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  1. CXR

    >Hillary wasn’t rejected, she was the victim of electoral rigging, she won the popular vote. As far as I’m >concerned those little tiny states should not have electoral votes. Two, while she has some responsibility >for Benghazi, the ultimate responsibility falls on the president who has authority to order extra protection >as well. As far as your crooked present elect goes, the rich will get richer, and the poor, poorer. I’ve never >seen a Republican do anything for poor people, or the middle class, ever.

    Rick, as a historian you should know that Jack Kemp helped the poor and middle class. Even with gay rights, some Republicans are not so bad. Even back in the 80’s, in California, there was a Republican named Mike Curb, who was pro-gay rights. Let’s not make inaccurate blanket statements.

    • Rick

      Lol, Hey, I’m just human, sometimes I do make blanket statements, esp in politics. I never claimed to be perfect. I’m just wondering why you find my posts so worthwhile to respond too? I’m starting to feel picked on? To be honest, I felt Hillary was going to lose, and now I don’t care, it’s over. I don’t even really know why I supported her, her husband literally enabled all of this RC crap. And i was always leary she would make it worse for us. I think it was just a lot of what trump said that bothered me, I’m glad she lost now. Wow, but you had to do some serious research to bring up jack Kemp.Never heard of Mike curb, but I bet he was kicked to the curb, haha.

  2. David Kennerly

    Sex Offender Cases Before the Supreme Court, from 1997-to-date.

    Out of my own frustration trying to keep track of a number of cases (14, that I can find, so far), the Court’s decisions and, perhaps most importantly, WHO voted and WHICH WAY and are they DEMOCRATS or REPUBLICANS (this seems to be a hotly debated topic here recently), I’ve put together a handy spreadsheet providing the answers to those intriguing questions. For each case, there is a brief summary of the issue and the question before the Court, the final ruling and how each Justice voted with color coding to indicate rulings favorable or adverse to us as well as political affiliations of each of the Justices and the Presidents who appointed them.

    I would like to suggest a webpage with a table for this data, if our webmaster would be so kind and willing.

  3. David Kennerly

    Here is a paper which looks to be useful:

    Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology
    Volume 103 | Issue 4 Article 3
    Fall 2013
    U.S. Supreme Court Decisions and Sex Offender
    Legislation: Evidence of Evidence-Based Policy?
    Christina Mancini
    Daniel P. Mears

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjB4Y_5oK3QAhUE7SYKHRdSAugQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fscholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu%2Fcgi%2Fviewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D7465%26context%3Djclc&usg=AFQjCNGW8eg_Dcl9ETz668KmprvCzhAnig&sig2=UAqzqtmAQNULXT6jM1w2gA

  4. someone who cares

    So, there is a new movie coming out called “The Edge of Seventeen”. It is rated “R” for sexual content, language and drinking – all involving teens. The main character is dating a much older guy. It has 7.1 stars on IMDB so it looks like the majority likes it and sees NOHTING wrong with teens and sexuality. Just wondering.

  5. David Kennerly

    BI database linked with Interpol now running in 10 int’l airports

    This is referring to the Philippines Bureau of Immigration.

    http://globalnation.inquirer.net/149717/bi-database-linked-with-interpol-now-running-in-10-intl-airports#ixzz4QIk9P7G6
    Follow us: @inquirerdotnet on Twitter | inquirerdotnet on Facebook

  6. David Kennerly

    “Are Sex Offenders Human? New documentaries can’t get past the question.”

    This from our friend Judith Levine.

    http://thebaffler.com/blog/sex-offenders-human-levine-meiners

  7. Proud American

    This Thanksgiving I want to show my appreciation to the great Land of the Free. Thank you for keeping me in chains for most of my life. Thank you for rescinding your part of our deal & punishing me for years after my part of the deal was satisfied. Thank you so much for including my family & the ones I love in my present & future punishments; can’t forget about them now, can we? And for the most part thank you for reminding me why you would treat me this way. Sometime before the colonies were established in 1776, white Englishman came overseas to this wild land & blatantly killed native Americans by the thousands. They stole this land with the blood of Indians on their hands. What they don’t mention in jr. high history is these honourable soldiers tortured & raped many Indian women before murdering them. Now I have to watch what’s happening at standing rock, in 2016, & realize that we’re the same exact brutal people we were back then; the same we’ve always been! A progressive nation of 240 years & we tell these people,”We’ve taken your land before. And by God, just try & stop us from taking it again!” By the way, Happy Thanksgiving to the soiux tribe! It appears this time we’re gonna skip breaking bread with you & go straight to the torture & brutality. This is the American attitude we as registrants have to live with everyday; except instead of land our freedom has been taken away. But the inbred hatred and hostility is the same and the opinion that something should be taken from you because you don’t deserve it or I need it more than you. This of all things is what makes me a Proud American. We murder people to steal their land; we lock people up for money and even after their sentence is up we find ways to continue making money off their suffering. God bless America! Proud to be an American where I’ll never truly be free! True freedom only belongs to the privileged. Now it seems, once again, with the battle for land with the Indians, American history has come around full circle. I hope this is the prelude to the civil war I’ve been expecting. I will stand shoulder to shoulder with my brothers and fight against the powers of oppression. When I go down, I’ll go down fighting! And when it’s my time; I pray for a quick and painless death! What a great country we live in. Begin the Revolution! Happy Thanksgiviing!
    -Proud American

  8. george

    Hi all important question,

    Me and the wife just found out shes pregnant. Is there any law saying i cant have a child/or cant be around him/her. Im in CA. Just want to know if i should go to court now to fight for the right now. Convicted of felony but consensual from years ago.

