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What is happening with the stay on California’s Proposition that would require RSO’s to disclose their internet ID’s and passwords? Can they ask who my internet provider is? Where can I find a copy of the court’s order? If a County violates this order, what are the consequences? Thank you for your efforts.

The judge in this case issued a Preliminary Injunction which still stands. As a result, law enforcement cannot lawfully request/demand that you provide them with information regarding your internet identities.

Ron , Do a search for prop 35 on this website and you should find the answer to your questions

How exactly does the San Diego mayor, touch a women’s tush over clothes and say… I’m gonna go get therapy and I’m not stepping down as mayor! I did something similar while drunk in 2002 and got charged with CSC 4th degree and am a registered sex offender until 2025.

I don’t hear anyone calling him a sex offender. They call it sexual Harrassment! Really?? I’m a tier two sex offender and he’s mayor.

Did anyone else get an Amber Alert via txt msg last night? As a parent and decent person I of course think that the public must help in finding kidnapped people, especially kids. Putting information on the signs on the freeway close to the site might be a good idea, especially if done in a timely fashion. Unless, of course, those big signs distract drivers to the point of causing accidents and harm. Oh well. But what is the point of last nights alert? I just found out this was a blanket message to all cell phones in the state?… Read more »

You nailed it.I asked a right wing friend of mine recently when it became American to be so damn afraid of everything. He just looked at me stupified and stammered something about”freedoms.” Fear is how they control the masses and its been working quite well.

No kidding… remember the (para)military show of force after the Boston Marathon Bombing? Chasing 2 kids with a crockpot. Find some of the home searches on youtube. The very same day I read about at least one mass shooting that cost more than three persons their lives. Did not read how many other people got killed with firearms or died on the highway or slipped in their bathtubs. At the risk of repeating myself, I posted this on another article. I find it very fitting. Brilliant TV. Sadly only TV. A sappy TV Show, I know I know. But it… Read more »

I was just coming here to post about this. This is a new system out now that will send such Amber Alert messages to ALL cell phones in the target area. This goes to you whether you want it or not — you shave to specifically figure out how to opt out in order to stop receiving them. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-statewide-amber-alert-20130806,0,1622380.story I have had very dubious feelings about the Amber Alert system from day one. I have figured this was little other than propaganda. They always say it is to catch all the child kidnappers we “know” have been coming out of… Read more »

We got that pesky Amber Alert last night on our cell phones, complete with an alarm akin to a reactor leak on a nuclear submarine. Scared the daylights out of us, we thought somebody must have started World War III. My wife freaked out, asking me what it was. After we got the dumb things to stop making noise, I told her that it was probably somebody desperate to see their kids in a custody battle. (Actually, CNN had a report, this time it probably is serious if you have a chance to check it out.) However I agree totally,… Read more »

“an abduction by a stranger that that happens on average only twice per state per year” Do you have a source for that? On the other end of the spectrum, here is an opinion piece written (authored) by a State Senator (!), problem and solution in two paragraphs: “According to national statistics, approximately 2,000 children go missing every day. About 58,000 of these cases annually turn out to be non-family abductions. In these cases, the child is killed or never recovered nearly half of the time. While it is not my intent to frighten or alarm people by citing these… Read more »

That’s a statistic I picked up several years ago, from a law newspaper quoting FBI statistics as I recall. Frankly, it sounds right to me, and the 58,000 sounds preposterous, not even close! If that many kids were being abducted by strangers every year, that alone should make for one hell of a lot more than 100,000 registrants after 66 years in California alone, not even including all the other offenses that are subject to registration! If that many kids were being abducted every years. everyone would know someone or several kids who had been abducted. Otherwise it would mean… Read more »

Joe: I just did a quick, lightweight Google search to see about providing a specific link to the figures. I might find something more specific if I pursued it more, however I did find FBI statistics that go right along with that 2 per year per state average. The chart in that clearly shows no more than two, and often well fewer than two, non-parental abductions by strangers, without any ransom sought, per state on average since back to 2000 (my previous information actually came from pre-2000, and it was as stated above). Look under “Timeliness of Child Abduction Investigations”… Read more »

I like these numbers! Fiction can be fun… There are about 800,000 registrants in the United States. Everyone thinks that every “sex offender” has molested at least a half-dozen kids. And of course, the ones who are obeying the law and updating their registration are the ones who we can’t trust. Now, if 58,000 kids are going missing every year, picked up by dangerous “sex offenders”, then each child must be getting abducted, molested and/or killed by at least a cohort of 13 “sex offenders” or so. So instead of 1 sex offender with several victims, we have victims with… Read more »

Can you be fired if your employer finds out you are a registered offender?

