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  1. Mike

    Just checking in to see if anyone has been able to travel abroad recently? I would like the opportunity to travel back to Europe but I am unsure/nervous about getting stopped either here or whichever country I want to visit…any help would be much appreciated.

    Also, I am a recent MBA graduate who is struggling to find work. I haven’t been turned away for my record (that I know of) but I am still finding it hard to even set up an interview with anyone. My state doesn’t allow employers to ask about offenses on applications but waits until after the interview to run the check. I am having such a hard time even getting to the interview stage. If anyone has some useful information or tips, that would be awesome.

    Thanks,
    Mike

  2. E

    Nice opinion smacking down the state’s request to dismiss in NC. Preliminary, but I’ll take any positive next step. I think this is Paul Dubbeling’s Case? He and Janice are my big heroes. 🙂

    https://floridaactioncommittee.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Does-v-Stein-NC-Order.pdf

    • CR

      Thanks for posting that, E. It was a good read.

      The order is neutral in tone, factual and thorough. It means that she is doing her duty as a federal judge by carefully analyzing the state’s motion to dismiss, weighing it against the plaintiffs claims, and denying it based on the law and precedent. It doesn’t imply that the judge is sympathetic to plaintiffs or likely to rule in their favor.

      I did enjoy seeing how the judge demolished 100% of the state’s justifications for dismissal.

      Ex post facto challenges are very difficult to prevail on, and have only recently started to gain some traction. I hope the plaintiff’s lawyers do a great job and present an unassailable case.

    • Tim in WI

      What this ruling from Judge Biggs does is permit NCRSOL complaint to move up the ladder toward SCOTUS. The complaint focused on amendments that increased punishment upon NC registrants via NC legislative assembly. Defendant here is NC AG who gave about 6 arguments why the case should be stopped from proceeding. These doctrine reasons will be found in other challenges but Paul Dubbeling & company did well to define the regime as punishment and not inert regulatory regime as put forth by advocates. Registrants k now the regime works anti- liberty and it is good to know federal judges are compelled by the merits to view it in those terms.

  3. Bo

    https://www.nextgov.com/emerging-tech/2019/07/fbi-wants-tech-track-social-media-criminals-and-terrorists-they-act/158843/

    This is why you dont want a facebook account as a Registered offender. If they get the same from google it will be very dangerous. Especially given all the information they have. Which device you use for login, which ip you have and where on earth you login from. FTR crimes could all but be automated if they had unfettered access.

    • Will Allen

      I have a Facecrook account and probably always will. Just to make certain things more convenient.

      I’m not sure what you are saying about FTR crimes though. How would there be an FTR crime if you weren’t committing one?

      I do find it interesting that they want to look for terrorist activity when they support Registries that are creating terrorists. If they want to see potential terrorist activity, they should look at Registrants. I really am very surprised that more Registered People are not terrorists.

      And what terrorists use Facecrook in the open anyway? If you were doing that, wouldn’t you just encrypt everything? Despite what FBI, etc. lies, they are not able to break that. Not yet anyway.

      • An

        No, If you not doing anything wrong of course they just dont make up an FTR. But FB does track your location, even through ip, which you cant turn off. And if they had access and someone went to a family members house for a holiday they would know and could make an issue of it. Fb is a tool the Marshall’s use in FTR cases, btw.

  4. mike r

    Hey has anyone heard anything about CA getting rid of SNY yards? I talked to someone that works in Vacaville and she said there has been all kinds of assaults and chaos. I was not even sure this really happened.

    • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

      Mike, my understanding is that the CDCR has, indeed, gotten rid of “special needs yards.”

      They’re all being combined into general population, now. Is the outcome of this beyond the state’s ability to forecast? This is a massive invitation to the “regular” inmates to do what they will to “sex offenders.” How could it have been imagined otherwise?

      Apparently, the special needs yards were not very good at actually protecting those with demonstrably “special needs,” i.e. “sex offenders” and “rats,” etc. because of the way the designation was used to also house extremely violent gang members who, arguably, should have been housed in different yards altogether. So, rather than to revise those policies, the State decided to simply do away with special needs yards altogether.

      This is a clear and present danger to those with sex charges in California prisons and one which appears not to have been challenged by anyone. Are we waiting for the bodies to pile up?

      • Eric

        I was in a federal low on the east coast. It was a very large institution, and over time it became clear that they use SO’s as a pacifier in the institution. SO’s by nature are usually intelligent, otherwise law abiding, productive,have a god work ethic and value system. This is in contrast to a huge percentage of the prison population which operates at a very low level of human capacity. I m not being judgmental. This is observations of over 5 years incarcerated. The institutions know this as well. After a while everybody knows pretty much what others are in for so most know who the SO’s are. I and the others were quite aware of how the institution would place SO’s. We had 12 man rooms, and in every room there were at least two SO’s. You would think if safety was a concern they would put all the SO’s together in rooms, but it was the opposite. They sprinkled us around because they know we were a stabilizing force. It did result in violence against a considerable amount of SO’s, but clearly the institution wasn’t concerned with that. The pacifying effect of having stable people mixed in with unstable ones was more of a benefit overall to harmony in the institution. SO’s will use reason, will diffuse conflicts, will use critical thinking and believe it or not, can very much influence the other inmates in a positive manner.

        • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

          Eric, thanks for that probable-but-underappreciated theory for “s.o.” placement in prisons. It certainly rings plausible for me even if, in California state prisons (but nearly thirty years ago), there seemed to be little rhyme or reason for prisoner placement, or much of anything else, for that matter. Sadism was the one common feature I could discern in their policies and a willingness to make life as difficult as possible for “sex offenders,” in particular.

    • mk

      It is true that they are doing away with some sny yards in CA. I think they are doing this by levels. They are calling them non designated yards or 50-50 yards. I believe they started with level 2 yards and rumors now they are working on lv 3, or at least talking about it.
      There are mixed things happening at the facilities they have mixed.
      Folks are *voluntold* to move. IF they dont move they get in trouble for it.

      • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

        By “non-designated yards” do you mean they are mixing levels or that they are just mixing non-special needs with special needs and calling them “50/50 yards?”

    • Laura

      Mike R – It is not only Special Needs yards but the low level private prisons that housed many non-contact, non-violent offenses will be phased out as of September 30th of this year. G. Newsom decided the private prisons will now house “ICE” and all those inmates at present are being farmed out into State Prisons – General Population. Our family member has been at Central Valley McFarland for 3 years and will now be rehoused into one of the overcrowded general population State Prisons….We are praying all goes well but in the beginning of this Prison nightmare journey, Wasco Prison was not only bad from an inmate stand point but the Correctional Officers were no help either. Many of McFarland inmates and there families that I speak with during visiting are very concerned for their loved ones.

  5. ab

    Any updates on amending the tiered registry law for non production cp offenses so the felony is not tier 3? Specifically I’m wondering in regards to what the current version will do with federal offenses because they are in fact different violations of the law than the text in the California penal code.

    • Eric

      Hopefully this will be discussed at the ACSOL meeting August 17 in San Diego.

  6. NoName

    Frequently Asked Questions – Criminal Records – Request Your Own

    How long will it take to receive a response?

    Normal processing time is 2-3 days however; some requests may take up to 2 weeks to process depending on the information contained within the record.

    So why does it take years to determine if a RC is subject to lifetime registration? This lifetime registration severely limits options like housing. A computer could process the criminal records and spit out the lifetime or not lifetime results fairly quickly. It appears the DOJ does not need that much time and could probably process many right now, freeing up valuable resources.

  7. Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

    “China’s Supreme People’s Procuratorate (SPP) announced Friday that a national database of child sex offenders will be established.”

    Think about THAT for a moment. That’s a country with about 1.4 billion people. My guess is that it will still be smaller than the U.S.’ registry, both in absolute and relative terms as is imprisonment (at least that China acknowledges). Or it may become really enormous; who knows?

    If they use it to take down political dissidents then the authorities may find out just how handy the “sex offender” concept really is. Hey, it works here.

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-08/02/c_138279005.htm

  8. Tim in WI

    Will A,
    Encryption is available but……https://www.eff.org. 1st story out of the gate.

    • Will Allen

      @Tim in WI:

      Thanks for the interesting read. Government lies, it’s what they do. Of course they can never be trusted. But encryption works. You do have to be wary of government trying to break the law though.

  9. Will Allen

    I watched a great documentary about Jihadi John last night. Surely the biggest step to his radicalization was how his government started brainlessly harassing him and wouldn’t stop. They created what they got.

    I see the same thing with the Registries. They breed a level of hatred that I couldn’t foresee. Anyone who thinks having worthless harassment lists is a good idea is a moron. But hey, we’ve seen that our big governments will do stupid forever. It is a cancer that has already infected the world. People are paying and that will certainly escalate.

  10. NoName

    Are we banned from voluteering at LA County Animal Care sites? From their website:

    Background Checks

    Those who are successful with the onsite training will then be asked to undergo Live Scan fingerprinting through the Department of Animal Care & Control (DACC). Fingerprinting will be paid for by the department. You will receive additional information on the fingerprinting process at your orientation.

    • R M

      I inquired to and asked my local animal shelter if they allowed those with previous sex crimes to volunteer… got no answer. I will never ask again and never will seek their adoptions.

      • NoName

        @R M

        Thanks for the info.

      • David

        I am in SoCal. I volunteered at my local ASPCA for 10 years. After approximately 7 years there, they put in place a new rule that convicted sex offenders were not allowed to volunteer. Because I had been there so long by that time, they made an exception but required me to meet with their human resources person and to sign a personal behavior agreement. But the issue came up again 3 years later when they were updating all the records and asked everyone to resubmit their volunteer enrollment applications. But, at that point, the organization had new volunteer and HR staff, and I had had enough and didn’t feel like re-subjecting myself to the humiliation of a personal interrogation again, so I chose to resign.

        I still stop by regularly and frequently encounter numerous volunteers and staff who knew me from my volunteering days and frequently asked when I will be coming back.

  11. blake

    Honestly i think that they are pushing ex offenders and their families to far. Enough is enough. I for one is sick of the bullcrap these legislators spew, For the children for the children but not for the sex offenders children. Apparitly they dont matter. its absolutely sicking to watch these people make up these idiotic laws that do absolutly nothing. But dui is ok, beating children is ok no list for that, and plenty of others are ok. ive had enough and im hoping the other 900,000 people on the list and their families are sick of this as well.

