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Question: what exactly are the laws/rules for a rso traveling out of california state for several days to visit family and or vacation? Is there a seperate federal law from the state law? I have always believed one can leave california for up to 4 weekdays(and the weekend) without having to register ones intentions to travel. Am i correct in my thinking? Thanks for any information.

🥳🎉😃 Happy California De-Registration to many of you!! 🥳🎉

☑️ Yes, July 1st marks the day that many California registrants will be able to apply to be removed from the registry.
I am wishing the best of luck to all of you! 👏🤗😃

I hope I can petition the courts at some point. I was involved with an underage mother in 2017( she was 15 and I was 26 at the time), did my time and terminated my probation early. Yet in the tier registry I’m a level 3. I know the tier system is still being worked on, but I hope I can petition at some point in my life. I am trying to be the best father and husband I can be, and even though my wife and children support me, I pray I can get myself off the registry.

I just read another article quoting figures from the May 2019 BJS SO recidivism report. As in so many similar articles, the author emphasized that released people with sex offense convictions were “more than three times as likely as other released prisoners to be arrested for rape or sexual assault (7.7% verses 2.3%).”

And like so many authors, he did not point out that footnote 1 says, “For this report, ‘sex offenders’ refers to released prisoners whose most serious commitment offense was rape or sexual assault.” That group represents a small fraction of all people convicted of sex offenses. However, most readers would generalize that 7.7% to all people convicted of a sex offense, which greatly exaggerates overall risk. Ok, my raving is over now.


@AJ, et al,

In May, Edwards v Vannoy decision from SCOTUS came down and denied retroactive application for relief to the applicant, which we discussed was a poor decision (it was not a watershed case to grant relief (more below)).

Since then, I found this article by Mr. Fleming (the author of another article posted for reading on @ACSOL about Tides Turning) which I believe will be found educational to read when it comes to SCOTUS and their thinking & decisions: SCOTUS Shamefully Allows Past Non-Unanimous Jury Convictions to Stand,

“Retroactive application of a criminal procedure rule is only for “watershed” rules, according to Supreme Court precedent. But there has only ever been one rule deemed watershed: the one enshrined in Gideon v. Wainwright, wherein the Court guaranteed the right to a defense attorney in criminal cases. That is because the right to a defense was deemed necessary to prevent an “impermissibly large risk of an inaccurate conviction,” and it also “altered our understanding of the bedrock procedural elements essential to the fairness of a proceeding.””

Look forward to any thoughts in reply to this posting.

Last edited 1 year ago by TS

@ Janice…any chance of resuming in person ACSOL meetings this year?

Seeking help in MI…How do I find somewhere to live?

I’m really breaking down here. I had offended in 2012, ’13 I recieved probation, and tier 3. I finished probation three years ago. I tried moving with my immediate family, but we could not find any 3B places that would rent to me specifically, so they moved without me, hoping this year we would all just BUY a house. Ive overstayed my welcome where I am, though it remains available to me…

We arent able to buy a house, things are not working for us there due to recovering credit. Once again we need to look to renting.

I dont understand how to do this, as a registrant. Everyone just says no when I call them. I see cities like Kalamazoo put up laws protecting people with criminal records, but then they specify that sex offenders are reason enough to say no. Why aren’t we allowed to live?

Im 33 and disabled. Chronic pain, hearing loss, and bipolar. Im easily overwhelmed with social situations, and legal things. I am simply trying to live, I have followed everything they have told me. I never even stopped registering when it was on hold the last year.

There are no resources I can find for renting in MI as a registrant. I dont even know where else to turn.

‘To Catch a Predator’ host Chris Hansen has been arrested AGAIN.

Start watching at the 40 minute mark for an inside look at the Okland SAFE enforcement team and registration office. More so, to hear their propaganda they spout.

Yes, it’s mostly a documentary about stopping underage teenage prostitution and pimping in Oakland, which is a good thing, but to hear what they say and what was chosen to be included by the editing and film crew makes sure every RSO portrayed as life long child predators.