Heck yeah! I worked my most my adult life for one company until they found out and fired me. The notification process makes employment oppritunities very difficult and its designed that way on purpose. The registry doesn’t clearly state my crime was a high Misdomeanor. The general public has been trained to hear the words sex offender and think… Child rapist that’s gonna kill and will reoffend any minute. Some of the general public isnt smart enough to use a registry. I’ve had people find out about my past and half a dozen people started lying saying I was a… Read more »

Employers do not need any reason to fire you — unless they have had some sort of promise to the contrary (in California, a probation period to start has been interpreted as a promise of permanent employment if you complete it and continue there. This is why companies now skip probation periods and even on their applications state employment is “at will”). The law merely blocks employers from firing you for certain illegal reasons, mostly discrimination of certain protected classes.

PC 290.46 prohibits using any of this information for , among other things, employment purposes. This was posted here a long time ago…
https://all4consolaws.org/2012/04/california-registrants-bill-of-rights/
Okay, just had a good chuckle…

California being an at-will employment state offers no, zero recourse against termination of employment for any reason. Maybe if they are silly enough to put the (real) reason in writing, but still – good luck.

@ Joe unfortunately there is a big loophole in the form of the Mendoza v. ADP Screening and Selection Services, Inc. case (2010) concerning what “using information” means from the web site for employment purposes:

http://www.casp.net/california-anti-slapp-first-amendment-law-resources/caselaw/california-courts-of-appeal-cases/mendoza-v-adp-screening-and-selection-services-inc/

I do not get directly harassed by a criminal regime all that often because I don’t allow them to get near me. But I did have the displeasure of interacting with one of their criminal employees last week. This particular criminal wanted to harass me about something particularly idiotic and wasteful. It seems that a law enforcement criminal in another state was not happy about where a vehicle that I own was parked a while ago. So he/she contacted a law enforcement criminal in my state to waste their time too. Then that criminal wanted to talk to me about… Read more »

A first time event! Tonight, while enjoying a cold drink at a local pub which I have frequented for 10 years, the bartender came up to me and asked if he could speak to me. I said yes, and we proceeded to a hallway. He asked me if I was a RSO, which I said yes. He then said, “get the f**k out of my bar and don’t ever come back!” I asked if he would like some facts, to that he said, the law is the law. Well, I left with my friend. I’m glad a scene wasn’t made,… Read more »

I’ve been listed on the nanny, big government Sex Offender Registry for around 15 years. I know for certain that the Registries do nothing significantly beneficial and lead to increased sex crimes. However, one thing that they are very useful for is identifying people who are not worth knowing. They are good at that. I have lived in a few different neighborhoods and without fail, there are always some lowlifes in them who have a real problem that I exist. The Registries have been very good at identifying who those people are and letting my family know that they are… Read more »

It’s my guess a patron complained to him? Sorry to hear of your humiliating experience.

It’s going to be an interesting winter. This FRegistryTerrorists (Jesus, couldn’t you just use “Sam” or something remotely easier to spell?) has a great point o’view and deserves kudos. ‘Atta-boys’ awarded. Remotely relevant, I somehow wound-up running a bar in Marin after having been a F****G SEX OFFENDER for nearly thirty years. Cheerily enjoying my enterprise, it turned out that a local Prosecutor was one of my regular patrons. We got along splendidly and became friends and one night she invited me home. To her place. Mind you, I’m an accommodating gentleman; thoroughly hetero and unafraid. My status an an… Read more »

I do appreciate all the encouragement, comments and feedback. I just find it unusual that I’m a “great” customer and this guy has been quite jovial with us in the past. I think that possibly something happened to a family member sometime and that’s why he reacted so vehemently. Other workers there have been more than kind, but then they don’t know the deep, dark secret. My response is this: First, he is ignorant; second, my bowel movements are more significant than he is. Kinda gross, I know, but they’re not worth the effort. Stupid is as stupid does!

