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MI: Whitmer signs bill with long-awaited changes to sex offender law

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer on Tuesday signed a bill that would eliminate school safety zones and certain appearance requirements in Michigan’s Sex Offender Registration Act. Full ArticleFull Article

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What Exactly Did the Court of Appeals Decide?

In a unanimous opinion, the Court of Appeals decided that retroactively imposing punishment without individual risk assessment or due process violates the Constitution. The court noted that the 2006 and 2011 SORA amendments added geographic exclusion zones, imposed strict new reporting requirements, and extended registration up to life for the vast majority of registrants, without providing any review or appeal (with rare exceptions). The court found SORA to be more like criminal probation or parole than like a civil regulation.

PARENTS WITH SEX CRIMES BEWARE!!!! I found out in June of 2019 that my rights to my firstborn sons had been terminated and they had been adopted by their step in April of 2018. I had legal physical custody of my sons as infants when their mother abandoned them with me for the first 5 years of their lives. Greatest honor of my life, something mothers do all the time when true dead beats fathers bail. Long story short, my charge in 2012, involved the mother’s 12 year old niece, not my children our their siblings. I stated from the… Read more »

@ Aaron sorry too hear this , It is the system they take these sex cases especially if its a minor involved they convict on little to nothing ,they take away all your rights from the second a soccer mommy gets her ass hairs into a bunch with a man, then the right that you have in this country too be innocent until proven guilty gets shoved under the carpet because Politicians and the Legislators SUCK & know even the courts allow and support unconstitutional laws , then you are doomed before you even step a foot into that court… Read more »

Just so everyone knows, as I think Detroit said,
The court established that sora is punishment period..
And the court established that unanimously, ( everyone on the court agreed!)
There is no disagreement about that!
So proving hardships is not needed!

I can’t believe we can’t get a simple answer…. Do we in Michigan need to register? Is the COVID injunction still in force?

Tim keeps saying call and ask. Of course many will say yes come in and bring ur $50 with you.

Metro North Post Michigan State Police

14350 10 Mile Road
Oak Park, MI 48237

Phone: 248-584-5740 | Emergencies: 911
Fax: 248-584-5783
Lobby Hours: 8 a.m. to 4 p.m.
Counties Covered: Oakland and Macomb

I just called and the desk Sargent just said of ur pre 2011 you don’t have to register because of the injunction.

I then called the local sheriff and the person said I think you have to register but ask records. Records won’t answer the phone so I looked on the web site and seen this.

https://www.oakgov.com/clerkrod/court-records/Pages/default.aspx

The simple answer is the injunction is still in place, and Michigan has NOT lifted any executive orders. Until that happens, or Judge Cleland lifts the injunction, I’m not going to register.

The State is NOW asking a Federal Judge too Force us too comply with yet another punitive unconstitutional law. I would imagine this is the hold up. Will he ??????? Its like the sate runs the courts not the Judge anymore. This is why this has gone this far in the first place. I do not know about you all but my letter still stated the words ” LIFE ” this is not what a judge sentenced me too in 1992 when i was 19 years old . I received 1 to 3 years and was told if i appealed… Read more »

Try the Michigan state police sex offenders registry,
Under the search box is a telephone number.
That might get you the answer right from the horse’s mouth, so to speak,

Thanks for the update Tim,
Maybe get some input from Kristen Clarke ?

Narsol just did one better!

What did narsol do

Current epidemic orders imposed by state health officials are set to expire on Monday night.

At least 2700 inmates have died from #COVID19. None deserved it. A month after Bruce Norris had a life sentence commuted, he died of COVID while waiting release. In TX, a new mom w/ only 2-year term, died shortly after giving birth while on a ventilator.

Michigan leads the US in COVID in prison currently and if you look at the infection rate it’s quite incredible.

nytimes.com/interactive/20…

Here is the article. Michigan doesn’t have COVID under control AT all in Michigan prisons.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/10/world/covid-vaccine-coronavirus-cases

Michigan hasn’t complied with the judges orders. I got my letter saying I don’t have to report anymore because my conviction was set aside in 2007. The State off Michigan had to do one more jab though saying if you travel out of state they can’t say what will happen . My record is expunged. Michigan hasn’t returned the forced placed fees they implemented for years. You stole from us Michigan. Threatened that if we didn’t pay our misdemeanor would now be a felony. You treated everyone like garbage. I will see you in court Michigan and it will be… Read more »

I’m SO glad you noticed that too. I also received the letter as I received HYTA. That letter really pissed me off about traveling to other states or international.

