Anyone have anything to add regarding today’s conference?? Interested to hear!
Nick
Guest
April 3, 2020 4:46 pm
I guess this is the first time the lawmakers have had an excuse they can hang their hats on. I hate to say it but I think they’ll ride this horse til it’s long dead and I will totally surprised if itwill come to an end in 6 months.
Joe
Guest
April 4, 2020 6:53 am
I think the best thing the ACLU and Michigan can do is push this past the election, I will wait with baited breath, and it will turn out better for us after November, thoughts? I’ve had to register for 18 years so far, what’s 7 more months, if it gives us a better chance… especially since msp isn’t even making pre 2011 people register.
TnT
Guest
April 4, 2020 10:40 am
Total B.S .……. Not sure how these jackAzzs keep getting away with this , Soon we will have to start our own movment against this state and the government who keep appling these unconstitutional laws agains the people in many cases years after a offence or a sentence has been served , 44,000 people in this state are F#@cked because of you , Not to mention the pain it inflicts of the families of the people on these lists , Its SICK how this keeps getting postponed the Aclu should have never kept putting sh!t off , I have watched this for over 25 years talked to the Aclu many many times over the years , wrote senators , state reps, attorney generals , governors , I couldn’t tell you how many letters , they keep saying the same B.S over and over again, year after year it sees to me both sides do NOTHING but drag their feet and postponement after postponement , The emotional roller coaster is so unjust and barbaric to so many of us and our families. I am really begging to wonder who is the Aclu really working for . Michigan politicians suck ! I hope u all coke on this virus “YOU CAUSED ” by not protecting the people instead waisting TAX PAYERS money and time fighting this kinda unconstitutional law… B.S !
TnT
Guest
April 4, 2020 12:30 pm
As far as the Aclu saying waist more time , year after year, writing these heartless ,soulless , spineless, dirty politicians letter after letter as their TAX paid secretaries pitch them over their shoulders into a trash can before the “SPINELESS ONE” ever even gets it on the desk to read. 44,000 registrant march on the steps of Lansings capita building is I believe the only way for CHANGE.
TImP
Guest
April 6, 2020 9:28 am
We need people on the SOR to step up to help us get this done. Understand that the court does NOT write laws so a new law has to come from the Michigan Legislators. The 60 days does not start until the Covid 19 emergency is over. The bill will take about 6 months to fight, this bill is not what we agreed to and it is very bad bill. Please join the fight.
*****If you would like to testify before a committee of the State House or Senate when we have a bill we can support please provide the following information; your full name, your full address, your phone number, your age and the age of the victim at the time of the offense, the number of years you were assigned to the registry prior to 2011, your tier level now, and very short summary of the crime itself. Send this information to the ACLU at intern@aclumich.org
This will NOT be a chance to retry your case but it will be a chance to talk about the issues the Registry has caused you and your family. Also stopping you from becoming a productive member of this State.
*****Or if you just want to help and get on a team of Volunteers please send us your full name, full address including zip code, and your phone number and we will add you to our volunteer list at intern@aclumich.org
Please also understand that we can not answer questions here. To ask questions or get involved go to intern@aclumich.org
Thank you Tim P ACLU of Michigan SOR Specialist
guy
Guest
April 6, 2020 12:43 pm
Anyone got anything in the mail yet?
Nick
Guest
April 6, 2020 3:10 pm
@ Tim…first let me say that I appreciate all that the ACLU and The Oliver Group has done for the past years.
In regards to your post, I do not understand what my age, the age of the victim and circumstances of the crime has to do with portions of the registry being unconstitutional. Those facts were used in determining sentencing…29 years ago. Why does it feel like we are on trial? Our debt was paid in full many years ago.
Guy
Guest
April 6, 2020 3:13 pm
So does this order mean if I want to go run the track at the high school in my town I’m able to for the time being?
TnT
Guest
April 6, 2020 4:00 pm
BOUT TIME ! Lets hope this is the beginning of the END ! Thank God, I think Judge Cleland sees threw Michigans B.S !
Bobby S.
