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Janice’s Journal: The March on Carson

We showed up. We stood up. We spoke up. Voices of African Americans, Asian Americans, Latinos and Caucasians. Voices of the young (age 7) and voices of the old (75+).

We were heard. By the residents of Carson who honked their car horns in approval. By the Los Angeles Times who sent a photographer to capture images of the event. By KTLA TV who sent both a reporter and a videographer to record our voices and our actions.

Our messages? We delivered three important messages in Carson on March 7, the 50th anniversary of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s march from Selma.

First, the City of Carson is an outlier and an outlaw that willfully chooses to break the law and to violate court decisions which clearly state that ordinances such as the Carson ordinance are preempted by state law.

Second, registered citizens have civil rights and those rights are being violated by the Carson ordinance which prohibits registered citizens from loitering in or within 300 feet of public places such as libraries, parks, and swimming pools as well as private places such as fast food restaurants.

Third, the City of Carson is hurting families by denying them the opportunity to act as a family. By denying them the opportunity to enjoy a family outing in a park that is supported by their tax dollars.

Our education of the City of Carson, in general, and the Carson City Council, in particular, is not over. We will return to Carson soon to testify before the Carson City Council. And we will face the City of Carson in Los Angles Superior Court, Dept. 77, on June 11 at 8:30 a.m. All are welcome to join us in this public hearing which could decide whether the City of Carson is allowed to continue to break the law, to ignore court decisions solely because City Council members don’t agree with them. If the Judge acts consistently with his oath of office, that is, to abide by the Constitution, he will not allow Carson to continue to break the law, to violate both the state and federal Constitutions.

Janice Bellucci

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Not exactly Selma, but just as historically important. On the same day as the anniversary, no less. Irony. For a so-called “Christian” country like America, it really does have a fanatical love affair with revenge and hate while getting off on watching the pain, misery and suffering of others.

As I’ve said previously, the “Christian Nation” that rejects notions of “forgiveness” and “redemption”. Hypocrisy is fascinating.

‘…the “Christian Nation” that rejects notions of “forgiveness” and “redemption”…’ I have been a Christian, as in follower of Jesus the Christ, for many years and I am an ordained, non-denominational, minister. My Bible training was precept and organic without the pollution of man-made doctrines and religion, found in most churches. The Bible teaches that forgiveness is required before anyone can receive forgiveness and we ALL have sin that requires forgiveness from God. If, a person says he/she is a Christian and do not forgive is also saying he/she is not a sinner and have no need for redemption and… Read more »

I know this comment will be unpopular but I have to say it. I am a little bit disturbed by how everyone keeps comparing this protest to Selma. I think this hi-lights a growing attitude that some of us who stay mostly quiet are disturbed about. Should we have rights? Absolutely. Should we be allowed to go on and live productive lives? Yes, we should! Is it ultimately our fault that we got into this mess in the first place? Without a doubt. This “out and proud” rhetoric is disturbing. There is one significant difference between we on the registry… Read more »

There are some questions I would ask you about your opinion. First, how do you think the people in our group, registrants and families, should go about obtaining the rights they are afforded under the constitution? I understand the difference between a group is discriminated against because of birth circumstance and a group that broke the prevailing law. However, what about the fact that these laws, and the punishments that have been enacted, keep growing with every legislative session, are overly punitive and the California registry treats all sex offenses the same? The similarity between us and other groups who… Read more »

Actually , ionovati, while I understand the distinction you draw, it does not apply to us. What you are talking about is whether the sentence fits the crime and is justice. Butath is not what reegistration is. As has always been the case, and as the law and the courts have made clear, registration is NOT part of the sentencing, it is not part of the punishment for the crime. We have all done all the sentencing handed down, and no one here has even involved that in the discussion, we are not complaining about our sentences. What we are… Read more »

I was going to quickly put my own blasted opinion on here without real clarity. Now sir, your understanding has blasted me with a dose of clarity I wasn’t expecting…Thank you! The registry is in place as a punitive measure against us for a “possible” future violation not yet happened. Can there be any form of law more draconian than this?

