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  1. Mike

    Just checking in to see if anyone has been able to travel abroad recently? I would like the opportunity to travel back to Europe but I am unsure/nervous about getting stopped either here or whichever country I want to visit…any help would be much appreciated.

    Also, I am a recent MBA graduate who is struggling to find work. I haven’t been turned away for my record (that I know of) but I am still finding it hard to even set up an interview with anyone. My state doesn’t allow employers to ask about offenses on applications but waits until after the interview to run the check. I am having such a hard time even getting to the interview stage. If anyone has some useful information or tips, that would be awesome.


    • Bo

      Google your. Name see what comes up.

    • BA

      This is off the beaten path sorry but has anyone had any luck renting apt. in long beach calif. I will be moving from OC finally in early 2020 as ir will help WITH COR or if I simply petition in 2021. this would be greatly appreciated as I’AM LOST HERE?

  2. E

    Nice opinion smacking down the state’s request to dismiss in NC. Preliminary, but I’ll take any positive next step. I think this is Paul Dubbeling’s Case? He and Janice are my big heroes. 🙂

    • CR

      Thanks for posting that, E. It was a good read.

      The order is neutral in tone, factual and thorough. It means that she is doing her duty as a federal judge by carefully analyzing the state’s motion to dismiss, weighing it against the plaintiffs claims, and denying it based on the law and precedent. It doesn’t imply that the judge is sympathetic to plaintiffs or likely to rule in their favor.

      I did enjoy seeing how the judge demolished 100% of the state’s justifications for dismissal.

      Ex post facto challenges are very difficult to prevail on, and have only recently started to gain some traction. I hope the plaintiff’s lawyers do a great job and present an unassailable case.

    • Tim in WI

      What this ruling from Judge Biggs does is permit NCRSOL complaint to move up the ladder toward SCOTUS. The complaint focused on amendments that increased punishment upon NC registrants via NC legislative assembly. Defendant here is NC AG who gave about 6 arguments why the case should be stopped from proceeding. These doctrine reasons will be found in other challenges but Paul Dubbeling & company did well to define the regime as punishment and not inert regulatory regime as put forth by advocates. Registrants k now the regime works anti- liberty and it is good to know federal judges are compelled by the merits to view it in those terms.

  3. Bo

    This is why you dont want a facebook account as a Registered offender. If they get the same from google it will be very dangerous. Especially given all the information they have. Which device you use for login, which ip you have and where on earth you login from. FTR crimes could all but be automated if they had unfettered access.

    • Will Allen

      I have a Facecrook account and probably always will. Just to make certain things more convenient.

      I’m not sure what you are saying about FTR crimes though. How would there be an FTR crime if you weren’t committing one?

      I do find it interesting that they want to look for terrorist activity when they support Registries that are creating terrorists. If they want to see potential terrorist activity, they should look at Registrants. I really am very surprised that more Registered People are not terrorists.

      And what terrorists use Facecrook in the open anyway? If you were doing that, wouldn’t you just encrypt everything? Despite what FBI, etc. lies, they are not able to break that. Not yet anyway.

      • An

        No, If you not doing anything wrong of course they just dont make up an FTR. But FB does track your location, even through ip, which you cant turn off. And if they had access and someone went to a family members house for a holiday they would know and could make an issue of it. Fb is a tool the Marshall’s use in FTR cases, btw.

  4. mike r

    Hey has anyone heard anything about CA getting rid of SNY yards? I talked to someone that works in Vacaville and she said there has been all kinds of assaults and chaos. I was not even sure this really happened.

    • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

      Mike, my understanding is that the CDCR has, indeed, gotten rid of “special needs yards.”

      They’re all being combined into general population, now. Is the outcome of this beyond the state’s ability to forecast? This is a massive invitation to the “regular” inmates to do what they will to “sex offenders.” How could it have been imagined otherwise?

      Apparently, the special needs yards were not very good at actually protecting those with demonstrably “special needs,” i.e. “sex offenders” and “rats,” etc. because of the way the designation was used to also house extremely violent gang members who, arguably, should have been housed in different yards altogether. So, rather than to revise those policies, the State decided to simply do away with special needs yards altogether.

      This is a clear and present danger to those with sex charges in California prisons and one which appears not to have been challenged by anyone. Are we waiting for the bodies to pile up?

      • Eric

        I was in a federal low on the east coast. It was a very large institution, and over time it became clear that they use SO’s as a pacifier in the institution. SO’s by nature are usually intelligent, otherwise law abiding, productive,have a god work ethic and value system. This is in contrast to a huge percentage of the prison population which operates at a very low level of human capacity. I m not being judgmental. This is observations of over 5 years incarcerated. The institutions know this as well. After a while everybody knows pretty much what others are in for so most know who the SO’s are. I and the others were quite aware of how the institution would place SO’s. We had 12 man rooms, and in every room there were at least two SO’s. You would think if safety was a concern they would put all the SO’s together in rooms, but it was the opposite. They sprinkled us around because they know we were a stabilizing force. It did result in violence against a considerable amount of SO’s, but clearly the institution wasn’t concerned with that. The pacifying effect of having stable people mixed in with unstable ones was more of a benefit overall to harmony in the institution. SO’s will use reason, will diffuse conflicts, will use critical thinking and believe it or not, can very much influence the other inmates in a positive manner.

        • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

          Eric, thanks for that probable-but-underappreciated theory for “s.o.” placement in prisons. It certainly rings plausible for me even if, in California state prisons (but nearly thirty years ago), there seemed to be little rhyme or reason for prisoner placement, or much of anything else, for that matter. Sadism was the one common feature I could discern in their policies and a willingness to make life as difficult as possible for “sex offenders,” in particular.

    • mk

      It is true that they are doing away with some sny yards in CA. I think they are doing this by levels. They are calling them non designated yards or 50-50 yards. I believe they started with level 2 yards and rumors now they are working on lv 3, or at least talking about it.
      There are mixed things happening at the facilities they have mixed.
      Folks are *voluntold* to move. IF they dont move they get in trouble for it.

      • Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

        By “non-designated yards” do you mean they are mixing levels or that they are just mixing non-special needs with special needs and calling them “50/50 yards?”

    • Laura

      Mike R – It is not only Special Needs yards but the low level private prisons that housed many non-contact, non-violent offenses will be phased out as of September 30th of this year. G. Newsom decided the private prisons will now house “ICE” and all those inmates at present are being farmed out into State Prisons – General Population. Our family member has been at Central Valley McFarland for 3 years and will now be rehoused into one of the overcrowded general population State Prisons….We are praying all goes well but in the beginning of this Prison nightmare journey, Wasco Prison was not only bad from an inmate stand point but the Correctional Officers were no help either. Many of McFarland inmates and there families that I speak with during visiting are very concerned for their loved ones.

  5. ab

    Any updates on amending the tiered registry law for non production cp offenses so the felony is not tier 3? Specifically I’m wondering in regards to what the current version will do with federal offenses because they are in fact different violations of the law than the text in the California penal code.

    • Eric

      Hopefully this will be discussed at the ACSOL meeting August 17 in San Diego.

  6. NoName

    Frequently Asked Questions – Criminal Records – Request Your Own

    How long will it take to receive a response?

    Normal processing time is 2-3 days however; some requests may take up to 2 weeks to process depending on the information contained within the record.

    So why does it take years to determine if a RC is subject to lifetime registration? This lifetime registration severely limits options like housing. A computer could process the criminal records and spit out the lifetime or not lifetime results fairly quickly. It appears the DOJ does not need that much time and could probably process many right now, freeing up valuable resources.

  7. Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

    “China’s Supreme People’s Procuratorate (SPP) announced Friday that a national database of child sex offenders will be established.”

    Think about THAT for a moment. That’s a country with about 1.4 billion people. My guess is that it will still be smaller than the U.S.’ registry, both in absolute and relative terms as is imprisonment (at least that China acknowledges). Or it may become really enormous; who knows?

    If they use it to take down political dissidents then the authorities may find out just how handy the “sex offender” concept really is. Hey, it works here.

  8. Tim in WI

    Will A,
    Encryption is available but…… 1st story out of the gate.

