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Survey – International Travel after IML

If you have traveled to a foreign country after President Obama signed HR 515 / International Megan’s Law into law on February 8, 2016, please complete this survey to help gather details about the effects of this legislation. We will also share this data with the RTAG group for incorporation into their travel matrix. Thank you.

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  1. JM

    I have a question to ask…and I hope someone has an answer. If a lifetime RSO from Michigan has a plan of moving overseas, let’s say in Europe or in Hong Kong. Does he need to inform the authorities that he will move abroad and has no plan of coming back? And, if the authorities would allow him to live overseas, would his name be still in the Michigan Sex Offender Registry? Or would he be removed?

    • AJ

      @JM:
      “If a lifetime RSO from Michigan has a plan of moving overseas, let’s say in Europe or in Hong Kong. Does he need to inform the authorities that he will move abroad and has no plan of coming back?”
      —–
      Yes. The law is you must notify of international travel, not just roundtrip travel. You would just somehow state return date as “none” or “none anticipated.”

      =====
      And, if the authorities would allow him to live overseas, would his name be still in the Michigan Sex Offender Registry? Or would he be removed?
      —–
      I’m not sure which “authorities” you mean. US authorities have no say in the matter if you’re off supervision. If you mean the other country’s authorities, that’s up to the other country. Finally, whether or not you remain on MI’s ML is dependent on MI’s laws. Do they allow de-registration if you move to another State, or are you kept on forever like FL, LA, WI, NY, etc? If you can de-register for a domestic move, you can do so for an international one. Just be aware you would be required to re-register upon entering US sovereignty.

      • TS

        @JM

        Est or scheduled time to return to the USA: TBD

      • RegistrantNotAnOffender

        Correct. I was told though if you have to register for 20 years, the clock stops if you go out of the country and stop registering annually.

        • Will Allen

          That sounds completely wrong. And also idiotic. Whomever said it must’ve forgotten the big lie that the Registries are not for punishment.

        • AJ

          @RegistrantNotAnOffender:
          “the clock stops if you go out of the country and stop registering annually.”
          —–
          Yes, at least a few States have this clause, but I’m more than willing to bet it’s unconstitutional. I’ve gone into the details behind that enough before, and recently, so unless someone asks, I’ll save my fingers and your eyeballs from it.

        • registerednotanoffender

          @AJ,

          It’s good to know I can ask someone. I appreciate a man who does his homework.

      • NY won’t let go

        I can answer about the second part, once you move out of Michigan they take you off their registry.

        I went from Michigan to NY, big mistake NY doesn’t take you off when you leave if you’re on there except in one case that I know of but I can’t afford a federal suit in my case.

  2. JM

    @AJ
    and
    @NYwon’tletgo

    Thank you so much! =)

    My next question is…If the RSO decide to come back to visit, is there a grace period on when should he re-register? Or is it determined by the state he’s visiting? Also, do customs harass ex-pat SO as well?

    • NY won’t let go

      I’m not too sure on a grace period but I think it depends what state.

      I have no intention of setting foot back in the US even as a layover.

      My family is well aware of the situation and know if they wanna see me to come and visit.

      Customs so far living out of the country and traveling haven’t given me a second glance.
      Except Singapore they looked at me really hard because my passport picture doesn’t look much like me anymore.

      The last time I went back to the US though they kept me in secondary for about 2 hours. Asked if I knew I was on the registry. Asked how long I was in jail. Then they apologized and let me on my merry way. The shitty part is the waiting for them to ask you a couple questions. The actual person who questioned me was nice and has a brother on the list so he understood why my passport got flagged coming back in.

    • AJ

      @JM:
      You’re more than welcome. At times we’re all each of us has; we need to support each other in any way we can, as we can.

      “If the RSO decide to come back to visit, is there a grace period on when should he re-register?”
      —–
      I *believe* you would have the same grace period as anyone relocating domestically, though I highly recommend checking AWA to see if there are Federal timelines. To my recollection, AWA defers to the jurisdictions on this.
      =====

      “Also, do customs harass ex-pat SO as well?”
      —–
      If they can, they will. You might be able to escape such scrutiny if you don’t have a marked passport…but I doubt it because you’ll still be in the omnibus database they use. IOW, chances are you’ll get the “scenic route” through customs.

  3. NotEasilyOffended

    Scheduled Travel to Belize.

    My conviction is from 2003, Federal Courts, single count of possession of child pornography. Served 2yrs federal prison time, completed 4yrs probation, completed sex offender therapy program. As a California resident, I am required to register but I am not on the Megan’s Law website.

    My passport was expired and I knew that renewing could come with the sex offender identifier. I renewed last August (2018), sending in my expired passport, and received my new passport in a timely fashion. It did NOT come with any endorsements. In fact, I had also requested a passport card as I am in California and occasionally travel to Mexico by car (never any issues going south, the usual 2-hr BS in secondary coming back north); I received the passport card as well but later read that anyone under the new endorsement law is not eligible for a card as there is no means to mark or endorse it. I was very pleased that I did not meet the requirements for a marked passport.

    After my last trip to Mexico, several years ago, I did request a DHS TRIP (REDRESS) number, but I have no idea if this actually does anyone any good or not (Google it if you want to learn more).