@lonovati, As a family member of someone who is on the registry, I DISAGREE. I did nothing wrong, and yet my neighbors “said that they would try to get us removed from our home” the home we bought and paid for, all because we have a family member on the registry, so, my rights are violated, the children in our family are discriminated against too. People have died all because they loved someone on the registry, and you don’t think that is something to fight about? The laws and the courts also discriminate. There is no justice in our courts… Read more »

The issue here is how do we view our laws and, in particular, our Constitution. Let me use a water analogy. Many view the Bill of Rights and many of the constitutional rights that follow as a deep well filled with water than many can drink from. Civil rights movements have been fights to allow previously disenfranchised people the benefits of drinking deeply from the well. Black leaders have fought to allow blacks to have full access. Hispanic leaders have fought to allow hispanics full access. Gays have fought for gays. Jews have fought for Jews. And so on. I… Read more »

I accept that I did something horrific 40 years ago and that because of MY actions, a large percentage of the general population will perpetually despise me. I not only accept it – I don’t even resent them for it. It’s understandable. My civil liberties were restored 27 years ago. I have lived among this public for 35 years. I have taken the opportunity of restoration of rights and been faithful to the opportunity of “forgiveness” afforded by the Constitution. The fight, then, is not to gain acceptance from those who will never give it to me but for the… Read more »

lonovati here is one significant difference between we on the registry and racial, ethnic, and social minorities — blacks were not discriminated against because they committed a crime most of society detests. I think you’re trying to color outside the lines here and making a dangerous oversimplification. You don’t believe that sex offenders are not only guilty by association, but are also hated by association of the label itself the SAME way black were in the 60s? There is no nuance or demarcation when you compare the two: Hatred by association and representation of a label. Segregation is segregation. Hate… Read more »

One of the biggest derisive complaints done by the anti’s is when we use the comparison to how the Nazis initially started their world quest by segregating, then murdering Jewish people (not “Jews”; that is a racist term). They get angry that “we are comparing sex offenders with the horrific circumstances of Jewish people in the Holocaust.” What they FAIL to do is to understand the dynamics behind BOTH the registration of sex offenders in the United States and the registration of Jewish people in Weimarcht Germany. In both cases, the establishment governnment first registered the undesirables, and yes: in… Read more »

Great job guys! This is amazing!

We were on the 6:30 PM KTLA channel 5 News report and it was quite fairly presented. I’m not sure where you can see it it you missed it but try their web page and find the Saturday report.

I’ll be interested to see what, if anything, is in the Los Angeles Times tomorrow but as of this hour there is nothing that I could find on their web page.

I’m surprised (NOT!) the local anti american civic leaders failed to show up and take advantage of the media coverage to tell everyone why the constitution shouldn’t apply to registrants and why they shouldn’t have to obey state law.

Great job everyone. I regret I had to work today and missed this event; but timmr filled me in on the days events 🙂

lonovati said “I feel we are borderlining on condoning or excusing our crimes and offenses.”

Nope, if we were doing that, then our re-offense rate would be higher than 2%.

Three Cheers to all of you!! Looks like something my family and I would have been proud to be a part of. I look forward to the positive press and the dialogues on TV and radio that I hope will come of this. Thanks to you who participated for all of us who could not this time.

lonovati contradicts himself by saying “Should we have rights? Absolutely.
Should we be allowed to go on and live productive lives? Yes, we should!”

And then goes on to say ” I’m sorry but ultimately they did nothing to deserve the discrimination, where as we did.”

Make up your mind.