  9. See an attorney

    Seek legal advice from an attorney with your case info

  10. Special Treatment for Law Enforcement

    This story is so upsetting, this cop avoids jail and registration, yet i will have to register for the rest of all life for have four picture files of a sixteen year old. John Walsh can sleep with a sixteen year old and its Ok, but for the rest of us that make a mistake forget about it, its all over.

    http://www.marinij.com/article/NO/20161017/NEWS/161019820

    • Where is the public outrage on this?

      Shouldn’t people be asking for the DA’s and Judge’s removal? A petition perhaps? An article of special treatment for law enforcement by the town crier? If the jail population got wind he was a LE and did this, he would be beat down for sure had he been put in the can! Just read other stories like he where that outcome happened. Was this for his own safety? What is this because he was white and LE? Where is the justice in this from the same general area as the Stanford and Oakland PD cases? Why is no one letting Jerry’s office in Sacramento know? This stinks….

    • Renny

      “Ramirez will not have to register as a sex offender.”

      Shocking. /s

  11. ReadyToFight

    Does the Registry NOT violate our 13th Amendment? Among others.
    I feel as tho our biggest handicap as a group is that we are severely unorganized. Always stuck in defense mode.
    Can we get some PDF’s on this site?
    From both ACSOL and us the voice.
    Ones designed to inform the uninformed and others to rally those of us not yet apart of this site to show up, stand up, and push back.

    • New Person

      I’ve tried to get an answer as to why involuntary servitude isn’t a viable option, especially here in Cali where the term is a lifetime term, which should be a red flag for involuntary servitude. On ML, it says it is a “duty” to register.

      I think it’s b/c everyone is trying to connect registration to punishment and neglecting that involuntary servitude is prohibited unless to punish a crime. You’d think that would scream a great opportunity, but it hasn’t.

      • Timmr

        I like your argument. As for duty, we have a duty (for most of us) to pay taxes, but non registrants get something in return, police protection. Duty to register should be called inverse duty or involutary servitude. What we get out of it is not protection but endangerment for ouselves and family and enrichment of those administering the registry scheme. Indeed it is beyond that, we have been classed as dangerous commodities to be regulated under the pretense of public safety. Commodities don’t have rights, just uses. What part of the Constitution bans the State from taking away your humanity?

        • David Kennerly

          The Thirteenth Amendment states: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

          But, of course, we’re not being punished. We’re being ‘civilly regulated’ even though our ‘duty’ to register confers no ‘consideration’ upon us, i.e., we receive nothing in return for having fulfilled that duty. We are, not only NOT being compensated for this duty, we are tangibly damaged by it.

          And yet, the courts have found nothing in this duty to register and in a way which both punishes us and leaves us uncompensated, to be unconstitutional.

          Note that some states actually CHARGE Registrants for the ‘duty’ to register. This clearly communicates the idea that they are being punished without consideration.

          Still, the courts accommodate this central conceit of ‘non-punishment.’

        • David Kennerly

          Here are some academic papers that may be worthwhile:

          ‘THE IRONIC PROMISE OF THE THIRTEENTH AMENDMENT FOR OFFENDER ANTI-DISCRIMINATION LAW’ by Taja-Nia Y. Henderson

          https://law.lclark.edu/live/files/16473-lcb174art5hendersonpdf

          ‘Database Infamia: Exit from the Sex Offender Registries’ by Wayne A. Logan

          http://wisconsinlawreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Logan-Final.pdf

          ‘The New Civil Death: Rethinking Punishment in the Era of Mass Conviction’
          by Gabriel J. Chin

          https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi2v8C3-8XQAhUGjlQKHdJkAQAQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fscholarship.law.upenn.edu%2Fcgi%2Fviewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1067%26context%3Dpenn_law_review&usg=AFQjCNFLTrelZlkiZqdaXCVm1DkUkg7nuA&sig2=n2tU1TV8sCrTZF6uMkOZmA

          ‘The Thirteenth Amendment: Slavery, Involuntary Servitude, and the Convict-labor Exception’ by Andrea C. Armstrong

          http://racism.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1404:may041202&catid=137&Itemid=155&showall=1&limitstart=

        • Thanks David Kennerly

          I really enjoy your postings of helpful info…seriously….you provide good stuff to reference and understand I never would have thought about digging up or even know where to start.

        • Timmr

          I see judges and legislators do some mental gymnastics to get around the obvious. They are framing this as a national emergency, during which civil rights must be subverted to maintain the safety of the most vulnerable of citizens, children. Exibit A: the frightening and high myth. It is very similar to the Red Threat or “murderers and rapists” crossing the border. Notice how the latter incorporates both xenophobia and fear of sex offenders. I am really disturbed we are nearly invisible to the major civil rights organizations, these laws haven’t raised many red flags and they are not connecting the dots. Only with this Muslim registry comes some concern, but they are not making any connections to the SOR. Commodities don’t have human feelings or rights.

        • New Person

          David! Thank you so much for all the resources.

          In one article, it denoted how we do not know the protections of the 13th amendment for those no longer under custody. That is many of us!

          According to many of the papers, registration is a form of collateral consequences. Under this venue, there are two cases that denote that collateral consequences are deemed unconstitutional. Weems v United states came down with this :


          Two Supreme Court cases invalidating punishments analogous to
          civil death suggest the punitive nature of civil death. In Weems v. United
          States159 and Trop v. Dulles,160 the Court found total destruction of a person’s
          legal status in society to be cruel and unusual punishment under
          the Eighth Amendment.
          Weems originated in the Philippines which was a U.S. territory at the
          time. The Court in Weems invalidated the cadena temporal, a punishment
          where, for a period of years, the person sentenced would be
          imprisoned and perform hard labor for the State.161 In addition to the
          hard labor, those sentenced to cadena temporal would thereafter suffer
          “accessory penalties,”162 namely, “civil interdiction,”163 “perpetual absolute
          disqualification,”164 and “subjection to surveillance during life.”165
          The Court regarded these penalties, clearly recognizable as versions of
          modern collateral consequences, as harsh

