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I have been a “forced” Registrant since 1998. In that time, the Los Angeles Police Dept. has NEVER visited me at my apartment. I have ALWAYS registered on time. However, this year, 2 months after my 2013 registration, I was visited at my apartment by THREE uniformed LAPD officers. They told me they were doing a regular “Compliance Check.”
Why are they suddenly doing a “Compliance Check” at my apartment?! Is it lawful? What exactly IS a “Compliance Check?!” Does anyone have any thoughts on this. Thank You.
@Frank
Compliance checks are the new “trend” that ‘Law’ Enforcements are using to show that they are doing something about this sex offender “Problem/Epidemic” that the media and politicians seem to convince/remind the public…..every ten seconds or so. If you are on paper (Probation or Parole) then you have to cooperate as it is most likely part of your terms. However, if you are DONE with all that so-called rehabilitation, then you absolutely DO NOT and SHOULD NOT cooperate at all!!!! I’m certain that you don’t have to be reminded, but DOCUMENT every encounter, with a camera (or iPhone camera if you have it) while they talk to you.
NEVER give them permission to ENTER your residence….NEVER! Once you agree to let them in (I.E. May we come in ti confirm compliance?) you have given them free reign to search your place.
NEVER exit your residence to answer their questions or LEAVE your home when they are present. Your most valuable protections are when you REMAIN INSIDE your residence. Once you leave, you are at their mercy.
You are under NO OBLIGATION to answer any of their questions. PERIOD. Politely tell them to leave as they are on private property. If they continue to persist, simply tell them that this conversation is over and gently close your door. There are instances where some officers use aggressive tactics to get their way, such as hostility or lying (“If you don’t cooperate, it would be considered obstruction of justice”, etc). Make no mistake, there is NO LAW that forces you to consent to “Compliance Checks”
If you get threats? All the more reason to have that video recorder on hand and recording before you even answer the door.
These Compliance Checks are just a lame excuse to request more funding for law enforcement. Nothing more.
@Joe
Not entirely certain when these started, but they appear to be random, once a year for me. Been on this cursed list since 2010 for possession charge due to a single file that was downloaded to my computer. I received a very low sentence due to the circumstances of it, but that didn’t stop the DA from slapping me with the ever life shattering label of SO.
As for my experience, I’ve gotten visits from local(lol) police in uniforms. Since I’m still on paper (soon to be off thank god) I have to participate. Fortunately for me, the last couple have been simple’, “Any new tattoos, markings, etc” and then they are on their way.
My FIRST check, however, was when i was barely 1 month OUT of jail! They barged in and literally ransacked the house as if I had committed a new crime, and they tried to convince my PO at the time to violate me for literally art drawings! Luckily for me, my PO actually read my file and decided I wasn’t an actual threat.
By my calculations, my next “compliance check” should happen about 9 months from now……and I’ll be off paper by then.
I get these intrusions about once or twice a year. Mainly they ask about phones and cars I own. One asked if my family knew about my offense. Didn’t they read the file? It was an in home offense. Family went through hell, first because of the offense and now from this never ending scrutiny, new restrictions and people driving by shouting at my house. Someone put up fliers in the neighborhood. A neighbor came up to my wife and accused her of harboring a “Westerfield.” Her children came up to me at Kmart one day and asked to be hugged. Unreal. I would never have done such a strange thing, even before the offense. I got out of there as quickly as I could. One time my daughter was there and the dogs were barking at the “officers”. She was afraid they might shoot one of our dogs. It did happen once in our community. A dog with a ball in its mouth came up to an officer serving a warrant an bang it was dead. I received favorable pre-trial psychological evaluations and positive scores on my group treatment program which lasted five years. My family has given me something to live for. To keep things in perspective, hurting them was the worst punishment. For that reason alone, I wish to never hurt anyone innocent again. The victim is grown up now and we run a business together. Let me live my life.
Please know that if you are not on parole or probation, law enforcement can NOT enter your home without a search warrant. This protection comes from the 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and can only be waived by YOU. My legal advice is to close the front door of your home and speak to law enforcement outside your home even if you lock yourself out. Why? Because if you let them enter or even let them look inside, anything they see (almost) can be used to establish probable cause which in turn can lead to a full search of your home — without a search warrant. You have rights! Use them!!
