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Report: Kids Accessing Inappropriate Materials at Younger Age

According to a survey of parents around the world, thanks to the internet, kids are being exposed to adult content at an ever earlier age. More than 19,000 parents took part in an online study conducted by Bitdefender, an anti-virus company based in Bucharest. Full Article

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Considering that pornography is so easily and readily available without a credit card, without any adult verification, is anyone surprised? What I’d like to know is why no one seems to have ever bothered to push for a law that there has to be some kind of age verification before one can access pornography online?

Sure, let’s advance the concept of a super police state one step further, shall we?

It’s not a matter of police state, it’s a matter of decency. Children should not be exposed to pornography, and precautions should be taken. This is one that I side on more enforcement because this material IS in fact harmful to children.

/It’s not a matter of Civil and Basic Rights, it’s a matter of safety. Children should not be exposed to those previously convicted of sex offenses, regardless of what and how long ago, and precautions should be taken, further restrictions implemented. This is one that I side on more enforcement because these people ARE in fact harmful to children. /sarcasm off

Now what?

You obviously aren’t a parent, and if you are, you apparently don’t care much about the morality of your children. You two are welcome to wallow in this filth, but children should not be wallowing in it with you.

Well, no actually, it isn’t. And there is NO credible data to suggest that it is. And your urging that more laws be enacted to “protect” children is the very phenomenon that has given rise to the extreme oppression we now face. By the way, I am a parent.

No credible data suggests pornography is harmful to children? Then I guess
none of the below are credible in your eyes? These are only a few of the many
sites I found with data not just suggesting pornography is harmful to children,
but stating it very clearly.

http://www.tldm.org/news7/PornographyCanadianStudy.htm


http://www.preventtogether.org/Resources/Documents/Impact_of_Porn_on_Youth_9.pdf

http://www.protectkids.com/effects/harms.htm

http://www.naswdc.org/practice/adolescent_health/ah0202.asp

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1070813/


http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/11/adolescentsexualactivity/newmedialitrev/index.shtml
Anyone who chooses to believe pornography is harmless to children is the
exact kind of person politicians and the media make all registrants out to be.
Even if not for my Christian faith, I would still refuse to be the monster
politicians and the media suggest.

Thanks for making my point for me. None of what you linked to would provide any objective or scientific substantiation of your central thesis, i.e. that pornography exerts a harmful influence on children or adolescents. That you would think these crude propaganda pieces somehow constitute ultimate ‘conversation stoppers’ is not surprising given your demonstrated susceptibility to magical thinking, i.e. your enthusiasm for religious fundamentalism. If all you did was to pray then you would probably be fairly innocuous. So, knock yourself out.

The truth is you’ve made your point, that you’re the very thing politicians want the public to believe we all are.

There ALREADY ARE laws like that for the USA however, you need to remember that WWW means World Wide Web and as such there would need to be a world law age verification and there is NOT EVEN a universal AGE OF CONSENT!

And don’t use the old “we should just regulate porn on the internet” because any censorship lead to more and more until the internet is as useless and bland as Disney World.

You can NOT “child proof” the world NOR WOULD YOU WANT TO!!!

I could not disagree more. Children should be protected. I’m not suggesting censorship, I’m simply saying children should not be exposed to pornography. Even though I find all pornography wrong because of my Christian beliefs, I also know I cannot force my beliefs on others and that consenting adults should have the right to view pornography. However, children should not have access, period.

If you are a responsible parent there is no problem. Simply install filtering software on YOUR COMPUTER, it is very easy to do…but do most parents do it? NO – they would rather leave the parenting up to BIG BROTHER!

Ultimately they will get what they deserve. A useless watered down corporate sponsored, government censored internet.

Again, you miss what I’m saying. I do not believe in censorship, I simply believe certain material should not be so easily accessed by children. I’m sorry to find you consider that censorship, or worse, that you believe children should be allowed to access pornography. Even good parenting does not mean 24/7 supervision of those under 18, nor does it mean a parent can install filtering software on every computer a minor child uses. As the parent of a child under 18, I’ve found that no matter how much we try to supervise our child, our child still is exposed… Read more »

Well, as I said initially, it’s the World Wide Web and America doesn’t own it so they can not censor the content as you would like to fit your view. Sex and porn of part of reality and part of the real world. I am sure you also want to censor the “violent” content on the internet as well…were would it stop? I would love to get rid of all of the religious non-sense I run into online as I find that offensive but I am not running around advocating censorship as you are. If you are so concerned take… Read more »

I guess I had it pegged when I suggested that you believe children should be allowed to access porn. You seem to refuse to listen to reason and prefer to wallow in the filth, which is your right, and you apparently wish children to join you there. That is what the politicians want everyone to think of registrants, so why would you choose to fit the very stereotype of what they think of us? Your lack of religious conviction and desire to get rid of what you call nonsense is very telling, so to that I’ll leave it at this….I’ll… Read more »

Your Christian beliefs are unwelcome in the governance of my life. You may entertain whatever irrational and ignorant fallacy you choose but DO NOT subject me to laws which are informed by them.