    • Will Allen

      @Tim in WI:

      Thanks for the interesting read. Government lies, it’s what they do. Of course they can never be trusted. But encryption works. You do have to be wary of government trying to break the law though.

  9. Will Allen

    I watched a great documentary about Jihadi John last night. Surely the biggest step to his radicalization was how his government started brainlessly harassing him and wouldn’t stop. They created what they got.

    I see the same thing with the Registries. They breed a level of hatred that I couldn’t foresee. Anyone who thinks having worthless harassment lists is a good idea is a moron. But hey, we’ve seen that our big governments will do stupid forever. It is a cancer that has already infected the world. People are paying and that will certainly escalate.

  10. NoName

    Are we banned from voluteering at LA County Animal Care sites? From their website:

    Background Checks

    Those who are successful with the onsite training will then be asked to undergo Live Scan fingerprinting through the Department of Animal Care & Control (DACC). Fingerprinting will be paid for by the department. You will receive additional information on the fingerprinting process at your orientation.

    • R M

      I inquired to and asked my local animal shelter if they allowed those with previous sex crimes to volunteer… got no answer. I will never ask again and never will seek their adoptions.

      • NoName

        @R M

        Thanks for the info.

      • David

        I am in SoCal. I volunteered at my local ASPCA for 10 years. After approximately 7 years there, they put in place a new rule that convicted sex offenders were not allowed to volunteer. Because I had been there so long by that time, they made an exception but required me to meet with their human resources person and to sign a personal behavior agreement. But the issue came up again 3 years later when they were updating all the records and asked everyone to resubmit their volunteer enrollment applications. But, at that point, the organization had new volunteer and HR staff, and I had had enough and didn’t feel like re-subjecting myself to the humiliation of a personal interrogation again, so I chose to resign.

        I still stop by regularly and frequently encounter numerous volunteers and staff who knew me from my volunteering days and frequently asked when I will be coming back.

  11. blake

    Honestly i think that they are pushing ex offenders and their families to far. Enough is enough. I for one is sick of the bullcrap these legislators spew, For the children for the children but not for the sex offenders children. Apparitly they dont matter. its absolutely sicking to watch these people make up these idiotic laws that do absolutly nothing. But dui is ok, beating children is ok no list for that, and plenty of others are ok. ive had enough and im hoping the other 900,000 people on the list and their families are sick of this as well.

  12. Mike_G

    I have a question about the tiered registry in california. If i was convicted of felony of 311.1, but had it expunged where would i be on the tiered system? Thank all of you for your help.

  13. Finally free

    For those of you that haven’t seen the film, I recommend you watch the The 1st 8 minutes of “X-men” . The congressional inquiry seen is life imitating art. You get the idea that the struggle for acceptance by the masses after being identified as “different” is all but impossible as long as there is someone to create fear of those people.

    • Facts should matter

      I, too, felt a detached sense of irony and a silent punch in the gut while watching that scene,

      What do we do about it?

      Watch the 3rd act from “Conquest of the Planet of the Apes.”

      “No” is a complete sentence.

  14. Mav210

    Question. I was put on probation in San Bernardino required to wear a ankle monitor, restriction was I couldn’t leave the State, my PO’s allowed me to freely travel around the state. I moved to LA County and my PO restricted me to the county only. Which is hard because I’m a truck driver, I found a job and house to rent in Riverside county next month… does anyone have experience being on probation in Riverside County with gps? Do they restrict you to the county, or will they allow you to travel? Thank you and God bless.

    • Chris f

      Unfortunatley, I am in Texas so I don’t know the specifics of your area.

      If that happened in Texas, I would get my lawyer to file for an amendment to conditions and request it specified that I was allowed to travel anywhere in the state for business without pre approval. PO’s normally get a wide latitude to stack on additional restrictions but they cant over-ride something specified by a judge.

      Based on you having a history of not abusing that liberty and the business need, I am surprised your PO wont honor your request without involving a judge.

      • Mav210

        went to court to transfer to LA county, went to court three times with my Attorney. The PO said it’s policy that I can’t leave the county, him report to the court said I’m awesome but turn it to the court. The DA didn’t care and was lazy, the judge was arguing saying I agreed to the terms so deal with it get a different job. My terms says I can’t leave the state nothing in there does it mention the county so in SB County I could freely travel throughout the state. Now if I didn’t have the gps I would transfer POs within LA and I could go anywhere. The judge wouldn’t approve my motion for removing gps, even though it specially states “discretionary”. I have no violations, paid all fines, finished treatment, and paid a lot of money for psychological assessment that states I’m low risk. I count felony 288.4(b). Sorry venting, so I figured I’d go to riverside county because there’s an awesome job opportunity and a house I can live peacefully. Thanks Chris F for commenting.

    • steve

      Riverside is not a pleasant place for anyone who has to register according to reports here.

      • Mav210

        @steve that’s what I’m seeing. SMH! This is such a headache, guess ill press on for the remainder of my probation here in LA county, hate to move back to SB county. Lol its hit or miss, LA county Po visit he doesn’t even come into the home, SB County they are very intrusive. LA county I’m restricted to the county. SB County I can leave freely. I know probation is not meant to be heaven, but sure is hard to making a living. Thanks for your response.

        • steve

          I was allowed to leave the county and the country though I had to get a judges approval to leave the country.

  15. AJ

    Continuing the knock-and-talk discussion, I recommend, ‘Get Of My Porch: United States v. Carloss and the
    Escalating Dangers of “Knock and Talks”’ ( I really liked the observation of footnote 130: “The federal [or state] government can put up a single “No Trespassing” sign on a fence at a nuclear facility or an abandoned munitions facility, and a trespass there upon is a trespass . . . . If governments can use a single sign so
    effectively against citizens, why then can not citizens use a sign equally against governments?” A very good question indeed!

    Mentioned therein is a handy URL: This site offers a number of signs to (try to) convey the implied consent is revoked. I wonder to their effectiveness, as once again the LEOs who are so sharp-eyed to notice all sorts of things suddenly go blind when there’s a sign telling them to p!ss off.

    • Jason

      Great article on knock and talk.

    • Lake County

      I haven’t read the article yet, but is the key word hear “on a fence”? If it’s a secure fenced area, wouldn’t no trespassing be implied anyway? Climbing over or breaking through a fence is clearly trespassing (especially in a stand your ground state). Wouldn’t a single random No Trespassing sign on a post or tree in an unsecured area be vague? – Just throwing it out there for opinions.

      • AJ

        @Lake County:
        In short…it depends. The courts have ruled there is zero 4th Amdt. protection in what is known as an “open field.” For ease of discussion, “open field” is essentially the non-curtilage area of one’s property.

        In footnote 157, there’s mention of a case where, ‘the Tenth Circuit held that no Fourth Amendment violation had occurred when a deputy sheriff entered private property by opening a closed gate with a “No Trespassing” sign.’ In other words, posting a sign on non-curtilage property–even with a gate (though perhaps a lock would help?) doesn’t do jack sh!t. So going back to the piece you highlighted about “on a fence”, it shouldn’t really matter. Since there’s neither residence nor a “man’s castle” involved, there’s no curtilage, ergo the signs posted by the government should be useless and moot.

    • Joe

      Great Paper.

      Page 497: At oral argument, Florida contended Jardines had conceded in the lower
      courts that the officers had a right to be on his front porch.37

      The Supreme Court disagreed.

      Writing for the majority, Justice Scalia explained that
      using a drug dog was a “search” because the officers obtained information
      in a constitutionally protected area without the homeowner’s explicit or
      implicit consent.38 Justice Scalia characterized Jardines’ alleged concession
      that the State had a right to be on his front porch as “misstat[ing] the
      record” and emphasized that Jardines had “conceded nothing more than the
      unsurprising proposition that the officers could have lawfully approached
      his home to knock on the front door in hopes of speaking with him.”39 “Of
      course,” Justice Scalia wrote, “that is not what they did.”40 Instead, the
      officers introduced “a trained police dog to explore the area around the
      home in hopes of discovering incriminating evidence.”41 According to
      Justice Scalia, “[t]here is no customary invitation to do that.”