Wow! I got an expungement back in 2002? I agree. I also received summary probation. In regards to the compliance check, they come to your home after 10pm? I simply wouldn’t answer the door! The more you say to them, the more they can say to you! This year, I’m not answering the door! There is no law requiring you to even answer the door! Furthermore, I would never let anyone into my home! Furthermore, unless on probation or ect, you don’t have to say a word? Can I help you? Nothing more! Have a good day!
The Registries are not legitimate and I don’t think anyone should ever give any indication that they are. Every second the Registries exist is unacceptable.
I think every family that is listed on a Sex Offender Registry should have a wall or fence around their properties. If that is not possible, people should simply never answer their doors. Or answer the door just to tell them to get off of their property.
I think the absolute worst thing that a Registered person can do is speak with law enforcement or any other employee of the criminal regimes. There is simply no need to do so. The norm that law enforcement across the U.S. should expect is that they are not welcome on anyone’s property and no one will speak with them. The Registries deserve complete disrespect.
I used to love the U.S., respect our governments, and respect and support our law enforcement. The Registries completely destroyed that. I tried to not allow myself to hate them but I’m not going to play their Registries game.
Remember, tell them that you have given all information you are forced to and beyond that you have no interest in EVER interacting with them for any reason. It’s not a big deal, they just need to take their stupidity elsewhere.
the Barry guy come over once a year. Usually it a hello and good bye no questions asked.
One time a probation officer came along I told him im not on probation and he can leave.
To Janice Bellucci or any CA Attorney on here, Q: I have a 6″ fence around my yard. Police cannot get to my door. I have a camera on my gate and have sometimes responded when there is a large number of officers at my front gate. Sometimes from a federal task force. Always in full uniform and marked vehicles. I am a low level SO with over 10 years off probation. If I leave my front house door, do I have the same protections as long as I stay behind my locked front gate? (It’s about 10 feet from my front door to fence gate). Or should I just never open my house door?
I’m curious to know which law enforcement agencies are doing this? In my close to twenty years on this bs nobody has ever come to my house.
San Diego Sheriffs come to my door. My wife or daughter usually answers the door and then says it’s for me. Dogs usually bark so ferociosly that if I did let the cops in the dogs would tear them apart. Animals know a threat and therefore I have neverlet these intruders in. There has probably been several times the dogs were outside, and they did not dare come to the door. We can learn a lot from animals. They forgive you and protect you and only judge you by your immediate actions not by some societal bigotry. Who is more superior? Who is more Christian?
Ron, I would never come to the gate! Never! Simply ignore them. How do they even know your home!
I simply do not answer the door. I would never talk to “them” because they aggressively try to get you to give up your rights; all this while wearing an American flag on their sleeve. It has not felt like they are defenders of freedom for a lot of years now. I’m sure one day they will come up on me as I am coming or going, and when that happens I will ask if they have been sent to my residence to investigate a crime, or if they were sent to my residence to arrest me, and I know they will answer “no” to both questions because I do not break any laws. I will then inform them that I do not wish to have a dialog. When they ask why (and you know they will ask why) I will tell them that I do not wish to speak with them because I don’t have to; simple. I’m sure they will be frothing at the bit and tearing their sack cloth, lying and trying to intimidate me. I have resolved to stand my ground. If they arrest me it will be for total BS, so then I will just hire Janice or someone she recommends to give them hell and set them straight. I have not answered for the last three times they have come over. I saw one of the terrorists driving down the road in his cop car one day; he looked so frustrated when he saw me that I thought he would burst out in tears! I just laughed as I rode my Harley down the road. That was a good day, indeed!
In the 5+ years I have been a registrant, LE only came to my house once, about a month ago. The guy (just one in uniform) was in and out in less than 20 seconds and was very polite and shook my hand. Luckily the LE in my town realize that I am a very low risk.