    I did some research online and reviewed the travel matrix. I learned that Belize was open to registered citizens from other countries and no one reported ever having an issue. The only negative I could find is that Belize did recently enacted their own sex offender registry. My travel friends are aware of my limitations and Belize was acceptable all around. Tours were book, airline tickets purchased, accommodations reserved.

    As per SORNA, I notified my registering agency 21 days in advance of travel with our itinerary. It is unsettling that we are required by law to make this notification but there is no receipt or acceptance letter issued. I did call a few days after sending in my request and confirmed they had received it and dutifully recorded who I spoke with.

    I continued to search online for issues regarding travel to Belize and, once again, only found positive reports. Some RCs even recommended Belize as a good option for international travel. I was looking forward to this as the weather there is amazing and there are many tourist activities that sounded amazing (tubing through caves, secluded beaches, zip-lining, scuba diving).

    Then it happened. The airlines called. I don’t know exactly what was said because my friend was the contact person, but the jist was that the airlines was contacted by Belize and that based on an INTERPOL report I was not eligible to enter the country. This occurred 2 days prior to our departure date. The airlines, for their part, was very sympathetic and provided a refund on my non-refundable ticket. I am thankful that even though it was last minute, I was given warning. How much worse it would have been to have reached our destination airport only to be escorted immediately back onto a return flight.

    I was feeling pretty confident based on my anecdotal/internet research, not being listed on our state’s website, a non-contact conviction, and received a “clean” passport. I had traveled, a few years ago, via cruise ship, to several Western Caribbean islands without difficulty (except for the usual US Customs BS). It was disheartening, of course, and just another kick by a system that really serves no purpose. I will attempt to obtain a copy of the INTERPOL report, to ensure it was at least accurate, but I’ve already read it is a difficult task to accomplish.

    So, let me be the first (I believe) to report here that Belize is now a No-Go. I wonder if I will soon receive a revocation letter regarding my passport, I will update this post if I do.

    It is possible to live and be happy with 290: I have custody of my children, own a business (I’ll admit getting a “job” can be difficult), have many supportive friends/family/neighbors, own my home, and am a productive member of my community. It never ceases to amaze me though at how many roadblocks are put in our way to happiness.

    Good luck to all of you and I’m willing to answer any follow-up questions you might have regarding this trip (although I tried to be thorough).

    And, again, for anyone just skimming the articles, I was denied entry, via phone call, into Belize in January 2019.

    • Will Allen

      Well, very nice that they actually informed you in advance. I think we’ve all heard many stories of people having to turn around in airports.

      What a pile of manure this all is though. Who are the “people” who are pushing this? We all need to understand that those people are enemies of good Americans. We all need to understand that those people are a danger. They deserve and need to be punished. Let’s not let them hide within their big governments.

      We all also need to keep all of this in mind when one of those blowhard big government employees is being interviewed and talking about how they are doing X, Y, and Z at the border to keep us “safe” that THEY are THOSE people. They are the people who are doing nothing useful except giving themselves jobs. They are never to be trusted, for anything. They are useless harassers. We’ve got to do what we can to keep money out of the hands of big government. We’ve got to shrink big government.

    • CDC Alum

      Was there a California form for your SORNA 21-day travel notice? If so, where did you get it?

      • NotEasilyOffended

        There was a brief one-page form that was provided to me by the agency I register with.

        • CDC Alum

          Thanks. I requested a form from my local (CA) registering agency, and was sent a one-page PDF by email which has no identifier other than “(Orig. 07/2016)” in the upper left corner. It looks vaguely federal.

          I was told in the email by the detective that I could fill it in, scan it, and mail it back to the same detective that sent it to me, even though the form says on its face: “..submit this form in person or send via certified mail..”.

          I questioned this, and the detective wrote that my email would be proof of the date I had sent it in. I think I’ll ask for an emailed acknowledgement when I do.

    • Chris

      Well, that is disheartening news. Was hoping to plan a trip there later this year myself. Have you made any attempt to contact Belizean authorities to ask about the denial and what their current law states?

      • NotEasilyOffended

        I have yet to do more than update you all and Janice. There is an avenue to request a copy of one’s Interpol report but they solicit clearance from the originating organization (DHS?) before they will honor the request; to me, setting you up for a denial. I will look into requesting information from the Belizian Govt as well and will update this post with my results (or lack/denial there of).

    • Manuel

      I was reading your report and notice that you still register( As a California resident, I am required to register)this is you if you look at this information you will see that you are a covered sex offender according to section (c) Defined terms
      In this section-

      (1) the term “covered sex offender” means an individual who-

      (A) is a sex offender, as defined in section 21503(f) of title 34; and

      (B) is currently required to register under the sex offender registration program of any jurisdiction;

      that’s why you were not eligible to enter the country you may want to see this http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title22-section212b&num=0&edition=prelim

      • NotEasilyOffended

        I appreciate the link you provided and read the information on that page. However, I’m not sure what you were attempting to illustrate.

        Yes, I am an RSO. I applied for a new passport and was issued one without the unique identifier. Perhaps they will revoke it, I don’t know.

        I notified my registering agency in advance of my intended travel and I am aware this is forwarded to Angel Watch, who in turn notifies the receiving country (in my case, Belize).

        Being an RSO does not categorically prevent entry to all countries, each has their own criteria and use the Angel Watch information differently. Historically, Belize was a country that did allow RSO citizens from other countries to visit.