          His prison bars and chains are removed, it is true, after twelve years, but he
          goes from them to a perpetual limitation of his liberty. He is forever kept
          under the shadow of his crime, forever kept within voice and view of the
          criminal magistrate, not being able to change his domicil without giving
          notice to the “authority immediately in charge of his surveillance,” and
          without permission in writing. He may not seek, even in other scenes and
          among other people, to retrieve his fall from rectitude. Even that hope is
          taken from him and he is subject to tormenting regulations that, if not so
          tangible as iron bars and stone walls, oppress as much by their continuity,
          and deprive of essential liberty.166

          The Court was also concerned about the portion of the sentence involving
          painful labor,167 and it is difficult to identify precisely what about
          the nature and degree of cadena temporal made it unconstitutional.168
          Nevertheless, the “accessory penalties” were a basis,169 perhaps the
          most important basis, for the Court’s ruling.170

          Odd…the lifetime surveillance identified in this PDF article is glaring! It is also identified as “accessory penalties”.

          Registration is an accessory penalty. It is beyond a penalty because it now constitutes a duty to work for the state for free. This duty supersedes an ex-convicts concurrent duty (occupation) outside from the state’s obligatory duty to register – that is eerily the same description for probation, which is considered punishment.

          Regulation is a restriction, but registering is a service the goes beyond a restriction. That is where registration crosses the line from civil regulation to civil duty service. This civil duty service is specifically only for one type of convict in a blanket.

          It is indisputable that registration is a service, especially once after punishment custody has been completed. This is not like dropping a postcard as conferred about in the 2003 SCOTUS decision. This is now taking ample time away from one’s life, and at times, may have to set an appointment.

          The 13th amendment protects people from involuntary servitude unless it is to punish a crime. Using the layman’s direct interpretation, the only way to have compelled service is via punishment of a crime – thus enabling the term “punitive”. Since registration service is “not punishment”, then it should become viable to components of involuntary servitude. This is a civil rights matter now.

          So what exactly prompts involuntary servitude?

          Involuntary servitude cannot be regulatory because it is identified that it can only be applied when it is punishment. Therefore, it cannot be both. You cannot compel service outside the jurisdiction of punishment as it is prohibited in the California and US Constitution.

          The consequence for failing to do said service is to be hunted down, penalized, and then returned back to service. That severe dominance has been identified as a significant trait of involuntary servitude.

          They pertinent word his “service”. If everyone is in agreement that registration is a dutiful service, then it doesn’t matter if it’s regulatory as the 13th amendment protects from any form of involuntary servitude with the exception to punish a crime.

          Again, I posit a scenario where one must choose between two services: your occupation and registration. If they both align at the same time, then you are forced to chose registration or be hunted down, penalized, and returned back to service of registration.

          The 13th amendment was there to prevent collateral consequences as it clearly identifies any service outside of punishment that is compelled is prohibited unless to punish a crime.

          California judges are all on board this “regulatory” scheme to avoid all kinds of punishment, but this regulatory scheme cannot escape involuntary servitude.

          I’ve completed my punishment service. So what exactly is this additional service that domineers me to register by legal consequential coercion of punishment?

        • Timmr

          Due to the depressing nature of the material you listed, I am going to take a break before I read the last piece. Two things that have made an impression on me:
          1. The scope and breath of those suffering under severe collateral consequences. About one fifth of the nation’s population has experienced an exposure to criminal penalties and and is arguably suffering continued disabilities. Expand that to families of ex offenders.
          2. The momentum in the courts and the legislatures is to keep this ball rolling.
          The existence of this population should be a concern for those in power, particularly those who have done wrong themselves and have used their privilege to avoid collateral consequences for themselves and their families. Watch out for a revolution and the response to control it.

        • David Kennerly aka “The Human Equivalent of Toxic Waste"

          I forgot another paper from THE DUKE JOURNAL OF GENDER LAW & POLICY. Ordinarily, I am pretty skeptical of “Gender Studies” work but this was pretty interesting:

          “TRANSCENDENT HOMOSEXUALS AND DANGEROUS SEX OFFENDERS:
          SEXUAL HARM AND FREEDOM IN THE JUDICIAL IMAGINARY
          by JOSEPH J. FISCHEL”
          *** https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiq85DXwcrQAhWmxVQKHYJZCG8QFgglMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fscholarship.law.duke.edu%2Fdjglp%2Fvol17%2Fiss2%2F1%2F&usg=AFQjCNF1fRIGc3alImX5Mj8kCeDlygZdyw&sig2=aZ1xWXEXBGUl3rsoEngALg&bvm=bv.139782543,d.cGw ***

        • Timmr

          Thanks again, Toxic, errrr, David.

        • David Kennerly, Who Remains Mildly Radioactive To This Very Day

          You’re welcome, Timmr!

  12. Gerald Cervente

    I would like some feedback,I have for the last 5 years been retired,my son is starting a business
    doing computer repair ,network installations ect.He wants me to work with him,I would only repair computer problems.He will have an office space,I would work 3 days a week,taking in the repair
    work,working the phone and repairing things.I just registered my yearly report,and put retired on the form,do I have to go back and do it again because of this job,or is it done on my next yearly.One time in the past
    my car broke and had to be replaced,I went to redo the annual,with the new car,a detective came out and said,do this on your next annual you don’t have to do it now.I have been off probation for more than 30 years.

    • Steveo

      Gerald,

      Not sure what your question is, but if it’s about the car, you should probably just do what the detective said to do and not worry about it. If you are worried, you might just be able to call in and update the info. Go work with your son, try to enjoy it, and don’t stress out over this stuff.

  13. Steveo

    I have a question about Puerto Rico. Does anyone have any info on living there? Any lawyers that you can recommend. I might need to move there with my wife for about 6 to 12 months for a business opportunity.