      THAT! Law Enforcement at a registrant’s door IS THE EQUIVALENT of a trained police dog to explore the area around the home in hopes of discovering incriminating evidence. There is no other reason for them to be there. None. Unlike in Carloss and Jardines, a compliance check is not the result of suspected criminal activity, not even suspected FTR.

      Cop: Hello little girl, is your dad home?
      Little Girl: No, he is staying with my grandma to help her after her surgery.
      Cop: Oh I hope your grandma is all better. That is mighty nice of your dad. How long has he been helping her?
      Little girl: Since right after Christmas. (it is the middle of January)
      —> Arrest warrant issued, nothing else needed.

      Cop peeks over the side gate and sees a motorcycle. Checks registry paperwork, no motorcycle reported. Runs plate or searches DMV records by name, motorcycle has been registered to subject since before last birthday / annual reporting.
      —> Arrest warrant issued, nothing else needed.

      These ARE searches. Nothing else. Their sole purpose is to find cause for an arrest. And according to Justice Scalia, “[t]here is no customary invitation to do that.


      • CR

        @Joe – “Law Enforcement at a registrant’s door IS THE EQUIVALENT of a trained police dog to explore the area around the home in hopes of discovering incriminating evidence.”

        You quote Scalia explaining just what is legal for a cop to do, then completely ignore that and state that the cop coming to your door is a 4th amendment violation because the cop “IS THE EQUIVALENT of a trained police dog”.

        No, he’s just a cop. And whether you like it or not, he can come knock on your door, hoping to speak with you. The fact that many of them go far beyond that and conduct themselves in ways that might constitute a violation does not mean that the mere fact of the cop coming to your door violates your rights or constitutes a search.

        Example 1: Conversation with little girl. It’s hearsay, and I think it’s a valid lead. The cop needs probable cause to get an arrest warrant issued, and even hearsay can provide that in some circumstances. Still needs to be proven in court.

        Example 2: Peek over fence to see motorcycle. Your yard is considered curtilage, and is protected by the 4th amendment from warrantless search. However, if incriminating items in your curtilage can be seen by the cop from a publicly accessible vantage, then I believe it could form the basis for obtaining a warrant. I’m really not sure in the case of your example. Need more details.

      • AJ

        As @CR has similarly pointed out, you made an illogical leap. Let’s take a look at the snippet you quoted:
        “Jardines had “conceded nothing more than the unsurprising proposition that the officers could have lawfully approached his home to knock on the front door in hopes of speaking with him.””
        So if it’s an “unsurprising proposition that an officer can lawfully approach a home, how is it automatically also a 4th Amdt. violation? Though entering the curtilage is a 4th Amdt. issue–entering a protected area of private property–the implied consent doctrine allows anyone and everyone, including LEOs, to enter that area for the purpose of knocking on the door in an attempt to engage with the residents. That is neither trespassing (for private citizens) nor an illegal search (for the Government)–unless one delays, roams, peeks, etc. It’s only when the LEOs behave in a way beyond what society generally accepts and itself performs that there’s a potential illegal search. Just as with the K9, LEOs also cannot aim an IR camera at your home to see inside or look for heat signatures indicative of growing weed. That, too, is a search–even though it could ostensibly be done from the street(!).

        “Cop peeks over the side gate and sees a motorcycle.”
        Depending on what exactly caused the LEO to peek over the fence, it *might* be legal, but probably not since it’s a clear-cut entry into the curtilage and behavior beyond societal norms (would GS, JW, UPS, Fuller Brush salesperson, etc. do such? No. Your neighbor might peek over, but not to gain registration info). A suitable fit to your scenario was argued at SCOTUS just last Term. The LEOs lost–8-1, no less (one guess who the lone dissenter was). See: or

        Finally, keep in mind the 4th protects from UNREASONABLE searches without a warrant. So there are a number of situations where a warrantless search is allowed.

  16. NeedtoKnow

    Here’s U.S. Marshalls presentation on the AWA and some stuff on IML.

    And a link to some resources from the 2019 National Symposium on Sex Offender Management and Accountability.

    Assume some of you might find some interesting things here.

    • USMS re: New York

      Verrrry interesting slide 44 regarding New York!
      NY continues to send registration paperwork out of state “as long as offenders are willing to return the forms.”

      Whaaaat? That’s USMS’s take on New York’s law.

      Their interpretation on Wisconsin’s draconian “continue registering with us for life even if you move to Mars” has no news for those affected by an underlying offense in Wisconsin.

    • TS


      People should read on what the USMS does because it explicitly calls out what USMS can do on slide 10 about assisting the US AG in enforcing the law when people here refuse to understand how the USMS works!

      Slide 15 is on SORNA TRAVEL (and will default to 21 days regardless of state law unless state law is greater than)!

      USMS could be helped by the states to locate registrants if the states allowed registrants into shelters, ahem, Virginia and Florida, but what do I know?!

      I like the line on slide 41 (Maine) that the registrant must give notice to the REGISTRY of international travel plans. Like the registry is going to care. I will be talking to my computer then and the registry noted if I am in Maine.

    • Will Allen

      Yes, thanks for these. I expect I’ll find time to read them at some point. I did briefly scan parts of them. The presentations look like a whole bunch of dumbf*ck. Some sensible stuff, mostly biased stupidity though.

      A big problem that I have with the criminal regimes and their things like this is that they say “offender this”, “offender that”. The only “offender” that I see is the criminal regimes and all the offenders that support them. If they can’t stop calling me “offender” or whatever, I guarantee that I’m going to deliver them problems in magnitudes very disproportionate to just some name calling. Just because F those criminals.

      I did look through a bit of the presentation that contained “Registrar Safety” information, advice, procedures, etc. It talked about being in the home with the “offender” and scanning the environment! Yeah, who are the people who allow “Registrars” into their homes?! I’ve never even considered that once in decades. Crazy people.

      All of this would be so much easier on the criminal regimes if all ~1M Registered Families stopped allowing LECs to visit or speak to them. It’s easy and it’s the smart thing to do.

      And speaking of smart and the not-SMART people, perhaps they should change their focus to actually trying to prevent some crimes? Maybe they could do something useful other than give some people big government jobs?

  17. Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

    “‘Nick’ police searches broke the law: Bombshell as judge behind inquiry reveals ‘perversion of justice’ and says officers got search warrants using false evidence but his findings were ignored by police watchdog” I don’t know if many of you have been following the extraordinary implosion of the British Police’s investigation into historical abuses (sex, of course, we don’t give a toss about the really violent and dangerous blokes) but it is a major, major scandal in the U.K. with far-reaching consequences (yeah, we’ll see). This thing has more players than Donald Trump’s second set of books. This is the kind of thing we could use here. I believe that it’s coming.

  18. Richard

    Wanted to see if there is any feed back on this im in Missouri and was doing some reading if a person takes a plea deal in open court wouldn’t that be a verbal contract then you sign one for your sentencing agreement with the court. Since you took the plea on base’s of the agreement, and then the state changed the stipulations of your agreement with the court could this be an ave. to pursue violation of agreed contract.
    just looking for a way!

  19. S

    Am I the only one diagnosed with and suffering from PTSD from living on the registry? The longer this has gone one (registering for 6 years, court process started 2.5 years beef that), the worse mine seems to get.

    • steve

      I would say yes, for sure suffer from that.

    • Will Allen

      PTSD? F that!

      I’ve been listed on the public hit list for over 2 decades. When I was first listed, the hit list was hardly even a decent hit list. It was pretty much nothing. And the law said that I would be listed for 10 years.

      We all know what the criminal regimes have done since. They have added harassment after harassment, month after month. Luckily for them, they haven’t arrested me for any of their illegal “laws”. Luckily for them, I’ve lived a great life. But they’ve had enough transgressions to trigger a war. I’ve already won that war. They could murder me tomorrow and I will still have won. Yet they continue on. That is how stupid and pathetic they are.

      I’m not going to let the scumbags cause me PTSD. I view them as just a bunch of scumbags who are trying to harm me and my family. They are people who trying to interfere with my life and lower its quality. That’s it. Just some enemies. All through human history, scumbags have been attacking other people in organized, systematic, war-like ways. That is all I view the Registries as. All kinds of people have been attacked for years and years in all kinds of awful ways. That is what scumbags do. I just look at this as a relatively low-grade war and consider myself lucky that I was not a black person in 1950s Amerika or a Jewish person in Nazi Germany. Etc., etc., etc.