Michigan should’ve requested the fingerprints back from the FBI or done SOMETHING. “Yeah we removed you, but just don’t travel out the state or you may have to register there.

HYTA is NOT A CONVICTION! So WHY would another state not read it that way?????

This is disturbing. Governor Whitmer is trying to extend the state of emergency in Michigan indefinitely. Not sure if this will effect the 6th circuits decision about us or not. Perhaps just the business restrictions and not the state of emergency?

https://reason.com/2021/04/16/michigan-moving-to-make-emergency-covid-19-mandates-permanent/

Following Oregon it appears in their effort Michigan is

5:30 pm 4-22-21
Channel 5 news , Michigan state police new database bill passes,
What the heck did I just see??

Are you talking about the child abuse database?

Michigan lawmakers are working on legislation to build a child abuse offenders database. Senate Bill No. 371 and House Bill 4653, introduced by Rep. Kevin Hertel and Senator Curtis Hertel Jr., passed the Senate last session with bipartisan support. State police would maintain a database of those convicted of child abuse in Michigan. The database would allow the public to see an individual’s legal name and any aliases, date of birth, the city or town they live in, and a brief summary of their conviction, regardless of when the conviction happened. Michigan State Police would update the website with new… Read more »

Excellent! This, the police registry for bad cops, and whatever else is being passed is excellent news for us! I hope more and more various public registries like this as passed. Because the more their are, the more they’ll be attacked, all for the same reason the SOR registry is attacked. And if a single one of those is struck down for being too harsh or unconstitutional, that means pretty much all of them will need to be struck down for the same reason. And there’s no way once enacted, they’ll be able to get around saying theses things are… Read more »

( Regardless of when the conviction happened ) ?
This part is still unconstitutional in my opinion!

Can someone smarter than me tell me if the proposed MI child abuse database overlaps with the sex
offender database, or is limited to just violent or emotional abuse or neglect convictions? I looked at the House bill, and the language was ambiguous, and while there were specific penal codes listed I don’t know if I can interpret whether those penal codes refer to sex crimes or not (the language is often ambiguous). Put another way: Is this proposed database going to indefinitely list many sex offenders who are already registered or already competed a period of registration?

The child abuse registry is not new in Michigan. Michigan has had a child abuse registry for more than 20 years. There are currently about 300,000 persons on this registry. If you are on the sex offender registry for a crime against a child, you most likely are on the child abuse registry already. If you were arrested for a sex offense against a child but pled to a non-registerable offense, you are most likely on this registry. This database is only available to child care agencies, law enforcement, courts, etc. These new bills make some of these records public… Read more »

@Detroit,
Thank you for your time and insight again.

Those in Oakland County the sheriff is saying we must register begging April and on the 13th everything was closed with NO appointments. Now on the 26th they say set a appointment and bring ur money. #Michigan

So now that my kids are almost 20 years old. I now can attend school activities with them. Kind of late for the changes. I don’t get reimbursed for that.

David:
I haven’t heard that either the emergency or TRO have been lifted. Advise Oakland County of the court’s order and ask why they are not complying.

Call 248-858-5011 and ask if RSO’s need to register. You will see. I also believe the injunction is still active. Also the MSP post at 248-584-5740 also believes people must register in April.

So, is Michigan trying to dupe everyone into a FTR?

If Michigan is trying for (failure to register), why would they ask you to register?
I think phone operator ( desk Sargent) is in violation of the court order ( temporary restraining order) and the phone operator needs to be restrained.
If you have contact with them,
Take names and numbers,
If your phone can record, do it!

Everyone in Michigan:

If you are being told to register, call the Oliver Law Group immediately at 248-206-3677.

They are located in Troy at the corner of Big Beaver and I-75 (i don’t know if you can walk in due to covid).

I called the Oliver law group and they will not answer if we have to register in Michigan for April.

Call them and ask and you will see.
– Lindsay Marino
Office Administrator & Legal Assistant. Oliver Law Group 248-780-8118

Well that’s a little disheartening!

