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Although I agree with a lot of the progressive agenda, I won’t support them until they start to recognize the registry as one of the greatest civil rights issue of our time. Look, they have 750,000 potential activists on their side if they look at it that way. I am for equal protection under the law, protecting children and the environment from abuse, obsessive military force. Against collective insanity. For reason.

Progressives don’t see 750,000 potential volunteers. They see 100 potential volunteers–about the number of people who attended the conference. We are not showing up and speaking up because of fear. And it is not unreasonable fear. But we MUST get over it. As more people speak up and nothing bad happens to them, more people will stand up and show up. This is going to take a little time, but once we really start to organize and mobilize, we could see an end to registration.

You’re right. I need to at least attend a meeting and plan to do that.
I wanted to share this for discussion:
http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/09/15/bahrain-security-forces-detaining-children
OK so is US drawing a red line? Threatening to bomb Bahrain? Make the perpetrators register in a global Meagans Law registry?
Oh, they are hosting our navy’s fifth fleet.

No need to travel half way around the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juveniles_held_at_the_Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

This is interesting (from the Wikipedia entry): “The US Department of Defense defined minors at Guantanamo as those below the age of 16, whereas they are defined as below the age of 18 in international law.”

Of course, when it comes to willing and voluntary sexual conduct, the State of California and US Law define a minor / child as those below the age of 18.

Wrap your head around that one.

If they had 11 year old detainees at Gitmo they would define the age of a minor as those below the age of 11. They change/interpret the law to suit them.

I sincerely hope this decision will keep others from suffering this sick and useless indignity!

Indeed! Please don’t tell me that the “doctor” who administrators this “test” doesn’t get off on it!

Just as much as all the police who pretend to be “underage kids in chat rooms are just get off on it as well…living vicariously. Usually those who are so actively against something are secretly fighting the urges they have themselves!

I can just see it at the station…who wants to go undercover as a 12 year old today and everyone’s hands go up!

Cherry picked quote of the day:
“Raping a baby and having a beer are two different things.”

And thankfully(?) a professional concurred:
Christy Gunderson agreed. A mental health worker for 23 years, she said, “We’re treating sex offenders like they’re human. They’re not human.”

Cambridge residents speak up to keep sex offenders out
http://www.startribune.com/local/north/226072301.html

The quote of the day is as ugly and ignorant as the mindset of a population that would countenance a civil commitment plan from which there is no escape!

Comments like Ms Gunderson’s illustrate why I have developed a strong distrust for mental health professionals!

Do I hear a banjo playing? Sounds like a city full of inbreed cousins anyway…I don’t see why anyone (sex offender or not) would want to live in such an enlightened and welcoming “community” judging by the random quotes of some of the scholars living there!

Christy Gunderson should get back to her “mental health” work and continue her cutting edge electro-shock treatment and lobotomies.

I hear it, too. Paddle faster!

We ought to avoid the illogical fallacy that one case proves the rule. There are people on the registry that will say and do stupid things. I don’t want to be judged by the words of the few, although to give allowances for free speech in cases where the person is your “average Jane”. That said, we should call for Ms. Gunderson’s license to be pulled. She sounds like those who say terrorist suspects should be tortured because they are inhuman. She is in a position of authority and should be professional and scientific in her speech and work. Isn’t… Read more »

I guess even mental health “professionals” can have their opinions too, but should have the training and discretion to keep those opinions private. Apparently Ms. Gunderson fits into this category of mental health people who are like the blind man in a dark basement looking for the black cat that was never there! If they don’t know, just make something up seems to be the order of the day. Let’s see, best guess, not otherwise specified, might be, could have, may have, all appear in forensic evaluations. I’ve noticed that there is rarely a concrete diagnosis, but a vague, shotgun… Read more »

Hebephilia is still in play… As you pointed out,it was rejected for inclusion in the latest issue of the DSM-5 but is still used in evaluations of accused sex offenders.

Well, I think if she had made the comment without referencing her credential, as a plain citizen, then it is stupid, but free speech. To claim that a past offender is inhuman is irresponsible and dangerous, if indeed the paper reported her words correctly. That means the committed can be treated as animals, experimented on without consent. Slaughtered? Sounds like the first two are happening already. I think I should do something, besides just talking about it, at least see if there is anything that can be done legally.