  14. David Kennerly

    Sandy Rozek of RSOL has written a powerful piece on the collateral consequences of the Registry in yesterday’s Washington Examiner.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sex-offender-registries-discourage-rehabilitation/article/2608032#.WDg_KbGLSnE.twitter

  15. David Kennerly aka “The Human Equivalent of Toxic Waste"

    From Bill Dobbs, a link to a criminal defense blog, AppelateSquack:

    SORA: The human cost of junk science
    *** https://appellatesquawk.wordpress.com/2016/08/04/sora-the-human-cost-of-junk-science/ ***

    The following is very good for pondering the ‘regulatory vs. punishment’ issues and legislative intent and from which my new moniker denoting my toxicity is derived:

    But seriously folks – SORA is punishment
    *** https://appellatesquawk.wordpress.com/but-seriously-folks-sora-is-punishment/ ***

    There’s also this short-and-fun piece which refers to a ‘contest’ to solicit designs for the new sex offender passport:

    Homeland Security announces contest for best sex offender passport design
    *** https://appellatesquawk.wordpress.com/2016/09/29/homeland-security-announces-contest-for-best-sex-offender-passport-design/ ***

    • David Kennerly aka “The Human Equivalent of Toxic Waste"

      This piece may be the best from this blog, however:

      SORA AND THE COURTS

      *** https://appellatesquawk.wordpress.com/sora-points/ ***

      • Timmr aka Tier 2 Humanoid Hazardous Substance

        Thank you David.

      • New Person

        Great read! thanks for the article!

        In all those links, it reveals how the 2003 decision stated things that were supposedly not accounted for and therefore merely conjecture.

        We now have ample proof that the level of shaming has increased, the fact the label prevents parents from participating in their Children’s activities at school, and the actual empirical data to refute “high and frightening” recidivism.

        The deterrence of employment and housing is important b/c it was a comment in the 2003 decision that said wasn’t effected, but tell that to all those in in Florida under a bridge. The deterrence all falls into the Bill of Attainder.

        The 2003 decision was very naive in its decision as they did state all these things that were possible, but often concluded them as conjecture. Now look where we are at.

        Welp, this type of thinking was the same type of thinking for the judge in Ca that dismissed the suit against the IML – saying it isn’t ripe and therefore we cannot predict the consequences or constitutionality of it. This is akin to saying, “You have to pass the bill in order to know what’s in the bill,” by Ca representative Nancy Pelosi.

        I’m very happy that the Michigan was able to not only point out the distinctions of rise in penalty (which, in their courts are punitive), but include the empirical data to converge upon the premises set in the 2003 courts.

        One idea in the article from the NY SORA that struck a chord with me is that SORA doesn’t have a pathway for rehabilitation. Similarly, there isn’t one for the Cali. This lifetime term is very punitive as there is no direct path for rehabilitation. CoR doesn’t count b/c it’s for all. BTW, the California Constitution says the every Californian has a “right to obtain privacy” as part of their inalienable rights. So why isn’t there a direct pathway to relief from registration since it’s purely invasion of privacy? The state took away 1203.4, which a direct pathway because they said registration isn’t a punishment. So where is this pathway to obtain privacy for registrants? Lifetime term with no pathway to obtain privacy runs contrary to California’s Constitution.

        Mailing in a postcard is not the same as being forced to go into the Police station to do the service of registration. That “forced” service crosses the line of regulation because you are also force to take a picture and give you thumb prints every single time like you were just arrested for a crime. A DNA sample is enough. Fingerprints rarely change. Why no other ex-offenders share the same shaming.

        So this forced service is for a lifetime with no compensation and your are completely domineered by the state under penalty of law if you stop doing said service as a person who is no longer under custody.

        The key word here is “service”. Involuntary servitude isn’t bound by punitive measures. You can have your own occupation and mail in a postcard whenever. If you have an occupation and you have to register in person, then you are forced to make arrangements with you occupation (or lose your occupation) in order to fulfill coming into the Police station in person, wait for certain time, fill in paper work, wait for a certain time, go into a room to have your picture taken, fingerprints done, and sign more paperwork to make sure you never escape your past for the rest of your life.

        You are compelled to the do the registration “service” or you will be hunted down, penalized, and then put back into service. Which is the fourth factor in determining involuntary servitude:

        1. Contract (it’s part of the statute)
        2. Term (lifetime term contract… really??? as a person not in custody?)
        3. Compensation (there is no compensation for said work. I gave an example where registration will have to supersede your actual occupation if you have one – also, imposing a deterrence for employment)
        4. Domineering (if you don’t comply with this service, then you will be hunted down, penalized, and put back to service. there is no escaping this service.)

        If you’re no longer under any supervisory custody from the state, then they cannot compel you to do a service. They can regulate your whereabouts, i suppose, but forcing you to do a service outside of custody is supposed to be protected under the 13th Amendment (US) and California Constitution. This is akin to telling you, “Hey… every year on your birthday, come down to town, put yourself in this stockade for about an hour and a half for all to see for the rest of your life even if you have been considered rehabilitated under 1203.4 b/c all doesn’t really mean relief from all penalties and disabilities.”

        BTW, registration is a disability as it disables one’s movement for a decade. If you move out of the state, then your pathway to the CoR has to be re-set. This is important b/c being a registrants limits your opportunity for licensed occupations. Actually, if we can prove that registration limits employment and/or housing opportunities, then we can re-visit 1203.4 to actually relieve registration disability. Or in contemporary issues, the disability to participate in your child’s education at school.

