Im so happy right now. Awesome job judge cleland. im sure michigan is fuming lol.
chris
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February 14, 2020 10:53 am
So everyone on the list can live and work where ever when this goes in affect
TS
Guest
February 14, 2020 10:57 am
Good news for all involved. I also like the fact that they use the word classes for people impacted. I believe that would set a precedent for future class related legal actions?
SR
Guest
February 14, 2020 10:59 am
“The intent is to satisfy a demand that people have that they kind feel like they want to know whether a sex offender is living in their midst.”
Whaaaaaaa? Really? Peoples lives are forever destroyed through legal means so that “kinda wanting to know” is satisfied?
matthew
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February 14, 2020 11:00 am
Times r’a changin
chris
Guest
February 14, 2020 11:20 am
Should rule on the 50 yearly fee too and make them refund it all
brandon
Guest
February 14, 2020 11:26 am
so does this mean if we were ordered to serve life on the registry after 2011 we will be on for life?
Jack
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February 14, 2020 11:32 am
Ok the ruling said the 2011 amendments we not separable, meaning the law can’t be enforced without those in place. Is the guy from the news thinking the legislature’s going to amend the law somehow?
joe
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February 14, 2020 11:33 am
Valentines Day, Victory! How Sweet it is. YES!
Jack
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February 14, 2020 11:49 am
“Michigan law makes clear that SORA cannot be enforced given such glaring omissions. See In re Apportionment of State Legislature-1982, 321 N.W.2d 565, 582 (Mich. 1982)”
It’s over. It’s finally, fucking over. In one state for now at least. Hopefully the Supreme Court agrees with this decision.
wonderin
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February 14, 2020 11:54 am
Notice how the female newscaster refers to anyone listed as “predators” regardless of the truth. Obviously, an endeavor to undermine the decision of the judge. Fake news reigns supreme in America. How sad!
Mike
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February 14, 2020 12:15 pm
Well if I read it right, and it took a few times. If they don’t rewrite a new law in 60 days this takes affect and all of Sora will be invalid because there is no revival clause in it. I might be not be reading it correct. If someone else has a different view let me know.
Guy
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February 14, 2020 1:36 pm
So correct me if I’m wrong.
Is there still 60 days of waiting at least until the legislature creates a new law?
Example. I’m a tier 2 convicted back in 2007 (pre 2011 obviously so I’m part of the class action) I can’t go to my Son’s basketball game at the high school tonight as of today due to this ruling correct?
Bobby S.
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February 14, 2020 2:35 pm
I just watched another report on the ruling on Channel 7 at 5pm, everything sounds great, but what I am still confused about is, the 2011 Amendment, is that still in play as far a tier 3 goes and registering for life.
As you all know I am pre-2006 and 2011, conviction 6-19-92, so once the 60 days is up does that mean I am done with the registry? or just done with the 2006 amendments, and the 2011 amendment tiers and life time registration is still in play. I am going to read the ruling again to try and rap my head around it.
I would really appreciate some clarification though if you all don’t mind. Thank you in advance.
Dave
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February 14, 2020 3:28 pm
Official statement from MI ACLU. They will also be holding a Facebook live session commenting on registry requirements.
The attempt to sever or divorce ” registration ” from ” notification ” has an important purpose.
The deep state surveillance saints want to retain certain other uses in the “civil designation” with respect to the surveillance infrastructure already in place. Some of these bits are being used to spy on certain other groups too. Domestic electronic gov surveillance has long been a hot button among the people. Recent FISA manipulation examples now wrong it can go. These invalid reasons for surveillance is readily apparent in the unnecessary collateral collection of citizen data. Given the ” registration regime” paved the way for such electronic disillusion of the people’s trust in gov; it only makes sense to point to the powers and advantages advance by use of the machine property visa vi ” two party use. ” Inherent in registration is indenture, no matter how emotion overruns fact. Judge Cleland makes emphasis on the vague interpretation of the ” federal model” in where state sovereign is supposed to hold against federal financial incentives that overrun them. This is how emotional “Named acts” are not rational, and thereby implicating underlying intent.
Jack
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February 14, 2020 9:10 pm
On the ACLU’s website it said the judge wrote without the 2011 amendments registrants have no idea what to do basically. Does this apply to pre 2011 offenses only? Can Janice or anybody answer that question for me please? For the record the judge said later that some parts of the law were still enforceable for post 2011 offenders….
TnT
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February 15, 2020 4:08 am
25 years over due … I Hope this is the freedom that 45,000 deserve and I hope they have too pay anyone that they forced this barbaric punishment upon with out a judge or jury applying it . I also hope this ruling will effect the rest of this country in a positive manner , Expost facto punishment will not be tolerated . After being on this registry for 25 plus years now it is as monumental as witnessing the Berlin Wall falling !