Oh lonovati, what you fail to understand is that for perhaps many on they registry, they, too, did nothing to deserve this discrimination. Some of California’s penal codes (statutory “rape”) don’t even exist in about 30 other states. Others have victimless “crimes” who were either lured and trapped in a sting or may have unknowingly downloaded/viewed unlawful material. Some didn’t even involve sexual acts. There are even those who were falsely accused but may have been scared into taking a plea (such as in my case). Believe it or not, “victims” DO lie as a means of getting revenge; I’m… Read more »

This march was a good start for protests. This set a very good, peaceful tone to be attached to registrants. This is helpful going forward to build upon. And with this one going smoothly, despite being in the heart of one of the most hateful places toward us, should help encourage more people to join in future protests. And we need more and bigger protests and regularly, and not just against local ordinances, but just simply against registration itself on the state level. You simply cannot even justify having to check in/go in as if on probation or parole, not… Read more »

California RSOL will keep the snowball rolling! How? We will soon attend a City Council meeting to ensure that our voices are heard by the members of the Council who refused to attend the picnic to which they were invited on March 7. We will also face them in Court on June 11 at 8:30 a.m., Los Angeles Superior Court, in Department 77. It’s a public hearing and all are invited. And yes, we will move beyond Carson. We have a board meeting on March 12 during which more specific plans will be made and later reported on. There is… Read more »

Re: lonovati. Lonovati raises the same complaint Leveled at homosexuals When they would speak in terms that drew similarities with the civil rights and famous black movements. The comment was, gay people can choose to stay in the closet, or not be gay. But I think the fear of black people was the principle driving force behind racial descrimination and so it was when homosexuals for 25 years had to register as sex offenders in california. Fear of sex offenders is justified in a more direct and logical way to some registrants, but clearly not all, but the law doesnt… Read more »

The only coverage in the Sunday Los Angeles Times was buried in the B section, on B6 (left hand page), at the bottom. It was only a pic with a short caption, not a story. A good size pic, but I am disappointed that they did not choose one showing the overall participation but instead chose one that made it look like just a handful of people is all there was, and just standing around looking bored. A line of 50 people marching with signs would have made a much more impressive picture and fuller report. But then, the Times… Read more »

Those of us who could not March this weekend can still support the cause. Please, please, please if you haven’t called the Governor about the San Diego parole office and finding out who made the decision to tell parole officers not help 290 parolees find housing, please call and voice your feelings. The guy I talked to last week was interested in what I had to say. Suggest the Governor read the Taylor opinion. If you haven’t read it yet, read it, what they did in San Diego is appalling. Maybe we could all send a copy of the opinion… Read more »

Molly, I sent email to Ms. Jacobs, even though I do not live SDC. Thanks for the info.

It would be great if we could develop local RSOL action groups in each and every county in California. A point of contact for each county for Those at the state level of RSOL (Janice, Chance, Frank and other staffers) We need to create a web across this state and strengthen that web with the talents of each member. The nature of my job is to engage people at their local hair salon. The more we engage the deeper our efforts will matter. Get involved with helping local officials getting elected. If we engage those in office on the campaign… Read more »

KTLA 5 did show part of its interview with you, but it was maybe 1% of the total of what you said to them. I understand how the process works and the exigencies of a 3 or 4 minute news segment, but it still rankles to see it happen. I think your idea of posting something in it’s entirety on YouTube would be a good way to partially remedy this. Perhaps CA RSOL should create a YouTube channel for this purpose.

I just searched for KTLA’s story and it is nowhere to be found.

Some how we need to have list of RC’s, from megan’s site, without breaking the law.

