MI: Whitmer signs bill with long-awaited changes to sex offender law

After a few shots i feel a slight bit better, I hope this judge swings on them, This is so unjust . They have done nothing too address the fact that peoples sentences are still “LIFE” retroactively applied to thousands of us, years after a conviction, They still are plastering everyone’s pictures all over the internet, That wasnt addressed in the new law , Reporting every 3 months was ruled unconstitutional to apply retroactively , Do not see that changed in the new law. I know when i was sentenced and retroactively applied to the registry it was under the 1995 statue , That statue states clear as day your info is for law enforcement use only & could NOT be shared with anyone else or it was a crime ?????? Plastering it all over the internet is a CRIME by the state, That was the statues own words , So how can this type of punitive punishment not be struck down by a judge ? Lets just hope he does whats right, Everyone knows the state pulled another fast one .

@ Disgusted. I was with my old PO for eight years and we built up a pretty good relationship. On one of his visits to me at the house. I mentioned about he should of chosen his vocation well. Says that in the bible. Yes when he retired or transfered or whatever he mentioned that to me. One wonders do we all choice or vocation unwisely. Sure my PO had to visit me but he also had a lot of others he had to visit and yes we all have different views.

I even mentioned if we are ever in court on this issue I would have to say he was good in my years of PO. Myself I wouldn’t want that type of vocation. Sure I studied a bit of CJ in college but the facts remain that much of this government is vain and needs refreshing or rebuffed in many constutional law issues or matters. As I mentioned on here I can’t force anyone to do anything or pressure one or who’s the thief in government today.

Actually I have learned more from Janice’s site than any of the others and yes government is a bit much in many blind area’s.

I have read a majority of the comments here.
I was convicted in 1989, for a crime committed in 1987.
I was placed on the registry because I was incarcerated in 1995.
Ex-Post Facto my behind. I am re sentenced for this crime so many times now. Shake my head.
Not many cases are older than mine on the registry.
I am a very successful Business Owner, raised my kid, raised my Fiances kids.
I guess I can attend my grandkids school events now…
Someone, please refer me to an attorney that truly knows what they are doing to get me off of MISORA.
I perceive that I am now screwed due to this class action, and will be barred from litigation.

I feel bad for all the pre 2006 and 2011 registrants, I really do. I was lucky enough to be removed when the new law took effect. I won’t go over the punishment aspect of the registry, it’s been covered to death. What’s the point of having something removed or expunged from your record just for you imagine and info to be blasted to the public? It was a mess. My thoughts are this, for those of you still calling Judge Cleland’s court, I’d stop and I’d stop really quickly. You’re pissing off the only person that has judged in your favor that has the power to do something about it. Other comments I’ve read is that Judge Cleland is going to blast the state for not following his orders. While it’s possible, it’s highly improbable. He’s not sitting up at night feeling wronged by the state. He knows this is all part of the legal game. The state was smart for what they wanted to accomplish, they’re not dumb. They knew exactly what they were doing when they passed this. They know it throws the ball out of their court and now the ACLU will have to refile basically. They’re going to drag this out for as long as they can, and with the state that’s probably indefinitely. They didn’t misinterpret what his ruling was, they passed the bare minimum in their eyes and got the heat off of them. The only thing that will really make them act is if the judge decides that the registry is unenforceable and removes it totally. Not just temporarily, if he throws it out as unconstitutional and gets rid of it all together, then they’d have to act and act fast. But they did enough that they can make a legal argument that they covered various aspects of the ruling. I just don’t think that any of the players in this game care about this is the slightest. It’s important to the people on here because it’s your lives, but, as I was considered on for years, the sex Offender Registrants are sex offenders. Do you think they’re really rushing to give sex offenders justice? Do you really think a judge is super excited about getting rid of a list of people convicted of one of the worst crimes possible? Especially when most of society isn’t up to speed on the injustices that have happened to people on the registry, all they hear is “a federal judge did what? Oh my God, I can’t believe they’re going to be living in my area and I won’t know who or where they are!” They judge told the state they had 90 days to change it or it was being thrown out. Did that ever come to about? Sure they use Covid as an excuse, but the state was still functioning, the legislature wasn’t off for a year. His court wasn’t closed for a year. He let them have way more time then needed, now it’s become a law and I haven’t heard word one on a “final judgement.” I keep hearing about this final judgement and Judge Cleland is going to get his revenge against the state for not listening to him. I hate to say it I just don’t think it will happen. The state can do whatever they want. Just like they’ve done. This Does 2 case was years ago now and barely anything has changed except letting some people off that realistically should’ve never been on. So 17 years of punishment, some way more in other cases, finally got righted. But the state could careless if everyone is on this list until their dying day. They begrudgingly let some people off, but the ones they have, they’re going to do everything they can to keep them on. I’m not trying to be a downer, but this is what I came to realize over these last few years. There are a few people that care, but unfortunately it’s the wrong ones. Not the ones who make the decisions. None of these politicians want to be known as the one who was easy on the sex offenders. The one who lets them all go. That’s political suicide. Look at Whitmer, she acted like the registry was a miscarriage of justice before she took office, but how much help has she offered since she took office? Lord knows she loves getting that plastic looking face of hers plastered all over news shows and whatever media she can get. You think she wants to answer questions about letting sex offenders go or getting a rep for being light on sex offenses? No way. I feel bad because it’s going to take a miracle for them to do anything that is actually right. While the ACLU has been awesome during this whole thing, even their “wins” have been small and basically ignored by the state. I wish you luck, I really do, but if you keep getting yourselves worked up over something you have no control over, it’s going to drive you mental. Try your best to live the best life you can, expect the worst in this situation and hope for the best. It’s not lost on me that I’m incredibly lucky and do have the ACLU to thank for that. This whole thing has just shown me how irrelevant me and my opinions are in this world. How just because something is right, doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. Until someone has the b@££$ to step up and make changes in government, we’re going to get the same results. You all know the definition of insanity don’t you?