I do not know you but I am very sorry about your unfortunate experience. After about the second sentence of reading I got that old “punch to the stomach” feeling. Depending on your circumstances – if you are on the web site, if you live a small town – I am surprised that this sort of thing does not happen more often. Maybe it does. That does not make it right. While this man may have someone in his family who was abused, it is only a matter of time before everyone knows not someone who has been a victim,… Read more »

I was suspended for 30 days from my local restaurant because of complaints that people didn’t want to be around a RSO. That was 6 months ago. This is after me being a good customer since they opened 8 years ago. I haven’t went back since. They said me being their was hurting business. Not possible as it’s the only restaurant in town. And it’s always busy when I’m their. The owner (a Chinese Citizen, Chinese Restaurant) said he has a right to refuse service to anyone.

It seems like you may have a law suit here: What Conditions Allow a Restaurant to Refuse Service? There a number of legitimate reasons for a restaurant to refuse service, some of which include: Patrons who are unreasonably rowdy or causing trouble Patrons that may overfill capacity if let in Patrons who come in just before closing time or when the kitchen is closed Patrons accompanied by large groups of non-customers looking to sit in Patrons lacking adequate hygiene (e.g. excess dirt, extreme body odor, etc.) In most cases, refusal of service is warranted where a customer’s presence in the… Read more »

You did not say where you got that list. Please do. It would be very nice if that were all there is to it, but I very much doubt it is. Also, I’m not so sure a restaurant would be a “public” place by law. I don’t know what the legal standards are for some place to be considered to be public, but there are standards for that. My guess is that the law on this would actually only bar certain reasons for refusing service, not guarantee service unless certain conditions are met. That is, my guess is that the… Read more »

Nobody

http://www.legalmatch.com/

But Aren’t Restaurants Considered Private Property?
Yes, however they are also considered places of public accommodation. In other words, the primary purpose of a restaurant is to sell food to the general public, which necessarily requires susceptibility to equal protection laws. Therefore, a restaurant’s existence as private property does not excuse an unjustified refusal of service. This can be contrasted to a nightclub, which usually caters itself to a specific group of clientele based on age and social status.

That link isn’t to anything specific to this discussion, it is simply to a general legal Website. I thought you were linking to a pertinent law or a court precedent or at least a licensed lawyer’s opinion. Gee, I like your logic, your interpretation, I’m just not so sure it is correct. I don’t think the equal protection clause is quite the simple and all encompassing. Besides, it is equal protection “of the laws.” I don’t know any laws protecting SORs going to a restaurant. But there are discrimination laws protecting certain categories of people, but SORs are not one… Read more »

So.. Something interesting happened last week.. I came home and one of my neighbors who knows of my past pointed out on the “Registry” that I had a label saying “In Violation.” I panicked.. In violation with what??? Since I wasn’t on parole/probation I had to get to the bottom of this and contacted the Long Beach PD, who after a time bounced my phone call to Sex Offender Unit… (do to the cut backs, I don’t think anyone at that office works full time anymore). Apparently a police officer did 2 random residence checks and I wasn’t home.. and… Read more »

290 imposes no requirement on you to do anything to confirm or validate anything in your registry. You do not even have to comply with any home check they might do, do not have to open the door to them, to not have to speak to them at the door, do not even have to tell them who you are if you do answer the door, and they are not allowed in without a warrant or your consent. If they want to confirm any information in your registry, they will just have to find other means to do so —… Read more »

Like Anonymous Nobody I am not attorney but nowhere does it say in PC 290 that a 290 is required to do ANYTHING during a compliance check. It spells out in detail the requirements at the local agency triggered by an event (move, release from incarceration) or on an annual or quarterly basis, but not in between. Someone please correct this statement if incorrect. In light of the above – this bears repeating: 290 imposes no requirement on you to do anything to confirm or validate anything in your registry. You do not even have to comply with any home… Read more »

This place is where I’ll be posting my last post if something bad happens.. Still no knocking yet… you know mentally this is helping any.. Fearful of the SS knocking down my door and dragging me out… no wonder I don’t get much sleep…