        As there seems to be no reliable or official avenue to discern which countries will allow entry and which will not, we registered citizens must rely on reports from each other, anecdotal evidence as it were, to base our travel decisions on.

        • TR

          @NotEasilyOffended
          You can expect that all of Latin American countries are turning registrants away due to the effects of IML, but someday change will come.

  4. Illinois Contact

    RTAG has retained an attorney in Mexico and is seeking to raise funds. Please see below.

    From:
    Date: January 14, 2019 at 9:53:58 PM CST
    To: “latin Travel”
    Subject: [FWD: RV: Plan of Action from Matt and Luis, Business Plan from Luis]

    We put on retainer an American Lawyer based in Mexico city who will work with an immigration lawyer and Mexican Immigration to hope fully reverse the worst aspects of International Megan’s Law and how it applies to registrant travel to Mexico. Details are below. I have sent my own personal funds to get things started.

    We need a total of $ 2,000 and have sent $ 500. So, small $ 10 or $ 20 donations from a few registrants is all we need. Please donate what you can and spread the word.

    http://registranttag.org/donate/

    Paul Rigney
    Registrant Travel Action Group, Inc
    rigneyp@registranttag.org
    214-624-2552
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    Paul:

    I attach a Plan of Action authored by Luis and myself, based on our discussions with you.

    We are open to any further questions and are ready to provide any additional information.

    Kind regards and Happy New Year,
    Matt Ameika

    ———————————————————————————————————————————

    Dear Paul Rigney:

    We will thoroughly investigate the Angel Guardian program in Mexico, analyzing the effects of Angel Guardian on the local, state, and especially federal level. Then, we will present you and your organization with a comprehensive report, outlining suggested plans of action. We will also examine International Megan’s Law and Angel Watch in the United States and in Mexico, where possible.

    In particular, Luis will interview Federal government members and INM (Instituto National de Migracion) officers. INM is the government organization responsible for visitors coming into Mexico. We will examine the system of “Alerts” between Mexico and the US, so that we can understand exactly how “Alerts” are assigned to an individual entering Mexico. Also, I will investigate the FBI method of reporting convicted sex crime criminals as opposed to those who are on the sex crimes registry without a conviction. We will attempt to convince Mexican authorities to understand the differences between a hardened sex crime offender and someone who was arrested many years ago for a statutory age difference resulting in a sex crime conviction in the US, as well as other distinctions. This will take time.

    Most importantly, we will apply for visas for individuals in your organization based on our investigation and report. If we can convince the government to allow 5 people with a similar sex offender background into Mexico, this creates a precedent for changes in the law in Mexico. Because many visa applications will create controversy, we are ready to escalate the process if the applicant is refused. The escalation would be an “Amparo,” a lawsuit of sorts against both the authorities refusing the visa and the Mexican government. Victory in these lawsuits would pave the way for progress in admitting sex crime offenders into Mexico as tourists, family members of Mexicans, Residency visas, Refugees, and Asylum Visas.

    Luis’s law firms, JAI International, has associates extremely experienced in these types of legal proceedings. The associates have agreed to take these Amparos, should they arise.

    More than anything else, we will work for justice on behalf of sex crime offenders trying to enter Mexico and use every power in the Mexican, and, if necessary, American legal arsenal. As client advocates, justice is not only our job, but our belief.

    Please let us know when you would like to get started. Both Luis and I stand ready for any questions you or others may have.

    Sincerely,
    Matt Ameika
    Luis Fernández
    Attorneys at Law

    • AJ

      @Illinois Contact:
      Thanks for posting this. Though I have no plans to go to Mexico anytime soon, I’m chipping in. Any progress and pushback against the US oppression is money well-spent!

      • Illinois Contact

        Recent email exchange with Paul Rigney of RTAG:

        Just sent a contribution. Please let me know of your progress and I can send more money.

        Why not do the same thing in other countries (hire a local attorney, etc)? So many places might be opened to us with this approach.

        ————————————————————————————————————————–

        I have read many people on the ACSOL blog bemoaning newly announced (on the RTAG site) no-go on Belize. My wife and I and our son have visited the enchanted rain forests and would love to visit again.

        Might this be another target of a local attorney, like your new Mexican effort? Since the barring of sex offenders was recent, maybe it’s possible to overturn this dreadful decision.

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        rigneyp@registranttag.org

        Yes. That is our intent. Based on how this goes, we will use the same formula for other countries.
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        Great news, Paul. Here’s my personal wish list: UK, Vietnam, Costa Rica, Belize. Canada maybe already can be done with their Rehabilitation for Persons Who Are Inadmissible to Canada Because of Past Criminal Activity program.

        https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/application-forms-guides/guide-5312-rehabilitation-persons-inadmissible-canada-past-criminal-activity.html

        Can you recommend a lawyer to help with that — my wife and I used to love seeing the plays at the Stratford Festival before my conviction in 2006.

        While I have your attention, we have discussed the issue of cruises. At my advancing age (76) that’s becoming an attractive travel option, but I’m concerned about some lines barring us and also stopping for excursions in countries where we would ordinarily be denied entry. Now, I have read that you don’t have to go through customs in each port, just use your ship ID. You had said you might add a section to the RTAG website listing cruise ships yes/no.

        Thank you so much for your work in this area. I’ll send another contribution, and encourage everyone who is also concerned about being held captive in our own country to do the same.