I march for the Constitution to be applied equally to everyone. I didn’t march for “sex offenders”, but for those who are struggling to be allowed to be peaceful and productive citizens. There are rules in the Constitution that say how laws should be applied to all people without arbitrary discrimination. Yes, it is unconscionable that blacks and Latinos are incarcerated at a higher rate for taking or using drugs, for example, than their white counterparts. They are incarcerated for all crimes, including sex crimes, at a greater rate than their white brothers. People on the registry are subject to… Read more »

Actually, that is the advance story the day before, already posted in another thread as it appeared in the South Bay Daily Breeze. The Long Beach Press-Telegram simply runs the same story as the South Bay Daily Breeze in Torrance. They, along with most other print news media in SoCal, are both owned by by Dean Singleton and share their operations. In fact, when he bought it, Singleton cut the staffing at the Press Telegram from 45 in the news room to I think it is now 3, or maybe down to 1. The Press Telegram is put together and… Read more »

Ionovati… You can be unfairly discriminated against for many reasons. The Selma marchers reflected all that was good in America at that time.The CARSOL marchers held the same dignity of peaceful protest in their march. Ionovati, you seem to buy into the same grouping of ‘registrants’ as is used to collectively restrict registrants in a one-size-restricts-all fashion. In the Taylor Case, the California Supreme Court ruled this should be done on a case-by-case basis. Not sure what state you’re in but check out the decision. Some examples of other valid demonstrations inspired by the Selma Protest…. these examples may be… Read more »

Bravo to those who engage in the actions!! We have nothing like it in Central California.

And to registration: it is punishment for crimes you might—or might not—commit at some indefinite time in the future.

Unless you are a very small minority of people, registration is PUNISHMENT for what SOMEONE ELSE did, does, or MIGHT DO in the future.

Actually, all sex offenders are made a spectacle out of for the anecdotal cases in which these laws were created. They misguidedly believe that subjugating people to this imposition will prevent the same thing from happening again and “honor” the memory of the victim in the process.

This is a misguided and dangerous juxtaposition; and it’s all legal.

I for one am proud of all of those who participated in the march. I only wish I was there but alas I still live in fear of further exposure.

Thank you so much Janice, your are the light at the end of the tunnel and clearly care about our rights as people.

I’m curious; What is the point of returning to the council meetings at the City of Carson to testify or educate them? It seems that they should have had all the reasonable, and then some, information on this issue a long time ago. Why not just wait till June and then watch them sink in court and have to pay out the big bucks AND be DIRECTLY ordered by the court to comply? OR If THEY don’t want to wait, and would now like to go along with the program, for just attorney’s fees, why not sit back and make… Read more »

Technically, they aren’t addressing the city council; they are addressing ALL citizens of the city. And it is important to present the facts through documented and binding forums whenever possible. The fact the city is being sued is irrelevent to the entire issue of promoting safety through elimination of the Internet registration scheme and subsequent restrictions that present city officials with more avenues of corruption and abuse.

Thanks. Good points. I’m usually not so short sighted and should have seen that for myself. It’s just that I know that those are the kind of people who would kick us when we are down (indeed, the kind that want to knock us down in the first place then kick us), so I think the favor should be returned. Which is why I really hope they do not come to their senses and do indeed go to court. Still, having facts and evidence, over myth and hysteria, put “on the record”, for the public as a whole, is good… Read more »

Thanks Janice and all that attended your all heroes and inspiration for us all. If only all the US could be as American as you guys.

KFI’S John & Ken are about to talk about the Carson March. Time now 400P PM 3/11/2015.

Let us know what they say. Sure it will be interesting.

Janice,

It’s too bad those two jerks went to appeal to the lowest common denominator rather than engage in a serious adult discussion of this issue. You handled yourself beautifully. It reminded me of trying to talk to my 3 year old down from a tantrum. It just ain’t gonna happen.

NPR would probably provide more receptive hosts and audiences.

I listened too … And I agree. JANICE handled herself well. The one part I thought was interesting (John, the ass) said that he would make it uncomfortable for a registrant to live in his neighbourhood and what he would do! I was also offended that they said … “We don’t want a history lesson … “. Really??

I am willing to speak on any radio or TV station and to be interviewed by any publication. Why? Because of the audience. Although the host(s) may be full of venom and mistruths, it is an opportunity for me to educate the public about the truth and to debunk the myths associated with our community.

“Our community” – Thank you Janice

I just found and listened to the show. omg I have never heard such unprofessionalism as from these guys. how rude!