I have only had two compliance checks two times and was outside both times in the yard since 2002 and the state police were very polite but the local sherrif was very rude and aggressive. I would never let them in to search me based on the aggressive manor I was treated by the sherrif. Both times they asked for ID but the unprofessional visit that was aggressive made me think I wouldn’t trust or be safe out of eye sight of neighbors eyes. Home compliance checks really esculate neighbors fears and I started experiencing lots of harrasment from a few neighbors that almost escalated to violence. A few neighbors decided they needed to try to punish me and I absolutley told them I’m not hurting anyone and just trying to live my life in peace! One neighbor told me he was armed and would protect his family and tried throwing me out of my own home by filing in court. He lost! I’ve learned saying I have a legal right to live hear and you can’t do anything about it except live in daily fear or leave me alone and be happy as I have no desire to have any issues with law enforcement or neighbors but I will not be a bullies victim! Home compliance checks only esculate unstable neighbors that are near becoming a far worse criminal than my high misdomeanor offense when so many neighbors were finally tolerating me in the community and even becoming friendly. All you need is one neighbor to start yelling fire and other sheeple will follow.
I have since put a camera up near the door with a sign stating you are being recorded so I have proof of any unprofessional activity or threats made to me or my family and am forced to defend myself or family from mentally unstable violent neighbors.
Back around 1999 in Orange County, I had two plainclothes sheriff’s detectives from S.O.N.A.R. show up at my office for a “compliance check.” At my place of business. I had been off parole several years by then. Fortunately we had a conference room with a door and I quickly ushered them in and shut the door behind us. Coworkers didn’t know about my past… irrelevant to my line of work and never asked / never told. At the conclusion, I told them my coworkers didn’t know and they suggested If asked I should just tell them it was a follow-up to a police report I filed or something. I had a friend who had recently become an LAPD officer around that time and I told the coworkers they were just conducting a background check for him because he applied at OCSD.
Never had a knock at my front door of the house until around 2010 when they did a city-wide “sex offender sweep.” They knocked on my door at 7:00 a.m. on a Saturday. There was a new Offender Registrations Officer for the city and she came out with a clipboard, accompanied by a uniformed officer who looked around like he was rather bored and couldn’t be bothered with this waste of his time. I stepped out front and shut the door to talk with them. They asked questions about who else lived in the home, information which I volunteered. They were there for about five minutes and were on their way.
The next time I was visited was last year, shortly before Halloween. There was a uniformed city PD officer accompanied by two sheriff’s deputies who were wearing their armor vests. Clearly they were going with the intimidation look. The city PD officer advised me it was a compliance check, but also handed me a copy of the city’s new ordinance that made a number of things all other citizens do, unlawful for a sex offender to do, on October 31st.
Let’s not forget about the real purpose of compliance checks: overtime.
I note, while the currently enjoined Prop. 35 requirement for registrants to provide all e-mail monikers would be actual monitoring, until now 290 has never suggested that registrants are to be monitored or surveilled. That surveillance term came up in a court ruling years ago, and has been quoted and regurgitated without any thought or consideration — or challenge — ever since. In fact, 290 does NOT provide for surveillance. It merely provides for identifying registrants and knowing where to find them IF they are suspected in a crime.
As such, 290 does not provide for or even condone compliance checks. It doesn’t say anything about them at all.
It is just as unconstitutional for the police to surveil a registrant without any probable cause or any crime as it is to surveil anyone else. 290 has never spoken of surveillance.
This is a point that should be pushed and pushed hard. This idea that registrants are open to surveillance is completely false — until this Prop 35 statute now calls for it. This idea in Prop 35 that a registrant can be subjected to this surveillance is just as unconstitutional as applied to a registrant as it is for anyone else. It also is a grave danger to everyone, as this is how such widespread surveillance (and spying) of an entire citizenry gets started. People who support this surveillance have no understanding how it will be used against THEM.
http://blog.al.com/east-alabama/2013/09/aclu_files_suit_against_etowah.html
I think it time california start doing this GADSDEN, Alabama — The American Civil Liberties Union has filed a lawsuit against Etowah County Sheriff Todd Entrekin and two officers in the department over what they say are “unannounced, random, and suspicionless” searches of the home of a registered sex offender.
Some additional points regarding Interpol: We should consider that our own government is sharing information about us to foreign governments, some of which have even fewer protections for individual rights than our own, although it is questionable how many of these still exist in the U.S.
In effect, we are being ‘set-up’ by our own government to be treated by a foreign government as they choose. In other words, even if they do decide to let us in we will now know that our host country has a complete dossier on our “crimes”. Consider also that there countries which are known to set up tourists for extortion, such as Cambodia and you begin to get an idea how all of this might (will) play out. Screwed by our own government.