Worst yet I called so many people. The cop answering the phone to schedule a appointment for you to register 248-858-5011 has a serious attitude. I called on Monday, 4-26-21 and he first said he didn’t have ANY openings and I should have already registered. I said… Do I need to go before a judge and say I am not being allowed to register? He then said…. I could register on 4-29 at 2 pm. I bet he doesn’t put me down as a appointment. Someone call that number and ask about registering. He is absolutely terrible acting once you… Read more »

If it helps,
I just checked on the Michigan state police website, scrolled down to the sora link, that page has 2 posts,
First post is the new law going forward.
Second post is the intern order and injunction, basically saying,,
Registers are relieved of civil responsibility until the governor removes the state of emergency or the honorable judge Cleland removes the interim order and injunction,,
I am not a lawyer,
I might add, governor just extended part of the state of emergency until may 26th…

Last edited 15 days ago by Dr.

CRAP!
I just called Gratiot co sheriffs office, officer Freisen informed me that Yes, we need to verify!
989-875-5211

I just called lansing msp and they said your would get a letter when this is lifted

On 4-13-21 Oakland County you couldn’t even register. On the records web site it actually said closed Oakland County Circuit chief judge Shalina Kumar and NO appointments can be made. Then on the 26th they posted RSO’s must register and by appointment only. Also on 4-13 the MSP was telling me I didn’t need to register.

Talk about a mess.

You’d think based on the court case, that they would have been required to send out notice and give offenders a grace period to register. Without official notice, how would a class member know the status of the law as it relates to the court’s order?

Just talked too Flint Michigan State Police Post they informed me registrants must register starting if April . Yes i am pre 95 . This Judge needs too act .

@TNT, as you probably already know along with many others I am also pre-95. Conviction was 1992. I still go to my local cop shop, last time was March, the clerk just says you don’t have to, but if you want to register we can’t stop you. So just to cover my butt, I did, and my next one is in June. My theory is since most police department’s don’t have a clue on what’s what, and I don’t think Tim from the ACLU does, either, I registered just to cover my butt. I just have a feeling crap is… Read more »

@ Bobby, i hear that , I went in today as well just to be safe. Yes i sure hope so its been way to long , Moving peoples off dates too life via dirty corrupt politicans is unconstitutional, for that matter ..Shit… This is all unconstitutional and has been retroactively applied too thousands of us and has been goin on year after year with new punitive rules and amendments disabling a certain group of citizens who have already served their time is SICK ! You would hope we can file law suites for all the damage they have applied,… Read more »

@ David,
Thank you

Wow they told Lansing something different. I’m going to try to register tomorrow because they seem to be telling us all different stuff.

Address: 975 S Lapeer Rd, Lapeer, MI 48446, United States
Phone: +1 810 664 2905
Michigan State Police

This is the one Lansing says they will send a letter when the COVID injunction is lifted.

Someone should call. Wow even LE hasn’t a clue what’s going on.

The most important thing is documentation. If something is posted on a website you must download a copy. Anything that is said you should record. Anything that is not recorded you should write everything down right after the conversation and always note the date and time. Always request the name and title of the person you are talking to. If they refuse ask why.

This pretty much sums it up.

Michigan ACLU, website.

Read an update from April 14, 2021 on the new SORA and our lawsuits here.
Find this and I think we have our snag,,,,

Dr. I am familiar with the Gratiot Count Sheriff’s department. They won’t follow the law no matter what you tell them. They only understand a lawsuit which is paid for by Gratiot County taxpayers. If I were you I would move to a different county. The emergency covid order was extended to May 26th. The ACLU is silent as to whether the TRO is still in effect. They would publish an update if there were any changes so I believe the TRO is still in place. Anyone arrested for an FTR needs to refuse to plea and sue for false… Read more »

They did publish a update.

https://www.aclumich.org/en/SORA

Thanks,

Been trying to move since 5-10-93!

Dr.
I don’t think there’s a snag. I believe the TRO is still in effect.
If the TRO is still in effect, anyone arrested will have good grounds to sue.

@Michigan…..Lord help me but I actually agree with @Detroit for once. I too, registered in March when I didn’t have to. I called the # for the state SORA unit and the trooper or whoever I spoke to said that there is no requirement to register from them but that some of the local jurisdictions WERE requiring it. He was legitimately pissed about that because of all the extra work and time being wasted explaining it…..hopefully somebody does get arrested for FTR and sues the shit out of the state. I believe that’s a slam dunk win in a lawsuit

Dr.:
Been trying to move since 5-10-93? I hope you get to it soon because 2100 is only 79 years away.

David:
Thanks for posing the update.

P.S …. Also we would ALL be out working too if these D*ck Bags s didnt disable 40 plus thousand of our citizens and keep them for working and providing for our families or allowing us too be equal citizens after serving a sentence.