      So I’m not going to let the scumbags cause me PTSD. I’m going to live a great life. Better than them and at their expense, as much as possible.

      What I suffer from is extreme anti-government, anti-American radicalization. It is something that I am fighting every day. I am winning so far. But I fear what will happen if circumstances change. But who cares, right? At least all these children are being “saved” by the hit lists.

    • NoName

      One of the greatest fails of the registry is that it just might increase the recidivism rate due to the fact of “nothing to lose.” Studies confirm this. That is rarely talked about here and the surface appearance is that no one has these issues and of course the authorties would never admit to it either. It was reported that further registry restrictions set off one of the most brutal and shocking sex crimes because Joseph Edward Duncan III resented it. Granted, he was already a murderer and something else could have set him off just as violently, but this time evidently the ex post fact enhancements are what did it. He was swiftly convicted with plea deals probably in part to keep this motive quiet.

      • Will Allen

        There is no doubt that Registries increase crime and anti-social behavior. Perhaps they increase $EX crimes as well, I’m not sure.

        I’ve never really read much about Duncan but I do think I need to read his blogs. I read something just today that said that he is blogging from prison. But besides Duncan, I know of two other people who absolutely murdered children in direct retaliation for the Registries. I know their motivation for certain. I’ve discussed it here before.

        And I agree that few people seem to even care about any of that. Few people want to hear anything ugly. Even less want to think about it. Most people who support the Registries just want to keep up their heads up their asses and skip reality. I really feel like the “war on $EX offenders” is very much like the “war on drugs” in that a total failure doesn’t seem to matter at all. No one really seems to care if the war is stupid or that it makes everything much worse. They all just get off on it. Makes them feel a little better about their pathetic lives, I guess.

        I think that mentality makes people hate this country and the people in it. All of Amerika has very recently been talking about all of the hate here. They wonder why it is here or where it comes from! When you have a government (which is nothing more than the people here) that wages war on its own people, what do you expect? Duh.

        • NoName

          The Duncan case made me squirm with revulsion. Horrible. At the same time, the suffering of RC’s children is also very ugly. They too may be bullied or ostracized as a “collateral consequence.” Like you said, no one wants to see it and since the registries do no promote public safety, people want to keep the registry only for selfish reasons, because it makes them feel good, like eating their favorite ice cream.

          Here is an article on the subject.

          New evidence says US sex-offender policies are actually causing more crime

        • Will Allen


          I agree about Duncan. People are flipping insane. But I would bet my life that you could take someone who is not really too dangerous, put that person on the Registries for a decade, and end up with someone just like Duncan. Just takes the right kind of person and right kind of events. I know that the Registries are great at turning people into monsters and radicalizing them. I know it.

          And really, I’ve often wondered if that is one of the main purposes of the Registries – to cause the people who are listed on them to commit crimes. Then once someone like Duncan does, you can imprison him/her for life. I’ve often wondered if many of the really zealous Registry Supporters/Terrorists (RTs) are just fine with sacrificing a “few” more victims in order to get a “$EX offender” put in prison. The really zealous RTs are mostly scumbags, after all.

          About RC’s children, you said, “they too may be bullied or ostracized”. I don’t think “may” is accurate. They will be bullied and ostracized. And worse. I am not a therapist, parole officer, or whomever that would see like thousands of RCs so my data set is somewhat limited, but I’m sure I’ve seen hundreds of cases of bullied and ostracized children. If that would ever NOT happen, I would be very shocked.

          And again, RTs don’t care about that. Those children are an acceptable sacrifice in order to make them feel good. They’ll lie that sacrificing those children protects many more. But I don’t think many people really believe those lies.

          Registries are dumb and don’t work. No one cares. People like the money, big government, and feeling good and sanctimonious.

          People need to ensure that the $EX Offender Registries are worthless every single day. But not just worthless, much worse. There must be retaliation by any means that is legal every day. It’s the proper, moral, American response.

        • NoName

          The really zealous RTs are stalkers, and stalking is considered a violent crime.

    • TS


      I am sure others besides you have and are suffering from it. It is valid to feel that if you are diagnosed with it by a professional. It is mentally and emotionally difficult, but have an exam done to ensure what you think is PTS (it is not a disorder contrary to what others think) is not something else or really is what you think it is.

    • New Person

      @ S,

      You were actually diagnosed and suffering from PTSD? I haven’t tried to be examined, but I know I suffer from it. To relate to you, yes, the longer you’re on it the worse it becomes as years pile up and you reflect more and more subconsciously. As others have stated, you could seek help, but you’ve already done that as you’re already diagnosed and suffering from PTSD.

      You have to find things to help you move forward despite being held back. Depending what state you’re in, you have to find out if there’s a possible chance for relief or support the idea of a possible relief. Try to hang out more with family and friends. Try to go to college and pick up a trade or degree.

      The outbreaks of PTSD won’t stop. It’s always there. Until you can find a way to move forward in your mind (which would be moving forward from your situation), it’s something you’ll have to endure until you’re off the registry or even years off from the registry (as you need to clean up your record – which could be therapeutic).

      I don’t have psychology degree nor is my mind strong enough to rise above defiantly. I just put tasks in front of me to distract me. Sure, I’ll end up crying while I’m doing some tasks, but I still try to trudge on. Going to college made me feel as if I was real person again. Going to the gym gives me a task to incorporate into my life. I picked up woodworking from watching a lot of youtube videos. While being distracted isn’t a long term solution, it does keep the bad thoughts away.

      I know this won’t mean much, but I’ll pray for peace in you, S. Venting on here is a good sign. Hopefully, you’ll find some messages that could help.

  20. Greetings fro Thailand!


    As some of you know, I was approved to recieve a work visa in Thailand. I was fortunate to have people I knew that had some influence on the process. They reviewed my situation, interviewed me and along with letters from others, approved my emploer’s request.
    I can’t begin to express my emotional turn around in just the last month since my arrival. I am myself again. My family, friends, and fellow workers actually threw me a party to welcome me back. I was able to visit my wife’s urn for the 1st time in 5 yrs. I feel like a person again.
    I promised myself that I would make an effort to help change the thinking here about the U.S. registry. I will not forget those who supported me and gave me hope.

    Mu friend is putting this on site as I don’t want amy contact by those wanting ill will, so thx Cris

    I wish all of you out there nothing but peace in your life.

    Sa wat di don bai

    • American Detained in America

      Congrats! Here’s hoping we see more start realizing what a scam the registry is!

    • C

      This is wonderful news – congratulations!!!

    • ReadyToFight

      What is the argument that this all is not Punitive? I don’t see facts. Is it the whole Price Club Membership thingy? Or is it the Frightening and High 3.8% recidivism or whatever. Coz what I DO see, is not being eligible for a goddamn JOB. Not being Eligible to rent a fucking apartment. Not being Allowed entrance into most countries. Not being allowed to own a firearm to protect my self and my family from people looking to kill me because I am on a Statewide Doxxing List under threat of imprisonment. The list is long and my patience is short.
      Thank you California, I see the real you, and it’s swarming with homeless and hopeless.

      • kind of living

        @ReadyToFight , your comment was refreshing because it lacked all the sugar coating BS like their is no real problem , so many saying well hell we should just go to collage and walk on hot coals and everything will be groovy lol (awesome for those folks) but not all of us are cut out of the same cardboard box , not only do we have to deal with the registry out here we also have to deal with all the other BS coming our way as they steal more rights for more feel good laws like the red flag crap . and many more coming our way, Stay safe and good energy in the air to you and yours

  21. mike r

    That is beautiful man. Love to hear great stories like that. Have a blessed life and enjoy yourself my friend. Keep fighting the good fight if you can, but I am sure no one would hold it against you if you just put it all behind you and never thought about it again.

  22. JohnDoeNC

    I understand and respect the fact no one here can offer legal advise. I’m only asking for information regarding resources.