I got ambushed this morning… I got up (around 3am) went to my car to get going for a a quick cash job.. and there was a cop car parked along my car.. (parking along the street, parallel) The cop saw me and turned on his side light.. He asked if this is my vehicle? I said yes and hit the car remote to start it to prove a point its mine.. I asked him what’s this about.. Then he asked me another question “Where you going at this time of the morning?” Told him just going.. Then he asked for my licenses and told me to lean on my car and went back in his car to fiddle with his computer.. then got out walked to my car license plate and said “Ok, looks like your vehicle’s plate is on record and your current on your sex registration”.. gave me my licenses and just took off… WTF happened???
if you are not on parole or probation,, the law or gov has no right to enter your home or car. only if you let them , pass them a lawyers card say excuse me but my lawyer said to call the firm for any questions. NO warrent no entre, especially if you have nothing to hide. be strong be smart…. thank you. my name is scott and I was a rapest once when I was 22 now I am 52, and on illeagal parole and no one to help me except, me…tell your family members to vote in real laws.
Hi: Long time reader first time poster here.
I accepted a plea bargain from a judge in 1989. Had I known they were going to put me on lifetime parole I might have taken longer than 2 weeks to decide my fate. That being said,let me make something clear. In this society if you are not wealthy enough to purchase justice you are presumed GUILTY at your arrest. My rights were obliterated from the gate go. I sat in Orange County IRC, a max security facility, for 8 months and my lawyer still couldn’t even get discovery. The prosecutor had it out for me as this was during the McMartin preschool trial. Needless to say after chilling in there for 8 mos. and seeing poor McMartin still there after 3 yrs. fighting his beef getting nowhere, his family went broke defending him,and there was no light at the end of his tunnel. At the schedualing of my trial my nickel lawyer asked the judge what he would give me, a first time offender, clean record etc., if I pleaded guilty. I recieved the minimum sentence possible for what the DA was accusing me of. The prosecutor wouldn’t even sign the paper she was so angry.
How much justice can you afford? If you exercise your right to remain silent it is considered an admission of guilt.
I have lived in the same place for 20 years. I have never lied to the authorities during my yearly update. And yet three years ago they started their little compliance game with a vengence. It used to be a deputy would drive out once in a while see that I’m here and drive off. No problem.
Three years ago the man in charge of my registration had some questions for me which he had a form to write my answers on. Such as my marital status, sexual preferences, religeous beliefs so forth and so on. Then the next year the CORPORAL came out twice to check on me. Asking me who else was here and if he could come in and look.
I had told the registrar that I was single and lived alone. But they decided that I must be lying because I have been out of jail for such a long time and have not even gotten a ticket. I must be breaking the law somehow right? After all I’m just a dirty filthy sex offender who must be punished for the rest of his disgusting life.
Sadly these sentiments are prevalent in this society thanks to the media glorifying every account of a teacher molesting children or a good one is the San Pedro Groper. Police, teachers, coaches, and people from all walks of life are becoming entrapped in these horrible, horrible laws. When I accepted a plea bargain, did my time, went to the psych, completed my parole and and did everything I agreed to, There was no such thing as Megan’s Law. When Megan’s Law was passed by the people of this state I was resentenced without due process. So I know that registrants don’t have any rights. As soon as I tell the deputy I want to see a search warrant before you come in my house he is going to write on my jacket that I was uncooperative. Then every deputy I come in contact with from then on is going to have it out for me. This year the deputy came out at 11:00pm at night. First thing he asked is who was inside. Heloooooo I told you people I live alone!! But I didn’t say that; I politely allowed him to walk through my cave which I leave pretty messy so they won’t have the urge to trash my place. (Ha, Ha screw you I already trashed it.) He left and his polite parting words were you should really clean the place up so you can have visitors. When I realized what they were doing with these compliance checks the first thing I did was make sure there was nothing in my house which could be considered a felony. I decided to beat them at their own game. Show them I have nothing to hide be polite and overly accomodating. Why poke the bear? Or why go all in with a pair of deuces when you can see they have the nuts.
The mindset of law enforcement is that you can’t be trusted and you must be breaking the law. If I don’t cooperate with them they will automatically think I must be hiding something and from then on there will be hell to pay. I have nothing to hide, I told the regitrar he could send the captain over for all I care.