I know, not fun, scary. But in the end, do note that article, what we are saying is so, you do not have to comply with this from them. As you stated, you already have provided the residency confirmation that the law requires — no more of that is now required. Still, not fun to have to deal with this, get hauled in, find a lawyer, pay his/her fees (unless you want to commit suicide with a public defender). Of course, I would not presume a prosecutor would file charges, as they would know they can’t win. But you don’t… Read more »

I note, to clarify, that final paragraph is referring to providing that proof at time of registration, not in between registration. That proof can be simply your driver’s license, a state ID card, a utility bill — which some registrants might not even have realized was requested at registration time for this purpose. The reference in the story about law enforcement being required to confirm residency is referring to this at time of registration, not to going to your home and harassing you throughout the year. That residency was confirmed at time of registration — and nothing in the law… Read more »

I hate to ask… But if anyone is in Long Beach… Do you guys notice a “silent” hard stance against sex offenders in this city? or is it just me?

Reading whatt folks are posting about house checks scares us … Fortunately, even though we live in one of the strictest OC cities …. They have NEVER come to check, not in three years. Not that we don’t think they won’t, they just haven’t. And, we’ve got “one of those neighbors” who tells everyone about us! Even the poor family that moved in directly across the street from us … ON THE DAY THEY MOVED IN. We could tell something was wrong when we greeted them from across the street about a week later… I let a week go by… Read more »

Well written, indeed. Thanks

Last time I went in and asked about getting my year listed and Stat99, they responded they are working on… from what was told to me by my neighbor “Nope, nothing like that is mentioned. I see places where it’s suppose to be there, but nothing written there”

Agree, everyone should get their conviction and release years listed. No – demand it. PC 290 specifically states that that information ***shall*** be added by Summer 2010. That was 3-three! years ago. Anyone here ever got in trouble for forgetting to register for 3 days after the deadline???? I really wish someone would hold the state of California to adhere to PC 290 like they hold everyone on the list to it. 290.46 (a)(2) (A) On or before July 1, 2010, the Department of Justice shall make available to the public, via an Internet Web site as specified in this… Read more »

Just for the record, if this guy makes life decisions, like purchasing a home, based on how long ago the guy across the street was in the pen, he is an idiot. And even as a cop, lacking a registry for all criminals, he will have no idea about all the drug dealers and drunk drivers on the street, now won’t he. The fact that he has a badge and a gun is nothing but frightening. While I understand what you did and why you did it, I sincerely wish you had put those flowers on your dining table and… Read more »

It wasn’t how long he was in prison that the neighbor paid attention to, it was how long ago the offense was.

@Joe … I understand what you are saying about putting the flowers on my table 🙂 and not owing anything to anybody. But – I’ve lived in the same house for 25+ years, fiance for the last 3. I’ve never been uncomfortable on my own property until I ‘felt’ the presence of the new neighbors. I can’t live that way which is why I went over – to remove the ‘feeling’ of ‘pretend they don’t see us and maybe they’ll go away’. For the most part, the neighborhood is friendly (with the exception of the woman down the street) –… Read more »

My year of conviction is listed as 2005, when I was 20 years old. But I was prosecuted 7 YEARS AFTER THE FACT. So people think I committed the crime as an adult, rather than as a child myself at the time. Sometimes I just feel like throwing my hands in the air and giving up.

I can relate. My convictions were years after as well, AND the site says I was took the Static 99 assessment in 2010, also years after.

By the way, where can I find a lawyer that knows 290 law? Is there a directory? The reason I even started looking at this forum is to keep up with the laws after prop 35. I had no idea there were so many.

CA Assembly Person Tim Donnelly, Is he a moron? Tell me more. We need a list of which politicians we should support and not.

Creating a list of elected officials who support our cause might actually hurt more than help because it could be a reason for people to vote against them. Having said that, there is one elected official who has publicly supported us without worrying about any adverse impacts. That is Assemblyman Tom Ammiano who has introduced two tiered registry bills. Thank you, Tom! We appreciate you and your support!!