        ————————————————————————————————————————–
        Please donate what you can and spread the word.

        http://registranttag.org/donate/

        • Dustin

          Quick question. I know that Mexico has always been turning registrants away. With that being said, a friend of mine who happens to be on the registry in my state is in Cancun Mexico right now as of 2/22/19. He is on the registry for life, and is listed as a Tier 3 (which is suppose to be the “worse”). Like me, he was sentenced under a program called the Holmes Youthful Training Act. The records are sealed from public view, however we are still required to be listed on the PUBLIC registry for life (makes no sense.. I know).

          I don’t want him to know that I know he’s on the registry, but I’m just wondering how the HELL he got in. I thought Mexico was turning ALL registrants away. Because his status is public, and even the sealed record is open to law enforcement, FBI , etc, I am curious as to HOW he got in.

          He did fly into Mexico. He got there yesterday and has already checked into his Hotel and is out sipping martinis on the beach. His charge is Criminal Sexual Conduct (including force and coercion) with victim 13-15. Did Mexico just so happen to overlook this by accident? Are there any others that can chime in on this?

        • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

          Dustin, I tend to think that the reason why your friend got into Mexico is that government is neither the model of efficiency nor intelligence. In other words, their system doesn’t always work. For that, we should be grateful while never completely relying upon its incompetence.

  5. JM

    So, you are still in the New York SO Registry, right? But somehow, Singapore allowed you to enter in their country? That’s great! Coz according to RTAG Matrix, SO is not allowed in SN.

    Do you guys think it is possible for a SO to acquire citizenship from other country? Or do you think an SO will have a problem in acquiring Permanent Residence in Europe or some Asian countries?

    I did my research but I know that personal experience will give me better answers to my questions.
    Thanks in advance!

    • PK

      “Do you guys think it is possible for a SO to acquire citizenship from other country? Or do you think an SO will have a problem in acquiring Permanent Residence in Europe or some Asian countries?”

      Do you think it’s going to be ‘smooth sailing’ or something?

      If you are married in the foreign country, it would make things a lot easier.

    • Will Allen

      Sorry I don’t have any personal experience with any Registered person attempting to get citizenship in a different country.

      But I would like to think and hope that there are countries in the world that are a lot more advanced and civil than Amerika and that you could apply to them for asylum from illegal persecution in Amerika. I do think there are plenty of countries that are much more moral than Amerika so I’d think there would be a better chance with them.

    • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

      JM, Sadly, I do not think that it is likely that registrants can attain citizenship, or even permanent residency, in any country with which I am familiar. I have never seen any description of immigration policies that do not include that country’s scrutiny of comprehensive criminal records which come directly from the U.S. Department of Justice/FBI. Whether or not a particular country is less hysterical about sex crimes ultimately has little to do with their process for approval of permanent residency or citizenship applications. It doesn’t even seem to matter if that country is widely viewed as a “basket case” by world standards, they still guard their immigration controls jealously. The only factor which I have not fully taken into account during my own searches for another country is that of marriage to a national. However, I know that many countries do not give that factor so much weight that a U.S. Registrant would be welcome as a spouse. Further, the IML makes it extremely easy for a country to exclude us even for the purpose of visiting, and many (most?) are doing just that. That means that even getting into a country for the purpose of overstaying a tourist visa or possibly meeting a national for the purpose of marriage are greatly diminished. What was once possible is now highly improbable. I am not at all optimistic about emmigration from the U.S. as a way to gain relief from our oppression in the U.S. and I have been following this topic for decades. The only thing I can recommend now is to join together in the fight to restore our civil rights.

      • anonymous

        When last I looked into the idea of emigrating, one country stood out for the relative ease of obtaining citizenship: Sweden. The only character requirement for citizenship looked at your conduct *while in Sweden*.
        Also, Iceland required a criminal background check, but a criminal record only disqualified you for a certain number of years, and then only if the crime was punishable by (I think, I’m going by memory here) more than two years under Icelandic law.

        The hardest part is getting permission to live there in the first place. You would need a job in the country that allowed you to support yourself. You have to live there so many years before you can be considered for citizenship (five years for Sweden and 10 years for Iceland, I think), and time spent with tourist or student status does not count toward that time.

        Also, I seem to remember reading that Germany does not require submission of FBI checks for their applications. You need to submit your German criminal record, which would hopefully be non-existent. As far as I know, they are one of the only European countries that allows you to change status while in the country. So you can go in as a tourist, find a job, and then apply for a work permit while still in the country. Japan is the same way, if they permit you to enter in the first place.

    • NY won’t let go

      Yes they let me into SIngapore,but honestly it wasn’t worth the trip. The food was way over priced and just getting through immigration took 2 hours due to the massive amount of people and only 2 counters open.

      There are a few places on the RTag list I have gone that said people were turned away, I may just have been lucky as none of the countries here except Japan have a direct link to the US criminal database.

      I’m still on the fence about trying for Japan as my sentence was less that a year which would technically let me in, but the plead I took might bar me.

      And the landing card you have to let them know if you have ever had a crime anywhere.

      Acquiring citizenship, the easiest route would be to be insanely rich, or marry a local as PK has said. Some countries it takes longer than others. My current country the average time to get PR is about 8-14 years of living here. Citizenship you need to add on another 10-15years for that to get approved.

      Luckily they base it off your behavior while living here and I can actually apply for a cert of good conduct from here.