Guest
April 6, 2020 9:36 pm
@ any Michigander
So does this finally mean what I think it means, and that is finally coming to an end, and after covid-19 is finally lifted and things start to get back to normal, ALL pre-2011 registrants will finally be removed and no longer have to register anymore. I hope I read that correctly and this is finally coming to an end. I downloaded the order to my computer so I will read it again, but does it actually mean this is finally coming to an end soon.
Nick
Guest
April 6, 2020 10:40 pm
@ BM and all of my Michigan brothers. I think it means what you think it means Bobby S!!! Sure it says “temp” but what counts is the “null and void” for pre 2011 rc’s after the virus storm is over in Michigan. I think this it ir…holy crap!!!
BM…thanks very much for sharing this.
Saddles
Guest
April 7, 2020 7:13 am
Excuse me if I am dumb but whats a Sora some third party. Seems we all make mistakes. Sure Josh made a great comment about his wife sticking by him as some of you have on here have made. Thats always good having someone stand with you thru thick and thin. Yes we all have helpers to help us along the way but courts don’t seem to see their mistakes and their pitfalls. Sure I am upset about my ordeal and I’m sure many are are just as upset on here as well. Josh you have something their about going back to court and making things right or what is punitive?
This convid-19, Is it for a reason or a warning, is it for good or bad, well yes its bad. Even government don’t even know what it is and are spending thousands of dollars to try and find out the answer and yet people suffer whether single or with their spouse or family members. I hope everybody on here shouts out loud for true justice after all this ordeal settles down. Nobody likes to see lives lost even with this virus epic ordeal todayand all the suffering that goes with this type of pandermic. We all still need to pray.
Yes Janice and her team will be in for a battle out in CA and area’s around. One wonders whos reason plays in this registry justice or is any type of ethics lost today in government. No wonder this judge in Maryland called a lot of this registry a punishment like calling a spade a spade. So whats punitive than some abc’s of not understanding for letter words and how meanings can go amiss or how they are used. All this registry can boggle the mind at times.
Joe
Guest
April 7, 2020 6:37 pm
Does anyone know during all of this stuff if the MSP are supposed to remove the pre-2011 registrants from the registry or are they leaving everyone on the registry for now until a final decision is made?
If they are supposed to suspend pre-2011 registrants from the registry and you are a pre-2011 registrant and still on the registry, what actions should be taken to be taken off or suspended during this time?
I look forward to hearing back from anyone that has information about this.
Thank You,
Joe
Saddles
Guest
April 7, 2020 8:23 pm
@Joe I don’t know anything about this ordeal but in many ways you and many guys on here are being railroaded and someone needs to take a stand
brant
Guest
April 25, 2020 8:04 am
Any updated info? When i wemt to msp on april 2 the sgt stated same as many others pre2011 not registering and will recie e letter moving forward after pandemic in regards to my
responsibility moving forward if in fact i have any at that point….. i read everyones come ts and recieved alot info fro. Tim as well
Bobby S.
Guest
April 27, 2020 1:50 pm
Hello All,
I emailed MSP today, just to see what they say about removing people from the registry and so on an
d asked how long it’s going to take and why they haven’t started removing people since the government is slowly starting to remove covid 19 restrictions, and here is what they emailed me back, i know it’s not bid news ,but it’s some news/update.
The court decision has not yet gone into effect. Shortly after the COVID19 state of emergency is lifted one of two things will happen, we receive further direction from the court or new legislation will be implemented. Upon the implementation of one of those, we will send correspondence out to everyone on the registry as to how that will their duty to register and/or requirements
Brant
Guest
April 30, 2020 5:47 pm
Yeah bobby s thanks for update that gov of ours trying to take it another 28 days into june so we sit and wait at this point
Dennis
Guest
April 30, 2020 7:09 pm
I don’t understand why the legislatue is not working on this NOW.
They’ve been able to meet and have sessions to pass a bill to stop the Governor’s stay at home order, so why not this bill??
Bobby S.