  16. HOOKSCAR

    I haven’t talked to my family for about 4 years now. I have lost all my family and friends. I have only my son and fiancé in my life. I have been in my depression for about 10 years. Can’t imagine life happy when I have a sword always above my head. Know that I am close. Close to ending this torment that will always follow me, my son. I don’t leave my house. Keep to myself. No hope that this will stop. Every year the government comes to my home to remind me. That is 17+ visits. Feel like I’m being kicked, I get up only to get kicked and beat down again. Eventually, anyone will break.
    I made a mistake 17 years ago. I went through a brain tumor 15 years ago. Had to learn to walk, talk and eat again. Went from wheelchair, to walker to cane. I am tired. Literally tired. Don’t have holidays anymore. Had surf and turf for thanksgiving. I don’t think we’ll have a Christmas tree this year. SSI doesn’t pay that much, so only my son will have a present this year. How sad is that.
    I think the most depressing issue though, is that everyone talks about what should be done and criticizes that what is. I started a petition. Asked the moderator to post it promenantly so that it could be seen and we as a group could sign it. Even contacted W.A.R. So that it would be visible on their website. You know how many people have signed? 16. That’s it. 16. Shows me the real interest in abolishing this registry. We are just pawns in a political game that is directed at our heart, mind and souls destruction. Plain and simple. Congratulations America, you managed to be a copy of the third Reich. Can’t wait to see what Trump has up his sleeves.
    After visiting this site every day, multiple times a day for a few years, I have come to the conclusion that it really doesn’t matter what you say or what Janice tries. This “registry” is so ingrained in our society, and now throughout the world, that it will never go away. It isn’t about “saving 1 child”, or anyone for that matter. Just money. From us to the entities that support this regime. All about the sawbuck.
    I have come to the realization that people will criticize me, but let’s be honest, you can go to meetings, protest and voice your opinion, but it will fall on deaf ears. Ask yourself this…. with all the empirical evidence and facts that have been accumulated over the years, why have there not been any significant changes? Why have the entities that be have not done anything? All boils down to this, we are a commodity, just a number that has a dollar sign on it. This will never go away. We will always be pariahs. Outcasts. Like my father said, I want nothing to do with you or your offspring. Happy Holidays.

    • abolishtheregistry.com

      Don’t give up HOOKSCAR. I’m in the same boat. My brother and sisters snubbed me as did my friends. Only one family member has stood by me although a tiny amount reluctant she has really stepped up.

      I will challenge the registry. You have no reason to believe I suppose but I will. It isn’t going to be quick but it is a solid plan. The outcome isn’t guaranteed bit we all need to try right?

      There are people that care.

    • Roger

      HOOKSCAR, all of us can fall into depression if we isolate and focus on what is bad. The key is for us to communicate with others and focus on our blessings, no matter how few they may seem to be.

      Just a few years ago, NOBODY was fighting for us. I don’t know what pro-RC organizations are in your state, but now we have national organizations fighting for us like ACSOL, National RSOL, and ACLU (they supported us in the Public Safety committee hearings in Sacramento).

      Those of us who went to Sacramento can attest to seeing how our efforts have changed the opinions of politicians. I posted an account of talking to a rabidly-anti-RC protestor at a hearing and seeing her realize that RCs can choose to not reoffend.

      If Californian RCs hadn’t fought, anti-RC laws would have forced us to live out of town or in industrial parts of town, we couldn’t go most places in town (libraries, parks, etc.), we’d be wearing GPS anklets, we’d have to report all our internet usage, and many other bad laws that would make our lives a living hell. But since most of us who are not on parole/probation DON’T have to do those things, it is proof that fighting works.

      African Americans have faced discrimination for centuries. They are still being beaten up by cops for marching for their rights. But they haven’t given up. They keep uniting and fighting, and they have made tremendous progress in civil rights. When progress slips backward, they unite and fight to move forward again.

      We are doing that, HOOKSCAR. We are fighting for our civil rights.

      It’s not easy. We face hatred and fear, but we are making progress.

      Stay with us, HOOKSCAR. Keep in the fight.

    • New Person

      Hookscar,

      I share your “unrequited toil” of despair. I want to move forward, but the registration is a constant proverbial chain that says you really aren’t free despite paying for it already – and you never will.

      Coming here day after day… hurts more than feels good. Some days I don’t want to come here so I don’t get depressed.

      There is hope. Not from California, but from Michigan. Michigan courts actually stood up and announced the empirical findings as well as made connections to the 2003 decision. California has its CASOMB, but neglects its own empirical findings – hinging upon 2003 decision as the pinnacle law of the land that cannot be reviewed.

      Michigan spoke up the loudest. Other states have spoken up. California is unrelenting as it is willing to cede fringes. Please note that the housing restriction (re:Taylor) only applies to those who are on parole; not any one outside of custody – this notice was given to me at my last registration service. Janice said she will be suing the state on this still. I hope she continues. California’s ACLU doesn’t come to the forefront. I think it’s all fiscal reasons why the ACLU doesn’t want to do this.

      California is weird. It’s got sanctuary cities. Meaning people who are not citizens have more constitutional rights than registrants.

      There’s hope, Hookscar. At least, that’s what I tell myself to help me get through the day. Michigan gives us hope. Also, watch for the NC internet thing being brought up to the SCOTUS. (I almost forgot about that one.) A couple more states like Michigan will force the SCOTUS to revisit its 2003 decision. The comparison between 2003 and today is vast. I’m not counting on California. So I’m hoping other states will follow Michigan’s lead.

