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So now the Police are a protected class of people?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a1cd10aa-c482-3bcf-b8de-edfba0bf54ef/ss_ny-senate-passes-bill-to.html?.tsrc=fauxdal
I’m really curious here. State law cannot be more burdensome than Federal law. So in the 2003 Smith v Doe case, in one of the seven factors why registration is not punitive, but regulatory write this:
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Although the public availability of the information may have a lasting and painful impact on the convicted sex offender, these consequences flow not from the Act’s registration and dissemination provisions, but from the fact of conviction, already a matter of public record. The State makes the facts underlying the offenses and the resulting convictions accessible so members of the public can take the precautions they deem necessary before dealing with the registrant.
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Here, the SCOTUS is stating specifically that only convictions need be disseminated. That is its only requirement to be on the registry – or have your information disseminated. The emphasis is on “… but from the fact of conviction.” cements that only convictions qualify for this scheme.
In California, some registrants can earn a 1203.4 case dismissal. This means your conviction is set aside. But laws in California negate the removal of all penalties and disabilities provision provided in 1203.4, specifically for all registrants to continue to register, which is a penalty. And according to the SCOTUS, penalties can mean either punitive or regulatory.
A case dismissal is no longer public record because you were never convicted. It is a fact that I am no longer convicted, but I am forced to continue to participate in continuance to disseminate my information. In essence, my privacy is no longer public, but I’m forced to register my privacy to still be public. Well, this runs contrary to what the SCOTUS has written and is the pinnacle of the regulatory scheme – the dissemination of your information (or private information/privacy) to be public.
I want to know if a case can be set forth that California is superseding Federal law in forcing those persons who no longer have convictions to continue to participate in the regulatory scheme, as specifically set forth in the 2003 Smith v Doe decision, to which I quoted verbatim.
Also, that California is not following it’s own statute in its own Constitution that its citizens have an inalienable right to pursue and obtain privacy. Remember, the registry is the dissemination of public information. A case dismissal makes your case no longer public. Recall, SCOTUS defined penalties to be punitive or regulatory in nature – which is why you can still be punished for breaking a regulatory punishment. A 1203.4 grants the removal of all penalties and disabilities stemming from the conviction. Yet, California has removed this venue of pursuing and obtaining privacy, which is supposed to be protected by the California Constitution. Registration is a penalty, as defined by the SCOTUS as well as defined by previous case law in California that allowed the removal from registration with 1203.4.
So with this IML, it requires only those who have to register. Welp, since the IML is a federal law, then I really want the federal statute stated in 2003 Smith v Doe upheld that only convictions participate in the regulatory scheme of dissemination of information b/c it is “in fact NOT A CONVICTION” when a case is dismissed.
You can’t have two different laws conflicting when there’s a federal law stemming from the two conflicting laws. According to the 2003 Smith v Doe decision, I should not be part of the regulatory scheme so that I am not part of the IML. California is forcing me to register despite my conviction no longer exists. So who wins? Federal Law or California law? Or am I wasting my time with this notions that the 2003 Smith v Doe decision specifically stated that only convictions are to take part in the regulatory penalty scheme?
I think I mentioned this a few times, but nobody seems to ever have an answer. How hard would it be for someone to gather all the cases of sex crimes and then figure out how many of these crimes were committed by someone on the registry? That should be the only way to figure recidivism rates rather than making up lies and false statistics. It seems pretty cut and dry to me?
And here we go with one of the most blatant conflict of interest stories in the country. A man who runs a polygraph company is on the Colorado Sex Offender Treatment Board. Seriously??
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/05/14/polygrapher-conflict-of-interest/
If the Registry makes it to the Supreme Court, Justice Gorsuch may he a dark horse in the outcome, standing by his own opinion even if it opposes the majority (or public opinion?): http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/13/528273942/middle-schooler-arrested-for-burping-appeals-armed-with-gorsuch-dissent
As I was trying too look up COR exclusions, I found a worksheet from Sacramento Public Law Library.
Link: http://saclaw.org/wp-content/uploads/sbs-certificate-of-rehabilitation.pdf
The headline of the pdf worksheet is this: “Cleaning up Felony Convictions when Expungement is Not Available”
Well, that doesn’t make sense to me. On the face, it means the COR is for those who can’t earn the 1203.4. But if you’re a registrant, the 1203.4 doesn’t really mean much and you need the COR to possibly not register.
I don’t understand why the law isn’t treating registrants equally for the 1203.4 and/or 17b? I point to the firearms people – once they have their charge reduced to a misdemeanor, then they get their rights to bear arms again. Registrants don’t get their rights to obtain privacy at that same level of law?
What’s the point of giving out 1203.4 when it essentially does nothing to change the outlook for a registrant? In California, the govt loves to require licenses to get a job. If you’re trying to apply for any job that involves possessing a license, then they can question you about a charge or arrest. Those types of jobs can bypass asking you about prior convictions. (I read this recently on what an expungement does or doesn’t do.)