Anonymous
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February 15, 2020 7:02 am
ACLU Facebook? Is this a cruel joke? I am off paper & yet kicked off/prohibited from Facebook by Facebook.
Tired Old Man
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February 15, 2020 8:37 am
Lets rational this with facts for a moment then reply with if you still actually think you will be off the hit list.
1). attorney fighting for the Doe’s states there should be a list
2). Judge finds parts of law unconstitutional
3). after several years unconstitutional law still in effect (how is an unconstitutional still allowed to be enforced)
4). after several years judge rules again unconstitutional and gives the state 60 days after the ruling that the parts of the law are unconstitutional to correct the law but still the unconstitutional law is still in place! (only against SO’s is an unconstitutional law allowed to stand! it should have been immediately struck down since it is unconstitutional!!!! Constition means nothing anymore and this case proves it!!!!)
Jerry
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February 15, 2020 8:47 am
My question is, Does this only apply to Michigan RC’s? Because I’m in Texas, I did understand the whole article but I was just wondering if this is only for Michigan
Brandon
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February 15, 2020 9:42 am
So after reading this again the way i see it is the state can keep sora the way it is written but must let everyone pre dating the 2011 amendments off of sora and the un constitutional provisions will be removed for every one… or they can re-write the law so it will pass constitutional muster which would be to bring back the 25 year limit which would mean most of the pre 2011 registrants would be eligible for release.. any one else getting this result after reading this order?
Tim in WI
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February 15, 2020 1:42 pm
Disgusted in MI,
You have the high ground now! Make the most of it. The amendments reflect the true underlying intent to utilize ” a gov database” to impose affirmative restraint. In other words NOTIFICATION proves REGISTRATION punitive!
Given that the regime’s initial upholding to intermediate constitutional scrutiny was precisely because the heart of the Alaska case was imprinted based on poorly defined complaint, false recidivism facts, and federal financial fiddling by the Byrne Grant crowd an investigation is in order. Registration in this case is indentured servitude to database maintenance.
Furthermore the machine has literally worked anti-liberty on a massive scale.
it is no wonder why the focus was on man rather than the database machines use.
That’s how they sold it ” to the people. ” As J.J. Stevens put it “Congress ‘s choice to apply it to them and only them is paramount to the suspicion of punitive intent.”
He went on during the 9ths review to state ” there is something else afoot here. ”
We all know there was going to be gone of cash in the surveillance culture and data collection & broker markets. Slavery is always cruel to liberty of free men.
Jack
Guest
February 15, 2020 2:05 pm
@ Brandon yes that’s right. However my question is this. Is the requirement to register in person now unconstitutional for post 2011 registrants?
Im so happy right now. Awesome job judge cleland. im sure michigan is fuming lol.
So everyone on the list can live and work where ever when this goes in affect
Good news for all involved. I also like the fact that they use the word classes for people impacted. I believe that would set a precedent for future class related legal actions?
“The intent is to satisfy a demand that people have that they kind feel like they want to know whether a sex offender is living in their midst.”
Whaaaaaaa? Really? Peoples lives are forever destroyed through legal means so that “kinda wanting to know” is satisfied?
Times r’a changin
Should rule on the 50 yearly fee too and make them refund it all
so does this mean if we were ordered to serve life on the registry after 2011 we will be on for life?
Ok the ruling said the 2011 amendments we not separable, meaning the law can’t be enforced without those in place. Is the guy from the news thinking the legislature’s going to amend the law somehow?
Valentines Day, Victory! How Sweet it is. YES!
“Michigan law makes clear that SORA cannot be enforced given such glaring omissions. See In re Apportionment of State Legislature-1982, 321 N.W.2d 565, 582 (Mich. 1982)”
It’s over. It’s finally, fucking over. In one state for now at least. Hopefully the Supreme Court agrees with this decision.
Notice how the female newscaster refers to anyone listed as “predators” regardless of the truth. Obviously, an endeavor to undermine the decision of the judge. Fake news reigns supreme in America. How sad!
Well if I read it right, and it took a few times. If they don’t rewrite a new law in 60 days this takes affect and all of Sora will be invalid because there is no revival clause in it. I might be not be reading it correct. If someone else has a different view let me know.
So correct me if I’m wrong.
Is there still 60 days of waiting at least until the legislature creates a new law?
Example. I’m a tier 2 convicted back in 2007 (pre 2011 obviously so I’m part of the class action) I can’t go to my Son’s basketball game at the high school tonight as of today due to this ruling correct?
I just watched another report on the ruling on Channel 7 at 5pm, everything sounds great, but what I am still confused about is, the 2011 Amendment, is that still in play as far a tier 3 goes and registering for life.