  17. ML

    If anyone has any information to share about travel to Mexico, please send an email to latintravel@registranttag.org. I received contact today and was told by a man with a home in Mexico, with contact with a notario and attorney with immigration contacts, that the US is telling Mexico not to allow entry.
    Evidently Mexico has new computers funded by the USA. There is a quid pro quo about sharing information, which is one sided because Mexico does not have a registry. He said that he was at the border immigration station and was detained along with a Mexican citizen who has to register in the USA and the Mexican citizen was not allowed entry. They were escorted back at the same time.
    If we have people that have made any progress or others who just want to help, please send us your contact info.
    Thanks and good luck

    • hh

      I’m a bit confused by your post. Hasn’t Mexico been denying registrants entry for years now? What has changed ? Maybe I’m not understanding your post. Please clarify 🙂

      • ML

        Mexico has evidently been returning RC’s when they were notified by the USA. Once an RC is in their database, any time you try to get a visa the RC has been returned. What my contact is telling me conflicts with what we have been told by our government. Our government says that they only notify other countries. According to this last contact, Mexico is denying because the USA tells them not to allow entry. If anyone has a copy of the document that a RC is asked to sign upon arrival, please contact the RTAG group or contact latintravel@registranttag.org
        Thanks

  18. Biol57

    I read this quote today, albeit it an old quote, I thought it was fitting to share with the group as this seems to describe the self-fueling unfounded fears about registered citizens.

    “We all have a tendency to think that the world must conform to our prejudices. The opposite view involves some effort of thought, and most people would die sooner than think – in fact they do so.”
    – Bertrand Russell

  19. LM

    Trump just tapped Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) for AG.

    Fasten your seat belts. It’s gonna be a bumpy ride.

    We are done.

    • Roger

      I disagree, LM. We are not “done”. Pro-RC group members will continue our work from both the top and the bottom of the court system and legislative systems. We will have both wins and losses, but we WILL have wins.

      Many regulations are local, not national, so each of us in our own states can be effective in fighting them, as we have successfully done in California. I recommend you take a more active part in that so you can see how you can be part of the change.

      Don’t give up hope. The statistics on how badly anti-RC laws have worked are beginning to be noticed by the states, which is beginning to cause debates about their effectiveness that weren’t occurring before.

  20. ONE DAY AT A TIME

    Illegal arrests and imprisonments caused by Alameda County court’s “disaster” filing system:

    In at least two instances (a drug offender, as reported by nbcbayarea) was uploaded as a sex offender into the system. And several times people have mistakenly been arrested and jailed due to the new computer system flaws and likely employee errors learning the software. Lawsuits are likely.

    http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/11/04/illegal-arrests-and-imprisonments-caused-by-alameda-county-courts-disaster-filing-system/

  21. Redeemed1

    I was just in the process of trying to submit a resume to a company and came across this:

    “Have you been convicted of a felony involving dishonesty, breach of trust or a violation of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act?”

    I am not sure how to answer this. I tried to do some research online and some sites suggested that this statement only applies to financial fraud, whereas other sites tended to state that it covers pretty much everything. In my case, I am off the hit-list in my state,so no worries there. It has been over 11 years since my conviction, and I’m not sure if my conviction would show up in a BG check or not. I’m still confused as to whether most companies go back 7 years, or not?

    Anyone have any advice or suggestions? Thanks in advance for any help!!!

  22. Timmr

    I’m checking in to see if the registry has been defeated yet.
    I take it that’s a no.

    • Harry

      Timmr, It will happen as soon as a big time, pro-SOR, big shot’s kid gets put on it.

  23. Lake County

    BBC.com: Every person is redeemable’ – my job treating rapists

    “My work has opened my eyes to human behaviour. In many ways sex offenders are all different”

    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-37084832

  24. David Kennerly, mild-to-moderate levels of radioactivity

    http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/29/the-trouble-with-trump-scotus-contender ***

    Judge William H. Pryor Jr. of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit appears to be a top contender to fill Scalia’s seat. This is bad because, in addition to being staunchly socially conservative, he is also an outspoken supporter of judicial deference, the “deference” being to lawmakers’ horrible laws. They willingly overlook injustice because they don’t see correcting it as their job. This trend in our Supreme Court is why we have Smith v. Doe.

    He argued for the state in Lawrence v. Texas, the anti-sodomy case. A few of his written gems:

    “It should be noted, again, that the Texas statute in
    question does not criminalize petitioners’ sexual
    orientation, which may or may not be a matter of choice
    and thus may arguably be protected from state
    discrimination by the Equal Protection Clause of the
    Fourteenth Amendment. Rather, the Texas antisodomy
    statute criminalizes petitioners’ sexual activity,
    which is indisputably a matter of choice. Petitioners’
    protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, a
    constitutional right that protects “the choice of one’s
    partner” and “whether and how to connect sexually”
    must logically extend to activities like prostitution,
    adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child
    pornography, and even incest and pedophilia (if the
    child should credibly claim to be “willing”). For all intents
    and purposes, petitioners seek to enshrine as the defining
    tenet of modern constitutional
    jurisprudence the sophomoric libertarian mantra from
    the musical “Hair”: “be free, be whatever you are, do
    whatever you want to do, just as long as you don’t hurt
    anybody.”82 Bracketing for the moment the dubious
    proposition that any human behavior is purely selfaffecting,
    suffice it to say that so expansive and
    undisciplined an interpretation of the Fourteenth
    Amendment would constitute a radical departure from
    the historical analysis that this Court has always
    employed in its fundamental rights jurisprudence. It
    would embrace the very principle rejected by this Court
    in Roe v. Wade, that “one has an unlimited right to do
    with one’s body as one pleases.”83 And it would ignore
    this Court’s admonition in Glucksberg that the
    Fourteenth Amendment does not protect “any and all
    important, intimate, and personal decisions.”84
    Contrary to the cliché so tritely tossed about in
    freshman poli-sci courses, the States can and must
    legislate morality.85 John Stuart Mill is not a founding
    father. 86 “Every society in civilized time . . . has
    traditionally concerned itself with the moral soundness
    of its people.”87 The mark of a free society is not just
    the right of the individual “to define [his or her] own
    concept of existence . . . and of the mystery of human
    life.”88 It is also the right of the individual to join with
    other individuals and form communities that define
    and order themselves according to shared beliefs.
    Human beings are by their nature social creatures,
    with concerns for the physical and moral welfare of
    others besides themselves. And “in a democratic
    society legislatures, not courts, are constituted to
    respond to the will and consequently the moral values
    of the people.”

