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I posted this on the June 2016 message board, having forgotten that there was a board designated for compliance checks. My apologies.
Anyway, as my husband nears the end of his probation (just seven weeks to go), a new fear has arisen: the possibility of compliance checks. After surviving the humiliation of two searches during probation and monthly home visits from P.O.s who wear badges around their necks, carry giant walkie-talkies in their hands, and sometimes sport t-shirts that say “L.A. County Probation: Relax,” I cannot fathom the horror of finally settling into a semi-normal life, only to have that life disrupted by police officers coming to our apartment door just to verify that my husband does, in fact, live here. Does anyone have any experience with post-probation/parole compliance checks in Long Beach? Currently, after my husband has registered and/or updated his address, he gets a call from LBPD to verify his info. This is not a problem for us. He answers the officer’s questions, and we quickly move on. If I knew that that would the extent of the checks, I could maybe, just maybe, relax. Any information that anyone from Long Beach has would be much appreciated.
Janice, is there a lawsuit in this? Some of the stories on here are so horrifying. Right now, it seems no one in our building knows about my husband’s offense, but we’ve been lucky. If a team of people show up once he’s off probation, we may not be so lucky and may find ourselves on the streets.
Guys i will be challenging these compliance checks. I live with my parents, i got lucky this time they weren’t home when they came 3 deep in full uniform. I am not on probation anymore. These checks will make me homeless. I explained this to the agency but they didn’t care. So its time for legal action. I have funds and a lawyer who believes we can win. I read all these posts and showed the lawyer about the part of PC 290.015 of whats required. He said theres no way this can be legal. I really cant believe this hasn’t been challenged before. Only been off probation for few months. Well im not sure what hes planning exactly if its harassment, restraining order, etc. We are just starting. If you want to join the suit ill see if thats possible. I would like to make it not legal so no RC will have to deal with this. Not just have it stop only for me.
Any info on reasons why this is illegal please tell me and i will relay it all to him. Any info at all. Also if anyone has tried to challenge these checks and why it failed will be important info. I will provide updates and what my lawyer finds out. This will take place in southern California. Thank you.
Yes its not illegal for a police officer to come to your door for probable cause. Realize this is PRIVATE PROPERTY. But to systematically come and be harassed for no reason, its not right. We provided what is required by law. I like that certified letter saying there not allowed on my property and its trespassing. I think i will do that. Its my property, its not public. Cops just cant go into your backyard for no reason. And getting my info that i already provided and complied 100% with the law isn’t good enough. Its private property. They have to have some kind of cause. Im gonna sue on harassment, for them going to make me homeless, for the mental anguish. How every knock or door bell ring puts me into super anxiety. Its torture. How can i ever start a life in a nice neighborhood or anywhere. How can i have a wife and a family and have them suffer to. Im not listed publicly i deserve anonymity. Im still very young. They come full uniform and make a scene. Last time they knocked on my neighbors door banging on it for 10min till they realized i was the building over. Also for the fact people aren’t publicly listed, whats the point of anonymity if everyone sees the squad roll up all the time. My lawyer is looking into it and i will meet with him next week and provide info here. So please keep an eye on this thread. Really i have nothing to loose at this point. I already stated i have the funds. If i lose the case at least i can say i tried. And if i win i will share what grounds i win, etc.
Again any info i can bring to my lawyer to help please say. I already have a few pages of points and laws and rights i feel are being violated. My lawyer is very smart, i was referred to him by one of the head public defenders. He was done many cases per 290 so he knows the ropes. Thanks guys. Is it safe to put my email up here?
Three misdemeanor counts of possession in 2002. I have had two home visits in all that time. In the first, I wasn’t home and they asked a neighbor if I lived there. She said yes and that was good enough for them. The second was about six years later. The SO knocked on my door, I answered and the deputy said, “Hi, XXX. Sheriff’s Office. We’re making sure you’re living where you’re supposed to be.” I said yes and he left.
Are these “compliance checks” constitutional?
1. The cops conduct their ‘compliance checks’ much more than once a year. They’ve visited me three times this year already. And I am not even on probation anymore.