      • JM

        @NY won’t let go
        Thank you so much for all that info…very much appreciated. I have a few more questions here that you or others may have the answers…
        > May I know how did you get off the “watch lists” and other “notices”?
        > What steps that needs to take after notifying authorities one last time that im leaving the country?
        > Are there any websites/organizations that needs to contact or petition for registry removal?

        I am not sure where to start =(
        Btw, the conviction has nothing to do with minor.

        Thanks in advance.

        • NY won’t let go

          The watchlists I am not sure of, I haven’t had issue going to the countries I’ve gone to, although I was terrified about some of them. I think the botices only get sent out when you leave the US initially.

          I notified them I was going on vacations, after that notified them again that I wouldn’t be coming back after I had already left the country.

          They told me to email them an updated address form and to continue updating them every time I moved. Every three years I am to send them a selfie along with any updates in address, email, phone number, cars, etc. which I think is ridiculous.

          Am am still on the NY registry because of their loophole thanks to Doe v O’Donnell.

          Sorry can’t be of much more help, for getting off the registry it just depends what state you’re coming from. If it’s like Michigan, once you move out of state they take you off.

  6. Mike G

    I finally went in today to apply for a replacement passport for the one that was revoked last April. If you have ever been issued a passport, but don’t have the passport with you when you apply, you have to fill out a form DS-64 explaining how your previous passport was lost or stolen. Of course, mine was neither, so I left both boxes blank. When interviewed for my application, the person said “So how was your passport lost?” and I said, “It wasn’t lost – it was revoked”. She was a little taken aback, and said “So is it okay for you to have one now?”, and I said “Yes, they told me I could apply for another one”. She said “Ok”, and went ahead and processed my application. I guess she assumed it was revoked because of some bad thing I had done, but thankfully, no discussion of IML or RCs came up. I’ll post again when I actually get it and see what it looks like.

    Btw, I do have permanent residency in Mexico. I got my “green card” about 5 years ago, 20 years after my “crime” but before IML. I also have a residence in Mexico, but because of IML, I have been afraid to go there for the last year (my wife has gone down a few times to check on it). For me to visit legally, I would have to give the 21 day notice, and the last thing I want is for someone to notify the Mexican government that I am coming. I want to stay far under the radar in Mexico, as we are planning to move there if and when I can get off this damn California registry.

  7. DD

    Does anyone know if IML applies to a person that is no longer required to register? The passport marker does not seem to apply but 21 day notice may apply. Can someone please clarify and post any sources where you got this information from. Thanks guys

    • RegistrantNotAnOffender

      Did your offense involve a minor? I thought the identifier says this person has been convicted of a sex offense against a minor. Even if you dont register anymore, unless you get it expunged it would still be a conviction on record.

  8. Mike G

    The two requirements that make someone subject to IML:

    1) You are required to register (either locally or in some previous state that won’t let you off).

    2) Your offense involved a minor (federal definition = under age 18).

    If either of those doesn’t apply, you are not subject to IML.

    Keep in mind: Angel Watch is not tied to IML – they could still send notices when you fly out of the country if they feel like it.

    • NY won’t let go

      My concern from the beginning with IML has been, how does the effect those of us that don’t live in the country anymore but are still stuck on a registry for some reason?

      Have talked to a few lawyers and emailed DHS and the registry which I’m stuck on and none could/would give me an answer.

  9. km

    Quick summary of my situation:

    1. Cal PC 647.6 (misdemeanor conviction) registered once, then moved out-of-state
    2. not registered in the state i currently live (state board said i am not required to)
    3. not listed on any ML websites

    Now my question:

    Am I still subject to IML?

    • Mike G

      @km
      As long as you informed California when you moved out of state, and you are sure they removed you from their registry as a result (do you have any paperwork to support that?), then you should be in the clear from IML.

      • km

        That is where the question comes in. California doesn’t deregister you when you leave. I recently just found out im still on their registry, albeit with an old out of state address and nothing has been updated in 3 years.

        IML says that I am susceptible if I am required to register in any jurisdiction. Well Im not required anymore because California only requires I register if I live there and my current state said I am not. The problem is, California still has me in their system- just not on Megans Law website because I was exempted.

        • AJ

          @km:
          “IML says that I am susceptible if I am required to register in any jurisdiction. Well Im not required anymore because California only requires I register if I live there and my current state said I am not.”
          —–
          You seem to be answering your own question. You may be on CA’s registry, but are not required to register there. From what you’ve said, you’re not required to register in any jurisdiction. That would seem to be your answer. Unfortunately, nobody seems quite sure.

          “Overbroad and unconstitutionally vague” is ringing in my ears…

  10. DD

    Thanks for the response,very much appreciated. As far as the passport marker is concerned, I read the law and it seems to be exactly as Mike g stated. As far as the 21 days notice goes, I think it’s incorporated into sorna and it seems that there is no exemption to sorna because we are held personally liable to be compliant, whether you get off your state registry or not. I hope I’m wrong but I think we’re f*****d no matter what we do. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

  11. Mike G

    Hello,
    Wondering if anyone has recent experience entering Croatia. It is not Schengen, and is not listed on RTag. I’m scheduled to visit there in September as part of a European tour.

    Also, does anyone know of anyone being turned away from Celebrity Cruise Lines?

    Thanks.