    I am no longer required to register as a SO in the state where I live. I went to court and petitioned for removal and was granted. I am however still on the SOR in the state where I was convicted since they have a lifetime registry. In that state my address is listed in yet another state that I moved to so that information is 13 years old and invalid but my name is correct and I do show up on the national registry albeit with incorrect info.

    I am retired now and want to travel. I would be doing this domestically within the US and would most likely stay in primarily national forest, COE land or possibly some state or private campgrounds. I have done as much internet research as I can in several states I plan to visit and can find almost no information regarding someone of my status as to whether I am required to register or not. I understand I could make a phone call to the various agencies and ask but that would not be legally binding. In fact I doubt they would know the legal precedent. I’ve researched the code and statutes and it’s all but impossible to determine if I’m required to register in some states. Other states like FL it’s pretty clear.

    Does anyone have even an idea how I can determine what states I can pass through and what states I can stay for more than a few days without triggering the obligation to register.

    • Chris f

      The list is on this site under the menu and then under legal.

      It contains rules per state but of course could be outdated in 5 minutes. Best there is though.

      • JohnDoeNC

        @Chris f

        I appreciate you directing me to that resource and your quote “Best there is though” is quite accurate.
        That list does the best it can to provide guidance to RSO’s visiting or moving to another state.

    • AJ

      To my knowledge, most State laws use the more stringent of 1) your current registration status in your resident State or 2) your conviction. Many States simply take your conviction and overlay it onto their laws to see where you fit. I think you’re confusing yourself some with the registered but not registered mess among the States you live and have lived.

      I suggest you consult the Statutes of the States you wish to visit and see what criteria they use for registration (conviction, current reg. status). Next, find if/where your offense falls in their scheme and whether or not you’ve timed out. Finally, check to see what the time frame is for registration.

      I suspect where your registration statuses will come into play is where a State says “the long of X years or the length from your resident/convicting State.” For example, suppose a State you wish to visit says your offense is the greater of 15 years or the length from the State where currently registered. In this case, you’d be subject to the 15 rules, since you’ve competed the term in your residence State. However if the law says greater of 15 years or the length from the State where *convicted*, you’re going to have to use the lifetime length.

      As @Chris f said, consult the doc available here. It’s a good WAG tool and it will help you find the relevant State code.

  23. TS

    To add to the Ring doorbell/LE story we’ve been discussing here:

    Nationwide map showing towns tied into the Ring surveillance network

    Crazy! 13 in CA by my count

  24. @ NY won’t let go

    Hey NY, I want to be sure you saw this posted a few days ago, US Marshals presentation at a big conference on RSOs.

    “New York: The state sends registration forms to offenders even after the move out of NY to provide the registry with their updated address as long as the offenders are willing to continue to complete and return the forms.”

    See page 44 at

    • NY won’t let go

      They haven’t sent me any form. When I asked them about it I got mixed responses.

      Like when I called them they said they would send one and if I didn’t return it in 7 days they would issue a felony warrant.

      When I emailed them they said they don’t send mail outside of the US. But to check in with them via email and update them that way or face a felony warrant.

      Even outside of US Jurisdiction they somehow have power 🤷‍♂️

      • Tired of this

        Are you in a country that has an extradition treaty with the US? If not, I’d be seriously tempted to tell them to pound sand.

        This might be something you can challenge, though. Hopefully someone can chime in here.

        • NY won’t let go

          The extradition treaty with the US is a very grey area right now as it was signed by the old government.

          And recently the leader here has sided with China in the whole trade war thing.

          So relations with the US aren’t so good right now. 😂

          On top of that I’m married to a local who wouldn’t let me get taken away. My lawyer here said unless I break a law here then my past is no concern to the government. And if it ever becomes a concern there are ways to handle it😉

  25. Mike G

    Can someone tell me what the NATIONAL SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY is, what puts you on it, and how you get off it?

    • Josh

      @MikeG……here is the best answer I can give you about the national registry. I did a google search and found a link to it. When I clicked on that link to see if I could find myself it directed me back to the link for Michigan’s registry…. As far as I can tell the national registry is made up of links to each states individual registry pages. I could be wrong and have been before so feel free to chime in and correct me.

      • Mike G


        Thanks for your reply. That is also what I thought – that the National registry was just links to the State registries. I also may be wrong, but I thought I read about someone who was relieved of registering from their state, but was still subject to IML because they were still on the National registry. That’s what made me think that it is some kind of separate entity. I hope not. If and when I am ever relieved of registering here in California, I don’t want to still be on any other lists!

        • Josh

          @MikeG…..That is the million dollar question isn’t it? Does IML apply to someone after they are no longer required to register or are removed from a registry? I’ve never heard a definitive answer from anyone on this forum. I have a vested interest in this because my wife & I do want to travel abroad and God willing, I will no longer be on Michigan’s site for much longer…..Anybody know the real answer?

        • Steveo

          @Josh , My understanding is that these federal laws, watch lists, threats and sanctions are all contingent upon a person being required to register in their state of residence. If that burden is removed in their state, then the federal laws governing these issues no longer apply. You would just be deleted out of their databases.

        • SR @ Mike G

          From what I’ve learned here, the national registry is simply a collection of all the state registries. If you get off in your state but are still on another states registry because you were convicted there, lived there at one point and had to register, or took a vacation and registered per the law, then you’ll still remain on the national registry (the person you’re thinking off was probably in one such situation).

          I also recall Janice mentioning here that the current DOJ stance is that regardless of your current registering situation, they reserve the right to still send out notices and do all that crap, but generally choose not to for people who have been relieved from registration. This came about from a few cases of people who are off the registry being screwed with in their international travel. DOJ’s response was basically “oops, our bad”, but with the caveat that they can still do so, so that they don’t suffer any liability if you want to sue them. It’s awesome how they can still keep kicking us in the nuts but don’t have to take any responsibility for their “mistakes”.

        • Dram

          Crossing a state border brings you into the federal jurisdiction of the AWA.

  26. Josh

    @SteveO….thanks for the reply and the info! That’s always the way it has appeared to me. I figure if you’re not required to register in your respective state and you haven’t got caught up in second state like Florida or Wisconsin which keep you on regardless, then you should be good to go….

  27. C

    Just venting here…

    I wished I left this country before that damn website went live and life turned upside down. After getting paroled in ’94 I had a great life until the shit hit the fan 10 years later. I was that frog in the warming pot of water on the stove and I still am that stupid frog, except now I have kids, a wife and a business. How bad will it get? Will the water boil over and we find ourselves (insert worse case scenario here) or will it cool and, if you’ll forgive my mixing of metaphors, the pendulum swing the other way?
    Had I known then what I know now, I’d have gotten the F out if this country and gone to Europe. I suppose I still can, but leaving my wife and kids, especially my kids, would be very hard, no, impossible.
    For any of you young bucks who can get out of Dodge, I highly encourage you to do so. If you’re worried no one will take you, get to France, a Schengen country, and join the French Foreign Legion. It’s a real thing and you can start a new life with a new identity right away, then after your 5 year commitment, apply for French citizenship. Any of my veteran brothers (sorry, sisters, they don’t take women) will adapt to the lifestyle quickly and there are many American ex-pats among their ranks.

    That is all.

    • john

      from what ive seen the french foriegn legion will not accept anyone with this on their background. seemed they changed it, it was an option i was looking into a couple years ago, if im wrong please correct me


    Millard case from the 10th circuit is “soon” to be released, but I am afraid it’s gonna be bad news. Stay tune, I will post the link as soon as I get a hold of the opinion.

    • TS


      Source of your “soon to be released” knowledge and reason for bad news?

    • AJ

      The only excitement I get about Millard being decided by the 10th is that it means it’s that much closer to a possible review at SCOTUS. It would certainly be much nicer to be heading to DC with the win in one’s pocket, but if not, not. I don’t think there’s any way either party will let it stop at the 10th and its decision.

  29. troy

    thought i’d share a few words (prob fall in deaf ears or doubt these words are true) never judge people by their past,people learn,people change,people move on…………

  30. Robert Curtis

    A Riverside CHP officer was recently killed by a felon living in the back of his truck. The man had a gun for protection but bc the officer was having the vehicle impounded (instant eviction) the man’s gun would have been discovered and him sent back to prison. The man was helpless and hopeless without ANY options he knew he’d be killed so he chose to fight for his property…both him and the officer paid a high price for that impound. Law enforcement and the homeless that live in their vehicles need other options available. If the officer had just wrote the guy a ticket to appear in court giving him time to sort it out and not impound the man’s truck/home they both would still be alive today. If those living out of their vehicles could have either a vehicle registration forgiveness program or a special registration tag it would allow all parties relief in a hard situation.