2. The cops can visit at any hour of the day.
3. ON THE THIRD MOST RECENT VISIT: The cops — in this case, the Los Angeles County Sheriff Department — have also unfairly frightened my neighbors on at least one occasion. The deputies let my neighbors know that I am a sex offender even though I am not listed on Megan’s Law website. (BTW, I was home at the time so it seemed unnecessary for them to knock on my neighbor’s door as well. But they did so regardless, before knocking on my door to verify that I was living there.)
Are these legal and/or constitutional methods to enforce Megan’s Law?
Will ACSOL ever challenge these “compliance checks?”
I am not a sex offender, I just saw this news segment of officers going around the north bay doing compliance checks and hand cuffing someone in their house while doing a search. I am not sure if they were on probation or not, but if they were on probation I could see and even support random checks. But if you are off probation how can they just come into your home. It seems very heavy handed and I am not sure how anyone in that spot can ever get get back on track. It just seems so unfair. I am not even sure there should be a lifetime sex offender registration. I think after 15 years of good behavior you should be able to just go and live your life. I hope all of you that have to register can overcome what ever made you engage in the activity that got you in trouble and that you can put the incident behind you and your best foot forward in living a peaceful and meaningful and productive life.
Hope this thread is still open!
North Bay. My brother is currently on probation and is a registered offender (not on M’s law website). He fought the case for almost two years in court before agreeing to a plea deal. Because he refused to settle, we feel that law enforcement may be harassing him and his family. He has been on probation for only 5 months and has already had 6 compliance checks, with two of them being only two weeks apart. And all of them with at least 5 officers.
Recently, the actual DOJ/Firearm guys showed up (the second check in two weeks). Usually it’s sheriff’s/PO/Police. DOJ officers said my brother had a gun registered to him (HE DOES NOT!) and that they were there to find it. Mind blowing. And since that is absolutely false, one can only wonder if this is all intentional. Could it be a legitimate mistake or are these guys out to get him?
If he had anything, it would have already been addressed in court and with his PO! They wouldn’t come looking months later for a so called missing firearm. That is a huge deal.
Questions:
1) Is there anything we can do legally? Anything he should do to protect himself?
2) What do we do about this so called gun registration that is false? Can we contact someone and ask for proof/evidence of what they claim to have? (HOW SCARY IS THIS?!!)
3) If this is a legitimate error, what does one do?
4) Does my sister in law have to give her personal information to officers when they ask? The DOJ officers asked her for her Driver’s License number.
It is just so heartbreaking and so insane that not only do the offenders go through hell (some of whom are innocent and/or plea for the sake of their family), but their wives, children, parents do to. Having to live in a constant state of fear and feel like they are out to get you by any means necessary. It’s terrifying.
Thank you to all who have contributed here. I pray for peace and protection and comfort for all who need it.
-Ren
harassment
(either harris-meant or huh-rass-meant) n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious.
Something does need to be done. Went through my 18th+ compliance check. Always 7:30 in the morning. Every Thursday. Every year. Plain and simple systematic, sadistic harassment. Causes a lot of stress. Fiancé has PTSD and it is very stressful for her.
Janice, I am very appreciative of everything you do. I tried to call, but your mailbox is full. (SB 26 and GUHSD lawsuit). I am sure that by now there is enough proof from not just me, but from others, to create a class action suit against the state and counties for harassment.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!
Had one last week and they are now making me SIGN an affidavit with my current photo on it!
WHY?! This serves absolutely no purpose other than to cover their butts. Damn rodeo clowns.
It doesn’t look like we could make a civil claim against an individual officer due to the Qualified Immunity Doctrine which basically states: “government officials performing discretionary functions generally are shielded from liability for civil damages insofar as their conduct does not violate clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known”. But after requesting the Department, City or County to not come on your property, perhaps that would put us in position to stop being bothered? Definitely a good question for an attorney that specializes in Law Enforcement issues.