Kathie, as we both know, prosecutors will stop at nothing to get primo convictions, even using rejected diagnoses and bought and paid for rubber stamped evaluations reserved just for accused sex offenders.

I spent just under 10 years wallowing in the muck and filth that is the California prison system. I was on the main line, and I was on the sensitive needs yards (SNY). I experienced, first hand, both denial and blame, on my victims and the system. It took me just over two years to realize what I had done, and how damaging my actions were. I will never know how to measure if what I went through was equal to what I did. But I do know that when I sought help before I was arrested, there really was… Read more »

You were vague about details — which is fine. But I wanted to comment about one thing you said, although whether the details you were vague about relate to my comment or not I can’t know. You said: “But I do know that when I sought help before I was arrested, there really was none to be found. ” This is so very true, true, true. They actually have laws in California that are designed to prevent many sex offenders from getting the help they need to stop, no matter how much they want or try to get that help… Read more »

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?id=9278459 Another “Great Protector” has bitten the dust. Fortunately, the victim in this case did make a report and hopefully this dirty cop will be punished to the full extent of the law, as most RSO’s have been. Cops are dirty and seem to be getting dirtier, or at least their victims are speaking out.

Here is another scary trick or treat from the Orange County D.A.: Give us your DNA and we will drop the charges. Here at http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2013/10/09/orange-county-dna

If this is true it is most bizarre, indeed.

How just super would it be if the top Law Enforcement agency in OC would, instead of building some creepy database, utilize their time and resource to, say, charge and prosecute the OC Jail guard who instigated / caused the beating, torture and murder of an inmate in the jail. https://all4consolaws.org/2013/10/orange-county-deputies-fired-after-brutal-jail-killing-want-more-taxpayer-money/

Charge and prosecute the remaining 3 officers involved in the Kelly Thomas beating and murder. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas

Etc etc.

When orange corrupt county doesn’t honor the fundamental. right to fair trial and truth in evidence ……..the
pattern becomes corrupt….deliberate indifference ……..point A was corrupted ….they look the other way….they go along with it….point G is the same carryover from A….corrupt.

Daily proof registry is a whitewash…scam…waste of taxpayers funds …….a man not on listing sexually assaults teenager arrested, while they waste time and money having you look at a registry…real new crime of sexual assaults are happening and you didn’t prevent them…..IF….IF you put every persons name on registry ….how do you scam it over the people…??….”nondisclosure is the danger”…….then those new crimes in vanuys losangeles and the jurupa valley teacher sex crimes could have been prevented public safety …….the whitewash has taxpayers look at listing twenty….thirty years…no new crime there…..yet all the while new ‘sex’ crime in cities and… Read more »

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/sex-offender-wanted-in-canada-allowed-into-us

Another interesting partial story. Canada has it too!

Gov. Jerry Brown today (Saturday) signed a new California law to crackdown on sex offenders. I will now be able to sleep at night: http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-gov-brown-targets-sex-offenders-who-remove-tracking-devices-20131012,0,5941592.story The law will require any sex offender on parole who takes off or disables his GPS monitoring device to serve the full time of 180 days for that offense in county jail. Prior to this law, many in county jails were subject to early release due to overcrowding. Sex offenders who disable their monitors will not be eligible for early release under this law. I note, this comes in the wake of a story in… Read more »

Hello, I live in Corona CA. I was advised by me registration officer at my last registration that I could not move. Corona, CA has enacted a local ordinance prohibiting registered sex offenders from residing with 2000 feet from schools, parks, day care centers, etc. I asked him if this meant that I was banished from Corona? he said yes, if I decide to move. this does not make sense to me. It has been 20+ years since my conviction and I have had my conviction expunged. I am engaged and this is a direct threat to my upcoming marriage.… Read more »

The City of Corona has a provision that allows RSO who lived in a an exclusion zone prior to passage of the ordinance in 2008 to remain there. But if you move, you cannot move into another exclusion zone.

This whole banishment thing is horrible and wrong and we need to work through RSOL to put an end to it. It does nothing for public safety–its just additional punishment.