Dr:
On a serious note. If you are seriously trying to move and need help, feel free to contact me at leonb7056@gmail.com

It amazes me how people are getting all hyped up. Judge Cleland’s TRO is STILL IN EFFECT. While there may be local police departments saying you must register now, people don’t seem to understand PDs requirements do not supersede a court order. Judge Cleland made it clear in his TRO that no one has to verify until he issues a final order OR until the emergency covid orders are lifted. Well guess what? He hasn’t issued a final order and there is still an emergency executive order in place. In fact, the governor recently extended the order until towards the… Read more »

I would like to point out that the (hype),
Is the inconsistency of the legislature, STATE POLICE, and local law enforcement.
The honorable judge Cleland has told both sides to work together to make the law constitutional over a year ago,
The legislature did not do what he ordered!!!!
The legislature wrote the new law without working with the aclu.

Along with all the other unconstitutional parts of this law that is in limbo at the moment.

Disgusted in Michigan: Read the court decisions. Most pre-2011 registrants will either be removed from the registry or receive a date certain for removal after the dust settles. No one can see how it “went” because the dust hasn’t settled yet. The recent legislation that went into effect on March 24th is largely unconstitutional. The ACLU mentioned this in their update. They are only trying to determine their response which may be this year or next year. Who knows? I will support you if you refuse to register during the TRO. I believe after the dust settles that you will… Read more »

I have read everything that Judge Cleland has written, and NO WHERE in any of his opinions or orders does he say pre 2011 and 2006 RPs must be removed from the registry. He only stated there were Constitutional violations with extending the 25 years to life. He ordered the Legislature to write a new law and that is exactly what they did, and it keeps EVERYONE on the hit list except for some HYATA people. I have nothing against you personally except for the fact that you keep giving people misinformation and false hope. I work too and am… Read more »

@ Detroit …… Will be keeping fingers crossed, i come too far too be F@$ked out of a way off this Hit list. So i went and registered sure didnt want too , but asked them am i required too they said yes by law. So on my form i did what i was told years ago by a lawyer that next too my signature i write..” Under protest, forced to comply or face Punitive Punishment . I have wrote this next to my signature for the last 25 years . Trust me bud, i would love nothing more then… Read more »

Tnt: Litigation takes years and we are now coming to the end of the Does litigation. My hope (even though I’m not on the registry) is that Does II becomes final within the next year or two. The Does litigation started in 2012. On August 25, 2016, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that Michigan’s registry is “punishment”. This means they cannot add time to your sentence after the date that you committed the crime, or in this case, add time to your registration. The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals is one of 12 circuit courts directly below the… Read more »

@Detroit…. Thanks , Lets hope sooner then later . 🙂

Well come June I am supposed to report and pay last 2 extortion installments , as per officer Freisen. Gratiot co. Sheriff department.
So maybe I’ll take one for the team,,,,

I registered with the MSP 4-28 and the Sargent said…. You guys don’t have to register but some jurisdictions will still make you and arrest you if you don’t. My jurisdiction is such a jurisdiction. Then Oliver law office texted me this….. My best advise David is to always try and register and literally let them turn you down. If you can, I’d get the name of the officer that stated you do not have to register and write down the date in which you were told that information. Right now while the Motion for Clarification is pending in the… Read more »

Oliver law office is staffed with supper knowledgeable lawyers who specialize in sex laws. To text with them the number is 248-780-8118.

All the law offices staff monitors the line so you speak to different lawyers or paralegals and assistants. Sometimes even Oliver.

They answer back but it can take time for them to answer you back so giving them a week to reply is normal.

I want to lansing police department and they have a letter on the door to go to lansing msp post in diamondale and m so turned me away since my conviction was 1996

For me personally, just writing down that something happened and getting names, dates, etc., is not enough. I absolutely do not trust lying big government for a single second. So I have to record everything. Everything, always, somehow, someway. I definitely would never have a phone conversation with the criminals and only write down what was said. Has to be better than that. I haven’t started wearing a body camera yet but I’ve definitely considered it. I don’t need that at my properties but I need it when I visit the criminals. The thing about it is that the criminals… Read more »

David: Thanks for posing the response. The motion for clarification is what we’ve been waiting for. This is the first step to challenging the March 24th changes in the law. I would expect that they are dealing with the March 24th changes in the final court order. This is why I believe a final order will be several months out. They must deal with the March 24th issues before they can request a final order. The March 24th changes in the law are slowing down the process but have no effect on the court’s decisions. I would be surprised to… Read more »

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