It wouldn’t be against an individual officer, but the policy. I have sensed some of the officers doing the address verifications, would be choosing to do something else if up to them. I imaging the argument would go something like that against the stop and frisk policy a la NYPD, which on its face sounds resonable, pick high crime areas and make a presence felt by stopping everyone for possible low level violations on the theory that it will prevent the worse crimes. That, I believe, is the whole philosophy and mythos around registrant laws, keep law enforcement in our faces so we remember not to re-offend, keep us contained in an invisible fence created by police presence. Sounds rational, if you don’t know that most of us by far choose not to offend of our own will, not because of the police presence, and being reminded all the time we are inherently criminals and a danger is nothing more than harrassment against our good intentions . Stop and frisk targeted people of color, the argument against it being discrimination based on race. You might say we are not a protected group, and we have suspicion against us because of a previous conviction, to which I say the Megan’s Law website itself prohibits using the registry to harrass registrants. Does this also apply to law enforcement? I would think so. Also, the re-offense rate is low enough as to not justify this probation-like level of monitoring and intrusion into the lives of people long after the punishment was supposed to end.
It would be incredibly easy for them to adopt a much less costly and time-consuming method of residence verification that could be handled entirely by the clerks in the registration office.
They could mail you an envelope, say once a year following your registration or perhaps at the six month mark, that contains another envelope for you to mail to them, in return to indicate that you had received it at your stated address.
Since you had received it at the address you had provided at registration it would provide them with a reasonable verification of your domicile.
In return, they can provide you with the assurance that they won’t be coming to your door to verify your address, barring an active investigation of some sort. In their mailing they can state this explicitly as a quid pro quo. Otherwise, they might be visiting you at home.
Who all does these compliance checks and is Orange County conducting them? We had a knock on the door last night but did not open. The guy was dressed in suit and tie. Could that be someone from SONAR? We had someone from them once about 7 years ago and nothing since. But at that time the guy came during the day and was dressed in T-shirt and Jeans. Would like to get some input. These visits are illegal if you are off paper.!
as an aside, regarding mail in *verification* they can mail you a letter, delivery confirmation.
Mail man scans it as they deliver it to your place of residence. Shows where it was delivered.
They would have to verify it and could thru the Post office.
I read all about SONAR but I am not clear if this is something new or has been around? Is it only Orange County? We had one visit in the past about 6 years ago and nothing since, even though we moved twice. They can’t possibly be allowed to visit neighbors or the work place or can they? Also, if the person is not on the public website, it should be completely illegal? Does anyone have more insight regarding this? Also, we thought about typing up a note stating that we are exercising our 4th amendment rights and have nothing to say. They can contact our lawyer if there is anything they need. Keep the note close to the door and just hand it to them. Would that be advisable?
You do not have to answer your door when they show up. Their goal no matter who shows up is to gather as much information as possible about you. if you have to report nick names or Aliases, be creative.
Something like Congressman ? this way a name search will turn up your local Legislator. Have fun and play Dirty.
More than compliance checks! I’ve been told by the local SO via letter that the DOJ is requiring me to submit a cheek swab DNA sample. “According to the DOJ, we are required to collect your DNA, your appointment is set for…..” OK, What is going on. I was charged with indecent exposure 23 years ago in California and am still there. Adult crime only. No problems since, none before. I was told to do community service, was on 3 months probation and required to complete counseling. I did all that in the 3 months I was on probation. I never even spent a day in jail or was arrested. When complete, my probation officer springs on me that I have to register for the rest of my life. That was 23 years ago. Now, why am I being asked to submit DNA on demand? Please help, I can’t find any laws stating I must do so. But I’m told if I don’t, they will add on another misdemeanor and I will have a 500 fine or 1 year jail. Please help Janice? !?!?!?!/
I am the wife of a registered citizen and he just received a compliance check in Los Angeles this morning. Off probation for 16 years. Normally we would not answer the door or comply in any way. 9 am normal knock on the door. I got out of bed and saw the police car out in front so I knew it was most likely a compliance check. Didn’t answer door. The knocks became so persistent and aggressive , the glass on the window adjacent to my front door was rattling. At this point I was furious and decided to open up the window and tell them to stop- that they were going to break my window. No one has ever banged on my door in such a manner.