I agree, Ms. Bellucci. When I find a politician who is a Sex Offender moron that needs to be attacked, I simply find his/her enemies and start helping them. I never bring “sex offender” into the discussion. What I have often found is that Sex Offender moron politicians are usually just plain morons and they have many, many different weaknesses. We can get these people out of office, especially local politicians. However, a big problem is that the U.S. is full of morons who want to work in big government. Morons are literally attracted to it. So there is often… Read more »

My 5 year old daughter started kindergarten last week and the stress of not being able to participate and repeatedly disappoint her by not attending events is spiking my stress level, let alone the impact it has on her.

I know I am not alone in this. Can anyone recommend a web site or coping mechanisms to get through this?
Participating in the meetings and fighting for changes in the law great for the long haul, but for these more immediate issues any assistance is greatly appreciated.

In the index click on Resources-Support groups.

If I remember correctly, you are not on parole. Are you certain you are not allowed on school premises to attend your child’s functions.

Many counties restrict RSOs from “loitering” at or near schools but make no mention of attending activities involving your child.
For instance, my child’s school doesn’t allow registrants to act as chaperons on outings and a couple of other logical things but that’s all.

If indeed you are restricted, perhaps it’s possible you can get permission from the sheriff, police dept. etc?

Best of luck to you.

Under CALIFORNIA law it is a misdemeanor for a person required to to register under PC 290 to set foot on a school property without lawful business AND written permission from the principal. PC 626.81. http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/626.81.html 626.81. (a) Any person who is required to register as a sex offender pursuant to Section 290, who comes into any school building or upon any school ground without lawful business thereon and written permission from the chief administrative official of that school, is guilty of a misdemeanor. This extends to walking your cocker spaniel on the athletic field on the weekends. Of course… Read more »

Not only the poling place, but they hold candidate debates there as well. And my at the time middle school daughter attended the school…all the while I couldn’t go.

@C – see my comment to @alert about PC 626.81. You have not described your efforts so far. Have you requested permission and were denied? Mind you, no reason is required – a simple ‘no’ is all they need to provide. If, for some reason, you have not asked for permission (your child would certainly be ‘lawful business’) you might want to do so? Other than that, the Resources page lists some support groups more traditional in approach than this legal advocacy group. The dailystrength forum is full of mostly mothers, wives, and girlfriends, and they appear non-judgemental, seem to… Read more »

Thank you, all, for your thoughtful replies and I will check out the recommended support groups. No,I have not tried to get permission from the school as I want to spare my daughter any humiliation at the hands of children or their parents when they learn of my background. I expect that most people will not make an issue, but it’s that small percentage, just one Gladys Kravitz to stir the pot, that can turn it into the S storm I dread. Perhaps it is worth the risk – my daughter has my wife’s last name and we use my… Read more »

I’m the father of a 14 year old girl, and I go through the same thing. Fortunately, I do have a pretty good relationship with her, in spite of the 4 years I missed while locked up and on parole. A few months back, we explained to her about me having to register. My daughter has made it clear she doesn’t care what they say about me and doesn’t see me any differently. AND she’s completely understanding that I cannot attend anything at her school, doesn’t like it but is understanding.

Was doesn’t the government come out with a approve map of where register SOs can live? It seems easy enough to say “If your crimes consisted of 290 , you can’t live 2000ft from where ever”.. is it attempt not to sound “290 registers can only live in this area”.. granted if it’s said that way it does sound like a punishment and very similar to past history involving race and religion and pure race…

Just wanted to put it out there … Whenever you have an opportunity, when & if you feel comfortable, share what you know about what is going on. Personal experience … I recently spoke to a police officer (new neighbor across the street) that works in a nearby city. Began explaining to him about how there are vigilante killings across the country simply based on the fact you are listed on the registry and he had no idea. I truly believed him, he was listening. I actually shared the story about the recent SJC killing (which yesterday gave him life… Read more »

Has there ever been a study done on the unemployment rates of RSO ?

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?id=9222808

Seem another “upholder of the law” or dirty cop got busted for having sex with a minor, then intimidating the witness and having a controlled substance. This will be a good one to watch and see what, if any, sentence will be handed down. Research and statistics prove that law enforcement is a far greater threat to minors than any other profession. Another one bites the dust!

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