  12. Mike_G

    I have a question about the tiered registry in california. If i was convicted of felony of 311.1, but had it expunged where would i be on the tiered system? Thank all of you for your help.

  13. Finally free

    For those of you that haven’t seen the film, I recommend you watch the The 1st 8 minutes of “X-men” . The congressional inquiry seen is life imitating art. You get the idea that the struggle for acceptance by the masses after being identified as “different” is all but impossible as long as there is someone to create fear of those people.

    • Facts should matter

      I, too, felt a detached sense of irony and a silent punch in the gut while watching that scene,

      What do we do about it?

      Watch the 3rd act from “Conquest of the Planet of the Apes.”

      “No” is a complete sentence.

  14. Mav210

    Question. I was put on probation in San Bernardino required to wear a ankle monitor, restriction was I couldn’t leave the State, my PO’s allowed me to freely travel around the state. I moved to LA County and my PO restricted me to the county only. Which is hard because I’m a truck driver, I found a job and house to rent in Riverside county next month… does anyone have experience being on probation in Riverside County with gps? Do they restrict you to the county, or will they allow you to travel? Thank you and God bless.

    • Chris f

      Unfortunatley, I am in Texas so I don’t know the specifics of your area.

      If that happened in Texas, I would get my lawyer to file for an amendment to conditions and request it specified that I was allowed to travel anywhere in the state for business without pre approval. PO’s normally get a wide latitude to stack on additional restrictions but they cant over-ride something specified by a judge.

      Based on you having a history of not abusing that liberty and the business need, I am surprised your PO wont honor your request without involving a judge.

      • Mav210

        went to court to transfer to LA county, went to court three times with my Attorney. The PO said it’s policy that I can’t leave the county, him report to the court said I’m awesome but turn it to the court. The DA didn’t care and was lazy, the judge was arguing saying I agreed to the terms so deal with it get a different job. My terms says I can’t leave the state nothing in there does it mention the county so in SB County I could freely travel throughout the state. Now if I didn’t have the gps I would transfer POs within LA and I could go anywhere. The judge wouldn’t approve my motion for removing gps, even though it specially states “discretionary”. I have no violations, paid all fines, finished treatment, and paid a lot of money for psychological assessment that states I’m low risk. I count felony 288.4(b). Sorry venting, so I figured I’d go to riverside county because there’s an awesome job opportunity and a house I can live peacefully. Thanks Chris F for commenting.

    • steve

      Riverside is not a pleasant place for anyone who has to register according to reports here.

      • Mav210

        @steve that’s what I’m seeing. SMH! This is such a headache, guess ill press on for the remainder of my probation here in LA county, hate to move back to SB county. Lol its hit or miss, LA county Po visit he doesn’t even come into the home, SB County they are very intrusive. LA county I’m restricted to the county. SB County I can leave freely. I know probation is not meant to be heaven, but sure is hard to making a living. Thanks for your response.

        • steve

          I was allowed to leave the county and the country though I had to get a judges approval to leave the country.

  15. AJ

    Continuing the knock-and-talk discussion, I recommend, ‘Get Of My Porch: United States v. Carloss and the
    Escalating Dangers of “Knock and Talks”’ (https://digitalcommons.law.ou.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1322&context=olr). I really liked the observation of footnote 130: “The federal [or state] government can put up a single “No Trespassing” sign on a fence at a nuclear facility or an abandoned munitions facility, and a trespass there upon is a trespass . . . . If governments can use a single sign so
    effectively against citizens, why then can not citizens use a sign equally against governments?” A very good question indeed!

    Mentioned therein is a handy URL: https://fourthamendmentsecurity.com/yard-signs. This site offers a number of signs to (try to) convey the implied consent is revoked. I wonder to their effectiveness, as once again the LEOs who are so sharp-eyed to notice all sorts of things suddenly go blind when there’s a sign telling them to p!ss off.

    • Jason

      Great article on knock and talk.

    • Lake County

      I haven’t read the article yet, but is the key word hear “on a fence”? If it’s a secure fenced area, wouldn’t no trespassing be implied anyway? Climbing over or breaking through a fence is clearly trespassing (especially in a stand your ground state). Wouldn’t a single random No Trespassing sign on a post or tree in an unsecured area be vague? – Just throwing it out there for opinions.

      • AJ

        @Lake County:
        In short…it depends. The courts have ruled there is zero 4th Amdt. protection in what is known as an “open field.” For ease of discussion, “open field” is essentially the non-curtilage area of one’s property.

        In footnote 157, there’s mention of a case where, ‘the Tenth Circuit held that no Fourth Amendment violation had occurred when a deputy sheriff entered private property by opening a closed gate with a “No Trespassing” sign.’ In other words, posting a sign on non-curtilage property–even with a gate (though perhaps a lock would help?) doesn’t do jack sh!t. So going back to the piece you highlighted about “on a fence”, it shouldn’t really matter. Since there’s neither residence nor a “man’s castle” involved, there’s no curtilage, ergo the signs posted by the government should be useless and moot.