    • steve @Mike G

      I am going to Croatia in June…I’ll let you know.

    • brunello

      A year or two ago I traveled into Croatia by bus. As I recall, the Croatian border guy just came into the bus and stamped passports as necessary. No problem at all.

      • Mike G

        @brunello – Thanks for the info. I just hope the marked passport doesn’t change things 🙁

  12. Jon

    LEGAL RESEARCH
    Seeking two persons to share in legal research regarding SORNA and federal jurisdiction with the sole aim of seeking freedom through researching, drafting and filing court documents for the purpose of exiting the United States to live abroad.

    I signed a guilty plea agreement in 2006 for attempted lewdness with a minor and was released from prison in 2014. I am on lifetime supervision.

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    Note, must have at least 3 hours a week to commit for reading and reviewing a lawful strategy. 
    This is NOT a quick fix solution, it is a viable solution for those desiring freedom.

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  13. America's Most Hated

    This is my new forums site to discuss travel matters. Please come chat.

    registranttravel.freeforum.net

  14. 2018 Travel Update

    Here’s my experience traveling in 2018. Took approximately 6 business trips, mainly to Europe, and provided 21-day notice, though did make some last-minute changes due to client demands or cheap airfare. Never had a problem getting into Europe and went to several different countries. Only issues were when returning, though once did not have to go through secondary! When I did go through secondary, it varied from quick look through my luggage to numerous questions that felt like an interrogation. I think 3 of those times they made calls to someone (2 of them I know where to my local registration contact.) I have yet to receive any letters about passport revocation so still do not have the stamp. Not sure why, I’m Tier 1 with CP charge, given probation (my situation was a bit unique compared to most and I’ve passed all the tests – those in treatment know what I’m talking about…), have to register for about 1 more year, but not on a public/online registry. While I expect a notice to come any day, holding my breath I make it 1 more year. I’ve traveled pretty extensively, was even allowed to travel internationally for work while on probation, so I have pretty much seen it all – being denied entry to a country, removed from an outbound flight from US for questioning but then allowed to get back on the flight (that was fun!), varying degrees of secondary searches (from very minor to feeling I just got a colonoscopy), etc… So much stress and I fear traveling but have to for work.
    Happy to answer any questions, but to everyone, there is hope though I worry every day it will go away and I will lose my means to provide for my family.

    • Interested

      So your background causing the registration was a misdemeanor CP offense? Just trying to assess my situation against yours. Thank you.

      • 2018 Travel Update

        Felony. Hard to access anything as things at times appear random. If you figure anything out please let us know.

  15. Illinois Contact

    How long will you been on registry when you get off? What state do you live in? Been to Portugal recently? My wife and I are planning a trip there this summer and I don’t anticipate problems. I don’t have the Passport mark — haven’t traveled abroad since that started. Any place you have been admitted outside Europe? Thanks for your very encouraging report.

    • 2018 Travel Update

      10 years. Western state. Yes to Portugal and no problem. Eastern Europe, West Africa, Middle East.

      • Mike G

        10 years? I’m guessing maybe Utah. My cousin there slept with his step-daughter from age 9 to age 16 (her mother worked a night shift). He got 10 years on the registry, then he’s all done. Me, I touch a little girl’s chest one time and I get lifetime registration. P.S. As soon as she turned 18, his step daughter moved back in with him.

      • Cam

        Hello there, have you traveled directly to France and had any issues? Also, have you gone to Tahiti or have any knowledge about traveling there as a RSO? Thank you. @2018 Travel Update

        • Warren

          I went to Tahiti and many of the French Polynesia islands (Such as Moorea, Raiatea, Bora Bora, etc.) last year and had no problems traveling as a RSO. Next trip in May/June is to Europe (Spain, France, Italy) and expect no problems.

  16. NY won’t let go

    Has anyone been to Saipan or Guam? I may have to go there for work but I really don’t want to go into US territory. Is it as bad or worse there for registrants? Was reading up a bit on their registries but I’m not sure if by their laws I would have to register.

    • AJ

      @NY won’t let go:
      I’d be careful were I you and given your concern about your future passport renewal. 1) you’ll be telling the US where you are; 2) if you’re “IML eligible” it may trigger a revocation process that seems triggered by crossing into the US and its various trophy properties.

      FYI: Saipan’s visa waiver (to spur tourism) allows Chinese nationals to travel there easily…and give birth to acquire US citizenship for their kiddos. (Do a search for “chinese birth tourism”.)

      • NY won’t let go

        @AJ Yeah that’s what I figured. I think I’ll just stay in my hidey hole and tell the boss I can’t go there. 😂😂

    • Same rules

      Guam is a U.S. territory, so U.S. laws apply. Their individual registrant guidelines can be found on line. I have been there while in military. It is a small place.

  17. Mike G

    I just received my new “Scarlet Letter” passport today. I was slightly encouraged that the “marking” is not near as obvious as I feared it would be. It was poorly printed. The top line was fairly light and didn’t quite completely print. It looks like it says “- Bearer of this passport was convicted of a SF offense against a minor”.
    I really doubt that anyone would notice the marking unless they were looking for it.

    Anyway, I’ll be trying it out for the first time in April. Would like to hear from anyone who has had a negative experience directly attributed to the marking.

    • Sex Offender Truth

      Good to hear that it is small but it will be accompanied by or proceeded by an Interpol Green Notice which will alert them to the fact even if they were to miss the mark at the end of the passport.

