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ACSOL Meeting in Berkeley on Saturday, Feb 23

Please mark your calendars for ACSOL’s upcoming meeting in Berkeley:
Saturday, Feb 23
10 a.m.
Finnish Hall (upstairs meeting room)
1970 Chestnut Street
Berkeley

Attendance is limited to individuals required to register, family members, and friends.

Media, law enforcement, parole, etc. are not allowed to attend meetings.

The meetings start at 10 am and last about 2-3 hours. Topics of conversation include information about ACSOL’s advocacy as well as current topics and pending legal action.

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Were there law enforcement and media coverage the last few meetings?

Media, law enforcement, parole, etc. are not allowed to attend meetings. Attendance is limited to individuals required to register, family members, and friends.

Everyone wants to know what is going on with the fight of the international law?

This is a mistake if you ask me, of course no one has asked me and we know what they say about opinions. Lol. To me certain screened law enforcement representatives and screened parole representatives should be allowed in limited circumstances as it may very well educate them and may even turn them to our side. No media though….

Yeah, it is probably best that no law enforcement, parole, or media attend anyways. No telling what would happen and who may not show up because they are there.

One of my favorite things to do is get in the face of a law enforcement criminal or similar psycho and making fun of them mercilessly for their lame, colossal failure that is the Registries. I just really, really enjoy it. They have no defense at all and are just weak. It is like confronting a stupid, helpless child. I love it but I certainly do think they could get in the way of having good, productive meetings.

If you want people to talk freely, not having law enforcement and politicians there is preferred.

Media, law enforcement, parole, etc do not care as long as they receive a paycheck or until one of them is affected.

What is going on with the worst International law which effects so many people in the whole country, not only in CA?

We have unsuccessfully challenged the International Megan’s Law twice in California. We are now looking for other locations where we might be able to find a more rational answer. We are encouraged by the recent decision in Alabama and need to see if it is affirmed by the 11th Circuit.

Janice, yes, the Alabama decision would seem to make quick work of the passport marking. What about the notification of foreign governments through Angel Watch, et al?

@NDIK, et al,

Could this ruling (or an appealed and upheld ruling of this ruling) then be possibly applied to a state DL/ID marking scheme in a state where the scheme (there is that word again) was challenged already but from a different angle perhaps, e.g. say OK, FL, or other marked DL/ID state (or maybe at the same time to create a possible circuit split)? Just thinking for other applications (and applying lessons @AJ has taught us here)

@ TS: The United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Judicial Circuit has jurisdiction over federal cases originating in the states of Alabama, Florida and Georgia.
I believe, therefore, that a decision before the 11th Judicial Court would apply equally to all three of those States (Alabama, Florida and Georgia) regardless of from which State the case originated.

@David

You missed the point. The District decision is binding in that district and could be in the 11 CCoA if upheld there. However, in the meantime, this District decision could possibly be used, much the 6th CCoA, Muniz in PA, and CO District decisions are referenced, in other DL/ID cases unless designated otherwise. It is about gathering as much that is applicable and using it which I believe this case could do at this time even at this level; hence my question. If the 11th CCoA upholds it, then all the more power to the decision and applicability.

@ TS: Thanks for the clarification. I really hope that you are correct so maybe the decisions can be used to bolster a lawsuit against the IML identifiers being placed on US passports.

@AJ

Would you please chime in here for clarity?

@TS: I’m not sure I’m “clarity guy” but I certainly have thoughts. To me, the AL decision absolutely will help in other places. The AL decision used long, repeated SCOTUS decisions regarding First Amendment issues surrounding compelled speech and Free Speech and will be tough for the State to overcome. I personally don’t think they can, given Becerra v. NIFLA re-affirming the rules behind compelled speech–even factual speech. In the OK case, the RC failed to raise the 1st Amendment issue in a timely manner (see: https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-10th-circuit/1881022.html). In the original suit, he only raised claims based on the 8th and… Read more »

Thank you @AJ for the info WRT AL District Court decision. Very helpful.

Oh. I was under the impression the first (substantive) law suit was dismissed due to non-standing. That was a long time ago. That was before the actual revocation of passports, before the Alabama case, before the public rewarding of other countries for turning away travelers due to active notification by the US, before people getting arrested for not giving 21 day notice. Etc etc. Times have changed. The lawsuit is written. One assumes it was, at the time, the best effort by the best attorney on this subject. Why not simply take it out of the moth balls – with… Read more »

I believe that the thinking is that we got slapped-down twice so instead we would just let the adverse consequences continue to build and, hopefully, favorable rulings in registry-related cases accumulate until we have a solid case against them and then re-file when our case is completely solid. Perhaps then we will also have a broader coalition of civil liberties organizations to help. Yes, it’s bitterly disappointing for me personally as I was effectively grounded and my livelihood ended as a result of IML which really started in a more modest form several years before the law finally passed. My… Read more »

@NDIK – The first lawsuit I did not understand “got slapped down”. I understood “you may have a point, but you are hasty, so come back when your complaint is real”. Seems that time has come.

That is what I understand the difference between “not ripe” and “rejected on merits” to be. But maybe it is a good thing in showing how punitive the whole thing is.

Hello;
I am fresh out of incarceration and my Probation officer says that I am disallowed attending an ACSOL meeting because it would violate the conditions of my probation by “hanging out with other sex offenders”. Is this true? We have to forego our first amendment rights to peacefully gather? Or is this just while on Probation? Thanks in advance…

It’s just while you’re on probation. It’s unfair but you are pretty much at their mercy while you’re on paper.

Might I suggest participating in the Phone mtg. if you feel that is beneficial to you.
May I add, welcome to the next chapter of your life. Do your best to leave the past in the past.

Thanks guys. I figured that was the case. But yet we can go to treatment with other SO’s. Doesnt help that I have 10 years supervised release. I can’t believe this nightmare we are all living. And sadly it looks like any releif is going to be long fought/hard won. I feel like I’m living in George Orwells 1984 nightmare and its not far from the truth. The stories on here- heartbreaking and I want so badly to stand up and fight for this ridiculous injustice. I met SO many others- normal people who lost their lives because they clicked… Read more »

Glad you are out of jail. I would tell your probation officer that ACSOL is not about “hanging out” with anyone. I would tell him/her that it is actually a political action group. It is no different than a pro-life, anti-abortion, or any other political group. So I think I’d frame it differently by asking my probation officer if I am allowed to participate in politics or not. Because that’s what it is really about. Then if you really care, you might take it in front of a judge one day and frame it like that. But also, I wouldn’t… Read more »

Political action group? ACSOL is more like an advocacy organization that does many things for those impacted by sex offender laws including political, legal, and humanitarian actions.

Glad you’re out. I got out in November and it gets better. My PO is awful but she usually leaves me alone, shes visited my house once

An interesting way to find freedom if you as a registrant have no anchors to speak of…why not just buy a van, truck w/camper or small RV and travel? To be real stealth at it get a mini van or just have a shell on our truck for our situation is best. I was at the 2019 RTR -Rubber Tramp Rondeview (YouTube it)…. While in NV. a cop told me their 48 hour requirement was applied county by county not state wide. These are things to considered. In AZ. It’s a 10 day requirement which was nice bc I could… Read more »

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