    • Joe

      Great Paper.

      Page 497: At oral argument, Florida contended Jardines had conceded in the lower
      courts that the officers had a right to be on his front porch.37

      The Supreme Court disagreed.

      Writing for the majority, Justice Scalia explained that
      using a drug dog was a “search” because the officers obtained information
      in a constitutionally protected area without the homeowner’s explicit or
      implicit consent.38 Justice Scalia characterized Jardines’ alleged concession
      that the State had a right to be on his front porch as “misstat[ing] the
      record” and emphasized that Jardines had “conceded nothing more than the
      unsurprising proposition that the officers could have lawfully approached
      his home to knock on the front door in hopes of speaking with him.”39 “Of
      course,” Justice Scalia wrote, “that is not what they did.”40 Instead, the
      officers introduced “a trained police dog to explore the area around the
      home in hopes of discovering incriminating evidence.”41 According to
      Justice Scalia, “[t]here is no customary invitation to do that.”

      THAT! Law Enforcement at a registrant’s door IS THE EQUIVALENT of a trained police dog to explore the area around the home in hopes of discovering incriminating evidence. There is no other reason for them to be there. None. Unlike in Carloss and Jardines, a compliance check is not the result of suspected criminal activity, not even suspected FTR.

      Example:
      Cop: Hello little girl, is your dad home?
      Little Girl: No, he is staying with my grandma to help her after her surgery.
      Cop: Oh I hope your grandma is all better. That is mighty nice of your dad. How long has he been helping her?
      Little girl: Since right after Christmas. (it is the middle of January)
      —> Arrest warrant issued, nothing else needed.

      Example:
      Cop peeks over the side gate and sees a motorcycle. Checks registry paperwork, no motorcycle reported. Runs plate or searches DMV records by name, motorcycle has been registered to subject since before last birthday / annual reporting.
      —> Arrest warrant issued, nothing else needed.

      These ARE searches. Nothing else. Their sole purpose is to find cause for an arrest. And according to Justice Scalia, “[t]here is no customary invitation to do that.

      Thoughts?

      • CR

        @Joe – “Law Enforcement at a registrant’s door IS THE EQUIVALENT of a trained police dog to explore the area around the home in hopes of discovering incriminating evidence.”

        You quote Scalia explaining just what is legal for a cop to do, then completely ignore that and state that the cop coming to your door is a 4th amendment violation because the cop “IS THE EQUIVALENT of a trained police dog”.

        No, he’s just a cop. And whether you like it or not, he can come knock on your door, hoping to speak with you. The fact that many of them go far beyond that and conduct themselves in ways that might constitute a violation does not mean that the mere fact of the cop coming to your door violates your rights or constitutes a search.

        Example 1: Conversation with little girl. It’s hearsay, and I think it’s a valid lead. The cop needs probable cause to get an arrest warrant issued, and even hearsay can provide that in some circumstances. Still needs to be proven in court.

        Example 2: Peek over fence to see motorcycle. Your yard is considered curtilage, and is protected by the 4th amendment from warrantless search. However, if incriminating items in your curtilage can be seen by the cop from a publicly accessible vantage, then I believe it could form the basis for obtaining a warrant. I’m really not sure in the case of your example. Need more details.

      • AJ

        @Joe:
        As @CR has similarly pointed out, you made an illogical leap. Let’s take a look at the snippet you quoted:
        “Jardines had “conceded nothing more than the unsurprising proposition that the officers could have lawfully approached his home to knock on the front door in hopes of speaking with him.””
        —–
        So if it’s an “unsurprising proposition that an officer can lawfully approach a home, how is it automatically also a 4th Amdt. violation? Though entering the curtilage is a 4th Amdt. issue–entering a protected area of private property–the implied consent doctrine allows anyone and everyone, including LEOs, to enter that area for the purpose of knocking on the door in an attempt to engage with the residents. That is neither trespassing (for private citizens) nor an illegal search (for the Government)–unless one delays, roams, peeks, etc. It’s only when the LEOs behave in a way beyond what society generally accepts and itself performs that there’s a potential illegal search. Just as with the K9, LEOs also cannot aim an IR camera at your home to see inside or look for heat signatures indicative of growing weed. That, too, is a search–even though it could ostensibly be done from the street(!).
        =====

        “Cop peeks over the side gate and sees a motorcycle.”
        —–
        Depending on what exactly caused the LEO to peek over the fence, it *might* be legal, but probably not since it’s a clear-cut entry into the curtilage and behavior beyond societal norms (would GS, JW, UPS, Fuller Brush salesperson, etc. do such? No. Your neighbor might peek over, but not to gain registration info). A suitable fit to your scenario was argued at SCOTUS just last Term. The LEOs lost–8-1, no less (one guess who the lone dissenter was). See: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-motorcycle/u-s-supreme-court-rules-against-police-over-motorcycle-search-idUSKCN1IU1U2 or https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/584/16-1027/

        Finally, keep in mind the 4th protects from UNREASONABLE searches without a warrant. So there are a number of situations where a warrantless search is allowed.