    …The States should not be
    required to accept, as a matter of constitutional
    doctrine, that homosexual activity is harmless and does
    not expose both the individual and the public to
    deleterious spiritual and physical consequences. Those
    who object to traditional attitudes about homosexual conduct should take their case to the legislatures of the
    States, where the views and experiences of all citizens
    can be considered and shaped into a consensus policy.
    When the text and history of the Constitution is silent
    about the existence of a particular right, the legislature
    is the proper place for recognition of the new right.
    The courtroom is not. ”

    Let’s hope that this bastard isn’t our new Justice.

    • One bad potential SCOTUS nominee

      Of the police state, by the police state, for the police state….probably for the use of thermal imaging devices too as patrol’s ride through the neighborhoods looking into people’s homes.

      Good article over on Reason.com……this is one bad mofo that has no place in the justice system….thanks for the tip on him…..if Bork could be denied, maybe this guy can too if he is the eventual nominee….

  25. mike r

    good to see your still active here lake…

    • lovewillprevail

      ML, thank you for the link. I just read the opinion. Wow! What good news. It appears the Supreme Court is now in the position of doing nothing and letting both the 4th and 6th Federal Appeals Court rulings stand which will help shoot down quite a few sex offender statutes across the country or to actually address the unconstitutionality of sex offender statutes. This puts the SC in a position they probably do not want.

      I hope the SC just lets the ruling stand because I do not trust the SC, especially with a new conservative judge to be put on the court. Yes, I know, a conservative judge wrote the 4th opinion, but in general, it has been proven in two independent scientific studies that conservative people tend to put ideology before facts,especially when the facts contradict the ideology. I also do not trust the SC to rule in our favor and basically admit they made a major error in its earlier price club case. Judges do not like to admit when they make a mistake.

      I remember earlier reading about this case at the district level where the state said they had evidence to present and an expert to support the state but the state could not provide evidence and could not find an expert to back up the state. The district judge slammed the state for passing a statute where no evidence existed to support the state taking away people’s constitutional rights. The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals also slammed the state for the exact same thing in its opinion.

      This is good in the long run, states are now put on notice they must provide evidence to court as to why our constitutional rights are being taken away. The states have no evidence…

  26. David

    AirBnB sent me an email today notifying me that – as the result of something they found while running a background check – they have permanently disabled my AirBnB account. Interesting. I’ve been an active member for two years with no problem.
    (If I’m such a scary bad dude, I wonder if they apologized to all the people I rented from for putting them “at risk”?)
    What next…some government putz putting a unique identifier on my passport?
    ** Frustrated. When does this sh!t end?**

    • David Kennerly

      Yes, that is bad news. I have been hoping to make some additional income from an unrented unit. I will have to check the alternatives to AirBnB and hope that one of them is not so craven. I’m not at all hopeful, however.

    • hh

      This is never ending. It’s mind boggling to me how any of this is legal. I would imagine that might be a good case for Janice to pick up and win. But I’m not an attorney – check with her. It’s ridiculous you cannot rent in Airbnb.

      • David Kennerly

        I don’t think that this can be challenged in court. Airbnb can check the Registry and act on that information. That’s the problem with the Registry; the government provides it and a company can check it and legally refuse to do business with you. As it stands, neither the government nor those consulting the Registry can be held liable for exercising lawful discretionary choices. Indeed, this appears to be the way that the Registry works as intended.

        • AirBnB is within their rights

          It cannot. Best Value Inn checks the registry of all its guests if it is not declared when registering for the night to stay when they initially inquire. AirBnB is within their rights as a business.

  27. mike r

    exactly people it’s coming man….where is the evidence to justify all these laws including the entire registration scheme….watch it’s coming and its soooooo long over due….

  28. mike r

    this decision needs it’s own thread…after reading this i am ecstatic how perfectly aligned this is with what I’ve been saying forever now….justification, empirical evidence, facts man…there are zero facts to support a registry in any form..zero…good luck government on producing such evidence or even finding any expert witnesses to even back up their unsubstantiated claims….this is an incredible decision and articulated perfectly for my motion…god I’m stoked on this and am totally remotivated to continue drafting it…..beautiful….

  29. mike r

    great job ml for bringing this to us on here and providing the link…this is very encouraging…

    • David

      OMG!! This DOES appear to be some pretty good news! Thank God- I really needed a boost today! ☺☺☺
      Thank you for posting the link, ML!

  30. David

    “President Obama must immediately revoke the regulatory framework of the Bush-era registry program called National Security Entry-Exit Registration System (NSEERS), which predominantly targeted Muslim immigrants based on their countries of origin. In the hands of Donald Trump, this program can potentially be used to target, register, and deport Muslims….”*
    A Registry? Come on now, what Country would create such a Registry?
    *from an email I received

  31. David

    I don’t understand why this great idea hasn’t caught on ….. Register the World, I say! And make everyone complete a form every time they see a movie, drink a coffee, buy a Christmas tree, or fly a kite!
    [sarcasm]

  32. David Kennerly

    “Two Federal Courts Call BS on Banning Sex Offenders From ‘Child Safety Zones'” by Jacob Sullum, for Reason Magazine.

    Reason is a libertarian publication and has done more to bring attention to the injustice we face than any other with the possible exception of The Nation which is leftist.

    http://reason.com/blog/2016/12/05/two-federal-courts-call-bs-on-banning-se

    • Timmr

      They have been doing a good job of that at Reason. By the way, you are a great embassador for libertarianism.
      I didn’t know The Nation had articles favorable to us. There is one journalist there, I believe it is Valenti ? that definately is not favorable. Good to know. I tend to be leftist in many things, but I hate labels, and see much of The Nation and Reason as opinion papers. I see people as being basically tolerant or or basically intolerant, but anyone can be either at different times under different circumstamces towards different groups. One should get news from differing sources.
      Good to find people from any political faction understanding of our situations.