Seriously? 🙄 Why aren’t these just called “Family Abduction Alerts”??😒

Another “sex offender sweep”. 🙄 “We come on coming back” (“…. because it’s fun to harass these guys”, says law enforcement.)

This is sad news I am bringing here, but needs to be done. My good friend that I met after my initial arrest and was introduced to me by my attorney to help me deal with what I was about to experience took his own life yesterday.
This is very hard for me. He truly was a good person that like most of us just did a dumb thing. I was on the verge of taking my life yrs ago when this all started for me and Tom talked me off that ledge. He always seemed to be able to accept his situation and we often spoke about what life was going to be like when we were off the registry.
we even spoke of possibly moving overseas and starting a business together.
He never commented here or got involved in anything regarding the registry. He said he didn’t like being reminded about his mistake.
He didn’t have family, but today I went to a place we used to meet at and there were a lot of people there for the same reason, so I guess he touched many lives.
I think that every time a registrant takes their own life, we should send a picture of that person to our state representative to remind them of what the registry does to people.
I will truly miss my friend.

Anyone ever heard of the “The Free State Project”? It’s a goal to try to get any many Libertarians to move to New Hampshire with it’s low population to take political control of it.

How about the Registered Citizen Project? Get as many RCs to move to a low population state. take political control, then remove all these registration laws?

Los Angeles County just passed a law banning homeless encampments and criminalizing homelessness that’s kool but what about the 6.500 Transient people convicted of a sex offense that live in Los Angeles County that can’t find a place to live or go to homeless shelters because of the registry.

Regarding the collapse of that condo in Surfside, did anyone wonder if your family would have been allowed to live in that building or not? I did.

My guess was that since it is in Floriduh and so close to a beach that residency was probably restricted to good families only. So on the morning of 7/4 I actually tried to find out. Pretty ironic that an American would be trying to figure out such a thing on the day referred to as “Independence Day”.

Anyway, I found a wonderfully official and fake-sensible looking website that belongs to Miami-Dade County. Of course it is about 10 times harder to use than it ought to be. But it has all the “sex offender” search features, etc., that most of them have. It also allows you to put in an address and get a nice satellite view. I did that for the condo and it displays it and a huge circle around it (think it is 2,500 foot radius (or about 1 mile wide)). It had certain landmarks like schools, parks, etc., highlighted. My guess is that if any particular landmarks fall within that circle then a PFR (Person Forced to Register) could not live in the condo.

I say “guess” because I poked around on the site for maybe just 30 minutes or so before I got tired of caring about it. I read some FAQs on the site. Read about “sex offenders” and “predators”, all that. I couldn’t really figure it out easily enough. It would likely take a few solid, full days to actually figure it out. But in short order I decided that whether or not my family would be allowed to live there, that it is not acceptable that it is even something I would need to figure out or that there are billions of dollars wasted supporting all that idiocy.

Which all lead back to an original question that I have about the collapse and that is – should I care? Should I care about a bunch of people who are almost certainly just fine with telling my family where we may and may not live? Should I care about people who are fine with government oppressing my family? No, I don’t care about those people and won’t. So the question is, how many people living in that condo are fine with the government oppression? How can I identify the good versus bad ones? What percentage is which?

Today, in America, it is very easy to be apathetic.

In the current era of “wokeness,” people are now being allowed to self-identify themselves as whatever gender they choose… or a mix of “genders” and society is apparently gobbling it up and supporting this.

Is it possible then, that felons and SOs can choose not to self-identify as one so we can get off the SOR or any kind of registry or background check? Society is labeling us as felons and SOs… and that’s discriminatory. We can use the exact same logic as the LGBTQIA+++++++ community lol..

As a Mich resident, I wonder when tier 1 registration will be discontinued. I would like to see the entire country do away with the registry. Not sure if tier 3 should be removed.