Guest
April 30, 2020 7:27 pm
Well, it looks like we are going to have to wait even longer now, since Whitmer signed another emergency executive order until May 28th, this is really starting to get ridiculous and blown out of proportion. This needs to end now. The Judge needs to order the removal of all pre-2011 registrants immediately. Have they had their 30 confidence check in yet?, does any one know, if the judge doesn’t act soon and order the removal soon, this crap is going to drag into next year. Just my opinion of course.
BM
Guest
May 1, 2020 12:32 pm
EVERYONE – HB 5679 is on the committee agenda next week!
DATE: Wednesday, May 6, 2020
TIME: 10:00 AM
PLACE:
Room 519, House Office Building,
Lansing, MI
AGENDA:
HB 5679 (Rep. Lower) Criminal procedure; sex offender registration; sex offender registration act; modify.
TnT
Guest
May 1, 2020 4:39 pm
They are Dirty ! Sent out 20 letters everyone should do the same ! Aclu sent this everyone needs to call everyday email ,
Good Afternoon Everyone,
The House Judiciary Committee has put HB5679 on the agenda for May 6, 2020 at 10am. This is incredibly dangerous, as the public health risk of COVID-19 makes it dangerous for the public to meaningfully participate in this hearing. We are working with the committee chair to remove this dangerous legislation from the committee hearing, and are asking for your help in contacting legislators who sit on the judiciary committee.
In the event that this does not get postponed, we would love to be able to have you all submit written testimony. If you are interested in doing so, but have never written testimony, we are here to help. Attached is a How to Talk to your Legislator Guide, which may be helpful in writing your testimony.
We will keep you all posted as soon as we hear anything.
Please email and call the following House Judiciary members and leadership office daily (if possible) to demand that they remove from the House Judiciary Committee hearing on May 6, 2020 at 10:00 am in Lansing, HB 5679.
HB 5679 has been scheduled for a hearing on May 6. It is egregious that our elected officials would schedule a public hearing for a bill that has a profound impact on tens of thousands of Michigan citizens during a serous pandemic. The health, safety, and welfare of your constituents should be paramount and traveling to a public meeting during this crisis is unsafe. There is no way for the public, for those impacted by this law, can meaningfully participate in this hearing and I am requesting that you postpone this hearing until such a time when it is safe and wise for public participation.
Several provisions of the Michigan Sex Offender Registry were found unconstitutional over four years ago, necessitating substantially amending the law. Lawyers and advocates have been working with the legislature since 2016 propose a fair and just alternative and there were many areas where we had agreement. HB 5679 incorporates none of those agreed-upon provisions and is inadequate at curing the constitutional flaws in Michigan’s Sex Offender Registry Act.
Please postpone any hearings on HB 5679 until such a time when the public can meaningfully participate.
If you do not want to write them copy and paste this letter, & send with Name or Even Concerned Michigan Voter !
Nicholas Dean
Guest
May 1, 2020 6:18 pm
What does this bill mean? More so what does it mean for a person who’s offense was in 2001? Does it mean that if it passes nothing is going to change? Okay so just got an email explaining it in the simple terms. Yeah from the sounds of it they are going to screw us again. I mean why wouldn’t they push this through and put it all in the rear view mirror. This blows.
Nick
Guest
May 1, 2020 6:39 pm
Ok…so I got the email from Tum at ACLU tonight. I am at a loss for word to describe the lawmakes in Michigan. Talk about pulling a fast one.No question that this is a group effort to get it through while everyone is in lockdown.
So the billcomes up next Wednesday and what happens then? If it passes the house does the Gob have to sign off on it or can she veto I the bill? Can Judge Clelend intercede?
So the ACLU wants us to go after the named reps in the email and ask for a postponement of the bill. I just simply don’t understand how they can present a bill that doesn’t address the unconstitutional sections of the old sora. Are they all actually that crooked? At first I assumed that the dude from Ionia was acting on his own….how dumb was I? Was the last 4 years really a waste of time and they’re going to have it their was in the end anyway?
TnT
Guest
May 1, 2020 9:03 pm
Wonder if contacting the news would help? Should we ALL be in LANSING this Wednesday? If so we ALL should do our best to be there, before they push it threw on us and we Regret not going ??????? Can anyone answer this ?