My last thought is this: Because of the Lamestream Media the public has been beaten into a frenzy which brings about all these new laws and regulations and people are so ignorant that they don’t realize these laws are being written to entrap and ruin their own children and grandchildren whom they are trying to protect. For this is true and guaranteed that not one registered sex offender, no not one, has a mother who thought her child would grow up to be a registered sex offender.
Thank you for your time.
Dear Grandfathered in:
I agree with all you said but with one caveat: If you are alone and there are two law enforcement officers and you allow them in to “search”, who is going to watch the other officer in the back room while you are talking to the one in the front room. Please don’t assume they are above “planting evidence”. If they think it is okay to lie to a registrant do you think they would have a problem planting something on this societal nuisance? The other thing I haven’t seen in the other posts is that everyone should inform whoever is staying with them not to answer the door to anyone no matter who it is (at least without looking out the window or peephole to see who it is. Case in point: I have a forgetful roommate who is prone to answering the door even when I ask him not to. I have had to tape a 3×5 card to the door asking not to answer it. I would think it a good idea for everyone else in our situation to do the same. I also have a video camera posted on top of my front door and that has saved me from a lot of nonsense. You can purchase dummy cameras at harbor freight for under twenty dollars (they don’t know if it’s working or not). Also, if you do decide to have your camera live, have a outside feed to an offsite website such as Justin TV or such. They wouldn’t like it if they are being broadcast live. They can take your camera phone away from you for videoing them, but would probably hesitate to do it before an audience. Also, if the video is off-site, it is preserved in the event that they manage to get in and confiscate your security video player. Also, if you elect to use outside cameras on your domicile, make damn sure they are pointed downward and covering your property only. In CA it is illegal to film over your fence into your neighbors property (and certainly not smart to do so in our situation). I chose to learn from the negative way society is treating me and be proactive about it and protect myself.
Hello Folks, I have some breaking news for California resident RSO’s…Me Included; A friend & witness that Knows My Case went deer hunting Bow & Rifle both seasons & he just got back yesterday He called Me & told me If I have any Ideas about “Being Mobile” or staying at campgrounds think again! I said why? & He said that the sheriffs & rangers have enlisted the help of free range Homeless to stay in these “Camp Grounds & to call in ANYBODY & Everybody’s lic# and that they get confirmation almost instantly over the phone if You are a RSO! Then My Friend said that these guy’s go around to all the non “Confirmed” “Campers/ hunters” & Promptly Notify All the others of Who is there which causes a very tense Problem! “Hunting Accidents Anyone”? not yet; but it is heavily over heard loud anonymous talk by a campfire by “Said “Identified Camping RSO’s Site / Camp”! IDK what to do How can This Be addressed in a legal fashion it is coming through undercover Informant from the above stated agencies was what My Friend said. He had His 6 Yr old daughter with him and said Every camp ground is being watched for homeless RSO’s & He was immediately approached by Someone warning him about this issue!This is divide & conquer tactic their homeless so you can stay here if You watch the camp grounds for us! So The Campo’s Begin to tell the Brown Shirts to save themselves by creating another Issue where there was not one! Just like Germany did! This is a serious issue I was approached by a sheriff/ ranger IDK about 8 months or more back when I went with My dog for a drive up by the lake & stopped @ a camp ground restroom I came out & got in My truck & he pulled up behind me & about 2 minutes later got out & said in a disgusted tone “We all Know”,,,” ARE YOU CAMPIN’DOWN HERE TOO NOW”? I said “No” I was just out walking My Dog & asked a guy how the fishing has been! and He stayed Until I left! No BS Story this is a “NEW UP COMING THING” ! Who need’s allot of cops when they have allot of homeless to do their jobs if this is not vigilante backed terrorism IDK what is. Just like the range wars over cattle “Marshals Deputized Outlaws to wreak havoc back then seems not much has changed in some ways. Good luck people We All are going to need it. Another friend that knows Me & My case as well warned me that the cops had been for a week parked on his street asking people to see their ID’s if they were out dated or did not live @ the address on it they were arrested for? “Being Homeless”! Yet We give illegal aliens a free pass with that it’s Discriminational Hypocrisy.IMO