I was told by an attorney today that with a federal Tier 1 conviction, a state judge is required to remove someone from the registry after 10 years. Is this true ? A 406a motion is being prepared. Is this correct ?

For anyone who likes UK television, season 4 of a show called Line of Duty features a season-long storyline where a person previously convicted of a sex offense is being set up to take the fall for a grisly crime. He is treated very sympathetically by the writers and the main detectives (who are a sort of Internal Affairs unit). I was pleased and surprised. It’s a surprisingly good show and is on Amazon Prime. You may want to see the earlier seasons first.

Why are Tier 3 sex offenders on the registery for life and not tier1 and tier2 ?

Oh joy. Another insane outlier that’ll bolster the idea that we’re all like this, just waiting to pounce on someone at the first chance we get. This guy clearly has major issues, and is probably one of the type of people who should be in Coalinga at this point.

Yikes I’m freaking out…

I had been trying to contact the officer at the local PD who does the registrations to find out my tier. I tried from middle of January until I gave up later in February. Never returned calls and I even emailed once and nothing. My annual isn’t until December so I figured I would probably not find out my tier until then. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

Do you all know about the US Postal Service Informed Delivery? It’s a service where when you sign up they will send you pictures of the mail that you will receive that day. I literally just signed up for that earlier this week.

I just got the notice of what’s in the mail today. There’s a letter from the officer in there for me!

I can only imagine that it’s a notice of my tier. And I’m freaking out about it. I don’t remember my exact code but it was a felony, got 5 years probation, no jail time. I got off probation early, I also got reduction and expungement a couple of years ago. My code was a wobbler and the misdemeanor version doesn’t even go on the registry. I have never been on the web site.

I have heard that some ‘never on the public site’ people are now going to go public and I’m afraid. I’m afraid of what my tier will be and if I will now be publicly listed. I’m currently unemployed and if I go public how will that affect my job search chances? One of the mail reasons I took the plea I did was because I would not be on the public site so if that changes now that is NOT fair.

If I am Tier 1 my 10 years would be up in 2025, that wouldn’t be too bad considering. But Tier 2 and above would be horrible.

The mailman tends to show up around 11am to noon… so I guess I’ll find out then.

A Tulare County patrol deputy is accused of raping a woman in Hanford. He is on administrative leave while law enforcement investigates the allegations made against him. Araujo has been with the department for four years. He was named Officer of the Year in February 2020. This is the second arrest of a sheriff’s deputy and the third arrest of a Tulare County law enforcement officer in less than a week.

Anyone have any troubles getting into Disney world (Florida)? Also, what’s about cruises to Caribbean? Any issues?

Any suggestions on where to find work in Los Angeles County as a SO would be very helpful.

I was granted a Certificate of Rehabilitation a month ago that included that I would no longer have to register. Does anyone know how long it will take to be actually removed from the registry?

“Half of people released from S.F. jail before trial were accused of a new crime while free, according to four-year study”

People who committed a sexual offense are held to unfair standards.

Since I’m not getting direct answers to my question I will ask it again. I’m not asking for opinions. Has anyone here actually physically gone to Florida and tried to go into Disney World, or any other amusement parks? What was the result? I’ve done my research but there are conflicting stories. Also, for cruises… I’m not asking about whether I can get off the ship at foreign countries. I’m asking if anyone has gone on a cruise, boarded the ship? Any issues? What cruise line?

Pennsylvania “Police Officer Misconduct” Database Now In-effect (of course though; it’s ‘Not Public’ lol)

Free expungement clinic in Tenn.

““I went to jail a lot of times, just to be honest with you, from my juvenile to my adult life just living in the streets of Memphis. Twenty-six times, actually,” Sanford said.

His life changed after his criminal record was expunged.”

26 times! Do you think they’d accept someone with a single arrest for a crime called “Using a computer to commit a crime” nearly 20 years ago?