Anyone have anything to add regarding today’s conference?? Interested to hear!
I guess this is the first time the lawmakers have had an excuse they can hang their hats on. I hate to say it but I think they’ll ride this horse til it’s long dead and I will totally surprised if itwill come to an end in 6 months.
I think the best thing the ACLU and Michigan can do is push this past the election, I will wait with baited breath, and it will turn out better for us after November, thoughts? I’ve had to register for 18 years so far, what’s 7 more months, if it gives us a better chance… especially since msp isn’t even making pre 2011 people register.
Total B.S .……. Not sure how these jackAzzs keep getting away with this , Soon we will have to start our own movment against this state and the government who keep appling these unconstitutional laws agains the people in many cases years after a offence or a sentence has been served , 44,000 people in this state are F#@cked because of you , Not to mention the pain it inflicts of the families of the people on these lists , Its SICK how this keeps getting postponed the Aclu should have never kept putting sh!t off , I have watched this for over 25 years talked to the Aclu many many times over the years , wrote senators , state reps, attorney generals , governors , I couldn’t tell you how many letters , they keep saying the same B.S over and over again, year after year it sees to me both sides do NOTHING but drag their feet and postponement after postponement , The emotional roller coaster is so unjust and barbaric to so many of us and our families. I am really begging to wonder who is the Aclu really working for . Michigan politicians suck ! I hope u all coke on this virus “YOU CAUSED ” by not protecting the people instead waisting TAX PAYERS money and time fighting this kinda unconstitutional law… B.S !
As far as the Aclu saying waist more time , year after year, writing these heartless ,soulless , spineless, dirty politicians letter after letter as their TAX paid secretaries pitch them over their shoulders into a trash can before the “SPINELESS ONE” ever even gets it on the desk to read. 44,000 registrant march on the steps of Lansings capita building is I believe the only way for CHANGE.
We need people on the SOR to step up to help us get this done. Understand that the court does NOT write laws so a new law has to come from the Michigan Legislators. The 60 days does not start until the Covid 19 emergency is over. The bill will take about 6 months to fight, this bill is not what we agreed to and it is very bad bill. Please join the fight.
*****If you would like to testify before a committee of the State House or Senate when we have a bill we can support please provide the following information; your full name, your full address, your phone number, your age and the age of the victim at the time of the offense, the number of years you were assigned to the registry prior to 2011, your tier level now, and very short summary of the crime itself. Send this information to the ACLU at intern@aclumich.org
This will NOT be a chance to retry your case but it will be a chance to talk about the issues the Registry has caused you and your family. Also stopping you from becoming a productive member of this State.
*****Or if you just want to help and get on a team of Volunteers please send us your full name, full address including zip code, and your phone number and we will add you to our volunteer list at intern@aclumich.org
Please also understand that we can not answer questions here. To ask questions or get involved go to intern@aclumich.org
Thank you Tim P ACLU of Michigan SOR Specialist
Anyone got anything in the mail yet?
@ Tim…first let me say that I appreciate all that the ACLU and The Oliver Group has done for the past years.
In regards to your post, I do not understand what my age, the age of the victim and circumstances of the crime has to do with portions of the registry being unconstitutional. Those facts were used in determining sentencing…29 years ago. Why does it feel like we are on trial? Our debt was paid in full many years ago.
So does this order mean if I want to go run the track at the high school in my town I’m able to for the time being?
BOUT TIME ! Lets hope this is the beginning of the END ! Thank God, I think Judge Cleland sees threw Michigans B.S !
@ any Michigander
So does this finally mean what I think it means, and that is finally coming to an end, and after covid-19 is finally lifted and things start to get back to normal, ALL pre-2011 registrants will finally be removed and no longer have to register anymore. I hope I read that correctly and this is finally coming to an end. I downloaded the order to my computer so I will read it again, but does it actually mean this is finally coming to an end soon.
@ BM and all of my Michigan brothers. I think it means what you think it means Bobby S!!! Sure it says “temp” but what counts is the “null and void” for pre 2011 rc’s after the virus storm is over in Michigan. I think this it ir…holy crap!!!