44,000 + on the Michigan sora,
I just counted 30 +/- commenters on this posting,and some of them are out of state…
When I see that ratio, it is depressing, then I realized in fact it showed me 44k+ Probably do not have access to the site !

So we don’t have to start registering yet right thank you if anyone can answer

This is the last Paragraph in the Opinion Of Does One Ended With ………..

We conclude that Michigan’s SORA imposes punishment. And while many (certainly not all) sex offenses involve abominable, almost unspeakable, conduct that deserves severe legal penalties, punishment may never be retroactively imposed or increased. Indeed, the fact that sex offenders are so widely feared and disdained by the general public implicates the core countermajoritarian principle embodied in the Ex Post Facto clause. As the founders rightly perceived, as dangerous as it may be not to punish someone, it is far more dangerous to permit the government under guise of civil regulation to punish people without prior notice. Such lawmaking has “been, in all ages, [a] favorite and most formidable instrument[] of tyranny.” The Federalist No. 84, supra at 444 (Alexander Hamilton). It is, as Justice Chase argued, incompatible with both the words of the Constitution and the underlying first principles of “our free republican governments.” Calder, 3 U.S. at 388–89; accord The Federalist No. 44, supra at 232 (James Madison) (“[E]x post facto laws . . . are contrary to the first principles of the social compact, and to every principle of sound legislation.”). The retroactive application of SORA’s 2006 and 2011 amendments to Plaintiffs is unconstitutional, and it must therefore cease. As we have explained, this case involves far more than an Ex Post Facto challenge. And as the district court’s detailed opinions make evident, Plaintiffs’ arguments on these other issues are far from frivolous and involve matters of great public importance. These questions, however, will have to wait for another day because none of the contested provisions may now be applied to the plaintiffs in this lawsuit, and anything we would say on those other matters would be dicta.

So how can they not rule in our favor ???? They didnt fix the unconstitutional retroactive amendments ( Aka Punishment )

@Michigan, So just curious does anyone think Cleland will make his final ruling today. My take on it is he will continue to wait on his ruling. My question is even if he ruled in our favor as far as ,pre- 2006 and 2011 go, would Michigan have to revise the registry again even with this so called new law which is obviously still unconstitutional. If it is in our favor ( wishful thinking) then all pre 2006 and 2011 should be removed ASAP, just like HYTA people were removed. Wishful thinking of course. I just hope Cleland does the right thing.

I just read the summary, that sounded like a plea deal to me,