  16. NeedtoKnow

    Here’s U.S. Marshalls presentation on the AWA and some stuff on IML. https://ncjtc-static.fvtc.edu/resources/RS00007641.pdf

    And a link to some resources from the 2019 National Symposium on Sex Offender Management and Accountability. https://ncjtc.fvtc.edu/training/details/TR00008362/TRI0008364/sorna-symposium

    Assume some of you might find some interesting things here.

    • USMS re: New York

      Verrrry interesting slide 44 regarding New York!
      NY continues to send registration paperwork out of state “as long as offenders are willing to return the forms.”

      Whaaaat? That’s USMS’s take on New York’s law.

      Their interpretation on Wisconsin’s draconian “continue registering with us for life even if you move to Mars” has no news for those affected by an underlying offense in Wisconsin.

    • TS

      @Need to know – THANK YOU FOR POSTING THESE! Excellent! THIS IS A MUST READ FOR ALL WHO NEED TO REGISTER!

      People should read on what the USMS does because it explicitly calls out what USMS can do on slide 10 about assisting the US AG in enforcing the law when people here refuse to understand how the USMS works!

      Slide 15 is on SORNA TRAVEL (and will default to 21 days regardless of state law unless state law is greater than)!

      USMS could be helped by the states to locate registrants if the states allowed registrants into shelters, ahem, Virginia and Florida, but what do I know?!

      I like the line on slide 41 (Maine) that the registrant must give notice to the REGISTRY of international travel plans. Like the registry is going to care. I will be talking to my computer then and the registry noted if I am in Maine.

    • Will Allen

      Yes, thanks for these. I expect I’ll find time to read them at some point. I did briefly scan parts of them. The presentations look like a whole bunch of dumbf*ck. Some sensible stuff, mostly biased stupidity though.

      A big problem that I have with the criminal regimes and their things like this is that they say “offender this”, “offender that”. The only “offender” that I see is the criminal regimes and all the offenders that support them. If they can’t stop calling me “offender” or whatever, I guarantee that I’m going to deliver them problems in magnitudes very disproportionate to just some name calling. Just because F those criminals.

      I did look through a bit of the presentation that contained “Registrar Safety” information, advice, procedures, etc. It talked about being in the home with the “offender” and scanning the environment! Yeah, who are the people who allow “Registrars” into their homes?! I’ve never even considered that once in decades. Crazy people.

      All of this would be so much easier on the criminal regimes if all ~1M Registered Families stopped allowing LECs to visit or speak to them. It’s easy and it’s the smart thing to do.

      And speaking of smart and the not-SMART people, perhaps they should change their focus to actually trying to prevent some crimes? Maybe they could do something useful other than give some people big government jobs?

  17. Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

    “‘Nick’ police searches broke the law: Bombshell as judge behind inquiry reveals ‘perversion of justice’ and says officers got search warrants using false evidence but his findings were ignored by police watchdog” I don’t know if many of you have been following the extraordinary implosion of the British Police’s investigation into historical abuses (sex, of course, we don’t give a toss about the really violent and dangerous blokes) but it is a major, major scandal in the U.K. with far-reaching consequences (yeah, we’ll see). This thing has more players than Donald Trump’s second set of books. This is the kind of thing we could use here. I believe that it’s coming.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7298869/Nick-police-searches-broke-law-says-former-high-court-judge.html

  18. Richard

    Wanted to see if there is any feed back on this im in Missouri and was doing some reading if a person takes a plea deal in open court wouldn’t that be a verbal contract then you sign one for your sentencing agreement with the court. Since you took the plea on base’s of the agreement, and then the state changed the stipulations of your agreement with the court could this be an ave. to pursue violation of agreed contract.
    just looking for a way!

  19. S

    Am I the only one diagnosed with and suffering from PTSD from living on the registry? The longer this has gone one (registering for 6 years, court process started 2.5 years beef that), the worse mine seems to get.

    • steve

      I would say yes, for sure suffer from that.

    • Will Allen

      PTSD? F that!

      I’ve been listed on the public hit list for over 2 decades. When I was first listed, the hit list was hardly even a decent hit list. It was pretty much nothing. And the law said that I would be listed for 10 years.

      We all know what the criminal regimes have done since. They have added harassment after harassment, month after month. Luckily for them, they haven’t arrested me for any of their illegal “laws”. Luckily for them, I’ve lived a great life. But they’ve had enough transgressions to trigger a war. I’ve already won that war. They could murder me tomorrow and I will still have won. Yet they continue on. That is how stupid and pathetic they are.

      I’m not going to let the scumbags cause me PTSD. I view them as just a bunch of scumbags who are trying to harm me and my family. They are people who trying to interfere with my life and lower its quality. That’s it. Just some enemies. All through human history, scumbags have been attacking other people in organized, systematic, war-like ways. That is all I view the Registries as. All kinds of people have been attacked for years and years in all kinds of awful ways. That is what scumbags do. I just look at this as a relatively low-grade war and consider myself lucky that I was not a black person in 1950s Amerika or a Jewish person in Nazi Germany. Etc., etc., etc.

      So I’m not going to let the scumbags cause me PTSD. I’m going to live a great life. Better than them and at their expense, as much as possible.

      What I suffer from is extreme anti-government, anti-American radicalization. It is something that I am fighting every day. I am winning so far. But I fear what will happen if circumstances change. But who cares, right? At least all these children are being “saved” by the hit lists.