No one is suggesting that your life be governed by my Christian beliefs. I give up on getting through to either of you about why children should not be accessing pornography since you both apparently believe it is absolutely acceptable.

It is impossible to have a discussion about morality and protecting children from filth with someone who apparently has little morality especially when it comes to protecting children. With people like the two of you who believe children should be exposed to pornography, no wonder politicians have such an easy time demonizing all registrants.

I am surprised how many people called td777’s cry for age restrictions on porn censorship. No one is advocating taking porn away from adults. Just so you know where I am coming from, I am an atheist, a porn user, and not a father. Therefore, I have no fear from smiting, no hatred of the subject matter, and no offspring to protect. And I am in agreement with td777 on this point. I don’t agree that porn is inherently harmful. As euro points out below, many countries are more liberal on sex and they seem to function just fine. But… Read more »

And yet, they thumbs down on your posting like they did mine. Like I’ve been saying, there are some here who seem to be the very kind of monsters who want to groom children the politicians and media want to accuse us all of being. That is the very reason I chose to quit posting on this thread, I’m too disgusted.

A very spirited discussion here! Keep in mind we’re all in the same fight for our lives and the lives of our families. Prior to the WWW there were National Geographic magazines and Playboys, and no matter how hard my parents tried to shield me, curiosity got the better of me so I peeked. Children are naturally curious and will always find a way to see or do what they want, whether viewing porn or finding alcohol. Do I think it’s right? Nope. Regulating the internet is a parent’s responsibility and duty; in a perfect world it would be harder… Read more »

Just because some things the government does to protect its citizens is wrong(i.e. the registry), it doesn’t mean that everything the government does to protect citizens is wrong. Oh how I wish your statement “I don’t think that for a moment anybody here is advocating exposing children to porn” were how it really is here. However, after reading the posts from some on here, I have to say I believe that is exactly what they are doing. I too was a curious kid, and I know how kids are about it. I am being realistic about this. However, when we… Read more »

You’ve adopted precisely the same shrill, accusatory hysteria that some of us are fighting against. You believe that unexamined beliefs, based upon superstition and prejudice, repeated endlessly and with sufficient vehemence, constitute truth. In fact, they are assertions entirely unsupported by scientific research. Religious belief is not science and your views – which make decidedly scientific claims which are entirely unsupported by science – are thoroughly tainted by your religious prejudices. Your specious claims, based, as they are, on your religiosity, will do nothing to challenge this horrible injustice which is, ultimately, itself a product of your religion. I’m not… Read more »

As I said, if you don’t want to be seen as a monster, a good place to start is simple…don’t be one.

Unfortunately, you’ve posted messages here that politicians and media could use to back their argument that we are dangerous to children. You’ve done nothing but prove that there are some here who are the very type of person they try to convince the public that all of us are.

Gentlemen, please agree to disagree and look at the bigger picture. You will find common ground in the struggle to abolish the registry and free the RSO “slaves.” The problem with the laws currently, is not a religious on, it’s a political one. Both conservatives and liberals vote these crappy laws in, but as said before, the non-conservative politicians have enough sense to keep their mouths closed, the conservatives tend to open mouths and insert both feet, but make no mistake, both groups vote and decide on this registry. Is porn good? nope; is it healthy? doubtful; can it harm?… Read more »

I agree with you on this, which is why I am disgusted that there are some on here who are insisting that pornography is harmless to children. Not only am I disgusted at the notion that it is harmless, I’m also concerned as a registrant. When someone who is an admitted registrant makes such a statement, they make themselves sound like predators and groomers, which simply serves as more ammunition for those who push for stricter laws on registrants. It is harmful to our cause here. I can only hope there more among those who chose not to make their… Read more »

I think you’re confusing my candor for a “strong emotional response”. This is just me being honest. I have felt virtually no emotion in this current discussion aside from the perennial frustration in dealing with unreasoning and irrational people. As for religion, it absolutely is fundamental to understanding how our society got to the place where it is today, even if many of those who challenge our existence believe themselves unmotivated by religious dogma. Whether religious or irreligious, right or left, we (in the West) have all emerged from a more-or-less common culture dominated by an iron age mythology that… Read more »

“Again, you miss what I’m saying. I do not believe in censorship…”
vs.
” I can only hope the moderator here chooses to remove such statements before they are actually used against us.”

Hilarious!