This residency restriction bit was enacted in state law by the electorate — gee, I forget which of the various initiatives as there have been so many, but a few years ago. As I recall — and you would have to double check as it is possible I’m mixing something up — after it was passed, opponents were fighting whether the new law restricting residency could be applied retroactively, contending that would be ex post facto punishment. Seems to me the Superior Court blocked retroactive enforcement in one way or another (maybe it was a TRO, but no final say… Read more »

There are 114 separate city ordinances that have all different definitions of restricted zones, sex offenders, loitering, etc. In other words, it’s all a big mess. These laws have zero to do with public safety, it is only retribution and fear. I would like to see a political solution in which all 114 ordinances are repealed in a deliberative process, but I know that is not practical. It’s going to have to be a lawsuit where some lucky city pays out some seven figure judgment to one of us.

No name, I feel for you. Truly. Thats terrible. I had my charge expunged like over 10 years ago and received summary probation for my plea. Thats crazy. I was totally unaware that Corona had passed this ordinance. I think these ordinances banning people from living in certain areas is getting crazy. I mean, lets face it. (this isn’t a put down) Many people move to Riverside, Corona ect for cheaper housing. So, if you keep pushing these crazy ordinances, where are people going to live? I think everyone needs to get on this site, donate money and we really… Read more »

Thanks for encouraging those who read this website to make a donation! Resources are needed to challenge the laws which current restrict where a registered citizen can visit (parks, beaches, libraries, etc.) as well as where a registered citizen can live. It’s time to show up, stand up and speak up!

Take the time to read over….and maybe read over again some of the issues and topics ….quite possibly uas missed….
so there hasn’t gone forward a comment mistake like uas…..
confuse the matters issues is what they want……….look up a
topic issue here CARSOL…chances are it helps.

@uas…..what update today of information you have that is a different ruling ..???….what ruling was given after review ..??

I saw something disturbing when I took off from home and couldn’t figure it out., I saw a beat up blue van with graffiti on it. And when I came back stuck in traffic I had enough time to see it again and process what I just saw… A beat up blue van with red spray paint graffiti on it saying “Child Molester” along the sides of the van and “Sex Offender” on the hood and rear area.. on 7th and Dawson Long Beach, CA.. it brought on a chill down my back.. Not because the person is a sex… Read more »

Painting graffiti like “Child Molester” and “Sex Offender” on someone’s vehicle is against the law. If anyone knows this person, please contact CA RSOL so that action can be taken.

Yes, please if someone knows that individual reach out to them… I’m not local to that area of Long Beach, and I’m not sure who that person is.. Its a very noticeable with the red spray paint on blue.. It could be parking in front of that new construction site (use to be Big Lots) and that small mini taco joint…

I sent you a message Janice Bellucci thru the site’s email… I want to do this, there is a high chance I’ll see the van since its a route I usually take to leave Long Beach.. Like slip him a letter or leave it on the windshield or something… just need some sort of template or whatever is the normal letter to be leaving for a person in his situation…

I made contact with him and give him the contact info

Thank you Bluewall. It is encouraging to know we are looking out for each other. This guy may not even be a registrant, but that wouldn’t matter. He is a victim of the insanity that’s going around, just like our families members are subject to this vigilantyism.

I received a letter from my probation department ordering me to remain in my home on Halloween from 5pm until the next morning. I was further instructed that I must place a sign on my door reading “no candy” and to keep my lights off. I am not on parole or on federal probation – does the county probation department have the authority to confine me to my home like this?

From my understanding.. and what I went through.. it’s normal.. when I was on it they left their business card and letter saying special instructions with the same instructions that you received.. They roughly can tell you to do anything, if you fail in following your instructions they violate you.. Lucky enough when I had a job during probation I worked at nights so I wasn’t even at home to answer the door

But he said he is not on probation or parole! Austin, you did not say what county or city you are in — does that area have a local law with that restriction, and the probation department might simply be the one designated to inform all SORs? Still, that’s the first I’ve heard of a registrant not on parole or probation being told they must confine themselves to their home — that is putting them in custody, and custody is unquestionably punishment and cannot stand under challenge. Even the most anti-sex-offender judges out there will rule that custody is punishment.… Read more »

I’m sorry Anonymous Nobody, I said I’m not on Federal probation or parole; I am serving a grant of probation in my county in California. But my understanding has been that in California only those on state parole or federal supervision are obligated to follow such strict rules during Halloween. When I was granted probation there were no terms of probation that specified that I would have to confine myself to my home anytime the probation department decided I should. I just would like to know if the county probation department has the authority to simply impose house arrest on… Read more »