    • NoName

      One of the greatest fails of the registry is that it just might increase the recidivism rate due to the fact of “nothing to lose.” Studies confirm this. That is rarely talked about here and the surface appearance is that no one has these issues and of course the authorties would never admit to it either. It was reported that further registry restrictions set off one of the most brutal and shocking sex crimes because Joseph Edward Duncan III resented it. Granted, he was already a murderer and something else could have set him off just as violently, but this time evidently the ex post fact enhancements are what did it. He was swiftly convicted with plea deals probably in part to keep this motive quiet.

      • Will Allen

        There is no doubt that Registries increase crime and anti-social behavior. Perhaps they increase $EX crimes as well, I’m not sure.

        I’ve never really read much about Duncan but I do think I need to read his blogs. I read something just today that said that he is blogging from prison. But besides Duncan, I know of two other people who absolutely murdered children in direct retaliation for the Registries. I know their motivation for certain. I’ve discussed it here before.

        And I agree that few people seem to even care about any of that. Few people want to hear anything ugly. Even less want to think about it. Most people who support the Registries just want to keep up their heads up their asses and skip reality. I really feel like the “war on $EX offenders” is very much like the “war on drugs” in that a total failure doesn’t seem to matter at all. No one really seems to care if the war is stupid or that it makes everything much worse. They all just get off on it. Makes them feel a little better about their pathetic lives, I guess.

        I think that mentality makes people hate this country and the people in it. All of Amerika has very recently been talking about all of the hate here. They wonder why it is here or where it comes from! When you have a government (which is nothing more than the people here) that wages war on its own people, what do you expect? Duh.

        • NoName

          The Duncan case made me squirm with revulsion. Horrible. At the same time, the suffering of RC’s children is also very ugly. They too may be bullied or ostracized as a “collateral consequence.” Like you said, no one wants to see it and since the registries do no promote public safety, people want to keep the registry only for selfish reasons, because it makes them feel good, like eating their favorite ice cream.

          Here is an article on the subject.

          New evidence says US sex-offender policies are actually causing more crime

          https://qz.com/869499/new-evidence-says-us-sex-offender-policies-dont-work-and-are-are-actually-causing-more-crime/

        • Will Allen

          @NoName:

          I agree about Duncan. People are flipping insane. But I would bet my life that you could take someone who is not really too dangerous, put that person on the Registries for a decade, and end up with someone just like Duncan. Just takes the right kind of person and right kind of events. I know that the Registries are great at turning people into monsters and radicalizing them. I know it.

          And really, I’ve often wondered if that is one of the main purposes of the Registries – to cause the people who are listed on them to commit crimes. Then once someone like Duncan does, you can imprison him/her for life. I’ve often wondered if many of the really zealous Registry Supporters/Terrorists (RTs) are just fine with sacrificing a “few” more victims in order to get a “$EX offender” put in prison. The really zealous RTs are mostly scumbags, after all.

          About RC’s children, you said, “they too may be bullied or ostracized”. I don’t think “may” is accurate. They will be bullied and ostracized. And worse. I am not a therapist, parole officer, or whomever that would see like thousands of RCs so my data set is somewhat limited, but I’m sure I’ve seen hundreds of cases of bullied and ostracized children. If that would ever NOT happen, I would be very shocked.

          And again, RTs don’t care about that. Those children are an acceptable sacrifice in order to make them feel good. They’ll lie that sacrificing those children protects many more. But I don’t think many people really believe those lies.

          Registries are dumb and don’t work. No one cares. People like the money, big government, and feeling good and sanctimonious.

          People need to ensure that the $EX Offender Registries are worthless every single day. But not just worthless, much worse. There must be retaliation by any means that is legal every day. It’s the proper, moral, American response.

    • TS

      @S

      I am sure others besides you have and are suffering from it. It is valid to feel that if you are diagnosed with it by a professional. It is mentally and emotionally difficult, but have an exam done to ensure what you think is PTS (it is not a disorder contrary to what others think) is not something else or really is what you think it is.

    • New Person

      @ S,

      You were actually diagnosed and suffering from PTSD? I haven’t tried to be examined, but I know I suffer from it. To relate to you, yes, the longer you’re on it the worse it becomes as years pile up and you reflect more and more subconsciously. As others have stated, you could seek help, but you’ve already done that as you’re already diagnosed and suffering from PTSD.

      You have to find things to help you move forward despite being held back. Depending what state you’re in, you have to find out if there’s a possible chance for relief or support the idea of a possible relief. Try to hang out more with family and friends. Try to go to college and pick up a trade or degree.

      The outbreaks of PTSD won’t stop. It’s always there. Until you can find a way to move forward in your mind (which would be moving forward from your situation), it’s something you’ll have to endure until you’re off the registry or even years off from the registry (as you need to clean up your record – which could be therapeutic).

      I don’t have psychology degree nor is my mind strong enough to rise above defiantly. I just put tasks in front of me to distract me. Sure, I’ll end up crying while I’m doing some tasks, but I still try to trudge on. Going to college made me feel as if I was real person again. Going to the gym gives me a task to incorporate into my life. I picked up woodworking from watching a lot of youtube videos. While being distracted isn’t a long term solution, it does keep the bad thoughts away.