    • LS

      Robert- You are EXACTLY right! And both WOULD be alive today. Thank you for posting it here.

    • R M

      And this is related to sex offenses how?

    • wonderin

      @ Robert
      Too many assumptions, I believe. “The man was helpless and hopeless without ANY options he knew he’d be killed so he chose to fight for his property”.

      “I’m so sorry for the officer,” Luther’s wife, McKenzie Luther, told the Southern California News Group. “I know his family is going through the same thing I am.”

      She said her husband called her after he was stopped Monday afternoon. He told her he was pulled over for driving alone in the carpool lane and had an expired license and no registration. He said his truck was being impounded and asked her to give him a ride.

      She arrived at the scene during the shootout and a bullet pierced the windshield of the car she was driving in with her children.

      She said he was depressed and suggested he might have wanted officers to kill him.

      • wonderin

        “He told her he was pulled over for driving alone in the carpool lane and had an expired license and no registration.”( And a loaded weapon in the car )
        Curtis wrote – ” The man was helpless and hopeless without ANY options”
        Not even the option of not driving illegally in the car pool lane?

    • kind of living

      Good idea about the forgiveness program , its not like the homeless need to be further kicked down , to bad anything violent had to come out of something that could have just been over looked , and even offered help giving this guy new found hope

  31. Don’t tread on me

    1 day until Judge Cleland’s deadline for the Michigan Legislature to change the registry law and make it constitutional. Tomorrow marks the end of the 90 days. We have hardly heard a peep out of the state or the Michigan ACLU. Anyone heard any updates?

  32. Guy


    Been hitting the refresh button all day lol

    We’ll see if another extension is granted but the registry could be ordered void for pre 2011 registrants until it’s fixed.

    Which sounds great in the short term but long term could end up not getting some of the actual changes we want due to a knee jerk reaction to hurry up and put something through due to publicity

  33. G4Change

    This is a progressive move by the powers that be in SF. I wonder if their new outlook might include using the term “Registered Citizen” instead of “Sex Offender”. Of course, Fox News probably thinks it’s a joke, but, then again, consider the source.

    “San Francisco board rebrands ‘convicted felon’ as ‘justice-involved person,’ sanitizes other crime lingo”

    • steve

      I hope this applies to ALL:

      “We don’t want people to be forever labeled for the worst things that they have done. We want them ultimately to become contributing citizens, and referring to them as felons is like a scarlet letter that they can never get away from.”

      • kind of living

        glad to see someone still feeling it for what it is . hope things are going as good as they can for you and your’s Steve

    • Mike G

      So when we are in San Francisco we can be JIPs instead of RCs.

  34. Anonymous
    And this is why N.Y. registered sec offenders shouldn’t drive Uber. Oh. . he wasn’t a registered sex offender?? Effn joke except for the fact that the child must be traumatized. Maybe this Uber driver will be a NY registered sex offender once criminal case is resolved but highly doubt it. Guess judge won’t consider him dangerous enough.

    • NotEasilyOffended

      I wonder what the rest of the story is.

      Why was a minor riding in an Uber alone? That is against their policy. Did they cancel the parents account too for this violation?

      Why did she need to say she needed to use the bathroom, show me a Long Island teenager that doesn’t have a cell phone.

      Was he unaware canceling the route, etc would be tracked?

      Of course, he is assumed guilty.

  35. E

    Well if this don’t make you throw up just a little…
    “A man was accused of a serious assault, denied it outright, and — on the basis of the accusation alone; an accusation described as outlandish by the dissenting judge — is now behind bars.” Good reporting by NR.

  36. AJ

    It appears MS has enacted a new expungement law that even RCs can utilize (; see Section 34 on PDF-page 68). There are a few sex-related offenses that are barred, and a FTR bars expunction, but otherwise there doesn’t appear–at least on paper–any ban of sex offenses.

    Of course the RC needs to show the court why it’s a good idea. I don’t foresee many judges giving out expunctions to RCs. In fact with the MS SC already having ruled a couple years back that an expungement relieves a RC of registration requirements, I don’t see any judges considering relief until the registration term has ended (meaning lifers will never get expungement).

    I’m stunned MS is being so “progressive.” It must be some sort of clerical error.

    • kind of living

      Its crazy but zero error they will never give power back once taken that control a number of citizen’s , leaving the door open to expand once again , plus the over powering LE unions will push for more as soon as they see a threat of loosing any power over people , It always takes a huge fight to loosen the grip of the police and their unions so they can feed the largest prison complex in the world . look at the cannabis issue in CA they are using the local cops to bird dog for the FEDS to still come in and make bust stealing cash walking all over their 4th , freezing bank accounts after they walk right past legal paper work posted by state law and start ripping plants up that are legal in the state . and at the same time gathering intel on so called illegal grow opps and raiding them , paper law means nothing if LE refuse to let go of old law they are longer on the (state books lol) . so level 3 RC’s are stuck for life unless the DOJ will force LE to stop giving intel to the fed’s so the state’s can open a door for the RC’s if they see fit , it would of course be great that the fed’s would stop their push ! but how would anyone run for office with out intrusive RC laws ? lol

  37. Dram

    I have to register my annual in 5 days (CA).
    When I called in to make an appointment The woman officer asked me if anything had changed I said no. Then began to grill me on the conditions. For employment I always register as self employed, even though I collect social security retirement. She asks if I’m retired, not thinking I say yes she then grills me on when like shes on the scent of something. Ive never registered as retired but have collected retirement benefits for 4 years. Should I be worried? Social Security Retirement states right on their page you can still work. But what do I do If I end up with an idiot when I register?

    • James I

      Dear Dram:

      Hold your nerve….volunteer as little as possible. Smile, you have done nothing wrong…it is perfectly permissible to collect your SSN…and work, or not. If LEA leans on you amazingly hard on this, you can say that you consider yourself employable and so self employed even if nothing came your way this year. (I think, she wants assurances, (or a confession), that you are not a life guard, a crossing guard or some such even on a public service basis.

      I tend to be a talker…this is my failing, I know it….so I say as little as possible….(but they had my SSN number wrong this year….it was like their hair was on fire….I held my nerve and simply noted that 2 numbers were inverted…I refused to sign it with the error, insisting that I did not type this, it is not my error…fortunately I had my actual SS card on me to prove my point.

      None of this is easy.

      Take a deep breath…you will be fine.

      Best Wishes, James I

      • Dram

        Wasn’t sure how to thank both of you for your reply, I appreciate the response so thank you.

    • Will Allen

      F law enforcement. That needs to be the number 1 thought all the time, front and center, of every Registered Family.

      The mistake you made was to speak to the person. Simply make the appointment and end the conversation. If a law enforcement criminal wants to talk to you just tell them that you are sorry but that you don’t have discussions with people who support Registries. Tell them that you will give all information in writing and that’s it. There is no reason to speak to them and every time you do, you are putting yourself in danger. You are also giving the impression that the Registries are legitimate and acceptable.

      I wouldn’t worry about that Social Security thing. I wouldn’t tell them if or when I started collecting it either. If you are working, just say you are working. It takes very little to be self-employed or to work for your own business. You can work 1 hour a year and cover that. Don’t even have to make any money. Could lose money for that matter. And I’d never discuss any of that with the law enforcement criminals.

      • Dram

        Thanks for your responses, just wondering whether now that police officers can have their disciplinary records viewable might be some leverage to fore a bit more professional behavior to occur.
        I have something else that I would like some information on regarding the (CA) tiers coming up in a year.
        My crime was 32 years ago, been registering for 23 years now. My address has never been exposed to the internet. I think with the tier change I will be tier three with address exposure. Is ACLU or anyone developing any thought about the increased threat that address exposure entails, my landlord accepts me because their address isn’t exposed.