Anyone know the history of how all computer crimes were designated Tier 3 in California? What legislators made that happen? Anyone know about filing FOIA requests? I’d like to know who lobbied for this—was it Silicon Valley? I’ve only rarely seen any re-arrests of computer crime registrants, so it’s unlikely to be based on any crime data, even heavily manipulated crime data. Someone clearly had an agenda here, and it should be in the public record. I’m not in California and it doesn’t affect me directly, but frankly this could be a fascinating story.

An introduction to how the system works.

How plea deals are uniquely negotiated for sex offenses

I’m in Michigan and eligible to be removed from the registry. I’ve contacted a few attorney’s and the fee is more than I can afford. Is there a method to find an attorney to help me for a reasonable cost ? Also, I was convicted in a federal court, however I am told a state judge can remove me, I am a tier 1. Ready to get off the registry. Does anyone know the answer please ?

Two days ago on the anniversary, 15th July 1976 was the 45th anniversary of the CHOWCHILLA kidnapping of the kids and bus driver, 27 of them, and four years later I’m in a national database for messing around with my bf who was less than < 7 yrs diff than I AND now we are on National pic wall for those to point and laugh and anger and backlash at! WHY WERE NOT THESE HOODLOOMS POSTED TODAY ON A WEBSITE for all to see, are we really WORSE than kidnapping mutliple LOTS of children on THEIR SCHOOLBUS and Putting under ground like a CASKET?
Do you even remember this? IF YOU GREW UP IN CALI!
What is WRONG with this world, we are just FEAR MONGERED and OUTCAST by the majority of the general population, especially those who were abused by FAMILY MEMBERs (Sorry for those inclusive) MOST WERE NEVER FOUND OUT !
How bad besides killing, kidnapping, MURDERING Children do those others get away with…NOT ME, but…
I FEEL BAD for the Internet crime people NEVER TOUCHING or making contact with any minor or adult for being treating, convicted harsher than others THAT HAVE!

Let’s clean up the system and keep ACSOL given some monies donating,
ESPECIALLY all the 3rd Tier meeting or exceeding the minimums for the 2k challenge that will be over soon to help KNOCK DOWN the 3rd Tier to extremists or worse.

THird Tier’s need to be able to come down to 2nd or even having higher tiers to reduce or eliminate 3rd tier Lifetime by supporting ACSOL’s efforts !

Be patient, they can only do so much baby steps at a time, of course they don’t want a Reg. neither do we! But now have a way for SOME of the RC’s to remove or tier down!
I know all the David’s and Dave’s know what I am talking about when the Reg before ML

We have discussed facial recognition software and its use in this forum before. Now comes this article showing how big companies are using it in an unregulated environment which people forced to register here are fearful could be used against them:

Good Day one and all, I just received this notice about the get together at the capital, I am a State Representative for NARSOL (National Association for Rational Sexual Offense Laws) and the president of MNFOR (Minnesota For Our Rights). I and my Partner will be attending this meeting. I am also an ex-offender or a person who has committed a sexual based offense and live each day dealing with the issues we all do. I have several friends who are currently in MSOP (Minnesota Sex Offender Program). I look forward to meeting with members and families tomorrow, Here’s to a great day for all!

I had a chance to listen to the July 10th recorded phone meeting today. I usually can’t make the live meeting, so I typically listen to the recording at a later time. Of course, that does not allow for questions. Domestic travel was discussed a little bit and I just have a quick question regarding Utah for example. Per the travel matrix on this website, it says, one has to register within 10 days of coming to Utah, regardless of they days spent in Utah. So, what happens if you stay 5 days? You still have 5 days technically to register, but you leave before that time. Could that cause a FTR (failure to register)? The working is so confusing. It could be twisted to mean that you have to register in Utah, even if you only stay one day? Yet, you have 10 days to register. That just would not make sense.

Someone posted this but no one answered. Does anyone know the answer?
“I was told by an attorney today that with a federal Tier 1 conviction, a state judge is required to remove someone from the registry after 10 years. Is this true ? A 406a motion is being prepared. Is this correct ?”