BM…thanks very much for sharing this.
Excuse me if I am dumb but whats a Sora some third party. Seems we all make mistakes. Sure Josh made a great comment about his wife sticking by him as some of you have on here have made. Thats always good having someone stand with you thru thick and thin. Yes we all have helpers to help us along the way but courts don’t seem to see their mistakes and their pitfalls. Sure I am upset about my ordeal and I’m sure many are are just as upset on here as well. Josh you have something their about going back to court and making things right or what is punitive?
This convid-19, Is it for a reason or a warning, is it for good or bad, well yes its bad. Even government don’t even know what it is and are spending thousands of dollars to try and find out the answer and yet people suffer whether single or with their spouse or family members. I hope everybody on here shouts out loud for true justice after all this ordeal settles down. Nobody likes to see lives lost even with this virus epic ordeal todayand all the suffering that goes with this type of pandermic. We all still need to pray.
Yes Janice and her team will be in for a battle out in CA and area’s around. One wonders whos reason plays in this registry justice or is any type of ethics lost today in government. No wonder this judge in Maryland called a lot of this registry a punishment like calling a spade a spade. So whats punitive than some abc’s of not understanding for letter words and how meanings can go amiss or how they are used. All this registry can boggle the mind at times.
Does anyone know during all of this stuff if the MSP are supposed to remove the pre-2011 registrants from the registry or are they leaving everyone on the registry for now until a final decision is made?
If they are supposed to suspend pre-2011 registrants from the registry and you are a pre-2011 registrant and still on the registry, what actions should be taken to be taken off or suspended during this time?
I look forward to hearing back from anyone that has information about this.
Thank You,
Joe
@Joe I don’t know anything about this ordeal but in many ways you and many guys on here are being railroaded and someone needs to take a stand
Any updated info? When i wemt to msp on april 2 the sgt stated same as many others pre2011 not registering and will recie e letter moving forward after pandemic in regards to my
responsibility moving forward if in fact i have any at that point….. i read everyones come ts and recieved alot info fro. Tim as well
Hello All,
I emailed MSP today, just to see what they say about removing people from the registry and so on an
d asked how long it’s going to take and why they haven’t started removing people since the government is slowly starting to remove covid 19 restrictions, and here is what they emailed me back, i know it’s not bid news ,but it’s some news/update.
The court decision has not yet gone into effect. Shortly after the COVID19 state of emergency is lifted one of two things will happen, we receive further direction from the court or new legislation will be implemented. Upon the implementation of one of those, we will send correspondence out to everyone on the registry as to how that will their duty to register and/or requirements
Yeah bobby s thanks for update that gov of ours trying to take it another 28 days into june so we sit and wait at this point
I don’t understand why the legislatue is not working on this NOW.
They’ve been able to meet and have sessions to pass a bill to stop the Governor’s stay at home order, so why not this bill??
Well, it looks like we are going to have to wait even longer now, since Whitmer signed another emergency executive order until May 28th, this is really starting to get ridiculous and blown out of proportion. This needs to end now. The Judge needs to order the removal of all pre-2011 registrants immediately. Have they had their 30 confidence check in yet?, does any one know, if the judge doesn’t act soon and order the removal soon, this crap is going to drag into next year. Just my opinion of course.
EVERYONE – HB 5679 is on the committee agenda next week!
DATE: Wednesday, May 6, 2020
TIME: 10:00 AM
PLACE:
Room 519, House Office Building,
Lansing, MI
AGENDA:
HB 5679 (Rep. Lower) Criminal procedure; sex offender registration; sex offender registration act; modify.
They are Dirty ! Sent out 20 letters everyone should do the same ! Aclu sent this everyone needs to call everyday email ,
Good Afternoon Everyone,
The House Judiciary Committee has put HB5679 on the agenda for May 6, 2020 at 10am. This is incredibly dangerous, as the public health risk of COVID-19 makes it dangerous for the public to meaningfully participate in this hearing. We are working with the committee chair to remove this dangerous legislation from the committee hearing, and are asking for your help in contacting legislators who sit on the judiciary committee.