        How does an individual think towards the paperwork that could bring about an expost facto challenge or whatever to attempt an injunction from that occurring. I imagine this would be a class action kind of thing. Anyone know who to contact at the ACLU? or whoever?

        • Will Allen

          Regarding your first paragraph, I don’t think there are any law enforcement people who are concerned about if they are rude, fair, or professional to Registered People or not. I think few people in the general public care either. Maybe if the law enforcement criminals (LECs) shoot someone. Maybe.

          I think you can force the LECs to be professional. They WILL take advantage of you if you allow it. They WILL operate outside of the law, 100% for certain. I think the key is to not engage them and don’t allow them to engage you. I don’t answer their questions. I put things in writing and that’s it. I’m not their friend. You don’t have to be rude to them but you have to set boundaries.

          I’m sorry that your situation might be changing because of the CA tier nonsense. But I do think ACSOL are the best/correct people to work with on anything related to that. Much more so than the ACLU. You are in the right place. ACSOL are the experts.

          Lastly, the “increased threat” is a feature. That is the intent of the Registries.

    • AJ

      “Then began to grill me on the conditions.”
      I think I would’ve said, “I’ll answer all that on the form when I come in. See you in five days. Goodbye. ” At the renewal, I would write whatever I’ve previously written unless it has changed. The less said–if ANYthing–to the Thin Blue Liars, the better. They will ALWAYS try to trip you up, whether or not you’re an RC.

  38. kind of living

    I can see not much changing on here , same old comment stompers , same people outing RC’s that’s not in the prescribed mind set , please feel free to scoff and laugh at me as you roast in the bliss of control over an RC site , where only RC’s are against the apologist that are RC them self , some of us did our time 35 years or more ago , and should have long since been off this unconstitutional registration , if your going to out people at least have the nuts to stop calling your self constitutional anything , half sound like cops , and many sound like boot lickers , were did everyone go that use to brain storm how to take this registry down ? rather than everything is ok just as long as life time don’t include you !

    • General Bean

      What are you on about?

      • kind of living

        @General Bean you can see what I am Going On About , I am here because like everyone should be sick of this registry , I we may never beat this plainly unconstitutional law and if we are just going to be waiting for this very slow and broken system it just seem that between 1 million RC’s should be able to put something together so many of us could maybe put something together so we have housing , home grown food , home grown power , and a nice fat profit for investors .but no one cares about us that want to live some kind of life where RC’s can take much more control of our surrounding’s and create a safer place for RC’s to live and work . but it seems to be more important to blindly follow rather than think out side of the box , not just the registry . there are shakers and movers here why are we just working on the law end of this , and not the living end ? we have homeless RC’s right here in CA as well as the rest of the nation , we have builders , I may self grew up a farmer growing huge gardens raised cows , others on here have as well , no telling what power we have over out many problems of this unconstitutional registry, is there something wrong with looking other for ways to survive and generate money for our cause and try to get folks to invest in our self’s and not be part of the prison industry to do it ?

    • AJ

      …and same old negativity about nothing changing, but doing nothing personally??? Go ahead, show us some brainstorming.

      • kind of living

        (what ever) I remember some of your Brainstorming that was very good , myself I just tried to look for ways to survive this rat hole, yet I do know a lot about communes not just living on one but how safe they truly was , all these so called bright folks that have much to offer sitting on their ass’s while most have labor to offer as well as know how in growing crops to feed loads of RC’s , but the labor cant do it all , I am sure if I was blindly confortable I would strike out at people that just what some form of a life for their family . instead we have tons of people all they can say is a commune will not work and all the off the top of their reason why they wont work , no matter how much money can be generated from a commune ran by people that want to “live” as they fight these unconstitutional REGISTRY . it was not me going around trying to bully people for what they thought , of course AJ I was not talking about you at all . only thing I was saying is What The Hell is going on? Nothing ! I can see a commune is out but I would rather be working on one rather than not getting anything done , went from an RC Rights Site to The Good Ole Boy Club!

  39. Abroad for good

    I have friends in Cambodia, and was sent an article recently.
    It seems Cambodian police arrested a retired Anerican military captain for raping at least two children, a boy and girl, as well as holding others captive. He served time in a prison there, and was then deported. A California appeals court vacated his conviction and wiped his record clean, even though he was suspected in other crimes in the U.S.
    His U.S. appeals case was in 2018.
    I don’t understand a system where a convicted pedophile and serial predator can be cleared, yet people in U.S. suffer a lifetime for minor offenses.
    I am so happy to be free from the U.S. “justice” system. I think this story proves that providing justice is not the main focus. The main focus is political and financial.

    Take care,

  40. JohnDoeUtah

    Had an informal administrative hearing before an Administrative Law Judge and the Utah Division of Finance, Office of Debt Collection; regarding unpaid registry fees. I never ever paid them. Due to the new tax law, I actually got a state refund this year, and they took it as part of an administrative offset to pay this debt. Sadly, this is a required step before I can file a complaint in district court.

    My arguments:
    1) The fee operates as a fine, and is ex post facto. While the state contends it is a fee for “services rendered” by maintaining the registry, it is actually a compulsory payment made under threat of felony prosecution if say I refused said service which is tied to my conviction. AG stated that the registry is not punishment and cited Fremedeer and Shurftleff. I objected that a 20-year old ruling based on a law that has been amended 20 times has no bearing on the current law, especially when registry fees did not exist when Fremedeer was decided.

    2) Utah Tax Code only allows over payments to go towards “judgments obtained through due process of law.” The State has never gotten a judgment with regard to this debt, and it is past the statue of limitations. The AG argued that there is no statue of limitations for administrative offsets. However, I found a case that this particular AG had lost arguing the same point, a which point he back peddled, stating that the ruling I cited did not apply outside that case and was not precedence. I shot back that the Court in that case has appellate jurisdiction over administrative hearings and so it applied via stare decisis.

    3) I also argued against the Administrative Code allowing ex parte liens against personal property without the same rights to notice afforded in non-government debts.

    4) I also argued that the Administrative Code violates due process because that lien upon which you have no notice, constitutes a judgment the moment it is created per statue, for and only for the purposes of garnishing tax returns. This extrajudicial exparte judgement is never recorded, not signed by a judge, nor is notice given to the property holder until after the property is seized per the Administrative Code.

    I don’t expect to win at this stage, and am gearing up for a Complaint before the District Court. Because they cannot sue me due to the statue of limitations, this is the only way they can get the money at this point through their unconstitutional Administrative Code outside the legal process.

    • Chris f

      Thanks for the update to your case JohnDoeUtah!

      Was this done pro se?

      Your arguments sound pretty solid to me. I wish more people like you with the drive and intelligence to challenge the system could find ways to do so. It is rarely done well by lawyers since they have no skin in the game. On the contrary, most lawyers will screw up a case so they can brag to friends and collegues how they screwed over a sex offender.

    • AJ

      Thanks for the update. I had a bit of a smile when I read your initial post about this, and this update gave me another one. It sounds as though you have them slowed, if not mired, in their own case laws and statutes. Hopefully!

      Please keep the updates coming as and when you can.

      • JohnDoeUtah

        Yes, we will see how it goes. I’m dusting off some cobwebs here. It’s been nearly 10-years since I filed Doe v. Shurtleff. While that case ended up going against me, that was only after it was found unconstitutional, and they were forced to change the law. So there were two successes: 1) In Utah internet identifiers are private information under GRAMA; and, 2) They dropped the password requirement.

        This one has been in the works for a long time. I requested a hearing in 2013, which they ignored, in violation of state law. Even the AG could not argue against that one, just said that that meeting was not the proper venue for the matter. Basically my strategy was to not pay it, and tweak my W-4 enough that I never got a tax return. They dropped the ball and never sued me in civil court, and now they can’t. They even handed it off to third-party debt collectors. When it hit my credit report, I disputed it asking for debt validation (because I never signed any agreement to pay there was none) and they all came off my credit report each time.

        • Will Allen

          Your story is hilarious. It is great that you are causing that criminal regime so much trouble. And you are surely costing them literally magnitudes more resources than they will ever collect. They’ll have to collect that fee/theft from 10,000 Registered People in order to cover what you have cost them.