      I know this won’t mean much, but I’ll pray for peace in you, S. Venting on here is a good sign. Hopefully, you’ll find some messages that could help.

  20. Greetings fro Thailand!

    Greetings,

    As some of you know, I was approved to recieve a work visa in Thailand. I was fortunate to have people I knew that had some influence on the process. They reviewed my situation, interviewed me and along with letters from others, approved my emploer’s request.
    I can’t begin to express my emotional turn around in just the last month since my arrival. I am myself again. My family, friends, and fellow workers actually threw me a party to welcome me back. I was able to visit my wife’s urn for the 1st time in 5 yrs. I feel like a person again.
    I promised myself that I would make an effort to help change the thinking here about the U.S. registry. I will not forget those who supported me and gave me hope.

    Mu friend is putting this on site as I don’t want amy contact by those wanting ill will, so thx Cris

    I wish all of you out there nothing but peace in your life.

    Sa wat di don bai

    • American Detained in America

      Congrats! Here’s hoping we see more start realizing what a scam the registry is!

    • C

      This is wonderful news – congratulations!!!

  21. mike r

    That is beautiful man. Love to hear great stories like that. Have a blessed life and enjoy yourself my friend. Keep fighting the good fight if you can, but I am sure no one would hold it against you if you just put it all behind you and never thought about it again.

  22. JohnDoeNC

    I understand and respect the fact no one here can offer legal advise. I’m only asking for information regarding resources.

    I am no longer required to register as a SO in the state where I live. I went to court and petitioned for removal and was granted. I am however still on the SOR in the state where I was convicted since they have a lifetime registry. In that state my address is listed in yet another state that I moved to so that information is 13 years old and invalid but my name is correct and I do show up on the national registry albeit with incorrect info.

    I am retired now and want to travel. I would be doing this domestically within the US and would most likely stay in primarily national forest, COE land or possibly some state or private campgrounds. I have done as much internet research as I can in several states I plan to visit and can find almost no information regarding someone of my status as to whether I am required to register or not. I understand I could make a phone call to the various agencies and ask but that would not be legally binding. In fact I doubt they would know the legal precedent. I’ve researched the code and statutes and it’s all but impossible to determine if I’m required to register in some states. Other states like FL it’s pretty clear.

    Does anyone have even an idea how I can determine what states I can pass through and what states I can stay for more than a few days without triggering the obligation to register.

    • Chris f

      The list is on this site under the menu and then under legal.

      It contains rules per state but of course could be outdated in 5 minutes. Best there is though.

      • JohnDoeNC

        @Chris f

        I appreciate you directing me to that resource and your quote “Best there is though” is quite accurate.
        That list does the best it can to provide guidance to RSO’s visiting or moving to another state.

    • AJ

      @JohnDoeNC:
      To my knowledge, most State laws use the more stringent of 1) your current registration status in your resident State or 2) your conviction. Many States simply take your conviction and overlay it onto their laws to see where you fit. I think you’re confusing yourself some with the registered but not registered mess among the States you live and have lived.

      I suggest you consult the Statutes of the States you wish to visit and see what criteria they use for registration (conviction, current reg. status). Next, find if/where your offense falls in their scheme and whether or not you’ve timed out. Finally, check to see what the time frame is for registration.

      I suspect where your registration statuses will come into play is where a State says “the long of X years or the length from your resident/convicting State.” For example, suppose a State you wish to visit says your offense is the greater of 15 years or the length from the State where currently registered. In this case, you’d be subject to the 15 rules, since you’ve competed the term in your residence State. However if the law says greater of 15 years or the length from the State where *convicted*, you’re going to have to use the lifetime length.

      As @Chris f said, consult the doc available here. It’s a good WAG tool and it will help you find the relevant State code.

  23. TS

    To add to the Ring doorbell/LE story we’ve been discussing here:

    Nationwide map showing towns tied into the Ring surveillance network

    https://gizmodo.com/this-map-shows-if-your-towns-police-are-tapped-into-rin-1837079976

    Crazy! 13 in CA by my count

  24. @ NY won’t let go

    Hey NY, I want to be sure you saw this posted a few days ago, US Marshals presentation at a big conference on RSOs.

    “New York: The state sends registration forms to offenders even after the move out of NY to provide the registry with their updated address as long as the offenders are willing to continue to complete and return the forms.”

    See page 44 at https://ncjtc-static.fvtc.edu/resources/RS00007641.pdf

    • NY won’t let go

      They haven’t sent me any form. When I asked them about it I got mixed responses.

      Like when I called them they said they would send one and if I didn’t return it in 7 days they would issue a felony warrant.

      When I emailed them they said they don’t send mail outside of the US. But to check in with them via email and update them that way or face a felony warrant.

      Even outside of US Jurisdiction they somehow have power 🤷‍♂️

      • Tired of this

        Are you in a country that has an extradition treaty with the US? If not, I’d be seriously tempted to tell them to pound sand.

        This might be something you can challenge, though. Hopefully someone can chime in here.

        • NY won’t let go

          The extradition treaty with the US is a very grey area right now as it was signed by the old government.