Thank you Janice!

btw – I don’t give a rats behind what they are comfortable with or not. Basic civil rights and making some idiot comfortable are two different things. Mother taught me that when we speak of rights they are usually the rights of others.

I totally agree. It is NOT anyone’s obligation to make anyone else comfortable.

Just like parents in the South did not feel comfortable having their precious child sit next to an African American student in school. Just like the Nazis did not feel comfortable having Jewish neighbors.

Comfortable? Scr3w’em. Rights are Rights. Period.

Can a link to the interview be provided?

Here’s the link: http://www.kfiam640.com/onair/john-and-ken-37487/whatyoumissed-at-4pm-today-on-the-13401549/ I think the best answer to what the heck someone, anyone, is thinking about as they masturbate in the privacy of their own place is that IT DOES NOT MATTER. Doing that while having wild thoughts is not illegal and harms no one. What matters is how they act. And the point of the “history lesson” was that there are people who have been on the registry, those that are considered low and medium risk offenders, who never reoffended and would have fallen off if we had tiered registration. But they are on there for life… Read more »

This is described as “Attorney Janice Bellucci on with John and Ken in a VERY contentious interview on reforming sex offender laws”.

INTERVIEW? Hardly. More like a verbal assassination. Or a shouting match with the bully on the school yard. Edward R Murrow must be spinning in his grave.

I just listened to the radio assassination attempt of Janice. WOW. John and Ken showed their ignorance and propensity to incite violence. What they said on air can be prosecuted as making terrorist threats. Any form of communication that threatens violence or denying a person their constitutional right should be held accountable.

Yea, let’s not cloud the story with facts.

John & Ken have diarrhea of the mouth and people just suck it up during that afternoon drive.

Bill Handle is the only reason I tune in to KFI. He’s funny and I have heard him and Bill Carol speak more sympathetically to RC issues. They never shout down their guests. Handle might call you a shmuck, but he won’t talk over you…much.

This goes to show you don’t have to be that smart to be successful as a Clear Channel/I Heart Radio/I Heart Media/I Heart Hate shockjock AM radio moron. Great interview.

M said “I was also offended that they said … “We don’t want a history lesson … ” Turns out they did need that history lesson. The shockjocks had a deer-in-the-headlights meltdown moment when told about lie detector tests being used currently. The shockjock, when told about polygraph tests given to all paroled registered citizens, did not understand that if a registered citizen parolee did have fantasies of violent rape, the polygraph would catch that. The shockjock became incoherent at that point and looked silly. Those shockjocks seem to really hate the crime John Walsh admitted to. Rape of 16… Read more »

How old was Walsh and where did he admit to having sex with that 16 y.o.?
I looked through some of those stories on the web but didn’t see THAT.

Consider that the decision was unanimous, and that the lead judge was a law-and-order conservative appointed by George Bush who lambasted the state, so if they try to blame the judge, they might as well vote for David Duke next time around.

Just heard the interview. Clearly they want nothing more than to spout their own opinions and pander to their audience.
Janice, you truly deserve great credit for maintaining decorum despite their inflammatory rhetoric.

Janice,
Is there any way a mailing list of all RCs in the state can be compiled without breaking any laws? I believe that RCs should be made aware of CARSOL and the work that is being done. Lawyers send me advertisements all the time.

Just get a friend who’s not a RC to do that for you..

Great job Janice those people are exactly what we are up against they want to just spout their hate and not listen to any responses they fail to realize that I would bet that over 90% of those that are convicted of the crimes that he was spouting will spend half their life if not all of it in prison. People that commit forceable rape in a teenager or rape little kids will never be on the registry because they will never get out of prison. Even if they do they have went thru extensive treatments and if were considered… Read more »

We must ALL monetarily support Janice and CARSOL, they are our primary advocates in this hostile world! Please! Someday I envision that with her efforts “We Will Overcome!”