As you all know I am pre-2006 and 2011, conviction 6-19-92, so once the 60 days is up does that mean I am done with the registry? or just done with the 2006 amendments, and the 2011 amendment tiers and life time registration is still in play. I am going to read the ruling again to try and rap my head around it.
I would really appreciate some clarification though if you all don’t mind. Thank you in advance.
Official statement from MI ACLU. They will also be holding a Facebook live session commenting on registry requirements.
https://www.aclumich.org/en/press-releases/us-district-court-ruling-will-require-michigan-rewrite-sex-offender-registration-law
Oliver law group of Michigan. Co-Council blog about today’s events.
https://www.oliverlawgroup.com/blog/2020/february/michigan-s-sex-offender-registration-act-ruled-u/
THE FOCUS ON SEVERABILITY
The attempt to sever or divorce ” registration ” from ” notification ” has an important purpose.
The deep state surveillance saints want to retain certain other uses in the “civil designation” with respect to the surveillance infrastructure already in place. Some of these bits are being used to spy on certain other groups too. Domestic electronic gov surveillance has long been a hot button among the people. Recent FISA manipulation examples now wrong it can go. These invalid reasons for surveillance is readily apparent in the unnecessary collateral collection of citizen data. Given the ” registration regime” paved the way for such electronic disillusion of the people’s trust in gov; it only makes sense to point to the powers and advantages advance by use of the machine property visa vi ” two party use. ” Inherent in registration is indenture, no matter how emotion overruns fact. Judge Cleland makes emphasis on the vague interpretation of the ” federal model” in where state sovereign is supposed to hold against federal financial incentives that overrun them. This is how emotional “Named acts” are not rational, and thereby implicating underlying intent.
On the ACLU’s website it said the judge wrote without the 2011 amendments registrants have no idea what to do basically. Does this apply to pre 2011 offenses only? Can Janice or anybody answer that question for me please? For the record the judge said later that some parts of the law were still enforceable for post 2011 offenders….
25 years over due … I Hope this is the freedom that 45,000 deserve and I hope they have too pay anyone that they forced this barbaric punishment upon with out a judge or jury applying it . I also hope this ruling will effect the rest of this country in a positive manner , Expost facto punishment will not be tolerated . After being on this registry for 25 plus years now it is as monumental as witnessing the Berlin Wall falling !
ACLU Facebook? Is this a cruel joke? I am off paper & yet kicked off/prohibited from Facebook by Facebook.
Lets rational this with facts for a moment then reply with if you still actually think you will be off the hit list.
1). attorney fighting for the Doe’s states there should be a list
2). Judge finds parts of law unconstitutional
3). after several years unconstitutional law still in effect (how is an unconstitutional still allowed to be enforced)
4). after several years judge rules again unconstitutional and gives the state 60 days after the ruling that the parts of the law are unconstitutional to correct the law but still the unconstitutional law is still in place! (only against SO’s is an unconstitutional law allowed to stand! it should have been immediately struck down since it is unconstitutional!!!! Constition means nothing anymore and this case proves it!!!!)
My question is, Does this only apply to Michigan RC’s? Because I’m in Texas, I did understand the whole article but I was just wondering if this is only for Michigan
So after reading this again the way i see it is the state can keep sora the way it is written but must let everyone pre dating the 2011 amendments off of sora and the un constitutional provisions will be removed for every one… or they can re-write the law so it will pass constitutional muster which would be to bring back the 25 year limit which would mean most of the pre 2011 registrants would be eligible for release.. any one else getting this result after reading this order?
Disgusted in MI,
You have the high ground now! Make the most of it. The amendments reflect the true underlying intent to utilize ” a gov database” to impose affirmative restraint. In other words NOTIFICATION proves REGISTRATION punitive!
Given that the regime’s initial upholding to intermediate constitutional scrutiny was precisely because the heart of the Alaska case was imprinted based on poorly defined complaint, false recidivism facts, and federal financial fiddling by the Byrne Grant crowd an investigation is in order. Registration in this case is indentured servitude to database maintenance.
Furthermore the machine has literally worked anti-liberty on a massive scale.
it is no wonder why the focus was on man rather than the database machines use.
That’s how they sold it ” to the people. ” As J.J. Stevens put it “Congress ‘s choice to apply it to them and only them is paramount to the suspicion of punitive intent.”
He went on during the 9ths review to state ” there is something else afoot here. ”
We all know there was going to be gone of cash in the surveillance culture and data collection & broker markets. Slavery is always cruel to liberty of free men.
@ Brandon yes that’s right. However my question is this. Is the requirement to register in person now unconstitutional for post 2011 registrants?