      Could you do me a favor and email a photo of the mark (just the mark with no identifying info) so that I can post it on SexOffenderTruth.com – I think that information would be very helpful to those such as myself who are in the same situation as yourself and need all of the information we can get so thank you in advance. Please send to admin@sexoffendertruth.com and thank you for your assistance.

      • Mike G

        @Sex Offender Truth

        I emailed it. Let me know if you didn’t get it.

        • Sex Offender Truth

          Received it – thank you. I will make a blog post so that others can see the exact placement, wording, and appearance of this pathetic bastardization of our travel document. Thank you Obama for signing this unnecessary prejudicial and oppressive law which allows for this shameful travesty.

    • MANUEL

      well Mike G here is the link to that “Scarlet Letter” print on passport https://sexoffendertruth.com/united-states-passport-sex-offender-identifier/

  18. J.D.

    I just received my new passport last week. Prior to submitting the application, I had called the State Department to find out if there were special IML instructions so I was attempting to comply. The name page says endorsement on p. 27, but it is blank. I may not use it for awhile, but I am concerned about the cost RC’s are getting hit with for reissued passports. It is not my fault they didn’t print it. Could it be imbedded in the chip?

    • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

      J.D., “Could it be imbedded in the chip?” It seems unlikely. I think you should count yourself lucky – so far. I’m not sure how many post-IML passports issued without the scarlet letter have later been recalled by State. Can you tell us something about your conviction and when it was, please?

      • PK

        @David,

        “you should count yourself lucky” hasn’t this mistake happened more than twice?

      • J.D.

        My conviction was 2005, victim under 14 in California. I served 10.5 years and 5 years of parole. DMV is such a mess, I decided a Passport was the way to go for airline travel in the USA for now.

    • DD

      Hey Jd, when did you apply for your passport? I applied 4 weeks ago and it says it’s still processing…. Its making me nervous given my status, I’m hoping it’s not getting delayed because of the identifier.

      • J.D.

        My conviction was 2005, victim under 14 in California. I served 10.5 years and 5 years of parole. DMV is such a mess, I decided a Passport was the way to go for airline travel in the USA for now.

      • J.D.

        I applied on Jan 21. It was regular service, not expedited. Arrived Feb. 7 Priority mail. You can have State Department notify you by email. Go to their website and track passport.

        • E @ JD

          Did your old passport get revoked via certified letter AND they then forgot to add the identifier? Or did you just apply for a new one? In the second case, it won’t get revoked until you use it.

      • RegistrantNotAnOffender

        Mine didn’t come until I forgot I applied. No identifier

  19. Mike G

    I will continue to feel that those who got new passports with no mark are lucky – until I hear of one being revoked again because of no mark. If they are really lucky, the State Department computer shows that they have a marked one, just someone forgot to print the mark – may be good for 10 years!

    Obviously, the seriousness of the offence is not a determining factor. I spent only 30 days in county jail, but they didn’t forget the mark on my passport.

    • e @ Mike G

      Until CBP sees it the first time and notifies State the sign of the beast is missing!

      • Mike G

        You may be right, if they are now instructed to look for it. In my several dozen experiences with CBP at Secondary Inspection, I have only seen them scan the passport and then look at their computer screen, not page through it.

        Worst case is it is revoked again, but if they have to pay again for another passport, there should be basis for some kind of claim or action.

  20. David

    I received a notice in my mailbox yesterday that I have a certified lettet from the Department of State awaiting my signature verifying receipt. I assume that it is either an offer of employment or an accommodation for being an excellent representative of the United States for exhibiting exemplary respect and courtesy to other cultures.
    Could I be mistaken? 🤔

    • PK

      @David

      When was the last time that you traveled?
      Did you provide advanced notice of your intended travel?

      • David

        @ PK: I returned from a trip to France four months ago. Yes, I had provided the required 21-day advance notification.
        (I am listed on the Forever Florida Registry, so it was just a matter of time before they revoked my passport [assuming the State Department’s letter is not, in fact, a job offer or an accommodation.])

        • Will Allen

          If you don’t need to travel any time soon, just ignore it. Maybe their software will trigger a remailing every couple of weeks. That would be fun to watch for a year or so. Eventually they might have to get a real person involved.

        • PK

          @Will- Or they could just revoke his passport anyway, and then the next time he’s waiting for his plane to leave, he’ll be yanked off!

        • Will Allen

          PK (February 19, 2019):

          I would expect that they would revoke his passport. I would expect that the only reason that they would not is if they could not legally do so without notifying him in advance. That was why I said that he should only consider ignoring it if he didn’t need to travel. And in any case, he needs to contact them before he tries to travel again. But I’d just wait if I could.

          Personally, I think it is great to ignore government as much and often as possible. Make their jobs hard. String them along. Cause them problems. It should be the goal of every person to make every government employee hate their jobs as much as possible. I’ve done a great job with that with our local law enforcement. Most of them hate their jobs and their turnover rate is outrageous. Their salaries are in the toilet. It’s great. It’s also amazing that we don’t have rampant crime. THAT is a real effect of the Registries. Concrete, real effect.