OK, so you are on probation. Re federal supervision or state parole, there are laws for certain offenses requiring certain things on parolees in California. But more and more of those same things are being imposed even on people who no longer are on probation, much less only on probation. And yes, more and more localities are imposing their own onerous rules and obligations on registrants. I do not believe there is any state law requiring even registrants on parole to confine themselves inside their home for Halloween. I have heard of such laws only at the local level. Might… Read more »

I have been explicitly instructed to be in my home by 5pm and that I am not to leave my home until the next morning AS WELL AS to not open the door. I’ve further been instructed to keep the lights off at the front of my house and to post a sign on my front door reading “NO CANDY”. As far as I know these is no local law requiring registrants to do any such thing and as far as I am concerned this is de facto incarceration. My question is: do probation departments have the legal authority to… Read more »

Yes, anyone? Are the probation departments clueless? Over confident? Or, are they trying to help us prove registration laws are being used as punishment and therefore unconstitutional.

Austin,
Save that letter you received from probation. It is illegal for them to require you to place a sign on your door. Janice has succeeded in filing law suits to prevent that from happening.

Thank you Jim – I don’t know what to do. If I don’t comply I’m afraid they will arrest me and then I’d have blown any chance at ever getting a certificate of rehabilitation.

That’s right. But hey, yes, the sign is bad enough. But the custody issue here is worse!

How can anyone see the sign with the lights off? Not where I live. And couldn’t anyone go online to see what houses to avoid? It’s not like Megan’s Law is a secret. Sounds like an arrest looking for rule to justify it.

Im wondering if we should go ahead and file small claim paper work against facebook.com

if 50 to 100 of us in the bay area just file an $50.00 paper work toward the CEO of facebook in small claim court it might presure them to remove that policy

thank you
nathan

Austin, An evenings compliance is better than a trip to jail. Did probation say how large the “sign” had to be? Could it be a micro-sign? After all, you’re in compliance. I always turn off the lights, lock the door and watch TV with no lights on, even before becoming a member of the club. All of what they do is BS and we know that, but make sure you chose the battles wisely. Keep doing right and file for that COR!

Here is my question? What if he doesn’t own the home? What if he is renting a room? Or, what if he is living in the back house behind the front house? What if his ex wife is allowing him to live in her home and she refuses? Hmm. Or, what do you consider Halloween Decorations? Or, what if he (READ THIS CAREFULLY) is a Diabetic, cant leave his home to buy food to avoid his blood sugar becoming too low and he orders a delivery Pizza? Can he still not open the door? Hmm? What if?

When I was on probation I had prohibition on unsupervised contact with minors. That is what was approved by the judge.Now I assumed that meant I could not answer the door when a child was there. My probation officer was intelligent and reasonable and never made me do something so silly as put up a sign or keep me from going outside. I am wondering if you could petition the judge in your case for unreasonable application of your terms of probation.

Tim, I really have no idea. For myself, I plead to a battery and received summary probation for possibly an incident at a massage parlor. I was only required to stay away from massage parlors? (Please don’t laugh). So, if this Halloween law was enacted in my area, I would be scratching my head? Personally, I think the laws prohibiting individuals from visiting parks or beaches will DEFINITELY BE overturned. I think maybe those individuals currently on probation or parole might still have to avoid these places until their probation has ceased. Furthermore, I have no doubt that this Halloween… Read more »

Barstow.. Not a friendly place..period… I was driving thru Barstow, pulled off for gas. Went to the gas station to pay in cash, use the bathroom, and buy a few items. And there was a cop car, a Dodge Charger right behind my car. Thought nothing of it until the cop got out asked me to put my hands on my car, pass my driver license to him.. And He was reading off my name, license plate, and VID number (last 6 of that one). The dispatch over his shoulder radio confirmed, listed off my address, name, and description of… Read more »

That’s nuts! Personally, it sounds like a bored cop seeking a little excitement! Coincidence. I wonder what shows with expunged records?

Not that a registrant doesn’t feel restrictions every day … And none more so than your birthday … Today is another one, for some. At 5:00 pm tonight until 11:59 pm ALL outdoor lights must be off AND the front door must be shut! It feels shitty. Thank goodness our city wasn’t one that had the sign requirement. But yet again …. another CLEAR reminder of your past. Feeling shitty in a neighborhood I’ve been in for 25 years, however, only the last three with my love, a registrant. Happy Halloween!! Written with total sarcasm …. The positive side is… Read more »

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