In the event that this does not get postponed, we would love to be able to have you all submit written testimony. If you are interested in doing so, but have never written testimony, we are here to help. Attached is a How to Talk to your Legislator Guide, which may be helpful in writing your testimony.
We will keep you all posted as soon as we hear anything.
Please email and call the following House Judiciary members and leadership office daily (if possible) to demand that they remove from the House Judiciary Committee hearing on May 6, 2020 at 10:00 am in Lansing, HB 5679.
NAME
EMAIL
PHONE
Melissa Sweet
msweet@house.mi.gov
517-373-5176
Speaker Lee Chatfield
LeeChatfield@house.mi.gov
5173732629
Chairperson Graham Filler
GrahamFiller@house.mi.gov
5173731778
Rep. Beau LaFave
BeauLaFave@house.mi.gov
5173730156
Rep. Diana Farrington
Dianafarrington@house.mi.gov
5173737768
Rep. Gary Howell
GaryHowell@house.mi.gov
5173731800
Rep. Steven Johnson
StevenJohnson@house.mi.gov
5173730840
Rep. Daire Rendon
DaireRendon@house.mi.gov
5173733817
Rep. Ryan Berman
RyanBerman@house.mi.gov
5173731799
Rep. Douglas Wozniak
DouglasWozniak@house.mi.gov
5173730843
Re. David LaGrand
DavidLaGrand@house.mi.gov
5173732668
Rep. Vanessa Guerra
VanessaGuerra@house.mi.gov
5173730152
Rep. Brian Elder
BrianElder@house.mi.gov
5173730158
Rep. Tenisha Yancey
Tenishayancey@house.mi.gov
5173730154
Rep. Kyra Bolden
KyraBolden@house.mi.gov
5173731788
Dear Representative,
HB 5679 has been scheduled for a hearing on May 6. It is egregious that our elected officials would schedule a public hearing for a bill that has a profound impact on tens of thousands of Michigan citizens during a serous pandemic. The health, safety, and welfare of your constituents should be paramount and traveling to a public meeting during this crisis is unsafe. There is no way for the public, for those impacted by this law, can meaningfully participate in this hearing and I am requesting that you postpone this hearing until such a time when it is safe and wise for public participation.
Several provisions of the Michigan Sex Offender Registry were found unconstitutional over four years ago, necessitating substantially amending the law. Lawyers and advocates have been working with the legislature since 2016 propose a fair and just alternative and there were many areas where we had agreement. HB 5679 incorporates none of those agreed-upon provisions and is inadequate at curing the constitutional flaws in Michigan’s Sex Offender Registry Act.
Please postpone any hearings on HB 5679 until such a time when the public can meaningfully participate.
If you do not want to write them copy and paste this letter, & send with Name or Even Concerned Michigan Voter !
What does this bill mean? More so what does it mean for a person who’s offense was in 2001? Does it mean that if it passes nothing is going to change? Okay so just got an email explaining it in the simple terms. Yeah from the sounds of it they are going to screw us again. I mean why wouldn’t they push this through and put it all in the rear view mirror. This blows.
Ok…so I got the email from Tum at ACLU tonight. I am at a loss for word to describe the lawmakes in Michigan. Talk about pulling a fast one.No question that this is a group effort to get it through while everyone is in lockdown.
So the billcomes up next Wednesday and what happens then? If it passes the house does the Gob have to sign off on it or can she veto I the bill? Can Judge Clelend intercede?
So the ACLU wants us to go after the named reps in the email and ask for a postponement of the bill. I just simply don’t understand how they can present a bill that doesn’t address the unconstitutional sections of the old sora. Are they all actually that crooked? At first I assumed that the dude from Ionia was acting on his own….how dumb was I? Was the last 4 years really a waste of time and they’re going to have it their was in the end anyway?
Wonder if contacting the news would help? Should we ALL be in LANSING this Wednesday? If so we ALL should do our best to be there, before they push it threw on us and we Regret not going ??????? Can anyone answer this ?