      • David Kennerly

        Thank you Timmr!

        I am reticent to make the cause of justice about any particular political ideology, however. The way that we will defeat this terrible injustice will be by putting aside political differences and working towards its defeat. The last thing we need is a political litmus test as a precondition to contributing to this struggle. Part of the challenge we face is in seeing and identifying allies in this fight who may not always agree with us on other matters of public policy and the proper role of government. We should resist the temptation to broaden its scope beyond the boundaries which laws have defined and which strip us of our rights as citizens.

      • abolishtheregistry.com

        ‘By the way, you are a great embassador for libertarianism.’

        If there ever were an official title, he’d do well with it.

  33. j

    So it’s that time of year again.

    I got the ‘courtesy letter to remind you it’s your duty to register on your birthday and if you don’t we’ll file a criminal complaint against you’ letter last week with the number for the detective in charge to call.

    The letter also stated that she only works Mon through Thursday, 7am to 5pm. I work Mon through Thursday 5:30am to 3:30pm but with traffic don’t make it back home until after 5pm. On Fridays I get out at 12:30pm but the detective isn’t there those days.

    I called yesterday to make the appointment. Got a voicemail and the message said they only do registrations Mondays, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays. So now my options are even more limited.

    Here’s the kicker… my birthday is on the 25th. That’s a Sunday this year. If we go 5 days back and 5 days forward from that day the only days I could go in would apparently be Dec 20, 21, 26, 27, and 28. Realistically though, what are the odds you think they’ll be available on the 26th the day after Christmas? I don’t think so. So basically I’m thinking I have 4 days to choose from… whatever happened to the 10 day period?

    By the way, remember how as a kid you would anxiously wait for your birthday? Parties, gifts, cake! As an adult it’s not the same thing but it’s still special. But now this registration thing turns that on it’s head. I really doubt any of us look forward to our birthdays anymore. How’s that for ‘cruel and unusual’?

    My birthday is Christmas day. I don’t much like the holidays anymore.

    • MePas

      That sucks, J. This crap really puts a damper on one’s life, doesn’t it? I’m fortunate that my PD ‘s registering agents have been reasonable, accommodating, courteous & professional. (One birthday, the entire registering thing slipped my I mind and I was out of town on vacation. The registering officer called my cell phone, ‘said it wasn’t a problem, “Just call so-and-so when you get back to schedule an appointment.” That was it – no harassment, no threats, no verbal “scolding”.) They don’t have to be jack-holes – it’s unfortunate that so many choose to be.

    • Timmr

      Does every office make up their own rules? I assume you are in California. Noone ever sends me a reminder to register. That would be nice. I have to call every time to find what times they are available or if they are taking reservations or not. Fortunately, they are well staffed, your taxes at work. Nice photo machine and fingerprint scanner. The clerk at my last registration told me the business days included only the days the office was open to register. Therefore, since they are open M thru Th, five “days” is split over two weeks. I don’t mind the registration update, but I am self employed and can make my own hours. The compliance checks I hate. Some counties apparently don’t even do those. They should have state run registration offices, like the DMV. It is a state mandate. You don’t go register your car at the county clerk. Yes, I want them to spend more money. Do it right. Take all that money from education, health and clean water and explain to the public how registration is more important for the kids than those things.

      • wonderin

        Timmr wrote:
        “Do it right. Take all that money from education, health and clean water and explain to the public how registration is more important for the kids than those things.”
        Great sarcasm! hahaha

    • Lake County

      Just call them early, they will likely accommodate you. Business days is the days they are open. They could violate you, but I imagine the DA wouldn’t waste time charging you as tong as you stay 5 business days they are open before or after your birthday. It would be a great issue to take to a higher court for a final interpretation of business days. Lake County is very reasonable to us, so I’m lucky.

    • Harry

      The thing should do J contact a lawyer on this matter. I had situation, at the beginning of my registration, that the only officers that can do the paper work was going to be on vacation during the time I was supposed to update. I contacted the Public defender’s office and a lawyer called the PD and she told me go down to the PD office. One officer’s was there in 15 minutes and updated me. I have never and problems since. A good lawyer can break the stone setters at the PD.

  34. Robert M.

    Los Angeles Sheriff has already harassed me twice this year for “compliance checks.” They also go to my neighbors to ask about me, which I don’t think is appropriate. My neighbors still waive and say “hi.” But they probably think I’m a pervert. You know what? Who cares what they think. It’s been many years since my conviction — and I think that just shows how corrupt the L.A. Sheriff Department is.

  35. Steveo

    Have any of you read that nearly half of the child pornography sites on the internet are run by the FBI? The story is that it is about ensnaring potential pedophiles, but it would appear that it’s useful for blackmail too. There have been reports recently of other nations compromising people in our government in order to get them to do spying for them. It would make sense that our nation or even certain political parties also find something viewed so heinously as useful to either silencing, discrediting, or gaining the cooperation of people they ensnare. Julian Assange founder of Wikileaks released email information that was devastating to Hillary Clinton involving payments to her by the Saudis, and Qatar who are also (with our governments knowledge) also funding ISIS. It is no accident that they had Assange’s internet cut, accused him of working with the Russians, and guess what else was pinned on him… that he’s a pedophile… As we all know, that’s the worse name you can call someone in the world today… So I would suggest to you that it is in the best interest of parts of our government that the whole world outlaw being a sex offender. This is not a right wing / left wing thing. It’s a useful tool to get things done using spook world tactics and methods.

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