Essentially, it seems as though the state is purposely creating a barrier for registrants to have equal opportunities for jobs. I would like to clean my record, but it appears there’s actually no way to do it sooner than via COR and a Pardon – which is a decade’s worth of waiting.
To everyone that has researched our new SCOTUS Justice Gorsuch:
Have you read his dissent in this older Sex Offender case?
http://library.law.virginia.edu/gorsuchproject/u-s-v-nichols/
Shouldn’t the same argument as to why SORNA shouldn’t have been allowed to be retro-active be able to be applied to how SORNA applies to those with Deferred Adjudication???
Based on Gorsuch’s reasoning, it sounds to me like the Legislature should not have been able to delegate the authority to the Attorney General to either make all of SORNA apply retroactively, or to re-define “CONVICTED” to mean pleading no contest or guilty even though the case gets dismissed as not convicted. What am I missing here?
@Mike R, there are lots of good references in this article for use in your filing. Please read it!
I think Neil Gorsuch is just what we needed on SCOTUS.
To quote Gorsuch: “If the separation of powers means anything, it must mean that the prosecutor isn’t allowed to define the crimes he gets to enforce. Yet, that’s precisely the arrangement the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act purports to allow in this case and a great many more like it.”
Law protects Palo Alto H.S. student convicted for sexual assault:
http://www.ktvu.com/news/2-investigates/253927812-story
IDK, so where is this kid supposed to go to school? The State is required to teach him.
California Licenses-Real ID story
http://www.bakersfield.com/ap/state/correction-california-licenses-real-id-story/article_71179b62-16bd-5b7b-bdaf-7290f73de085.html
This real ID requirement has been talked about before a few months ago on this site because everyone will soon be required to get the new ID for all airline travel. Of course the newer passports are already compliant. Everyone getting the new DL or ID card is required to apply at DMV in person. No through the mail or internet applications.
I met with my probation officer yesterday. For some reason, he is either too stupid to remember my situation, or just doesn’t give a damn.
Because of my felony, I can no longer work ANYWHERE in my profession. Mandatory fingerprinting has made my working life a distant memory.
My P.O., in his infinite stupidity, has “suggested” that I start another “occupation”.
This ordeal has left my broke. I am in my 50s, and his suggestion is a “new path”. My “program” therapist keeps repeating the same shit, like “have hope”, and ” it’s only a few more months on probation”. Are they both so ignorant that they think I can’t tell they are only worried how if I off myself , how it would affect their job record.
Isolation is a normal life now.
I am not looking for or expecting a future. I only wish the end to be comforting and peaceful. There is no longer a feeling of hopelessness, but more an acceptance of the enevitable.
I read about death, and If you just accept it, then what does it matter when it comes, because it will come.
Let’s all give Anthony Wiener a warm welcome to our ranks and issue him a membership card to the Registered Sex Offender club. Surely he voted in Congress for Adam Walsh, now he can enjoy the fruits of his labor.
The reauthorization of the AWA is scheduled for the House this coming week. Time to contact your member of Congress and let her/him know you urge her/him to vote no. If I recall correctly, the same sponsor (Sensenbrenner of WI) failed last Congress, but things are a bit more “rabid” now than then.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr1188
–AJ
This is a five year old article, but I’m posting it because I hadn’t heard about this and wasn’t sure if everyone else had known of this gaming ban by many social gaming sites.
2,100 more sex offenders banned from online games:
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/2100-more-sex-offenders-banned-from-online-games/1100-6401753/
Well I welcome all high profile additions to the Price Club. They often have some money and connections that may prove valuable. I guarantee his ex has some extremely powerful friends.
I feel depressed… and sickened… So a friend showed me my Megan info… They finally updated my photo… but no dates or anything.. just my crimes… Not saying they are now over 15 years old… just those lines are blank… I thought it was suppose to change that people can see its been years..
but its not… California
Just imagine that you had to wake up every day for the rest of your life knowing that you would go to prison for three or more years, not for committing a crime, but for any number of things that normal people do every day for some stupid mistake you made almost 15 years ago even after you already lost everything that you owned, your good job, all your vehicles and family photos, while you went to prison for three years and then spent three more years on the most intensive parole supervision that you can imagine while being forced into homelessness because of all the restrictions placed on you at the time. That’s not to mention that you couldn’t have any contact with your own son for five years except over the phone. Well, I don’t have to imagine because this is reality for me.