Michael asked “How old was Walsh and where did he admit to having sex with that 16 y.o.?
I looked through some of those stories on the web but didn’t see THAT.”

23. He admitted it in an interview. I think I saw it at absolutezerounites.com.

“I never gave much thought to how old Reve was. She was pretty, and she dressed sharp. And there was also that body. We were starting to kind of hang around together. She took me horseback riding, and we went skiing. She was always into her own thing, and I like that. Then one night Tom Roche was sitting around in my place and picked up a copy of that day’s Buffalo Evening News. It was a picture of Reve, who had just won an art contest. ‘Holy Jesus, Mary, and Joseph,’ Tom said. ‘There is a picture of Reve… Read more »

mike said “Anyway from a non violent no contact ex offender from over ten years…”

According to the shockjocks, you don’t exist. Or are not worth discussing.

Whenever a stigma is created, whether it’s against sex offenders; ethnicities or religions, it falsely creates the assumption that “they are all alike”. We would be wise to stop grouping and stigmatizing people as being exactly like all others of a particular distinction. It blurs details and facts, which make ignorant, inaccurate assumptions about a substantial number of people. We then use the faulty conclusions and think we can legislate it away. Perhaps it is in the interest of society to realize it is much more practical, to live amongst each other, striving towards a peaceful society, than divided against… Read more »

There is a chance that any group that marches anywhere may have someone who IS molesting a child. Since 95% of the people caught doing a sex crime are not already on the registry and given that in some instances the perpetrator has been sheltered from justice by family or friends, it seem more likely there is going to be someone who is presently breaking a sex law in a group of non registrants, than in the group that has been convicted. What should make these jerks uncomfortable is the fact 90% of the victims already know their abuser. And… Read more »

On the same note, there are these same sheltered perpetrators that are very loud about punishing current RC to cover-up their actions.

I think what WE need for Carson a Rosa Parks type person. To be clear, Parks was not just “some black woman” who, one day, got fed up sitting at the back of the bus. She was a long time member of the NAACP and was an activist for black civil rights. So her civil disobedience, and the following bus boycott, was well planned. What we need is an RC to go to a Carson park and get arrested. Then sue the heck outta Carson and LA County. I would do it myself, but my offense was a misdemeanor and… Read more »

They should also be a very attractive person, well groomed, articulate, and honest looking. Oh well, never mind.

Like I said, Gerald, I’M not able to do it. 😉

Mike I was that guy…I went into the park ate a sandwich and then went back to the line and got interviewed by KTLA-5 news. It’s not my fault they didn’t arrest me! Why I did it was in the name of my son in whom I saved his life many years ago because I was there to do so. I talked with the local station commander and also a couple of my Orange County sheriff deputies prior to the march and told them what I was going to do. I was true to my son’s life and to my… Read more »

Hi Robert – been watching you speak up for years now. On video, on newspaper articles, using your own name, telling your story. Thank you. Know that your courage is an inspiration and very much appreciated. But I would like to find out… has the publicity affected you in a concrete negative way? I ask because this registry is just so diabolical… it has progressed to this point only because people were afraid to speak out in order to grab on to the promise of anonymity. As long as they manage to get by flying under the radar there will… Read more »

The big issue with public registries, and a lot of modern life for that matter, is they take away the individual’s power to decide what part of him or herself to share with the world. If someone choses to share their real name, great, and doing so could feel empowering. On the other hand, staying anonymous can do the same thing, let you feel you are in control, and you have to think of protecting from harm those close to you. That might be different from one person to another.

Good questions Joe. I’m actually a hairstylist and once salon owner that was involved working directly with the local public for years. Weird but you would think I’d suffered more confrontation, but people are more surprised by the boldness than critical of it. It seems this old soldier’s just not use to hiding in fear. It bothers me when my brothers and sisters on the registry allow fear the foothold in their lives to dictate to them what they will or will not do. Action of any kind is sort of a therapy against that powerlessness. I started coming out… Read more »

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