David, Candor and honesty will always be appreciated by me, and it’s not that important to me that we might have different views on things because I’m still learning and think that I can learn something from everyone. How the west got to the point it is now is ancient history, we are at a point where this western culture is totally screwed up. Some think it’s the Judeo-Christian influence, others think it’s a pagan influence. To me it doesn’t matter that much, it just needs fixing. Is there common ground? Yes there is, it’s closing down this registry many… Read more »

Please do not make the mistake of equating “the west” or “the western world” with the US or its puritan / Victorian brethren. This peculiar need to regulate sex and ‘sex offenders’ to this extent is pretty much confined to the US, Canada, UK and Australia. In other words, the US and its closest allies in terms of history and background. Many other countries have as strong or even stronger ties to Christianity. It is the puritan / Victorian strain of religion that is the root of this. There are plenty of countries / societies in the western world where… Read more »

I agree with your assessment of the origin of the panic. It was very much a creation of (and remains dominated by) the Anglo countries. However, we have seen this hysteria spread to all of the other “Western” countries with which I am familiar, both Protestant and Catholic, as well as non-Christian countries in Asia and Africa. The puritanical religious component was key in its development but the resulting hysteria no longer requires religious belief of any kind. Indeed, a strain of feminism which came to dominate the West very much came to “own” this issue. That so many countries… Read more »

Getting slightly off topic here, but which countries do you speak of? Please list – both country and extent.

If you mean, what are the Western (non-Anglo)countries who have moved ever closer towards hysteria, then I would simply say: virtually all of them! I’m not saying they’re all as bad as the U.K./U.S. but the trend has been clear for many years and continues to worsen with each passing decade. And the U.N. is itself a focal point for much internationalized sex offender hysteria. So now is Interpol who are implementing a system which very well might prevent RSO’s from foreign travel.. There are now many countries with sex offender registries that are not English-speaking, for example. There are… Read more »

That is really a non-answer. No, worse, it is just the vague, yet scary sounding, rhetoric that is at the root of the problem. “There are now many countries with sex offender registries that are not English-speaking, for example.” Please name them. Japan comes to mind in some mild form. Who else? “I began witnessing it thirty years ago, in The Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, France, Italy, etc., etc.” Witnessing what exactly? While there may have been adjustments to the criminal law in that time due to changing attitudes, we are talking about post-sentence restrictions and consequences placed on certain convicts… Read more »

I just saw this now so, my apologies for not responding to it earlier. Look, you are demanding myriad details which I’m not inclined to dig up simply to refute your assertion or to confirm mine other than to note that it is a matter of public record that many non-English speaking countries have borrowed heavily from the sex-abuse industry which started right here in the U.S.A. It is also public record that fully international bodies such as Interpol and the U.N. as well as any number of agenda-driven NGO’s, are leading the charge to universalize oppressive ‘sex offender’ laws.… Read more »

I would just disagree that the reasons why we got to this point are entirely “ancient” history. The worst excesses of this movement have taken place within the lifetimes of many of us still living. And I need to point out that I neglected to give the feminists their share of blame in my previous postings. That has been partially rectified in my reply to “euro”. But this hysteria needs to be understood as best as it can in order to successfully counter it, in part by deconstructing the chain of events which lead to it and the forces who… Read more »

Could be that the laws exist strictly to feed the corporate prison machine! As for ancient history, based on my age, if it happened years ago it’s ancient! I’ll agree that the pornography laws do need to change but to which extent I can’t say because I’ve not studied them. The porn laws are just a tiny part of all the “morality” laws that have been passes in the last few decades; few make sense, most do not. There in lies the problem we’re faced with and which landed most of us on this registry. One thing we can all… Read more »

“Could be that the laws exist strictly to feed the corporate prison machine!” No, I don’t think so. I think that business sees opportunity and cashes in. But the mindless hysteria and the terrible laws preceded any attempts at commercial exploitation, even if corporations now play a supportive, but ancillary, role. One should not be so distracted by for-profit prisons that it obscures causality or accords them more influence than they possess. Corporations are not the primary reason for society’s collective insanity, any more than the IG Farben company was primarily responsible for the Holocaust because it supplied the Nazi… Read more »

Porn isn’t even good for adults according to Many! That said the Native Americans tried to protect their children from the white man What happened? The Gypsies tried to protect their culture & children what happened? & now WE need a NEW CRISIS to protect OUR Children & We are putting them on a registry? What’s Gonna Happen? Homeless are being bribed to tell BY AUTHORITIES Shhhhh Quietly! Fema Camps New & shiny W/ Rail cars, AMMO, MRAPS etc. but could do little for Oklahoma NJ & Katrina victims but We paid for it why again?Their Buying stock in STOCKS!… Read more »

I’ll agree on the power thing. Those who exercise great power tend also to exercise great control. Politicians, police chiefs, law enforcement all participate in power grabs, whether they’re little fish in a big pond or big fish in a little pond. If they perceive themselves to be powerful, then they also feel in “control” of their domain, their empires, but rarely in control of themselves, for often times the very thing they prosecute so vehemently, they also get caught up in. Take San Mateo County Probation head for example, getting caught with kiddie porn on his work, yes, WORK… Read more »

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