          But they don’t care. They are stupid and they’ll waste any amount of money they feel like. It’s not like the criminals will ever be held accountable for it. They’ll waste $100K to collect $100. They might be able to establish some precedent that will allow them to more easily collect from many, many other people in all their future years of theft. So it might “pay off” eventually. Maybe. But I hope you and others are working in many other ways to cost them as much resources as possible in general. We all need to work to keep big government broke and dysfunctional. It is our money, true, but big government cannot have unencumbered use. Everyone must suffer.

          I find it so funny that these criminal regimes supposedly think that having “internet identifiers” is useful. Do they not realize that “law” only works as well as the Registries?! So funny. All of it only affects and harasses people who intend to follow the laws. Doesn’t affect anyone else in the slightest.

          I’m sure they accidentally “catch” people who don’t report an “internet identifier” and then prosecute them. Who thinks that is useful or smart? Is that an intelligent use of time, money, goodwill, and other resources? I cannot fathom that it is. Just makes them look stupid.

          And do they think people will just accept being arrested for an “internet identifier” and not retaliate? Or even being forced to give “identifiers” to the criminal regime in the first place? I guess some people might accept that. Maybe. I feel like enough would retaliate to the point that it wouldn’t be close to worth it. But the criminal regimes don’t care of course. Stupid is their specialty and business.

          Even the password thing is dumb. It is trivial to give a criminal regime an e-mail address (or whatever) and its password and then keep them from ever being able to use it. Trivial. So why have the law? So they can “watch” only the dumb people and people who are interested in following laws? And while they are focused on that uselessness, the people who really want to do something, just will. But it must all make them feel pretty good, I guess. Their feelings and fantasies are what matter most.

        • CA COOL RC

          I think you should write up on how to do this..
          Maybe all RC in UTAH should follow something like this. This should get their attention that the Registry is NOT worth it.

          Basically my strategy was to not pay it, and tweak my W-4 enough that I never got a tax return. They dropped the ball and never sued me in civil court, and now they can’t. They even handed it off to third-party debt collectors. When it hit my credit report, I disputed it asking for debt validation (because I never signed any agreement to pay there was none) and they all came off my credit report each time.

  41. Steveo

    Per the Hearn v. Castilleja hearing today in Austin at the federal courthouse.

    The judge has requested additional filings from DPS. DPS will have 7 days to file and then the lawyer representing registered citizens will have 10 days to respond. Heard he did did a fantastic job… This is one we should expect to win.

    More info to come. Texas specifically stated a condition an expiration of a requirement to register after their probation had ended for over 700 litigants back in the early 1990s. The state is going to be forced to keep its word.

    • CR

      Thanks for the update, @Steveo. I’m still hoping a win will apply to me. I went back and reread the judges ruling in my case. The state put a requirement to register in there, but the judge crossed it out, along with a couple of other things that the state wanted. So I wasn’t required to register, period, until the state changed the law in ’97.

  42. NoName

    From CCAP Resources for those who have to pay for registration:

    Case Name: Timbs v. Indiana (2019) ___U.S.___ [139 S.Ct. 682] , USSup , Case #: 17-1091
    Opinion Date: 2/20/2019 , DAR #: 1337
    Case Holding:
    The Eighth Amendment’s excessive fines clause is an “incorporated” protection applicable to the States through the Fourteenth Amendment’s due process clause. Timbs pleaded guilty in Indiana state court to drug charges. Indiana sought civil forfeiture of his vehicle, valued at $42,000, which was over four times the maximum fine for his offense. The trial court found the forfeiture would be grossly disproportionate to the gravity of the offense and therefore unconstitutional under the Eighth Amendment’s excessive fines clause. The Court of Appeals affirmed. The Indiana Supreme Court reversed, holding the clause constrains only federal action and is inapplicable to state impositions. The U.S. Supreme Court granted certiorari. Held: Vacated and remanded. A protection afforded by the Bill of Rights is incorporated if it is fundamental to our scheme of ordered liberty or deeply rooted in our Nation’s history and tradition. Incorporated guarantees are enforced against the States under the Fourteenth Amendment. Under the Eighth Amendment, “excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed.” The protection against excessive fines has been a constant shield throughout Anglo-American history. Excessive fines can be used to chill freedom of speech or can be employed “in a measure out of accord with the penal goals of retribution and deterrence, for fines are a source of revenue, while other forms of punishment cost a state money.” The court concluded the protection is both fundamental and deeply rooted in this Nation’s history. The State argued that the clause does not apply to civil in rem forfeiture proceedings. However, in Austin v. United States (1993) 509 U. S. 602, the court held that civil in rem forfeiture proceedings fall within the clause’s protection when they are at least partially punitive, as here. Moreover, in considering whether the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates a protection contained in the Bill of Rights, the court only asks whether the right guaranteed—not each and every particular application of that right—is fundamental or deeply rooted. [Editor’s Note: Justice Ginsburg delivered the opinion of the Court, joined by Chief Justice Roberts, and Justices Breyer, Alito, Sotomayor, Kagan, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh. Justice Gorsuch also filed a concurring opinion. Justice Thomas filed an opinion concurring in the judgment.]

    The full opinion is available on the court’s website here:

  43. JohnDoeUtah

    Does anyone have a complied list of all the recent cases (state and federal) that found the registry as punishment? Sorry, but I’m bogged down in my Masters of Engineering coursework and could use a helpful hint for future efforts.

  44. AJ

    I’m absolutely in your corner in the tax fight against the regime. The details and the squirming and lying on the other side make me laugh. Also, a big hats off to you for being the Doe in Doe v. Shurtleff. As a complete side question, what made you pick a legal team out of Atlanta for that case?

  45. Steveo

    @CR, You’re welcome, and I’m no lawyer, but it sounds like you’ve got a suit yourself. The state is reneging on the conditions of your plea agreement. That is the equivalent of violating a contract. That is very similar to this case.

  46. Notorious D.I.K. / Kennerly

    “Drone Reportedly Follows Boys Walking Home From School”

    Okay, this is utterly new and unique, right?

    • Will Allen

      This is a clear signal that there should be laws that Registered People may not own or operate drones. How could the criminal regimes miss such great opportunities to lie that they are “protecting children”?

      I do think it is damn funny that something like this is news these days. Amerika is full of poor, pathetic people who are afraid of life and yet are too lazy to actually supervise or educate their children. They lose their minds that someone might have a photograph of their child yet they can’t be bothered to actually do anything that requires effort or sacrifice. They’d rather have Registries instead.

      Today, fuck all people who support Registries. Make sure the Registries are completely worthless and worse. But also do something about the immoral scumbags who support them.

    • R M

      This is nothing more than a scare tactic article.

      In the article it says “Tuesday, Escalon police announced that the drone appears to have belonged to a boy and some friends who were looking at the construction at Dent Elementary. The boy’s mother says her son saw the two boys waving at the drone, so he flew it down close to them.”

  47. E

    FAC posted this NPR interview with Ms Auckerman. She’s a good spokesperson but I wish she and anyone else in such a position would use one phrase again and again: “These are people who have FINISHED serving their sentences. Registration is beyond punishment.” It’s still unclear I bet to 99% of people that being on the registry doesn’t equal being on supervision. Most people think that. Few of them can differentiate between “police” registering people and “parole/probation” supervising people.

    • Will Allen

      I agree with you completely. I always tell everyone that the vast majority of the people who are listed are not on probation or parole and completed their legal sentences years, and often DECADES, ago.

      I also can’t count the number of times that someone has told me that a person is Registered because that was part of their agreement to be released from prison. It is part of their “terms of release” and they MUST abide by them. I’ve heard that hundreds of times.

      I think most people who live in America are MASSIVELY confused about the Registries. We know they don’t understand the illegality of them. I also think a lot of people think that Registries actually do something useful. Just complete and thorough confusion. Anti-factual, anti-reality, and anti-American.

  48. AJ

    Another week of zero (published) progress at the 10th with Rankin (checked at 8:01PM PT, 8/31/19). IDK the definition of “soon” for the person who claimed a result was coming soon and to our disliking, but to me more than two weeks isn’t “soon.”

    It’s pretty sad when sluggish SCOTUS outpaces a CCoA on decisions.

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