  21. E

    I have had my charge reduced to misdomeanor (311.11a) and am off public list. Can’t get expunged due to a 2015 conviction. Even with the legal system saying I am a low risk of re offending and no previous convictions for any offense, I can’t understand how the feds can justify sending a notice to another country saying that I am a danger to commit a crime.
    I simply can’t believe as smart as I am that I did this to myself! I love travel so much and it has been such a huge part of my life. I keep getting asked by friends in other countries when I will be visiting, and it kills me. I know “Fair” and “Just” are words never to be spoken on this site, but come on!

    • NotEasilyOffended

      It is true, on one hand, that these repercussions are a result of decisions we made. I remind myself of that as well. However, one could not ever have imagined the ever-expanding depth those repercussions would become.

      I sympathize with you regarding travel. I have a close family friend that has bought property in Belize, a country that is now refusing RC’s. I live in Southern California and often traveled to Mexico, another no-go (“Mexican Riviera” cruises were an inexpensive family favorite).

      And you are also correct that it seems ludicrous to imagine that a non-contact crime, many years ago, presents any danger to the citizens of a foreign country you might want to visit.

      Good luck.

    • David

      @ E: “E” is for Europe – a place you can still go. Yes, a lot of countries have banned us thanks to our own government, but we are still able to enter the European countries (that are arti3s to the Schengen Agreement).

      The 26 countries that are currently members of the Schengen agreement are Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland.
      Apart from these countries, the Schengen area also includes the Caribbean islands that belong to France and the three European micro-states — Monaco, San Marino, and the Vatican City. These territories and micronations maintain open or semi-open borders for visitors.

      • AJ

        @David:
        From what I recall someone on here posting some time back, St. Martin/Sint Maarten is a no-go for RCs. That’s curious, given the mother countries being accepting.

  22. MANUEL 2

    Question: who has gone to Mexico after you have Deregister and not having problems? with flying . I will be going to Mexico on April I was Deregister in 2017 hopefully everything will be ok
    p.s I’m no longer in website in my home town or the national web

  23. Barb Wright

    What are the implications of the Alabama “compelled speech” ruling on the IML?

    • RegistrantNotAnOffender

      Pretty certain they arent related as one is a federal law and the other is a state law.

      • David

        Not so sure it’s different as the U.S. Constitution applies to both federal and state laws.

        • Registered notoffender

          Yes but SCOTUS would have to rule for an Alabama ruling to reach the west coast.

    • AJ

      @Barb Wright:
      “What are the implications of the Alabama ‘compelled speech’ ruling on the IML?”
      —–
      I suggest you check out comments and thoughts in the topic elsewhere on here: https://all4consolaws.org/2019/02/al-11th-circuit-determines-alabama-laws-to-be-punishment/

      ******

      @RegistrantNotAnOffender
      “Pretty certain they arent related as one is a federal law and the other is a state law.”
      —–
      That one is a State law and the other a Federal law doesn’t matter. Compelled Speech is Compelled Speech regardless what governmental entity does it–the Feds are just usually better at avoiding it than the States. It may apply, but one never knows unless and until going through the courts. IMO, it mostly aligns; however, diplomacy and interaction with foreign sovereigns (which is what a passport, and thus the IML marker, is) are often given great deference to the Executive Branch. It may be possible to combine a few things about IML to make headway, and Compelled Speech is but one possible element of an argument.

      • Chris f

        At this point, instead of playing whack a mole on the federal restrictions against sex offenders and state and even city restrictions, I think the best challenge is to lump it all together and challenge being put on “the list” that subjects one to all that.

        I think a combined substantive/procedural due process and equal protection challenge with a sprinkling of bill of attainder and separation of powers to slam it home should suffice. I guess we will see with Mike Rs challenge.

        It still perplexes me how no challenge I can find brings up the thought that legislature should require strict scrutinty for laws against someone due to prior conviction when those restrictions should be under control of the judge during sentencing. Otherwise, anyone with a conviction or deferred adjudication may have to check local and federal laws evey day and every time he travels anywhere…like only sex offenders have to do so far…

        Seems like a perfect place for a judge to say strict scrutiny is required to protect our concept of “ordered liberty”.

  24. Dustin

    Quick question. I know that Mexico has always been turning registrants away. I have never been, and not sure I even want to. With that being said, a friend of mine who happens to be on the registry in my state is in Cancun Mexico right now. He is on the registry for life, and is listed as a Tier 3 (which is suppose to be the “worse”)

    I don’t want him to know that I know he’s on the registry, but I’m just wondering how the HELL he got in. I thought Mexico was turning ALL registrants away. He did fly into Mexico. He got there yesterday and has already checked into his Hotel. His charge is Criminal Sexual Conduct (including force and coercion) with victim 13-15. Did Mexico just so happen to overlook this by accident? Are there any others that can chime in on this?

  25. Dustin- MEXICO

    Quick question. I know that Mexico has always been turning registrants away. I have never been, and not sure I even want to. With that being said, a friend of mine who happens to be on the registry in my state is in Cancun Mexico right now. He is on the registry for life, and is listed as a Tier 3 (which is suppose to be the “worse”)

    I don’t want him to know that I know he’s on the registry, but I’m just wondering how the HELL he got in. I thought Mexico was turning ALL registrants away. He did fly into Mexico. He got there yesterday and has already checked into his Hotel. His charge is Criminal Sexual Conduct (including force and coercion) with victim 13-15. Did Mexico just so happen to overlook this by accident? Are there any others that can chime in on this?

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