Here is the exchange I had with them ( 2 female and one male officer) :
Officer: ” Is xxx here? ”
Me: ” why are you here?”
Officer: ” what is your relation to xxxx”?
Me: ” none of your business”
Officer: ” he’s not in trouble, we are doing a compliance check”
Me: : ” has a complaint been made? If not this is a suspicion less investigation”
Officer: ” we are just doing our job, following policy”
Me: ” so this means you can come to my home aggressively banging on my door everyday if you want to?”
Officer: ” yes. …….but, but, that is not going to happen” ( she rolled her eyes up)
Me: ” there is nothing in pc290 about this suspicion less intrusion at registrants or non registrants homes. I am asking that you stop coming here, or I will pursue legal action against the LAPD for harassment”
The officer looked stunned at this point and said she was sorry she woke me up. My husband then came to the window and said- ” yes I live here and it’s been 20 years” ( rolling his eyes up)
So there was a lot of eye rolling going on and the officers thanked him and left. ( quickly)
A completely different exchange from the last compliance check 4 years ago where they wanted me to leave my front door open while I went to retrieve my husband out of bed( so my pets could run out the front door and into the street or worse? )
I’m so done with this.
P
I saw a sign that says something like this.
I do not open the door for anyone unless you have an appointment with me.
P
You most assuredly must be a descendant of Brunhilda and her Shield Maidens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunhilda_of_Austrasia /
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brynhildr
I would have truly enjoyed being there to witness the looks on the Wicked Servants Faces as you called them to task.
By any chance do you have a Video Surveillance System monitoring your home?
Having such a powerful tool would enable you to post a video on YouTube & having before hand a signed “Content Producer Contract” with YouTube would allow you to Monetize your position. That’s what I would like to call or Coin the Phrase – Spinning the Tables on your Adversaries.
Just think of it, Let’s do the Math:
Nearly 1 million Registered Persons in the USA plus those around the Globe in other Nations, let’s say 2 million, that’s a Total 3 million, multiplied by say 10 family & friends affected & concerned:
For a Grand Total Potential Viewership of 30 Million Clicks!!!!
Plus all the Shares, it can go Viral!!!
That’s what I call Turning a Liability into a Asset on your families Balance Sheet:
Meaning you get paid cash money $$$$$, Today!!!!
The Only Eternal Father Most High Possessor of Heaven & Earth who formed light & created darkness Be with you and yours alway, all say Amen.
To day was my day to register . San Luis Obispo County Sheriff office at 8 am.
This is still stress full even after 30 plus years. How ever I want to give credit where credit is due.
Unlike the early years the way I am treated has changed . The lady Officer could not have been more professional , courtious , and efficient in her job. I doubt if it took a full five minutes.
As far as Compliance checks , I believe it has been 2 or 3 years sence I’ve seen a cop car in my driveway. or had a compliance check . I think they gave up . These always seemed , rediculas to me. If they wanted to find me home , why not call and ask when I was going to be there. I work and am seldom home .
Changing topics for a moment, is there any information about CARSOL (now ACSOL) doing any outreach efforts to let fellow Registrants know that ACSOL exist? (I’ll bring this up at the L.A. meeting in March.)
Where i currently live, we have both Fed’s and State parole & probation officers comming by, once and awile we would receive “The Brigade” as i call them in FULL Armored ready for war, usely its because someone hasn’t registered and or comply with the rules….during that time they will question different pepole on there whereabouts or if they live there….Now im no longer on probation but the officers who knew me when i was on probation usely says “Hi” sometimes call me by my last name. Do you think they can report to the Registry offers that,”yup. He lives there” a bonus you think?? : )
Trump’s new executive orders will likely drive new funding into local law enforcement. We should file FOIA requests to find out just what they are doing with these compliance audits, before they get put on steroids. Anyone know how to do these information requests, I’d like to learn how? I know some have filed information requests for Angel Watch. Contact me. Timmr109@gmail.com. Maybe we can get the reqests out to several jurisdictions.