“Death of SI man found with ‘I touch little girls’ written on chest ruled a homicide”

Looks like we have another example of vigilante murder:

Any thoughts on this, is it possible if it gets signed that I can get my mugshot removed?

Very odd: Why would this 3-year-old news article appear in my Google News feed for the search word “SORNA”?

Got my first call from a con artist targeting registrants. My phone said the incoming call was “Scam Likely” but after the second attempt I stupidly answered. Bad quality connection and said something about “sheriff’s dept.” so I immediately hung up. They tried calling again. If I hadn’t seen previous posts here about this I probably wouldn’t have hung up so quickly.

I’ve been away for a while, so forgive me if this is a re-post.

Is anyone else as interested in the WH-FB collusion and the blowback it has raised? It seems to me whatever argument is made about government interference in citizens’ speech via flagging FB users can quite possibly apply to SORNA providing a blacklist to social media. Granted, the WH version is active intrusion but the method would seem of little consequence if the end result is the same: barring of citizen speech by the government.

Vivante Espero
Did ANYONE See this and what it means for donating via AmazonSMILE and other Corp donations? ALWAYS DONATE HERE (A C S O L – via this site, paypal or mail in to Janice’s office or Frank when we see all each other again) I believe it’s part of NARSOL but READ THE DETAILED PART for AmazonSMILE and What A Suprise, maybe it was spoke of but since 2014 I don’t remember really. OAK.

How Interesting and is There to help most all on here since some use or rather shop already on Amazon, Amazon Smile works and my Nephew (27) works at a local Warehouse (Hub DC) and reminded us of that section of Amazon, we did AHA (American Heart) for years but NOW we use ONLY …

look it up on there donations page, but it comes out automatically from ordering.

In the meantime, two male NYC LEOs were dismissed from their jobs after grooming a 15 yo girl for “shocking professional and sexual misconduct” but not taken to trial because prosecutors deferred to Internal Affairs to handle it. Yep, the other 95% of who we discuss here and not on a registry. Still worried about those on a metro train who are registered Mr. Mayor?


I’m a registrant with a 2015 conviction.

I have since completed CA Parole and while on parole, after much searching, decided to start my own business rather then take one of the few low paying positions I saw avalible to ex offenders.

Only recently, I have had an extremely hard time with my banking options. My credit, admittedly, is awful. Most of my defaults happend as a result of being incarcerated and even though those will soon be falling off, not having access to credit, I haven’t used any as cash seemed to be a much easier solution. Using cash doesn’t build credit and will in fact keep your credit poor even once your collections fall off. While this has potential issues only now beginning to realize, a new problem has surfaced.

Last week my bank account was flagged for verification. My partner (both in life and in business) and I share the same bank and his account was not flagged. Threw the process I ended up on a call with a customer service representative (in name only) who proceded to tell me in the rudest way possible that my account could not be verified and my account would be closed. I have over 10k a month in ebay sales that have been coming threw the account for the past 10 months and all of sudden after “review” my account is closed. I attempted to open an account with a few well known banks and was denied. I have no issues with check systems and the only reason for denial givin was that they could not verify my identity. Needing an account to be able to collect funds from my ebay sales I opted for a far riskier online bank called Oxygen that while it offers what I need, has a history of closing accounts and keeping the assets.

Is there work-arounds for all this? Of course. However. It seems to me, to be flat out discrimination. I was wondering if other registrants have experienced this and if so, methods successfully implemented to overcome them.

I found this article helpful in understanding the status-quo.

Best Regards,


I was just looking at IL’s SOR rules and I believe they are unconstitutionally discriminating against migrating citizens. According to their FAQ (, anyone moving to IL on or after 1/1/2012 is deemed to be a Sexual Predator; meanwhile, someone who moved there before that date is not necessarily deemed such.

Isn’t this a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amdt.? It sure seems so. Also, with the recent IN case in mind, this seems to burden one’s fundamental right of Freedom of Travel.

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