Imagine waking up every day knowing that you would go to prison for three or more years if you do any of the following for the rest of your life. If you don’t report personal info to the government within five days of your birthday for the rest of your life. If you don’t report within three days if you change your phone #, borrow someone’s car, rent a car, move, stay anywhere for more than 5 days, plan to leave the state for more than 5 days, that you intend to leave the country for any time and report at least 21 days before leaving and giving your complete schedule-where you are going exactly-what plane you are taking-what hotel you will be staying at-what car you may rent- when you’re coming back- just to name a few and then being denied entry into most other countries because your government notifies them that you are a danger to their country even though you’re not. If that isn’t good enough you get a big red stamp on your passport like the Germans did to the Jews during the holocaust.
Then imagine that you can’t attend any of your grandchild’s school play or events, can’t participate in any of his sporting events such as T-ball or anything else that’s in a zone that the government says you are not allowed in. That you are not allowed to visit certain places such as national parks or monuments, state parks and beaches, certain restaurants or any # of other places the government says you can’t go to. Once again this is just to name a few of the things that I WILL go back to prison for if I get caught doing any of these things or a huge list of other things that to lengthy to list here.
All of this because you made one huge mistake nearly 15 years ago and that you were already severely punished for and you just want to move on with your life.
On top of all that imagine having to face every day for the rest of your life knowing that every time you or your family members walk out of your house or apt. that there’s a 50/50 chance that someone will either try to physically attack you or verbally threaten you or you find your vehicles damaged or shit written all over your porch for all your neighbors to see.
Well I don’t have to imagine all that because this is what I face every day I wake up and will continue to for the rest of my life unless I get some help and do something about it myself because no one else will.
This can’t continue. Go look at my post on shackled for life to see how you can help. If we allow the government to take away rights of others without any consequences then no one is safe, and you may be next!!Look, Ca is already trying to take away all your gun rights and have actually created a law that states that everyone with a more than ten round magazine must destroy them or turn them into the government which just made hundreds of thousands of California’s criminals because as of now no one, not one person has turned in any clips and the people I know never will. Their also are taxing the h…. out of us all with gas taxes, cigarette taxes, DMV taxes and still all our schools, roads, and infrastructure is just growing worse daily to where you can’t even drive down the road without hitting huge potholes and our schools so outdated and in disrepair that you wouldn’t house your dog in such places, all while the politicians are stuffing their pockets. Lawmakers are out of control and it’s going to get worse if someone doesn’t take a stand.
someone please give me some info , I live in Kern county Ca and need to find out IF I was to buy a small piece of land in the middle of no where that has nothing on it and with no address on the land , then moved an RV on it and moved in. would a GPS on the land be enough to use as an address on price club day ? GPS and paper work on the land of course , thank you for any feed back , Off Grid is what I am looking at
Oh, how I’d LOVE to see Tony Rackauckas go down in flames…
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-oc-spitzer-rackauckas-20170522-story.html
Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.
The surface has been scratched. It’s everyone’s job to fan the flames before it’s swept under the rug. Thanks for the post C
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/19/new-laws-force-drug-users-into-rehab-against-their-will
Hmm…sound familiar? I’m sure it’s merely “regulation” or “for the kids” or “public safety” or some other platitude. The extreme abuse of power under the guise of civil regulation continues to spread. Hopefully courts start to realize and rein it in before it’s too late–getting there quickly, IMHO.
–AJ
Doesn’t it seem that the sex offender registry is the most effective method for US mass incarceration which is a problem? there are all sorts of SOR laws that are being passed have made it incredibly difficult for registrants to live by in order to change their lives. The more these laws are getting passed, the more difficulties a registrants will have and the recidivism rate will rise only because a registrant is left with nothing and in destitute and no choice but to go back to prison, while the public is conditioned to the myth through media of registrants being the most evil people and that they can never seek help to change their lives around.
So in California you have to ‘have good reasons’ to ask to off probation early. If I say that I need the ability to travel to Europe for my job would the judge say “with IML and Angel Watch they probably wouldn’t let you in anyway so that’s not a good reason”?
I have traveled to Europe several times for my job before this so this need isn’t out of the question.
Does anyone know if when you travel by air domestically, whether the airline or security know you are a RO when you provide your drivers license for ID?
Thank you
Sounds like a few of the thin-blue-liners are missing out on being Price Club members:
http://reason.com/archives/2017/05/25/cops-fight-for-the-right-to-sexually-exp
Tough job, being a vice cop.
–AJ
I saw this amusing article today and it got me thinking:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/whats-hot/11-year-old-claims-classroom-punishment-violates-geneva-convention%E2%80%94and-she%E2%80%99s-right-kind-of/ar-BBBwPtK?li=BBnbcA0
How much of S.O. Registration and the laws against us actually violate the Geneva Convention as well?
It seems to me, especially things like IML would violate it. You aren’t supposed to punish the masses for the actions of a few, and that’s exactly what IML does to the letter. It’s also what residency restrictions do, and restrictions on employment. It’s hard to find what part doesn’t violate it.