has not resided in WI since the mid 90’s yet I still get and will always get my annual paperwork to fill in…

        • AJ

          @E:
          “There is no language that says you CAN deregister when leaving the state, so they say you cannot deregister.”
          —–
          IIRC, this is the same logic used in NY, but I think there it was formally adjudicated in response to a lawsuit. Perhaps one of our NY POTRs on here can help with that. I get that they rely on the law saying those convicted in WI of such-and-such must register until X time, but at some point they lose authority over someone outside the jurisdiction. If not, what’s to stop them from saying anyone born in WI must do this or that? (I know, a leap, but still….)

          Maybe you can find something in the early sections of WI code that says it applies to all present and/or resident in the State, or something along that line. IOW, see if they somehow limit their own jurisdiction in any manner somewhere in the general code.

          That aside, deregistering is a different act than continuing to register. How exactly to parse that to the satisfaction of a court, IDK. The only examples I can come up with are there’s no requirement to deregister one’s DL, or voter registration, or income tax requirements. The citizen moves and ceases in WI, and starts up in the new State. Perhaps someone else here can chime in on it.

          =====
          Since you’re long gone from WI, the State has no claim of connection anymore. Unfortunately, you may no longer have standing to sue as civil rights cases typically have a statute of limitation, often only 2 years. If you want to dig into it, you may need to file FOIA/Sunshine Law requests with DOC. I’d certainly want something in writing from WI stating their position…including any agency guidance the AG may have provided.

          **Sorry if everything above was a bit scrambled. I was thinking stream-of-consciousness and fear perhaps I jumped around a bit. That happens when I watch sports while posting. 🙂

        • E @ AJ

          AJ, thank you!!!! I’d buy you a beer, brother… I’ll keep mulling on this.

          Your comment on standing would be the ultimate irony. I’ve lost standing because I’m not a resident. But I can’t deregister even as a nonresident. Cue “What a Wonderful World”

        • AJ

          @E:
          “I’ve lost standing because I’m not a resident.”
          —–
          No, if you’ve lost standing it’s due to the passage of time, regardless your WI residency. The limitations are State by State and the Federal courts usually adhere to the standards of the State. Some States it’s as short as 2 years, some may be as much as 7 years.

          =====

          I still think it would be helpful to look into the “header statutes” of the WI Code to see if it mentions anywhere to whom the laws apply. It may be silent on it, but if it in any way constrains it to those present, residents, with commercial connections, etc., it may play to your favor.

          You could also perhaps sue prospectively, that is file suit to get a decision on the reach of the law to your situation prior to your going contrary to it. Were you to pursue such, I think you’d get a fairer shake in Federal Court (even in the anti-RC 7th) than if pursuing in WI State courts.

  17. Trytomoveon

    Does anyone know if there is any new news on the Texas SC on retroactive SOR and the plea bargain deals that had a limit on registration time?

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