          And recently the leader here has sided with China in the whole trade war thing.

          So relations with the US aren’t so good right now. 😂

          On top of that I’m married to a local who wouldn’t let me get taken away. My lawyer here said unless I break a law here then my past is no concern to the government. And if it ever becomes a concern there are ways to handle it😉

  25. Mike G

    Can someone tell me what the NATIONAL SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY is, what puts you on it, and how you get off it?
    Thanks.

    • Josh

      @MikeG……here is the best answer I can give you about the national registry. I did a google search and found a link to it. When I clicked on that link to see if I could find myself it directed me back to the link for Michigan’s registry…. As far as I can tell the national registry is made up of links to each states individual registry pages. I could be wrong and have been before so feel free to chime in and correct me.

      • Mike G

        @Josh

        Thanks for your reply. That is also what I thought – that the National registry was just links to the State registries. I also may be wrong, but I thought I read about someone who was relieved of registering from their state, but was still subject to IML because they were still on the National registry. That’s what made me think that it is some kind of separate entity. I hope not. If and when I am ever relieved of registering here in California, I don’t want to still be on any other lists!

        • Josh

          @MikeG…..That is the million dollar question isn’t it? Does IML apply to someone after they are no longer required to register or are removed from a registry? I’ve never heard a definitive answer from anyone on this forum. I have a vested interest in this because my wife & I do want to travel abroad and God willing, I will no longer be on Michigan’s site for much longer…..Anybody know the real answer?

        • Steveo

          @Josh , My understanding is that these federal laws, watch lists, threats and sanctions are all contingent upon a person being required to register in their state of residence. If that burden is removed in their state, then the federal laws governing these issues no longer apply. You would just be deleted out of their databases.

        • SR @ Mike G

          From what I’ve learned here, the national registry is simply a collection of all the state registries. If you get off in your state but are still on another states registry because you were convicted there, lived there at one point and had to register, or took a vacation and registered per the law, then you’ll still remain on the national registry (the person you’re thinking off was probably in one such situation).

          I also recall Janice mentioning here that the current DOJ stance is that regardless of your current registering situation, they reserve the right to still send out notices and do all that crap, but generally choose not to for people who have been relieved from registration. This came about from a few cases of people who are off the registry being screwed with in their international travel. DOJ’s response was basically “oops, our bad”, but with the caveat that they can still do so, so that they don’t suffer any liability if you want to sue them. It’s awesome how they can still keep kicking us in the nuts but don’t have to take any responsibility for their “mistakes”.

  26. Josh

    @SteveO….thanks for the reply and the info! That’s always the way it has appeared to me. I figure if you’re not required to register in your respective state and you haven’t got caught up in second state like Florida or Wisconsin which keep you on regardless, then you should be good to go….

  27. C

    Just venting here…

    I wished I left this country before that damn website went live and life turned upside down. After getting paroled in ’94 I had a great life until the shit hit the fan 10 years later. I was that frog in the warming pot of water on the stove and I still am that stupid frog, except now I have kids, a wife and a business. How bad will it get? Will the water boil over and we find ourselves (insert worse case scenario here) or will it cool and, if you’ll forgive my mixing of metaphors, the pendulum swing the other way?
    Had I known then what I know now, I’d have gotten the F out if this country and gone to Europe. I suppose I still can, but leaving my wife and kids, especially my kids, would be very hard, no, impossible.
    For any of you young bucks who can get out of Dodge, I highly encourage you to do so. If you’re worried no one will take you, get to France, a Schengen country, and join the French Foreign Legion. It’s a real thing and you can start a new life with a new identity right away, then after your 5 year commitment, apply for French citizenship. Any of my veteran brothers (sorry, sisters, they don’t take women) will adapt to the lifestyle quickly and there are many American ex-pats among their ranks.

    That is all.

  28. TXSO4LIFE

    Millard case from the 10th circuit is “soon” to be released, but I am afraid it’s gonna be bad news. Stay tune, I will post the link as soon as I get a hold of the opinion.

    • TS

      @TxSO4Life

      Source of your “soon to be released” knowledge and reason for bad news?

    • AJ

      @TXSO4LIFE:
      The only excitement I get about Millard being decided by the 10th is that it means it’s that much closer to a possible review at SCOTUS. It would certainly be much nicer to be heading to DC with the win in one’s pocket, but if not, not. I don’t think there’s any way either party will let it stop at the 10th and its decision.

  29. troy

    thought i’d share a few words (prob fall in deaf ears or doubt these words are true) never judge people by their past,people learn,people change,people move on…………

  30. Robert Curtis

    A Riverside CHP officer was recently killed by a felon living in the back of his truck. The man had a gun for protection but bc the officer was having the vehicle impounded (instant eviction) the man’s gun would have been discovered and him sent back to prison. The man was helpless and hopeless without ANY options he knew he’d be killed so he chose to fight for his property…both him and the officer paid a high price for that impound. Law enforcement and the homeless that live in their vehicles need other options available. If the officer had just wrote the guy a ticket to appear in court giving him time to sort it out and not impound the man’s truck/home they both would still be alive today. If those living out of their vehicles could have either a vehicle registration forgiveness program or a special registration tag it would allow all parties relief in a hard situation.

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